Why can't I turn right?

[Jay GTI]

Anyone else have this issue?

I know with right/left side dominance, certain things will always be easier on one side of the body than the other (i.e. kicking or throwing a ball), but I have an issue whereby as I develop my skills and get faster, it seems my ability to corner around left handers has ended up way above my ability to do the same around right handers.

Particularly noticed this yesterday at the Spectro ride up in Kaipara, a couple of faster sweeping corners to play on, left hander was cranked over, drifting nicely, feeling comfortable and in control. The right hand corner... awkward, couldn't get the bike over, not at all comfortable, slow and sloppy, felt like I was going to bin it constantly. Very frustrating!

Sadly I don't have access to a paddock to set up a clockwise loop and just practive my rights, so I can't easily solve my issue...

[slofox]

Very common complaint, this. Has been discussed on KB before - if you can find the posts with the arcane search engine we employ here...

There's also a lot of discussion on other forums of the same topic.

I have become a lot more even with left/right cornering since I got on the gixxer. Not sure why this is, but it has happened. Maybe just better handling bike? Maybe just more riding? Quien sabe?

[p.dath]

An AMCC ART day would probably help you a lot. I think the next one is on December 12th.
http://www.amcc.org.nz/advanced

Failing that, come along for some free training at NASS sometime if your keen, it is a lot of fun.
http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/wiki/North_Auckland_Street_Skills


I used to have a problem doing full lock right hand turns ... took me ages to work out the throttle cable was sticking causing the RPM to increase as I pulled the bars tight right. Once I fixed that with some CRC things where much easier.

It sounds like you are doing some high speed cornering. If would help a lot of you could get a video of you cornering, both to the left and the right, and then compare.
See where you are positioning your body. Check weather your body is leaning into the turn (good), or the opposite way that the bike is leaning (effectively fighting the bike).
Check weather you are on the balls of your feet.

Perhaps you might find you aren't deliberately counter-steering both ways.

Are your tyres evenly worn? Perhaps the profile on one side is not evenly matched with the other side.

[White trash]

An AMCC ART day would probably help you a lot. I think the next one is on December 12th.
http://www.amcc.org.nz/advanced

Failing that, come along for some free training at NASS sometime if your keen, it is a lot of fun.
http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/wiki/North_Auckland_Street_Skills

Fuck yeah, I bet both those events would be mint on a KTM 350 SX-F. Will the knobblies pass scrutineering?

[White trash]

Personally, I reckon it's a psycological thing, possibly due to right foot not covering the brake pedal when you're turning right?

[Latte]

Fuck yeah, I bet both those events would be mint on a KTM 350 SX-F. Will the knobblies pass scrutineering?

Couple of burnouts to grind them down and you're on your way. ;) And anyway, just because he rides a KTM, he posted in the Offroad section, and mentions test riding in a paddock, do you really think anyone could have the slightest clue he's not road riding ?


Compare (someone else watch you maybe) how you sit on the bike in both corners, foot placement, body and arm position.

Other option is to crash your brains out on a left hander, that'd even things right up :D

[barty5]

same deal i hate lefts though

[Crasherfromwayback]

Personally, I reckon it's a psycological thing, possibly due to right foot not covering the brake pedal when you're turning right?

I had a serious problem turning right once. I was on an XR1200, and the steering was locked.

[White trash]

I had a serious problem turning right once. I was on an XR1200, and the steering was locked.

I believe The Peoples Hero, Bruns had a similar issue on his GSXR750 outside McDonalds in Wainui back in the day too.

[Crasherfromwayback]

I believe The Peoples Hero, Bruns had a similar issue on his GSXR750 outside McDonalds in Wainui back in the day too.

Luckily for me, I only had the poor pedestrian I nearly skittled with the bike as an audience...

[BM-GS]

A standard problem for humans, being not-quite symmetrical.

Could be body position differences, or maybe wheel-alignment. Lots of bikes are set up not-quite-straight from the factory. If you have a long enough straight edge, you should be able to check this at home. Those marks on the swingarm aren't always spot-on...

