What a fuckin joke

[tigertim20]

Really?
The useless cunt has never fought a genuine fight in his life, and from what Ive seen, he has the boxing talent of a thalidomide baby. and theyre giving him a shot at the NZ title, against some cunt who has lost MORE fights than he has won.
If that useless cunt wins the title, i swear to god, Ill fight the cunt for it myself.

linky
http://nz.sports.yahoo.com/rugby/news/article/-/12251247/sbw-to-fight-for-heavyweight-belt/

--end of tourettes rant--

[imdying]

No more of a joke than professional boxing itself. These bouts are engineered for bring in revenue, there is no sport involved.

[sil3nt]

His boxing is really embarrassing.

[curly]

It's 2 weeks before the super 15 starts so i hope he gets knocked out:msn-wink:

He should go back to league, he's not all that at rugby.

[imdying]

boxing is really embarrassing.FTFY

A 'sport' where all you do is hit the other person, preferably hard enough to knock them out? Seriously?

Even thugby is a step up from that. Hell I'd rather watch the WWF (they still have that right?), at least they don't hide the fact it's scripted.

[HenryDorsetCase]

FTFY

A 'sport' where all you do is hit the other person, preferably hard enough to knock them out? Seriously?

Even thugby is a step up from that. Hell I'd rather watch the WWF (they still have that right?), at least they don't hide the fact it's scripted.

You've got no idea. Come to my gym. I'll even pay for your first week. Once you have gained a clue, then you can resume your ranting.

serious offer.

[sil3nt]

FTFY

A 'sport' where all you do is hit the other person, preferably hard enough to knock them out? Seriously?

Even thugby is a step up from that. Hell I'd rather watch the WWF (they still have that right?), at least they don't hide the fact it's scripted.:rolleyes: Go practice your lawn bowls then.

[imdying]

You've got no idea.Oh really...


Boxing is a combat sport in which two people fight each other using their fists. The match ends, when an opponent is knocked out or deemed incabable to continue matchIs that or is that not a valid description of boxing? Is the idea to beat another person with your fists or not? If the idea of boxing is not to beat another into submission with your fists then I retract my comment. If it is, then you and your plonker mates are quite free to keep punching each other in the head, I hear that works out really well :rolleyes:

/edit: Whilst we're at it, riddle me this... Boxers I've seen interviewed talk like they've had their brains punched out (funny that). Is that mere coincidence, and you actually have to be that retarded to take up boxing, or was it a result of the boxing itself?

[imdying]

:rolleyes: Go practice your lawn bowls then.Lawn bowls... not very exciting, but at least the competitors need help to wipe their own arses because of their age, not because they chose getting smacked in the head for a sport.

[tigertim20]

Oh really...

Is that or is that not a valid description of boxing? ?

Not. people get knocked out in rugby too.

the point of boxing, like any other sport, is to score as many points, while conceding as few as possible. plenty of fights go the distance and are awarded based on points scored. There are many many skills and techniques used in boxing, - though I will admit that most of the time, Pro fights are boring as fuck . amateur fights are the good ones to watch.

Better yet, watch MMA, much more dynamic, competitors have many more options at their disposal for both defence and attack, but I digress

SBW is a joke.

[HenryDorsetCase]

Oh really...

Is that or is that not a valid description of boxing? Is the idea to beat another person with your fists or not? If the idea of boxing is not to beat another into submission with your fists then I retract my comment. If it is, then you and your plonker mates are quite free to keep punching each other in the head, I hear that works out really well :rolleyes:

/edit: Whilst we're at it, riddle me this... Boxers I've seen interviewed talk like they've had their brains punched out (funny that). Is that mere coincidence, and you actually have to be that retarded to take up boxing, or was it a result of the boxing itself?

Actually no. What you're undoubtedly thinking of is professional boxing, and/or perhaps the "fight for Life" type events which of course made the TV last week because they had Shane Cameron and Monty Beetham involved. (though the best of those fights IMO was the Haley Holt/Paige Hareb fight)

Basically (and I am going to proceed here on the basis that you do not know this, rather than being wilfully ignorant and/or trolling) there are two different sports that share a name, both called boxing. (like, you know, league and union, or, I dunno, MotGP vs Superbikes). Professional boxing is just that: for money. The key indicators are no headgear, no shirts, usually a LOT of rounds, and generally some mayhem. Thats your David Tuas and Shane Camerons. And they're the ones who generally get the early onset Parkinsons and the shakes and all that. Usually later in life and probably as a result of brain injuries sustained as a result of their occupation/profession/living. And while less defensible than amateur boxing, who are you, a motorbike rider FFS to throw stones about people doing something inherently dangerous?

