Is John Key the man to lead NZ?

[oneofsix]

What he said.
It has improved a lot in the last 10 years. I even hear they have at least 1 gun per soldier now :)
Which is why I think we need to use it more, and put more money effort into forces. To many bludgers could be learning real skills and growing up.

Heard a rumour they had even improved the guns.

[imdying]

Well I am ex military and proud of it. I am all for compulsory military training for all school leavers.I have better things to do with my time than bumble around in NZs version of Dads Army.

/edit: Or, more importantly, I'd rather see defence money spent on useful things. Like UAVs with FLIR, high res/speed video cameras, and homing torpedos, used to supplement/replace our Orion fleet. Sure there are certain aspects that are probably beyond us, but I would like to believe that we could design/build/maintain these here off our own back. We have a lot of ocean to look after.

Sure they'll take the best part of 10-20 years to develop, but our Orions will chug on a little longer, and at least we'll be in more control of our own military destiny for a change. It's a developing tech, we can then sell it on to terrorist nations like the yanks do, more export $$$$ FTW.

The NZ defence force want to pay $250 million to put a satellite into space I think I read last week, which is cool, but lets sort out some telementary for some UAVs before we do.

[shrub]

Heard a rumour they had even improved the guns.

Guns are for fun, we had rifles, real rifles not the plastic small calibre crap they use these days. The SLR was accurate, reliable, as tough as nails and delivered a 7.62mm message. Bloody heavy, and running 10ks in full kit carrying one of those puppies raised a sweat on anyone, to say nothing of holding on in present arms until the GSI decided we'd had enough.

[shrub]

I have better things to do with my time than bumble around in NZs version of Dads Army.

/edit: Or, more importantly, I'd rather see defence money spent on useful things. Like UAVs with FLIR, high res/speed video cameras, and homing torpedos, used to supplement/replace our Orion fleet. Sure there are certain aspects that are probably beyond us, but I would like to believe that we could design/build/maintain these here off our own back. We have a lot of ocean to look after.

Sure they'll take the best part of 10-20 years to develop, but our Orions will chug on a little longer, and at least we'll be in more control of our own military destiny for a change. It's a developing tech, we can then sell it on to terrorist nations like the yanks do, more export $$$$ FTW.

The NZ defence force want to pay $250 million to put a satellite into space I think I read last week, which is cool, but lets sort out some telementary for some UAVs before we do.

The Orion airframe is still plenty good enough for what we need it to do and will be fine for a long time yet. What people forget is that the Orions are simply a mechanism to carry the avionics around, so as long as we keep that up to date they're fine. Modern satellite surveillance means it's pretty well impossible for any surface vessel to sneak up on us, and our isolation means an airborne invasion would be damn near impossible to achieve without attracting a lot of attention before and after.

By far the greatest risk to our sovereignty is through our economy. Our level of indebtedness combined with our enthusiasm to sell our businesses including our power companies mean any nation who wants to take NZ over simply has to pull out the chequebook. It will cost less than a military takeover, won't result in UN sanctions etc, won't destroy infrastructure and most importantly the NZ population will be happy and compliant as long as they keep getting cheap TVs which means they will happily serve their new masters.

[imdying]

The Orion airframe is still plenty good enough for what we need it to do and will be fine for a long time yet. What people forget is that the Orions are simply a mechanism to carry the avionics around, so as long as we keep that up to date they're fine. Modern satellite surveillance means it's pretty well impossible for any surface vessel to sneak up on us, and our isolation means an airborne invasion would be damn near impossible to achieve without attracting a lot of attention before and after.Indeed, but a little hard to deliver munitions (if it ever came to that) with a satellite though (as much as I love the concept of nuke from orbit...). You can also get much better evidence (i.e. better quality video) from something that doesn't have to look through the entire atmosphere. Satellites have their uses for sure.


By far the greatest risk to our sovereignty is through our economy.I agree; I don't see our fishing grounds decreasing in value any time soon, so lets keep a close eye on those who use them. Selling some weapons along the way isn't going to do us much harm either.

[Brett]

So any US vessel, being representatives of the biggest terrorist organisation in the world, could be considered fair targets?

Hippy alert? Seriously, the US govt have done some dumb things...but a terrorist organisation they are not.

[Brett]

Heard a rumour they had even improved the guns.

They don't have "guns". They have rifles, side arms, primary and secondary weapons.

[bogan]

Specialists are far more use in modern wars than piles of grunts. Compulsory service will come at the cost of these specialists. And in the broader view, civilian specialists earn more so we can have a bigger budget. Why take a year or two from everyone? And civilian contractors like engineers (like me) are potentially specialists in both areas, I could develop some UAV shit if I had the funding (and wasn't ethically against weapons development), or earn and pay more tax, why take a year or two out of either of those?

Also, still undecided on voting, don't want to vote to sell our assets, don't want to vote to raise the minimum wage, who is left?

[avgas]

They have..... and secondary weapons.
Solar flash flares don't count.

[oneofsix]

Specialists are far more use in modern wars than piles of grunts. Compulsory service will come at the cost of these specialists. And in the broader view, civilian specialists earn more so we can have a bigger budget. Why take a year or two from everyone? And civilian contractors like engineers (like me) are potentially specialists in both areas, I could develop some UAV shit if I had the funding (and wasn't ethically against weapons development), or earn and pay more tax, why take a year or two out of either of those?

Also, still undecided on voting, don't want to vote to sell our assets, don't want to vote to raise the minimum wage, who is left?

you could vote to not spend money on roads and spend it on light rail instead, or for a racist party, or for the old folks party (it would really annoy Nat and Lab if Winny crossed the 5%).

[Scuba_Steve]

Hippy alert? Seriously, the US govt have done some dumb things...but a terrorist organisation they are not.

:killingme thats a good one, I needed a laugh, thanks :laugh:

[Swoop]

It was good, I suppose, that they found out how useless their ships were and how fantastic Exocet missiles were.
Almost the opposite. The missiles were successful because of the fucking retarded idiot Admiral (Sandy Woodward) and his decisions.
Sending a ship to the same location, to shell the same piece of farmland = easy, predictable target.

Correct tactics would have defeated Exocet, had the intelligensia the slightest clue how to run the show.


Thatcher was a war criminal for authorising the attack on the General Balgrano - in International waters...
Really a good tactical move. You are aware of the "pincer movement"?
The Brits were incredibly lucky there was ZERO wind that night.

[imdying]

:killingme thats a good one, I needed a laugh, thanks :laugh:They're not, they're a nations army. That however does not stop them from training a good percentage of the world's terrorist organisations. I can live with that, whatever, bit galling that they use our SAS to do it though.

[Robert Taylor]

Perhaps you should take a pill and calm down,

The air combat wing was disbanded on the advice of a former Nat, cabinet minister.
A Nat. cabinet minister who was right for a change. :bleh:

Im very calm, its just that I have intense hatred for Clark

[SPman]

Im very calm, its just that I have intense hatred for ClarkShe has that effect on people........

[SPman]

Hippy alert? Seriously, the US govt have done some dumb things...but a terrorist organisation they are not.Have you really taken a serious, in-depth look at what the US gov. has done /does / is responsible for, over the earth. In most instances, if it was done to them, they'd be screaming terrorist action! Psy Ops, Black Ops, Special Forces in over 60 countries around the world......let alone the open aggression on no real evidence against countries in the Middle East.......the slow but steady increase in internal repression using the Police and Homeland Security....steadily becoming the ultimate Fascist police state of the kind that they have ostensibly been "keeping the West free from" since WW2.....

They are, however, not alone in this - just the worst of the offenders.

So far, they've kept out of Syria and Somalia, but the drum is beating to attack Iran....wonder who they'll get to do their dirty work for them...probably Israel.

If they go into Iran, you can be sure Key would be right there promising NZ troops........

Sociopathic fuckhead that he is......

[Usarka]

So any US vessel, being representatives of the biggest terrorist organisation in the world, could be considered fair targets?


Now you're just being silly.

well they are the only country to have been condemed for terrorism by the world court.......

[rainman]

Im very calm, its just that I have intense hatred for Clark

"'Righteous hatred' is in the same category as 'righteous cancer' or 'righteous tuberculosis'. All of them are absurd concepts."

[Hinny]

Now you're just being silly.


Hippy alert? Seriously, the US govt have done some dumb things...but a terrorist organisation they are not.

<!--[if gte mso 9]><xml> <w:WordDocument> <w:View>Normal</w:View> <w:Zoom>0</w:Zoom> <w:DoNotOptimizeForBrowser/> </w:WordDocument> </xml><![endif]--> Not a Terrorist organisation?
Perhaps we need some definition of the word.

What is terrorism?
Originally it was actions of states – not small groups or individuals.
The French Revolution provided the first uses of the words "Terrorist" and "Terrorism".
Use of the word "terrorism" began in 1795 in reference to the Reign of Terror initiated by the Revolutionary government.
In the Modern Age, The United States Department of Defense defines terrorism as “the calculated use of unlawful violence or threat of unlawful violence to inculcate fear; intended to coerce or to intimidate governments or societies in the pursuit of goals that are generally political, religious, or ideological.”


Have the actions of the, inappropriately named, US Dept. of Defense satisfied these criteria.

Quite clearly – Yes.
(It surely should be named the US Dept. of Offense.)

Their "total war" practices have provided examples of the use of terror and violations of the law of war and these actions have severely damaged the legitimacy of international order and governments.

The subsequent desensitisation of people and communities to violence have led to acceptance of their actions as legitimate... As evidenced by the tenor of these stupid comments.

[Hinny]

Almost the opposite.

Really?
The Ships.
Superstructures made of highly flammable material.
Limited range.
Bed mattresses of PU foam - cause of most of the deaths.

Exocets.
As you say 'The missiles were successful'.
Knocked out the Sheffield even though the warhead didn't detonate.
After the Falklands War it was revealed that the British government and the Secret Intelligence Service were extremely concerned by the perceived inadequacy of the Royal Navy's anti-missile defences against Exocet missiles and their potential to tip the naval war decisively in favour of Argentine forces.

[shrub]

Im very calm, its just that I have intense hatred for Clark

I can well imagine you do, she would have threatened your beliefs and challenged everything you hold dear.