Check that the wheels are true first, then check that the front and back are properly in line, with the steering set straight-ahead. Eyeballing won't catch it unless it's waaay out. And you need to check from the wheels, not the tyres.

[bluninja]

err aren't roads cambered from the centre line? So on a left hander you (provided you are your side of centre) have camber working for you and on right handers it works against you.

[bogan]

Personally, I reckon it's a psycological thing, possibly due to right foot not covering the brake pedal when you're turning right?

+1, I get that too, I also can't turn left cos my foot is off the shifter :bleh:


err aren't roads cambered from the centre line? So on a left hander you (provided you are your side of centre) have camber working for you and on right handers it works against you.

Roads? we don't need no stinking roads....

[Crasherfromwayback]

err aren't roads cambered from the centre line? So on a left hander you (provided you are your side of centre) have camber working for you and on right handers it works against you.

Don't think the OP is having trouble with the camber of the roads...

[bluninja]

Don't think the OP is having trouble with the camber of the roads...

Must be having a problem with the camber of the forum :sick:

[Crisis management]

This seems to be going well then, what have you managed to glean so far Jay?

Before you do anything else check the bike thoroughly and make sure the wheels are actually aligned, any misalignment will make it steer better one way than the other, string line around the wheels works for me.
Get someone to watch you riding and comment on the differences, maybe at the superbowl at the sandpit?
Failing any of that, slow down your right hand turns and practice getting them smooth first perfecting body position through all the aspects of the turn, you will relearn the turn and then speed will come back.

[Jay GTI]

This seems to be going well then, what have you managed to glean so far Jay?

Before you do anything else check the bike thoroughly and make sure the wheels are actually aligned, any misalignment will make it steer better one way than the other, string line around the wheels works for me.
Get someone to watch you riding and comment on the differences, maybe at the superbowl at the sandpit?
Failing any of that, slow down your right hand turns and practice getting them smooth first perfecting body position through all the aspects of the turn, you will relearn the turn and then speed will come back.


So far I have gleaned that some people have no clue where they are and I'm glad I don't have a steering lock on my bike...

...but also I think there is definitely merit in what you and BM-GS are saying about bike alignment, so will definitely check that out.

Also agree with White Trash that it is a psychological issue, but for me not with the brake being covered, but more about the fact that I feel awkward and unsettled, so can't drop into the corners like I can going left. Then I get frustrated and the frustration itself continues to make it worse.

Good suggestions on getting someone to watch me, or vid me, I've done that before with my jumping when got an ex-MX racer mate to follow me around a track for loads of laps, was awesome!

Glad it's not just me too...

[Crasherfromwayback]

Glad it's not just me too...

The beach is an awesome place to go when you need to practice lefts or rights sideways at speed.

[Usarka]

Counter steering with throttle hand could be a factor..... Especially if you are conciously trying to countersteer.


I had something similar once and I started pulling and pushing on the left which left throttle hand/arm relaxed. Seemed to make some difference but no idea if it's based on any kind of theoreticalness.

[Jay GTI]

Counter steering with throttle hand could be a factor..... Especially if you are conciously trying to countersteer.


I had something similar once and I started pulling and pushing on the left which left throttle hand/arm relaxed. Seemed to make some difference but no idea if it's based on any kind of theoreticalness.

Ah now that is also a very good point, just playing things back in my head and I do have issues with my right arm in right-handers, as due to also trying to control the throttle while pulling the bars down, I struggle to stay relaxed and that is probably where my tensed upper-body issues start... hmmm, will try using my left hand more for control...

[Pornstar]

Hey ZOOLANDER, cant turn right huh? but serioulsy, remember to keep your elbows up dude, sometimes i get on my bike and wonder why its not turning so good, then realise my elbows are not up, as soon as i lift them the bike handles much better, also make sure your looking ahead through the turn to or even past the exit, hope this helps. or get a road bike and employ the other suggestions.:facepalm:

[Jay GTI]

Hey ZOOLANDER, cant turn right huh? but serioulsy, remember to keep your elbows up dude, sometimes i get on my bike and wonder why its not turning so good, then realise my elbows are not up, as soon as i lift them the bike handles much better, also make sure your looking ahead through the turn to or even past the exit, hope this helps. or get a road bike and employ the other suggestions.:facepalm:

Yeah I do tend to drop the elbows in the rights, kind of part of trying to control the throttle and do all that conrning stuff with the extended right arm. Got the looking ahead thing all sussed though, that makes such a huge difference to riding in general.

