Car crushing in the ODT today (13 Dec)

[Flip]

Well its a start.

http://www.odt.co.nz/your-town/milton/190566/crushed-milton-boy-racer-loves-me-carz-burnouts

It's just a pity the car wasn't taken at the time of the last burnout, but then he was narked on after the fact.

"Currently, there are 86 people nationwide who have received two previous convictions for illegal street racing." The only thing I want to know, is there a place I can buy tickets to the crushing.

[Jantar]

A 1982 Corolla DX with no motor? It'll cost more to crush it than the vehicle is worth, and the taxpayer will have to pay for it.

[Flip]

But if he was caught in the act they would have taken the car then and there. As it was one of his mates narked on him and he was able to strip it out, there is a very good reason why there is not secret court sittings, its the price of justice. They will get him next time.

[huff3r]

And he will just buy another shell, put all the good bits he has clearly removed from his own "car" already on it, and keep on doing it.

[ducatilover]

"we just need a place to skid"

Piss off Noddy, there have been places set up all over the country for skids :facepalm:

Good riddance to a shitbox anyway.

[Scuba_Steve]

They will get him next time.

:killingme no offence but you really must be one of the knee-jerk reaction brigade to believe that :rofl:. Dunn had it right "Mr Dunn said the three-strike rule would do little to deter boy racers"
This boy racer rule is utter BS, just give them a concrete pad to kill themselves on & leave it at that best thing we could do

[oneofsix]

they had and released it to him.

Senior Constable Jim Jordan, of Milton, said the Toyota had been impounded for 28 days, but was released after the payment of a fee, but now a warrant would be issued by the courts for it to be seized
so what is the message? that we want punitive measures rather than corrective?
Bring back the lynch mob

:jerry:

[Flip]

:killingme no offence but you really must be one of the knee-jerk reaction brigade to believe that :rofl:. Dunn had it right "Mr Dunn said the three-strike rule would do little to deter boy racers"
This boy racer rule is utter BS, just give them a concrete pad to kill themselves on & leave it at that best thing we could do

No i don't think it will make much diference but its a start and there is 88 other morons on their last warning.

So the courts did a dumb thing releasing it too soon, whats a DX toyota motor worth? $50 if you are lucky. Whats the labour cost to do a motor swap?

To me it's personal, after living in the outskirts of Christchurch for so long, I am delighted to see one of the toss pots cars being recycled.

[baffa]

Read this in another forum.
Some of the forum members had mutual facebook friends, so found some info.

Dumbass already has a replacement car, a Lancer GSR.
His latest facebook updates including laughing about breaking his foot by jumping out of a moving vehicle.

Waste of oxygen

[EJK]

Read this in another forum.
Some of the forum members had mutual facebook friends, so found some info.

Dumbass already has a replacement car, a Lancer GSR.
His latest facebook updates including laughing about breaking his foot by jumping out of a moving vehicle.

Waste of oxygen

We should buckle him up next time he is in his car.... under the crusher :-)

[Madness]

Doing skids in cars was all part of growing up in my day. I don't understand all the hate on KB towards the boy racers TBH, but that's just me I s'pose.

[oldrider]

Doing skids in cars was all part of growing up in my day. I don't understand all the hate on KB towards the boy racers TBH, but that's just me I s'pose.

Because boy racers get away with it and motorcyclist equivalents don't, well they get denounced a lot more by comparison! :sick:

[HenryDorsetCase]

That fuckwit's bigger problem was, of course, rampant gingervitis.

its fatal you know. He'll have it till the day he dies.

[Jantar]

.....
Dumbass already has a replacement car, a Lancer GSR....
And almost two years before he legally drive it. I'm sure that he wouldn't ever consider driving with a suspended licence :innocent: .

[avgas]

I can't wait for them to start crushing cool stuff like GSXR's and Harleys.

Crushing vehicles is just a waste of time and money. better off stripping and selling them.
Very clean and green NZ. Right up there with giving people home detention rather than getting them to clean something. :facepalm:

[avgas]

And almost two years before he legally drive it. I'm sure that he wouldn't ever consider driving with a suspended licence :innocent: .
He will just have to catch the Milton Public Transport System.

Oh wait. :laugh:

[jellywrestler]

And he will just buy another shell, put all the good bits he has clearly removed from his own "car" already on it, and keep on doing it.

there are no 'good bits' on a toyota corolla

[The Pastor]

sad people, just cos media hate boy racers.

it wasnt too long ago when the same hatred was pointed to motorcyclists.

[paturoa]

That has to be the weakest, most stipid peice of leglislation ever, pathetic.

The BR has to be caught 3 times in the SAME car, before the car is crushed. So at 2x caught, swap it for another and carry on, duh!

[JimO]

Milton is full of fuckwits

[White trash]

Just watching this shit on the news, the car's a total piece of shit that's been totally stripped, no motor, front guards, bonnet, interior. So the little cunt gets to take all the shit out of or off it, then hand over a fucked shell for "crushing"?

What a total fucking joke. Milton's just down the road, go sort the cunt out properly Scummy.

[Flip]

Na its not just the media who don't like them.:innocent:

I have had 10 years of being woken at night by them driving back and forward past my house with their noisy little rice burners.

It's a start.:Punk:

[caseye]

Na its not just the media who don't like them.:innocent:

I have had 10 years of being woken at night by them driving back and forward past my house with their noisy little rice burners.

It's a start.:Punk:

They;re called Z nails! 10 years,?heard about the guy up in Manukau? got out his Front end loader and cleaned up a few Boy racers, it happens and it's happening more and more.
Not saying it's a thing you could just go and do but hell you must be heartily sick and tired of em by now.
This law will begin to have an effect sooner rather than later, it was never designed to start working straight away and as for how many times etc, well if there was to be any changes made to it.
Perhaps it should just be that once impounded the car doesn't come OUT until it's either returned or crushed!

[DMNTD]

Doing skids in cars was all part of growing up in my day. I don't understand all the hate on KB towards the boy racers TBH, but that's just me I s'pose.

Yeah nah...I agree too e hoa. Doing a few skids was just the norm, same I guess with doing the odd mono etc. What they call drifting we called simply going for a hoon :laugh:

But none of that shit now...we're all way too above that

[onearmedbandit]

Age; it's a wonderful thing.

[caseye]

Hey did you go doing skids and swerves in you Street or the street of unknown strangers at night? I did plenty of skids and swerves and hooning, but never somewhere where I was going to piss people off to the point that they came out of their houses and complained or attempted to stop proceedings. If they had, we'd have scarpered!
The difference today is these little Pricks do just this and they bait people , then they beat them in their own streets and homes for having the audacity to tell some young punks 0ff for doing shit that IS DANGEROUS.
I still ride at speed, but not when there are other road users about, or when there's poor visibility or other circumstances make speed dangerous.
The youth of today have no respect for their peers or their elders and they have in recent times simply hunted down ordinary people who have had the guts to confront them or report them and KILLED THEM FOR IT.
Is this acceptable?
I say No and I still intervene if I see anything happening in my neighbourhood or on the roads.
Stopped outside a park on Sunday, there on the corner a lady sitting minding her own business, while her two children(8 -12 maybe) climbed an 8 foot rock wall and prepared to descend into the owners property. I stopped and addressed them directly, hey you live there?
Mum turned around and yelled at them to get down! Would not have happened if I hadn't stopped, more likely that Mum would have had some nice Chrissy presents aye!
Being on a bike might have made it a bit better for me, but imagine another few bods present, I'd have done the same, what would the outcome have been. They were there for spoils not fun!

[DMNTD]

....chortle chortle yada yada...
I must admit that as a teen I was a cunt on the road, no questions at all. I got a few smacks in the head too...deserved all plus some.
Bikes, cars and 4wd's...had a freckin' hoot!
I do not condone what some of the boy racers are doing however I do understand a bit of hoonáge no question.
FFS...I'm 41 and was doing donuts in a car a couple of weeks ago....love that shit!
The biggest difference these days is that my hoonáge doesn't affect anyone else.

[Usarka]

The biggest difference these days is that the roads are so much busier so a) there's more hoons on the road = more noticeable, and b) your'e more likely to be seen by someone.


I went for a drive in the wagon the other day trying to find a quiet street to practice some handbrake turns after it'd been raining. Couldn't find one.... :(

[DMNTD]

The biggest difference these days is that the roads are so much busier so a) there's more hoons on the road = more noticeable, and b) your'e more likely to be seen by someone.


I went for a drive in the wagon the other day trying to find a quiet street to practice some handbrake turns after it'd been raining. Couldn't find one.... :(

100% truths

[scumdog]

And almost two years before he legally drive it. I'm sure that he wouldn't ever consider driving with a suspended licence :innocent: .

Counting the days....<_<:whistle:

[ducatilover]

Just watching this shit on the news, the car's a total piece of shit that's been totally stripped, no motor, front guards, bonnet, interior. So the little cunt gets to take all the shit out of or off it, then hand over a fucked shell for "crushing"?

What a total fucking joke. Milton's just down the road, go sort the cunt out properly Scummy.
There is a dickhead in my town who just parted out his Skyline. Whenever I saw it, it was sideways, doing a skid or speeding. He did a runner, lost his licence and ripped everything out of it.
Gets right up my nose, we were having a BBQ last new years and kids were running around, not too far from the road, blah blah flowers and shit...and this bum licking cock grabber comes around the corner on full opposite lock, uses the whole road and continues to skid down the road, past kids etc. Hooded, cap wearing cunt.
If only one of the Macks was out on the road, he would've hit it...:devil2:
Fuckin' idiot.

[bucket boy]

I wonder why they like seeing there tyre all disapear.

[5150]

With all due respect, so how all this differ from some cunts riding their bikes like they own the road? Treating it like it's their own Moto GP track? Wheelies, burnouts and flashing inbetween cars? :Pokey:

[HenryDorsetCase]

With all due respect, so how all this differ from some cunts riding their bikes like they own the road? Treating it like it's their own Moto GP track? Wheelies, burnouts and flashing inbetween cars? :Pokey:

That was the elephant in the room. You just had to go there didn't you?

[willytheekid]

Ive done my part! :niceone:

My partners baby brother has just got his license and a..."sigh"...skyline!
He's painted it black, had it lowered and all that other boy racer shit.(So he's easier to spot for the cops I spose?)

Needless to say, I love the little bugger & would hate to see him get killed on the roads or worse!...kill an innocent!

....So I had a wee "chat" with him regarding "time and place for fun!" & safety etc etc
He's a good kid, and actually listened to my "old man" rant :laugh:-(much to my surprise!)

He takes the car down to the waimake when its quiet and does his drifty, spinny shit down there (still not "legal"..but a much safer area to learn & have fun...and we know where he is!)

He has been made VERY! clear of what I will do to him and his car should I hear of, or see him doing, dangerous shit on the public roads! (along the lines of: the cops can fine you & possible crush your car....But I can cripple you!...and I like! bonfires!!)

So far....he's been bloody good :clap:

He's even set his mates straight a couple of times in regards to dangerous driving! (He even got out of a mates car and told him he was dick for speeding...then walked home!)

...there IS hope for some of these kids, its just a shame there out numbered by the ignorant and disrespectful ones 100 to 1.

Nothing wrong with kids having fun!....its just most of these little pricks nowdays seem to think other peoples rights & safety come second to there "fun".


But my baby brother in law seems to be heading down the right path...even if it is in a bloody skyline!!



(ps: Yes!...I Have told him about bikes!....follow to close, do stupid shit around them, and I hear about it through mates, his mom or KB...and I WILL be arranging a KB beat down! (with bonfire!!!)....tickets only $1!..BYO mashmellows:laugh:...scummy/rasticat :Police: etc get in for free!)

[Scuba_Steve]

...there IS hope for some of these kids, its just a shame there out numbered by the ignorant and disrespectful ones 100 to 1.

Nothing wrong with kids having fun!....its just most of these little pricks nowdays seem to think other peoples rights & safety come second to there "fun".

But my baby brother in law seems to be heading down the right path...even if it is in a bloody skyline!!


If you've actually been in the "crowd", like most "crowds" the wankers are the minority but like always tend to be the loudest.
Most these people just wanna place to "play". I used to "play" but we would take it to industrial areas, dead end streets with no-one around, no houses, no pedestrians, no traffic. It's when the PIGs decide to inforce their laws, that your taking a harmless bit of "fun" & forcing it into a problem.
Atleast while people are "hooning" round industrial areas they're no annoyance or danger to residential public, but when they get forced out they'll start "hooning" the streets & it's worse if they've just been kicked out of an area as they'll be doing it in "protest", there's a stupid ego thing at play when it comes to "boyracers" on both sides (PIG's & teens)

If we just gave "boyracers" a place to play, be it ignoring them in industrial areas or a dedicated pad, 80%-90% of them would no longer be a "problem" the remainder are like in any group & will always be a problem no matter what you do. They're the ones that need sorting.

