Why are motorcycle shops closed on Sundays?

[nzspokes]

Why are Motorcycle shops closed on Sundays? Shops seem to be closing around the country yet they close early on a Saturday and not open on a Sunday. Is this a throwback from the 70s?

I dont believe its staffing issues as every other retail operation handles it fine. Im work in a simular industry and our shops would never think of being closed on Sundays.

Of course in Auckland we have Cycletreads and Motomail open. :love:

[Kickaha]

Here's 40 pages with some of the answers and associated dribble
http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php/119165-Can-anyone-tell-me-why-bike-shops-only-open-for-half-a-day-on-Sunday

[nzspokes]

Here's 40 pages with some of the answers and associated dribble
http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php/119165-Can-anyone-tell-me-why-bike-shops-only-open-for-half-a-day-on-Sunday

Chur, will be intresting reading.

[nzspokes]

Best quote from that thread,

Most bike shops in NZ are stuck in 1981.

[iYRe]

a lot of bicycle type shops are closed on sunday too.. I asked the local (quite big) shop, and they said because its family day, go for a ride day, and they would have to train people up to come in and open up that one day a week (admittedly it is a family business). He said it was just too hard to find good reliable people to come in one day a week, and maintain the levels of service that they have. One shop I do know that opens on sunday have a roster system for "normal" staff, and a random highschool kid to help - but they say they rarely make a profit on sundays.

[Kickaha]

Most bike shops in NZ are stuck in 1981.

Not even close to the truth, service and parts availability is way better than it ever was back then

[Crasherfromwayback]

Best quote from that thread,

Most bike shops in NZ are stuck in 1981.

You obviously work seven days a week then? Six is enough for me thanks.

[Woodman]

If there was money in it they would.

[nzspokes]

You obviously work seven days a week then? Six is enough for me thanks.

When I owned a retail shop, yes I did.

[Ronin]

When I owned a retail shop, yes I did.

And you no longer own one why?

[Crasherfromwayback]

And you no longer own one why?

If he worked 7 days a week for long enough, I'm guessing he had a mental breakdown.

[nzspokes]

If he worked 7 days a week for long enough, I'm guessing he had a mental breakdown.

Yes I did as it happens but not due to the business.

[onearmedbandit]

It's not a matter of working '7 days a week'. Want proof? Look at any car yard. I work 6 days a week, and I'll be at work on Sunday 3 days a month (we get one weekend off a month). My day off is Wednesday.

[jellywrestler]

TSS in lower hutt will be open sundays in a couple of weeks

[Pussy]

TSS in lower hutt will be open sundays in a couple of weeks

And I reckon they will reap the benefits of it, too! Good on them!

[tri boy]

Actually, they are open 24hrs a day, seven days a week.
Example. Last Sunday morning I ordered 2 brake rotors and pads from Wemoto in the UK, (170 quid all up. EBC):woohoo:
Finished my morning coffee.
Parts arrived five working days later, with no less than 5 tracking emails sent.

I was not a fan of purchasing online, and bypassing the local shops, but when I get that type of service, and save about $500, then I think I will shop on Sundays more often.:yes:

Tri boys prediction for bike shops over the next 2-5yrs is bleak.MHO

[Maha]

I dont work weekends...have no need to and haven't done for over 10 years.
Not working on weekend days is my second hobby (1st one is not mowing the lawns)
Thank god I dont work in retail.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Tri boys prediction for bike shops over the next 2-5yrs is bleak.MHO

Then Tri boy will have to learn how to repair his own motorcycle and fit his own tyres too. Buying his bike from overseas will be fun, as will getting warranty work done for it.

[slofox]

s'easy - all the bike shop dudes are out riding on Sunday. Only day they get to gather "work relevant experience, the better to serve the customer..." :shifty:

[tri boy]

Then Tri boy will have to learn how to repair his own motorcycle and fit his own tyres too. Buying his bike from overseas will be fun, as will getting warranty work done for it.

Tri boy can do all of the above.
Left the industry a few years back, as tri boy could already see the writing on the wall.
Motorcycles are the same as any other disposable appliance now a days. Thing is, most other appliance stores have been opening on Sundays for near on a decade already.
The retail motorcycle industry is screwed if they do not adapt. MHO

[Crasherfromwayback]

Tri boy can do all of the above.
Left the industry a few years back, as tri boy could already see the writing on the wall.
Motorcycles are the same as any other disposable appliance now a days. Thing is, most other appliance stores have been opening on Sundays for near on a decade already.
The retail motorcycle industry is screwed if they do not adapt. MHO

Yeah thought I'd seen posts from you before that may've mentioned you'd been involved!

This Sunday thing has been done to death here, and I congratulate any shop that does well out of trading on Sundays.

The day I have to work on a Sunday...is the day I'll leave the motorcycle trade as well.

Fuck that.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Yes I did as it happens but not due to the business.

Sorry to hear that. I feel pretty burnt out mentally doing the hours I do.

[merv]

The day I have to work on a Sunday...is the day I'll leave the motorcycle trade as well.

Fuck that.

Ya can't miss going to church can ya!

[sil3nt]

Sundays are the only days i have off usually. Have often thought of going to Auckland to look at the bike shops before i remember they are all closed :facepalm:

No big deal saves me money.

[iYRe]

Ya can't miss going to church can ya!

ironically.. alot of church going bikers go to church on days other than sunday :P (ie, a weeknight) for that very reason..

Sunday is often the only day that you can ride..

I have a few mates in retail, and they are lonely riders... (because they ride on weekdays, when they get them off).

[merv]

As for the weekend and bike shops, finally we had a sunny day in Welly yesty and we'd received the rego renewal for Mrs merv's DR650SE. We'd been away last weekend but being home this weekend I thought cool I'll take the bike down to VTNZ for its WOF in the arvo coz these days you can't rego if the WOF has expired. Porirua VTNZ is open to 4pm on Saturdays.

Bugger me even though its been on battery tender all its life the battery decides to quit and wouldn't crank the bike into life for the first time ever. So I guess they die eventually though for us at 7 years it was a bit young for that. No amount of charging fixed this problem so I gave up about 3pm on that.

Now where and when to get a battery? Of course all the bike shops were shut by then yesty arvo so today Repco Porirua got my business - new battery now fitted, bike started and I'll go get the WOF next weekend.

We don't use our bikes often and tend to do so on a whim depending on the weather and I said on that long thread about bike shops, if you aren't open when we have that whim we go on and spend our money somewhere else or on something else.

[DrunkenMistake]

Simple answer,

Motorcycling = Religion
Motorcycling religions Sabbath = Sunday.

[scott411]

the basic answer is that it does not pay for itself, and the strain on staff is to much, and since most staff in motorcycle stores are riders themselves they tend to go out riding,

Cycletreads and Motomail are the exceptions, but if everyone started doing it they would struggle as well, i know alot of shops that have all tried Sunday's and all have given it up because it does not pay for itself, it does not generate enough new business to make it worth while,

and i am with Crasher, if it comes to working sundays, i will be out of motorcycle retail as well,

another thing is late nights, we tried late nights last summer, and it did not really work either, a few people came in but they were not people that were new, it did not pay for itself,

[SS90]

We don't use our bikes often and tend to do so on a whim depending on the weather and I said on that long thread about bike shops, if you aren't open when we have that whim we go on and spend our money somewhere else or on something else.

