Cop pepper sprays Occupy protesters

[blackdog]

Could work in Pomare too.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=BjnR7xET7Uo

[Hitcher]

Occupy Pomare? Now there's a headline grabber.

[scumdog]

Work in Pomare?

Oxymoron......:dodge:

[TIBLE_90]

haha, made me lol watching them all just sit there as the cop casually pepper sprays the bunch.

[oldrider]

The worst thing the "authorities" could do to the protesters is to ignore them ... fence them off and let them wallow in their own shit! :corn:

They see every other :Police: action as justification for their stance! :sick:

[mashman]

They see every other :Police: action as justification for their stance! :sick:

wonder why :whistle:. Throwing flash bangs into a crowd that has gathered to help someone who has been shot in the head by a bean bag, pepper spraying 84 yr old ladies and a small group of students peacefully protesting (on their own campus grounds no less) and assorted other thugery (no other word for it) isn't exactly what I would call endearing... and all because their bosses don't like the tone of the peaceful protest... I see why the Auckland council have fenced off their protesters and are spending 20k per week on security. Protection from the police <_<

[scumdog]

wonder why :whistle:. Throwing flash bangs into a crowd that has gathered to help someone who has been shot in the head by a bean bag, pepper spraying 84 yr old ladies and a small group of students peacefully protesting (on their own campus grounds no less) and assorted other thugery (no other word for it) isn't exactly what I would call endearing... and all because their bosses don't like the tone of the peaceful protest... I see why the Auckland council have fenced off their protesters and are spending 20k per week on security. Protection from the police <_<

Wow, did this happen in New Zealand did it???:shit::blink:

Like in Auckland where the council have spent money on security for the 'protesters'?

[Kickaha]

I would have used dogs rather than pepper spray, big hungry dogs with pointy teeth

[mashman]

Wow, did this happen in New Zealand did it???:shit::blink:

Like in Auckland where the council have spent money on security for the 'protesters'?

Nope, but I can't wait for the day that it does. Oh, hang on, sorry New Zealand, it'll never happen in New Zealand.

[Berries]

Faaark. Thought I had stumbled on the Occupy Dunedin thread. Oh well.

[Big Dave]

I would have used dogs rather than pepper spray, big hungry dogs with pointy teeth

What about tear gas, rubber bullets and water cannons. You have to consider the poor dogs.

[SS90]

What about tear gas, rubber bullets and water cannons. You have to consider the poor dogs.

Interesting replies.

I fail to see how the use of Pepper Spray was in any way justified, they hardly looked like they where aggressive, and it did seem like they where exercising their right to protest, it is after all, America.

Ho Hum...... it seem sthat those with the money make all the rules, and it will never effect anyone else will it.

[oneofsix]

Back in the sixties they just shot them. I mean really, what is the world coming to when USA cop has to use pepper spray instead of real bullets. :jerry:

[meteor]

Aww god, the bleeding hearts, get a fuckn job. Sandle wearing, hairy legged liberal lesbians!
What I did think was funny was that frontie that was shouting at the police and got a face full of the stuff with her mouth wide open, best that'll smart hahahaha!

[BoristheBiter]

Interesting replies.

I fail to see how the use of Pepper Spray was in any way justified, they hardly looked like they where aggressive, and it did seem like they where exercising their right to protest, it is after all, America.

Ho Hum...... it seem sthat those with the money make all the rules, and it will never effect anyone else will it.

Why? The cops in Aussie the removed the protesters from Melbourne peacefully and were called all the names under the sun so they might as well have a reason for it.

[nodrog]

I would have used dogs rather than pepper spray, big hungry dogs with pointy teeth

Fuck that, I wouldnt want my dog chewing on some dirty Hippie, poor bastard might get sick.

[SS90]

Why? The cops in Aussie the removed the protesters from Melbourne peacefully and were called all the names under the sun so they might as well have a reason for it.

Huh? What the he'll are you talking about?
This video was taken in the states, not Melbourne, and the protesters where seemingly pepper sprayed unnecessarily, I actually question the legality of this action by the Police.

I'm all for a level of social order, but this video seems to show repression of free speech and social reaction in a country that screams daily about democracy and freedom.

I really like the attempts to start the good old sixties pee movement chant " Who do you protect, who do you serve?"

Quite a good question in this situation in my opinion.

In this case, not the public it seems!

[ducatilover]

I would have used dogs rather than pepper spray, big hungry dogs with pointy teeth

That's no fun. If you're going for entertainment, get them an SKS rifle each, cheap as chips and so are the tracer rounds.