[willytheekid]

If you've actually been in the "crowd", like most "crowds" the wankers are the minority but like always tend to be the loudest.
Most these people just wanna place to "play". I used to "play" but we would take it to industrial areas, dead end streets with no-one around, no houses, no pedestrians, no traffic. It's when the PIGs decide to inforce their laws, that your taking a harmless bit of "fun" & forcing it into a problem.
Atleast while people are "hooning" round industrial areas they're no annoyance or danger to residential public, but when they get forced out they'll start "hooning" the streets & it's worse if they've just been kicked out of an area as they'll be doing it in "protest", there's a stupid ego thing at play when it comes to "boyracers" on both sides (PIG's & teens)

If we just gave "boyracers" a place to play, be it ignoring them in industrial areas or a dedicated pad, 80%-90% of them would no longer be a "problem" the remainder are like in any group & will always be a problem no matter what you do. They're the ones that need sorting.

Been in the "crowd" for 14yrs mate (running bars & night clubs all around NZ)...and unfortunately, ditched that career due to the "minority"...turing into a majority!:(

As for providing a place for them to have fun....yup, understand what ya mean mate, and agree!...but the PC brigade would ruin it (safety safety safety...the kids would run a mile!)
Its a bloody hard problem to solve ay...and Im definately not the one with the answers :laugh:...but Im gonna try my best to at least keep the little bro in law alive and out of jail (even if I have to hurt him! ;) )

But the lack of respect for authority and others is a clear problem nowdays amongst kids...I personally think most of the issues stem from there.

-Always good to hear from ya Steve :niceone:

[GPS MAN]

Good to see another one off the road:bleh:

I do agree they need somewhere they can go to do their burnouts....:Police:

[DMNTD]

With all due respect, so how all this differ from some cunts riding their bikes like they own the road? Treating it like it's their own Moto GP track? Wheelies, burnouts and flashing inbetween cars? :Pokey:

Shhhhh...remember it's all THEM and never US so it seems

[5150]

:shutup::whistle:
That was the elephant in the room. You just had to go there didn't you?

[5150]

Shhhhh...remember it's all THEM and never US so it seems

Ah yes, forgot for a minute this is the motorcycle forum. As you were then....:corn:

[scumdog]

Good to see another one off the road:bleh:

I do agree they need somewhere they can go to do their burnouts....:Police:

It's been tried before by well-meaning people but imho it doesn't work for long - too many boys love the spur of the moment skid to 'impress' the girls and show off to their mates.

Or likewise have a traffic-light race (bugger going to the drags, everybody would find out I'm full of shit when they see my Evo can't really do a 11 second 1/4)

So in the centre of town is where they find girls and have mates hanging around - and the traffic lights of course.

And I suspect this 'somewhere' would not have Maccas and all the other important things in life right there...

(Comments from the Grinch...:devil2:)

[cold comfort]

Very true for all the reasons outlined. As another correspondent has stated young women are attracted to young men considered to be "bad boys" and sadly having your already stripped and worthless vehicle crushed will serve as no deterrent, rather something to brag about.

[Berries]

I do agree they need somewhere they can go to do their burnouts....:Police:
He was in Milton. That's what it is for.

[caseye]

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/crime/news/article.cfm?c_id=30&objectid=10771451

This is the sort of behaviour I was referring to.
Unfortunately it is NOW the NORM, not the exception.

[Scuba_Steve]

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/crime/news/article.cfm?c_id=30&objectid=10771451

This is the sort of behaviour I was referring to.
Unfortunately it is NOW the NORM, not the exception.

This is why we need to be testing the drugs. Reckon those fucktards were on 'P'

[scumdog]

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/crime/news/article.cfm?c_id=30&objectid=10771451

This is the sort of behaviour I was referring to.
Unfortunately it is NOW the NORM, not the exception.

Meh...their dunger in the pic makes me suspect they weren't 'real' boy-racers, more likely they are brain-dead bozos who like doing skids...but don't want anybody else to record the joyful event...losers.

[ducatilover]

Meh...they're dunger in the pic makes me suspect they weren't 'real' boy-racers, more likely they are brain-dead bozos who like doing skids...but don't want anybody else to record the joyful event...losers.
I thought the Nissan Cefiro was the obligatory bog-racer car?

That in itself wasn't a boy racer problem, but a hyped up bunch f cunts problem. Lock them up.

[Flip]

The little prick is going to get 3 square meals and all the sex he can take for the next few years. Ha ha.

[SMOKEU]

The behaviour from many of you on this site is nothing short of hypocritical. You judge (with malice) those who enjoy doing the odd skid (how many of you have never done a burnout in your life?), yet many of you own big sports bikes. Why would you ride a 1000cc sports bike with a noisy exhaust capable of going close to 300kmh on a public road if you never intend to speed? Many of you are just older boy racers who cruise around on done up bikes rather than modified cars. Why not just buy something like a GN250 or VTR250?

I can guarantee that most medium-big sports bike riders on here have done shit on their bikes that's a whole lot more dangerous than a little skid. Grow the fuck up and get over it.

[avgas]

But none of that shit now...we're all way too above that
Nah we all got married, and our wives have our balls in little bags.

We now fall into the following catagories:
a) Harley owners who are bankers by day and bikers on sunday afternoons after we have had a nap and a cup of tea.
b) Sportbike owners who own more coloured leather and crash aids than an Aerosmith concert.
c) Guzzi / Triumph owners.......and we don't have time to ride. We think we are awesome and need to get ready for tonights swiggers meet.
d) BMW owners.

So we are all safe when it comes to getting our bikes crushed. They would have to catch us on it first. And to do that we would have to be riding it and breaking the law. When was the last time someone did that on a motorbike?

:yawn: Right i'm off now. Nurse is coming with my tea. Then I am going to chat to a chap about Triumphs. Then its nap time.

[Scuba_Steve]

The behaviour from many of your on this site is nothing short of hypocritical. You judge (with malice) those who enjoy doing the odd skid (how many of you have never done a burnout in your life?), yet many of you own big sports bikes. Why would you ride a 1000cc sports bike with a noisy exhaust capable of going close to 300kmh on a public road if you never intend to speed? Many of you are just older boy racers who cruise around on done up bikes rather than modified cars. Why not just buy something like a GN250 or VTR250?

I can guarantee that most medium-big sports bike riders on here have done shit on their bikes that's a whole lot more dangerous than a little skid. Grow the fuck up and get over it.

To an extent he's not wrong. There's about 2-wheels of separation between bikers & car enthusiasts, both sides have their "boy-racers", both sides have their "posers", both sides have their "oldies" or "classics" & both sides have their appreciators.
Bikers are just lucky we don't all get dumped in "boy-racer" category like car enthusiasts, but our standing is not alot better. We bitch & moan how cagers think we're all the same, all gang members, hoons, dangerous & should be banned, yet here the bikers are doing the same.

Not saying the people pointed out here don't deserve it the guy with the axe definitely does, but that doesn't mean they all do or they deserve the attention & inforcment they get.
Who here is looking forward to the inforcement coming up? the hounding on reg's, WOF's, speed, tyres, full check over for no good reason when your just out for a ride???
Well just as you sit here going "the boy-racers deserve it", guess what? the cages are saying the same thing "the bikers deserve it"

[scumdog]

The behaviour from many of your on this site is nothing short of hypocritical. You judge (with malice) those who enjoy doing the odd skid (how many of you have never done a burnout in your life?), yet many of you own big sports bikes. Why would you ride a 1000cc sports bike with a noisy exhaust capable of going close to 300kmh on a public road if you never intend to speed? Many of you are just older boy racers who cruise around on done up bikes rather than modified cars. Why not just buy something like a GN250 or VTR250?

I can guarantee that most medium-big sports bike riders on here have done shit on their bikes that's a whole lot more dangerous than a little skid. Grow the fuck up and get over it.

Big call from a boy...


And you can't mean me of course - my bike is neither 'sports' nor capable of 300kph.

But to be clear: My comments were aimed more at these bozos actions in attacking the old dudes house.

In fact they make bozos look smart.

[Madness]

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See... They ain't all that bad.

[Berries]

500 bucks says she's not from Milton.

[Jantar]

The behaviour from many of you on this site is nothing short of hypocritical. You judge (with malice) those who enjoy doing the odd skid (how many of you have never done a burnout in your life?), yet many of you own big sports bikes. Why would you ride a 1000cc sports bike with a noisy exhaust capable of going close to 300kmh on a public road if you never intend to speed? Many of you are just older boy racers who cruise around on done up bikes rather than modified cars. Why not just buy something like a GN250 or VTR250?

I can guarantee that most medium-big sports bike riders on here have done shit on their bikes that's a whole lot more dangerous than a little skid. Grow the fuck up and get over it.

The big difference is that you don't see trains of up to 200 bikes cruising around residential streets, spinning up their tyres and making as much noise as possible after midnight. Nor do you see organised large groups of motorcyclists doing burnouts and drag racing on public roads just for the enjoyment of annoying other people.

[SMOKEU]

The big difference is that you don't see trains of up to 200 bikes cruising around residential streets, spinning up their tyres and making as much noise as possible after midnight. Nor do you see organised large groups of motorcyclists doing burnouts and drag racing on public roads just for the enjoyment of annoying other people.

Doing skids falls more into a breach of the peace type offence, and possibly wilful damage than a serious danger. How is this any worse than a group of drunk people walking down the street at 2am being rowdy perhaps smashing a glass bottle on the street? If someone is in a car with one foot on the brakes and the other foot on the throttle spinning the tyres, then it's hardly a serious offence. Who's going to get hurt or killed by a little skid? I live on a busy road in a residential area and someone does a small burnout down the road from me about once a month that I know of. It's hardly enough to start complaining.

I have seen large groups of motorcyclists on group rides on public roads where a few of them do dangerous shit which has a high risk of causing serious harm to themselves and others, all of which is far more dangerous than a little burnout. People often like to show off on group rides.

Also when riding to Akaroa I have on numerous occasions seen people riding sports bikes overtaking on blind corners and otherwise riding in a manner likely to cause danger to not only themselves, but other road users as well.

Funny how if a young male car driver does something a little silly, but not dangerous, a witch hunt often ensues, yet if a motorcyclist does something stupid then it's not viewed as being anywhere near as bad.

[scumdog]

Funny how if a young male car driver does something a little silly, but not dangerous, a witch hunt often ensues, .

Because too often 'something silly' turns into 'something really stoopid and dangerous'.

And when somebody want to film this idiocy? - nek minnit their house gets chopped up by perpatrator of said idiocy.

Your judgement alone indicates you are one of the 'something silly' brigade....

[SMOKEU]

Because too often 'something silly' turns into 'something really stoopid and dangerous'.

And when somebody want to film this idiocy? - nek minnit their house gets chopped up by perpatrator of said idiocy.

Your judgement alone indicates you are one of the 'something silly' brigade....

I'm against people doing stupid shit on public roads that is likely to cause harm to other people. Eg, driving at 150kmh outside a primary school while kids are trying to cross the road, driving sideways and out of control through a roundabout during heavy traffic etc.

It's just that a small skid is not going to hurt anyone. During a burnout the vehicle is either stationary or moving at a slow speed. This is generally safer than overtaking a vehicle on the open road at 120kmh. The government has spent all this time and effort to turn car enthusiasts into criminals, while at the same time letting the real criminals off with comparatively minor punishments.

[Berries]

car enthusiasts
I think you've just been outed.

[SMOKEU]

I think you've just been outed.

I don't own a car, if that's what you're hinting at.

[caseye]

Hey SMOKE, read what i wrote, will ya. I'm not talking about the little hoon who does as you have said, and does a burnout down the end of a street, I'm talking about the groups of hoons in high powered cars who do actively go looking for trouble and who literally think nothing of beating people who have the nerves to try and do something about their dangerous behaviour. You have leapt to the defence of a little guy doing silly shit, not the idiots who don't care and who will kill you if you speak out, this is not scare mongering it happens all to often now.It's those hoons I'm against and I'm damn sure you would be too.

[GrayWolf]

If you've actually been in the "crowd", like most "crowds" the wankers are the minority but like always tend to be the loudest.
Most these people just wanna place to "play". I used to "play" but we would take it to industrial areas, dead end streets with no-one around, no houses, no pedestrians, no traffic. It's when the PIGs decide to inforce their laws, that your taking a harmless bit of "fun" & forcing it into a problem.

If we just gave "boyracers" a place to play, be it ignoring them in industrial areas or a dedicated pad, 80%-90% of them would no longer be a "problem" the remainder are like in any group & will always be a problem no matter what you do. They're the ones that need sorting.

Sorry scuba, but your need to reference the Police as 'PIGS' all the time doesnt do your arguement any favours. I have lived in an area (invercargill) where the local stock car club DID make a concrete pad at their track for the boy racers to use for burnouts etc......
They much prefered to put oil on the road at roundabouts etc, it was a waste of money and effort. So sadly the 'minority' was the majority as the lot of them carried on hooning on the public roads.

[NordieBoy]

Many a loaded log truck has done an 18 wheeled drift due to the shit these arseholes pour on the road here.