Please don't take this the wrong way, but, simply, this last paragraph sums up the point.

By your own admission, you don't use your bikes much, and, by using a battery minder, EXPECT LONGER THAN 7 YEARS! From a battery...... And STILL want bike shops to cater for you?

Sorry Merv, but, quite simply if anyone was to use this example to develop a business model, it would either be The Salvation Army, Bernados, or the S.P.C.A
Its just the reality.

Margins are small (and decreasing all the time), just be grateful bike shops exist at all.

[Str8 Jacket]

TSS Red Baron, Lower Hutt will be open on Sunday's in a couple of weeks. They're moving just a couple of doors up towards the bridge/ railway tracks, should be a massive shop!

[Owl]

We have Anza open on Sunday's in Palmy, but no workshop open. Anza are also a secondhand car dealer, so I doubt they'd be open if that wasn't propping up the motorcycle side.

Personally I wouldn't care if they were closed and I'd fit around that. I'm all for staff having a life away from work!

[Brian d marge]

but why is it Saturday and Sunday , why are these day sooo special , My days off are Monday Tuesday , the slowest point in my week

Stephen

[Crasherfromwayback]

but why is it Saturday and sunday , why are these day sooo special , My days off are mondat tuesday , the slowest point in my week

Stephen

I quite like playing golf, riding my motorcycle with others. They have the whole weekend off, and don't get Monday's Tues's off as they're not in retail.

[Brian d marge]

I quite like playing golf, riding my motorcycle with others. They have the whole weekend off, and don't get Monday's Tues's off as they're not in retail.

So nothing to do with customers then, more of a personal thing

Stephen

[Crasherfromwayback]

So nothing to do with customers then, more of a personal thing

Stephen

Absolutely 100% about my mental health and well being yes. Some fun and enjoyment in life with good friends is important to all those that have them.

My customers all have my home phone number (I don't and never have owned a cell phone) and are most welcome to call me 24/ for help or assistance, but be fucked if I'm gonna be here for more than the hours I already put it.

[JimO]

fuck yea lets have the bike shops open 24/7 so we can drag our arse out of bed at 11 am on sunday, have a mooch about in the shop, get a free coffee, look at all the things we want, then go home and have a look on ebay to see how much we can save, it doesn't suit everybody to have monday off instead of sunday, motorcycle shops arnt like supermarkets or briscos where you can have a few teenagers running the place. most bike shops are open 6 days a week anyway what could you possibly need on sunday that you couldnt buy on saturday

[blue rider]

its a tradition called shabbat, (in Israel and Islamic countries this day applies to Saturday or Fridays )
also called the Lords Day, people used to go to church, eat roast and spend time with the family

but sooner or later we all work around the clock every day of the year.....spending time with friends and family pffft how quaint :facepalm:

[nzspokes]

So nothing to do with customers then, more of a personal thing

Stephen

We my thoughts are that you dont need key staff there every hour your open. Use some cheap part timers and only have the sales floor open on Sundays.

[blue rider]

We my thoughts are that you dont need key staff there every hour your open. Use some cheap part timers and only have the sales floor open on Sundays.

if i go with all my non knowledge to a bike shop i want some knowledgeable man or women at hand to explain all the questions i have and the questions i have not thought off.

i would not want some cheap as geezer hanging about trying to sell me gear that is supposed to keep me alive. I would want key staff providing excellent service.

really, whats wrong with giving people Sunday off?

no one can be so desperate to shop!

[Brian d marge]

Saturdays and Sundays , might only be .. names we give to days of the week , as well as Christmas ,

now time off from work , any one remember 1/2 day Wednesdays/Sunday off ... Im so glad we have moved on from those times....


and the the poor sods who run their own business ...........thats another whole ball game ....

Stephen

[JimO]

i run my own business if you want me to work sunday you pay me around $100 a hr or you can fuck off

[Brian d marge]

i run my own business if you want me to work sunday you pay me around $100 a hr or you can fuck off

fk I charge more than that on a weekday ,,,,

Just read this out round the office, given us a good laugh, where do we send the money to ???


Stephen

[JimO]

fk I charge more than that on a weekday ,,,,

Just read this out round the office, given us a good laugh, where do we send the money to ???


Stephen

bully for you, your mum must be proud of you, doubt you will find anybody in the building trades in NZ earning 100 a hr on a weekday, best you stay where you are, you being the big man and all

[Brian d marge]

bully for you, your mum must be proud of you

Well you wanted a cock measuring exercise and thought you be funny ......

Stephen

ps Im not in the building industry , I get to play with motorbikes for a living ....

[JimO]

Well you wanted a cock measuring exercise and thought you be funny ......

Stephen

ps Im not in the building industry , I get to play with motorbikes for a living ....

not being funny you want me to work sunday you pay that amount...........playing with motorbikes for a living wont get you $100 a hr in NZ so best you stay in japan

[nzspokes]

i run my own business if you want me to work sunday you pay me around $100 a hr or you can fuck off

Not asking you to, but if you could hire somebody to work the extra day and still give you the time off but still make a profit would you not try?

Not talking about a one man business or man in a van here.

Also not saying anybody works 7 days a week. Well run this could put people back on to 5 days.

[JimO]

Not asking you to, but if you could hire somebody to work the extra day and still give you the time off but still make a profit would you not try?

Not talking about a one man business or man in a van here.

Also not saying anybody works 7 days a week. Well run this could put people back on to 5 days.

no as im a 1 man operation

[nzspokes]

really, whats wrong with giving people Sunday off?

no one can be so desperate to shop!

Because if you run a retail outlet you are missing out on potental business. Also what about people that work 6 days as it is? When do they get to shop as bike shops dont even have a late night?

Also as said before many people buy on a whim, if they have a day or two the sale is lost.

[Brian d marge]

not being funny you want me to work sunday you pay that amount...........playing with motorbikes for a living wont get you $100 a hr in NZ so best you stay in japan

I know thats why I live here , doing what I love to do ,

Though next year I will scale right back , and spend more time in the garden ( I have a small front garden and an allotment not far from house....) thats the plan at the moment.

Stephen

[nzspokes]

no as im a 1 man operation

Cool, then in your situation this does not apply. This is a retail issue.

[JimO]

I know thats why I live here , doing what I love to do ,

Though next year I will scale right back , and spend more time in the garden ( I have a small front garden and an allotment not far from house....) thats the plan at the moment.

Stephen

yea i have 2 houses 5 cars a boat a caravan and 2 motorbikes and 2 dogs i start work at 8ish and finish at 4:30 5 days a week....... sucks to be you

[sil3nt]

JimO don't forget to mention your 20 inch cock that slays hundreds of girls each night :yes:

[Latte]

Why do you need them open on a sunday, why can't you go mon-sat instead?

[JimO]

JimO don't forget to mention your 20 inch cock that slays hundreds of girls each night :yes:

why, i dont have a 20 inch cock

[nzspokes]

Why do you need them open on a sunday, why can't you go mon-sat instead?

