Kerry Dukic v Robert Taylor shoot off

[crazy man]

two bikes the same Kerry Dukic with his ktec robert with his kss. winner has the best gear and tuner
now that would be cool !:yes:

[Latte]

two bikes the same Kerry Dukic with his ktec robert with his kss. winner has the best gear and tuner
now that would be cool !:yes:

Looking at your Avatar, which one is on the left, Kerry or Robert?

[crazy man]

Looking at your Avatar, which one is on the left, Kerry or Robert?good point maybe they are the brothers:shutup: on there

[Robert Taylor]

Brand such as ( but not restricted to )K-Tech are an excellent and high quality product but are clearly not instantly 1 and 1/2 seconds per lap faster than other well setup brands, as is being rather optimistically espoused. If it was then EVERYONE in WSS600, WSBK AND MotoGP would be running it. Also British Superbike, where this year it was won by Ohlins, in the country of manufacture of K-Tech. In WSS600 the winning brand ( Yamaha ) were using Italian made BiTubo suspension. I personally know the guy that builds the motors for this team and his opinion was that the suspension was nothing spectacular, arguably most of their speed was from prodigious horespower.

Its as much about local backup and the ethic to do the hard yards and to invest to support product. Here in NZ the only top rider using this brand is John Ross, and he purchased off the longtime local distributor Norm Cobb at Suspension Tech. John is largely tuning this suspension himself as he cannot see a workable alternative that suits him best. If this all works out well for him and he puts in the time and effort then no-one would begrudge him reward for that!

Similarly WP is an excellent product and it was great to see both Ray Clee and Karl Morgan circulating at great pace during the first Tri Series round last weekend. Penske is also a very clever product but of course there is also either no local backup or marginal at best

As for any contest its clear that most of the top riders have spoken, and a number of those have this season come to us to improve on results that were poor and really shouldnt have been so. We didnt canvass these guys, we were approached.

In a future thread I will be rattling off about our new Roehrig shock and fork dyno that is state of the art. The only problem is whilst we have it installed we have had no time whatsoever to begin to use it and understand all of its capabilities. This serious investment is part of our committment to the NZ motorcycle suspension industry.

[Drew]

Brand such as...blah blah blah.

You've missed the point here mate.

What the thread starter is after, is you set up a bike on your gear, and a rider goes out and punts it. Then Kerry has a crack with his gear on the same bike, and the same rider goes out and does his thing.

My submission to the cause, the loser stops peddling their brand.

[White trash]

I personally know the guy that builds the motors for this team and his opinion was that the suspension was nothing spectacular, arguably most of their speed was from prodigious horespower.

Ask an engine builder where the secret to going fast is, he'll tell you it's his engines that won the championship, while I'm sure the BiTubo technicians involved with that team will paint an entirely different picture. In fact, I seem to remember an after market wheel importer here in NZ campaigning for a change to the rules so that everyone could use the magic wheels to instantly be a race winner.

[ecko_nzed]

Novel idea, but waste of time. Finding a truly impartial rider would be hard, reproducing exactly the same conditions for each test, impossible. Results would be skewed by the rider.

It will always come down to rider feel and who you trust spending your money with.

[Mental Trousers]

You've missed the point here mate.

What the thread starter is after, is you set up a bike on your gear, and a rider goes out and punts it. Then Kerry has a crack with his gear on the same bike, and the same rider goes out and does his thing.

My submission to the cause, the loser stops peddling their brand.

What the thread starter is after is to poke sharp sticks at people and giggle at the outcome. I'm sure he's hoping for a shit fight that even the Brothers Mair would be proud of.

However, I think all you'll get out of Robert is quality components ......... well set up suspension ......... bloody Labour/NZ First voters should be shot ......

[jellywrestler]

two bikes the same Kerry Dukic with his ktec robert with his kss. winner has the best gear and tuner
now that would be cool !:yes:
I say we bring a big mat to manfeild and a couple of SUMO wrestling outfits for them
It would be funnier than a fight in church i reckon

[Berries]

However, I think all you'll get out of Robert is quality components ......... well set up suspension ......... bloody Labour/NZ First voters should be shot ......
Don't forget Thatcher.