[Scuba_Steve]

Sorry scuba, but your need to reference the Police as 'PIGS' all the time doesnt do your arguement any favours. I have lived in an area (invercargill) where the local stock car club DID make a concrete pad at their track for the boy racers to use for burnouts etc......
They much prefered to put oil on the road at roundabouts etc, it was a waste of money and effort. So sadly the 'minority' was the majority as the lot of them carried on hooning on the public roads.

Not all the time, I reference P.I.G.s (police inforcement 'guys') as PIGs & cops as cops, the appropriate names are used in the appropriate places (most times, I do occasionally confuse them).

Question about the pad tho. Was it's use heavily restricted with what could be done or vehicle requirements i.e. WOF/reg etc? & did it cost?

[Virago]

Not all the time, I reference P.I.G.s (police inforcement 'guys') as PIGs & cops as cops, the appropriate names are used in the appropriate places (most times, I do occasionally confuse them)...

Giggling childishly about hiding insults behind acronyms simply confirms that you're a CUNT.

(Constantly Using Nasty Terminology).


P.S. Inforcement isn't a word - you dumb CUNT.

:innocent:

[Kickaha]

I have lived in an area (invercargill) where the local stock car club DID make a concrete pad at their track for the boy racers to use for burnouts etc......
They much prefered to put oil on the road at roundabouts etc, it was a waste of money and effort. So sadly the 'minority' was the majority as the lot of them carried on hooning on the public roads.

They did the same in Chch with the same result

[Bikemad]

i remember all the boy racers from CHCH used to head down to the RAMP,beach side carpark,in brighton on the weekends many years ago............everyone would park up.........diesel would be dropped and people took turns either burning out or cruisin through the shops,before it was made pedestrian only,to return and do another burnout to the cheers of the yobbos sittin on their cars,swiiling piss..........this ain't nothing new except we never attacked anyone who complained........we would go elsewhere............ah the good ol days.......still want an AP5 Valiant one day

[Scuba_Steve]

P.S. Inforcement isn't a word - you dumb CUNT.

:innocent:

you can read it, you can write it, you can say it. Congratulations you have just learnt what a word is.
infocement - to force the law upon.

[Virago]

you can read it, you can write it, you can say it. Congratulations you have just learnt what a word is.
infocement - to force the law upon.

I has been iducated...

[Bikemad]

infocement???........not in my dictionary stevo

[Brian407]

It's when the PIGs decide to inforce their laws, that your taking a harmless bit of "fun" & forcing it into a problem.

And therein lies the problem. A complete and utter lack of respect for the LAW and those that have to ENFORCE it. You do fucken realise that the 'pigs' as you so eloquently put it, have no fucken choice but to ENFORCE the law. Thats what we pay them to do on our behalf. They dont get to 'pick and choose' what they will and wont enforce on a particular day. And what thanks do they get for doing their job? Wankers completely disrespecting them, their uniform, and the people they represent. US.

As long as adults continue to disrespect, and disregard the law, the kids will too, it's a learned behaviour. If you really want to address the problem, start where it begins; AT HOME. Put a fence at the top of the cliff instead of an ambulance at the bottom. If kids see the parents showing respect they'll learn it too. Much more effective than crushing cars and causing further resentment. But, as there's not too much hope of some of the parents growing a brain, there's very little hope of kids learning respect at home, so the POLICE and the COURTS are left to deal with the aftermath, and be maligned for doing their jobs.

Before you criticise anyone, walk a mile in his shoes first.

[Virago]

infocement???........not in my dictionary stevo

Try an incyclopaedia... :laugh:

[Brian407]

If someone is in a car with one foot on the brakes and the other foot on the throttle spinning the tyres, then it's hardly a serious offence. Who's going to get hurt or killed by a little skid?

Are you fucken serious??? 3 or 4 donuts at full noise in a crowd of a couple hundred people is hardly a little skid. It's fucken madness, is what it is. People have been, and will continue to be hurt by this shit. I watched two teenage girls get mowed down by one of these 'harmless' fucken morons one night. Fortunately there was nothing more than bruises and scrapes, but it could have been much, much worse.

Entire residential streets have been blocked off by hundreds of these clowns, while they do thier 'harmless little skids' and the residents, at 2am, are too fucken scared to come out of thier homes, lest they be set on by drunken teenage mobs. You can laugh if you like, but it does happen, and more often than you think. Ive seen it many times.

The difference is, that back in the days when I had V8's, and did the occasional skid, I had respect for other people, and thier property, so didnt deliberatly seek out place where i could cause maximum public nusiance, and I never, never, abused someone else's property and laughed, or taunted them about it.

The serious offense, that you speak of, is a lack of respect for the law, but sadly you seem to be another one that thinks that's okay as long as no one gets hurt. Define your definition of getting hurt. For the residents of a suburban street at 2am, the hurt is emotional, not alway physical.

[Brian407]

you can read it, you can write it, you can say it. Congratulations you have just learnt what a word is.
infocement - to force the law upon.

Does your spell checker not work??? or is it ignorant like you. Pretty sure the last time I looked En/Inforcement had an 'R' in it, you silly CUNT.

[SMOKEU]

Are you fucken serious??? 3 or 4 donuts at full noise in a crowd of a couple hundred people is hardly a little skid. It's fucken madness, is what it is. People have been, and will continue to be hurt by this shit. I watched two teenage girls get mowed down by one of these 'harmless' fucken morons one night. Fortunately there was nothing more than bruises and scrapes, but it could have been much, much worse.

Entire residential streets have been blocked off by hundreds of these clowns, while they do thier 'harmless little skids' and the residents, at 2am, are too fucken scared to come out of thier homes, lest they be set on by drunken teenage mobs. You can laugh if you like, but it does happen, and more often than you think. Ive seen it many times.

The difference is, that back in the days when I had V8's, and did the occasional skid, I had respect for other people, and thier property, so didnt deliberatly seek out place where i could cause maximum public nusiance, and I never, never, abused someone else's property and laughed, or taunted them about it.

The serious offense, that you speak of, is a lack of respect for the law, but sadly you seem to be another one that thinks that's okay as long as no one gets hurt. Define your definition of getting hurt. For the residents of a suburban street at 2am, the hurt is emotional, not alway physical.

You're taking this whole thing right out of context. There's a difference between blocking off a whole street and terrorising residents compared to a single vehicle doing a skid.

Just like there's a difference between going 200kmh on a deserted road in the countryside and speeding through a sports field where kids are playing cricket on a Saturday morning.

What you're talking about is no different to an out of control party with 200 people walking down the streets smashing bottles and starting fights. The thing is that those people who smash bottles and start fights may end up getting arrested and getting a small fine after a court appearance. So why should large mobs of out of control teenagers be treated any better than someone doing a skid? You were saying that people get hurt by out of control cars skidding up, are you also saying that innocent people getting bashed don't get hurt? Why is it acceptable that groups of people bashing innocent people minding their own business often get treated better by the courts that people who do a skid?

[Virago]

...Just like there's a difference between going 200kmh on a deserted road in the countryside and speeding through a sports field where kids are playing cricket on a Saturday morning.

Or being caught speeding past a school and then whining about it...? :msn-wink:

[Brian407]

You're taking this whole thing right out of context. There's a difference between blocking off a whole street and terrorising residents compared to a single vehicle doing a skid.

Just like there's a difference between going 200kmh on a deserted road in the countryside and speeding through a sports field where kids are playing cricket on a Saturday morning.

What you're talking about is no different to an out of control party with 200 people walking down the streets smashing bottles and starting fights. The thing is that those people who smash bottles and start fights may end up getting arrested and getting a small fine after a court appearance. So why should large mobs of out of control teenagers be treated any better than someone doing a skid?

So, Breaking the law is okay as long as no one gets hurt, is that what you're saying ? It sounds like it too me, and its exactly that sort of mentality that the problems stem from. Everything starts with a beginning, and your 'harmless' bloke doing his skid is a beginning, and because we have an entire generation, and now possibly two, with a complete lack of respect for the law, it snowballs into what we see all too often in suburban streets.

Gray Wolf referred to the burn out pad that we had here in Invercargill, out at Riverside Raceway, if memory serves. That was one of Tim's attempts to get 'harmless little skids' off the streets, problem was, there was no audience, and no one to 'freak out' with their behaviour, so they took to organising 'trains' out to country roads just out of town, and terrorising farmers instead, or pouring oil on roundabouts and laughing at innocent drivers crashing into the war memorial, or other cars. We didnt do that shit back in the day, we had respect for others, and tyres were too bloody expensive.

Your 'harmless' bloke doing his skid these days is seen by others who then in turn think it's okay for them to do it, and so on, and so on. As long as that mentality exists the bigger problem will never be solved.

Because respect is gone, and not coming back anytime soon, Get Bigger Crushers I say. Do it on the spot.

[Flip]

Doing skids falls more into a breach of the peace type offence, and possibly wilful damage than a serious danger. How is this any worse than a group of drunk people walking down the street at 2am being rowdy perhaps smashing a glass bottle on the street? If someone is in a car with one foot on the brakes and the other foot on the throttle spinning the tyres, then it's hardly a serious offence. Who's going to get hurt or killed by a little skid? I live on a busy road in a residential area and someone does a small burnout down the road from me about once a month that I know of. It's hardly enough to start complaining.

I have seen large groups of motorcyclists on group rides on public roads where a few of them do dangerous shit which has a high risk of causing serious harm to themselves and others, all of which is far more dangerous than a little burnout. People often like to show off on group rides.

Also when riding to Akaroa I have on numerous occasions seen people riding sports bikes overtaking on blind corners and otherwise riding in a manner likely to cause danger to not only themselves, but other road users as well.

Funny how if a young male car driver does something a little silly, but not dangerous, a witch hunt often ensues, yet if a motorcyclist does something stupid then it's not viewed as being anywhere near as bad.

That wee kid who was killed in Beckenham, that old couple who were killed in Sydenham and the asian Lady who was killed in Moorhouse ave this year no longer have a voice to say how dangerous the boy racer culture has become.

I don't see why the boy racers deserve any better treatment by the authorities than any other criminal group. You see them as Robin Hood’s thumbing their noses at authority, I see them as a dangerous minority group of wannabe criminal thugs.

[Brian407]

That wee kid who was killed in Beckenham, that old couple who were killed in Sydenham and the asian Lady who was killed in Moorhouse ave....


Or the three teenagers killed here, slamming into a wall at over 200kph....(my daughter was in that car half an hour prior to that) the list goes on, and will continue to do so until parents and caregivers get a grip and start showing some respect, that the kids can learn from.

[Flip]

Or the three teenagers killed here, slamming into a wall at over 200kph....(my daughter was in that car half an hour prior to that) the list goes on, and will continue to do so until parents and caregivers get a grip and start showing some respect, that the kids can learn from.

I do not believe many of the boy racers are boys, I would say the majority of them are adults and very middle class.

I also don't buy into the PC crap about it being their parents fault, they are just "Boys in mens undies" out looking for some fun.

[SMOKEU]

Or being caught speeding past a school and then whining about it...? :msn-wink:

6kmh over the 50kmh limit is a lot different from going 100kmh in a 50kmh zone.


That wee kid who was killed in Beckenham, that old couple who were killed in Sydenham and the asian Lady who was killed in Moorhouse ave this year no longer have a voice to say how dangerous the boy racer culture has become.

I don't see why the boy racers deserve any better treatment by the authorities than any other criminal group. You see them as Robin Hood’s thumbing their noses at authority, I see them as a dangerous minority group of wannabe criminal thugs.

And the drunk dude who did a runner from the cops and killed 2 elderly people down Fitzgerald Ave, or the lady driving the BMW who didn't look properly at an intersection and wiped out a motorcyclist, or the cop who did a U turn in front of a motorcyclist, or the dude who did a dangerous overtaking manoeuvre and caused a head on crash, or the dude on the GSXR1000 who overtook on a blind corner and nearly caused a head on crash....

The fact remains that NZ drivers are shit in general. The majority of drivers can't even indicate properly at a roundabout, and if they can't do something so simple, why are they even allowed on the roads? It's so easy to blame everyone who is young and drives a "modified" car, but the fact remains that adults are poor drivers as well. It's much easier to blame young people than to admit that your own driving abilities are not as good as you think they are.

Like I've said before, the double standards on this site really piss me off. Plenty of people on here have modified bikes with aftermarket exhausts which are specifically designed to increase the noise output (come on, does a CBR1000RR really need any more power?). Those same people think it's OK for them to do stupid shit like push themselves to the limits on public roads and to attempt to break the land speed record, but if some young dude in a car does the same thing then they should be shot. Why?

I know that a motorbike can do less damage to a third party in the event of a crash than a 1.5 ton car moving at the same speed, but what about if there is an out of control motorcyclist, and a car driver takes evasive action to avoid hitting the motorcyclist? I bet the motorcyclist won't get blamed as much as a young guy driving a fast car.

I see plenty of "boy racer" bashing posts on here (BTW, I don't own a car), yet I hardly see many "crazy dude on a motorbike" bashing posts. The fact remains that not everyone rides a motorbike, and some people who just want to go out for a quiet Sunday drive do get intimidated when they see groups of Harleys with noisy exhausts behind them, or sports bikes overtaking them at silly speeds.

