$30 speeding infringement notice

[SMOKEU]

I just received a letter from the pigs giving me a $30 infringement notice for going 56kmh in a 50kmh zone. I wasn't aware that I could actually get stung for that. I always travel at that sort of speed in 50kmh areas provided it's safe to do so and have never been caught.

Anyone else here been snapped for that?

I laughed when I saw "Safer communities together" on the bottom of the letter. Like sending someone a $30 speeding tax is really going to make the roads safer...

The letter says the location was on Barrington St "in the vicinity of Cashmere High School" so if you see a camera van there then smash it up.

[Kickaha]

I just received a letter from the pigs giving me a $30 infringement notice for going 56kmh in a 50kmh zone.I wasn't aware that I could actually get stung for that.
The limit is 50 so of course you can get done for it muppet ( I may have also got one like that a while back)

[SMOKEU]

The limit is 50 so of course you can get done for it muppet ( I may have also got one like that a while back)

I thought that they had an 11kmh tolerance or something like that.

[Virago]

People who speed should be shot for needlessly endangering every other road user in their immediate vicinity. :bleh:

[sil3nt]

I thought that they had an 11kmh tolerance or something like that.10% tolerance is more like it.

[Edbear]

I thought that they had an 11kmh tolerance or something like that.

No, used to be 10km/h but certainly they are toughening up, especially in built up areas and schools are now usually 40km/h during drop-off and pick-up times. You may get away with 4km/h over but don't count on it these days.

I use my GPS for speed and set my cruise control at no more than 104 on the open road. Speedo is about 5km/h out so I asume most driver's speedos are reading about 110 to match my pace. In town I'm all eyes!

[Virago]

I thought that they had an 11kmh tolerance or something like that.

I think you'll find that it is a discretionary tolerance up to and including 10km over the limit. It's not a de facto +10 speed limit.

[SMOKEU]

People who speed should be shot for needlessly endangering every other road user in their immediate vicinity. :bleh:

6kmh over the speed limit in good weather conditions on a good road with good visibility shouldn't be a crime. So back the point of my original post, does anyone here know what the actual tolerance for speeding is?

I've seen in the media that on public holidays the speeding tolerance is reduced to 5kmh, but then what is the original tolerance before that?

[Padmei]

Nah I got one for the same speed.
The stupid thing (well me really) was I always go reasonably slow down this particular road as 1. there is a primary school & it's close to a sharp corner & 2. there is quite often a cop sitting there waiting to ping ya ( & rightfully so- it's a busy stretch of road)
Somehow my mojo wasn't working that morning.

Lately I have been abused by tail gaters as I legally sit at (or slightly below) the speed limit. So yep those tickets do work:(

[skippa1]

People who speed should be shot for needlessly endangering every other road user in their immediate vicinity. :bleh:

and you know he endangered someone????

[Virago]

and you know he endangered someone????

A piss-take: :msn-wink:

http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php/144511-Texting-driver-who-killed-biker-jailed?p=1130212605#post1130212605

[Edbear]

6kmh over the speed limit in good weather conditions on a good road with good visibility shouldn't be a crime. So back the point of my original post, does anyone here know what the actual tolerance for speeding is?

I've seen in the media that on public holidays the speeding tolerance is reduced to 5kmh, but then what is the original tolerance before that?

Best official comment has been up to 9km/h on the open road but not always as it is up to the officer to decide, but clear warnings that during long weekends and holidays, 4km/h max. You WILL be ticketed for more than 4km/h over no arguments!

[FJRider]

I thought that they had an 11kmh tolerance or something like that.

Actually ... if stopped by an officer ... the tolerance is 4km's ...


A speed camera's tolerance is zero.

[SMOKEU]

and you know he endangered someone????


A piss-take: :msn-wink:

http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php/144511-Texting-driver-who-killed-biker-jailed?p=1130212605#post1130212605

So what's more dangerous, an SUV driver txting while driving or a motorcyclist going 6kmh over the limit? I'm more likely to fuck myself up than a cager.

[sil3nt]

There is a 50k zone around where i live that used to be 80k. I would say 80% of people still do 80. Some guy wasn't happy with me doing 60 and was tailgating me so i slowed down to 50 and he overtook me and took a swipe at me with his ute as he passed. Cops used to pull a few people over when the limit changed now there are no cops to be found.