[Motu]

There is a reason all oval dirt tracks turn left...except for side cars and Waiuku. Get on the beach and do figure 8's,flip from one side to the other,over and over and over....you'll get the hang of it.

[flyingcr250]

I used to have the same problem, most of it was mental:weird:, but a big part of it i found was that i was subconsiously putting more weight on the peg with my right leg (im right handed), so when ever i turned right i consiously put lots of weigt on the left peg and eventualy i started doing it without thinking about it, turning left or right feels natural to me now,

[flyingcr250]

Riding out at kimmys alot helped to, most of the turns are right handed

[Pornstar]

Yeah I do tend to drop the elbows in the rights, kind of part of trying to control the throttle and do all that conrning stuff with the extended right arm. Got the looking ahead thing all sussed though, that makes such a huge difference to riding in general.
Ah, try gripping the throttle like a door knob and not at 90 degrees to the bars, i.e elbow up and sort of have your little finger knuckles more foward, this will let you keep your elbows up in the corners, you have to make a real consious effort to do it until it becomes 2nd nature.

[Jay GTI]

I used to have the same problem, most of it was mental:weird:, but a big part of it i found was that i was subconsiously putting more weight on the peg with my right leg (im right handed), so when ever i turned right i consiously put lots of weigt on the left peg and eventualy i started doing it without thinking about it, turning left or right feels natural to me now,


Ah, try gripping the throttle like a door knob and not at 90 degrees to the bars, i.e elbow up and sort of have your little finger knuckles more foward, this will let you keep your elbows up in the corners, you have to make a real consious effort to do it until it becomes 2nd nature.


Awesome, both of those I know are a big part of the problem, cheers guys :niceone:

[takitimu]

Awesome, both of those I know are a big part of the problem, cheers guys :niceone:

I got pinged last training for being to stiff in my arms, keeping loose might help.

Though my biggest issue ever turning one direction was caused by one of my radiator louvres coming loose.

[Woodman]

Got the same problem, always have, only its turning left that is hard for me. Even spinning the bike round on a trail to go back, right is so much easier.

Entered the beach racing earlier this year and its all left turns, but was way more confident (still am) after the days racing turning left so those guys that said go to the beach are on the money.

[scott411]

as said before it is comman as you will be dragging your rear brake in left hand corners, making the bike more stable, and giving you more confidence,

you just need to practice more, as crasher said is a good place to practice faster corners slidding the bike, think about what you are doing going both ways,

[Jay GTI]

as said before it is comman as you will be dragging your rear brake in left hand corners, making the bike more stable, and giving you more confidence,

you just need to practice more, as crasher said is a good place to practice faster corners slidding the bike, think about what you are doing going both ways,

If I am dragging the rear brake it will be unintentional, as I ride with the balls of my feet on the pegs and am generally nowhere near the brake lever(habit I got from racing mountain bikes, as I was always clipped in to the pedals which makes you ride that way).

Right, so beach time is an excellent suggestion... in theory, but Muriwai is a no go, can't get on from Woodhill, can't think of anywhere legal I could go play...

[Crisis management]

can't think of anywhere legal I could go play...

Try that sandy open bit by the old carpark at the sandpit, it's the only place I can think of. Or, PM ktmboy and ask his opinion.....

Been interesting reading the responses, I will have a look at my turning skills and body position next time I'm out!

[Motu]

Try Kariotahi...hopefully they haven't blocked access yet.

[Ktmboy]

You don't need a beach. Thats the uninformed thinking and judging by the input mostly by road riders that know jack shit.
There are heaps of track to keep you thinking including figure 8 areas. Its all about weight distribution and there is alot of elements involved in this, too many to discuss in a forum.
Just ride all yellow tracks and focus on wieghting the pegs, momentum in Vrs momentum out, clutching etc etc etc. Practice makes perfect.
One lesson is worth its wieght in hours of listening to heresay.
Contact the likes of Karl Power.