I've been on KB rides before, and I've seen that many of the riders there have bikes which are the "boy racer" equivalent of a bike, and they have a very similar anti authoritative attitude where they feel the need to show off by speeding or doing wheelies and other such stunts which should not be attempted on a public road. I guess doing stupid shit on the roads endangering other people is fine then as long as it's done on a motorbike instead of a car.

[SMOKEU]

So, Breaking the law is okay as long as no one gets hurt, is that what you're saying ? It sounds like it too me, and its exactly that sort of mentality that the problems stem from.

So, if I smoke some buds, I'm not harming anyone else so why should I be labelled a criminal for doing so?

[Bikemad]

So, if I smoke some buds, I'm not harming anyone else so why should I be labelled a criminal for doing so?

do ya smoke ya buds before or after riding ya scooter?

[rastuscat]

Treating boy racers as a traffic problem is tosh.

The problem is one of disorder or lawlessness, that just happens to involve vehicles. It's a reflection on society, and how it has progressed.

There are those who do it on bikes too e.g. ghostrider.

Freedom comes with responsibility, but many want all the freedom to do as they please with no regard for their responsibility to the population.

So there.:bleh:

[Brian407]

So, if I smoke some buds, I'm not harming anyone else so why should I be labelled a criminal for doing so?

Because it's AGAINST THE FUCKEN LAW you retard. Do you not fucken get it. Whether you believe a law to be right, wrong or indifferent is irrellavant, it's the fucken LAW. If you dont like the law become a politician and do something about it, dont come on here with your 'Poor Me's' whining about it being unjust, or unfair or whatever.

If you dont like the 'double standards' of this site then go somewhere else. Simple really.

[Brian407]

Treating boy racers as a traffic problem is tosh.

The problem is one of disorder or lawlessness, that just happens to involve vehicles. It's a reflection on society, and how it has progressed.

There are those who do it on bikes too e.g. ghostrider.

Freedom comes with responsibility, but many want all the freedom to do as they please with no regard for their responsibility to the population.

So there.:bleh:

Couldnt agree more. I was bought up with the philsophy that 'every man has the right to do what he wants, as long as he doesnt infringe on the exact same rights of others', and sometimes those rights are a matter of law.

[Virago]

...I also don't buy into the PC crap about it being their parents fault...

Fault, no - but in many cases the parents openly defend their child's "right" to "have a bit of fun".

People like Scumdog can tell plenty of stories of the tirade of abusive outrage from parents, when some young tosser's car is impounded.

[superman]

Because it's AGAINST THE FUCKEN LAW you retard. Do you not fucken get it. Whether you believe a law to be right, wrong or indifferent is irrellavant, it's the fucken LAW. If you dont like the law become a politician and do something about it, dont come on here with your 'Poor Me's' whining about it being unjust, or unfair or whatever.

If you dont like the 'double standards' of this site then go somewhere else. Simple really.

Democracy requires the majority of the people to want a law changed for it to happen. If he can make people think about laws anywhere then it benefits his view point. Being a politician doesn't let you just change a law without a large amount of peoples support, and there's already those in parliament campaigning for what SmokeU wants. :blink:

[Bikemad]

looks like he's gone........ had a spliff and gone for a ride to do some skids maybe

[Flip]

6kmh over the 50kmh limit is a lot different from going 100kmh in a 50kmh zone.



And the drunk dude who did a runner from the cops and killed 2 elderly people down Fitzgerald Ave, or the lady driving the BMW who didn't look properly at an intersection and wiped out a motorcyclist, or the cop who did a U turn in front of a motorcyclist, or the dude who did a dangerous overtaking manoeuvre and caused a head on crash, or the dude on the GSXR1000 who overtook on a blind corner and nearly caused a head on crash....

The fact remains that NZ drivers are shit in general. The majority of drivers can't even indicate properly at a roundabout, and if they can't do something so simple, why are they even allowed on the roads? It's so easy to blame everyone who is young and drives a "modified" car, but the fact remains that adults are poor drivers as well. It's much easier to blame young people than to admit that your own driving abilities are not as good as you think they are.

Like I've said before, the double standards on this site really piss me off. Plenty of people on here have modified bikes with aftermarket exhausts which are specifically designed to increase the noise output (come on, does a CBR1000RR really need any more power?). Those same people think it's OK for them to do stupid shit like push themselves to the limits on public roads and to attempt to break the land speed record, but if some young dude in a car does the same thing then they should be shot. Why?

I know that a motorbike can do less damage to a third party in the event of a crash than a 1.5 ton car moving at the same speed, but what about if there is an out of control motorcyclist, and a car driver takes evasive action to avoid hitting the motorcyclist? I bet the motorcyclist won't get blamed as much as a young guy driving a fast car.

I see plenty of "boy racer" bashing posts on here (BTW, I don't own a car), yet I hardly see many "crazy dude on a motorbike" bashing posts. The fact remains that not everyone rides a motorbike, and some people who just want to go out for a quiet Sunday drive do get intimidated when they see groups of Harleys with noisy exhausts behind them, or sports bikes overtaking them at silly speeds.

I've been on KB rides before, and I've seen that many of the riders there have bikes which are the "boy racer" equivalent of a bike, and they have a very similar anti authoritative attitude where they feel the need to show off by speeding or doing wheelies and other such stunts which should not be attempted on a public road. I guess doing stupid shit on the roads endangering other people is fine then as long as it's done on a motorbike instead of a car.

I have no trouble understanding the difference between bikers and boy racers and it's one of intent.

When you hang out with the boy racers it’s for the intent of having fun and causing mischief, for example when you hang out at night with criminal morons you are a criminal moron. You are being dammed by association if you are even there.

I have a relatively loud Harley, but I don’t go out at night with my Harley mates riding around in circles through areas where folk are trying to sleep, you see I am not a criminal moron. I have a race car but I don’t go out at night with my car mates looking for a place to tip oil on the road so I can do a burn out, you see again I am not a criminal moron, and tyres are a grand each.

Sure sometimes I go a little fast or don’t leave enough room to pass as I should have, but it is not my intention to do so. When you go out at night with all your boy racer mates with the intent to do a bit of cruzing, show off how fast your mums toyota corrola can go, do a little drag racing, tip oil on the road to do a burn out, you do so with the intention to cause havoc. Then you cry “the pigs are picking on us”! No it’s society’s way of saying your behaviour is not acceptable, time to grow up.

[Brian407]

Democracy requires the majority of the people to want a law changed for it to happen. If he can make people think about laws anywhere then it benefits his view point. Being a politician doesn't let you just change a law without a large amount of peoples support, and there's already those in parliament campaigning for what SmokeU wants. :blink:

Bullshit. You live in a dream world if you think thats the way it works. Theres plenty of laws that have been enacted against the wishes of the majority. Sometimes it has to happen that way to protect the people from themselves.

Laws are more often than not, introduced to the house in a Private Members Bill and debated, if viable then referred to a select committee to argue the merits of and fine tune, re-introduced to the house, debated again, voted on, and if passed, passed to the Governer General for ratification and signing into law. This is often done without a majority of the people agreeing, it merely takes the majority of the house, and often voters have to 'tow the party line'.

Remember the law change for the 'hobbit' (by the hobbit). Did you vote for that??? I sure as shit didnt.

And as for what SmokeU wants.... what does he want? to smoke dope legally ??? good luck with that, and if that gets passed it sure wont be with a majority support from the people.

How's your Democracy In Action look now??

[schrodingers cat]

SmokeU has always been inconsistent.
At times he tries to be the voice of reason and responsibility. Mostly what he wants is what he wants.

If you got rid of your stupid avatar(s) I could try to take you seriously. As it is I see you as a silly boy with internet access.

You strike me as one of many with their head so far up their ass all they can see is their own concerns.

I would encourage you to attempt to understand how societies develop and organise themselves.

You are typical of your generation in that you live in a society that is so entirely safe you are able to behave in quite anti-social ways without undue consequence. The tolerance of our society is our strenght and our weakness.

As stated above, there needs to be a line in the sand and the law is that line. It doesn't always make sense and it isn't fixed in perpetuity. But it is the line.

[SMOKEU]

Because it's AGAINST THE FUCKEN LAW you retard. Do you not fucken get it. Whether you believe a law to be right, wrong or indifferent is irrellavant, it's the fucken LAW. If you dont like the law become a politician and do something about it, dont come on here with your 'Poor Me's' whining about it being unjust, or unfair or whatever.

If you dont like the 'double standards' of this site then go somewhere else. Simple really.

You're the retard here, if the law does not make sense, and if the law DOES NOT PROTECT ANYONE, then why should I abide by it?

Laws are generally designed TO PROTECT THE INTERESTS OF ONE OR MORE PARTIES. Eg, it's illegal to steal a car because then the victim of the theft will be without a car. It's illegal to exceed speed limits because the risk of having a crash is increased. It's illegal to sell alcohol to 5 year old children because they are unable to make mature enough decisions. It's illegal to operate a vehicle on a public road without a current WOF because the vehicle may be unsafe, it's illegal to operate a vehicle on a public road that is not currently licensed because the ACC levies haven't been paid for.

I'll say it again. LAWS SHOULD BE DESIGNED TO PROTECT THE INTERESTS OF ONE OR MORE PARTIES. Do you get it, or are you too stupid to understand?

It's illegal to smoke pot....because? Alcohol is far more dangerous, common over the counter drugs such as paracetamol can be fatal if overdosed on, eating high fat food every day has been proven to increase the risk of heart attacks significantly, smoking tobacco has been proven to cause cancer.

[superman]

Bullshit. You live in a dream world if you think thats the way it works. Theres plenty of laws that have been enacted against the wishes of the majority. Sometimes it has to happen that way to protect the people from themselves.

Laws are more often than not, introduced to the house in a Private Members Bill and debated, if viable then referred to a select committee to argue the merits of and fine tune, re-introduced to the house, debated again, voted on, and if passed, passed to the Governer General for ratification and signing into law. This is often done without a majority of the people agreeing, it merely takes the majority of the house, and often voters have to 'tow the party line'.

Remember the law change for the 'hobbit' (by the hobbit). Did you vote for that??? I sure as shit didnt.

And as for what SmokeU wants.... what does he want? to smoke dope legally ??? good luck with that, and if that gets passed it sure wont be with a majority support from the people.

How's your Democracy In Action look now??

It'll be fine when I move to Switzerland where there's a direct democracy and the population do actually vote on BINDING referendums all the time. :innocent:

[Bikemad]

answer my question please SMOKEU..........do you smoke ya pot before or after you ride ya scooter.........how long after smokin ya pot do you wait before you consider yourself safe to ride again?...........

[schrodingers cat]

You're the retard here, if the law does not make sense, and if the law DOES NOT PROTECT ANYONE, then why should I abide by it?



Because the law doesn't allow for your iTunes pik n mix approach.

And irrespective of your personal view the law still applies to you. Both its penalites and benefits.


I'm not sure if you are some kind of DIY liberterian or simply a rebel without a clue

[SMOKEU]

answer my question please SMOKEU..........do you smoke ya pot before or after you ride ya scooter.........how long after smokin ya pot do you wait before you consider yourself safe to ride again?...........

I don't own a scooter, and I don't operate a motor vehicle on a public road while I am under the influence of illegal substances, or if I believe I am over the legal breath alcohol limit. I consider myself safe to ride again once the effects of the substances in question have subsided enough for me to feel sober enough to safely operate a motor vehicle.

[Virago]

...if the law does not make sense, and if the law DOES NOT PROTECT ANYONE, then why should I abide by it? ...

Many laws relate to general order, rather than the specific protection of people. You may think that you have the right to disregard laws that you disagree with - we can only assure you that you don't.

You're the quintessential hypocrite - you demand that people who txt and drive be shot, then cry like a baby about the injustice when caught speeding past a school.

No-one has appointed you as arbitary judge with regard to the validity of law.

[Bikemad]

I don't own a scooter, and I don't operate a motor vehicle on a public road while I am under the influence of illegal substances, or if I believe I am over the legal breath alcohol limit. I consider myself safe to ride again once the effects of the substances in question have subsided enough for me to feel sober enough to safely operate a motor vehicle.

typical immature teenage type response.........you just left out the SO THERE...........man you are so full of it mate..........one law for you eh and fuck everyone else...........so when you feel "sober enough" how do you actually confirm that you in fact are.............bearing in mind that you are making this desicion while under the influence..........idiot
by the way..........scooters even have bigger motors than ya little 185

[SMOKEU]

Many laws relate to general order, rather than the specific protection of people. You may think that you have the right to disregard laws that you disagree with - we can only assure you that you don't.

You're the quintessential hypocrite - you demand that people who txt and drive be shot, then cry like a baby about the injustice when caught speeding past a school.

No-one has appointed you as arbitary judge with regard to the validity of law.

Comparing idiots who txt and drive with people who go 6kmh faster than the speed limit on a straight road in good conditions is just silly.

