New tyres, options?

[tigertim20]

Hey.

Need a new rear desperately. Had a look on Tardme at whats out there.
Found a few, but frankly, tyres are just something I destroy, I usually rely on others for info about what ones are going to be right for me.
These days I mostly use the bike for spirited rides. Hardly any commuting at all, and the odd trackday.
Im hoping you guys can tell me which of these might be best for my needs on an R1?

http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/parts-for-sale/tyres/auction-426217788.htm
http://www.trademe.co.nz/Browse/Listing.aspx?id=426148313
http://www.trademe.co.nz/Browse/Listing.aspx?id=426598858
http://www.trademe.co.nz/Browse/Listing.aspx?id=427378829

You reckon any of these would be good for what I want?

Before anyone starts on the "get a front and rear that match" - I have plenty of tread on the front at the momment, but the rear is as bald as my ex's pussy. Finances allow ONLY the rear at the momment, but I will replace the front with a new tyre to match whatever I put on the rear in a month or so.

Any help appreciated.:Punk:

[Hitcher]

A sports touring tyre will be more than adequate for the purposes you describe. They run warmer in wet and cold than do "sports" tyres, as well as wearing longer.

Few riders will ever need a sexed up tyre, irrespective of the type of bike or whether or not they think they ride in a "spirited" manner. But they won't believe that, nor will they want to experience the perceived shame of their mates pouring ill informed scorn at their tyre choices. On that basis they'll continue to buy sports tyres. God forbid common sense to prevail.

[DEATH_INC.]

Na, spirited riding/track calls for a 190/55. Go for the supercorsa.

[tigertim20]

A sports touring tyre will be more than adequate for the purposes you describe. They run warmer in wet and cold than do "sports" tyres, as well as wearing longer.

Few riders will ever need a sexed up tyre, irrespective of the type of bike or whether or not they think they ride in a "spirited" manner. But they won't believe that, nor will they want to experience the perceived shame of their mates pouring ill informed scorn at their tyre choices. On that basis they'll continue to buy sports tyres. God forbid common sense to prevail.

my desire for a sportier tyre is due to a 2ct simply not cutting the mustard when pushing. I cant afford track tyres AND road tyres, and nowadays, I barely commute, so I want something that will provide loads of grip - I want something that is road legal for the odd road jaunt, but longevity is not a major factor for me

[DrunkenMistake]

TT's description of 'spirited' ride is commonly refereed to by the police as 'Rider travelling at excessive speed, use caution.'

[RideLife]

Hopefully it's obvious that that's me selling the 190/55 Supercorsa.

I have two to sell, and buying through KB would get you the free freight option, if you decided that was the tyre of choice.

Cheers.
Racey.

[DEATH_INC.]

my desire for a sportier tyre is due to a 2ct simply not cutting the mustard when pushing. I cant afford track tyres AND road tyres, and nowadays, I barely commute, so I want something that will provide loads of grip - I want something that is road legal for the odd road jaunt, but longevity is not a major factor for me
Again, the Supercorsa. I use 'em, no complaints. Even not that bad in the wet.

[tigertim20]

Again, the Supercorsa. I use 'em, no complaints. Even not that bad in the wet.
Hayd3n gives you a good rep, that makes your word good enough for me!!


Hopefully it's obvious that that's me selling the 190/55 Supercorsa.

I have two to sell, and buying through KB would get you the free freight option, if you decided that was the tyre of choice.

Cheers.
Racey.

mint, I want it, but cant get money to you till about the 2nd, if thats enough to snag it off ya?

[Muppet]

A sports touring tyre will be more than adequate for the purposes you describe. They run warmer in wet and cold than do "sports" tyres, as well as wearing longer.

Few riders will ever need a sexed up tyre, irrespective of the type of bike or whether or not they think they ride in a "spirited" manner. But they won't believe that, nor will they want to experience the perceived shame of their mates pouring ill informed scorn at their tyre choices. On that basis they'll continue to buy sports tyres. God forbid common sense to prevail.

Couldn't agree more, I got over 10,000 km out of a set of Michelin Pilot Road 2 CT's. No issues with grip.

[SVboy]

A sports touring tyre will be more than adequate for the purposes you describe. They run warmer in wet and cold than do "sports" tyres, as well as wearing longer.

Few riders will ever need a sexed up tyre, irrespective of the type of bike or whether or not they think they ride in a "spirited" manner. But they won't believe that, nor will they want to experience the perceived shame of their mates pouring ill informed scorn at their tyre choices. On that basis they'll continue to buy sports tyres. God forbid common sense to prevail.

Not quite sure I agree entirely. A majority of us probably overspec the tyres on our bikes for most riding situations, but given the ops description of his riding needs and the failure of a 2ct[a great tyre] to meet his needs, I think he needs a sticky one!! That superCorsa in 190/55 sounds the ticket! I do know what you are saying and have seen racing scrubs on the road, where a good road tyre would perform better, all in the name of vanity!

[DrunkenMistake]

Couldn't agree more, I got over 10,000 km out of a set of Michelin Pilot Road 2 CT's. No issues with grip.
This is his current tyre,

Not quite sure I agree entirely. A majority of us probably overspec the tyres on our bikes for most riding situations, but given the ops description of his riding needs and the failure of a 2ct[a great tyre] to meet his needs, I think he needs a sticky one!! That superCorsa in 190/55 sounds the ticket! I do know what you are saying and have seen racing scrubs on the road, where a good road tyre would perform better, all in the name of vanity!

this is exactly it, he recently attended a track day and thus the destruction of a decent tyre haha

[Hitcher]

Out of necessity, I'm currently running a set of Diablo Rossos. They're no stickier or grippier than Angels or Metzeler Z8s unless one really feeds them some curry on something prolonged, dry and windy.

[caspernz]

my desire for a sportier tyre is due to a 2ct simply not cutting the mustard when pushing. I cant afford track tyres AND road tyres, and nowadays, I barely commute, so I want something that will provide loads of grip - I want something that is road legal for the odd road jaunt, but longevity is not a major factor for me

The 2CT you refer to simply stands for 2 Compound Technology, which is found on most Michelins nowadays. Most of the guys who claim to ride in a "spirited manner" seem to run Pilot Power 2CTs for a reasonable combination of grip and life. Me, I'm happy with a sport touring tyre, even for my spirited riding days....

[been_there]

I hated the 2CT especially in the wet...
Now I have converted to the Battleaxe BT014 and love them. Great on the track and on road use and had no issues in the wet neither!!

[SVboy]

I hated the 2CT especially in the wet...
Now I have converted to the Battleaxe BT014 and love them. Great on the track and on road use and had no issues in the wet neither!!

Thats interesting. I liked the 014 for the whole 5 min they lasted. They had a lousy wet tyre rep however. I rated the PP 2ct a lot better however. Opinions and arseholes I guess!!

[slofox]

I'm on the third set of BT016's. I have learned to trust them so see no need to change.

As Hitcher says, they are probably way better than I am. But I don't mind that. I'd hate to have a tyre that was less capable than I was...always assuming anyone makes a tyre that bad...

[Fast Eddie]

just pick the tread pattern you think is prettiest bro. Its what I do.

[Drew]

Go with the supercorser if it's gonna see track time.

All this talk about other shit being good enough for most people and their ability although probably true, is totally irrelevant. On the track ya want the best, and they are it.

[Fast Eddie]

Go with the supercorser if it's gonna see track time.

All this talk about other shit being good enough for most people and their ability although probably true, is totally irrelevant. On the track ya want the best, and they are it.


awww yea, except the MotoGP lads use bridgestone so.. go the BT016 cause they are the best... :innocent:

[pritch]

awww yea, except the MotoGP lads use bridgestone so.. go the BT016 cause they are the best... :innocent:

:laugh:

Schwantz on Bridgestones:
Most of the issues that seem to be hurting people are these tires. You talk to these riders in the first two laps, and it's just absolute fear. It takes time to get the things up to temperature and get a real feel for them. I don't know exactly what's going on there—have the bikes all gotten that much stiffer in the suspension? I have no idea if there've been that many changes in the bikes. But Valentino stared me straight in the face and said, "Those tires, they scare me."

Or if you want to read the whole thing:
http://www.superbikeplanet.com/2011/Nov/111123x34x34.htm

Sorry OP, none of that helps, but it is good.

[tigertim20]

:laugh:



Sorry OP, none of that helps, but it is good.

all good mate! made my choice now anyways!

[jrandom]

my desire for a sportier tyre is due to a 2ct simply not cutting the mustard

Not on an R1, no.

Still rather have PPs than Supercorsas on the road in the rain, mind you.


Couldn't agree more, I got over 10,000 km out of a set of Michelin Pilot Road 2 CT's

I'm sure you did. Everyone does. They don't grip very well, though. Trade-offs. I wouldn't have them. It's all very well to ride sedately within your tyres' limitations, but you never know when you might suddenly need to do extra braking and turning on account of some form of imminent doom.

Someone mentioned 190/55 rears - I second that. Much betterer for the turning of the motor bicycle than 190/50s.

[slofox]

some form of imminent doom.

Nice turn of phrase that Mr Random..."Imminent doom..." Has a nice ring, dunnit?

[Fast Eddie]

Nice turn of phrase that Mr Random..."Imminent doom..." Has a nice ring, dunnit?

Yea I use the phrase "Imminent Poon" as well, when im bout to get laid..

[tigertim20]

Yea I use the phrase "Imminent Poon" as well, when im bout to get laid..

you must spread . . . . .

[Fast Eddie]

you must spread . . . . .

must spread . . . .

[DrunkenMistake]

you must spread . . . . .



must spread . . . .


We talking about poon?

[Drew]

awww yea, except the MotoGP lads use bridgestone so.. go the BT016 cause they are the best... :innocent:

Since the thread starteer has made his choice, we can talk about whatever we want.

I've only ever ridden on OE BT016's off a new Honda, which are different to what you buy off the shelf I'm told. I seriously hope so, because the ones I rode on are an inferior tyre to the new Shinko sports tyres. I'm not kidding, they are shit! The shinko offered more side grip, more feel, and are really predictable. The 016 was no where near up to the task at this years Cliffhanger hillclimb, and a lot of spectators got to see a very sideways RF900 struggling to hook up.

The great thing about the Supercorser, is how consistent they are. You know exactly when they're gonna let go, and you can play with corner approach and work around it.

[caspernz]

Since the thread starteer has made his choice, we can talk about whatever we want.

The great thing about the Supercorser, is how consistent they are. You know exactly when they're gonna let go, and you can play with corner approach and work around it.

For me the Michelin Power Pure is in the same category, very consistent and predictable, even when starting off in the wet. Mind you, the tyre wear kinda explains why it sticks...

[Fast Eddie]

Since the thread starteer has made his choice, we can talk about whatever we want.

I've only ever ridden on OE BT016's off a new Honda, which are different to what you buy off the shelf I'm told. I seriously hope so, because the ones I rode on are an inferior tyre to the new Shinko sports tyres. I'm not kidding, they are shit! The shinko offered more side grip, more feel, and are really predictable. The 016 was no where near up to the task at this years Cliffhanger hillclimb, and a lot of spectators got to see a very sideways RF900 struggling to hook up.

The great thing about the Supercorser, is how consistent they are. You know exactly when they're gonna let go, and you can play with corner approach and work around it.

The OE ones must be shit..

[Fast Eddie]

For me the Michelin Power Pure is in the same category, very consistent and predictable, even when starting off in the wet. Mind you, the tyre wear kinda explains why it sticks...


haha yip ^ I ran thru a michelin rear prrettty quick. the sticky Bridgestones aren't much better though, chewed thru that bridgey rear pretty quick. I guess if we want em to last longer.. ride slower

"God has fire and brimstone, I have a fireblade on bridgestone"

[Nastrond]

I'm running BT 016's front and rear but when these are done will probably go with a dual compound like the super corsa's. More a case of have it and not need it rather than need it and not have it:ride:

[RideLife]

One Supercorsa gone to a good home.

One left at clearance price.

2008 190/55-17 SC1 - $270 including freight.

see here (http://www.trademe.co.nz/Browse/Listing.aspx?id=426148313) - any takers?

Racey

[slofox]

I'm running BT 016's front and rear but when these are done will probably go with a dual compound like the super corsa's. More a case of have it and not need it rather than need it and not have it:ride:

Why go to a dual compound from a triple compound..?

"The front BT-016 uses a three-layer compound (3LC), one compound for the center of the tread and a second for both edges. The rear tire goes one step further, however, with 5LC (five-layer compound): The center of the tread is a hard compound for wear, and two successively softer compounds are found between the center and edge of the tread on each side. The transition compound of the rear tire is identical to the front tire's center compound, while the edge compound is the same on both. Furthermore, the center compounds offer high tensile strength in the circumferential direction, while the edge compounds have high tensile strength in the radial direction.

Read more: http://www.sportrider.com/gear/146_0806_bridgestone_bt_016_performance_tire/index.html#ixzz1fQvHWIZu"

[SPP]

Why go to a dual compound from a triple compound..?

"The front BT-016 uses a three-layer compound (3LC), one compound for the center of the tread and a second for both edges. The rear tire goes one step further, however, with 5LC (five-layer compound): The center of the tread is a hard compound for wear, and two successively softer compounds are found between the center and edge of the tread on each side. The transition compound of the rear tire is identical to the front tire's center compound, while the edge compound is the same on both. Furthermore, the center compounds offer high tensile strength in the circumferential direction, while the edge compounds have high tensile strength in the radial direction.

Read more: http://www.sportrider.com/gear/146_0806_bridgestone_bt_016_performance_tire/index.html#ixzz1fQvHWIZu"

Less is more apparently, see here (http://www.motorcycle-usa.com/545/8285/Motorcycle-Article/2010-Street-Motorcycle-Tire-Comparison.aspx)

[Nastrond]

Less is more apparently, see here (http://www.motorcycle-usa.com/545/8285/Motorcycle-Article/2010-Street-Motorcycle-Tire-Comparison.aspx)Interesting read. Probably due to cost more than anything else but the OEM BT 016's tyre's that came with my Suzuki differ significantly from the commercially available ones as they probably do on any new bike. Also the BT 016's have been round for quite a while and newer compounds have come to the fore.

I read quite a lot of motorcycle articles and tyre's are one of the topics I tend to take most notice of as they are one of the main components that keep $20,000 from sliding down the road.

Obviously you can't try before you buy so I read quite a lot of reviews from users and manufactures alike and the super corsa's always seem to come out quite well as do the Michelin Pure's. At the end of day there are no bad tyre's from the top manufactures, it's just that some some suit some bikes more than others and also riding style gets thrown into the equation. For me tyre's are the one thing I wouldn't skimp on, on cost.

[hayd3n]

i tend to buy round black ones

[Drew]

Why go to a dual compound from a triple compound..?

"The front BT-016 uses a three-layer compound (3LC), one compound for the center of the tread and a second for both edges. The rear tire goes one step further, however, with 5LC (five-layer compound): The center of the tread is a hard compound for wear, and two successively softer compounds are found between the center and edge of the tread on each side. The transition compound of the rear tire is identical to the front tire's center compound, while the edge compound is the same on both. Furthermore, the center compounds offer high tensile strength in the circumferential direction, while the edge compounds have high tensile strength in the radial direction.

Read more: http://www.sportrider.com/gear/146_0806_bridgestone_bt_016_performance_tire/index.html#ixzz1fQvHWIZu"
All very tricky and clever to put together I'm sure. But to what end? Any tyre that sees track time wears out on the edges first, so why bother giving away any traction at all to save the tyre where it doesn't wear?

For touring and commuting the multi compound thing makes sense, any other time I think it's a gimmick and a waste of time for anyone who likes to ride on twisty roads.

[SVboy]

All very tricky and clever to put together I'm sure. But to what end? Any tyre that sees track time wears out on the edges first, so why bother giving away any traction at all to save the tyre where it doesn't wear?

For touring and commuting the multi compound thing makes sense, any other time I think it's a gimmick and a waste of time for anyone who likes to ride on twisty roads.

I kind of agree,re the track[My Power ones on my track bike develop a significant step between the soft sides and harder center], but I think dual,multi compounds work well on the road. Even hard out twisties riders spend a significant time on the center of their tyre, so a harder compound is beneficial here imho. The OEM 016 is a very average tyre cf the "aftermarket" one. Bridgestone do themselves no favours here by calling them both 016s.