Amateur boxing (so I am talking Olympic style) has mandatory headgear, bigger gloves, and a LOT of rules around safety. If the points discrepancy gets too much, the fight is stopped. Too much blood, the fight is stopped, too many knockdowns (I think two) and the fight is stopped. Plus the competitors generally are very closely physically matched in terms of height and weight. and the fights are shorter.

Basically I get the idea that you dont like it, but its fairly apparent you know nothing about it. My offer stands. Come to my gym. Learn something, get fitter. All the people there are really nice and friendly, even me.

and if you stick at it, you will get fitter: theres no workout like a martial arts workout.

[JimO]

if he was serious he would have gone up against Michael Laws

[SMOKEU]

UFC is much more entertaining than boxing.

[Teflon]

At least they have the balls to get in the ring..

[cmoore]

Yeah...boxing is a stupid dangerous sport.....said in a motorcycle forum.....by people who ride motorbikes.......I wonder what the stats are on deaths / injury through boxing compared to motorcycle riding....

[SMOKEU]

Yeah...boxing is a stupid dangerous sport.....said in a motorcycle forum.....by people who ride motorbikes.......I wonder what the stats are on deaths / injury through boxing compared to motorcycle riding....

It's not just deaths, it's permanent brain injury from being hit in the head too many times.

[mashman]

It's not just deaths, it's permanent brain injury from being hit in the head too many times.

Have you quit boxing yet?

[Thaeos]

mma/ufc is boring. would rather watch a good boxing match.

[curly]

mma/ufc is boring. would rather watch a good boxing match.

I prefer wrestling...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CAJJX-h_lRQ&feature=related

[tigertim20]

A (though the best of those fights IMO was the Haley Holt/Paige Hareb fight)

theres no workout like a martial arts workout.
Haley vs Page was a fucking GREAT fight!! totally agree. And youre on the money re M.A workouts

UFC is much more entertaining than boxing.
+1

mma/ufc is boring. would rather watch a good boxing match.

If you think that, then you need to expand your knowledge base a little more, so that you can see beyond '2 guys rolling around' My wife watches it with me, and when you know whats actually happening, and can see how close these guys are EVERY second on the ground to getting beaten by any number of various chokes, arm bars etc etc etc, its actually often much more exciting that the stand up parts of the fight.

Understanding the ground game is like watching two guys boxing, while being able to simultaneously read both fighters minds in real time - You can see the options they can see, you can see their intentions before they act, both in attack and defense, and its that much more awesome. - I genuinely suggest you try and learn a bit more about it. Joe Rogan (If you can stand his voice) is often on the money with seeing what someone is going for, and exlpaining it to the un-learned viewer in simple terms as the fight progresses.

[imdying]

What you're undoubtedly thinking of is professional boxingDid you even read post #2, or did you just trot in on your high horse guns blazing ready to defend punching other people in the head in the name of 'sport'? Maybe you've taken too many hits already? No, that's right, you're doing amateur so regardless of how many studies link amateur boxing to chronic head trauma, you'll be right :facepalm:

I'm not trying to stop you though, knock yourself out....

[Crasherfromwayback]

Oh really...

Is that or is that not a valid description of boxing? Is the idea to beat another person with your fists or not? If the idea of boxing is not to beat another into submission with your fists then I retract my comment. If it is, then you and your plonker mates are quite free to keep punching each other in the head, I hear that works out really well :rolleyes:



People get knocked out playing all sorts of sports, even dare I say it...racing motorcycles! Get over it. People choose to do shit they enjoy, it's their choice if they wanna give some other cunt the bash and get bashed. I've broken all sorts of things racing over the years, and many think I'm stoopid for having done so, but I would do it all over again for the enjoyment I had racing other stoopid cunts!

[Crasherfromwayback]

I'm not trying to stop you though, knock yourself out....