[Robert Taylor]

I can well imagine you do, she would have threatened your beliefs and challenged everything you hold dear.

Thats absolutely correct. I can remember a time when we had well bred gentlemen upstanding politicians like Keith Holyoake, John Marshall, Brian Talboys and David Thompson.

[shrub]

Thats absolutely correct. I can remember a time when we had well bred gentlemen upstanding politicians like Keith Holyoake, John Marshall, Brian Talboys and David Thompson.

I'd add Bill Rowling and Geoffrey Palmer to that list, but as they discovered, that just doesn't cut it. Phil Goff is also a hard working, honest man with a lot of integrity, but he is seen as weak. Helen Clark was tough as nails with a mind like a steel trap, and a lot of conservative men found that really frightening because it challenged the basis of their worldview - that men are the strong ones who make decisions and lead whereas women are weak and indecisive. As a result we saw almost constant personal attacks on her sexuality and her looks, yet I never once saw her respond in kind, and apart from at Waitangi I never saw her show that these attacks were having any influence on her, yet according to someone who knew her well, they did get to her. To me that is the mark of a strong leader, they don't let their feelings get in the way of what they have to do.

So why do you hate Helen Clark?

[Swoop]

Really?

After the Falklands War it was revealed that the British government and the Secret Intelligence Service were extremely concerned by the perceived inadequacy of the Royal Navy's anti-missile defences against Exocet missiles and their potential to tip the naval war decisively in favour of Argentine forces.

Yes, really.
The ships' shortcomings would not have been a problem if they were used intelligently by The Flag (Woodward).
Those ships lost during the landings were in one position and a massive target. The others lost "out at sea" were lost due to inept tactical use.

After the war, anyone could sit down with 20/20 hindsight and see faults, which they did, and then attend to them accordingly. Sea Cat went and Sea Wolf was far more popular, for example.

Sir Galahad & Sir Tristram were another classic example of poor tactics and a lack of Flag intelligence.

San Carlos landing losses would have been far less if the fucking media had been gagged during that time...


The critical point was the tactics and losses were primarily because of them.

[ellipsis]

.....The government today announced that it is changing its emblem from a Union Jack to a CONDOM because it more accurately reflects the government's political stance. A condom allows for inflation, halts production, destroys the next generation, protects a bunch of pricks, and gives you a sense of security while you're actually being screwed....

[oldrider]

Original thread question:
Is John Key the man to lead NZ?
For me personally ... "NO" ... but there is nobody else currently on offer who comes even close! :facepalm: (doesn't say much for the country IMHO)

[avgas]

"'Righteous hatred' is in the same category as 'righteous cancer' or 'righteous tuberculosis'. All of them are absurd concepts."
Not really.
1 is an emotional response. i.e. something created from nothing.
2 & 3 are effectively called "fate" - being the complete opposite of 1.

absurd concepts simply require development to complex ideas. Don't believe me - whats the fastest thing in the universe?

[Usarka]

Don't believe me - whats the fastest thing in the universe?


Ethiopian running toward a food parcel?

[Maha]

Original thread question:
Is John Key the man to lead NZ?
For me personally ... "NO" ... but there is nobody else currently on offer who comes even close! :facepalm: (doesn't say much for the country IMHO)

He must be highly thought of by Air NZ at least, they diverted a flight to NP last night to pick him up so he could rejoin the ''Bus Tour'' in Auckland today...I guess the bus drove there...:corn:

[Usarka]

He must be highly thought of by Air NZ at least, they diverted a flight to NP last night to pick him up so he could rejoin the ''Bus Tour'' in Auckland today...I guess the bus drove there...:corn:

That was strategically planned. He'll use it as justification for the <strike>presidential</strike> Prime Ministerial jet that they're planning to buy next year.

[Edbear]

I do love conspiracy theories. He just happened to be one of the stranded passengers that were collected. The plane would have diverted anyway whether he was there or not.

[Brian d marge]

has anyone answered the original question.......

No... is my answer


Stephen

[superman]

I do love conspiracy theories. He just happened to be one of the stranded passengers that were collected. The plane would have diverted anyway whether he was there or not.

People like reading sensationalist headlines and not going near the actual article. :brick:

Goff sure has explaining to do about his Police recruitment outbursts...

[superman]

has anyone answered the original question.......

No... is my answer

Stephen

Better than anyone else running is my answer. :yes:

[bogan]

Original thread question:
Is John Key the man to lead NZ?
For me personally ... "NO" ... but there is nobody else currently on offer who comes even close! :facepalm: (doesn't say much for the country IMHO)

Exactly, my choice this year was based on who will do the least damage. And my conclusion is to split the vote to even out the failing I perceive in the different parties. Strangely enough, after splitting my vote, I'll be going for STV to replace MMP as well.

[MisterD]

has anyone answered the original question.......

No... is my answer



On the basis that over half the population appear to say he's their preferred option, the answer would have to be 'yes', wouldn't it? S'called democracy.

Be thankful you're not Greek or Italian with EU-installed puppet regimes.

[Scuba_Steve]

I would say No, no-one from any of the "major" parties are "the man" to lead NZ, which is exactly why I'm voting a "minor" party :yes:

[Usarka]

Sue Bradford is the man....

[Robert Taylor]

I'd add Bill Rowling and Geoffrey Palmer to that list, but as they discovered, that just doesn't cut it. Phil Goff is also a hard working, honest man with a lot of integrity, but he is seen as weak. Helen Clark was tough as nails with a mind like a steel trap, and a lot of conservative men found that really frightening because it challenged the basis of their worldview - that men are the strong ones who make decisions and lead whereas women are weak and indecisive. As a result we saw almost constant personal attacks on her sexuality and her looks, yet I never once saw her respond in kind, and apart from at Waitangi I never saw her show that these attacks were having any influence on her, yet according to someone who knew her well, they did get to her. To me that is the mark of a strong leader, they don't let their feelings get in the way of what they have to do.

So why do you hate Helen Clark?

Simple, what she stood for on a lot of issues and how she ( ? ) went about it. Her dismantling of the Air Combat Wing was also extremely callous and calculated by also getting rid of the long established infrastructure. Total destruction.

I agrre with respect to Bill Rowling and Geoffrey Plamer, Mike Moore and perhaps Hugh Watt can be added to that list

[Robert Taylor]

Yes, really.
The ships' shortcomings would not have been a problem if they were used intelligently by The Flag (Woodward).
Those ships lost during the landings were in one position and a massive target. The others lost "out at sea" were lost due to inept tactical use.

After the war, anyone could sit down with 20/20 hindsight and see faults, which they did, and then attend to them accordingly. Sea Cat went and Sea Wolf was far more popular, for example.

Sir Galahad & Sir Tristram were another classic example of poor tactics and a lack of Flag intelligence.

San Carlos landing losses would have been far less if the fucking media had been gagged during that time...


The critical point was the tactics and losses were primarily because of them.

Exocet missiles were ''hit and miss'' with respect to their reliability, thats just as well. In fairness the Argie pilots who did the low level raids gave a good account of themselves

[Robert Taylor]

I do love conspiracy theories. He just happened to be one of the stranded passengers that were collected. The plane would have diverted anyway whether he was there or not.

Goff is clutching at as many straws as he can, assisted by the left wing media

[Edbear]

Goff is clutching at as many straws as he can, assisted by the left wing media

I think the media feel a bit sorry for him... Of course it may smply be a way to hike ratings... :shutup:

I do have to laugh, (cynically!), at the blatanly obvious way the media sensationalise the headlines irrespective of fact in order to promote their channel!

And the way their reporters pursue those involved like rabid dogs. No wonder there is an inquiry in the UK learning just how criminal the media have been in their blind, singleminded drive to get the best ratings and how they use suffering, and even cause suffering in order to get "the story"!

Even after it was clearly corrected by the Minister of Police, the media still promoted the issue of whether there was a halt on recruitment as though it was a new charge in order to promote their upcoming news. Never let the facts get in the way of a good story, eh? :yes:

[shrub]

Simple, what she stood for on a lot of issues and how she ( ? ) went about it. Her dismantling of the Air Combat Wing was also extremely callous and calculated by also getting rid of the long established infrastructure. Total destruction.

Interesting. So your hatred is based on her engaging in a cost cutting measure where she transferred the resources from a division ion a government department that was costing a shitload and contributing nothing to the economy to other sectors within the same entity. Would you have been as angry if she had closed down the Ministry of Maori Affairs and transferred the staff and resources the ministry of social development?

Mate, I loved the old A4s as much as anyone, and i would have loved to watch the F16s at air shows and shit, but they had never been needed - not even in the Vietnam war, and haven't been needed since or in the predictable future. They were designed for the Korean war and based on WW2 military thinking. A modern strike force is only ever likely to be needed in Europe or central Asia, and even then it's very unlikely. In the incredibly unlikely chance of us getting attacked by any military force, a dozen aging fighters would last about an hour.

You allow your emotions to rule you too much mate.

[avgas]

Ethiopian running toward a food parcel?
Nah according "the gods must be crazy" is a 4wd winching itself up a tree.

[avgas]

has anyone answered the original question.......

No... is my answer


Stephen
My answer is also no. But then again - I don't like anyone else either.
Can you be my prime minister?

[jasonu]

Thats absolutely correct. I can remember a time when we had well bred gentlemen upstanding politicians like Keith Holyoake, John Marshall, Brian Talboys and David Thompson.

It wasn't that long ago...

[SPman]

Thats absolutely correct. I can remember a time when we had well bred gentlemen upstanding politicians like Keith Holyoake, John Marshall, Brian Talboys and David Thompson.Ah yes - "Gentleman Jack" Marshall, who was as adept at knifing rivals in the back as any politician we've ever had......Brian the Talboy wonder,..... that smarmy bastard Keith Holyoake - and we think Key crawls up the US arse.......yes, they were upstanding politicians, because they knew how to "play the game" according to the old boys club rulebook - keep their dirtywork out of the public eye and smile benignly while they did it.......but they were of a different era and played by the rules and ethos of that era, an era of generally full employment and a more cohesive, egalitarian society.
However, times move on........

[Edbear]

Nah according "the gods must be crazy" is a 4wd winching itself up a tree.

Loved that movie!