[Crasherfromwayback]

You don't need a beach. Thats the uninformed thinking and judging by the input mostly by road riders that know jack shit.
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That sounds like the talk of a full of himself tosser, seeing as he doesn't know the people giving said advice.

[caspernz]

Go to a decent rider training outfit instead of listening to keyboard heroes. Heck, I'd done 15+ years and over 500,000 kms before I did some formal rider training. Lots of little fine tuning makes you into a better, more confident, and thus safer, rider.

The only alternative is hands-on buddy training with a rider whose skills you trust, and even that is a poor alternative to the first suggestion....

[barty5]

That sounds like the talk of a full of himself tosser, seeing as he doesn't know the people giving said advice.

replied to by someone who dont know who he is talking about well done golf clap to you.:clap::clap:

[NordieBoy]

replied to by someone who dont know who he is talking about well done golf clap to you.:clap::clap:

The beach is not a good idea?

Being able to do circles, ovals, figure of 8's in any size and direction you want. Soft sand, hard sand.

Sounds perfect to me.

[Crasherfromwayback]

replied to by someone who dont know who he is talking about well done golf clap to you.:clap::clap:

Couldn't care less who he is. I stand by my statement, as some of the riders giving the 'beach' advice are extremely capable off road riders/racers.

[Jay GTI]

Couldn't care less who he is. I stand by my statement, as some of the riders giving the 'beach' advice are extremely capable off road riders/racers.

"He" tauch my girlfriend to ride in August and thanks to his tuition (getting her to ride correctly, right from the outset) on her 3rd ever ride on Sunday she was flying up hills, doing little jumps and fanging it through boggy sections... so I do put some weight into his advice... The suggestion of professional guidance with the likes of Karl Power is spot on, as I've seen the benefit of his professional advice first hand.

In fairness though, I have had success blatting around on beaches as well, back when it was sort of acceptable out at Muriwai. In fact one of the reasons turning left is fine is I used to spend hours trying to drift my bike in a big anti-clockwise loop, getting the bars as close to the sand as possible... just for some dumb reason, I never turned around and went in the other direction.

Anyways, all advice helps, so it is all appreciated :niceone:

[Reckless]

just for some dumb reason, I never turned around and went in the other direction.



I think you may have answered on own question there my friend :msn-wink:

[Jay GTI]

I think you may have answered on own question there my friend :msn-wink:


Yeah it felt too awkward going in the other direction., bloody forgot I used to do that..:facepalm:

[Crasherfromwayback]

replied to by someone who dont know who he is talking about well done golf clap to you.:clap::clap:


"He" tauch my girlfriend to ride:

"He" may want to tell the great Brad Lackey that he's full of shit then. Here's a wee pic or two of Brad and Jimmy Weinert "practicing" the art of cornering both left and right...on SAND! Something the man himself highly recommends.

So as good as he may be...he ain't no Brad Lackey. Just someone that thinks he is the only one worth listening to. Which makes him a full of himself tossbag.

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[noobi]

The issue is using public beaches for practising, some gumby sees him and reports to the police that a dangerous out of control motorcyclist is endangering women and children. Which is never good for off road riders image in the public eye is it? A beach, is in principle, an ideal place to practice, but doing it legally is a different matter. "He", is taking issue with it not being legal, not that beaches are a waste of time for practising.
The aggressive response is because too many people, knowingly or not, ride on these beaches, get caught and can contribute to more riding areas being shut down.

Back on topic, there's a figure 8 track out at kimmies. There's also plenty of tracks at the sandpit which have many little bermed corners, which are great for building cornering confidence. Although, the main thing is to actually practice what you want to get better at, instead of just going out and riding.