As ive said before, what if you work 6 days?

[sil3nt]

Why do you need them open on a sunday, why can't you go mon-sat instead?I work Mon-Sat and motorcycle stores should be open around my timetable :brick:

[Latte]

As ive said before, what if you work 6 days?

Just change your timetable to suit theirs, it's not asking that much is it?

[nzspokes]

Just change your timetable to suit theirs, it's not asking that much is it?

Yes it is. Customer should not have to change there buying patterns to suit retailers.

[JimO]

I work Mon-Sat and motorcycle stores should be open around my timetable :brick:

you could always make an appointment im sure if your serious about buying they will stay back one night for you, unless of course you just wantto kick tyres

[JimO]

Yes it is. Customer should not have to change there buying patterns to suit retailers.

most bike shops are on trade me and TM is open 24hrs

[Latte]

Yes it is. Customer should not have to change there buying patterns to suit retailers.

Interesting , do you bank much?

[Virago]

If there was money in it they would.


...if you could hire somebody to work the extra day and still give you the time off but still make a profit would you not try?...

Your answer has already been given above.

You can be sure that if it was going to be profitable, they'd do it. I've seen several bike shops announce longer hours, including Sundays and late nights. It usually lasts no more than six months - due to lack of demand and sales.

But, this is the Kiwi way - we want shops open 24/7, so that we can go and try things out for size before going home to order the stuff over the internet. How dare they not provide that service...?

[nzspokes]

Interesting , do you bank much?

Yes but not at a bank, its what we have the interweb for.

[Latte]

Yes but not at a bank, its what we have the interweb for.

So you didn't expect the banks to start opening sunday for you, instead you found an alternative that the banks offer, that you can use when it suits you?

So if there were alternatives (For example, going to another store that is open, or shopping online) would you use those options instead?

[nzspokes]

So you didn't expect the banks to start opening sunday for you, instead you found an alternative that the banks offer, that you can use when it suits you?

So if there were alternatives (For example, going to another store that is open, or shopping online) would you use those options instead?

Dont know where you live but my bank is open on Sunday at the mall.

[Latte]

Dont know where you live but my bank is open on Sunday at the mall.

So on a sunday you go to a bank that is open, rather than one that is closed? Did you complain about the closed bank on a public forum?

[jafar]

When I was over in the states a couple of years ago the bike shops were open wednesday to sunday . Closed monday & tuesday, it seemed to be universal there. The theory I assume was that they sold bugger all monday & tuesday as most people had blown their budget over the weekend, so why be open ? A similar situation probably exists here too as most people work monday to friday & get paid before the weekend !

Bike shops are retailers, surely the best time to be open is when the punters have coin in their pockets.:pinch:

[nzspokes]

So on a sunday you go to a bank that is open, rather than one that is closed? Did you complain about the closed bank on a public forum?

Why would I as all the banking I need to do I can do online when I want to. I dont need to look at my money when I transfer it.

But with a motorcycle I would like to at least sit on it before I buy.

[Latte]

Why would I as all the banking I need to do I can do online when I want to. I dont need to look at my money when I transfer it.

But with a motorcycle I would like to at least sit on it before I buy.


With a major purchase like a bike I'd either take some time off work once I have the "chosen few" to make the decision on, or if I was just having a casual look, i'd go to the shops that were open.

Their reasons for not opening Sunday are just as valid to them, as your reasons for not being able to use the other alternatives available to you (other stores, organising time during the week etc) are to you.

[blue rider]

things to consider......

what type of person does work on a Saturday for 4 - 5 hrs for minimum wage?

what type of person does one wants to entrust a shop full of bikes, most of them very expensive, plus the frocks and other gear

how much training need this person to be able to work on its own on a Sunday, and not just sit in a chair waiting for the 4 - 5 hrs minimum wage to pass

will this person only work Sundays.....how long will they stick with the (presumably second) job, before the partner, kids and family will get sick of being alone on every given sunday?

how much will it cost to have someone employed, trained up to scratch (although training and retail in NZ is an oxymoron), and how much will it cost to retain this person, or have that person replaced every couple of weeks.

Retail is not Retail...

[onearmedbandit]

things to consider......

what type of person does work on a Saturday for 4 - 5 hrs for minimum wage?

Why do they have to be minimum wage? Options include closing on a weekday as some other countries traders do and being fully staffed on Sunday, or like the car industry where you have a week day off with a weekend off every couple of weeks. Depending on demand you may only require two commission based sales people staffing it on Sunday, allowing you to rotate staff..


what type of person does one wants to entrust a shop full of bikes, most of them very expensive, plus the frocks and other gear

how much training need this person to be able to work on its own on a Sunday, and not just sit in a chair waiting for the 4 - 5 hrs minimum wage to pass


They will be trained and trusted staff already employed by the business.


will this person only work Sundays.....how long will they stick with the (presumably second) job, before the partner, kids and family will get sick of being alone on every given sunday?

No they will work 5-6 days a week. With a flexible staff rota employees could still have Sundays off. If it works for the business, ie trade is increased, a commission based salesperson will be mostly happy to earn more. If it doesn't work for the business, you'd knock it on the head.


how much will it cost to have someone employed, trained up to scratch (although training and retail in NZ is an oxymoron), and how much will it cost to retain this person, or have that person replaced every couple of weeks.


It won't cost any more, well done properly it shouldn't. And it may actually increase turnover.

[nzspokes]

Why do they have to be minimum wage? Options include closing on a weekday as some other countries traders do and being fully staffed on Sunday, or like the car industry where you have a week day off with a weekend off every couple of weeks. Depending on demand you may only require two commission based sales people staffing it on Sunday, allowing you to rotate staff..



They will be trained and trusted staff already employed by the business.



No they will work 5-6 days a week. With a flexible staff rota employees could still have Sundays off. If it works for the business, ie trade is increased, a commission based salesperson will be mostly happy to earn more. If it doesn't work for the business, you'd knock it on the head.



It won't cost any more, well done properly it shouldn't. And it may actually increase turnover.

You got it. :niceone:

[Woodman]

If you have say 4 experienced staff then rostering can work in their favour.

Every 4th week, they work the Sunday and then have the following Friday off, therefore every month each person gets a 3 day weekend which can be used to plan longer rides, family long weekends etc in advance. Have a junior there to keep them company and do basic serving, polishing bikes, cleaning windows etc.

Its not too hard, but if it isn't viable then its not worth it, and it may be that it will just shift sand e.g. same sales figures but spread over 7 days instead of 5.5 days.

[D3ALN]

Why are Motorcycle shops closed on Sundays? Shops seem to be closing around the country yet they close early on a Saturday and not open on a Sunday. Is this a throwback from the 70s?

I dont believe its staffing issues as every other retail operation handles it fine. Im work in a simular industry and our shops would never think of being closed on Sundays.

Of course in Auckland we have Cycletreads and Motomail open. :love:
most of the time shops are owned and ran by riders themselves got to give them sometime to ride.