You're doing it wrong. The idea is to knock the opponent out.

[imdying]

People get knocked out playing all sorts of sports

choose to do shit they enjoy, it's their choice if they wanna give some other cunt the bash and get bashed. IIndeed, even walking down the street you could trip and knock yourself out.

That is a million miles away from trying to punch someone else in the face.

I never suggested anyone should stop boxing if that's what they enjoy.

[caspernz]

Here's my view since I reckon you folks are overthinking this whole thing....

SBW has been roped into this to improve ticket sales to female fans. End of story.

[HenryDorsetCase]

Did you even read post #2, or did you just trot in on your high horse guns blazing ready to defend punching other people in the head in the name of 'sport'? Maybe you've taken too many hits already? No, that's right, you're doing amateur so regardless of how many studies link amateur boxing to chronic head trauma, you'll be right :facepalm:

I'm not trying to stop you though, knock yourself out....

Fuck off.

Hows that?

[Brett]

You've got no idea. Come to my gym. I'll even pay for your first week. Once you have gained a clue, then you can resume your ranting.

serious offer.

Those who haven't done it, don't understand. One of the most physically taxing sports I have done.

[mashman]

Fuck off.

Hows that?

We onto slating cricket now?

[Brett]

Oh really...

Is that or is that not a valid description of boxing? Is the idea to beat another person with your fists or not? If the idea of boxing is not to beat another into submission with your fists then I retract my comment. If it is, then you and your plonker mates are quite free to keep punching each other in the head, I hear that works out really well :rolleyes:

/edit: Whilst we're at it, riddle me this... Boxers I've seen interviewed talk like they've had their brains punched out (funny that). Is that mere coincidence, and you actually have to be that retarded to take up boxing, or was it a result of the boxing itself?

You are right about the head bashing bit. Not at all great for the brain. Nothing like some Parkinsons and Alzheimers in old age to increase ones quality of life. I enjoyed boxing, but glad I no longer do it. Great sport, but in terms of self defence it is only average.

[willytheekid]

Yup...its another pathetic matchup for sonny bill.

Hope he gets his face! broken and learns to pick a sport and stick with it...Im a league player...no wait...Im a rugby player...nah...back to league...wait...rugby....hang on....IM A BOXER NOW!...:laugh:

I studied 3x martial arts over a period of 12yrs, and have nothing but respect for boxers (well...the good ones! lol), its a VERY technical sport that demands control, timing and fitness to the extreme!....love a good boxing match...its just a pitty the sport is corrupt and usually fixed so good bouts are bloody rare.

And as for the "Lazy trainer" sonny is up against...if you don't train...you can't fight! (I havn't trained for yrs!!....and struggle to get a cookie off my 16month old son now days :cry:...he fights dirty!)

[Edbear]

Too many are too quick to point out the risks and injuries of unrelated activities, thereby completely missing the point. The purpose and intent of fighting is to cripple your opponent such that he cannot continue therefore you win. Otherwise, why are the head and torso the only allowable targets? It's not a game of touch rugby, is it? Or fencing where it is the number of times you get through the opponents defence and touch them to get points.

Motorcycling is not a sport where you are out to clobber the other motorcyclists and the whole purpose of motorcycling is NOT to hit anything or anyone! You wear helmets specifically designed to prevent brain injury. In fact, who would want to box, or watch boxing, if the combatants, (interesting description, no?), had to wear the safety gear of a motorcyclist? :doh:

[Clockwork]

Fuck off.

Hows that?

I say old chap. That's not cricket!

[Deano]

Get a life losers.

Boxing, and other martial arts are great. One of the best things to happen in my life for confidence, fitness and self defence.

At least you are weight matched and your opponent stands in front of you - you know they are going to try and take your head off.

Not like being spear tackled, or chopped in half from a side on tackle.

Why are league tackles called hit ups ?

If you can 'take out' a player by tackling them hard as fuck, but legally, isn't that one aim of rugby ?

Of course it is - McCaw and Carter get targetted all the time. If they go off injured, more chance of beating their team.

Boxing is better regulated than rugby too. You get concussed in boxing, instant 3 month lay off. Rugby ?

Was it McDonald that got knocked out 3 times in a season a couple of years ago ? No worries, son, get out there and win the game for us.

