What the!

[Matt Bleck]

Can anyone tell me about the new barriers on SH1? They start roughly around the Te Kauwhata turn off and carry on to the new express way before the dragstrip. They are what seem to me to be a weave of steel cables and steel box section poles.

Surley these are just temporay, aye?

I mean, just look at them, a gaint f*%king human chip maker!! :clap:

Do you think they consider motorcyclist's when they build these f$&king things? :weird:

[justsomeguy]

I think they are either permanent or part of the government's 100 year SH1 widening plan....... that :mad: road has been under repair for ages.......

[Matt Bleck]

YOU hAVE TO BE JOKING. Yeah a 100 year plan to wipe out motorbikes!!

[Ixion]

Cheesecutters, they are called. And the are permanent. And many representations have been made to Transit. And they do not give a stuff. Prepare to be chipped.

[zeRax]

ill have some pepper on mine please ;>

[myvice]

Why? do you think thay care about us?
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[sAsLEX]

who has a gas axe? if they somehow always fall down and need constant repair the cost of new safe to motorcycle barriers will start looking good to the government

[DingDong]

I've seen these barriers and was shocked that anyone would think they were a good idea :oi-grr:

Be carefull and dont play silly buggers on that stretch of road... if you happen to hit the black-stuff there wont be much to take to hospital :nono:

[stify]

Be carefull and dont play silly buggers on that stretch of road... :nono:

just by pass it an use 22 much more fun :yes:

[ZorsT]

they have them on parts of the new stoke bypass near me. People don't seem to think of bikers when they install theese things (or vote to have them). I'll tell you what though, they do a nice job on writing off the cages that hit them :D

[Big Dave]

I'll tell you what though, they do a nice job on writing off the cages that hit them :D


and that's why the use them - not to slice up bikers - but they stop cars better than armco or concrete - which can launch a vehicle cartwheeling into the oncoming traffic if the impact is just right (or wrong).
The cable fences drag the car to a stop with sudden friction and there is less liklihood of a head on. Small comfort.

[stify]

The cable fences drag the car to a stop with sudden friction and there is less liklihood of a head on. Small comfort.

the number of times the wire barrier on th southern m/w has been hit

i say a big comfort

[pyrocam]

Ive had to buy some more armor because of it


(too lazy to PSP it properly)

[stify]

Ive had to buy some more armor because of it


(too lazy to PSP it properly)

rinnnnngggggggadinnnnnngggggg....man u guna need a biga motor

[unhingedlizard]

they did tests in Germany where they fired cadavers at these thimgs (only the germans) and the result was very much like a cheese slicer.

Be careful out there.

[pyrocam]

but seriously.
yes horribly dangerous. I had a quick skim over the austrailian study on them (posted somewhere here recently) and it looks like it is possible to put the other additions ontop of the existing ones. oh well, at least on a motorway Id guess its safer to just not crash? oh wait... hah silly me



rinnnnngggggggadinnnnnngggggg....man u guna need a biga motor

stay on topic (or mostly) theres heaps of other places to hassle the size of my engine. I recommend LOTPIHGAD.

[sAsLEX]

and that's why the use them - not to slice up bikers - but they stop cars better than armco or concrete - which can launch a vehicle cartwheeling into the oncoming traffic if the impact is just right (or wrong).
The cable fences drag the car to a stop with sudden friction and there is less liklihood of a head on. Small comfort.

I see the friction thing, but in places it is only a single line of cheese graters, I reckon give me a commodore and I could flip it right over the bloody things aint that high or wide compared to the concrete motorway dividers!

Would be a very luck and weird impacet that caused a car to flick to the other side of the road on impacting a concrete barrier, would be interesting to see how many times this has happened on the Auckland Motorway network.

[JohnBoy]

i hate to say it but its pernament, and id say your probably right sAsLEX.
i work in roading and i havent meet many people who think there a good idea. the only reason they put them down is cost.

the factors are that you need to maintain a minimum lane width for the speed environment and also make the road appear to be wide enough to cages. if they put down a concrete barrier it utimatly means that the road needs to be another meter wider over using a wire type "cheese grater" barrier, which at a rough cost (constructed) at about $40 - $50 per m2 is a fair bit of money.

also what makes these even worse is the fact that if something hits them they will deflect about 2m into the other lane before the wires pull you back in, and that is only if the vehicle hits square on... it gets a lot worse if it dosen't.

my advice... dont hit em, even in a cage cause if there is something coming the other way 9 times out of ten you will probably take them out too. they are only designed to keep a vehicle on one side off the road, not to prevent all head on collisions.

[justsomeguy]

The scary thing about them - apart from the cheese grater factor.

Is that if hit straight on we (our bodies) may flip over into the other lane.

[Pixie]

As I have said in other posts,I have it on good authority that in France the bikers refused to register their bikes until the govt banned wire rope barriers.
Anyone for a mass protest?
Or shall we just go back to Baaing in our paddocks? :wait:

[SuperDave]

Is that if hit straight on we (our bodies) may flip over into the other lane.

I would rather take my chances of being flipped over into the other lane than get sliced in half. But seriously, those things are dangerous shit, take extra care around them.