[blue rider]

most retail xtras, casuals are paid quite low, hence the high turn over and general low standard of retail staff. (NZ is not a shiny beacon when it comes to the service industry,)
This does not include bike shops as I don't know anything really about them, the dealings so far with the different stores where i bought my gear where hit and miss.
For some reason the buyers in bike shops seem to think that unisex fits ladies -go figure.

in saying that, go to any mall, shop or other retail centre and ask the staff about their wages and their sales bonuses - most likely they will just stare blankly or laugh.

as for rostering again, this assumes that the shop has enough full time staff to do rostering, most retail in NZ is rostered on 1 - 2 full time staff (usually manager/senior sales person) and the rest are casuals, and temps that have fixed hours.


disclaimer, i have started my working career in New Zealand in Retail, albeit the Ladies Frock Industry - i generally was the only one full time employed with about 4 - 5 temps making up the hours I was not working. However if ever anyone of those was sick/or otherwise unable / unwilling guess who went to work.

what is so wrong with having a shop closed one full day a week?

[ynot slow]

With over 20yrs involved in retail selling furniture and my hours went from late night Friday to also include rostered Saturday morning in smaller town,we dropped Friday nights to 6pm,worked well.Next job was one branch open till noon Saturday,main branch 7days,with a few from minor branch doing Sunday roster,usually 2-3 on as boss would be around.The 7day store staff usually did weekend on,then Monday off,and next weekend off type of roster.

At my last position involved with major nationwide chain we did late nights,weekends,stat hols etc,my job involved measuring and quoting onsite so all of us could work any day but totalled 80hr fortnight,some did strange weekend shifts,I did Tue-Fri 8.5hr days and 6.5 on Saturday,ending at 2.30in afternoon,wasn't bad except I missed most stats days off on pay as was my weekend.

In my opinion a school kid can't sell a $3-5000 bed to customers,you need to know the product,hence staff of quality and loyal are rare,and not cheap.

[onearmedbandit]

most retail xtras, casuals are paid quite low, hence the high turn over and general low standard of retail staff. (NZ is not a shiny beacon when it comes to the service industry,)
This does not include bike shops as I don't know anything really about them, the dealings so far with the different stores where i bought my gear where hit and miss.
For some reason the buyers in bike shops seem to think that unisex fits ladies -go figure.

in saying that, go to any mall, shop or other retail centre and ask the staff about their wages and their sales bonuses - most likely they will just stare blankly or laugh.

We are not talking about retail in general here, we are talking specifically about bike stores. The staff in my experience at bike stores are enthusiasts who are mostly well-informed of their products, and who have been doing it for years.


as for rostering again, this assumes that the shop has enough full time staff to do rostering, most retail in NZ is rostered on 1 - 2 full time staff (usually manager/senior sales person) and the rest are casuals, and temps that have fixed hours.

Are you talking mall retail again? I've worked retail in the car industry (and still am), the bike industry and in home electronics. None of those employed 1-2 full time staff with the rest being casuals etc. Everyone was a full-time salesperson.




what is so wrong with having a shop closed one full day a week?

Nothing, if you don't mind possibly inconveniencing a segment of your market who work Monday-Friday or even Saturday, who have commitments (kids sport etc) on Saturday and can't make it down by 12pm (about the time the bike shops here close).

[TOTO]

We my thoughts are that you dont need key staff there every hour your open. Use some cheap part timers and only have the sales floor open on Sundays.

yes but then you will be starting a KB thread that goes something like "Monkey Staff at bike shops dont know their shit, why should I shop in NZ"

Am I not correct ?

[scott411]

yes but then you will be starting a KB thread that goes something like "Monkey Staff at bike shops dont know their shit, why should I shop in NZ"

Am I not correct ?

you get it 100%, there was a thread on here about someone trying to get brake pads for his car, both repco and supercheap had not been able to help him, but a few of us reccomend he go to BNT, they close sundays and saturday afternoon, but get the stuff right and are much better at getting you the right stuff, and normally the same price or cheaper than the big box retail scores and their untrained staff

[Brian d marge]

yea i have 2 houses 5 cars a boat a caravan and 2 motorbikes and 2 dogs i start work at 8ish and finish at 4:30 5 days a week....... sucks to be you

does doesnt it , ....

five cars and two motorbikes , something a miss there


Stephen

[Brian d marge]

Actually, they are open 24hrs a day, seven days a week.
Example. Last Sunday morning I ordered 2 brake rotors and pads from Wemoto in the UK, (170 quid all up. EBC):woohoo:
Finished my morning coffee.
Parts arrived five working days later, with no less than 5 tracking emails sent.

I was not a fan of purchasing online, and bypassing the local shops, but when I get that type of service, and save about $500, then I think I will shop on Sundays more often.:yes:

Tri boys prediction for bike shops over the next 2-5yrs is bleak.MHO

Retailing in general , in fact most consumer activities full stop , as customers want more for less throughout the spectrum ........

Stephen

[Brian d marge]

When I was over in the states a couple of years ago the bike shops were open wednesday to sunday . Closed monday & tuesday, it seemed to be universal there. The theory I assume was that they sold bugger all monday & tuesday as most people had blown their budget over the weekend, so why be open ? A similar situation probably exists here too as most people work monday to friday & get paid before the weekend !

Bike shops are retailers, surely the best time to be open is when the punters have coin in their pockets.:pinch:

Same over here , cept wed is auction day for some. and quite a lot of people will only have one day off a week

also its common to work until 12 at night , if theres work to be done, suck it up and do it ,,,,

Customer is king , as its their money , and if I want it , i need to play nice , simple as that IMHO

Stephen

[onearmedbandit]

Yup that's what I don't understand. There are customers who would love to spend their money on Sundays, yet the bike shop contingent can only think of reason not to want to have Sunday takings. The car industry did it, I'm sure the bike lot could do it too. Just saying.

[scott411]

Yup that's what I don't understand. There are customers who would love to spend their money on Sundays, yet the bike shop contingent can only think of reason not to want to have Sunday takings. The car industry did it, I'm sure the bike lot could do it too. Just saying.

around where i am the car franchise dealers are shut sundays as well, its only the second hand dealers that are open that only need a salesmen on, and most of them have closed up or gone bust,

[Robert Taylor]

yes but then you will be starting a KB thread that goes something like "Monkey Staff at bike shops dont know their shit, why should I shop in NZ"

Am I not correct ?

My thoughts exactly, and frankly that statement is an issue with many shops already. And then it will be ''the sales side is open but I couldnt get my bike serviced''. This is a hiding to nowhere, particularly given that there are too many bike shops in NZ and with Sunday trading the cost of opening to returns ratio can be crippling, especially in smaller provincial towns that represent about two thirds of the population.
Sundays are traditionally a day of rest and recreation, lets largely keep it that way.

[nzspokes]

yes but then you will be starting a KB thread that goes something like "Monkey Staff at bike shops dont know their shit, why should I shop in NZ"

Am I not correct ?

No that just means the staff training is no good.

Its funny how that one point gets picked on. Part timers can do the non-key jobs like booking in stock, greeting customers, restocking and cleaning. Also you can get them to complete the sale, you dont need a degree to run a eftpos machine.

[nzspokes]

Sundays are traditionally a day of rest and recreation, lets largely keep it that way.

Key word there is "traditionally". The world moved on, you may not agree with it but it has.