[scott411]

That sounds like the talk of a full of himself tosser, seeing as he doesn't know the people giving said advice.

go easy, sounds more like a person that has issues with people breaking into a part of the beach you are not aloud to ride on,

someone mentioned Kerotahi, midweek is ok, but it is way to busy to hit up on the weekend esp during summer,

the old car park at woodhill is a good place, you can make a figure 8 track there and learn alot, the is a very good small loop just to the super bowl side which would be good as well

[Crasherfromwayback]

You don't need a beach. Thats the uninformed thinking and judging by the input mostly by road riders that know jack shit.
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. "He", is taking issue with it not being legal, not that beaches are a waste of time for practising.
The aggressive response is because too many people, knowingly or not, ride on these beaches, get caught and can contribute to more riding areas being shut down.

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Maybe you should read his response again. I don't see any mention of legality...do you? What I see...is an agressive answer that is out of line.

[White trash]

It also implies that road riders know jack shit when it comes to offroad riding. Fucken tar babies, they should just stay in the onroad section where them and their poofy looking leathers belong.

Except for the fact that a good number of "road riders" are actually quite accomplished off road riders. Sloan Frost, Johnny Burkart, Craig Shirriffs, even (dare I say it) that raving poofter Pete McDonald........ But yeah, they know jack shit.:laugh:

[scott411]

It also implies that road riders know jack shit when it comes to offroad riding. Fucken tar babies, they should just stay in the onroad section where them and their poofy looking leathers belong.

Except for the fact that a good number of "road riders" are actually quite accomplished off road riders. Sloan Frost, Johnny Burkart, Craig Shirriffs, even (dare I say it) that raving poofter Pete McDonald........ But yeah, they know jack shit.:laugh:

they are still dirt riders that just have decided to kick tar babies asses, ;)

except Craig, he's gay and not really that good of a dirt rider, you can keep him as a road racer

[Crasherfromwayback]

go easy, sounds more like a person that has issues with people breaking into a part of the beach you are not aloud to ride on,



Might want to say that then...rather than what was said. Pity you guys then...we're allowed to ride on beaches down this way.

[White trash]

except Craig, he's gay and not really that good of a dirt rider, you can keep him as a road racer

But he spends sooooo much time on the GSXR in the sand, you'd think he'd be a fucken pro.

[scott411]

But he spends sooooo much time on the GSXR in the sand, you'd think he'd be a fucken pro.

fair point, I have not really looked into wether he turns left or right in the sand before he lays it over tho, so not sure if its really on the point of this thread

[Jay GTI]

Back on topic, there's a figure 8 track out at kimmies. There's also plenty of tracks at the sandpit which have many little bermed corners, which are great for building cornering confidence. Although, the main thing is to actually practice what you want to get better at, instead of just going out and riding.

Ah, planning on going tio Kimmy's next weekend, haven't been there for years and didn't know about the figure 8 track... and agree completely that the Sandpit has plenty of little bermed up corners, been there a lot already this year and I have improved greatly over the last 6 months or so... on little bermed up corners. I just need fast, open corners to play on as well, which is where I was sucking big time on Sunday.

[Crasherfromwayback]

But he spends sooooo much time on the GSXR in the sand, you'd think he'd be a fucken pro.

Yeah he may as well fit the thing with knobblies and go beach racing!

[Jay GTI]

go easy, sounds more like a person that has issues with people breaking into a part of the beach you are not aloud to ride on,

Yeah I know "He", or rather Tony, has real issues with wank stains regularly breaking into The Sandpit, riding the wrong way, making their own trails, hitting the beach, riding up at the bombing range and generally making his life unecessarily difficult (all that shit goes straight back to him), when for $25 they could do all the riding they wanted completely legally. Which is why I would now only beach ride if it was 100% legal (and legal for me to fang about, not just potter about at 50kph).


the old car park at woodhill is a good place, you can make a figure 8 track there and learn alot, the is a very good small loop just to the super bowl side which would be good as well

That is true, could make my own inside the old learners loop by the carpark, good idea....

[Ktmboy]

"He" may want to tell the great Brad Lackey that he's full of shit then. Here's a wee pic or two of Brad and Jimmy Weinert "practicing" the art of cornering both left and right...on SAND! Something the man himself highly recommends.

So as good as he may be...he ain't no Brad Lackey. Just someone that thinks he is the only one worth listening to. Which makes him a full of himself tossbag.