[RobGassit]

Last time I looked NZ was a free country. If you want to use a particular suspension setup, that's your choice, especially if you are spending your own money. Likewise tyre choice, if you don't choose to use what the champions use for whatever reason, doesn't devalue your decision. If we all rode the same bikes on the same tyres with the same suspension we would end up with the Suzuki cup or something similar. Pretty close to what we have now actually. Viva a difference! Slagging off anyone who chooses to use a different equation to answer the problem say's more about the slagee than the slagged off. One of these guy's is just gettin on with it. That's the Kiwi way I know.

[husaberg]

Novel idea, but waste of time. Finding a truly impartial rider would be hard,


Easy blindfold the rider.
if you were to put two blindfolds on the rider and it would be a .....er.....Double blind test :bye:

[Robert Taylor]

Last time I looked NZ was a free country. If you want to use a particular suspension setup, that's your choice, especially if you are spending your own money. Likewise tyre choice, if you don't choose to use what the champions use for whatever reason, doesn't devalue your decision. If we all rode the same bikes on the same tyres with the same suspension we would end up with the Suzuki cup or something similar. Pretty close to what we have now actually. Viva a difference! Slagging off anyone who chooses to use a different equation to answer the problem say's more about the slagee than the slagged off. One of these guy's is just gettin on with it. That's the Kiwi way I know.

I think my post illustrated that very fairly. And yes Id be happy for a subjective test with the K-Tech distributor, Norm Cobb.

[RobGassit]

I think my post illustrated that very fairly. And yes Id be happy for a subjective test with the K-Tech distributor, Norm Cobb.

Interesting that you can't even bring yourself to actually name the other guy this thread is about.
You have a great product and the riders who use your service are quite often winning. Where's the beef? Did he back over your dog in the pits or something?

[AllanB]

Seriously, this shit again?

Clearly another KB wind up :facepalm:

But I fail to see the point as there is a good reason Ohlins is considered the world leader.

[Robert Taylor]

Lets suffice to say that road racing is only a sideshow and in fact most of the work is making everday roadbikes ride bumps a hell of a lot better but also with much improved chassis control.
In reality most suspension tuners in NZ have cordial relationships with one another and will often purchase components off one another and where a trust will not be belied will often exchange a little bit of setting info. I will help anyone that is genuine and sincere, I think thats a reasonable expectation.

[ducatilover]

I have an idea.
Get Robert to set up my bike.
I'll ride it for a year (assuming I don't flip it again.
Then deck it out with Kerry's gear and repeat.
I won't charge to help out.
:yes:

[jellywrestler]

I will help anyone that is genuine and sincere, I think thats a reasonable expectation.
I consider myself both genuine and sincere, would you be able to give me a lift to Firecats in Pamlerston North after the races on saturday please?

[MIXONE]

I consider myself both genuine and sincere, would you be able to give me a lift to Firecats in Pamlerston North after the races on saturday please?

Is that the nipple bar?I went there once and there aint no tits.

[crazy man]

I say we bring a big mat to manfeild and a couple of SUMO wrestling outfits for them
It would be funnier than a fight in church i reckonlike 2 men enter 1 man leave like madmax:laugh:

[crazy man]

What the thread starter is after is to poke sharp sticks at people and giggle at the outcome. I'm sure he's hoping for a shit fight that even the Brothers Mair would be proud of.

However, I think all you'll get out of Robert is quality components ......... well set up suspension ......... bloody Labour/NZ First voters should be shot ......l thought we were mates:no: after last weekend now you want to shoot me

[Edbear]

Different strokes for different folks and all that. What suits one rider won't suit even his teammate and it's all about rider confidence to push as hard as he can.

Ohlins is one of the best brands around but another rider may prefer another brand if it is set up to suit his personal riding style.

