Super Duke vs Brutale

[marty]

with a couple of very nice brutales for sale atm, and the KTM going for similar money, and my accountant liking the look of both, is there any real life experience on these bikes? i'm 6'2", 90ish kg, and the brutale looks small (to start). i've ridden the F4 750, that was ok, but the duke looks HUGE compared. of course, there's always a couple of very nice 'busas on the market.....but i know what they're like :)

Any suggestions?

[gav]

Yip, if the accountant likes the look of both, buy both!! Sorted :devil2:

[marty]

hadn't thought of that.....

for the money of both though, i'd have a blue MV1000

[sAsLEX]

get the duke. I want to hear a review of one and BIG DAVE has yet to get round to doing one, and I want one as well ( but I cant even afford an accountant!)

[Sensei]

Friends has riden a Duke & Mate traded his RSVR Aprilia on one haven't hooked up with him for a ride yet but Mate says they are Bloody Quick with Excellent brakes & feel very stable at speed & has heaps of front end feed back so when I get my arse on to mates I'll have a opinion of what its like . Happy buying ya Bugger ! :Punk:

[matthewt]

Just buy mine, then you don't need an accountant :ride:

[shadow]

ktm would definitly suit a taller rider (at the lights) done 2000ks on mine and loveing it. ktm does bring out the hooligin in you though. has been good for me on long trips is comfy and nice power. Heaps of hot carbon bits to add. I think performance bike mag have got a write up of both including triumph and z1000 in next issue but they are english so of course triumph win ktm is a v twin so that cant win z1000 well thats a jappa so no chance they like the mv. but as far as real world KTM is an awesome bike that is well suited to NZ roads. Good luck with your choice either way youll have an awesome bike

[chris]

get the duke. I want to hear a review of one and BIG DAVE has yet to get round to doing one, and I want one as well ( but I cant even afford an accountant!)
Read the test by Stretch in this months Kiwi Rider and then go and put your deposit down. It is a great bike.

[PSYCHO]

ktm does bring out the hooligin in you though.

Really?? I hadn't noticed! :whistle:

[Lou Girardin]

I'll tell you about the SuperDuke next Monday.

Performance Bike tested one, they reckon on tightish roads, say under 160 k's, sportbikes won't see which way it went.

[justsomeguy]

You want an ignorant layman's opinion??

.... brutale = :doobey:

..... KTM = :stoogie:

[matthewt]

You want an ignorant layman's opinion??

.... brutale = :doobey:

..... KTM = :stoogie:

You ever ridden either ???

[justsomeguy]

You ever ridden either ???


.......an ignorant layman's ..........??

.... brutale = .........

..... KTM = ......

Only ridden push bikes and my slow little ZZR250...... can't even imagine what those things are like.....

[Devil]

I'd go for the Brutale just cos its farken sexy.

Marty, go check out MV Agusta news. Theres a larger engined Brutale coming out. Might be better to wait for that.

EDIT: There you go, the Brutale 910. http://www.mvagusta.com/_vti_g2_ver.aspx?IdVer=21&rpstry=27_
(hope the link works)
Gah im getting wet just looking at it.

[Lou Girardin]

The 750 Brutale sucks fuel like a 4wd, what's the 900 going to be like?

[matthewt]

The 750 Brutale sucks fuel like a 4wd, what's the 900 going to be like?

Like a 4wd ?? I was thinking more like a cook strait ferry !!

I've heard the 910 is better for fuel than the 750. If you were going to buy new I wouldn't get a 750, I'd find out when the 910cc models arrive. They've been delivered in Europe already so some might already be on the way here. Otherwise you can get a 750 and bolt on the 860cc kit. It's a fairly expensive kit but a friend as done it and reckons it was worth every cent.

[Devil]

The 750 Brutale sucks fuel like a 4wd, what's the 900 going to be like?
Heh, with looks like that, who cares :D You dont buy them to tour on.

[matthewt]

Heh, with looks like that, who cares :D You dont buy them to tour on.


I did (buy it to tour on). It was a vast improvement over touring on the F4. I fitted a different fuel chip which took the range from 195k to just under 240k. That brought the range to up from "terrible" to "not great". As long as you plan properly then it's fine. I did the Rusty Nuts Big 50 which was nearly 4000k in 4 days without a problem on it.

Mind you, with only a 15L tank I can't imagine the KTM will have a huge range either.

[Devil]

I did (buy it to tour on). It was a vast improvement over touring on the F4. I fitted a different fuel chip which took the range from 195k to just under 240k. That brought the range to up from "terrible" to "not great". As long as you plan properly then it's fine. I did the Rusty Nuts Big 50 which was nearly 4000k in 4 days without a problem on it.

Mind you, with only a 15L tank I can't imagine the KTM will have a huge range either.
I knew you were going to say that heh.
195km? Luxury, pure luxury. I hit 160km if ive been riding with a tailwind.

Aren't twins typically crap on gas? 15L tank is pretty small.

/me waits for his new CB900F

[marty]

it's not like the TL is a fuel miser...

[vifferman]

it's not like the TL is a fuel miser...
Or the VTR.
I got around 30mpg from it (or less than 150km from a 17L tank....)

[matthewt]

Or the VTR.
I got around 30mpg from it (or less than 150km from a 17L tank....)


From memory the brutale was 27mpg stock and 31mgp with the chip.

[loosebruce]

it's not like the TL is a fuel miser...