[SMOKEU]

typical immature teenage type response.........you just left out the SO THERE...........man you are so full of it mate..........one law for you eh and fuck everyone else...........so when you feel "sober enough" how do you actually confirm that you in fact are.............bearing in mind that you are making this desicion while under the influence..........idiot
by the way..........scooters even have bigger motors than ya little 185

Have you ever operated a motor vehicle on a public road when you're hung over? What about when you're tired? Or have the flu? How do you know when you're too tired to safely drive? If you're so tired then then you're making that decision when you're affected by lack of sleep. That's pretty much the same argument as you're trying to make.

I'm well aware of the fact that some scooter have a bigger engine than my TS185. I really don't see how that's relevant to this thread.

[Bikemad]

Have you ever operated a motor vehicle on a public road when you're hung over? What about when you're tired? Or have the flu? How do you know when you're too tired to safely drive? If you're so tired then then you're making that decision when you're affected by lack of sleep. That's pretty much the same argument as you're trying to make.

I'm well aware of the fact that some scooter have a bigger engine than my TS185. I really don't see how that's relevant to this thread.

that would be ...........no.........no...........no
mate if you don't know when when you are feeling tired i can't help you.............the difference is i would be making the decision to STOP driving coz i feel to tired..........whether i am right or wrong i would be erring on the side of safety.............you base your decision to START driving on your own flawed judgement while still under the influence.............get it now sherlock?
sorry bout the scooter thing..........i was tryin to talk you up

[SMOKEU]

that would be ...........no.........no...........no
mate if you don't know when when you are feeling tired i can't help you.............the difference is i would be making the decision to STOP driving coz i feel to tired..........whether i am right or wrong i would be erring on the side of safety.............you base your decision to START driving on your own flawed judgement while still under the influence.............get it now sherlock?
sorry bout the scooter thing..........i was tryin to talk you up

I know when I'm feeling tired, just like I know when I'm feeling wasted.

[Brian407]

...and he thinks I'M the retard..... well, fuck.

[Bikemad]

I know when I'm feeling tired, just like I know when I'm feeling wasted.

thats not the point though is it..........the point is when you are wasted you are deciding when you are sober enough to drive safely........your words man not mine..........and if you can not see the flaw in your logic then carry on............kill yourself........or someone else.........hey your call

[SMOKEU]

the point is when you are wasted you are deciding when you are sober enough to drive safely

The point is when you are tired you are deciding when you are alert enough to drive safely.

[Brian407]

Give it up son. All you're doing now is proving how big an idoit you really are.

"It's better to keep your mouth shut and be thought a fool than to open it and remove all doubt"

[SMOKEU]

If you've been consuming a few alcoholic beverages, at say, a party, then how do you decide when you're sober enough to drive? How do you know you're not too intoxicated to legally (or safely) drive, unless you carry a breath tester with you? You could be making that decision to drive when you're intoxicated. You might think you're sober, but you're actually not.

Although I do find that scenario very difficult to believe as someone would have to be pretty stupid if they don't even know they're wasted.

[Bikemad]

no......... when i am tired i stop driving and have a rest for twenty minutes or more till i feel i am refreshed enough and can carry on safely...........i make this decision with no mind altering substances in my bloodstream
you make the decision to drive "safely" while still under the influence of whatever substances are still in your bloodstream............big difference

[Brian407]

Hey SmokeU. Do you know what a majority is? Hopefully you've answerd yes to that, 'cause if you answered no there's no point me carrying on with this.

If you answered Yes, then you must know that the Majority of us here believe you're an idiot. Now, armed with that knowledge, why do you continually keep posting shit that serves nothing more than to reinforce that belief? Surely you cant be that stupid. Or perhaps you can be, if you genuinely believe the line you have taken.

I'm finished responding to your diatribe, as are many others by the look of things, and part with the only thing I have left to say to you.

There's none so dumb as those who wont learn!

[Virago]

Comparing idiots who txt and drive with people who go 6kmh faster than the speed limit on a straight road in good conditions is just silly.

Lol - strategically leaving out the "past a school" bit. As a hypocrite, you're a master of your craft. :msn-wink:

Both scenarios involve law-breaking - and some risk factors. Both will result in an appropriate penalty.

Fact - you have no mandate to decide which laws are valid and which aren't - for either yourself or others.

[SMOKEU]

Lol - strategically leaving out the "past a school" bit. As a hypocrite, you're a master of your craft. :msn-wink:

Both scenarios involve law-breaking - and some risk factors. Both will result in an appropriate penalty.

Fact - you have no mandate to decide which laws are valid and which aren't - for either yourself or others.

There are still different degrees of law breaking, sometimes with respective penalties. Eg, stealing a packet of chips from a supermarket is less serious than committing fraud by ripping off $1,000,000 from your employer.

[Bikemad]

There are still different degrees of law breaking, sometimes with respective penalties. Eg, stealing a packet of chips from a supermarket is less serious than committing fraud by ripping off $1,000,000 from your employer.
tell it to the judge mate



I'm finished responding to your diatribe, as are many others by the look of things, and part with the only thing I have left to say to you.

There's none so dumb as those who wont learn!
wot he said......
Smokeu.............you are the weakist link.............goodbye

[Flip]

There are still different degrees of law breaking, sometimes with respective penalties. Eg, stealing a packet of chips from a supermarket is less serious than committing fraud by ripping off $1,000,000 from your employer.

I don't understand the point you are trying to make also.

[Virago]

There are still different degrees of law breaking, sometimes with respective penalties. Eg, stealing a packet of chips from a supermarket is less serious than committing fraud by ripping off $1,000,000 from your employer.

Um, correct. But what exactly is your point? :blink:

The fact that some crimes are worse than others does not excuse or negate the lesser crimes, which appears to be what you're suggesting.

[FJRider]

If you've been consuming a few alcoholic beverages, at say, a party, then how do you decide when you're sober enough to drive? How do you know you're not too intoxicated to legally (or safely) drive, unless you carry a breath tester with you? You could be making that decision to drive when you're intoxicated. You might think you're sober, but you're actually not.

Although I do find that scenario very difficult to believe as someone would have to be pretty stupid if they don't even know they're wasted.

Perhaps ... because some idiots, don't know they're idiots ...

[avgas]

Did a quick scanning of the new posts in this thread. Had a little giggle.
But alas I digress.

You are typical of your generation in that you live in a society that is so entirely safe you are able to behave in quite anti-social ways without undue consequence. The tolerance of our society is our strenght and our weakness.
As stated above, there needs to be a line in the sand and the law is that line. It doesn't always make sense and it isn't fixed in perpetuity. But it is the line.
S.C. after scanning the other posts, and then reading yours. I actually think that you have raised a bigger point than what you think you have.
Have the laws changed much in the last 50 years?
Has tolerance changed much in that time? If so who's tolerance?
Is it changing now?

While everyone is celebrating the fact that a boy racer got his car crushed, a 5 y/o girl got raped, and the crim got caught.
Now what punishment will the judge find suitable?
What punishment do the people on the street outside the courtroom want?
What is likely to happen if the crims name is made public? Will the law count for anything? Where do we draw these lines?

I don't have any answers. Only more and more questions.

[Brian407]

Whoaaa.... now were getting deep.

[GrayWolf]

If you've been consuming a few alcoholic beverages, at say, a party, then how do you decide when you're sober enough to drive? How do you know you're not too intoxicated to legally (or safely) drive, unless you carry a breath tester with you? You could be making that decision to drive when you're intoxicated. You might think you're sober, but you're actually not.

Although I do find that scenario very difficult to believe as someone would have to be pretty stupid if they don't even know they're wasted.

Simple really, as has been shown countless times on doco's, Police programs etc... even 2 pints has a noticable effect on judgement and reaction times. So the very fact you have had a 'few bevvies' at the party? IS PROOF enough you are not safe to drive, even if you consider yourself unaffected. Those 2 pints are about the legal level for alcohol (brerath test) for adults. One of the fave 'traps' in the UK the police were using was the early saturday/sunday morning breath stops... you may have stopped drinking 5-6 hrs ago, but you aint under the limit.
The logic you are using is an age old cry of the habitual drunk driver... I feel OK so I am OK to drive>> I can assure you of this, if I was at a party and see a drunk going for the car? I am the asshole who WILL phone the cops if he/she wont listen to reason. One day it could be ME they take out at a T junction.

As for not knowing if you are wasted? I have seen frequently people so intoxicated they are unable to make ANY sort of decision, so somewhere inside their brain they want to go home, they drove to the party............ From experience ONCE, I lost almost 5 hrs of my life walking only 2km's from a party to home. I didnt fall over, fall asleep etc as it was winter in the UK and the ground was covered in 'slush' and I arrived home dry and clean.... I to this day have NO IDEA of what I did or where I meandered in those hours. I did not like the idea of being THAT out of control of myself, and have never drunk to that excess since. So how could I have even been capable of making any type of logical or 'informed' decision about driving while THAT inebriated?

[SMOKEU]

I can assure you of this, if I was at a party and see a drunk going for the car? I am the asshole who WILL phone the cops if he/she wont listen to reason. One day it could be ME they take out at a T junction.


Good, I would do the same thing as you.

[schrodingers cat]

Did a quick scanning of the new posts in this thread. Had a little giggle.
But alas I digress.

S.C. after scanning the other posts, and then reading yours. I actually think that you have raised a bigger point than what you think you have.
Have the laws changed much in the last 50 years?
Has tolerance changed much in that time? If so who's tolerance?
Is it changing now?

While everyone is celebrating the fact that a boy racer got his car crushed, a 5 y/o girl got raped, and the crim got caught.
Now what punishment will the judge find suitable?
What punishment do the people on the street outside the courtroom want?
What is likely to happen if the crims name is made public? Will the law count for anything? Where do we draw these lines?

I don't have any answers. Only more and more questions.

I don't have any answers either but here are my thoughts on your questions.

Have the laws changed much in the last 50 years? Fundementally, no. We have inherited a legal system that has been refined over many many years

Has tolerance changed much in that time? If so who's tolerance?
I think that society as a whole has become more permissive. If you read a newspaper from 50 years ago you'll laugh at what was of concern to citizens. Basic human behaviour hasn't and won'tchange.
Increasing urbanisation and alienation from close societal groups removes much of the control exerted these groups. Live for a while in a small village where everyone knows your business and tell me it doesn't influence your behaviour.

Add to this the unrealistic 'norms' promoted by media and marketting. Oversaturation innoculates.

Is it changing now? The only constant is change...

Now what punishment will the judge find suitable?
What punishment do the people on the street outside the courtroom want?
What is likely to happen if the crims name is made public? Will the law count for anything? Where do we draw these lines?

The law, justice and punishment are three different animals.
The justice system for all its faults attempts to apply a rule of law as opposed to rule of mob.

Like all of us I sometimes wish the scumbags would simply dissappear in a puff of smoke. But who is to play 'god'. A capricious god is to be much feared.

[scumdog]

So, if I smoke some buds, I'm not harming anyone else so why should I be labelled a criminal for doing so?

Grow up ya silly prick.<_<:facepalm:

Or learn to troll PROPERLY....

[jasonu]

The fact remains that in insert any country name here drivers are shit in general. The majority of drivers can't even indicate properly at a roundabout,


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[98tls]

Seems to me that no matter what laws are made or how many go before the courts for disobeying them the weakest links at the end ie the judge.Pick a crime,drink driving will do then once the courts swing back into action after the holiday break once again you will see upwards of 4/5th time drink drivers still getting a bit of PD,the only way they suffer any real form of punishment is if they manage to fuck someone else's life up whilst doing there thing and even then its still not enough.Are the judges just pussys or are they constrained by the lack of beds in jails etc?either way its a sorry state of affairs.

[JMemonic]

You're taking this whole thing right out of context. There's a difference between blocking off a whole street and terrorising residents compared to a single vehicle doing a skid.


Shit didn't a child die not far from you because of a single skid, some idiot doing a little skid to show off in a car owned by mum and dad because he would not have got insurance for a 300+ HP Skyline that was modified to and extent it would be considered dangerous on the road. Oh that's right you defended him.

Plonker, these "harmless" actions keep getting people killed, sure 'we' used to hoon/cruise/street race or what ever face you want to put on it, most of the time the police and MoT used to leave us alone as we did not go out of our way to harm personal property, threaten folks, commit random assault and attacks based on the colour of clothing worn by one person or any number of things I keep seeing in the media.

[caseye]

Yep and more are going to die while we decide which way to go. Me, a brick wall and a few rounds for those who kill with any sort of weapon, including a bloody vehicle.
Instant prison for fools and cars destroyed there and then, no matter who actually owns them.
Lets get it right for once.

[SMOKEU]

Shit didn't a child die not far from you because of a single skid, some idiot doing a little skid to show off in a car owned by mum and dad because he would not have got insurance for a 300+ HP Skyline that was modified to and extent it would be considered dangerous on the road. Oh that's right you defended him.