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Touchy touchy... I'm not going to get into a personal attack as I don't know you for a bar of soap. But maybe you should try reading what was actually written. Get your facts right.
Did i ever say I was the only one worth listening to?
Did I say don't go onto the beach?
Did I say sand was not the ideal place to do figure 8's etc.
Answer NO
What I did say was "You don't need a beach.
And its true. If he's riding/cornering better in one direction than the other then what is riding on a beach going to do? He is still going to be making the same errors and riding on sand ain't going to fix that is it?
What is going to fix it IMO (as I know nothing) is someone watching him ride and instructing him correctly.

The OP is now probably confused to hell now because the "uninformed" as I put them are offering 1500 different bits of advice and not all of it correct.
If you want to continue the childish name calling, go ahead.

[Crasherfromwayback]

You don't need a beach. Thats the uninformed thinking and judging by the input mostly by road riders that know jack shit.
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I'd have to say that looks like you saying I know jack shit right?


Touchy touchy... I'm not going to get into a personal attack as I don't know you for a bar of soap. But maybe you should try reading what was actually written. Get your facts right.


The OP is now probably confused to hell now because the "uninformed" as I put them are offering 1500 different bits of advice and not all of it correct.
If you want to continue the childish name calling, go ahead.

Maybe you should think a bit more before posting?

And if the OP is gonna get confused by people opinions on things...maybe he should ask?? But he did...as I assume he's keen to learn?

Any maybe, just maybe, the ones you think "uniformed" could know more than you think, and dare I say it, be handy on a bike to boot.

My take on a beach is this. It's wide open...nothing solid to hit when/if it goes wrong. The surface is always consistant (which is handy when trying to work on things.One less variant). You have as much room as you need to go as fast/slow as you want. The final thing is this. Ever noticed how a shitload of the worlds best Mxers come from places that have a lot of sand tracks? If you can ride well in sand, you can generally ride pretty well on any given surface.

[barty5]

Maybe you should think a bit more before posting?

Ever noticed how a shitload of the worlds best Mxers come from places that have a lot of sand tracks? If you can ride well in sand, you can generally ride pretty well on any given surface.

Some should take their own advise if you had read other posts or looked at tony's profile you might have noticed what he dose http://www.thesandpit.co.nz/ just maybe he may well know what he is talking about ????????????

[Crasherfromwayback]

Some should take their own advise if you had read other posts or looked at tony's profile you might have noticed what he dose http://www.thesandpit.co.nz/ just maybe he may well know what he is talking about ????????????

Someone should stop licking Tony's arse. I was told yesterday by Scott Wilkins who he was actually mate...doesn't change my opinions or what I think of his "jack shit" comment.

[CHOPPA]

they are still dirt riders that just have decided to kick tar babies asses, ;)

except Craig, he's gay and not really that good of a dirt rider, you can keep him as a road racer

Well put there Scotty! haha

I havnt read the whole thread but it looks like its turning into a good road vs dirt debate so ill back both sides until someone gets pissed off...

I have seen most of the guys that post in this offroad forum ride and I wouldnt be taking any advice from them, go see DK, Broxy or my pick of the bunch Nicky Urwin. Money well spent.

Speaking of Beach racing or the Whangarei Dash for cash for that matter, anyone own this and wanna let me ride it??? Ill bring home the loot!

http://www.trademe.co.nz/Browse/Listing.aspx?id=419541235

[CHOPPA]

I'd have to say that looks like you saying I know jack shit right?



Maybe you should think a bit more before posting?

And if the OP is gonna get confused by people opinions on things...maybe he should ask?? But he did...as I assume he's keen to learn?

Any maybe, just maybe, the ones you think "uniformed" could know more than you think, and dare I say it, be handy on a bike to boot.

My take on a beach is this. It's wide open...nothing solid to hit when/if it goes wrong. The surface is always consistant (which is handy when trying to work on things.One less variant). You have as much room as you need to go as fast/slow as you want. The final thing is this. Ever noticed how a shitload of the worlds best Mxers come from places that have a lot of sand tracks? If you can ride well in sand, you can generally ride pretty well on any given surface.

Sand is great to practice on. Barrel racing on the beach would be great for learning turning and bike control.