Pepper spraying protesters like that is....an interesting way of handling the situation.

[Big Dave]

In this case, not the public it seems!


It's KB - don't take it seriously.

[BoristheBiter]

Huh? What the he'll are you talking about?
This video was taken in the states, not Melbourne, and the protesters where seemingly pepper sprayed unnecessarily, I actually question the legality of this action by the Police.

I'm all for a level of social order, but this video seems to show repression of free speech and social reaction in a country that screams daily about democracy and freedom.

I really like the attempts to start the good old sixties pee movement chant " Who do you protect, who do you serve?"

Quite a good question in this situation in my opinion.

In this case, not the public it seems!

Seemed they were pepper sprayed for a good reason to me.

Lucky they're not in Egypt then.

I was waiting for the good old catch phrase "KILL THE HIPPY"

[jazfender]

KB Conservative Party are loving this shit.

[scumdog]

Pepper spraying protesters like that is....an interesting way of handling the situation.

Yeah, seems a tad O.T.T. considering the situation.

Wouldn't have done it myself..

[Kickaha]

Wouldn't have done it myself..

So you would have used rubber bullets and teargas?

[Big Dave]

So you would have used rubber bullets and teargas?

Got swat to do it.

[ducatilover]

Yeah, seems a tad O.T.T. considering the situation.

Wouldn't have done it myself..
My SKS idea isn't bad though is it? <_<

[jazfender]

Honest question, do people on here believe that citizens should not be allowed the right to peacefully protest?

[Hitcher]

Honest question, do people on here believe that citizens should not be allowed the right to peacefully protest?

Yes I do. But when the community in which they're protesting has decided that enough is enough, shouldn't the protestors respect that decision and cease and desist? If they continue doing what they were doing, against the community's wishes, doesn't the community then have the right to move the offending citizens on?

[jazfender]

Yes I do. But when the community in which they're protesting has decided that enough is enough, shouldn't the protestors respect that decision and cease and desist? If they continue doing what they were doing, against the community's wishes, doesn't the community then have the right to move the offending citizens on?

I'm not sure that the community is accurately represented by the police force and park owners. If put to a vote by the community, sure.

[Woodman]

Maybe the cops here should pepper spray the participants at the next ACC levy protest.

[Blackshear]

Lol'd pretty fucking hard at the crowds reaction.
What the fuck did you expect when the cop waved his stick? Oh goodness me he used it.
Standing around gawking and making a huge fuss.

[ducatilover]

Honest question, do people on here believe that citizens should not be allowed the right to peacefully protest?

Nah, string 'em all up and tickle their toes.

[scumdog]

Honest question, do people on here believe that citizens should not be allowed the right to peacefully protest?


I believe they should be left to protest - eventually they would just become part of the scenery and ignored.

At which point their 'protest' would become pointless...

(Of course the protest should not risk alienating the citizens by inconveniencing, obstructing or reducing business of aforementioned citizens)

[unstuck]

So what happened to the " protesters" in wanganui years ago who took over the local park, did they just get bored and move on, or did they get peppersprayed and chewed by big dogs? Cant recall what the outcome was. Getting peppersprayed is probably one of the worst things I have experienced.:blink:

[SS90]

Seemed they were pepper sprayed for a good reason to me.

Lucky they're not in Egypt then.

I was waiting for the good old catch phrase "KILL THE HIPPY"

What "good reason" would that be?

[SS90]

Yes I do. But when the community in which they're protesting has decided that enough is enough, shouldn't the protestors respect that decision and cease and desist? If they continue doing what they were doing, against the community's wishes, doesn't the community then have the right to move the offending citizens on?

Wow......

Who actually says the citizens don't want this?

mainstream media?

Who has the money, makes the rules, and he who makes the rules, owns the newspapers....... Just ask R. Murdoch.

[Oscar]

Wow......

Who actually says the citizens don't want this?

mainstream media?

Who has the money, makes the rules, and he who makes the rules, owns the newspapers....... Just ask R. Murdoch.

Bullshit.
The mainstream media hasn't controlled the news for a decade.
Anything they don't/won't/can't publish turns up on the internet.
As for Mr. Murdoch, he's getting his comeuppance right now.

In NZ the community support for this particular group is underwhelming to say the least.

[scumdog]

In NZ the community support for this particular group is underwhelming to say the least.

But in case Oscar is wrong 'somebody' should organise a march of support for these 'protest' groups around NZ.