Plonker, these "harmless" actions keep getting people killed, sure 'we' used to hoon/cruise/street race or what ever face you want to put on it, most of the time the police and MoT used to leave us alone as we did not go out of our way to harm personal property, threaten folks, commit random assault and attacks based on the colour of clothing worn by one person or any number of things I keep seeing in the media.

I'm not aware of anyone dying due to a skid near my residence.

I'm still yet to see a convincing argument that proves beyond a reasonable doubt that holding 1 foot on the brake pedal and the other foot on the accelerator pedal simultaneously is suddenly going to kill someone. Is the car suddenly meant to blow up and kill an innocent bystander, or what's supposed to happen? Is a bit of tyre smoke going to cause the apocalypse?

Also committing random assaults on people has no relevance with doing skids, nor does threatening people.
A small percentage of people who do skids also commit random assaults and threaten people, and a small number of Harley riders are also gang members who deal drugs and kill people. Does that mean that every Harley rider is a criminal? I'm also sure that some paedophiles drive Holdens, but does that mean that every male Holden driver is a kiddy fiddler?

[98tls]

I'm also sure that some paedophiles drive Holdens, but does that mean that every male Holden driver is a kiddy fiddler?

Probably not but driving a Holden does nothing to stop me thinking they look like they could be.

[caseye]

SMOKE you seriously have to get out more.
Do you honestly think that EVERYONE ELSE IN THIS THREAD is making up what they've said.
That they all believe that these car enthusiasts are harmless innocent little boys who just wanna have fun.
We've all seen it, right in front of our eyes, we all know someone who has been directly and or in indirectly affected by it.
That's why this is such a hot topic.
An less of the HOLDEN Bashing aye.

Fords Sux!

[98tls]

The ones that scare me are those that cant even wear a baseball cap the right way round,lets face it there not the most complex things.Combine that with many of the cant work out a baseball cap also seem to have got outta bed and put on the 4 sizes to big jeans which no doubt belong to the token grossly overweight slapper that weighs down the other side of the Prelude,not able to acheive the basics i have no faith in there ability to work out the functions of 3 pedals.

[scumdog]

I'm not aware of anyone dying due to a skid near my residence.

I'm still yet to see a convincing argument that proves beyond a reasonable doubt that holding 1 foot on the brake pedal and the other foot on the accelerator pedal simultaneously is suddenly going to kill someone. Is the car suddenly meant to blow up and kill an innocent bystander, or what's supposed to happen? Is a bit of tyre smoke going to cause the apocalypse?

Also committing random assaults on people has no relevance with doing skids, nor does threatening people.
A small percentage of people who do skids also commit random assaults and threaten people, and a small number of Harley riders are also gang members who deal drugs and kill people. Does that mean that every Harley rider is a criminal? I'm also sure that some paedophiles drive Holdens, but does that mean that every male Holden driver is a kiddy fiddler?

How old are you???

12??

[Virago]

The ones that scare me are those that cant even wear a baseball cap the right way round,lets face it there not the most complex things...

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[Katman]

How old are you???

12??

Way to go SD. Insult an entire age group with just one post.

[98tls]

Way to go SD. Insult an entire age group with just one post.

Dont sweat it,most of em wouldnt have had the kicks up the arse they should have got along the way so a little insult wont hurt.

[SMOKEU]

How old are you???

12??

Add 10 years to that. What about you?

[JMemonic]

I'm not aware of anyone dying due to a skid near my residence.

I'm still yet to see a convincing argument that proves beyond a reasonable doubt that holding 1 foot on the brake pedal and the other foot on the accelerator pedal simultaneously is suddenly going to kill someone. Is the car suddenly meant to blow up and kill an innocent bystander, or what's supposed to happen? Is a bit of tyre smoke going to cause the apocalypse?

Also committing random assaults on people has no relevance with doing skids, nor does threatening people.
A small percentage of people who do skids also commit random assaults and threaten people, and a small number of Harley riders are also gang members who deal drugs and kill people. Does that mean that every Harley rider is a criminal? I'm also sure that some paedophiles drive Holdens, but does that mean that every male Holden driver is a kiddy fiddler?

http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php/123754-Death-by-Boy-Racer

Ok maybe not near you but for some reason I understood your claims that you knew more than the police and witnesses placed you close to the location. The other two cars you mentioned were involved were never used in the defence either. But the fact remains it was still a deliberate loss of traction that lead to the death of this child.

Using you logic a small number of Harley riders are judges, lawyers, crown prosecutors and police, does that mean every Harley rider is involved in the criminal justice system in some manner.

And I guessing you drive a Holden.

[JMemonic]

How old are you???

12??

He cant be I know an 11 year old with more common sense than him, and I am sure she would think he is a drop kick.

[JMemonic]

Yep and more are going to die while we decide which way to go. Me, a brick wall and a few rounds for those who kill with any sort of weapon, including a bloody vehicle.
Instant prison for fools and cars destroyed there and then, no matter who actually owns them.
Lets get it right for once.

Wont happen, simply prisons are over crowded and its better if they do PD, what is the going rate a couple of days wipes what 5k of fines? Expensive labour but worth every cent it costs us to provide lunch and a meeting point to plan their Saturday night out.

Sarcasm is so underrated.

Dam it if they are going to get PD them it should be detention as the name says, and they should not get off the fines so easy. The attitude is 'put it on my tab' and that's what the system does.

Never mind can't change the system I just try to keep myself alive.

[SMOKEU]

http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php/123754-Death-by-Boy-Racer

Ok maybe not near you but for some reason I understood your claims that you knew more than the police and witnesses placed you close to the location. The other two cars you mentioned were involved were never used in the defence either. But the fact remains it was still a deliberate loss of traction that lead to the death of this child.

Using you logic a small number of Harley riders are judges, lawyers, crown prosecutors and police, does that mean every Harley rider is involved in the criminal justice system in some manner.

And I guessing you drive a Holden.

There's a huge difference between a stationary vehicle spinning its wheels compared to an out of control car drifting. I do NOT condone drifting on residential streets as I know how dangerous it can be. I know the case you're referring to, and the driver was NOT doing a burnout, he was DRIFTING. I was never anywhere near the location of that crash, I heard the whole thing on my scanner and I heard the rest from a third party.

This is a burnout. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hbn9NG1VhPw Notice how the car is moving at minimal speed (although I still wouldn't do a skid with people standing around the car). It is unlikely that the car is suddenly going to go out of control and kill someone, and even though that level of smoke does create a hazard, most cars are incapable of producing that much tyre smoke. A burnout is arguably safer than overtaking another vehicle at 100kmh since the vehicle is barely moving.

This is a drift. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_HfY8QufsUw This is dangerous as the driver could easily lose control and kill someone. This is NOT something I would do on residential streets.

I have never owned a Holden and I don't currently own a car.

[JMemonic]

There's a huge difference between a stationary vehicle spinning its wheels compared to an out of control car drifting. I do NOT condone drifting on residential streets as I know how dangerous it can be. I know the case you're referring to, and the driver was NOT doing a burnout, he was DRIFTING.

This is a burnout. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hbn9NG1VhPw Notice how the car is moving at minimal speed (although I still wouldn't do a skid with people standing around the car). It is unlikely that the car is suddenly going to go out of control and kill someone, and even though that level of smoke does create a hazard, most cars are incapable of producing that much tyre smoke. A burnout is arguably safer than overtaking another vehicle at 100kmh since the vehicle is barely moving.

This is a drift. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_HfY8QufsUw This is dangerous as the driver could easily lose control and kill someone. This is NOT something I would do on residential streets.

I have never owned a Holden and I don't currently own a car.

Whoa back up that truck, you defended him on this very forum, you made statements to the effect you knew more than was in the media, you have made comments in the past that drifting on public roads is ok along with other acts that including burnouts that have potential to cause harm and now you are trying to educate me as to the difference.

A skid is not a burnout, http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/skid, a skid is a loss of traction either accidental or deliberate and often occurs when there is some substance on the road that reduces traction, you know ice, water and painted lines or here's a good one, diesel that some idiot, (you know the kind you defend), pours on the road so they can do a burn out in their p.o.s. car which in reality could not pull the skin off a rice pudding.

I know what a burn out is and have owned several cars capable of chewing out rear tyres on dry roads from either stand or moving starts with out the aid of any lubricants, didn't mean I had to or needed to.

Wait until you have to pick yourself up of a corner thanks to some idiot's diesel, you might change your tune.

By the way there are locations around the country one can take a car where the law will not be offended if you do a burnout or drift but these places have rules and regulations for safety, most of the tougher ones are thanks to idiots on the road screwing it up for the rest of us. Oh hang on you know those who screwed it up so you should know all about this.

[SMOKEU]

Whoa back up that truck, you defended him on this very forum, you made statements to the effect you knew more than was in the media, you have made comments in the past that drifting on public roads is ok along with other acts that including burnouts that have potential to cause harm and now you are trying to educate me as to the difference.

A skid is not a burnout, http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/skid, a skid is a loss of traction either accidental or deliberate and often occurs when there is some substance on the road that reduces traction, you know ice, water and painted lines or here's a good one, diesel that some idiot, (you know the kind you defend), pours on the road so they can do a burn out in their p.o.s. car which in reality could not pull the skin off a rice pudding.

I know what a burn out is and have owned several cars capable of chewing out rear tyres on dry roads from either stand or moving starts with out the aid of any lubricants, didn't mean I had to or needed to.

Wait until you have to pick yourself up of a corner thanks to some idiot's diesel, you might change your tune.

By the way there are locations around the country one can take a car where the law will not be offended if you do a burnout or drift but these places have rules and regulations for safety, most of the tougher ones are thanks to idiots on the road screwing it up for the rest of us. Oh hang on you know those who screwed it up so you should know all about this.

In that case I did know more than what was mentioned in the media, due to the fact that I had a police scanner which I was listening to during, and immediately after the event occurred. The media don't mention every tiny detail on every single case either, they summarise the details that they think will make a good story.

So do you believe every thing the media says? It's best to take things in the media with a grain of salt, as the media tend to say that any young male car enthusiast is immediately a "boy racer" who is a serious danger to the public. Yes, burnouts do have the potential to cause harm. Just like driving around a corner has the potential to cause harm, stopping at a traffic light has the potential to cause harm, driving through an intersection also has the potential to cause harm. Eating your dinner has the potential to cause harm, too. Walking has the potential to cause harm, I slipped once when I was walking and broke some ribs. Walking is dangerous.

Words can have many meanings, and the term "skid" is often used to refer to a "burnout".

I never encouraged people to drift on the roads, and I never stated that it's OK to pour diesel or other slippery substances on public roads. I know the hazards these substances can cause as I have crashed a scooter from an undetermined slippery substance. I didn't enjoy having to pick myself up afterward, although no serious harm was done. It could have been worse.

The fact is that there are muppets just about everywhere. Some people who do burnouts take things to the next level by being stupid, some middle aged Corolla drivers are idiots too because they cross the centre line around blind corners. Some Kawasaki riders are muppets because they tailgate other road users when the roads are wet. Some Ducati riders are even known to ride their bikes drunk. That doesn't mean that ALL middle aged Corolla drivers, Kawasaki riders and Ducati riders are complete idiots who are going to wipe an innocent person out the next time they go out for a drive/ride. Oh, the horror.

[tigertim20]

skidz are pimp yo, etc etc etc.:clap::first:

you are losing here quite badly.

You have made a point that I do agree with, a stationary burnout isnt particularly dangerous, but I ask you, have you ever been to a sanctioned burnout comp? - you will find that there are barricades to provide a boundary between spectators and cars, because they CAN get out of control, get your wheels churning at 150km/hr, and yep, shit can happen. the same comps have fire marshalls, I have seen more than once a car catch fire during a burnout. there is a reason why events have those safety protocols.

youve said that most riders on big bikes go fast and speed here and there, yes, they do, but they do not do it in a residential area, where there are likely to be lots of young children, elderly, etc etc that are in close proximity. They dont do high speed and fill the air with clouds of toxic smoke. they dont do it at all hours of the day and night preventing people from quiet peaceful family time at home, or stopping them from getting sleep.

If a couple guys got into their car, went out of town, and did some burnouts by themselves, WITHOUT spraying the road with shit like diesel or oil (and leaving it there) and made sure they had some legal tyres to put on the car after the burnouts, and didnt wake people up, then nobody would give a fuck.

You are arguing a sole point here "Its not dangerous to do a stationary burnout" - which is in itself true, but when you add in the other factors and circumstances involved in MOST of the occaisions of young people doing a few burnouts, it's not only dangerous in the act itself, but it also wakes people up, it robs people of their right to peace and quiet, it causes quite expensive damage to roads that people have to pay for in their ever increasing rates payments, they leave dangerous slippery shit in the road surface that other cars OR MOTORCYCLES might lose traction on even when riding within the limit. factor in that these guys are also probably driving away on bald tyres half the time as well.

Christchurch was given a burnout pad bloody years ago. and guess what. fuckall people used it, because they want to be SEEN doing burnouts.

[Flip]

Not all honda riders are gay, but their bikes are.