[SPman]

Really?
The Ships.
Superstructures made of highly flammable material.
Limited range.
Bed mattresses of PU foam - cause of most of the deaths.

Don't forget the man-made fibres, the uniforms were made of......melted and stuck to the flesh very efficiently! - but - they were cheaper than the cotton/woolen/natural fibre, fire semi resistant uniforms that we wore.....

[Hinny]

So why do you hate Helen Clark?


Simple, what she stood for on a lot of issues and how she ( ? ) went about it. Her dismantling of the Air Combat Wing was also extremely callous and calculated by also getting rid of the long established infrastructure. Total destruction.


I'm interested in an answer to that question as well.
The only one I have heard from you seems rather bizarre when you consider: it was a former Nat. cabinet minister that recommended it and as a few earlier intelligent, well-researched posts pointed out; it was the right thing to do.

[Brian d marge]

My answer is also no. But then again - I don't like anyone else either.
Can you be my prime minister?
yup no problem

my agenda

all tax of single malt oh and subsidized for the over 40s progressively until the pine box

All fresh fruit and vegetables , esp green leafy one , heavily subsidized

beer , Micro brewery given tax cuts and lots of leeway , until able to export on own merit ...

education, free for all essential services , engineers , nurses , provided they stay in nz

No Old people , they smell and dress funny and don't laugh at my Jokes

No fat wimmin EVER , Lesbians are ok. Lesbian twins are given a cabinet post ( at least once )

Cars banned, , except cars I like .... Morgan three wheelers , and robin reliants

Acc, as it was

State support for the poor , providing they pass a ( high ) minimum level of education and/ or are receiving treatment ,,,,,,

All members on strictly come dancing , short-land street , and the last seven days , that inane news quiz , shall be shot. period no questions , no whining

no one shall work over 6 hours a day , unless they can prove they actually love their Job ( don't laugh it does happen) ......


No rego and no WOF , ( though stupid peoples cars will be crushed , if it has been modified by a idiot , cut down springs etc .... fluffy dice , or a Nissan in any shape or form ...it will be crushed l, Hillman hunters are cool so will be the preferred choice of my cabinet !)


drugs, good drugs are fine , bad JuJu drugs not cool , see above about state support


NSU , quicklys shall be the preferred choice of the police department for high way patrol , and the buffer zone shall be raised from a 4 kph limit to , at least 170 kph plus or minus a few hundred


That should do it

Stephen , The Future , together !

[SPman]

Micro brewery given tax cuts and lots of leeway , until able to export on own merit ... If it's just merit they need, they've got plenty of that, already. NZ MB beer is most of what I buy, these days....

[Brian d marge]

If it's just merit they need, they've got plenty of that, already. NZ MB beer is most of what I buy, these days....
good man , good man , you do realize ( with the American "Z" ) that vote rigging is also on my agenda , just pm me your details to receive a vote swinging surprise !

Lets see one voe , plus the other votes equals eeermmm 2 ,,,pause for effect ,.... votes , so that makes me , from Mr Brian , to His esteemed Brian , ,,,another few votes and I will be Lord Brian

Awesome ( sp) ,,awesum

Stephen akb Brian ...lord

[Maha]

I think I found Wally...hes running for Act in Epson.

[Berries]

Isn't it illegal to talk about politics on the day of the election? In the electronic age that must mean it is illegal to post or read about the matter on forums.

Can all the threads now be deleted?

[Maha]

Isn't it illegal to talk about politics on the day of the election? In the electronic age that must mean it is illegal to post or read about the matter on forums.

Can all the threads now be deleted?

Will have to put that to a vote.

[Robert Taylor]

Interesting. So your hatred is based on her engaging in a cost cutting measure where she transferred the resources from a division ion a government department that was costing a shitload and contributing nothing to the economy to other sectors within the same entity. Would you have been as angry if she had closed down the Ministry of Maori Affairs and transferred the staff and resources the ministry of social development?

Mate, I loved the old A4s as much as anyone, and i would have loved to watch the F16s at air shows and shit, but they had never been needed - not even in the Vietnam war, and haven't been needed since or in the predictable future. They were designed for the Korean war and based on WW2 military thinking. A modern strike force is only ever likely to be needed in Europe or central Asia, and even then it's very unlikely. In the incredibly unlikely chance of us getting attacked by any military force, a dozen aging fighters would last about an hour.

You allow your emotions to rule you too much mate.

If in the future you are proven wrong I will have no hesitation in reminding you!

[Robert Taylor]

Ah yes - "Gentleman Jack" Marshall, who was as adept at knifing rivals in the back as any politician we've ever had......Brian the Talboy wonder,..... that smarmy bastard Keith Holyoake - and we think Key crawls up the US arse.......yes, they were upstanding politicians, because they knew how to "play the game" according to the old boys club rulebook - keep their dirtywork out of the public eye and smile benignly while they did it.......but they were of a different era and played by the rules and ethos of that era, an era of generally full employment and a more cohesive, egalitarian society.
However, times move on........

Yes, the predictable rebuttal from the left. A lot of these guys were ex servicemen who fought for their country in WW2. I think that helped make them such good MPs.

[Robert Taylor]

Don't forget the man-made fibres, the uniforms were made of......melted and stuck to the flesh very efficiently! - but - they were cheaper than the cotton/woolen/natural fibre, fire semi resistant uniforms that we wore.....

Likely all commissioned during Wilsons / Callaghans disastrous last watch.

[Robert Taylor]

I'm interested in an answer to that question as well.
The only one I have heard from you seems rather bizarre when you consider: it was a former Nat. cabinet minister that recommended it and as a few earlier intelligent, well-researched posts pointed out; it was the right thing to do.

Ummm, how many former National cabinet ministers? One or the whole lot? Doesnt sound like there was a consensus beyond one rotten apple.
Does the left have an exclusive on intelligence?

[Robert Taylor]

I think I found Wally...hes running for Act in Epson.

Auckland had a good mayor, now they havent.

[Maha]

Auckland had a good mayor, now they havent.

Some do outstay thier term..Sean Fitzpatrick did by two years in my opinion.

[short-circuit]

Does the left have an exclusive on intelligence?

Yes we do have a monopoly on intelligence (and proper england too)

[Robert Taylor]

Yes we do have a monopoly on intelligence (and proper england too)

Explain why then the most intellectual and learned MP in the Britsish parliament in the last century was firmly of right wing persuasion?

[Robert Taylor]

Some do outstay thier term..Sean Fitzpatrick did by two years in my opinion.

And Helen Clark by 9 years!!!

[Hinny]

Does the left have an exclusive on intelligence?

From reading KB; it would appear so. :yes:

[Hinny]

Explain why then the most intellectual and learned MP in the Britsish parliament in the last century was firmly of right wing persuasion?
You talking about the War Criminal Tony Blair?
Right wing Labour leader. - sunk the boat.
You can't be talking about the cock-head Cameron so you must be talking about the grocer's daughter. :yawn:

[Robert Taylor]

You talking about the War Criminal Tony Blair?
Right wing Labour leader. - sunk the boat.
You can't be talking about the cock-head Cameron so you must be talking about the grocer's daughter. :yawn:

Wrong on all counts, back to the startline.

[Hinny]

Still awaiting your answers to previous questions.
Here's another to ponder.
Is Jonkey a Bush Baby or a Cock-head Cameron Curmudgeon?

[Hinny]

Explain why then the most intellectual and learned MP in the Britsish parliament in the last century, firmly of right wing persuasion, was still a plonker?

Arrrgghh - Dunno.

[avgas]

Is the cuntry fixed yet?

[Robert Taylor]

Arrrgghh - Dunno.

Well you better start reading then, your history seems to be a bit blinkered and lacking

[Robert Taylor]

Arrrgghh - Dunno.

Changing the wording of my post is about as despicable as Sue Bradfords accusations re Key last night. Certainly the left seems to be a lot less ethical with their tactics.

[Winston001]

You talking about the War Criminal Tony Blair?
Right wing Labour leader. - sunk the boat.
You can't be talking about the cock-head Cameron so you must be talking about the grocer's daughter. :yawn:

Enoch Powell.


The recent riots in Britain are viewed by commentators as validation of Powell's Rivers of Blood speech in 1968. His argument was that Britain faced grave social unrest and the unravelling of civil society because of the huge numbers of immigrants from the colonies. Pakistan, India, the Caribbean, various African countries.

He was a complex highly educated British Member of Parliament, intellectually far beyond the average politician. Unfortunately for him he was tagged as a racist (because that's an easy label) and the substance of anything he had thereafter was filtered through that public perception.

Our own example (from the other end of the spectrum) is John Minto. He forever carries the Mark of Caine from the 1981 Springbok Tour campaign. Today if John Minto engages in public political action he is despised even if he may well be making a valid point.

[Hinny]

Changing the wording of my post is about as despicable as Sue Bradfords accusations re Key last night. Certainly the left seems to be a lot less ethical with their tactics.
Yeahm nah, ... look this is about humour.
Sue Bradford being the realist and arguably the most successful politician of the modern era was being sincere, truthful and accurate.
Before you attack my comments on her success you may recall that during the last election Jonkey was claiming they were early and strong supporters of her 'anti-bashing and getting away with it ' bill. She introduced three bills to parliament which were accepted and became laws. This in one term.
How many has Jonkey introduced in his first three terms - One. And wasn't that a Green's initiative? They certainly worked on it.

[Robert Taylor]

Yeahm nah, ... look this is about humour.
Sue Bradford being the realist and arguably the most successful politician of the modern era was being sincere, truthful and accurate.
Before you attack my comments on her success you may recall that during the last election Jonkey was claiming they were early and strong supporters of her 'anti-bashing and getting away with it ' bill. She introduced three bills to parliament which were accepted and became laws. This in one term.
How many has Jonkey introduced in his first three terms - One. And wasn't that a Green's initiative? They certainly worked on it.

I see that is was more of a tradeoff for Labour to stay in power.

I dont see it as humour changing the wording of peoples posts, that is crossing an unacceptable line of etiquette.

[SPman]

Enoch Powell.


The recent riots in Britain are viewed by commentators as validation of Powell's Rivers of Blood speech in 1968. His argument was that Britain faced grave social unrest and the unravelling of civil society because of the huge numbers of immigrants from the colonies. Pakistan, India, the Caribbean, various African countries.