Belgium has lots of sand tracks.....

BT, Coops, S King, Saunders, Broxy etc etc etc all used to practice on the sand track at the Mount a few times a week. If you could ride that track fast your good, if you could ride it fast for 20 mins you were the man

[scott411]

Well put there Scotty! haha

I havnt read the whole thread but it looks like its turning into a good road vs dirt debate so ill back both sides until someone gets pissed off...

I have seen most of the guys that post in this offroad forum ride and I wouldnt be taking any advice from them, go see DK, Broxy or my pick of the bunch Nicky Urwin. Money well spent.

Speaking of Beach racing or the Whangarei Dash for cash for that matter, anyone own this and wanna let me ride it??? Ill bring home the loot!

http://www.trademe.co.nz/Browse/Listing.aspx?id=419541235


throw me under a bus why don't ya, i ride allright, and if you get me to stay still for long enough i can coach not to bad as well, i actaully have a MNZ coaching cert from back when they used to do them,

the off road guys are good coaches as well, Birchy when he is around, the POwers, Luke Ramsey does some as well at Kimmys, like most things, a good coach will make a big difference,

but that coach does not need to ride that well themselves, Graham Henry would be an horrible starter for even a club team

[CHOPPA]

Sandy loamy surface is far better for barrel racing or figure 8s.

If you do it on hard clay type surface its going to be hard to learn and it would be better practice for an experienced rider.

If you do it on normal type dirt you will end up just practicing riding ruts which is good to learn as well but loamy sandy turns are the best imo

[Jay GTI]

Ok crasher, we get the point, you don't like Tony or his attitude, thank you for making that abundantly clear several times, I hope you feel better now. No-one else gives a shit (especially me), but as long as you’ve proved what ever you needed to prove, we’re all good right?

For the record, I am an educated, intelligent adult, quite capable to sorting good advice from bad. I also know to trust people who have already proven themselves to me. I respect Tony’s advice, because I have already paid for it and seen the benefit. On Sunday I was actually shocked by how well my girlfriend was riding and it is solely because Tony did a very, very good job of teaching her to ride. He knows his shit. If his attitude annoys you, fair enough, we got that, thanks for the input.

I do agree that time on a big, empty beach would help, but thanks to some retard kid on a beach near Dargaville a few years ago, it's not really an option anymore. And so Tony is right, I don't NEED to ride on a beach to address my issues, I can do it elsewhere. And professional tuition would make achieving what I want a lot easier.

I do really appreciate people trying to help me on this and if you have further constructive input, it will be most welcome. However at the end of the day I have every reason to respect what Tony says and you going on and on about what you think of him and his attitude is not going to make me corner faster...

[Crasherfromwayback]

Ok crasher, we get the point, you don't like Tony or his attitude, thank you for making that abundantly clear several times, I hope you feel better now. No-one else gives a shit (especially me), but as long as you’ve proved what ever you needed to prove, we’re all good right?

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Sorry. Didn't realize I wasn't allowed to defend myself or my opinions.

[CHOPPA]

throw me under a bus why don't ya, i ride allright, and if you get me to stay still for long enough i can coach not to bad as well, i actaully have a MNZ coaching cert from back when they used to do them,

the off road guys are good coaches as well, Birchy when he is around, the POwers, Luke Ramsey does some as well at Kimmys, like most things, a good coach will make a big difference,

but that coach does not need to ride that well themselves, Graham Henry would be an horrible starter for even a club team

Sorry Scotty, didnt know you were offering coaching. Are you back? Scotty would be a good coach, he has been racing for ever so he will know all the tricks! If it wasnt for a huge (impressive) crash at Taupo a few years back oh and a split stomach at Taupiri he could have been right up the front of the Nationals.

Luke can ride the wheels of a bike so yeah any top rider with good communication skills would be a good option.

Edit... Actually sorry yeah I see what you were saying Scotty, you dont have to be a good rider... My wife is actually one of the best people for giving me riding tips, she studies the guys going faster and tells me the difference between what they do on a particular corner and it usually really helps. Video also is a good tool

[scott411]

Sorry Scotty, didnt know you were offering coaching. Are you back? Scotty would be a good coach, he has been racing for ever so he will know all the tricks! If it wasnt for a huge (impressive) crash at Taupo a few years back oh and a split stomach at Taupiri he could have been right up the front of the Nationals.