All boy racers are at best wannabe criminals just as all members of the mafia are criminals. You see when you piss off enough people society turns it back on you and makes your life illegal and very difficult. The boy racers have nobody to blame but themselves, it was their stupid, childish, criminal behaviour that has landed them all on the wrong side of society. Boy racers are the new public enemy, what can they do, nothing just die.

In my book boy racers, rapists, murderers, drug dealers and kiddy fiddlers are all elements of society we can well live without.

[SMOKEU]

You have made a point that I do agree with, a stationary burnout isnt particularly dangerous, but I ask you, have you ever been to a sanctioned burnout comp? - you will find that there are barricades to provide a boundary between spectators and cars, because they CAN get out of control, get your wheels churning at 150km/hr, and yep, shit can happen. the same comps have fire marshalls, I have seen more than once a car catch fire during a burnout. there is a reason why events have those safety protocols.

youve said that most riders on big bikes go fast and speed here and there, yes, they do, but they do not do it in a residential area, where there are likely to be lots of young children, elderly, etc etc that are in close proximity. They dont do high speed and fill the air with clouds of toxic smoke. they dont do it at all hours of the day and night preventing people from quiet peaceful family time at home, or stopping them from getting sleep.

If a couple guys got into their car, went out of town, and did some burnouts by themselves, WITHOUT spraying the road with shit like diesel or oil (and leaving it there) and made sure they had some legal tyres to put on the car after the burnouts, and didnt wake people up, then nobody would give a fuck.

You are arguing a sole point here "Its not dangerous to do a stationary burnout" - which is in itself true, but when you add in the other factors and circumstances involved in MOST of the occaisions of young people doing a few burnouts, it's not only dangerous in the act itself, but it also wakes people up, it robs people of their right to peace and quiet, it causes quite expensive damage to roads that people have to pay for in their ever increasing rates payments, they leave dangerous slippery shit in the road surface that other cars OR MOTORCYCLES might lose traction on even when riding within the limit. factor in that these guys are also probably driving away on bald tyres half the time as well.

Christchurch was given a burnout pad bloody years ago. and guess what. fuckall people used it, because they want to be SEEN doing burnouts.

You've made a very good argument. I have been to a sanctioned burnout competition at Ruapuna, a V8 "Mag and Turbo" VE Commodore did a big skid and caught fire! That was hilarious.

[JMemonic]

Words can have many meanings, and the term "skid" is often used to refer to a "burnout".

Only to the illiterate that are 'boy racers'.

A skid is simply a skid, a burnout is what you are referring to, dam it the term comes from drag racing but you cant grasp the concept the two are different beasts.

Oh here is a question for you, after these social gatherings held on the side of the road, which cause sleepless nights to the locals or property damage you claim not to appreciate but encourage the gatherings that cause the mayhem, are there often stolen cars found near by, that have been set alight.

These are all honest folks you talk about who's only offence is to do a burnout, yeah right.

[jasonu]

Plonker, these "harmless" actions keep getting people killed, sure 'we' used to hoon/cruise/street race or what ever face you want to put on it, most of the time the police and MoT used to leave us alone as we did not go out of our way to harm personal property, threaten folks, commit random assault and attacks based on the colour of clothing worn by one person or any number of things I keep seeing in the media.

Plus Grandad in our day the autos available ie Escorts, Cortinas anb Hillman Hunters were not capable of doing the full on smokey drifts that the T cars the kids have these days and therefore were much less likely to get way out of shape. Even the old straight six Valiants and v8 Falcons etc were useless compaired to say turbo Skylines and Legacys.

[jasonu]

Wont happen, simply prisons are over crowded and its better if they do PD, what is the going rate a couple of days wipes what 5k of fines? Expensive labour but worth every cent it costs us to provide lunch and a meeting point to plan their Saturday night out.

Sarcasm is so underrated.

Dam it if they are going to get PD them it should be detention as the name says, and they should not get off the fines so easy. The attitude is 'put it on my tab' and that's what the system does.

Never mind can't change the system I just try to keep myself alive.

Agreed. If the fine can't be paid then PD should be applied at the rate of say $10 per hour until the fine is worked off. ie $5000 fine = 6 months of 10hr per day weekends clearing council drains or cleaning public bogs.

[Katman]

All boy racers are at best wannabe criminals just as all members of the mafia are criminals. You see when you piss off enough people society turns it back on you and makes your life illegal and very difficult. The boy racers have nobody to blame but themselves, it was their stupid, childish, criminal behaviour that has landed them all on the wrong side of society. Boy racers are the new public enemy, what can they do, nothing just die.

In my book boy racers, rapists, murderers, drug dealers and kiddy fiddlers are all elements of society we can well live without.

Can you not see how residents who happen to live along the route of the Akaroa GP or the Coro GP (or any other GP route the country has) might have exactly the same view of motorcyclists?

[DMNTD]

Plus Grandad in our day the autos available ie Escorts, Cortinas anb Hillman Hunters were not capable of doing the full on smokey drifts that the T cars the kids have these days and therefore were much less likely to get way out of shape. Even the old straight six Valiants and v8 Falcons etc were useless compaired to say turbo Skylines and Legacys.

Oh hell yes they could...when you filled the washer squirties with oil and diesel and directed the hose onto the rear tyres! :niceone:

[Flip]

Can you not see how residents who happen to live along the route of the Akaroa GP or the Coro GP (or any other GP route the country has) might have exactly the same view of motorcyclists?

Motorcyclists don't go out riding in convoy at 0200 looking for a place to do burnouts, skids, drink piss and smash up shit.

Even in the 70's and 80's the white power bike gangs never were stupid enough to piss the public off the way the boy racers do.

[Katman]

Motorcyclists don't go out riding in convoy at 0200 looking for a place to do burnouts, skids, drink piss and smash up shit.



No, they choose to go out in convoy during the daytime to live out their Rossi fantasies - and in doing so, endanger everyone else that has to share that road.

[SMOKEU]

Only to the illiterate that are 'boy racers'.

A skid is simply a skid, a burnout is what you are referring to, dam it the term comes from drag racing but you cant grasp the concept the two are different beasts.

Oh here is a question for you, after these social gatherings held on the side of the road, which cause sleepless nights to the locals or property damage you claim not to appreciate but encourage the gatherings that cause the mayhem, are there often stolen cars found near by, that have been set alight.

These are all honest folks you talk about who's only offence is to do a burnout, yeah right.

Burnouts are not the problem here, it's the mass congregation of often drunk teenagers followed by the inevitable antisocial behaviour. It's not the act of spinning tyres which steal cars or threaten and intimidate residents, it's the people who act in a disorderly manner.

If you remove the vehicle aspect, they will be acting just as badly. I've seen out of control parties where vehicles are not involved, and I have seen large groups of youths smashing bottles and terrorising residents when the party spills out on to the street.

Blaming burnouts for everything is just a scapegoat for a larger societal problem. Penalising burnouts so severely does absolutely nothing to curb antisocial and violent behaviour. It will simply move the problem elsewhere. Fuckwits will be fuckwits regardless of whether cars are involved or not. Drunk idiots will be drunk idiots too. Now that the skids don't really happen around Christchurch any more, those same people who used to go to the skids and terrorise residents are now going to pubs and starting fights outside the pubs, or they're going to residential parties and acting just as disorderly.

Few of the problems are actually caused by the drivers of the cars, as the drivers are usually sober. It's the drunk passengers who are the ones that smash bottles and assault people. True, if the driver didn't drive out to the skids then the drunk passengers wouldn't be there, but if the driver drove the drunk passengers to any other public place, they would act in exactly the same way. It's not really fair to be comparing drunk idiots who are passengers in a car to a "boy racer".


Plus Grandad in our day the autos available ie Escorts, Cortinas anb Hillman Hunters were not capable of doing the full on smokey drifts that the T cars the kids have these days and therefore were much less likely to get way out of shape. Even the old straight six Valiants and v8 Falcons etc were useless compaired to say turbo Skylines and Legacys.

Modern cars have much better brakes and suspension, too.


Motorcyclists don't go out riding in convoy at 0200 looking for a place to do burnouts, skids, drink piss and smash up shit.

Even in the 70's and 80's the white power bike gangs never were stupid enough to piss the public off the way the boy racers do.

Read reply #1 in this post.

[Scuba_Steve]

If a couple guys got into their car, went out of town, and did some burnouts by themselves, WITHOUT spraying the road with shit like diesel or oil (and leaving it there) and made sure they had some legal tyres to put on the car after the burnouts, and didnt wake people up, then nobody would give a fuck.


reckon you should rethink that one. The PIGs will go out of their way to make monies off "boy-racers".
I used to watch a somewhat organized drag event, went to a long straight stretch of road well out of town closest farm house was 15km away (est) nothing round for miles, road was blocked at both ends so no unaware people wandered in (plenty of parallel streets to take), there was medical on hand & fire precautions, either side of the road was massive ditches so if anyone went off no property (other then their own) was destroyed. Yet do you think the PIGs would just let it be??? nope
On a sat night if you were assaulted, they couldn't give a shit. Burgled, "it can wait till monday, we might consider doing something then". Property damaged "not interested". But your a "boy-racer" they're all on you like a pig in a shit house regardless of how far out of the way you go, because "theres monies to be made in them there cars".

[GrayWolf]

Burnouts are not the problem here, it's the mass congregation of often drunk teenagers followed by the inevitable antisocial behaviour. It's not the act of spinning tyres which steal cars or threaten and intimidate residents, it's the people who act in a disorderly manner.

If you remove the vehicle aspect, they will be acting just as badly. I've seen out of control parties where vehicles are not involved, and I have seen large groups of youths smashing bottles and terrorising residents when the party spills out on to the street.

Blaming burnouts for everything is just a scapegoat for a larger societal problem. Penalising burnouts so severely does absolutely nothing to curb antisocial and violent behaviour. It will simply move the problem elsewhere. Fuckwits will be fuckwits regardless of whether cars are involved or not. Drunk idiots will be drunk idiots too. Now that the skids don't really happen around Christchurch any more, those same people who used to go to the skids and terrorise residents are now going to pubs and starting fights outside the pubs, or they're going to residential parties and acting just as disorderly.

Few of the problems are actually caused by the drivers of the cars, as the drivers are usually sober. It's the drunk passengers who are the ones that smash bottles and assault people. True, if the driver didn't drive out to the skids then the drunk passengers wouldn't be there, but if the driver drove the drunk passengers to any other public place, they would act in exactly the same way. It's not really fair to be comparing drunk idiots who are passengers in a car to a "boy racer".



Modern cars have much better brakes and suspension, too.



Read reply #1 in this post.

Well Smoke, I am IMPRESSSED that is a worthwhile and well thought post. :cool:
You actualy make some valid and pertinant points.
You are correct in that the drunken behaviour will be the same, regardless of location. All you have to do is watch various Cop shows on sky. (Yes before anyone says it the scene's ARE selected, but they do show how bad behaviour is getting) What to me is being missed here is for everyone to take a step back, breathe, and think this out like 'joe public'. It has been mentioned the Rossi fantasy, and the boy racer behaviour. One or BIG differences, during the day in traffic even with his loud exhaust the average boy racer is 'in the traffic' it is the ROSSI wishers they all (motorists) see carving through traffic, overtaking on double yellow lines etc as well as loud pipes. The average boy racer 'performs' during the night, yes parents know their offspring is 'hooning' and I guess a good 70% had fathers who were centre plot hoons. We are seen with a bad image since the rebel and 1% clubs, even the Rossi dreamers are labelled with that brush in a way. Drunkeness has till very recently been socially acceptable, just like smoking in public bars, resteraunts was. So in a way the 'boy racer' is just a development of the centre plot hoon perential history.
If convoys of boy racers every weekend tore up the Taka's, drove at 150+ in the 'rapa on the back roads? I guess they would start to be seen in the same light as us after a while especialy if they developed a few 'gang' elements that the media could focus on. Cars are seen as socialy acceptable, motorcycles have lost that acceptability, which is odd as at one time my grandparents had combo's as a cheap form of accepted transport.


reckon you should rethink that one. The PIGs will go out of their way to make monies off "boy-racers".
I used to watch a somewhat organized drag event, went to a long straight stretch of road well out of town closest farm house was 15km away (est) nothing round for miles, road was blocked at both ends so no unaware people wandered in (plenty of parallel streets to take), there was medical on hand & fire precautions, either side of the road was massive ditches so if anyone went off no property (other then their own) was destroyed. Yet do you think the PIGs would just let it be??? nope
On a sat night if you were assaulted, they couldn't give a shit. Burgled, "it can wait till monday, we might consider doing something then". Property damaged "not interested". But your a "boy-racer" they're all on you like a pig in a shit house regardless of how far out of the way you go, because "theres monies to be made in them there cars".