In the end it's so close that individual set up is more important than what brand of suspension you are using. If the K-tech guy sets his up better than the Ohlin's guy for a particular rider, that rider may well decide K-tech is better than Ohlins.

Craig Shirriffs commented that in race two on Sat. he felt a lack of confidence after being very comfortable in race one. What was the difference between races? He was still running the same suspension yet he said the bike felt different.

[Crasherfromwayback]

I say we bring a big mat to manfeild and a couple of SUMO wrestling outfits for them
It would be funnier than a fight in church i reckon

Kerry Dukie always wears a sumo suit anyway, so a bit unfair.

[HenryDorsetCase]

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[avgas]

My submission to the cause, the loser stops peddling their brand.
My 2c.
I would like to see both compared to a crappy standard susp setup (even Showa), then a slightly more expensive brand (Konis etc).

I would love to see a hardtail in the test.........but even I know that is going too far.

[FROSTY]

My view on this is simple. Competition always improves EVERYBODIES performance. Look at the kind of service we have had in the past from total monopolies.

[HenryDorsetCase]

My view on this is simple. Competition always improves EVERYBODIES performance. Look at the kind of service we have had in the past from total monopolies.

The best local example is Telecom after privatisation. All the directors, and all the GMs should be put against the wall and shot. No, I dont have shares and never have.

[Shaun]

I was asked directly by a certain companies CEO about a certain person being the distributor of there quality equipment


I replied with PROVEN fact of Poor quality workman ship regarding this person in the interest of RIDER SAFETY!


Nothing personell at all just genuine concern, as I know what it is like to be realy injured from a crash, and it hurts more than just the rider, family friends etc

[Biggles08]

...Different strokes for different folks and all that. What suits one rider won't suit even his teammate and it's all about rider confidence to push as hard as he can..

That's it 100% in a nutshell!

If the rider is confident in whatever is under him then he will swear by the brand and the technician. It doesn't really matter (well it does but for the point I'm making it doesn't) the science behind the suspension, it's ALL about how the rider feels about it. This responsibility is not only on the technician to get right either, the rider needs to feel confident in the feedback he is giving...in other words, if I describe a feeling I am getting from the bikes handling and the technician asks more question surrounding that feeling, I am more confident in the resulting changes made, possibly making me 'think' the bike is actually better than it is...commonly called the 'placebo effect.' This is a very real thing and shouldn't be underestimated.

This is one thing I have found Robert Taylor to be very good at, giving confidence to me by listening to my comments and making any adjustments he sees as necessary. It worked extremely well in the last couple of rounds of the 2010 Nats with Chris Suchich being the 'in-between man' for me and Robert.

Robert is very professional in the manner in which he deals with the grey matter between the ears of racers, that is why I have decided to use his services this year...it works for me.

[lukemillar]

Ok, I may have missed something here.... Has CKT now been rebranded KSS or is KSS a new company?

[Shaun]

Ok, I may have missed something here.... Has CKT now been rebranded KSS or is KSS a new company?



Same company NEW name, as there sister company ( CROWN KIWI) name was very simillar

[ducatilover]

Is that the nipple bar?I went there once and there aint no tits.
Plenty of tits there, I had a mate who worked there :niceone:

[crazy man]

My 2c.
I would like to see both compared to a crappy standard susp setup (even Showa), then a slightly more expensive brand (Konis etc).

I would love to see a hardtail in the test.........but even I know that is going too far.l will be the stig with the stock bike the other 2 with there crap on it. l wonder how meany times l could lap them in a 10 lap race lol and lm just a back marker now days

[crazy man]

Same company NEW name, as there sister company ( CROWN KIWI) name was very simillarwho has the old name now

[Robert Taylor]

who has the old name now

You can check who registered CKT domain name and ask him! It says a lot

[nodrog]

You can check who registered CKT domain name and ask him! It says a lot

this one?

http://whois.asiaregistry.com/displayWhois.php?zone=ckt.co.nz

[Ivan]

so do you still have the buisiness name ckt so it cant be used to claim one company as being another by using ckt's credible name and someone else using it to "claim as themselves"

[Drew]

That's it 100% in a nutshell!