[scott411]

No that just means the staff training is no good.

Its funny how that one point gets picked on. Part timers can do the non-key jobs like booking in stock, greeting customers, restocking and cleaning. Also you can get them to complete the sale, you dont need a degree to run a eftpos machine.

there are very few bike shops that just have a cashier as you say, in a bigger dealership it may be possible, but most of the people that work in spares and sales need to know something, and getting good part timers is near impossible,

[JimO]

does doesnt it , ....

five cars and two motorbikes , something a miss there


Stephen

not everybody's life revolves around motorbikes

[Robert Taylor]

Key word there is "traditionally". The world moved on, you may not agree with it but it has.

Respectfully I would suggest that large scale or Sunday trading being the norm is not neccessarily a good part of the world ''moving on.'' Read Scott 411s posts. He is a dealer pricipal of one of the very very best dealers in the country, he just might know a thing or two about the very real issues of Sunday trading, and running dealerships in general. Its easy to oversimplify and state that dealer training is sub standard, if only it were simple to rectify, not only with the motorcycle trade.

[Robert Taylor]

not everybody's life revolves around motorbikes

Very very correct and obvious

[Crasherfromwayback]

Yup that's what I don't understand. There are customers who would love to spend their money on Sundays, yet the bike shop contingent can only think of reason not to want to have Sunday takings. The car industry did it, I'm sure the bike lot could do it too. Just saying.

It'll never work. Can't compare bike shops to car shops.

[oneofsix]

I don't see why the bike shops can't be open 24/7 365 days a year. There staff are all bikers so why would they ever want to leave and they would have all the life they ever wanted. I am sure the bike shop staff can organise there other needs around these opening times just because some in the general public can't manage to shop for bikes during the restricted hours they are now open.
:jerry:

[Robert Taylor]

It'll never work. Can't compare bike shops to car shops.

( Cynically ) I am sure you are wrong Pete! Anyone can do it and training can be done in the blink of an eye. I suggest that as these guys have all the answers let them try it. Given that we have both been in the industry for more than a few orbits of the sun and are clearly blinkered we just dont know what we are talking about and are not prepared to look at it from outside the circle!!!

[Crasherfromwayback]

( Cynically ) I am sure you are wrong Pete! Anyone can do it and training can be done in the blink of an eye. I suggest that as these guys have all the answers let them try it. Given that we have both been in the industry for more than a few orbits of the sun and are clearly blinkered we just dont know what we are talking about and are not prepared to look at it from outside the circle!!!

Hahaha...yep. 25 years now and counting for me. Five different dealerships in total. Three here in Wellington, and two in Brisbane. But seriously...good luck to anyone that does Sundays, they deserve some extra business. But it'll mainly be the under prepared rider that's forgotten a last minute small thing rather than new bike purchases.

[SS90]

We all know that this subject has been done to death, but, I can also see good reason for it to be raised once or twice a year.

The answers are always the same, and rather than going into (repeated) detail, I can (once again) sum it up (as already been done in this thread)...

If it worked, every bike shop would be doing it, most have tried it, all revert back to 5.5 day a week trading.

Simple.... No silly comments, no rubbish, just the reality.

[Crasherfromwayback]

If it worked, every bike shop would be doing it, most have tried it, all revert back to 5.5 day a week trading.

Simple.... No silly comments, no rubbish, just the reality.

100% correct.

[onearmedbandit]

( Cynically ) I am sure you are wrong Pete! Anyone can do it and training can be done in the blink of an eye. I suggest that as these guys have all the answers let them try it. Given that we have both been in the industry for more than a few orbits of the sun and are clearly blinkered we just dont know what we are talking about and are not prepared to look at it from outside the circle!!!

Maybe it won't work over here. Maybe that's just the NZ way. But it sure as hell works overseas. I know, I've spent money in these places on Sundays.

[onearmedbandit]

around where i am the car franchise dealers are shut sundays as well, its only the second hand dealers that are open that only need a salesmen on, and most of them have closed up or gone bust,

Here in Christchurch all the franchise car dealers are open 7 days, and most used car dealers are as well. We are open until 5pm on Sunday with at least 2 salespeople, the manager and quite often one of the owners, and typically would sell 3-5 cars on any given Sunday with a rush starting from about 3 until closing. We would stand to lose a lot of profit if we were closed on a Sunday.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Maybe it won't work over here. Maybe that's just the NZ way. But it sure as hell works overseas. I know, I've spent money in these places on Sundays.

If the city is big enough it may well. But in lil old NZ...population 4 odd mill? Never. Melborne has what...6 million people? There's your answer.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Here in Christchurch all the franchise car dealers are open 7 days, and most used car dealers are as well. We are open until 5pm on Sunday with at least 2 salespeople, the manager and quite often one of the owners, and typically would sell 3-5 cars on any given Sunday with a rush starting from about 3 until closing. We would stand to lose a lot of profit if we were closed on a Sunday.

Nearly everyone in NZ has a car though. Motorcyclists are the minority. We simply don't have the number of motorcyclists to make it worth it.

[onearmedbandit]

If the city is big enough it may well. But in lil old NZ...population 4 odd mill? Never. Melborne has what...6 million people? There's your answer.


Nearly everyone in NZ has a car though. Motorcyclists are the minority. We simply don't have the number of motorcyclists to make it worth it.

Ah so it's a population issue. Not a 'recreational day' thing, or a 'staff training' thing, or any issue raised by those in the industry. Glad we got that sorted. Mind you, Melbourne has 4 odd million, ChCh 400,000, yet we still sell cars on Sundays. And I bet motorcyclists are the minority in Melbourne as well. And they'd have more bike stores than ChCh too.

But like you guys have said, it won't work.

[HenryDorsetCase]

We all know that this subject has been done to death, but, I can also see good reason for it to be raised once or twice a year.

The answers are always the same, and rather than going into (repeated) detail, I can (once again) sum it up (as already been done in this thread)...

If it worked, every bike shop would be doing it, most have tried it, all revert back to 5.5 day a week trading.

Simple.... No silly comments, no rubbish, just the reality.

Linsday Williamson down here (Chch motorcycles) used to do all day Saturday, Monday, Tuesday closed, Wednesday Thursday Friday. It was a lifesaver to a young chump needing something on a Saturday.

One thing though: I get that a lot of the industry types are saying "Well its only the tyre kickers who will come in at the weekend, or people who want to shop" but given that those same industry types say "no margin in new bike sales" then does it not make sense to be open for the stuff that gives you your biggest GP? (presumably shit like oil filters, oil, gloves, jackets etc). And while you're at it, get a coffee machine and let the punters BUY a proper coffee. (good margin in that).

I dunno: it just strikes me that for a lot of us, the retail side is important, and often the weekends are the only time we get to indulge it.

Oh, and I'll take a pair of Alpinestars Scouts, size 41. :)

[HenryDorsetCase]

Ah so it's a population issue. Not a 'recreational day' thing, or a 'staff training' thing, or any issue raised by those in the industry. Glad we got that sorted. Mind you, Melbourne has 4 odd million, ChCh 400,000, yet we still sell cars on Sundays. And I bet motorcyclists are the minority in Melbourne as well. And they'd have more bike stores than ChCh too.