Fkn aye Marty, your're not wrong there. Get the superduke man, looks way cooler, big twin, big twin sound, torque, wheelies, stoppies, backing it into corners, looks like a cool fun bike to ride, the MV well, some will disagree but it looks shit and doesn't look aggressive enough for me, sorry matthewt, cool bike in it's own right just not my cuppa tea.
The new speed triple is bloody cool alright, the Z1000 was cool when it first came out but is getting a bit dated, still cool though, needs an unrestricted ZX10R motor to get things really going, now that would be cool.

But get the Superduke Marty, put a freakin loud pipe on it and go pull some wheelies past ya buddies in the force, well maybe on the last part.

[sAsLEX]

But get the Superduke Marty, put a freakin loud pipe on it and go pull some wheelies past ya buddies in the force, well maybe on the last part.

akraprovic do a pipe for it!

[marty]

apparntley the duke stock pipe has plenty of loud. i've gotta find one to test ride (understandably everyone is a bit nervous about lending theirs out)

[marty]

one like this......

[sAsLEX]

apparntley the duke stock pipe has plenty of loud. i've gotta find one to test ride (understandably everyone is a bit nervous about lending theirs out)

hit lou up, actually your a cop he may not let you, maybe "john" should go in and ask......

[Sensei]

Well hope to get my arse onto my mates Black Duke this Saturday . He's put the Akarpovic ?? system onto it Said it too loud but doesn't mind as long as the cops don't hear it . Has gotten 2 tickets on it so far 1 coming back from Auckland after buying it & 1 more coming back after 1st service Bugger 1 more & walking , with the 3 tickets in 1 year thingy . .

[sAsLEX]

, with the 3 tickets in 1 year thingy . .
huh?? please enlighten us to this rule.

thought it was still just the 100 speed points in two years till you won a months walking

[marty]

yup - 100 in 2 years. actually, it's 2 clear years since your last ticket.

[loosebruce]

He's put the Akarpovic ?? system onto it Said it too loud

Thats bullshit there is no too loud when it comes to the sound of a big twin :weird:

[Sensei]

huh?? please enlighten us to this rule.

thought it was still just the 100 speed points in two years till you won a months walking

3 Tickets in 1y or 6 month ?? gets you 3 month unless they have changed it !!

[Sensei]

Thats bullshit there is no too loud when it comes to the sound of a big twin :weird:


Nah mates have told me its Fucken loud LB . I know what ya mean but there is when people look around when ya just cruzen in town . :whistle:

[loosebruce]

Nah mates have told me its Fucken loud LB . I know what ya mean but there is when people look around when ya just cruzen in town . :whistle:

Underground carparks (much like St Lukes) are always good entertainment as well. Not that'd i'd be doing something like that :whistle: 16 cars are my record BTW...........

[justsomeguy]

Thats bullshit there is no too loud when it comes to the sound of a big twin :weird:

I remember standing behind Darryl's bike - d33s - and feeling the big thumping boof-boof-boof-boof - could feel the draft from 5 meters away....

[k14]

3 Tickets in 1y or 6 month ?? gets you 3 month unless they have changed it !!

Pretty sure its 100 points in 12 months = 6 months no licence, 100 points in 2 years and 3 months walking. Oh and new law is 40k over and automatic 28 day loss.

[sAsLEX]

yup - 100 in 2 years. actually, it's 2 clear years since your last ticket.

I reckon thats wrong aye, demerits last 2 years from date of issue not 2 years from last offence


else you are continually being recharged with a crime each time you commit another, and that just aint like our government

[marty]

no - demerits last 2 years from the last ticket. i'll find the legislation and post it (again)

[marty]

91.Cancellation and reinstatement of demerit points—









(1)When 2 years have elapsed since the commission of an offence in respect of which demerit points were recorded, the entry of the points made in respect of that offence ceases to have effect in relation to the person who committed that offence; but if demerit points were recorded in respect of 2 or more offences committed by that person, the entry ceases to have effect when 2 years have elapsed since the commission of the most recent of those offences.

[matthewt]

the MV well, some will disagree but it looks shit and doesn't look aggressive enough for me, sorry matthewt, cool bike in it's own right just not my cuppa tea.

No need to be sorry, it'd be a boring place if we all like the same bike.

While I like my Brutale I'm more passionate about the F4. Once the 1000cc models start appearing on the 2nd hand market I'll be seriously looking at them. I rode the demo bike and didn't want to give it back :devil2:

[Lou Girardin]

hit lou up, actually your a cop he may not let you, maybe "john" should go in and ask......

I don't do bike sales. But having said that, I've got nothing against Marty, never will. :devil2:

PS Ours has got the KTM Akrapovic system on it!

[sAsLEX]

91.Cancellation and reinstatement of demerit points—
(1)When 2 years have elapsed since the commission of an offence in respect of which demerit points were recorded, the entry of the points made in respect of that offence ceases to have effect in relation to the person who committed that offence; but if demerit points were recorded in respect of 2 or more offences committed by that person, the entry ceases to have effect when 2 years have elapsed since the commission of the most recent of those offences.

So you get one ticket for 20 demerits every 23 months and 28 days, on the end of the 8th year you get another ticket for 20 demerits and you loose your license!??!? Sounds like bullshit to me, effectivally the punishment for the first offence has been extended by two years every two years. whats it called, double jeopardy when you get charged for the same offence twice, or more in this case.

[shadow]

Ktm stock pipes are real heavy 55% weight saving with Akrapovic aftermarket pipes.
with that weight loss and abit more power, sounds like a worth while excersise without taking noise into account.