If the rider is confident in whatever is under him then he will swear by the brand and the technician. It doesn't really matter (well it does but for the point I'm making it doesn't) the science behind the suspension, it's ALL about how the rider feels about it. This responsibility is not only on the technician to get right either, the rider needs to feel confident in the feedback he is giving...in other words, if I describe a feeling I am getting from the bikes handling and the technician asks more question surrounding that feeling, I am more confident in the resulting changes made, possibly making me 'think' the bike is actually better than it is...commonly called the 'placebo effect.' This is a very real thing and shouldn't be underestimated.

This is one thing I have found Robert Taylor to be very good at, giving confidence to me by listening to my comments and making any adjustments he sees as necessary. It worked extremely well in the last couple of rounds of the 2010 Nats with Chris Suchich being the 'in-between man' for me and Robert.

Robert is very professional in the manner in which he deals with the grey matter between the ears of racers, that is why I have decided to use his services this year...it works for me.A rider who can actually FEEL the differences being made and pushing harder because of it though, needs the best set up under him. Your placebo effect does not necessarily equal faster lap times, where more traction and feel does.



Different strokes for different folks and all that. What suits one rider won't suit even his teammate and it's all about rider confidence to push as hard as he can.

Ohlins is one of the best brands around but another rider may prefer another brand if it is set up to suit his personal riding style.

In the end it's so close that individual set up is more important than what brand of suspension you are using. If the K-tech guy sets his up better than the Ohlin's guy for a particular rider, that rider may well decide K-tech is better than Ohlins.

Craig Shirriffs commented that in race two on Sat. he felt a lack of confidence after being very comfortable in race one. What was the difference between races? He was still running the same suspension yet he said the bike felt different.The set up is the ONLY thing that matters to how a bike rides. What gear you have dictates the range of adjustment, and the consistency of performance. What tuner you have dictates how said adjustments are utilized.

[Str8 Jacket]

Ha! He is going to start his own 'Porky Pig' website!

[Biggles08]

A rider who can actually FEEL the differences being made and pushing harder because of it though, needs the best set up under him. Your placebo effect does not necessarily equal faster lap times, where more traction and feel does.

Absolutely agree, but the interpretation of that information AND the description by the rider is what I am talking about here...the rider is the uncommon denominator in the equation whereas the hardware is pure physics. This relationship between the rider and technition is I believe equally important in setting a bike up for that rider specifically for faster lap times.

[crazy man]

You can check who registered CKT domain name and ask him! It says a lotl wondered why my forks and new rear shock came back with dukic on it ;-)

[Robert Taylor]

Different strokes for different folks and all that. What suits one rider won't suit even his teammate and it's all about rider confidence to push as hard as he can.

Ohlins is one of the best brands around but another rider may prefer another brand if it is set up to suit his personal riding style.

In the end it's so close that individual set up is more important than what brand of suspension you are using. If the K-tech guy sets his up better than the Ohlin's guy for a particular rider, that rider may well decide K-tech is better than Ohlins.

Craig Shirriffs commented that in race two on Sat. he felt a lack of confidence after being very comfortable in race one. What was the difference between races? He was still running the same suspension yet he said the bike felt different.

The biggest standout difference was a sizable difference in track temperature but not such that it should have had such an effect. We are deliberating about the causes and sensitivity is one of the issues that suspension tuners have to deal with.