But like you guys have said, it won't work. the Melbourne ones are seven day a week? or no? whenever I have been there I am on holiday so its a weekday.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Ah so it's a population issue. Not a 'recreational day' thing, or a 'staff training' thing, or any issue raised by those in the industry. Glad we got that sorted. Mind you, Melbourne has 4 odd million, ChCh 400,000, yet we still sell cars on Sundays. And I bet motorcyclists are the minority in Melbourne as well. And they'd have more bike stores than ChCh too.



It's all of the above for me mate!

And yes, Christchurch has 400,000 people, nearly all of whom own a car. How many of the 400,000 own a bike do you think? Melborne probably has 400,000 bike riders.

[HenryDorsetCase]

Nearly everyone in NZ has a car though. Motorcyclists are the minority. We simply don't have the number of motorcyclists to make it worth it.

fair call.

[scott411]

i thought aussie were the same as us, and closed sundays, i just looked up Peter Stevens Motorcycles `(only bike shop i could remember in melbourne) and all their branches in victoria are closed sunday, and all have reduced saturday times as well,

[scott411]

Here in Christchurch all the franchise car dealers are open 7 days, and most used car dealers are as well. We are open until 5pm on Sunday with at least 2 salespeople, the manager and quite often one of the owners, and typically would sell 3-5 cars on any given Sunday with a rush starting from about 3 until closing. We would stand to lose a lot of profit if we were closed on a Sunday.

I think auckland city may be different, but all the dealers in pukeokhe and south auckland close sundays, and i know all Ebbots branches through the waikato all close sundays as well,

[Brian d marge]

not everybody's life revolves around motorbikes

Doh,,,I knew I something was amiss, hey what can I say I like mucking around with em ....


I was talking to a friend yesterday bout this subject , and he said when I first came to Japan I was exactly the same, IE , oh I would never work on the weekends , but it really is just a name of a day in the week

in fact now I prefer the weekdays of as everything open and there are ,,less people and I still get quality time with my 2 boys ..


Just a mind set , that people need to get the head around ...

The Romans had an eight day week called Nudina ( Sp) with market day on the first day ....


Stephen

[Brian d marge]

Linsday Williamson down here (Chch motorcycles) used to do all day Saturday, Monday, Tuesday closed, Wednesday Thursday Friday. It was a lifesaver to a young chump needing something on a Saturday.

One thing though: I get that a lot of the industry types are saying "Well its only the tyre kickers who will come in at the weekend, or people who want to shop" but given that those same industry types say "no margin in new bike sales" then does it not make sense to be open for the stuff that gives you your biggest GP? (presumably shit like oil filters, oil, gloves, jackets etc). And while you're at it, get a coffee machine and let the punters BUY a proper coffee. (good margin in that).

I dunno: it just strikes me that for a lot of us, the retail side is important, and often the weekends are the only time we get to indulge it.

Oh, and I'll take a pair of Alpinestars Scouts, size 41. :)

My thoughts exactly ,

Mr Williamson, I helped him bring an old Commer van back from Sockburn a few ( too many) years ago , back when they were in Tuam st , and there was a bike shop next door , called Motivation I think , with a fella called , Gary ? ( I think I bought a bike of him , a suzuki 100 )
Are they still around ?

I would be happy to sell you a pair of Alpinestars , in a size 41 .

Stephen

[Crasherfromwayback]

, and there was a bile shop next door ,

Only bile shops left now are in China.:innocent:

[Brian d marge]

Only bile shops left now are in China.:innocent:


well spotted ,( and a nice reply ) blasted spell check again ,,,,,,,

Stephen

[Brian d marge]

Had a few min , so had a quick trawl on the internet ...


Strangely I Indian bike shop didn’t tend to post the opening times , but here are a few I found ;

renegade classics America

STORE HOURS

Open 7 Days a Week

Mon-Sat 10-6

Sunday 12-6

Orange county mc California
Monday 9:00AM - 6:00PM
Tuesday 9:00AM - 6:00PM
Wednesday 9:00AM - 6:00PM
Thursday 9:00AM - 6:00PM
Friday 9:00AM - 6:00PM
Saturday 9:00AM - 5:00PM
Sunday Gone Ridin'


Suzuki lecs England
Opening Hours
Monday Closed
Tuesday - Friday 9:00 - 5:30
Saturday 9 - 4:30
Sunday Closed

Frettons England
OPENING HOURS 8:00AM - 17:15PM TUESDAY - SATURDAY

Kawasaki harrisburg America
Monday Closed
Tuesday 8:30AM - 5:30PM
Wednesday 8:30AM - 5:30PM
Thursday 8:30AM - 5:30PM
Friday 8:30AM - 5:30PM
Saturday 8:30AM - 3:00PM
Sunday Closed

Cork motorcycles ( Ireland )

Open from 9am to 5:45pm Monday to Friday and 9am to 5pm Saturday,


Seems Sunday is the sabbath day ....

Stephen

[Maha]

Motorcycle Shops are closed on Sundays because..........they want to.:motu:

[Crasherfromwayback]

Motorcycle Shops are closed on Sundays because..........they want to.:motu:

Funny thing is...most of the people complaining about us not doing Sundays would likely shit themselves if they had to.

[CHOPPA]

We tried opening on Sundays when I worked for Action in Ozzy but we stopped after a few months because it was so slow.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Why not?
10ch

Cars have got two too many wheels.

[jasonu]

Cars have got two too many wheels.

Fair enough. I had tried to delete this post as I had already found the answers by reading more recient posts but thanks anyway.
BTW none of the bike shops here open on Sunday.

[rphenix]

If you have say 4 experienced staff then rostering can work in their favour.

Every 4th week, they work the Sunday and then have the following Friday off, therefore every month each person gets a 3 day weekend which can be used to plan longer rides, family long weekends etc in advance. Have a junior there to keep them company and do basic serving, polishing bikes, cleaning windows etc.

Its not too hard, but if it isn't viable then its not worth it, and it may be that it will just shift sand e.g. same sales figures but spread over 7 days instead of 5.5 days.

How many bosses do rosters like that though? Nope most of them will pick Tuesday its usually a quiet day and works best for them as your next "day off".

Not to mention, people generally like seeing their spouses, chances are the spouse gets the whole weekend off.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Fair enough. I had tried to delete this post as I had already found the answers by reading more recient posts but thanks anyway.
BTW none of the bike shops here open on Sunday.

Yeah I mean...only my take on it, but bike shops are frequented by bike freaks. Car yards not normally so.

[imdying]

How many bosses do rosters like that though? Nope most of them will pick Tuesday its usually a quiet day and works best for them as your next "day off".

Not to mention, people generally like seeing their spouses, chances are the spouse gets the whole weekend off.My how fucking terrible. This is why many can't afford mortgages in this country, too fucking precious to put up with a little suffering to ensure their family gets ahead.

[ktm84mxc]

Rosters can be made to work as a Chef for over 30 yrs I can attest to the strains it puts on a family working 12 hrs on Xmas day for 16 yrs in a row, the employers attitude is if you can't work that day they can't employ you for the other 364.
I've worked part time in several bike shops over the years in Auk (mainly cause I enjoy being around them) and have seen the demise of many , opening on sunday wouldn't have saved them. The shops that appear to be surviving are more geared for farm/trail in the rural areas and central urban areas with a high retail spend.