You could well be right Steve, but these PIG's are also the same ones targetting drunk drivers at the roadside, also a good revenue source? So why not leave them alone as well? Given enough time like bike riders the boy racer WILL become socialy unacceptable, but they could speed it up by having a few 'patch clubs' have brawls in public places with weapons etc. What you are not 'seeing' is, Oganised or not you ILLEGALY blocked a road and I quote " (plenty of parallel streets to take)" there's half the reason the 'PIG's' as you call them do persue the illegal drags, apart from the deisel, oil etc that gets put on the roads and left behind. Also you have to look at human expectations, you and many parents see this as 'acceptable'? Untill little johnny loses control of his wrx, skyline, evo at close to 200 k's and loses his life in one of those ditches. You will see how quickly little johnny's parents would turn on those 'PIG's' and complain bitterly why they were'nt out there stopping it, to protect little johnny from himself.
I came from the UK in the early 90's and what you quote as not bothering with burglary etc? The Police there took a report and if the crime was'nt 'solved' within a 12 hr? time period, it basicaly wasnt going to get 'solved' they do not have the 'manpower' to spend hours investigating it. Usualy burglaries are solved by a 'lucky break' which leads to pinching little johnny and co after several blags. Drunk driving, drunken misbehaviour, boy racers are 'solvable' issues, again protecting little johnny from himself.
Motorcycles are not seen as a form of transport, rather as a plaything. The average bike purchased is generaly a sprot bike they are not commuter bikes or serious 2 up transport. There are riders who commute I admit. I dont own a car, and I can tell by the weather how many bikes will be on the road commuting. Have you seen the kilometer's travelled on average by a bike? I can easily find bikes 10yrs+ with less than 20,000 km's. I believe the average bike distance travelled in a year is under 5,000km (if wrong I accept correction) So if you purchase a bike to ride 15,000 km's a year? your bike will be worthless on the s/h market in a few short years. Sprot bikes were/are produced through public demand. Our biggest issue in public perception IS to return bikes to the idea of 'real transport' by the masses. So maybe our challenge is for motorcyclists to all start returning bikes to being seen as a transport medium, rather than a toy.

[Brian407]

, I slipped once when I was walking and broke some ribs. Walking is dangerous.



Only when performed by idiots. Guess what? You're an idiot!

[Scuba_Steve]

You could well be right Steve, but these PIG's are also the same ones targetting drunk drivers at the roadside, also a good revenue source? So why not leave them alone as well? Given enough time like bike riders the boy racer WILL become socialy unacceptable, but they could speed it up by having a few 'patch clubs' have brawls in public places with weapons etc. What you are not 'seeing' is, Oganised or not you ILLEGALY blocked a road and I quote " (plenty of parallel streets to take)" there's half the reason the 'PIG's' as you call them do persue the illegal drags, apart from the deisel, oil etc that gets put on the roads and left behind. Also you have to look at human expectations, you and many parents see this as 'acceptable'? Untill little johnny loses control of his wrx, skyline, evo at close to 200 k's and loses his life in one of those ditches. You will see how quickly little johnny's parents would turn on those 'PIG's' and complain bitterly why they were'nt out there stopping it, to protect little johnny from himself.
I came from the UK in the early 90's and what you quote as not bothering with burglary etc? The Police there took a report and if the crime was'nt 'solved' within a 12 hr? time period, it basicaly wasnt going to get 'solved' they do not have the 'manpower' to spend hours investigating it. Usualy burglaries are solved by a 'lucky break' which leads to pinching little johnny and co after several blags. Drunk driving, drunken misbehaviour, boy racers are 'solvable' issues, again protecting little johnny from himself.

no drunk drivers are targeted (at this stage) by cops & not exactly a bad thing but some of the places they choose to do it is fucking retarded.
No oil or diesel was spilt, the road that was blocked 98% of people traveling through the region would have never knew it existed.
As for acceptable almost all the "oldies" I talk to (family or not) have stories about doing things (now illegal) of similar manner, modifying cars, beach races, drags etc maybee we need to stop protecting idiots from themselves? My mum is intelligent enough not to bitch n moan at the cops or Govt if I did something retarded & killed myself, so maybee Johnny's parents need to stop relying on TPTB to control their lives & take some responsibility for themselves.
As for the burglary thing, I mean it would take them a week before they even got started, not this 12hrs you speak of we're talking 5 days.

[GrayWolf]

no drunk drivers are targeted (at this stage) by cops & not exactly a bad thing but some of the places they choose to do it is fucking retarded.
No oil or diesel was spilt, the road that was blocked 98% of people traveling through the region would have never knew it existed.
As for acceptable almost all the "oldies" I talk to (family or not) have stories about doing things (now illegal) of similar manner, modifying cars, beach races, drags etc maybee we need to stop protecting idiots from themselves? My mum is intelligent enough not to bitch n moan at the cops or Govt if I did something retarded & killed myself, so maybee Johnny's parents need to stop relying on TPTB to control their lives & take some responsibility for themselves.
As for the burglary thing, I mean it would take them a week before they even got started, not this 12hrs you speak of we're talking 5 days.

Accepted Steve your group may not have spread oil/deisel on roads. if you scan back this thread you'll see a couple of us mentioned the louts who did it EVERY weekend in Invergumboot, and it isnt only there oil spreading happens. So again I will accept that your group may have been more 'adult' about the whole thing.

The 12hrs I mentioned is the time 'allowed'? after it is reported. I had friends in the Met' and basicaly if they were already out of the immediate area? You really were'nt going to find them untill the 'lucky break' so to speak.

Agreed that it should not need TPTB to'nanny state' us, that is the whole arguement going on here in the thread.
It is either up yours pig's/govt, roll over and play dead (after a bit of whinging), or lets have a rally, that'll sort them out!
Untill we are all on the same page for a course of action? They have us as a 'victory by division'; period! We need the rebel rousing of the Stoney's and we need some 'old heads' who can meet policy makers on their own terms.
In my opinion, we gained nothing at the bikehoi. Why? I have worked in Union and non Union firms. In non Union? you negotiate your pay rate, but the bosses have the solidarity. In a Union firm? Both have 'clout'.. both enter the negotiations knowing what to reasonably expect, what they want, and 'LOST LEADERS' so to speak. < These are the 'we wants' they are prepared to negotiate away. I will bet a pound to a pinch of shit, that the govt knew exactly what they could reasonably expect, and the WE WANT of $700... So you think we as motorcyclists got a result by 'reducing' it to $500? Funny how they quickly came up with that figure after the rally. We need a concerted focus, rallies; and the people who CAN talk the grey man talk.

[scumdog]

reckon you should rethink that one. The PIGs will go out of their way to make monies off "boy-racers".
.
I'll bite:

The so-called PIGs make absolutely NO money from the tickets they issue, zilch, nadda, nowt, not a brass razzoo.

And half the losers that get tickets end up doing community service/P.D. etc 'cos they (allegedly) can't afford to pay for their tickets (Cry me a river...)

So YOU 'should rethink that one'!:bleh::rolleyes:

[caseye]

An he should know, the little oinker! So There.

[Rehab]

SMOKEU: I'm still yet to see a convincing argument that proves beyond a reasonable doubt that holding 1 foot on the brake pedal and the other foot on the accelerator pedal simultaneously is suddenly going to kill someone. Is the car suddenly meant to blow up and kill an innocent bystander, or what's supposed to happen?

USMOKE: Yes, burnouts do have the potential to cause harm.

SMOKEME: I have been to a sanctioned burnout competition at Ruapuna, a V8 "Mag and Turbo" VE Commodore did a big skid and caught fire!


Is this the result of someone slowly seeing the light, or paying less attention to what they post than they might want to I wonder? :confused:

[brp]

Not all honda riders are gay, but their bikes are

LMFAO "No need to be jealous of one of the best engineered makes out" :msn-wink:

[Brian407]

LMFAO "No need to be jealous of one of the best engineered makes out" :msn-wink:

Hahahahahahahahahahaha...clunk. Oh, shit, just laughed my head off....

[SMOKEU]

Is this the result of someone slowly seeing the light, or paying less attention to what they post than they might want to I wonder? :confused:

Anything has the potential to be dangerous.

[brp]

Hahahahahahahahahahaha...clunk. Oh, shit, just laughed my head off....

No thats your starter motor trying to engage.

[Brian407]

No thats your starter motor trying to engage on your commuting boat anchor grandad bike :devil2:

Keep that up and I'll wind up laughing my socks off as well.

[Scuba_Steve]

I'll bite:

The so-called PIGs make absolutely NO money from the tickets they issue, zilch, nadda, nowt, not a brass razzoo.


No need to bite, I Never said the monies went directly to them did I??? same thing with the Nigerian scammers really, they're all just working & thus making monies for someone else, in the PIGs case its the Govt. But the fact remains it's still the PIGs on the front lines going "out of their way" to make it.

[Rehab]

Anything has the potential to be dangerous.

True, but to borrow a bit of the logic *cough* you have used in several posts, there is a lot less danger in patting a kitten than in licking a running chainsaw. Or something. But the police should be more worried about school children speeding while they are playing cricket than someone smashing a bottle on a deserted country road outside a school during Hanukkah. Where was I?
Oh yeah - to say something is not dangerous, then has the potential to be dangerous, then has caused a vehicle with a person in it to catch fire is a process of changing ones mind or being blind to the fact that you were on fucking shaky ground to start with non?
Ooops, not meant as an earthquake dig. But now that's out there - best thing to happen to boy racer fuckwits in Christchurch ever, and fun Christmas times watching their backwards baseball caps smashing into the roof and door pillar while driving at 15km/h :rofl:

[JMemonic]

Burnouts are not the problem here, it's the mass congregation of often drunk teenagers followed by the inevitable antisocial behaviour. It's not the act of spinning tyres which steal cars or threaten and intimidate residents, it's the people who act in a disorderly manner.

If you remove the vehicle aspect, they will be acting just as badly. I've seen out of control parties where vehicles are not involved, and I have seen large groups of youths smashing bottles and terrorising residents when the party spills out on to the street.

Blaming burnouts for everything is just a scapegoat for a larger societal problem. Penalising burnouts so severely does absolutely nothing to curb antisocial and violent behaviour. It will simply move the problem elsewhere. Fuckwits will be fuckwits regardless of whether cars are involved or not. Drunk idiots will be drunk idiots too. Now that the skids don't really happen around Christchurch any more, those same people who used to go to the skids and terrorise residents are now going to pubs and starting fights outside the pubs, or they're going to residential parties and acting just as disorderly.

Few of the problems are actually caused by the drivers of the cars, as the drivers are usually sober. It's the drunk passengers who are the ones that smash bottles and assault people. True, if the driver didn't drive out to the skids then the drunk passengers wouldn't be there, but if the driver drove the drunk passengers to any other public place, they would act in exactly the same way. It's not really fair to be comparing drunk idiots who are passengers in a car to a "boy racer".



Modern cars have much better brakes and suspension, too.



Read reply #1 in this post.

Question who the hell did you get to type that reply? Its a different argument than you have used in the past, I would actually like to think it was you and for once you had put a little thought into your argument.


You say and you are partly correct that much of the worst of offending is committed by the drunk passengers in the cars, however the driver has a responsibility here, not that different to the host of a party. If they think their friends and that's what they must be to be travelling around together have potential to start damaging other peoples properties then the solution is simple, take them home or dont take them in the first place.

Its the act of spinning tyres for the purpose of display that causes the congregations, its the fact there is a congregation the brings the drunks and stolen vehicles.

And again a skid is not a burnout, I know it to much for you mind to comprehend but the term burnout actually comes from a form of motor sport, and is not a skid.

As to the brakes and suspension argument well physics cant be altered and it still takes time to brake, braking systems altered to adjust bias so one can hold the front brake on, I have seen vice grips applied to lines to achieve no back brakes, or complete removal of the rear brakes. Better suspensions are ruined by hacksaws and gas plants attacking the springs, the removal of shock absorbers.

[TrentNz]

whats with the boyracer hate?
nothing wrong with having fun.
and when do you ever hear about motorcyclists getting in trouble for burnouts? you don't.

[Flip]

Where do I start.

Had 10 years every Saturday and Sunday of groups of them in noisy modified POS driving past my house at 0200-0400 hours every weekend. Having to go out on Saturday and Sunday morning to pick up the broken glass and crap they left behind after their little park up's outside the local Fire station. Going for a ride only to find out that most of the parking areas around where I live have had oil tipped on the road and that not only is the road slipery byt the road surface has been damaged.

[ukusa]

whats with the boyracer hate?
nothing wrong with having fun.
and when do you ever hear about motorcyclists getting in trouble for burnouts? you don't.

true there is nothing wrong with having fun, but motorcyclists (mostly) aren't dumb enough to congregate en masse in the wee hours performing burnouts in public places.

They may however on very rare occasions speed a little :innocent:

[avgas]

http://dudemanrod.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/baseball-cap-fail.jpg

Errrrrr. Some can't even use a razor.
254819 Let alone figure out how not to become brain dead.

[Oblivion]

We have a nice circular roundabout placed conviently outside our house. People like to think that doing donuts, or trying to cut the roundabout and go round the turn as fast as possible is fun. :oi-grr:

All this at midnight onwards? Just plain fucking annoying and stupid.

As revenge a block of pine got thrown through one of said cars rear windscreen. Never to be seen again. :sweatdrop