He was a complex highly educated British Member of Parliament, intellectually far beyond the average politician. Unfortunately for him he was tagged as a racist (because that's an easy label) and the substance of anything he had thereafter was filtered through that public perception.

Our own example (from the other end of the spectrum) is John Minto. He forever carries the Mark of Caine from the 1981 Springbok Tour campaign. Today if John Minto engages in public political action he is despised even if he may well be making a valid point.Yep - you don't need to be either right or left, to be able to see what's coming - just astute and well versed on world politics and history, - Enoch was a good example of that.

Anyway, back to the question - looks like Jonkey is the man to lead NZ whether many want him to or not.

[Maha]

And Helen Clark by 9 years!!!

Weird....I always thoughts its name was Alan?....

[Virago]

Weird....I always thoughts its name was Alan?....

No, that's not Alan, it's Steve...

[avgas]

Sue Bradford being the realist and arguably the most successful politician of the modern era was being sincere, truthful and accurate.
Define modern.
Using your theory Hitler, Stalin and Mao could also fall into the same category. Is that good?
Not to mention imagine what would happen if NZ first had decent footing in NZ.....imagine the consequences.

I used to vote greens. Bradford reminded me why I shouldn't.

[Brian d marge]

oh dear........ the great unwashed have spoken.........

still, on the bright side..... one doesn't have to live there

[pete376403]

On the bright(er) side, John Banks won't be dragging anyone in on his coat tails

[Berries]

Is John Key the man to lead NZ?
I don't really follow politics, but from the five minutes I just saw on TV the answer is yes.

[rainman]

still, on the bright side..... one doesn't have to live there

No doubt another 100,000 or so will figure that out in the next few years.

[SPman]

oh dear........ the great unwashed have spoken.........

still, on the bright side..... one doesn't have to live there True, looks like there'll be no incentive to return, for at least another 3 yrs , either.....I'll wait until the exchange rate hits $1.50.....

[mashman]

No doubt another 100,000 or so will figure that out in the next few years.

until they all return expecting the pension that they're entitled to.

[Pussy]

I'm rapt with tonight's result! :D

[scott411]

oh dear........ the great unwashed have spoken.........

still, on the bright side..... one doesn't have to live there


So are you saying democracy is only any good when you agree with who won? and if they do not vote the same way you would they are to be made fun of?

[Brian d marge]

So are you saying democracy is only any good when you agree with who won? and if they do not vote the same way you would they are to be made fun of?
yes

Next question


The great unwashed also bring us dancing with the stars , .....shortland street , and many other classics


Stephen

[scott411]

yes

Next question


The great unwashed also bring us dancing with the stars , .....shortland street , and many other classics


Stephen

and your solution is?
this holds true for me,

It has been said that democracy is the worst form of government except all the others that have been tried.
Winston Churchill

[Brian d marge]

and your solution is?
this holds true for me,

It has been said that democracy is the worst form of government except all the others that have been tried.
Winston Churchill

Sterilization and me being the Father of a new generation


On a serious note have stated my solution, many times before ,

in a nut shell , It doesn't matter what package you call it , democracy , Marxism when the checks and balances go out of whack , usually through greed , the "social Contract " as Rousseau put it will be broken, as Churchill pointed out

In our case , hang on Ill cut and paste from my web blog thingy , tis easier we dont need to reinvent the wheel , of even vote labour , just keep the lying toe-rags honest and the IMF out .....

What should we do from Prof Jane Kelsey's book;

Take economic fundamentalism seriously ..
* Nip it in the bud ..
* Be skeptical about fiscal and other "crises" ..
* Watch for the blitzkrieg ...
* Remember, the conservatives are not always the worst ..
* Take economics seriously ..
* Expose the illogic of their theory ..
* Evaluate the arguments carefully ..
* Challenge hypocrisy ..
* Expose 'stacking of the deck' .. ( I am not sure what this is )
* Maximize every political obstacle ..
* Maintain a strong civil society and popular sector ..
* Work hard to maintain solidarity ..
* Do not compromise the labour movement ..
* Employ the politics of political embarrasment ..
* Reinforce the concept of an independant public service ..
* Encourage community leaders to speak out ..
* Avoid anti-intellectualism ..
* Establish well-resourced critical think-tanks ..
* Develop alternative media outlets ..
* Raise the levels of popular economic literacy ..
* Educate popular and sectoral groups in advance ..
* Resist 'market-speak' ..
* Be realistic and avoid nostalgia ..
* Be pro-active and develop real alternatives ..
* Re-think identity and alliances ..
Challenge the TINA ( there is no alternative ) syndrome .. ( again not I am not sure )
* Promote informed debate and critique ..
* Promote participatory democracy ..
* Embrace the Treaty of Waitangi as a liberating force ..
* Encourage progressive counter-nationalism ..
* Develop multi-level strategies ..
* Hold the line ..
* Localise politics ..
* Ginger up party politics ..
* Invest in the future ..
* Support those who speak out ..
* Promote ethical investment ..
* Think global, act local ..
* Think local, act global ..

Oh and reduce debt as much as possible or borrow locally so the money stays locall

wear Sandals,

Stephen

[scott411]

thats a nice list, most which should be done now, but how would you pick your goverment or leaders?

[Robert Taylor]

I am of course personally delighted that the left wing parties didnt ''win''. Thats in inverted commas because whoever governs in this environment has very much drawn a short straw, and people who want government help for this and that need to take a reality check, there is none!
Im especially happy with the result in my own electorate where Jonathan Young absolutely smashed Andrew Little, the union short a..e still of course gets into Parliament because of being so high on Labours list and because of mmp. That sucks.
But its the same old same old, the mix may change a little but over the last few decades approximately half of NZ have been instinctively right wing voters and the other half left wing.

[shrub]

I don't really follow politics, but from the five minutes I just saw on TV the answer is yes.

that was always going to happen, I reckon the only way National would have lost is if Key had come out as a crack dealing homosexual who beat his mother up and supported the Wallabies. We have another 3 years of weak and inept leadership right when we need courage and wisdom.

Fuck we're stupid.

[BoristheBiter]

that was always going to happen, I reckon the only way National would have lost is if Key had come out as a crack dealing homosexual who beat his mother up and supported the Wallabies. We have another 3 years of weak and inept leadership right when we need courage and wisdom.

Fuck we're stupid.

Your too hard on yourself, I would have said slightly dim.

[BoristheBiter]

I actually this was the more important question.

http://www.electionresults.govt.nz/referendum.html

It shows that most are divided over this and I thought the most surprising was that if it did change that most want it to go back to FPP.

I guess that was just because it was top on the list.

[short-circuit]

that was always going to happen, I reckon the only way National would have lost is if Key had come out as a crack dealing homosexual who beat his mother up and supported the Wallabies. We have another 3 years of weak and inept leadership right when we need courage and wisdom.

Fuck we're stupid.

http://i795.photobucket.com/albums/yy239/blkst3/nzfails.png

Imagine electing a right wing government in a recession...they even forewarned us of the rogering we are about to receive

[BoristheBiter]

Imagine electing a right wing government in a recession...they even forewarned us of the rogering we are about to receive

Better than a left wing one ever.

[shrub]

Your too hard on yourself, I would have said slightly dim.

I'm not sure, I think we're still pretty stupid as a whole. On the clever side of the ledger we didn't give Act enough party votes to bring more than Banksy in, but the fine people of Epsom voted in a chimpanzee, so that kind of cancels that out. We also voted National back despite them having achieved almost nothing substantive in the last 3 years beyond doubling our sovereign debt. Their only answers to repaying that debt and "building a brighter future" is selling a number of assets, a strategy that makes almost no economic sense, combined with nebulous promises of "cutting government expenditure", another strategy that makes no economic sense.

What makes us stupid for voting them in is the fact that most of us don't want those assets sold and nobody has bothered asking how they're going to cut government expenditure. If John Key says "we will balance the books by 2014", we just accept he will, even though he has doubled our debt since 2008 and has no real plan to do said balancing act.

If I said "I will win the Isle of Mann in 2014, support me please" anyone with a brain would laugh and ask what i'd been smoking because at best I'm a mediocre rider with a slow bike, and I have no intentions of getting anything faster or likelihood of riding any better. A stupid person would say "sweet, here's $100,000 of sponsorship money".

[short-circuit]

Better than a left wing one ever.

That remains to be seen - despite claims to the contrary we've never even a centre-left government here.

[Flip]

Yesterdays Presidential election was not really that interesting IMHO. When do we get to vote for our goverment?

Oh fucking great another 3 years Nick (lets sell ACC) Smith and Jerry (Fletchers monopoly) Brownly. The only winners from this election will be the BRT. The 1% thank the peasants of New Zealand for giving more power to the people in power.

[avgas]

and your solution is?
How about voting for ideas rather than people or lies?
Do we really need a "representative"..........according to this thread. No.

[mashman]

How about voting for ideas rather than people or lies?
Do we really need a "representative"..........according to this thread. No.

Nope, sorry, we'll be having none of that voting for ideas nonsense, get out and never come back again... next you be telling us we don't need a representative... holy mother of god you didn't :shit:

[Ocean1]

most of us don't want those assets sold

You're right, but I think you've misread the motive.

What does it say about how much we valued the alternative policy sets on offer?

[rainman]

I thought the most surprising was that if it did change that most want it to go back to FPP.

I guess that was just because it was top on the list.

I think it was also tactical; if the vote was for change, better MMP lost to something it could easily beat.


I'm not sure, I think we're still pretty stupid as a whole. On the clever side of the ledger we didn't give Act enough party votes to bring more than Banksy in, but the fine people of Epsom voted in a chimpanzee, so that kind of cancels that out. We also voted National back despite them having achieved almost nothing substantive in the last 3 years beyond doubling our sovereign debt. Their only answers to repaying that debt and "building a brighter future" is selling a number of assets, a strategy that makes almost no economic sense, combined with nebulous promises of "cutting government expenditure", another strategy that makes no economic sense.

What makes us stupid for voting them in is the fact that most of us don't want those assets sold and nobody has bothered asking how they're going to cut government expenditure. If John Key says "we will balance the books by 2014", we just accept he will, even though he has doubled our debt since 2008 and has no real plan to do said balancing act.

But he's that nice Mr Key and he was an investment wanker... surely he will manage the economy better? :sick:

The simple truth is 90% of NZ can't understand the various parties' plans and assess how realistic they are, and what they will cost financially and socially.

The Epsom thing pisses me off. Labour and the Greens shouldn't have even stood candidates, and the voters there who voted for them are morons. I wonder what they thought they were going to achieve? Had their vote gone to Goldsmith we could be rid of Act, finally. Ditto the Greens in Ohariu, although that's tougher, as Dunne, for all his weaknesses, is a worthier candidate than Banks.

Still, good result for the Greens. And as this is Kiwibiker, particular congratulations to Dave Clendon!

[Pussy]

Democracy is great, eh?
The majority of voting New Zealanders got the result they wanted. :yes:

[Headbanger]

The simple truth is 90% of NZ can't understand the various parties' plans and assess how realistic they are, and what they will cost financially and socially.



And 10% are delusional enough to think only they have the ability to comprehend the world around them, and the world can only be saved from its own stupidity if everyone else was exactly like them......

[SMOKEU]

Thanks to JK the fate of NZ is now sealed. The country is fucked.

[rainman]

Democracy is great, eh?
The majority of voting New Zealanders got the result they wanted. :yes:

Well, as the old saying goes, it beats the alternatives, and yes, I do think the result reflects the wishes of the nation, even if I don't agree with many of them.


And 10% are delusional enough to think only they have the ability to comprehend the world around them, and the world can only be saved from its own stupidity if everyone else was exactly like them......

I certainly don't want everyone else to be like me, hell no. But I've met enough apathetic dumbfucks in NZ to stick to my view that thinking ain't the national sport, and usually, based on experience, these people are conservative/right-wing. (Probably true in most places, to be fair, but this is where I live). There are smart righties and dumb lefties too - a good few in Epsom, f'rinstance - just not as many.

I make no apologies for being intelligent, passionate, opinionated and well-informed. Not everyone can be as awesome as me. :)

[Spearfish]

That remains to be seen - despite claims to the contrary we've never even a centre-left government here.

I thought the unemployed artists benefit labour introduced went some way to addressing the problem of not enough benefits or left wing leanings.

I think true left wing policies should include limiting CC ratings on bikes to say 600 CC and passing the expense of anything over that to those who don't have anything that big.
The top percenters who have worked hard and earned the money, not to mention the process of learning to ride and look after the machine are "rich pricks" in the left wing wealth redistribution model so they are to be punished! the bastards!

(insert a, fucken sarcastic, smiley here)

[shrub]

I think it was also tactical; if the vote was for change, better MMP lost to something it could easily beat.

No, I think it was more a case of FPP being at the top of the list and not many people understanding any other options. Also even if you voted to keep MMP you were asked to vote for an alternative.



But he's that nice Mr Key and he was an investment wanker... surely he will manage the economy better? :sick:

The simple truth is 90% of NZ can't understand the various parties' plans and assess how realistic they are, and what they will cost financially and socially.

The Epsom thing pisses me off. Labour and the Greens shouldn't have even stood candidates, and the voters there who voted for them are morons. I wonder what they thought they were going to achieve? Had their vote gone to Goldsmith we could be rid of Act, finally. Ditto the Greens in Ohariu, although that's tougher, as Dunne, for all his weaknesses, is a worthier candidate than Banks.

Still, good result for the Greens. And as this is Kiwibiker, particular congratulations to Dave Clendon!

Pretty well on the money and Dave will be well pleased. He's a pretty smart guy as well as being a passionate biker (GSX1400).

[rainman]

Dave will be well pleased. He's a pretty smart guy as well as being a passionate biker (GSX1400).

Has he upgraded? I thought he rode an SV thou. Actually, would that even be an upgrade? :devil2:

[shrub]

Has he upgraded? I thought he rode an SV thou. Actually, would that even be an upgrade? :devil2:

yeah, he's had the GSX for a while. I rate them, I had a play on one a couple of years ago, and they're kind of big and dumb but fuck they haul ass.

[Swoop]

... look this is about humour.
Sue Bradford being the realist and arguably the most successful politician of the modern era was being sincere, truthful and accurate.
That post really should be in "jokes and humour". sue badford??:facepalm:

...if Key had come out as a crack dealing homosexual who beat his mother up and supported the Wallabies.
He would then be much more suited to representing labour. Who is in the running for the new labour leader? Shane "have a wank on the taxpayer's money" Jones?
I guess Tuesday will be interesting.

I actually this was the more important question.
It shows that most are divided over this and I thought the most surprising was that if it did change that most want it to go back to FPP.
No, this shows kiwis are politically stupid and fail to think for themselves when it comes to technical issues such as an electoral system.:facepalm::facepalm:

If I said "I will win the Isle of Mann in 2014, support me please" anyone with a brain would laugh and ask"...
Where exactly the "Isle of Mann" is located.

[BoristheBiter]

No, this shows kiwis are politically stupid and fail to think for themselves when it comes to technical issues such as an electoral system.:facepalm::facepalm:
.

Yeah that to.

[SPman]

Better than a left wing one ever. A rogering is a rogering - whoever is doing it.......you still end up fucked!
What does it say about how much we valued the alternative policy sets on offer? Did most people even look at what was on offer?.....

[BMWST?]

Thats absolutely correct. I can remember a time when we had well bred gentlemen upstanding politicians like Keith Holyoake, John Marshall, Brian Talboys and David Thompson.

and subsidies and import licenses and 6 oclock closing..were they a good thing?.

[FJRider]

... and 6 oclock closing..were they a good thing?.

It got MOST of the drunks OFF the roads ... earlier ...

[BMWST?]

No, I think it was more a case of FPP being at the top of the list and not many people understanding any other options. Also even if you voted to keep MMP you were asked to vote for an alternative.





it was quite clear on my paper that you could vote for either part a or part b..you didnt have to vote for an alternative at all.Nor did you have to vote for or against mmp

[Ocean1]

Did most people even look at what was on offer?.....

They can't have done, or they'd have voted they way you did, eh?

Fuck they're stupid.

[scumdog]

Im pissed off this shit has become an election issue.

Im ignoring it, I don't give a shit whats on the tape.

Me too.

Just a media beat-up imho.

[scumdog]

Read the "elections" part on this site:

http://rwrnz.blogspot.com/

People like John Key are race traitors, and it's because of people like him that the white race is slowly dying off day by day. NZ is becoming infested by immigrants, and state assets are being sold off more and more often. NZ is going to be a third world slum in a few decades if JK has his way. Never vote for a Jewish PM.

Are you REALLY a fuckwit?:crazy:

Or just REALLY good at pretending to be one??:rolleyes:

[scumdog]

How come all the self-proclaimed smart-cunts here on KB ain't running the country???:blink:

Plurry 'Monday-morning-quarter-backs' that's why.

[Qkkid]

How come all the self-proclaimed smart-cunts here on KB ain't running the country???:blink:

Plurry 'Monday-morning-quarter-backs' that's why.

:shifty: They are all probably to busy running from the law:wings:

[Qkkid]

He’s a cracker bloke with a hot missus, a great smile and he made a shitload of money as a currency trader (those people we used to call yuppies). And best of all, he drinks beer from the bottle, so he’s almost the perfect Prime Minister. Almost.

Then came Cuppagate. He wanted to let John Banks show him how much he loves him (but only in a very manly and heterosexual way) and to tell the good people of Epsom that it’s OK for them to vote for good old Banksy, so a cuppa tea was set up. They invited EVERYONE in the media along to watch, and made sure they were sitting by the window so people could see how close they were (again, in a very manly way).

And that’s where clever stopped.

They had a big media audience, and the media are well known for looking for vulnerabilities, so they should have made sure they said NOTHING that could be taken out of context. They should have discussed the weather, the RWC and how important it is to have National back in government, that way if (inevitably) some scurrilous journo had taped the chat, a lip reader by the window had written down what they said or a cafe staff member had listened; nobody would care.

Then the word came out that a tape had been made. If they had chatted about the weather and how good National are, Key could have said “go ahead, publish it. I’m all about honesty and transparency” and that would have been it. But he hasn’t. He has tried to shut it up and make it go away by painting it as a News of the World paparazzi stunt that will lead to no privacy for anyone. He has tried changing the subject, walking out on a press conference and even calling in the cops - in Winston speak, he has lost his his rag. That suggests to a cynical old fuck such as myself that he can’t afford to let anyone know what he and Banksy said.

Aside from the morality of taping conversations, which I don’t have a problem with given it was a media stunt with a highly public setting, he has shown a massive lack of judgement in what he said and how he handled it. He has lost control of the situation and now the media are focussing on him ducking and diving, not on his policies. He is coming across as arrogant and even a bully, not as the strong, decisive and intelligent leader with a vision for the future that NZ needs right now. And he has attacked the media and their freedom to operate, and as Mark Twain once said, "never pick a fight with a man who buys ink by the barrel" because they can make his next 3 years hard for him.

NZ is facing an increasingly difficult period, so can we afford a PM who may be slick and smart, but lacks judgement and the ability to handle a crisis under pressure?

:motu:Probably a labour voter
Its the principle of the fact you let one media outlet do shit or stunts like this you set a standard/president, i think irregardless of the situation John Key did the right thing. Otherwise you end up with shite like whats going on overseas with the media and papers trying to get away with blue murder.

[rainman]

How come all the self-proclaimed smart-cunts here on KB ain't running the country???

Beats me, several here could do a better job than the incumbent.

[FJRider]

How come all the self-proclaimed smart-cunts here on KB ain't running the country???:blink:

Plurry 'Monday-morning-quarter-backs' that's why.

Vote Skidmark for Prime Minister ...


Nah ... doesn't have the ring to it ... :(

[Hinny]

I wonder who came up with the idea to sell state assets.
It would appear it was someone who clearly is not working for the benefit of New Zealand.
On the figures given to the media these assets are returning around 17%.
Does that point escape most people?
Instead of selling assets like that, to my way of thinking, they should be borrowing money to buy more assets that can return 17%
If they are paying 4% for their money and making a 13% profit from the investment it would pay itself off in.....years? Can't find my financial calculator at the moment.
That would be the way to reduce debt.
Have these money making assets pay it off.
Simple.

They don't advocate selling off assets that aren't so profitable.
Demonstrate their oft quoted idea, that Private Enterprise can run businesses better than the government.
Why?... because it is an fallacious mantra.
In KB speak...it is Bullshit!

[Brian d marge]

thats a nice list, most which should be done now, but how would you pick your goverment or leaders?
Same way , cept they cant play with the toys ;
As Ive said many times , it aint the leader its the outside influences , where the leaders come into play, is when balls are needed to say NO to the Americans ...Internet piracy anyone ?
leaders can just be figure heads , as can parties , but the core assets and department should remain , independent and under a state ( people ) mandate

Jk can then do what the hell he likes , but health , education and infrastructure , are run by the men from the ministry , ( no not SOE , thats a tax dodge, ) more like an SOE , without CEOs , just the men from the ministry with transparent and open accounting with clear budgets

Stephen

[FJRider]

I wonder who came up with the idea to sell state assets.
It would appear it was someone who clearly is not working for the benefit of New Zealand.
On the figures given to the media these assets are returning around 17%.
Does that point escape most people?
Instead of selling assets like that, to my way of thinking, they should be borrowing money to buy more assets that can return 17%
If they are paying 4% for their money and making a 13% profit from the investment it would pay itself off in.....years? Can't find my financial calculator at the moment.
That would be the way to reduce debt.
Have these money making assets pay it off.
Simple.

They don't advocate selling off assets that aren't so profitable.
Demonstrate their oft quoted idea, that Private Enterprise can run businesses better than the government.
Why?... because it is an fallacious mantra.
In KB speak...it is Bullshit!

The same people that sell their Xmas presents on trademe. It didn't cost them anything personally ... and money in the pocket is good ... isn't it ... ???

Getting a mortgage to pay for Blue chip shares is never a good idea ... Borrowing money in the hope the market for the stuff you buy now will improve (even get a return from) in three years down the track.

The "I need money NOW' theory usually wins the vote ... especially if interest on the loans already in place ... are due ...

[Hinny]

Getting a mortgage to pay for Blue chip shares is never a good idea ...

But, and like Jenny's, it's a big but,

Irreplaceable, Strategic Assets are hardly in the same category as Blue Chip shares and, to be pedantic, the borrower gives a mortgage and the lender gets one.

Borrowing money to pay for a house and having the successful family business pay off the mortgage is a good idea.

So,

since their sale idea is clearly not a sane business decision
since they keep changing the reason for doing it

We can , I think, safely assume it is a dodgy deal.

As Winston Peters said... "It is a con job"

[Hinny]

That post really should be in "jokes and humour". sue badford??:facepalm:


As I stated earlier,

John Key was talking her up before the 2nd to last election.
Many political pundits of various persuasions talked her up before the 2nd to last election.
She was a more effective MP in terms of bills introduced and accepted than John Key has been, and possibly anyone else, ever.

[FJRider]

But,
Borrowing money to pay for a house and having the successful family business pay off the mortgage is a good idea.

So,

since their sale idea is clearly not a sane business decision
since they keep changing the reason for doing it

We can , I think, safely assume it is a dodgy deal.

As Winston Peters said... "It is a con job"

The thing about successful business's ... success attracts those that think (can ... ???) do it cheaper ... even a few months at a loss (of business elsewhere) can be the business killer ...

Good idea's are just that. UNTILL proven good ... it's a gamble ... if it isn't proven good ... go to plan B.

Just make sure there IS a plan B ... (plan C comes later ...)

[Hinny]

You lost me.
Does that mean you agree or disagree with what Winston said?

[FJRider]

You lost me.
Does that mean you agree or disagree with what Winston said?

Think carefully ... Would Winnie lie to you ... ??? even if ... his political survival depended on it ... ???

[Hinny]

So, nothing of substance to offer.
Much like John Key I suppose.
He's lined up a lot to take tho'.

[SPman]

Beats me, several here could do a better job than the incumbent.My cat could do a better job than the incumbent!

[scumdog]

Beats me, several here could do a better job than the incumbent.

I guess they think ranting on how they know the way the country SHOULD be run on KB qualifies them for that...????

Obviously they don't care enough to actually step into politics and run the country better.

Selfish bastards the lot of them.

[scumdog]

As I stated earlier,

She was a more effective MP in terms of bills introduced and accepted than John Key has been, and possibly anyone else, ever.
[/LIST]

Anti-smacking bill? (Tuis moment):rofl::killingme

[Hinny]

Anti-smacking bill? (Tuis moment):rofl::killingme

What could you possibly find funny in that?
Are you identifying yourself as one of the plonkers that thought reasonable force was a satisfactory defense for bashing children?

[oneofsix]

What could you possibly find funny in that?
Are you identifying yourself as one of the plonkers that thought reasonable force was a satisfactory defense for bashing children?

wakee wakee. The anit-smaking bill has not stopped the bashing of children and was never going to. Reasonable force and bashing are contradictions but the bill failed to address this, instead the bill means that if I see you pick up your screaming tantrum throwing child to give them time out in the car I could call the cops as you a forcibly restraining that child against its will. Suppose it is better use of police time than having them invest some kid that has ended up in hospital with a broken leg. :brick:

[BoristheBiter]

Why is it that you left leaning people just can not grasp the fact that 48% of the population do not agree with you?
Even in places that have a Labour majority the party vote went to National.

[oneofsix]

Why is it that you left leaning people just can not grasp the fact that 48% of the population do not agree with you?
Even in places that have a Labour majority the party vote went to National.

because being some what more intelligent it is easy to grasp the fact that 52% do

[mashman]

Why is it that you left leaning people just can not grasp the fact that 48% of the population, who voted, do not agree with you?
Even in places that have a Labour majority the party vote went to National.

just tweaked that for ya :laugh:

[oneofsix]

Don't know why all this arguing. There is to be another election in a couple of months. John said that if Winny cracked the 5% threshold he would call another election. Winny got over 6%. John is such an honest and trustworthy bloke so there must be going to be another election early 2012. :innocent:
:jerry:

[MisterD]

Don't know why all this arguing. There is to be another election in a couple of months. John said that if Winny cracked the 5% threshold he would call another election. Winny got over 6%. John is such an honest and trustworthy bloke so there must be going to be another election early 2012. :innocent:
:jerry:

:facepalm: JK said that if Winston held the balance of power and kept his word (yes, I know, but there's a first time for everything) and refused to back either National or Labour then that would force another election.

I'm proud to be one of the enlightened 1405.

[Swoop]

She was a more effective MP ... and possibly anyone else, ever.
Yeah. Right.

An effective parasite on the state prior to being elected... but she wasn't elected though.
Then foisted her bizarre beliefs upon us all. Luckily mana party can only put one of their weirdos into Wellington's circular wind tunnel.

[BoristheBiter]

because being some what more intelligent it is easy to grasp the fact that 52% do

But then they vote for winny and hone, yes way more intelligent....NOT.

[imdying]

Are you identifying yourself as one of the plonkers that thought reasonable force was a satisfactory defense for bashing children?A perfect example of why you fringe riding retards are never going to make a speck of difference.

[SPman]

A perfect example of why you fringe riding retards are never going to make a speck of difference.A typical example of a right wing retard who, when he can't answer the question, attacks the questioner.

[Robert Taylor]

A typical example of a right wing retard who, when he can't answer the question, attacks the questioner.

More likely that most people ( including the right wing ''retards'' you scathingly refer to ) are busy working earning an honest living and havent got spare time to sit down, refer to ''The life and times of Chairman Mao'' and engage in protracted vitriole....

[avgas]

Why is it that you left leaning people just can not grasp the fact that 48% of the population do not agree with you?
Even in places that have a Labour majority the party vote went to National.
What party did 48% of the country support? As in 48% of the country went in to vote for 1 party.

None of the parties got that much support from NZ.

[BoristheBiter]

What party did 48% of the country support? As in 48% of the country went in to vote for 1 party.

None of the parties got that much support from NZ.

OK smart arse, 48% of them that voted.

http://www.electionresults.govt.nz/electionresults_2011/

[imdying]

A typical example of a right wing retard who, when he can't answer the question, attacks the questioner.
Get some comprehension skills retard; there was no question directed at me :facepalm: There was another bullshit loaded up question directed at another though.

[avgas]

OK smart arse, 48% of them that voted.

http://www.electionresults.govt.nz/electionresults_2011/
Aren't Statistics grand? :violin:

[BoristheBiter]

Aren't Statistics grand? :violin:

So what's your point?
Are you saying that they rigged the voting results and 48% of THEM THAT VOTED did not vote for National?

[Brian d marge]

And the selling of the silver has begun,

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/6047024/Asset-sales-fight-on-but-Key-claims-mandate

Sandals any one come and get yr sandals .......

Ky Jelly come and get yr Jelly .........

Stephen

Ps the treasury has always been very prudent NZ is very good at managing and is held in high regard , but this smacks of America too much ( in fact its classic IMF , see some south American countries , and worries me )

[Crasherfromwayback]

, but this smacks of America too much ( in fact its classic IMF , see some south American countries , and worries me )

Why would it seeing as you're in Japan and love it so much you'll never be back?

[scumdog]

What could you possibly find funny in that?
Are you identifying yourself as one of the plonkers that thought reasonable force was a satisfactory defense for bashing children?


I was laughing at the 'jousting at windmills' efficiency of the act.:weird:

It's saved a lot of kids from the bash eh.....and even more from being killed...oh yes...:rolleyes:

The only ones that would be concerned about the dumb-arsed law are the ones that wouldn't bash their kids anyway.:yes:

The rest wouldn't give a fat rats arse.

Good old Sue...

[Hinny]

"I know that some New Zealanders don't think that now but there's a massive amount of capital that needs to be invested." John Key.

Who agrees with this statement?
Does the following alter your opinion?:

it is capital which is already invested.
It is invested in strategic assets. Security of energy supply is as important as security of food and water.
It is making a return far in excess of the cost of borrowing.

[Hinny]

The only ones that would be concerned about the dumb-arsed law are the ones that wouldn't bash their kids anyway.:yes:

In my opinion the part of the law which was repealed was dumb-arsed.
If you disagree, perhaps you could enlighten us as to why?

As to Sue Bradford's success, I challenge you to find any other first time politician who has had three private members bill selected and adopted.

PS
I remember John Campbell expressing surprise when Jonkey said his party had been an early and vigorous supporter of the bill.

[SPman]

Get some comprehension skills retard; there was no question directed at me :facepalm: There was another bullshit loaded up question directed at another though.....Which was replied to with a scathing comment, which was replied to with a scathing comment, reworded, which brought forth more scathe! About all one would expect, however..........:whistle:

[BoristheBiter]

I remember John Campbell expressing surprise when John key said his party had been an early and vigorous supporter of the bill.

I would be surprised if JC could express anything.

[Robert Taylor]

It wasnt so dreadful seeing Damien Oconnor ( Labour ) get his seat back, given that he had no time for the lesbo activists and faggots that once had the most control of that party. Thats a victory for those who are not concerned about pc b...s..t.

[Brian d marge]

Why would it seeing as you're in Japan and love it so much you'll never be back?

its heartbreaking seeing a place I worked in / worked for , had my shag in .....ruined ,

I dont know , funny that , call me old fashioned , but I still try and support local NZ business , I bank with Kiwibank .... I may even buy some land there soon ......


but Ill be stuffed if Ill spend my life pushing shit up hill , its a damn sight easier elsewhere .... IMHO ( widely traveled opinion )


Stephen


ps im not sure what you actually said , why would it smack of america? and what has my living in another country have to do with that ??? I have answered the second part of your question , the first , just Google criticism of the IMF

[Winston001]

I wonder who came up with the idea to sell state assets.
It would appear it was someone who clearly is not working for the benefit of New Zealand.
On the figures given to the media these assets are returning around 17%.
Does that point escape most people?


I'm not in favour of the part-sale of the SOEs but for the sake of balance, addressed these points earlier:

The dividend from these SOEs is around 2-3% pa. There had been an artificial increase in the returns because of restructuring among the power companies - swapping dams and power stations.

Trustpower (public listed company) think Meridian are nuts for building their latest windfarm which doesn't stack up financially. I have no idea who is right but if Meridian had public shareholders, they'd have a lot more explaining to do.



"I know that some New Zealanders don't think that now but there's a massive amount of capital that needs to be invested." John Key.

Who agrees with this statement?


The money referred to is not government assets or savings. It is term deposits and bonds held by mum and dad who do not have anywhere else safe to put their savings. These ordinary kiwis previously put their life savings into finance companies because "financial advisors" told them to. As a result they are scared stiff of anything clever or risky so nice safe boring utility companies (the SOEs) will be a godsend.

Have a look at international sharemarkets. No punter ever talks about investing in electricity, water, roads, pipelines (utilities) because such companies don't make big money. Dull dull dull. But they don't fail either.

[Headbanger]

What could you possibly find funny in that?
Are you identifying yourself as one of the plonkers that thought reasonable force was a satisfactory defense for bashing children?

And this is the point your "smarter then everyone else" facade crumbles into dust.

Here's a hint, just for you, if you want to put yourself across as intelligent, don't post stupid shit.

Personally I'd be all for the anti-smacking bill if it had a clause for thumping pretentious twats.

[Headbanger]

its heartbreaking seeing a place I worked in / worked for , had my shag in .....ruined ,


Notice how none of us are telling you how it is in the land of the slit eye?

Now, why is that do you think?

[Hinny]

In my opinion the part of the law which was repealed was dumb-arsed.
If you disagree, perhaps you could enlighten us as to why?

As to Sue Bradford's success, I challenge you to find any other first time politician who has had three private members bill selected and adopted.

PS
I remember John Campbell expressing surprise when Jonkey said his party had been an early and vigorous supporter of the bill.


And this is the point your "smarter then everyone else" facade crumbles into dust.

Here's a hint, just for you, if you want to put yourself across as intelligent, don't post stupid shit.

Personally I'd be all for the anti-smacking bill if it had a clause for thumping pretentious twats.

If you are identifying yourself as one of the plonkers that thought reasonable force was a satisfactory defense for bashing children then perhaps you could address the points and questions in my earlier post.

re. your last line I almost agree with you.
They had a law which kind of allowed adults to belt children.
I used to think a major injustice was that you were not allowed to belt adults; no matter how much they deserved it.

[Hinny]

Have a look at international sharemarkets. No punter ever talks about investing in electricity, water, roads, pipelines (utilities) because such companies don't make big money. Dull dull dull. But they don't fail either.

Um, heard if a company called Enron?

Sounds like Rob Muldoon's advice was right - best investment is putting your money in the bank.

[Headbanger]

If you are identifying yourself as one of the plonkers that thought reasonable force was a satisfactory defense for bashing children then perhaps you could address the points and questions in my earlier post.



Get real, the one or two wanker lawyers who tried (and failed) to us that pathetic argument as a defense for there pathetic clients were grasping at straws just like you are by bringing it up.

Bashing children has been an illegal activity in NZ for quite awhile, and the anti-smacking bill addresses that situation in no way at all.

[Brian d marge]

Notice how none of us are telling you how it is in the land of the slit eye?

Now, why is that do you think?
maybe because you havent lived here , so may not know what the fk your on about , .....

Stephen

[Robert Taylor]

maybe because you havent lived here , so may not know what the fk your on about , .....

Stephen

The Japanese have among their many admirable qualities a capacity for hard work. Many here could learn from that. I feel qualified to comment as I have dealt with many of them and still do. I have also visited Japan on business.

[SS90]

The Japanese have among their many admirable qualities a capacity for hard work. Many here could learn from that. I feel qualified to comment as I have dealt with many of them and still do. I have also visited Japan on business.

As have I Robert, and I have also had a girlfriend that taught there for 2 years, and while the capacity for hardwork is accurate, the Japanese also have a NASTY culture for bullying (physical and mental), both in the workplace, and school yard.

I lost count of how many times I had a train delayed due to suicide. (some distraught bugger jumping in front.)

[imdying]

....Which was replied to with a scathing comment, which was replied to with a scathing comment, reworded, which brought forth more scathe! About all one would expect, however..........:whistle:Is that a freakin Humber? :blink:

[imdying]

The Japanese have among their many admirable qualities a capacity for hard work.They also like to shit on little girls before they have sex with them :sick:

[avgas]

They also like to shit on little girls before they have sex with them :sick:
Technically they stole that from the germans.

[avgas]

As have I Robert, and I have also had a girlfriend that taught there for 2 years, and while the capacity for hardwork is accurate, the Japanese also have a NASTY culture for bullying (physical and mental), both in the workplace, and school yard.

I lost count of how many times I had a train delayed due to suicide. (some distraught bugger jumping in front.)
Yeah/Nah.
NZ has some awesome qualities on the same note:
- Disregard for qualifications ("You haven't been here 20 years doing the same thing day in day out........")
- Multi-cultural, Racist, Sexist managment (yep even the white kiwis get told they are 'lazy')
- Poor HR policies (keep him there, get as much money as you can out of them......)
- Poor recruitment policies (its a business in NZ these days, on a par with london)
- Poor shareholder/stakeholder management (fuck em, take the money and run - nothing can stop us)
- We think we are bigger than we are (must be the best! or else your a failure)
- We can't fix things by brining them out in the open (school fights etc).
- Everything must be equal (even when it doesn't deserve to be).
......

The thing I liked most about Japan was how things got done quickly. We seem to drag things over the coals a million times. At which some point someone gives up and the other moves forward. Effectively same result. But Japanese way is "do as your told", our way is "We will give you the illusion that you have a choice".

[Scuba_Steve]

I lost count of how many times I had a train delayed due to suicide. (some distraught bugger jumping in front.)

is NZ really any better on that front??? we just tend to try & hide it, and rather than address the problem we just have a 20,000$ fine for crossing railways tracks nowadays, that'll stop them! :facepalm:

[BoristheBiter]

Yeah/Nah.
NZ has some awesome qualities on the same note:
- Disregard for qualifications ("You haven't been here 20 years doing the same thing day in day out........")
- Multi-cultural, Racist, Sexist managment (yep even the white kiwis get told they are 'lazy')
- Poor HR policies (keep him there, get as much money as you can out of them......)
- Poor recruitment policies (its a business in NZ these days, on a par with london)
- Poor shareholder/stakeholder management (fuck em, take the money and run - nothing can stop us)
- We think we are bigger than we are (must be the best! or else your a failure)
- We can't fix things by brining them out in the open (school fights etc).
- Everything must be equal (even when it doesn't deserve to be).
......


You missed the biggest one's

If you make something of yourself everyone will bag you and think you're a wanker.
If you work hard you must give it all away to the slackers otherwise you're a wanker.
If you own a business you must take all the risk and give all your profits away or you're a wanker.
You have to spend thousands of dollars to protect the stupid from hurting themselves.

[mashman]

You missed the biggest one's

If you make something of yourself everyone will bag you and think you're a wanker.
If you work hard you must give it all away to the slackers otherwise you're a wanker.
If you own a business you must take all the risk and give all your profits away or you're a wanker.
You have to spend thousands of dollars to protect the stupid from hurting themselves.

and yet you still haven't learned :shifty: stupid greedy wanker

[BoristheBiter]

and yet you still haven't learned :shifty: stupid greedy wanker

less of the stupid thanks. and that's Mr greedy wanker to you.

[avgas]

less of the stupid thanks. and that's Mr greedy wanker to you.
On a flip note. I am not sure I want to meet a wanker who shares everything. Not a male one at least.

[Brian d marge]

As have I Robert, and I have also had a girlfriend that taught there for 2 years, and while the capacity for hardwork is accurate, the Japanese also have a NASTY culture for bullying (physical and mental), both in the workplace, and school yard.

I lost count of how many times I had a train delayed due to suicide. (some distraught bugger jumping in front.)

The above is true , very true but then that is in every culture , The Japanese also can be very racist, very , but then ,,
Ive lived an worked here for 11 years and I still don’t understand the depth of the culture but after asking a awful lot of questions to some very insightful people , I’m about 80% there,

This is why it can take over 9 years to learn how to pour a cup of tea, and why you will hardly hear them use a personal pronoun .......

Every culture has there good and bad points , ,,,,,

Stephen

and some of the dodgiest pron I have ever seen !!!

[Brian d marge]

The Japanese have among their many admirable qualities a capacity for hard work. Many here could learn from that. I feel qualified to comment as I have dealt with many of them and still do. I have also visited Japan on business.


I feel qualified to work on suspension , as I have a little bit of paper from honda and have repaired a few units in my time ...........................


Stephen

[Scuba_Steve]

and some of the dodgiest pron I have ever seen !!!

But it's all censored :crybaby:

[SPman]

Is that a freakin Humber? :blink: Super Snipe.

Or - the avatar - Custaxie - Ford Customline with a 427 up front - won the NZ saloon car champs in 1966 with Robbie Franicevic - good years.....

[Brian d marge]

But it's all censored :crybaby:

not if you know where to look !

Stephen

[mashman]

less of the stupid thanks. and that's Mr greedy wanker to you.


Sorry Mr greedy wanker. Which ironically leads to a thick prick coming into being :eek5:



On a flip note. I am not sure I want to meet a wanker who shares everything. Not a male one at least.


ha ha haaaaaaaa... just spreading the love

[Robert Taylor]

I feel qualified to work on suspension , as I have a little bit of paper from honda and have repaired a few units in my time ...........................


Stephen

Cool, give me 2 mill and I will sell you my business

[BoristheBiter]

Sorry Mr greedy wanker. Which ironically leads to a thick prick coming into being :eek5:



ha ha haaaaaaaa... just spreading the love

Isn't that in the bible? he comes onto himself.

[mashman]

Isn't that in the bible? he comes onto himself.

Nahh, think it was Elvis... behold, thy King cometh unto thee

[BoristheBiter]

Nahh, think it was Elvis... behold, thy King cometh unto thee

Dirty bastard's

[Brian d marge]

Cool, give me 2 mill and I will sell you my business

If you dont mind waiting about three years, and the exchange rate is more favorable, Ill dip into the petty cash.

Stephen

[imdying]

Super Snipe.

Or - the avatar - Custaxie - Ford Customline with a 427 up front - won the NZ saloon car champs in 1966 with Robbie Franicevic - good years.....

Ah of course. I think the Galbraiths are still racing a Galaxy :D

[scumdog]

Is that a freakin Humber? :blink:

You pleb, ya never heard of Custaxie?

It's on Tardme right now.

(Well the replica of the original)

[Hinny]

Custaxie rides again.
Interesting read.
Memories of a great era in NZ motorsport.
Anyone remember the Morarari. - The Morris Minor with a Ferrari motor. lol

http://www.nzfmr.co.nz/pub//The%20Custaxie%20Rides%20Again.pdf

[Hinny]

You pleb, ya never heard of Custaxie?

It's on Tardme right now.

(Well the replica of the original)

From the Trademe ad.
'The famous championship Allcomers Race Car has been restored to it's original condition.The car is still very competitive having won its ist race after restore.'
-Restored - LOL - restored the memory.

[oldrider]

Phil Goff's "friends" in the "house of David" are beginning to emerge from the darkness ... Phil didn't need enemies with "friends" like them!

What a bunch of back stabbing wankers ... no wonder the Labour voters deserted the sinking Labour ship in their droves! :sick:

John Key is certainly the best of the bunch currently on offer to lead New Zealand .... it's still a bit of a worry though! :shifty:

[short-circuit]

Phil Goff's "friends" in the "house of David" are beginning to emerge from the darkness ... Phil didn't need enemies with "friends" like them!

What a bunch of back stabbing wankers ... no wonder the Labour voters deserted the sinking Labour ship in their droves! :sick:

John Key is certainly the best of the bunch currently on offer to lead New Zealand .... it's still a bit of a worry though! :shifty:

What an absolute beat up. Funny how selective you are when it comes to your scepticism of media

[oldrider]

What an absolute beat up. Funny how selective you are when it comes to your scepticism of media

C'mon, It's all been done before, history is just repeating it's self and it's not party selective either!

Even the most loyal enthusiastic Labour voter should be able to see that Phil Goff was hung out to dry by those who were waiting become the new leader!

I feel a bit sorry for Phil Goff but I suppose he knew that he was accepting a poison chalice when he took the job! (just didn't expect it to be soooo poisonous I suppose)

My scepticism about the media stands, surpassed only by my scepticism of the current Labour leadership contenders!

It will get worse before it gets better too, (if it gets better) unless Key fails astronomically meantime! :mellow:

[SPman]

Custaxie rides again.
Interesting read.
Memories of a great era in NZ motorsport.
Anyone remember the Morarari. - The Morris Minor with a Ferrari motor. lol

http://www.nzfmr.co.nz/pub//The Custaxie Rides Again.pdfChassis from a Ferrari Super Squalo, Morry Minor body and 327 Chev plonked up front. NOw resplendant as it's original delf, all the bits being reunited as a Ferrari, once again.
The original Custaxie is no more, alas - the body believed to be dumped in a farm tip somewhere south of Auckland in the '70s. Coventry Motors reclaimed the 427 after the race season and it "ran" with a Flathead Ford for a short while........:facepalm:

The pic is of the replica built up in 2010, at Hampton Downs.

Personally, I always liked Dave Walkers Fiat/Anglia - a Fiat 500 with a hot 1000cc ford in the back seat - used to spin like a top with very little provocation........

back on subject - John Key is a shrewd dick - but - a country gets what it wants, and, seeing he said he's retiring after this term, he will do what he wants, regardless of what anyone thinks of him, then fuck off into the sunset (or Hawaii) with neer a backward glance at the carnage he will leave behind.......

Oh - and this "In what must be a record for broken promises, National have on Day 1 of government delivered a letter to Forest and Bird that they will renege on their promise of public consultation before allowing mining on public conservation land. Denniston will be mined, without the public having a say."

[Hinny]

Chassis from a Ferrari Super Squalo, Morry Minor body and 327 Chev plonked up front. NOw resplendant as it's original delf, all the bits being reunited as a Ferrari, once again.
The original Custaxie is no more, alas - the body believed to be dumped in a farm tip somewhere south of Auckland in the '70s. Coventry Motors reclaimed the 427 after the race season and it "ran" with a Flathead Ford for a short while........:facepalm:

The pic is of the replica built up in 2010, at Hampton Downs.

Personally, I always liked Dave Walkers Fiat/Anglia - a Fiat 500 with a hot 1000cc ford in the back seat - used to spin like a top with very little provocation........

back on subject - John Key is a shrewd dick - but - a country gets what it wants, and, seeing he said he's retiring after this term, he will do what he wants, regardless of what anyone thinks of him, then fuck off into the sunset (or Hawaii) with neer a backward glance at the carnage he will leave behind.......

Oh - and this "In what must be a record for broken promises, National have on Day 1 of government delivered a letter to Forest and Bird that they will renege on their promise of public consultation before allowing mining on public conservation land. Denniston will be mined, without the public having a say."

You sound like someone I'd like to hang out with.
Common interests, a brain and a sense of humour.

[Hinny]

Despite your apparent sexual confusion.

[shrub]

back on subject - John Key is a shrewd dick - but - a country gets what it wants, and, seeing he said he's retiring after this term, he will do what he wants, regardless of what anyone thinks of him, then fuck off into the sunset (or Hawaii) with neer a backward glance at the carnage he will leave behind.......

Oh - and this "In what must be a record for broken promises, National have on Day 1 of government delivered a letter to Forest and Bird that they will renege on their promise of public consultation before allowing mining on public conservation land. Denniston will be mined, without the public having a say."

You got it in one. Welcome to the future.

[oneofsix]

back on subject - John Key is a shrewd dick - but - a country gets what it wants, and, seeing he said he's retiring after this term, he will do what he wants, regardless of what anyone thinks of him, then fuck off into the sunset (or Hawaii) with neer a backward glance at the carnage he will leave behind.......

Oh - and this "In what must be a record for broken promises, National have on Day 1 of government delivered a letter to Forest and Bird that they will renege on their promise of public consultation before allowing mining on public conservation land. Denniston will be mined, without the public having a say."

The first paragraph the highlight in the second are a problem for a lot of the country. Despite the best efforts of many they still vote on promises and therefore they haven't got what they wanted but instead have ended up with what they should have seen coming.

[scumdog]

The first paragraph the highlight in the second are a problem for a lot of the country. Despite the best efforts of many they still vote on promises and therefore they haven't got what they wanted but instead have ended up with what they should have seen coming.

Yup, happens every election...:facepalm:

[oldrider]

John Key? .... Ask yourself, what's in it for him? Know people for what they do, rather than what they say!

John Key has worked hard and shrewdly from nothing to become a comparatively wealthy man who wants for nothing .... almost!

The first thing he did in government was to restore the honours list.

John Key won't be going anywhere without that they shall be known as The Right Honourable "Sir John and Lady Bronagh Key" no less!

When you think about those that have gone before him, I don't think it will be too big an ask and they have all served the needs of the 1% admirably!

John after all has proved himself to be a loyal servant of Merrill Lynch, and he is simply continuing that service by pretending to be for and by the people of New Zealand!

Serving New Zealand is simply a means to an end .... watch this space and see just who's end! :shifty:

Meet John Key: http://www.johnkey.co.nz/pages/bio.html All round nice guy, family man, Knight?

[Brian d marge]

John Key? .... Ask yourself, what's in it for him? Know people for what they do, rather than what they say!

John Key has worked hard and shrewdly from nothing to become a comparatively wealthy man who wants for nothing .... almost!

The first thing he did in government was to restore the honours list.

John Key won't be going anywhere without that they shall be known as The Right Honourable "Sir John and Lady Bronagh Key" no less!

When you think about those that have gone before him, I don't think it will be too big an ask and they have all served the needs of the 1% admirably!

John after all has proved himself to be a loyal servant of Merrill Lynch, and he is simply continuing that service by pretending to be for and by the people of New Zealand!

Serving New Zealand is simply a means to an end .... watch this space and see just who's end! :shifty:

Meet John Key: http://www.johnkey.co.nz/pages/bio.html All round nice guy, family man, Knight?

couldn't free more, now all that needs to happen is enough people to think similar,,,,,,,,,,,,and we have ourselves a quiet revolution :-)

Stephen