[HenryDorsetCase]

My thoughts exactly ,

Mr Williamson, I helped him bring an old Commer van back from Sockburn a few ( too many) years ago , back when they were in Tuam st , and there was a bike shop next door , called Motivation I think , with a fella called , Gary ? ( I think I bought a bike of him , a suzuki 100 )
Are they still around ?

I would be happy to sell you a pair of Alpinestars , in a size 41 .

Stephen

Gary Boote maybe? brother of John?

Gary (IIRC) had a nice wee collection of Jap classics (all the good stuff) but sold them all off about 5 years ago. he now sells cars from a site on Brougham St, and does car park security. I think.

Lindsay I think is still around, moved out to Hornby, bringing in stuff from the states, and helicopter and airplane parts.

We are going back a ways though, huh? I was shopping there when I was 18 or 19 so nearly 30 years ago!

fucking hell: time flies

[Crasherfromwayback]

My how fucking terrible. This is why many can't afford mortgages in this country, too fucking precious to put up with a little suffering to ensure their family gets ahead.

How many days a week do you work?

[Brian d marge]

Gary Boote maybe? brother of John?

Gary (IIRC) had a nice wee collection of Jap classics (all the good stuff) but sold them all off about 5 years ago. he now sells cars from a site on Brougham St, and does car park security. I think.

Lindsay I think is still around, moved out to Hornby, bringing in stuff from the states, and helicopter and airplane parts.

We are going back a ways though, huh? I was shopping there when I was 18 or 19 so nearly 30 years ago!

fucking hell: time flies

Tell me about it ..... and I remember , when I first arrived in Japan , spectrum , an export business here , sold Linssay a airplane for parts , " I wondered" at the time what the ell he was up to !

Stephen

and it was only yesterday if you dont mind!!! .....:sweatdrop

[Brian d marge]

Funny thing is...most of the people complaining about us not doing Sundays would likely shit themselves if they had to.


Who are you talking for , the one you know or the ones you don’t know ? or assuming?

Stephen

[Crasherfromwayback]

Who are you talking for , the one you know or the ones you don’t know ? or assuming?

Stephen

All of the above.

[imdying]

How many days a week do you work?Six, by choice. Tuesday off would be nice, quieter roads. I suppose I probably could have it off too, if I wanted.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Six, by choice. Tuesday off would be nice, quieter roads. I suppose I probably could have it off too, if I wanted.

Which day of the seven we have don't you currently work?

[JimO]

your not going to be lying on your death bed wishing you had done a few extra hrs in the shop

[jafar]

Same over here , cept wed is auction day for some. and quite a lot of people will only have one day off a week

also its common to work until 12 at night , if theres work to be done, suck it up and do it ,,,,

Customer is king , as its their money , and if I want it , i need to play nice , simple as that IMHO

Stephen

It would work for me , I can't get near a bike shop during the week & have to race around the ones that do have have something I want on a saturday morning.

[Woodman]

How many bosses do rosters like that though? Nope most of them will pick Tuesday its usually a quiet day and works best for them as your next "day off".

Not to mention, people generally like seeing their spouses, chances are the spouse gets the whole weekend off.

I did it, shit its only working one sunday a month, and god forbid theres no extreme 6 day stretch without a break.

[tigertim20]

My how fucking terrible. This is why many can't afford mortgages in this country, too fucking precious to put up with a little suffering to ensure their family gets ahead.

You aint gonna have to worry about a family if you work 7 days a week, youll come home to find your missus' mouth full of some-one else's cock cos you werent around to give her the railing she deserved (and needed).

If bike shops were open Sundays, I wouldnt use them. why? Im out fucking riding! as i think most bikers would be.
besides, does it really bother people that much that a shop DARES to be closed once in a while? so fucking what.
deal with it!

[ynot slow]

Mant a retail outlet are happy to stay open if the customer ASKS,many bike shops close after 5pm,well I know in Hawera they did usually till 5.30pm,although hours on door may say 5pm.

I know my old boss would be at work till 6-7pm,and start at 7am if needed,and many a time customers would ask me if they could come in after 5pm due to their rosters,or farming schedules during calving meant they could buy after 6pm,we often did that for a sale,sure it might be $3000 so worth it.

[onearmedbandit]

You aint gonna have to worry about a family if you work 7 days a week, youll come home to find your missus' mouth full of some-one else's cock cos you werent around to give her the railing she deserved (and needed).



Where in this thread is anyone suggesting people work 7 days????

[Brian d marge]

your not going to be lying on your death bed wishing you had done a few extra hrs in the shop

fkin oath Ill will

a chop shop . a ladies of ill repute shop

a cake shop

a stop an shop

or as in the last words of Steve Jobs ," oh wow wow......"


You are looking at it the wrong way, , IF you are in retailing , you are there to serve the customer , IF the customer likes you service and say thank you, ,,,consider that your rich reward

I do, honestly , ( and there are those on KB who know this )......... when I get that thank you from a happy custmer , I am the richest man alive

( post script, 99 % wont know what the fk im talking about , and it bothers me how much , ,,,well if you use the inverse square of the wanks I have had , there is a good starting point )


if you want a pair of boots and its Sunday,,, ask me and I will move heaven and earth to get you those boots , that why I CHOSE this trade

Stephen

[ynot slow]

You are looking at it the wrong way, , IF you are in retailing , you are there to serve the customer , IF the customer likes you service and say thank you, ,,,consider that your rich reward

I do, honestly , ( and there are those on KB who know this )......... when I get that thank you from a happy custmer , I am the richest man alive

Stephen

Agree,and when the boss says you have done well this month,here is a $200 bonus this week it is truly gratifying to me.I did a job for a client,she rang my cell phone and left a message saying many thanks for a great job,you were courteous,listened and delivered the product well,and also emailed my boss,the little things like that count,her word of mouth is the best advertising ever,and cheapest as you can't buy that.

[HenryDorsetCase]

You aint gonna have to worry about a family if you work 7 days a week, youll come home to find your missus' mouth full of some-one else's cock cos you werent around to give her the railing she deserved (and needed).


..............and they say true love and romance are dead. Clearly not

[scott411]

You are looking at it the wrong way, , IF you are in retailing , you are there to serve the customer , IF the customer likes you service and say thank you, ,,,consider that your rich reward

its a pretty good feeling, even better when they bring you a box of piss to say it, but to have a school give you a reward for raising 20k for them on trail ride, you could not do this if you were open in the hope of selling a pair of boots,

going for a ride with 5 mates in a wicked riding spot is wicked,

closing on a sunday when a minorty of people want to use you is not bad business set, many bikes shops have tried to open sundays and they have all found it to be slow and have given up, esp in the mixed road/offroad/atv shop which make up the majority of the regional towns/citys, a few have made it work,

in the end i work out you would need to sell an extra 20% worth of bikes and gear to make it worth while, maybe a bit less if you closed a monday to make up for it, and the majority of shops out there do not think it is worth it, even a medium size shop it would take 4-5 people to open the shop for a reasonable level of service,

[Crasherfromwayback]

And on the well informed post from Scott...I'm officially out of this thread. It'll resurface in another year or so.