[Ixion]

As I have said in other posts,I have it on good authority that in France the bikers refused to register their bikes until the govt banned wire rope barriers.
Anyone for a mass protest?
Or shall we just go back to Baaing in our paddocks? :wait:

I'm on if the numbers are there. Say 100 bikes. Ride down the mororway to the barrier start.Stop . Block third lane. Mr Plod arrives, moves us on. We obey like good people so noone gets in trouble. But we have the media briefed to be there. Lots publicity, photos. Grill Mr Transit

[justsomeguy]

I'm on if the numbers are there. Say 100 bikes. Ride down the mororway to the barrier start.Stop . Block third lane. Mr Plod arrives, moves us on. We obey like good people so noone gets in trouble. But we have the media briefed to be there. Lots publicity, photos. Grill Mr Transit

You serious?? I'm sure we can make this happen.

[Ixion]

You serious?? I'm sure we can make this happen.

Get 100 bikes and it works. Plod can't do much with so many, just tell us to move on. Which we do, after the press have got their photos. They'll go for it becos so many bikes is photogenic. Then press ask "What's it all about" .Doesn't work with just a few bikes, got to have the numbers.

Do some publicity type stuff. Every bike brings a cardboard cross for example, We stick them against the wires (photo photo photo) , "We're putting them there in advance becuase Transits cost cutting is going to kill motorcyclists" (Probably better gimmicks, that one just came to mind).

Just pick a quiet time so we don't piss of lotsa motorists.

[justsomeguy]

Get 100 bikes and it works. Plod can't do much with so many, just tell us to move on. Which we do, after the press have got their photos. They'll go for it becos so many bikes is photogenic. Then press ask "What's it all about" .Doesn't work with just a few bikes, got to have the numbers.

Do some publicity type stuff. Every bike brings a cardboard cross for example, We stick them against the wires (photo photo photo) , "We're putting them there in advance becuase Transits cost cutting is going to kill motorcyclists" (Probably better gimmicks, that one just came to mind).

Just pick a quiet time so we don't piss of lotsa motorists.

True - they show it in the road works ads....

Wonder if the bloody suits will like it in real life? (rhetorical question)

HOW MANY OF YOU ALL WOULD TURN UP TO SUPPORT THIS?? (Actual question - please answer)

[Big Dave]

HOW MANY OF YOU ALL WOULD TURN UP TO SUPPORT THIS?? (Actual question - please answer)

Nope. Not that concerned.

[skidz]

The easiest solution to the problem is to be more aware of the outcome, and just think about not wiping out. They have had them down Wellington way for a few years now, and people don't get too stressed over it.

[Smorg]

I'd turn up, had a mate killed by them in Oz. Aparently he would have been just fine had they not been there :weird:

[T.I.E]

id be there. don't want to sit by quietly and just try to ignore it. it wont go away on its own. better do something now it maybe me or someone i know. and all in the way of cost.
what is the price on safety.

although i would preffer driver education to be a hell of a lot higher, than the replacement of barriers.

prevent the accident rather than minimise it.

[myvice]

Educating drivers?
I'd like them to stop handing out licences to people when they get off the plane!
Hmmm, lets see, "A group of bikers upset 5 people today caus they wanted to have a bitch about how little we care"
If you want to be noticed you will need 1000 or more!
A block on the bridge heading in at 8am will get you on TV.
Now you will get, "A small and powerless group want YOU THE TAX PAYER to spend more keeping them safe"
I'd be there, but I dont think it would work.
Stop paying rego? Do I have to get rego first then stop?

[Motu]

I get to do this run every day now,it bloody narrow for my wandering Pajero.Tonight heading south at Te Kauwhata looks like a truck has taken out several metres of plastic posts and cables are lying everywhere - biggest problem is how to get traffic around problem areas....so we have to travel down the wrong side of the road until we find a gap to get back in,all a big drama for something that wouldn't of been a big issue without barriers.Maybe the truck was going out of control into oncoming traffic - but I doubt it most likely just going a tad wide to miss a car,dog,whatever.

[Drew]

You should ask Whitetrash, about his wee disaster right next to the shit, 160ks one wheel, wind, slide on arse on grass bit that is 6 inches wide at the base of the post bits.
Him is one lucky fucker, and he managed to ride home!

[HDTboy]

who has a gas axe? if they somehow always fall down and need constant repair the cost of new safe to motorcycle barriers will start looking good to the government
Bloody great idea

just by pass it an use 22 much more fun
An even better idea

[XP@]

Check out this thread:

http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php?t=13557

[Firefight]

Can anyone tell me about the new barriers on SH1? They start roughly around the Te Kauwhata turn off and carry on to the new express way before the dragstrip. They are what seem to me to be a weave of steel cables and steel box section poles.

Surley these are just temporay, aye?

I mean, just look at them, a gaint f*%king human chip maker!! :clap:

Do you think they consider motorcyclist's when they build these f$&king things? :weird:




does this help answer your question .

http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php?t=13557


see post # 11


F/F

[Pixie]

I'm on if the numbers are there. Say 100 bikes. Ride down the mororway to the barrier start.Stop . Block third lane. Mr Plod arrives, moves us on. We obey like good people so noone gets in trouble. But we have the media briefed to be there. Lots publicity, photos. Grill Mr Transit
Sounds like a good idea.
One question though...
This MOROrway,it's not like the Hershey Highway I hope? :no:

[Motu]

It's been well over a week and no repairs to the damaged cheese cutter at Te Kauwhata,cones everywhere directing south bound traffic into the north bound lane,cables lying on the ground,50kph limit.Meanwhile posts have been taken out in two places nearer the Hampton Downs end with no attempt at repair.The company that did the instalation and upkeep can look forward to a long contract with steady work.....wish I had invested in the Witches Hat Company......