[FJRider]

So what's more dangerous, an SUV driver txting while driving or a motorcyclist going 6kmh over the limit? I'm more likely to fuck myself up than a cager.


How many SUV drivers texting did you see at the time ... ???

And it was a speed camera, not an officer ... (the cameras aren't THAT good )

[SMOKEU]

There is a 50k zone around where i live that used to be 80k. I would say 80% of people still do 80. Some guy wasn't happy with me doing 60 and was tailgating me so i slowed down to 50 and he overtook me and took a swipe at me with his ute as he passed. Cops used to pull a few people over when the limit changed now there are no cops to be found.

A mate of mine lives out in the countryside, the way out there has a long, straight 100kmh road where people often sit at 85-90kmh. When they reach a certain town with a 50kmh zone those same people slow down to 70kmh. The cops should do something about people that like.


How many SUV drivers texting did you see at the time ... ???

And it was a speed camera, not an officer ... (the cameras aren't THAT good )

I was focusing on the road, not on weather or not other road users are using a phone.

[jafar]

I'm under the impression it is a 10% tolerance to allow for speedo error . At 56 k you have exceeded the 10% so you got a fine . Skool area's are now a 40k speed limit, they have been advertising this for a while now. Holiday weekends tend to be a 4k tolerance, in an effort to reduce the road toll over breaks.
If you have cruise control use it, the savings in fuel alone make it worth while .

:msn-wink:

[FJRider]

I was focusing on the road, not on weather or not other road users are using a phone.

:doh: Your focus was wrong ... :second:

Your wallet however ... will be lighter ... so to speak ... :killingme

I doubt if you'll get ANY sympathy here ... :bleh:

[NordieBoy]

Schools are 40kph?

Even ones in 80kph zones?

[Genie]

The limit is 50 so of course you can get done for it muppet ( I may have also got one like that a while back)

this thread only needed one reply this gentleman got it first!

[tigertim20]

I just received a letter from the pigs giving me a $30 infringement notice for going 56kmh in a 50kmh zone. I wasn't aware that I could actually get stung for that. I always travel at that sort of speed in 50kmh areas provided it's safe to do so and have never been caught.

Anyone else here been snapped for that?

I laughed when I saw "Safer communities together" on the bottom of the letter. Like sending someone a $30 speeding tax is really going to make the roads safer...

The letter says the location was on Barrington St "in the vicinity of Cashmere High School" so if you see a camera van there then smash it up.

Fuck, Im sick of all the little cunts that whine when I ticket them. Its annoying. Can they not read? the road signs state, quite clearly, the speed limit. You should hear this young wanker I pulled up today, thought he was ten foot tall, and knew everything then, get this, he tells me 'I didnt know I could get a ticket for speeding'!!!
fucking what?
I said to him, mate, you were 6km/hr OVER THE LIMIT, what do you no understand about that?

Dude stop bitching, you got a ticket, count all the times you have sped and DIDNT get a ticket, and all of a sudden it all makes sense and doesnt seem so unfair.

As for the 'but I was only a bit over' argument, does it suck? yes, it does, but thats life. There has to be a line drawn somewhere, and evidently you crossed it.
If we had 'but it was only a little bit over' type defenses for shit, then it would only be a few months before cunts got off rape charges because 'But, your honour, I didnt even cum inside her, so it wasnt really a rape'

[FJRider]

Schools are 40kph?

Even ones in 80kph zones?

School zones ... usually in 50 km areas ... at school start / finish times ... WELL SIGNPOSTED ... with lights ...

[SMOKEU]

:doh: Your focus was wrong ... :second:

Your wallet however ... will be lighter ... so to speak ... :killingme

I doubt if you'll get ANY sympathy here ... :bleh:


Fuck, Im sick of all the little cunts that whine when I ticket them. Its annoying. Can they not read? the road signs state, quite clearly, the speed limit. You should hear this young wanker I pulled up today, thought he was ten foot tall, and knew everything then, get this, he tells me 'I didnt know I could get a ticket for speeding'!!!
fucking what?
I said to him, mate, you were 6km/hr OVER THE LIMIT, what do you no understand about that?

Dude stop bitching, you got a ticket, count all the times you have sped and DIDNT get a ticket, and all of a sudden it all makes sense and doesnt seem so unfair.

As for the 'but I was only a bit over' argument, does it suck? yes, it does, but thats life. There has to be a line drawn somewhere, and evidently you crossed it.
If we had 'but it was only a little bit over' type defenses for shit, then it would only be a few months before cunts got off rape charges because 'But, your honour, I didnt even cum inside her, so it wasnt really a rape'

I admit I was exceeding the posted speed limit by 6kmh. I am going to pay the infringement notice ASAP. I should have made this more clear, I'm not looking for sympathy, I'm not looking for a way to get out of paying the money, I am simply questioning the tolerance in speed limits.

[tigertim20]

I admit I was exceeding the posted speed limit by 6kmh. I am going to pay the infringement notice ASAP. I should have made this more clear, I'm not looking for sympathy, I'm not looking for a way to get out of paying the money, I am simply questioning the tolerance in speed limits.

basically it is this.
THERE IS NO TOLERANCE. WHATSOEVER. PERIOD. END OF STORY. STICK TO THE SIGNPOSTED SPEED LIMIT.

The police officer has the OPTION to use AT HIS DISCRETION a tolerance of UP TO 10%. he does not have to.

The recent campaigns about the 4km tolerance over holidays was not saying 'hey everyone drive at 104km/hr' it means that the cops discretionary allowance is reduced from 10% down to 4km/hr on those days.
That is the long and short of it.

I speed frequently, but I acknowledge that I do so at my own peril. I get away with it WAY more that I get caught.
if you wana speed and be guaranteed no tickets, go do a trackday, Ruapuna, from what I hear, is fucking awesome

[Virago]

I'm under the impression it is a 10% tolerance to allow for speedo error . At 56 k you have exceeded the 10% so you got a fine . Skool area's are now a 40k speed limit, they have been advertising this for a while now....

It always amazes me the amount of mis-information out there.

I've never seen any confirmation of a 10% tolerance. It is a discretionary 10k tolerance at any speed. The discretionary bit means that those doing 11k over the limit are ticketed, while those at 10k or less over the limit may be ticketed - at the officer's discretion. The 10k tolerance is dropped to 4k at times (such as public holidays).

It is a mistake to think that the 10k tolerance is an automatic license to exceed the limit by 10k.

Speed limits around schools are not 40k, unless clearly signposted as such. The normal speed limit for the area (eg 50k) applies. However, the discretionary tolerance is dropped to 4k around schools.

[SMOKEU]

basically it is this.
THERE IS NO TOLERANCE. WHATSOEVER. PERIOD. END OF STORY. STICK TO THE SIGNPOSTED SPEED LIMIT.

The police officer has the OPTION to use AT HIS DISCRETION a tolerance of UP TO 10%. he does not have to.

The recent campaigns about the 4km tolerance over holidays was not saying 'hey everyone drive at 104km/hr' it means that the cops discretionary allowance is reduced from 10% down to 4km/hr on those days.
That is the long and short of it.

I speed frequently, but I acknowledge that I do so at my own peril. I get away with it WAY more that I get caught.
if you wana speed and be guaranteed no tickets, go do a trackday, Ruapuna, from what I hear, is fucking awesome




It always amazes me the amount of mis-information out there.

I've never seen any confirmation of a 10% tolerance. It is a discretionary 10k tolerance at any speed. The discretionary bit means that those doing 11k over the limit are ticketed, while those at 10k or less over the limit may be ticketed - at the officer's discretion. The 10k tolerance is dropped to 4k at times (such as public holidays).

It is a mistake to think that the 10k tolerance is an automatic license to exceed the limit by 10k.

Speed limits around schools are not 40k, unless clearly signposted as such. The normal speed limit for the area (eg 50k) applies. However, the discretionary tolerance is dropped to 4k around schools.

Thanks, that's all I wanted to know.

[FJRider]

I am simply questioning the tolerance in speed limits[/COLOR][/B].

You will soon find NO tolerance to question ... You may find yourself pulled over, at just over the speed limit, just to piss you off ... and the usual WOF/Rego check ... and of course, waste a little of your time ... COS THEY CAN ... :clap:

[jafar]

It always amazes me the amount of mis-information out there.

I've never seen any confirmation of a 10% tolerance. It is a discretionary 10k tolerance at any speed. The discretionary bit means that those doing 11k over the limit are ticketed, while those at 10k or less over the limit may be ticketed - at the officer's discretion. The 10k tolerance is dropped to 4k at times (such as public holidays).

It is a mistake to think that the 10k tolerance is an automatic license to exceed the limit by 10k.

Speed limits around schools are not 40k, unless clearly signposted as such. The normal speed limit for the area (eg 50k) applies. However, the discretionary tolerance is dropped to 4k around schools.

I have not heard of anyone being ticketed for 54 in a 50k area.
I said 10% not 10 km tolerance !!:Oi:

[Virago]

...I said 10% not 10 km tolerance !!:Oi:

Yep, got that - but I believe that you're wrong.

[Smifffy]

Even Rossi slowed down lately.

[jafar]

Yep, got that - but I believe that you're wrong.

I only have the local cop telling me that, mabey that is just his take on it. Hopefully one of our resident officers on here will clear it up :Police:

either way the TA was exceeding the posted limit by 6k in a 50 k area. The 10% rule would seem to be correct.

Most if not all schools have the new electronic signs up now for when they want to drop the limit to 40k when the kids are around. An excellent idea IMHO. It would be a good move on the gubbermints part to do the same for wet weather . Drop the open road limit down to 80k when there is rain or conditions get bad.

[tigertim20]

It would be a good move on the gubbermints part to do the same for wet weather . Drop the open road limit down to 80k when there is rain or conditions get bad.

that would be a great way to ignore the real issue - that our licencing system is a joke and most people cant drive to save themselves

[Virago]

I only have the local cop telling me that, mabey that is just his take on it. Hopefully one of our resident officers on here will clear it up :Police:

either way the TA was exceeding the posted limit by 6k in a 50 k area. The 10% rule would seem to be correct...

Yeah, it's quite possible that many cops work on a 10% tolerance, as it is quite compatible with a discretionary 10k tolerance.

Often I reckon the attitude test comes into play. I got pulled over a few weeks ago - 58 in a 50 zone. When asked the obligatory "any reason" question, I apologised for my inattention to my driving - I was let go with a good-natured warning. I'm sure that if I'd got uppity about it, I'd have got the $30 ticket.

[jafar]

that would be a great way to ignore the real issue - that our licencing system is a joke and most people cant drive to save themselves

It would be a move in the right direction. I do tend to agree with you though

[Jantar]

...Most if not all schools have the new electronic signs up now for when they want to drop the limit to 40k when the kids are around. .....
Maybe in your area, but down here I only know of a single school that has this electronic speed sign. There are many schools in 100 kmh areas and I can just imagine the carnage that would occur coming around a corner at 100 kmh and seeing a 40 kmh sign only a few meters ahead with a patrol car right there enforcing it.

[jafar]

Maybe in your area, but down here I only know of a single school that has this electronic speed sign. There are many schools in 100 kmh areas and I can just imagine the carnage that would occur coming around a corner at 100 kmh and seeing a 40 kmh sign only a few meters ahead with a patrol car right there enforcing it.

no different to coming round a corner in a 100k area & finding a school bus unloading kids. Or a road crew working for that matter. :devil2:

[tigertim20]

Often I reckon the attitude test comes into play. I got pulled over a few weeks ago - 58 in a 50 zone. When asked the obligatory "any reason" question, I apologised for my inattention to my driving - I was let go with a good-natured warning. I'm sure that if I'd got uppity about it, I'd have got the $30 ticket.
regarding the attitude test, I agree. I have ridden away with some warnings that could have been extremely expensive outings had my attitude been different.

Maybe in your area, but down here I only know of a single school that has this electronic speed sign. There are many schools in 100 kmh areas and I can just imagine the carnage that would occur coming around a corner at 100 kmh and seeing a 40 kmh sign only a few meters ahead with a patrol car right there enforcing it.

plenty of warning etc should be enough to make it safe. There is a school up in Blenheim in a 100 (may be an 80) km zone that has the flashing 40k sign. Its far enough away from the school that people have time to slow down safely.

As for someone 'coming round a corner to see a cop car watching the school being dangerous' I imagine that would be somewhat safer, given that they will have slowed down some (if not all) of the way to 40 before panicking, than if they came around the corner at 100 to see 20 kids crossing the street

[SMOKEU]

regarding the attitude test, I agree. I have ridden away with some warnings that could have been extremely expensive outings had my attitude been different.



I've been let away with shit that should have had me lose my license on the spot for 28 days with a subsequent court appearance and at least 3 months loss of license. More than once. It's a shame speed cameras don't use discretion.

[Jantar]

...I imagine that would be somewhat safer, given that they will have slowed down some (if not all) of the way to 40 before panicking, than if they came around the corner at 100 to see 20 kids crossing the street
Most rural schools in 100 kmh areas wouldn't have 20 kids total on their roll. Even for those that do, the school bus stops outside the school gate on the same side of the road as the school, so you wouldn't get 2 kids, let alone 20, crossing the road in front of you.

[tigertim20]

Most rural schools in 100 kmh areas wouldn't have 20 kids total on their roll. Even for those that do, the school bus stops outside the school gate on the same side of the road as the school, so you wouldn't get 2 kids, let alone 20, crossing the road in front of you.

So you agree with my point then?

[Berries]

Most if not all schools have the new electronic signs up now for when they want to drop the limit to 40k when the kids are around. An excellent idea IMHO.

An excellent idea, but rare as hens teeth down south. At $15,000 for the simplest of set ups you are never going to see the majority of schools having a 40km/h speed limit at school times. If we ever go the way of NSW and just have normal signs that tell you it is 40km/h at certain hours then they will all have them.


It would be a good move on the gubbermints part to do the same for wet weather . Drop the open road limit down to 80k when there is rain or conditions get bad.
Hmm. Limited Speed Zones. They have only just managed to get rid of those in the last few years. Define the level of rain, define the exact amount of fog etc etc etc. They don't work. Unless you go for electronic signs which I have seen in fog prone areas overseas. But then see my first point re cost.

[NordieBoy]

School zones ... usually in 50 km areas ... at school start / finish times ... WELL SIGNPOSTED ... with lights ...

Ok. Only one I know of in the Nelson area like that.

[cs363]

I only have the local cop telling me that, mabey that is just his take on it. Hopefully one of our resident officers on here will clear it up :Police:

either way the TA was exceeding the posted limit by 6k in a 50 k area. The 10% rule would seem to be correct.

Most if not all schools have the new electronic signs up now for when they want to drop the limit to 40k when the kids are around. An excellent idea IMHO. It would be a good move on the gubbermints part to do the same for wet weather . Drop the open road limit down to 80k when there is rain or conditions get bad.


Yeah, it's quite possible that many cops work on a 10% tolerance, as it is quite compatible with a discretionary 10k tolerance.

Often I reckon the attitude test comes into play. I got pulled over a few weeks ago - 58 in a 50 zone. When asked the obligatory "any reason" question, I apologised for my inattention to my driving - I was let go with a good-natured warning. I'm sure that if I'd got uppity about it, I'd have got the $30 ticket.

The official word: (http://www.police.govt.nz/resources/2007/speed-enforcement-guide/)

6. Use of discretion

Police must apply a consistent approach to the enforcement of speeding offences in order to achieve reductions in road trauma and to ensure that our actions are fair and transparent.


A consistent approach enables Police to recognise reasonable variations in speedometer accuracy across the public national vehicle fleet, while providing motorists with certainty of outcome should they drive at inappropriate or excessive speeds. The following principles apply, other than in exceptional circumstances:

Drivers detected at a speed of 11km/h or more above the appropriate speed limit must be issued with the appropriate infringement notice or summons.
Drivers of heavy motor vehicles detected at a speed of 6km/h or more above the appropriate speed limit must be issued with the appropriate infringement notice or summons.
Drivers of vehicles towing light trailers detected at a speed of 6km/h or more above the applicable speed limit must be issued with an appropriate infringement notice or summons.
Drivers of vehicles detected within school zones at a speed of 5km/h or more above the applicable speed limit must be issued with the appropriate infringement notice or summons.
Drivers of any vehicles exceeding the speed limit by less than these stated thresholds may be issued with an infringement notice if their speed presents a risk to public safety in the prevailing circumstances.
These principles do not constitute a mandate for drivers to exceed the speed limit. In many circumstances exceeding the speed limit by any amount will pose road safety risks.

[PrincessBandit]

I admit I was exceeding the posted speed limit by 6kmh...... I am simply questioning the tolerance in speed limits.

Nah bro, they just know who you are and show you the same respect that you have for "the pigs".

[riffer]

I've been let away with shit that should have had me lose my license on the spot for 28 days with a subsequent court appearance and at least 3 months loss of license. More than once. It's a shame speed cameras don't use discretion.

If that really is the truth I'd say it's about bloody time you did cop something. You attitude is typical of those of your age group. A complete and utter lack of discipline and understanding of rules and consequences.

Wake up and smell the coffee.

[Swoop]

that would be a great way to ignore the real issue - that our licencing system is a joke and most people cant drive to save themselves
So true.
It's not like any government is going to wake up and actually address this issue though. The "too hard" basket is already full.








Thread tag: Get a detector bro!

[avgas]

People who speed should be shot for needlessly endangering every other road user in their immediate vicinity. :bleh:
Kids aren't allowed to drive :rolleyes:

[Edbear]

I'm under the impression it is a 10% tolerance to allow for speedo error . At 56 k you have exceeded the 10% so you got a fine . Skool area's are now a 40k speed limit, they have been advertising this for a while now. Holiday weekends tend to be a 4k tolerance, in an effort to reduce the road toll over breaks.
If you have cruise control use it, the savings in fuel alone make it worth while .

:msn-wink:

Gidday, mate, haven't seen you around for a bit! I use cruise control all the time, saves me having to watch the speedo. Also emphasises the fact that very few drivers ever look at their speedo nor can they maintian anything like a steady speed!

A good driver can beat cruise control for economy, but yes, for most, it does save fuel as it is obvious a lot of drivers play tap dancing on their accelerators.


this thread only needed one reply this gentleman got it first!

But this is KB... :bleh:


that would be a great way to ignore the real issue - that our licencing system is a joke and most people cant drive to save themselves

Yup! And few can maintain even 80km/h in the wet! Overall it's not speeding per se that is the problem in NZ, it is simply, as you say, most drivers can't drive! The drivers are unsafe at any speed, not the cars or the roads.


I've been let away with shit that should have had me lose my license on the spot for 28 days with a subsequent court appearance and at least 3 months loss of license. More than once. It's a shame speed cameras don't use discretion.

Try smiling! :rolleyes:

[p.dath]

...
The letter says the location was on Barrington St "in the vicinity of Cashmere High School" so if you see a camera van there then smash it up.

I think you'll find the tolerance around schools is very low. If you had been doing 56km/h in a 50km/h zone somewhere else you would probably have been ok.

A child's body can't survive impacts much faster than 50km/h, and children are more unpredictable.

[sosman]

Fuck, Im sick of all the little cunts that whine when I ticket them. Its annoying. Can they not read? the road signs state, quite clearly, the speed limit. You should hear this young wanker I pulled up today, thought he was ten foot tall, and knew everything then, get this, he tells me 'I didnt know I could get a ticket for speeding'!!!
fucking what?
I said to him, mate, you were 6km/hr OVER THE LIMIT, what do you no understand about that?

Dude stop bitching, you got a ticket, count all the times you have sped and DIDNT get a ticket, and all of a sudden it all makes sense and doesnt seem so unfair.

As for the 'but I was only a bit over' argument, does it suck? yes, it does, but thats life. There has to be a line drawn somewhere, and evidently you crossed it.
If we had 'but it was only a little bit over' type defenses for shit, then it would only be a few months before cunts got off rape charges because 'But, your honour, I didnt even cum inside her, so it wasnt really a rape'


Really? 6k's over...who's the cunt now! pwhahaha!

[mashman]

In town, slow down... what a cock

[Maha]

The letter says the location was on Barrington St "in the vicinity of Cashmere High School"

They (the police) are pretty hot on the speed limit around schools...that was more than likely your downfall in this instance.

[MSTRS]

The 10km tolerance is well-known and often abused. It was never 10%, which struck me as crazy since 100/110 is a different prospect to 50/60.
There has also been shitloads of publicity around the school zone issue. No matter where a school is, there are signs warning of a school zone on all approaches. Some have a 40kph sign permanently in place, which may be lit up at certain times of the day. Most don't. But the tolerance is still within 5kph of the posted speed in that area, regardless of whether it is a 40, 50, 70 or 100.
Round these parts, a lot of the schools (primary at least) have installed those solar-powered signs with 2 children walking, which light up, PLUS 2 red lights which flash alternately at 'critical' times of the day.
Children being what they are, I can't understand any motorist who thinks it's OK to even use the much-discussed tolerance...

[SMOKEU]

Children being what they are, I can't understand any motorist who thinks it's OK to even use the much-discussed tolerance...

It's a high school, they're not quite little kids any more.

[MSTRS]

Really? On which planet?

[cs363]

The 10km tolerance is well-known and often abused. It was never 10%, which struck me as crazy since 100/110 is a different prospect to 50/60.
There has also been shitloads of publicity around the school zone issue. No matter where a school is, there are signs warning of a school zone on all approaches. Some have a 40kph sign permanently in place, which may be lit up at certain times of the day. Most don't. But the tolerance is still within 5kph of the posted speed in that area, regardless of whether it is a 40, 50, 70 or 100.
Round these parts, a lot of the schools (primary at least) have installed those solar-powered signs with 2 children walking, which light up, PLUS 2 red lights which flash alternately at 'critical' times of the day.
Children being what they are, I can't understand any motorist who thinks it's OK to even use the much-discussed tolerance...

Yes, it's a weird one that - not sure how, when or why the 10Km came to be, but 10% would certainly be the smarter tolerance (and it's what I generally work to on the road).
Some interesting reading on speedometer error here: http://www.consumer.org.nz/news/view/speedometer-accuracy and here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speedometer

And agree - the school zone thing has been widely publicised, speeding (especially excessively) in town is an accident waiting to happen and in a school zone (no matter whether the 'kids' are 8 or 18) is an infinitely greater risk.

[Delerium]

Yip, its retarded. I gfot 55 in a 50 zone. down bond street (big hill) stupid. Has it effected my driving? no. just another tax.

[nadroj]

Was it a school day?

[SPman]

that would be a great way to ignore the real issue - that our licencing system is a joke and most people cant drive to save themselves ...except on KB.......

[caspernz]

6kmh over the speed limit in good weather conditions on a good road with good visibility shouldn't be a crime. So back the point of my original post, does anyone here know what the actual tolerance for speeding is?

I've seen in the media that on public holidays the speeding tolerance is reduced to 5kmh, but then what is the original tolerance before that?

There is no tolerance, it's about officers' discretion. Might be a school zone you got stung in? Those zones you are normally only given 4 kmh discretion. Yep, got one of them in the mail a year or so back myself. No demerits, but still that $30 annoyed me as well.

[jafar]

ok some have come back & told us all what a :Police: officer can & cannot do...... does the same hold true for the camera vans that litter our roads ?? is there's an 11 km tolerance too?? Or are they operating to the 10% as I suggested??
As the TA was fined for 56k in a 50k area by a speed camera in a van, I'd suggest that it does :doh:

[jafar]

Hmm. Limited Speed Zones. They have only just managed to get rid of those in the last few years. Define the level of rain, define the exact amount of fog etc etc etc. They don't work. Unless you go for electronic signs which I have seen in fog prone areas overseas. But then see my first point re cost.

1 life saved = ????

[cs363]

ok some have come back & told us all what a :Police: officer can & cannot do...... does the same hold true for the camera vans that litter our roads ?? is there's an 11 km tolerance too?? Or are they operating to the 10% as I suggested??
As the TA was fined for 56k in a 50k area by a speed camera in a van, I'd suggest that it does :doh:

I can't find the info now, but I believe the cameras preset limit (the point at which it will trigger) is based on covert speed surveys done in the area where the camera will or does operate, as well as historical information concerning the operational area. As the cameras were originally sited in areas where speed had been a significant factor in crashes, (though now that has been widened to the cover-all of "areas where there is an obvious road safety risk") the trigger point could vary from zero tolerance to quite possibly above the 10 Km/h discretionary margin.

Anecdotally I'm not aware of many (if any) people getting speed camera tickets at marginal amounts above the speed limit either, and the old (film) cameras were limited to (from memory) 650 photos per roll of film, so that would tend to reinforce the above, as a speed camera on a busy road in Auckland for instance would soon run out of film if pinging people who were marginally over the limit.
However, with the new digital cameras I would imagine the photo storage is much greater which may have allowed a lower tolerance.

Perhaps a friendly someone on the 'inside' could clear this up?

[MSTRS]

I can't find the info now, but I believe the cameras preset limit (the point at which it will trigger) is based on covert speed surveys done in the area where the camera will or does operate, as well as historical information concerning the operational area.

You're right. Originally, camera trigger speeds were set to the ersatz natural speed on any given road. That is, the speed that 'most' traffic travelled at, regardless of what the limit was.
Do not be surprised if that trigger speed is gradually being reduced...either, as the average higher speed drops or, as a device to force that drop.

[Smifffy]

It's a high school, they're not quite little kids any more.

I think he meant the little kid on the motorcycle.

[Gremlin]

Technically, the law allows you to be fined for 1kph over the limit. http://www.police.govt.nz/service/road/infringements_faq.html