You should lobby Govt to ban motorcycles - they are dangerous too.:bleh:

[Oscar]

Really?
The useless cunt has never fought a genuine fight in his life, and from what Ive seen, he has the boxing talent of a thalidomide baby. and theyre giving him a shot at the NZ title, against some cunt who has lost MORE fights than he has won.
If that useless cunt wins the title, i swear to god, Ill fight the cunt for it myself.

linky
http://nz.sports.yahoo.com/rugby/news/article/-/12251247/sbw-to-fight-for-heavyweight-belt/

--end of tourettes rant--

Nice rant.
The Russian Judge gives it a 7.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Nice rant.
The Russian Judge gives it a 7.

How 'bout those two silly old cunts that started a bit of biffo on telly the other night? Ex football players that had a 30 year old grudge or some such thing...

[Oscar]

How 'bout those two silly old cunts that started a bit of biffo on telly the other night? Ex football players that had a 30 year old grudge or some such thing...

That was great.
One guy got in a wicked right hook!

[Crasherfromwayback]

That was great.
One guy got in a wicked right hook!

I only caught a quick bit of it out the corner of my eye. He was the geezer without the cane yeah?

[imdying]

Get a life losers.Getting punched in the face increased your confidence, and you have the temerity to call other people losers? Really? :facepalm:


At least you are weight matched and your opponent stands in front of you - you know they are going to try and take your head off.

Not like being spear tackled, or chopped in half from a side on tackle.

Why are league tackles called hit ups ?Can't argue with that.



You should lobby Govt to ban motorcycles - they are dangerous too.:bleh:Ok you punch drunk git, here's the nice and slooooow version, just so you can understand it. Nobody is trying to stop you from being able to get punched in the face for fun if that's what you want to do. The only people that have suggested that that is where my remarks are aimed at are boxers; presumably because regardless of how many times they've had a beating round the ring, they still recognise at some level that on the whole it's a pretty stupid 'sport'.

[EJK]

Bring back gladiators. Sine missione!

<img width="400" src="http://www.kidcyber.com.au/IMAGES/gladiatorjupit.jpg" />

[HenryDorsetCase]

Shit yeah. Plus as a warmup we get to feed christians to lions. Bonus all round!

[Deano]

Getting punched in the face increased your confidence, and you have the temerity to call other people losers? Really? :facepalm:


You are really good at putting words into other peoples mouths or making assumptions. So good I'm not even going to lower myself to answer that one. If you can't work it out for yourself, then perhaps you are the sloooow one.



Ok you punch drunk git, here's the nice and slooooow version, just so you can understand it. Nobody is trying to stop you from being able to get punched in the face for fun if that's what you want to do. The only people that have suggested that that is where my remarks are aimed at are boxers; presumably because regardless of how many times they've had a beating round the ring, they still recognise at some level that on the whole it's a pretty stupid 'sport'.

And again - who said I was responding directly to your comments ?

I'm not a boxer by the way.

My point is that it's a personal choice, just like riding motorcycles. Seen the stats for motorcycle accidents and the aftermath ? It ain't pretty is it ? It has been discussed on here how legislators are basically trying to outlaw motorcycles, or would do if they could.

Then you come along and bemoan the fact that boxing is called a sport ? And you question why someone would want to do something that involves getting punched in the head ? Hey - get good enough and you don't get hit.......much. LOL

Non motorcyclists ask the same thing about motorcyclists ? Why would you want to do something so dangerous that could fuck you up when you crash. "It's stupid".

[imdying]

You are really good at putting words into other peoples mouths or making assumptions.It's called a straw man, look it up.


And again - who said I was responding directly to your comments ?Who then?


My point is that it's a personal choiceI'm all for that, it's your life. However having that attitude does not preclude me from calling boxing retarded and questioning whether it is really worth of being called sport at all. If we stick to the professional boxing mooted in my first post, then it is definitely not a sport, merely entertainment. HDC has put forward the case that amateur is miles away from professional boxing in most aspects, and I'll happily concede that as fact; but it is still just punching another dude in the head.