Luke can ride the wheels of a bike so yeah any top rider with good communication skills would be a good option

not back for a while yet, missing riding a bike tho

[Jay GTI]

Sorry. Didn't realize I wasn't allowed to defend myself or my opinions.

You are and you did, several posts ago.Can we move on now?

[Crasherfromwayback]

You are and you did, several posts ago.Can we move on now?

Of course we can. Especially after a big cuddle. For the record, I think what Tony does is 100% awesome for riders up your way. Providing a place we can all ride legally is a great thing. And you're obviously a smart guy that's keen to learn, so I'm sure you will.

[Jay GTI]

Of course we can. Especially after a big cuddle. For the record, I think what Tony does is 100% awesome for riders up your way. Providing a place we can all ride legally is a great thing. And you're obviously a smart guy that's keen to learn, so I'm sure you will.


Sweet, I'm cool with man cuddles, so all good on my part :niceone:

And yeah, I'm here to learn. I have lots of bad habits and lots of things I struggle with, so any and all advice is appreciated and I hope I can return the favour as well, when I get to pass on what I've learned...

[CHOPPA]

Of course we can. Especially after a big cuddle. For the record, I think what Tony does is 100% awesome for riders up your way. Providing a place we can all ride legally is a great thing. And you're obviously a smart guy that's keen to learn, so I'm sure you will.

:hug::sick::bleh:

[Crasherfromwayback]

:hug::sick::bleh:

No. It's the use of tounges that make man hugs icky mate.

[White trash]

Last time Choppa gave me a man hug, he tried to put his finger inside me.

STAY AWAY!

[Jay GTI]

No. It's the use of tounges that make man hugs icky mate.

I'm fine with tounges, just keep your hands where I can see them...

[Usarka]

I'm fine with tounges, just keep your hands where I can see them...

As long as it's not playing the rusty trumbone :sick:

[Crasherfromwayback]

Last time Choppa gave me a man hug, he tried to put his finger inside me.

STAY AWAY!


I'm fine with tounges, just keep your hands where I can see them...


As long as it's not playing the rusty trumbone :sick:

Speaking of turns...this one has taken a wrong turn!

[Jay GTI]

But yet the same advice applies... keep your elbows up, don't tense your arms and hold it like a doorknob... not keen on doing that on a beach though...

[Crasherfromwayback]

But yet the same advice applies... keep your elbows up, don't tense your arms and hold it like a doorknob... not keen on doing that on a beach though...

Except I'll say that that version is best done with your eyes closed.

[Pornstar]

But yet the same advice applies... keep your elbows up, don't tense your arms and hold it like a doorknob... not keen on doing that on a beach though...

DONT GO ON THE BEACH MAN,If weve learnt anything from this thread its keep away from the beach. Perhaps a little tough love is needed here, find yourself a nice quarry and practice corners there, none of that soft ass sand to ease into, just flesh tearing rocks to keep ya focused.

[andy 101]

There is another way to look at your turning,I am left handed, and left hand corners are more of a problem for me than right hand, no matter what the surface conditions are. Afther 30yrs of racing and riding I have not been able to correct this problem.

[Jay GTI]

Just in case anyone is interested... yeah prolly not, but anyway...

I've been trying to put advice into practice on the last two rides and I have to say... it's working!

The best advice from here is the way I've been holding the throttle, if I do the door knob thing, it allows me to then keep my elbows up, which then allows me to relax my shoulders more, so it all then works together to help me really drop the bike into right-handers.

What also helps is I've tried to make sure I'm as far forward on the bike as possible, something I seem to do naturally on lefts, but for some reason didn't with rights. That way I can get right over the bars and control where the bike is going, the rear then just follows suit (providing I'm not giving it too much welly).

Was akward unlearning bad habits at Woodhill a couple of weeks ago, but at Kimmy's on Sat it was all starting to come together.

So thanks all for the input, me very happy and appreciative.:niceone: