Is there a motorcycle equivalent of this V12, 27L Merlin-rep engined Bentley?

[cheshirecat]

Just going through the starting proceedure would be great. Twin magnetos flick on - yes contact, Spitfire starter button press - yes, traction control - wot? 2-3 mpg oops perhaps not.

Bentley (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/motoring/classiccars/8877068/Bespoke-Bentley-that-rewrites-the-rules-of-giant-cars.html)

[Tigadee]

This?
http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/other/auction-423648226.htm

[yod]

This?
http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/other/auction-423648226.htm

met the owner with this bike at the paekok hill lookout one day, one hell of a beast!

[Laava]

Somewhere in Oz...
http://www.diagnosis2012.co.uk/v-twins/5000cc_02.jpg

[nudemetalz]

Somewhere in Oz...



Info on the above bike...

http://thekneeslider.com/archives/2006/05/20/5000cc-v-twin-motorcycle-engine-for-sale/

One of our readers from the land of Oz left a comment on yesterday's post about Roland Sands, suggesting another possible engine for the bike. What Dodgy found was a 5000cc Rolls Royce Merlin V-twin motorcycle engine!This engine was built in 1982 and was adapted from a 27 liter V12 aero engine by Australian engineer Lucky Keizer. According to the listing it was used in a streamliner that holds the current Australian record for the 3001cc+ class. The particular V12 used as a source for this V-twin was originally at home on a Mosquito bomber.
The engine uses a handbuilt crankshaft, has 4 valves per cylinder, runs a Rochester carb on a GM 3/71 supercharger. It also includes nitrous with water and glycol cooling. Power output is in the 500 horsepower range though no torque figures are given, those are the numbers I'd like to see! It weighs 330 pounds.
This engine was previously installed in a motorcycle and the photo here has circulated around the Internet for some time. Lucky Keizer has put the engine up for sale, ready for someone else to install it in their own VERY special V-twin custom.
Of course, if you start with a V12 and make a V-twin, you have the makings of 5 more, right? Some resourceful machine shop should look into that, you never know, there may be a huge market for monster V-twin motorcycles. You have to wonder, though, what the rotating mass in that engine would do to the bike's handling when you try to tip it into the turns, could be exciting!
Thanks for the pointer, Dodgy!

[Swoop]

The particular V12 used as a source for this V-twin was originally at home on a Mosquito bomber.
Whoever destroyed a Merlin engine, should be stabbed with a screwdriver that has been dipped in acid which has been laced with AIDS.

[Kickaha]

Whoever destroyed a Merlin engine, should be stabbed with a screwdriver that has been dipped in acid which has been laced with AIDS.

At one time they weren't that rare, have a look up at what happened to the Mosquito aircraft the RNZAF had

[cheshirecat]

You'd have to question the steel bar for rear suspension and front brakes off a 150cc. Sacrilidge on a Merlin though.

[nudemetalz]

Whoever destroyed a Merlin engine, should be stabbed with a screwdriver that has been dipped in acid which has been laced with AIDS.

You mean like in the movie "633 Squadron" when the movie makers destroyed 2 real ones.....
Swoop....don't fast forward to 9:10.....it'll make you cry...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2A04o_kVonQ


and while we're at it...RNZAF aircraft dump in Rukuhia....oh to travel back in time !!
http://www.wings.net.nz/oldwings/rukuhia.html

(Apologies for getting off topic)

[cheshirecat]

You mean like in the movie "633 Squadron" when the movie makers destroyed 2 real ones.....
Swoop....don't fast forward to 9:10.....it'll make you cry...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2A04o_kVonQ


and while we're at it...RNZAF aircraft dump in Rukuhia....oh to travel back in time !!
http://www.wings.net.nz/oldwings/rukuhia.html

(Apologies for getting off topic) off topic again but what the f.
What a great site, Oh the RAF still do it. Once two Jaguars passed below me Langdale valley once - Its a dead end valley.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ijs6csP5UbY&feature=related

[EJK]

Boss Hoss?</10char>

[avgas]

Hmmmm let me see....other than the ones mentioned previously

- Munch Mammut
- Dodge Tommahawk
- Triumph Rocket
are a few factory standard ones.

There are millions of customs. Including "das Panzerbike"... (http://harzer-bike-schmiede.de/panzerbike.html)

[Ocean1]

Just going through the starting proceedure would be great. Twin magnetos flick on - yes contact, Spitfire starter button press - yes, traction control - wot? 2-3 mpg oops perhaps not.

Bentley (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/motoring/classiccars/8877068/Bespoke-Bentley-that-rewrites-the-rules-of-giant-cars.html)


Loverly turn of phrase: "The twin Brunellian tailpipes speak anything but softly, sounding like the Book of Revelations."

And this: "1,600lb ft @ 1700rpm" would be worth the cost in gas.

[Stylo]

Turn the sound up ...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kw6UWPaTUt0

[cs363]

And let's not forget this one, and it's a V12....

http://m1ka.smugmug.com/Other/My-Pictures/3101044133673b160189o-V12-NCRS/694483364_wdEfz-M.jpg

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And honourable mention:

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_Mvhjidbvdzc/RioDEHK3FKI/AAAAAAAAAkI/UH4d2knENcE/s400/v12%2Bkaw%2B1.bmp

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[Fast Eddie]

Somewhere in Oz...
http://www.diagnosis2012.co.uk/v-twins/5000cc_02.jpg

mmm hell yea, mans bit of kit right there..

you wouldn't see that man in a salmon colored polo shirt drinking a shandy

[Stylo]

Have we seen a real Bentley yet ..?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U3ux-eGJoP0

[Geeen]

These are all awesome pieces of well spent time. Kinda scared the days of old guys and sheds are coming to a close. Some of the stuff I've come across through work is astounding.

[Laava]

Whoever destroyed a Merlin engine, should be stabbed with a screwdriver that has been dipped in acid which has been laced with AIDS.

The story accompanying the photo I embedded claimed the motor was from a P51 Mustang which presumably would be more likely to be an Allison V12? Although, I know, it was a copy of the Merlin. Or summat!

[cs363]

Well, seeing as people are going off topic and posting vehicles besides bikes.... (at least it still has a Merlin V12, so vaguely on topic)

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[NordieBoy]

6 vids of the Gogomobil from getting a radial shoehorned in to drag racing it...
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[Edbear]

The story accompanying the photo I embedded claimed the motor was from a P51 Mustang which presumably would be more likely to be an Allison V12? Although, I know, it was a copy of the Merlin. Or summat!

I know a guy, an old schoolmate not a million miles from here, Matakana actually, who builds Allison powered dragsters...

[Swoop]

At one time they weren't that rare, have a look up at what happened to the Mosquito aircraft the RNZAF had
I know. Even more important to keep engines for warbirds and stop weirdo's from hacking into them.
Hopefully CNC manufacturing will be able to produce "new" engines soon!

[martybabe]

I get this thread, honestly I do. Beautiful complex powerful engines shoehorned into shall we say inappropriate vehicles, but ...

There is a reason these iconic engines were left in the nostalgic mist, simply, they have been superseded in the relentless quest for power. On that basis I offer you the modern bike equivalent of the old 'lets stick one of these bastards in something where it don't belong and see what happens projects'

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[cheshirecat]

nah nah nah, I mean it might look that way, but my post of the Bentley was really hankering back to the essence of being close to some great mechanical beastie made by humans, not a clinical production line. Its like being in a steam train, the thing's alive i tell you. What I really liked about the Bentlely was the whole thing about starting it and having to know all its whims. Had an old Range Rover once and the car alarm went off when going downhill round a right hand corner in the rain, the thing ooozed character , most of it growing moss in the rain gutters and on the bonnet. I mean bikes these days go so fast so easy and handle (lets face it) so well its too easy, they start first time every time, you cant get at the engine unless the things out of warantee, and even if you could you need a degree in engine managment systems. I remeber all my early bikes for their characters and having to know how to get them home. Am i to old and Grumpy?

MInd you I'd put one of these for city riding

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vcVOE9XXnRg

[martybabe]

nah nah nah, I mean it might look that way, but my post of the Bentley was really hankering back to the essence of being close to some great mechanical beastie made by humans, not a clinical production line. Its like being in a steam train, the thing's alive i tell you. What I really liked about the Bentlely was the whole thing about starting it and having to know all its whims. Had an old Range Rover once and the car alarm went off when going downhill round a right hand corner in the rain, the thing ooozed character , most of it growing moss in the rain gutters and on the bonnet. I mean bikes these days go so fast so easy and handle (lets face it) so well its too easy, they start first time every time, you cant get at the engine unless the things out of warantee, and even if you could you need a degree in engine managment systems. I remeber all my early bikes for their characters and having to know how to get them home. Am i to old and Grumpy?

MInd you I'd put one of these for city riding
]

:laugh: Fair enough, personally I'm just a fan of anything different, old or new. My two favourite machines of all time would be a huge F/off steam train and the Vulcan Jet bomber, machines of awesomeness. Boss hoss, Enfield bullet, jet bike and munch mammoth for the bikes, not sure I'd actually want to own any of them though, stuff that stirs the soul is good.

[cheshirecat]

:laugh: Fair enough, personally I'm just a fan of anything different, old or new. My two favourite machines of all time would be a huge F/off steam train and the Vulcan Jet bomber, machines of awesomeness. Boss hoss, Enfield bullet, jet bike and munch mammoth for the bikes, not sure I'd actually want to own any of them though, stuff that stirs the soul is good.

Would go with any of those.
You'd like this guy then

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eOwven0Rt94

[Pussy]

The story accompanying the photo I embedded claimed the motor was from a P51 Mustang which presumably would be more likely to be an Allison V12? Although, I know, it was a copy of the Merlin. Or summat!

The earlier P-51s had Allison V-1710s in them.
Most P-51s had a Packard built Merlin in them.

[Old Steve]

Damn Pussy, you took the words right out of my mouth. Actually, the earlier Allison powered Mustangs (that's the British name by the way, the Americans used the alpha-numeric identifier P-51) were renamed A-36 as a ground attack aircraft as the Allison was better performed at lower altitude than it was at higher altitude.

[SPman]

You mean like in the movie "633 Squadron" when the movie makers destroyed 2 real ones.....
Swoop....don't fast forward to 9:10.....it'll make you cry...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2A04o_kVonQ


and while we're at it...RNZAF aircraft dump in Rukuhia....oh to travel back in time !!
http://www.wings.net.nz/oldwings/rukuhia.html

(Apologies for getting off topic)

Yeah - Merlins - a dime a dozen for a while.....

[nudemetalz]

Damn Pussy, you took the words right out of my mouth. Actually, the earlier Allison powered Mustangs (that's the British name by the way, the Americans used the alpha-numeric identifier P-51) were renamed A-36 as a ground attack aircraft as the Allison was better performed at lower altitude than it was at higher altitude.

and also.......
story goes that the Packard built Merlins were of a far better quality than the R/R ones..........

Here's an interesting link for those interested in Merlin engines...
http://forum.keypublishing.co.uk/showthread.php?t=34891&highlight=packard

Apologies once again for off topic but I love aircraft and their engines...

[Kickaha]

and also.......
story goes that the Packard built Merlins were of a far better quality than the R/R ones..........

Story I was told from the guy in an Ashvegas aviaton museum was the Packard built engines had less problems but developed less HP

[SPman]

sorry mr nudemetalz.... here are some that got away...
John Smith's NZ2336 at Mapua, Motat's NZ2305 under a hedge at Marton, and , back in MOTAT, Glyn Powells NZ2308, sitting at a farm in Riwaka, before Glyn's long rebuild to airworthy status, NZ2328 at Ferrymead, NZ2308's new fuselage meeting it's new wing......


now, back to topic..........

[Grantman_]

Some vids of the Bentley in question


edit - I spoke too soon. The vids I found look like non-Merlin Bentleys Peterson has built.

re-edit - anyway here's a vid of the Merlin monster engine.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CJuS0jR6_E4

[cheshirecat]

now, back to topic..........
Not quite, My father flew those, and believe he really thought they were the business. No idea there were so many here. Thanks for posting them

[FJRider]

You DONT need a complete aircraft engine for a motorcycle ... a few barrels off a radial engine ... a bit of "do it yourself" ... and you can have this ...

http://www.bikeexif.com/aircraft-engined-motorcycle

[nudemetalz]

Not quite, My father flew those, and believe he really thought they were the business. No idea there were so many here. Thanks for posting them

Agree, thanks SPman :)

Can't wait to see a Mossie in the air !!!