The final nail in the coffin as far as I'm concerned is the use of judges. Like all other bullshit wannabe sports (figure skating, diving, drifting), if it requires a judge to pick a winner, it's not a sport, regardless of how finely crafted the rules are. I'm willing to reconsider that view on any of those sports that figures out how to get an unbiased computer program to do the judging. Because shit (http://afp.google.com/article/ALeqM5i0J3PV86a7dw4ZTn7vPRG1NLLDAQ) like this (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2002_Olympic_Winter_Games_figure_skating_scandal) is not f'n sport.

[Edbear]

Reminds me of the tale of two men in dispute. One challenges the other to a duel. As they get ready in the woods, one says, "Hey I'm a lot bigger target than he is, it's hardly a fair fight!"

So the umpire walks up to the bigger man and takes out a chalk. Drawing two lines down the man's torso, he says, "Okay, now it's even, any hits outside the lines don't count!" :yes:

[Deano]

I'm all for that, it's your life. However having that attitude does not preclude me from calling boxing retarded and questioning whether it is really worth of being called sport at all.

And my life is going very well thanks. Including the odd punch in the head. Of course I'm going to defend martial arts - methinks this is just another of your trolls.

There are plenty of things that can cause damage to brain cells. If someone chooses to lose a few through their SPORT, which also has a lot of positive benefits. Good on em.

[tigertim20]

Too many are too quick to point out the risks and injuries of unrelated activities, thereby completely missing the point. The purpose and intent of fighting is to cripple your opponent such that he cannot continue therefore you win.
No. Boxing matches today are set to a defined length. they are scored round by round, so a winner can be determined at the end. occaisionally someone doesnt make it to the end, and the winner is decided as a result of that - no different than crashing out of a race because your line and someone elses line meant someone got run off the track.

Otherwise, why are the head and torso the only allowable targets?
Because the head and the body are fairly easy to guard - providing a high degree of safety to a competitor who has actually bothered to train and learn. Points are scored by one person showing their skill and prowess by faking, moving and managing to score points through the others gaurd - just the same as getting the ball past the keeper in soccer.

It's not a game of touch rugby, is it? Or fencing where it is the number of times you get through the opponents defence and touch them to get points.
Do you know anything about boxing? Yes. It is scored. As far as Im concerned, ANY time a fight ends in KO/Injury, it is because the losing opponent was NOT up to scratch, and should NOT have taken the fight, and should not have been competing, because they werent good enough - just like NZ cricketers.


Motorcycling is not a sport where you are out to clobber the other motorcyclists and the whole purpose of motorcycling is NOT to hit anything or anyone! You wear helmets specifically designed to prevent brain injury. In fact, who would want to box, or watch boxing, if the combatants, (interesting description, no?), had to wear the safety gear of a motorcyclist? :doh:
Plenty of amateurs DO wear safety gear. They wear heavily padded gloves so that points can be scored without causing the injury of a bare knuckle strike. Furthermore, the large size of the gloves themselves provides a pad behind which an opponent can hide their head in defense. There are plenty of sports/games where hitting is required, or even the goal. rugby union, rugby league, certain forms of motor racing

[curly]

http://nz.sports.yahoo.com/news/article/-/12596297/sonny-bill-seeks-new-fight-opponent/

Who should he fight now?

[Laava]

My Nana has a bit of an anger problem. Plus she's bigger than SBW. I'll set it up

[oldrider]

Get a life losers.

Boxing, and other martial arts are great. One of the best things to happen in my life for confidence, fitness and self defence.

At least you are weight matched and your opponent stands in front of you - you know they are going to try and hit.


Totally agree Deano, boxing turned my life around when I was a teenager, helped me learn self respect and respect for other people!

Unfortunately officials like judges and referees can still queer the game but all the more incentive to develop greater skills and knockout capability!

Leave nothing to some one else's discretion .... just get in there and do the business! :kick: Game over! :niceone:


If SBW spies an opportunity and takes it (within the rules of the event) good upon him, if you disagree, it doesn't really matter!

As a professional sportsman he no longer qualifies as an amateur, so has to hone his skill amongst the professional ranks and take whatever opportunities are available!

The controlling body (of the event) would do well to review the value of the conditions of their event to maintain it's value in the eye of the supporting public that they expect to attract to attend and finance it.

IMHO he looks great but so far I have seen little evidence to suggest he is "champion" boxing material ... best he just keeps on learning for a (long) while yet!