[Maha]

And on the well informed post from Scott...I'm officially out of this thread. It'll resurface in another year or so.

...and by then you'll be working Sundays.....unoffically :apumpin:

[Robert Taylor]

...and by then you'll be working Sundays.....unoffically :apumpin:

Many business owners like myself are as near as dammit working 7 days a week, thousands on welfare depend on us

[Robert Taylor]

its a pretty good feeling, even better when they bring you a box of piss to say it, but to have a school give you a reward for raising 20k for them on trail ride, you could not do this if you were open in the hope of selling a pair of boots,

going for a ride with 5 mates in a wicked riding spot is wicked,

closing on a sunday when a minorty of people want to use you is not bad business set, many bikes shops have tried to open sundays and they have all found it to be slow and have given up, esp in the mixed road/offroad/atv shop which make up the majority of the regional towns/citys, a few have made it work,

in the end i work out you would need to sell an extra 20% worth of bikes and gear to make it worth while, maybe a bit less if you closed a monday to make up for it, and the majority of shops out there do not think it is worth it, even a medium size shop it would take 4-5 people to open the shop for a reasonable level of service,

Hear hear! Yes we are here to provide service but not to bankrupt ourselves in doing so.

[Maha]

Many business owners like myself are as near as dammit working 7 days a week, thousands on welfare depend on us

...hahahaa...too true!...but why stop there, can you squeeze in an 8th day so more of us can work a little easier?

[nodrog]

Why cant motorcyclists organise themselves better, so they dont need to whinge about a motorcycle shop not being open on a sunday?

[Latte]

Why cant motorcyclists organise themselves better, so they dont need to whinge about a motorcycle shop not being open on a sunday?

I see what you did there...

[Brian d marge]

its a pretty good feeling, even better when they bring you a box of piss to say it, but to have a school give you a reward for raising 20k for them on trail ride, you could not do this if you were open in the hope of selling a pair of boots,

going for a ride with 5 mates in a wicked riding spot is wicked,

closing on a sunday when a minorty of people want to use you is not bad business set, many bikes shops have tried to open sundays and they have all found it to be slow and have given up, esp in the mixed road/offroad/atv shop which make up the majority of the regional towns/citys, a few have made it work,

in the end i work out you would need to sell an extra 20% worth of bikes and gear to make it worth while, maybe a bit less if you closed a monday to make up for it, and the majority of shops out there do not think it is worth it, even a medium size shop it would take 4-5 people to open the shop for a reasonable level of service,
Said before, that’s the future of the Motorcycle shop , and those that work at something they truly love , , well it doesn’t get much better

Oh btw those trail rides are great don’t stop !

Would love to try on my Enfield

Stephen

[Robert Taylor]

Said before, that’s the future of the Motorcycle shop , and those that work at something they truly love , , well it doesn’t get much better

Oh btw those trail rides are great don’t stop !

Would love to try on my Enfield

Stephen

I used to like motorcycles, but having now been in the industry for 37 odd years ''the love'' is really no longer there

[scott411]

I used to like motorcycles, but having now been in the industry for 37 odd years ''the love'' is really no longer there

thats a shame, i still love riding a bike more than anything, and running the events and seeing a heap of people having a huge smile on there face never gets old either,

[Brian d marge]

I used to like motorcycles, but having now been in the industry for 37 odd years ''the love'' is really no longer there

only thirty years , this end , but if you are talking about being a mechanic , or something like that I can agree whole heartily

but organizing MX day is still with in the business , just in a different way ....I use the computer a lot and a whole new area has opened up , CFD , CAD etc

its the same with the wife , but that young thing down the road , well "I’m interested , with a capital IN "


Stephen

[jafar]

"Come in and Experience the difference." :clap:

* Open 7 days a week :bleh:

[Shaun]

Many business owners like myself are as near as dammit working 7 days a week, thousands on welfare depend on us


Thanks Rob, I will be back on the 17th and into SW on Monday to sign up, hahahah work harder ya bastard

[Shaun]

I used to like motorcycles, but having now been in the industry for 37 odd years ''the love'' is really no longer there



Funny that mate, Kay tells me you used love women also, kinda like bikes for you I guess, there are only PARTS of both you still like:bleh:

[Katman]

fk I charge more than that on a weekday ,,,,

Just read this out round the office, given us a good laugh, where do we send the money to ???


Stephen

Give me $100 an hour in New Zealand over $200 an hour in Tokyo any day.

[nuts]

TSS Red Baron are open 9am to 4pm on Sundays for Parts and accessories only :yes:

[Mully Clown]

The problem isn't the bike shop. It's the rest of the work force and trying to stick to the 9-5 (err 8-6) Monday-Friday working week.

The ideal working week would be 'four days on, four days off'. Sometimes your 'weekend' wouldn't actually fall on a weekend but the shops would be open. Added bonus being able to take a 12-day holiday while only taking four days off work.

[scott411]

The problem isn't the bike shop. It's the rest of the work force and trying to stick to the 9-5 (err 8-6) Monday-Friday working week.

The ideal working week would be 'four days on, four days off'. Sometimes your 'weekend' wouldn't actually fall on a weekend but the shops would be open. Added bonus being able to take a 12-day holiday while only taking four days off work.

but if you want to play sport, or race bikes, they all go on the weekend, or a certain day during the week, so the 4 on 4 off would see you having to take holidays every second week to keep up with this

[jasonu]

The problem isn't the bike shop. It's the rest of the work force and trying to stick to the 9-5 (err 8-6) Monday-Friday working week.

The ideal working week would be 'four days on, four days off'. Sometimes your 'weekend' wouldn't actually fall on a weekend but the shops would be open. Added bonus being able to take a 12-day holiday while only taking four days off work.

Wot that guy said!!!!!

[Kickaha]

The ideal working week would be 'four days on, four days off'. .

Ideal for who? certainly not for most people I know

[DMNTD]

I used to like motorcycles, but having now been in the industry for 37 odd years ''the love'' is really no longer there

Yep but I lost 'it' much sooner...so I sprayed and walked away!!
Looking forward to actually appreciating the bikes in my shed instead of simply looking at them thinking that they are just another bloody couple of bikes.

Hang around a strip bar long enough and you soon realise that a set of perky tits are just another set of perky tits :wait:

[tigertim20]

Yep but I lost 'it' much sooner...so I sprayed and walked away!!
Looking forward to actually appreciating the bikes in my shed instead of simply looking at them thinking that they are just another bloody couple of bikes.

Hang around a strip bar long enough and you soon realise that a set of perky tits are just another set of perky tits :wait:

Thats exactly why I decided against being a gynecologist . . .

[DrunkenMistake]

Thats exactly why I decided against being a gynecologist . . .

Because your more of a pedocologist... 'mmmm'

[tigertim20]

Because your more of a pedocologist... 'mmmm'

At least I slow down for schools:laugh:

[Mully Clown]

I had some nice new tyres fitted today (Sunday). So not all bike shops are closed on Sundays.