[oneofsix]

But in case Oscar is wrong 'somebody' should organise a march of support for these 'protest' groups around NZ.

That would be a hikoi, right?

[Oscar]

But in case Oscar is wrong 'somebody' should organise a march of support for these 'protest' groups around NZ.

We had one in Hamilton on the weekend.
The organiser was a 28 year old food technician from McDonalds.
Seven people turned up.

[BoristheBiter]

What "good reason" would that be?

Didn't move when asked.

[jazfender]

In NZ the community support for this particular group is underwhelming to say the least.

What are you basing that on?

[jazfender]

I believe they should be left to protest - eventually they would just become part of the scenery and ignored.


Agree, although I'm not sure about the second part. Maybe if it was just a local thing and not part of a global movement.

[Oscar]

What are you basing that on?

They were gonna occupy Garden Place in Hamilton.
Seven turned up, all went home after a short while.

Apart from that, on the international scene I don't see Cairo-like crowds turning up to defend the occupiers in NY or London.

[Virago]

Wow......

Who actually says the citizens don't want this?

mainstream media?

Who has the money, makes the rules, and he who makes the rules, owns the newspapers....... Just ask R. Murdoch.

This is what it comes down to - do the public want this?

While the protesters make their claims of "We represent the 99%, and we're going to reclaim democracy", I don't actually recall democratically electing these people to speak on our behalf - can you...?

Any attempt to point out that we don't want them to represent us, will be met with a dismissive - "You're not part of the 99%".

While the protesters and their few supporters claim to have a public mandate, it is in fact far from the truth. The closest they can get to defending that position is to demand proof that they don't. Meanwhile, the overwhelming evidence that they don't have such mandate can simply be dismissed as a media conspiracy.

They are fighting for our democracy, whether we want it or not. The irony is sadly lost...

[Woodman]

They are standing up for something they deem worthy to protest about. Its not about being nice, or even popular but saying your piece and making some noise about it. From what I have seen it is pretty peaceful.

I have ancestors fought (and died) in wars so they could do this shit.

[mashman]

This is what it comes down to - do the public want this?

While the protesters make their claims of "We represent the 99%, and we're going to reclaim democracy", I don't actually recall democratically electing these people to speak on our behalf - can you...?

Any attempt to point out that we don't want them to represent us, will be met with a dismissive - "You're not part of the 99%".

While the protesters and their few supporters claim to have a public mandate, it is in fact far from the truth. The closest they can get to defending that position is to demand proof that they don't. Meanwhile, the overwhelming evidence that they don't have such mandate can simply be dismissed as a media conspiracy.

They are fighting for our democracy, whether we want it or not. The irony is sadly lost...

Have they been asked?

Pretend that the 99% are a political party. If you're not a member, don't identify with their policies and have absolutely no affiliation with them at all, then you are not part of the 99% by your own exclusion Any clearer? They are speaking on my behalf, even if they don't for you. So not being part of the 99% isn't dismissive at all, it's a fact. We're closer to a plutocracy than we are a democracy.

You said it yourself, they have a few supporters. Therefore they have a mandate from the public. I'd be interested to find out, once everyone has heard the why's, how's etc... how many would consider themselves to be in line with the 99%. There's no overwhelming evidence until everyone has made their decision. By all means cite the current numbers that are currently protesting as evidence to support your point of view, but know that there are more supporters in the country.

Have you been along to get a real perspective on what their aims are? or are you going to rely on some crackpots internet ravings?

[SS90]

This is what it comes down to - do the public want this?

While the protesters make their claims of "We represent the 99%, and we're going to reclaim democracy", I don't actually recall democratically electing these people to speak on our behalf - can you...?

Any attempt to point out that we don't want them to represent us, will be met with a dismissive - "You're not part of the 99%".

While the protesters and their few supporters claim to have a public mandate, it is in fact far from the truth. The closest they can get to defending that position is to demand proof that they don't. Meanwhile, the overwhelming evidence that they don't have such mandate can simply be dismissed as a media conspiracy.

They are fighting for our democracy, whether we want it or not. The irony is sadly lost...

Here-in lies the rub.

It is pretty much impossible to actually ever find out "what people want", because, no matter what we think, we are all a controlled popultion, no matter where we live.

Just as an election is looming, the voting public (yes, even though I am on the other side of the world, I am making an extreme effort to vote) are inundated , all of a sudden with various "carrots" to sway our decision on which party we vote for...... free choice? not bloddy likely.... most of us will vote for the party that promises something that will benifit them, as an individual, not the collective.

Just as this ridiculous "Tea tape" shit has, simply by the fact that the complainant is the Prime minister of NZ, had exhaustive Police hours wasted on it (while other REAL crimes have gone un investigated) indicates that even in NZ, what is shown/perceived to be "popular opinion", is not, by any means, accurate.

Just as this website is not in anyway an accurate representation of Kiwi opinion.

I am sure many people are not aware that in th USA, something like 70% of voters are hardcore christian, CONSERVATIVE, which is in complete contradiction to what media (TV) suggest, which shows you the California, liberal fun loving carefree idealist, and suggests this is the norm.

So, what indeed "does the public want"?

I want an end to Wall Street worms destroying our planet and creating more poverty just to increase their individual wealth, as, quite simply, it has now shown, beyond a doubt that this is unsustainable (we are approaching our 4th year in global economic crisis are we not)

In my lifetime, as far as I am aware, the only cause that a tangible amount of people have got behind was the South African tour in the 80's, even then, it divided the nation.

I suggest that there are plenty of people in NZ that are in support of changes to stock markets and profiteering, however, as pretty much every Kiwi, on his worst day, has sweet FA to really gripe about, most of us are just going to want it all to stop so we can go back to watching Shortland Street ( or some such thing)

It's called apathy.

[Oscar]

Here-in lies the rub.

It is pretty much impossible to actually ever find out "what people want", because, no matter what we think, we are all a controlled popultion, no matter where we live.

Just as an election is looming, the voting public (yes, even though I am on the other side of the world, I am making an extreme effort to vote) are inundated , all of a sudden with various "carrots" to sway our decision on which party we vote for...... free choice? not bloddy likely.... most of us will vote for the party that promises something that will benifit them, as an individual, not the collective.

Just as this ridiculous "Tea tape" shit has, simply by the fact that the complainant is the Prime minister of NZ, had exhaustive Police hours wasted on it (while other REAL crimes have gone un investigated) indicates that even in NZ, what is shown/perceived to be "popular opinion", is not, by any means, accurate.

Just as this website is not in anyway an accurate representation of Kiwi opinion.

I am sure many people are not aware that in th USA, something like 70% of voters are hardcore christian, CONSERVATIVE, which is in complete contradiction to what media (TV) suggest, which shows you the California, liberal fun loving carefree idealist, and suggests this is the norm.

So, what indeed "does the public want"?

I want an end to Wall Street worms destroying our planet and creating more poverty just to increase their individual wealth, as, quite simply, it has now shown, beyond a doubt that this is unsustainable (we are approaching our 4th year in global economic crisis are we not)

In my lifetime, as far as I am aware, the only cause that a tangible amount of people have got behind was the South African tour in the 80's, even then, it divided the nation.

I suggest that there are plenty of people in NZ that are in support of changes to stock markets and profiteering, however, as pretty much every Kiwi, on his worst day, has sweet FA to really gripe about, most of us are just going to want it all to stop so we can go back to watching Shortland Street ( or some such thing)

It's called apathy.

That's funny - to call it apathy when people are ignoring a cause that you support.
I call it indifference.

[Virago]

...It's called apathy.

Bingo - I wondered how long that would take.

All too often, these fringe-dwelling groups with despotic leanings will take public tolerance and indifference as implicit approval and agreement.

The right to free speech and peaceful protest is a cornerstone of a democratic society, and the public will generally tolerate it - and perhaps embrace it. The mistake is to assume that such public tolerance is approval of your ideology.

[Oscar]

Bingo - I wondered how long that would take.

All too often, these fringe-dwelling groups with despotic leanings will take public tolerance and indifference as impicit approval and agreement.

The right to free speech and peaceful protest is a cornerstone of a democratic society, and the public will generally tolerate it - and perhaps embrace it. The mistake is to assume that such public tolerance is approval of your ideology.


The next step is to call the general populous "sheep", inferring that the activists just ‎know better, an incredibly arrogant attitude.


Also, could someone enlighten me on the use of Guy Fawkes masks by the protestors?
Seems an odd choice.
‎

[mashman]

The next step is to call the general populous "sheep", inferring that the activists just ‎know better, an incredibly arrogant attitude.


Also, could someone enlighten me on the use of Guy Fawkes masks by the protestors?
Seems an odd choice.
‎

Sheeple man, sheeple... at least attempt to get it right :)

In answer to the masks... watch V for Vendetta... on second thoughts you best not... the reason he wears the mask, kinda, is because he has been burned from head to toe. If you watch the movie you can draw your own reason for why he wears the mask. They're probably used for OWS because of the line "Beneath this mask there is more than flesh. Beneath this mask is an idea, and ideas are bulletproof".

[SS90]

It amuses me that some people in this thread ascertain that "most people" don't want these protests..... Maybe in NZ where, no matter what you think, the global financial crisis has not REALLY had as big an impact as most other places... But I assure you in places like Europe and the UK, these last few years have devastated public services to the point that even street sweepers have lost their jobs.... Yet stock market and bank workers (despite even recent job losses) continue to receive massive "bonuses"

Unfortunatley,even if everyone in NZ did not care about this protest movement, the rest of the world, by In large, does.

Just check out UK papers and news reports for what really is "popular opinion"

[Woodman]

Ok so correct me if I am wrong, but my understanding of what the Wall st protests started were because the US gummint bailed out a shit load of companies using taxpayers money, only for the same companies to then lay off shitloads of workers and then pay management extreme bonusses even though they were not performing.
If thats the reason for the protest, then fair enough in my book. All power to them.

[EJK]

YO PROTESTERS I'M HAPPY FOR YOU AND I'MMA LET YOU FINISH, BUT THICH QUANG DUC HAD ONE OF THE GREATEST PROTEST OF ALL TIME...


<img src="http://www.quangduc.com/BoTatQuangDuc/Tuthieu.jpg" />


OF ALL TIME!


</10char>

Fukn wimps bitchin about pepper spray.

[SS90]

Ok so correct me if I am wrong, but my understanding of what the Wall st protests started were because the US gummint bailed out a shit load of companies using taxpayers money, only for the same companies to then lay off shitloads of workers and then pay management extreme bonusses even though they were not performing.
If thats the reason for the protest, then fair enough in my book. All power to them.

Yes, this is correct.

Does anyone still think that is is acceptable for Police to spray these same protesters with pepper spray?

I still question the legality of the Police officers actions.......

Who do you protect, who do you serve?

[BoristheBiter]

Yes, this is correct.

Does anyone still think that is is acceptable for Police to spray these same protesters with pepper spray?

I still question the legality of the Police officers actions.......

Who do you protect, who do you serve?

Not the hippies evidently.

I still liken it to saying to someone, go on hit me in the face and then crying when they do.
Surely they must have known what was going to happen.

[mashman]

Not the hippies evidently.

I still liken it to saying to someone, go on hit me in the face and then crying when they do.
Surely they must have known what was going to happen.

Why? I mean, you say that they're asking for it because they're there and legally protesting. Does the law have anything to do with why the, now "stood down", cops sprayed the protesters in the face? Or is it the same logic as, well she dresses like a slut, she was asking for it?

[Hitcher]

Let's all become protestors, live in tents on public land, shit in fountains, and bludge off the state whose actions we all hate. That sounds to me like an entirely sensible and sustainable basis to operate an economy. After all the only people who get to vote are rich pricks who own the law enforcement agencies.

[BoristheBiter]

Why? I mean, you say that they're asking for it because they're there and legally protesting. Does the law have anything to do with why the, now "stood down", cops sprayed the protesters in the face? Or is it the same logic as, well she dresses like a slut, she was asking for it?

even I didn't think you would bite to such a blatant troll as that.

[mashman]

Let's all become protestors, live in tents on public land, shit in fountains, and bludge off the state whose actions we all hate. That sounds to me like an entirely sensible and sustainable basis to operate an economy. After all the only people who get to vote are rich pricks who own the law enforcement agencies.

Funny when the media went to the occupy camps during the day and found they were all but empty. Could it be that some members of the tax paying public are protesting on public land? Perhaps instead of spending 20k/week on security, they could have installed a portaloo or two? Are you sure it was a protester that shat in the fountain? The current crop have a building or tow or three and a massive amount of resources and don't seem to be doing any better in terms of turning things around. Perhaps tents are the way to go :bleh:.

[mashman]

even I didn't think you would bite to such a blatant troll as that.

I'm in the mood :) ... perhaps I should turn the TV off and find me a bucket of sand

[oneofsix]

who needs pepper spray. Go Wellington.


Wellington's notorious winds might do what councils in Auckland and Dunedin have so far failed to achieve – force out Occupy movement protesters.

[Smifffy]

Some classics here:

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[jazfender]

Some classics here:

http://peppersprayingcop.tumblr.com

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Oh man this one rules.