As an aside and we are not blaming this as a cause as it would affect a lot of bikes.....the amount of rubber on that skidpan ( concrete pit surface ) can only be a negative with hot tyres picking up a degree of undesirable residue. That skidpan had been in full use with drifters only the Sunday before

[Robert Taylor]

I have an idea.
Get Robert to set up my bike.
I'll ride it for a year (assuming I don't flip it again.
Then deck it out with Kerry's gear and repeat.
I won't charge to help out.
:yes:

It aint going to happen sorry, we have been engaged in plenty of comparisons over the years and dont need to keep proving it. That also comes at a real cost and in such a small market the cost to benefit ratio is much less agreeable than in huge markets. Moreover in business terms having Ohlins is a no brainer because they list so many suspension units for everyday roadbikes, cruisers, dirtbikes etc. They are by no means solely focused on the sideshow of road racing.
Its also interesting to note how many views this thread ( which is largely trivial ) has had in such a short time, personally I prefer threads that are largely informative and educational. And that is not said to invite stupid comments.

[Edbear]

A rider who can actually FEEL the differences being made and pushing harder because of it though, needs the best set up under him. Your placebo effect does not necessarily equal faster lap times, where more traction and feel does.


The set up is the ONLY thing that matters to how a bike rides. What gear you have dictates the range of adjustment, and the consistency of performance. What tuner you have dictates how said adjustments are utilized.


The biggest standout difference was a sizable difference in track temperature but not such that it should have had such an effect. We are deliberating about the causes and sensitivity is one of the issues that suspension tuners have to deal with.

As an aside and we are not blaming this as a cause as it would affect a lot of bikes.....the amount of rubber on that skidpan ( concrete pit surface ) can only be a negative with hot tyres picking up a degree of undesirable residue. That skidpan had been in full use with drifters only the Sunday before

I agree. While it is valuable to have top spec componentry, and that can make a huge difference, at the top level the differences are very subtley adjusted to the individual rider, hence why the technical expertise of the one setting the system up and the ability of the rider to provide good feedback is as vital or more so than the actual brand of componentry and that an individual rider can make one setup work for him while another would be slower on the same setup.

I was amazed at just how crucial tyres are and in particular getting them to wear consistently with changing track conditions. It could well have been debris on the tyres, but I would have thought it would have worn off by the time Craig came to a slippery end. His rear tyre, as I mentioned was billiard ball smooth on the left shoulder but scrubbed on the right. Marcus' rear tyre was chopping up on the right shoulder causing him to observe it was like riding on marbles but good on the left.

So while every little bit helps and having the best suspension set up is necessary and having the top spec componentry also helps, in the end it is down to the rider to get the best out of it and so much can go wrong that the fastest and best set up bike and rider may lose or come second due to the variables of tyre performance over the course of a race. Witness Stroudy's problem in race two, where he could have fought side by side with Robbie for the lead. He had the engine and suspension, not to mention the skill, to match anyone.

Observing the races, there was really nothing in it engine-wise between the top four or five but Nick ran off under brakes and Craig lay down. Andrew backed off a bit doing just enough to preserve second and Robbie just stormed around seemingly with pace unabated.

[ecko_nzed]

You can check who registered CKT domain name and ask him! It says a lot

Have you tried http://dnc.org.nz/story/drs-home

good for dealing with childish behaviour like that.

Confirms my suspicions as to why I would never do business with someone like that.

[husaberg]

personally I prefer threads that are largely informative and educational. And that is not said to invite stupid comments.

This is still KB isn't it.
You don't actually need to invite the stupid comments they always end up gatecrashing the threads anyway.

That said. I kind get what the thread was about and while i can't really form an balanced judgement to what has happened. without both sides of the story i get an idea what has occurred. Which is more than a little sad really. But a name is just a name and a reputation is a little harder to purchase.



Re crazy's suggestion Below my money's on the Ugly guy. Yes he knows who he is.

Seriously the winner would be the one that ....er....finished first.

Real men always finish first just ask my lady.
ps Why are women such poor losers....They always act a little put out about it......



Do you still have anything to do with the 2 stokes Robert. I seem to recall you having one of the first Dynojets i can remember?

[crazy man]

ok who would win the race robert or dukic. l dont even know if they have even been on a bike in there life but l would say dukic would love to get one over robert but who knows robert maybe 10 times 500 gp champ before l know

[Robert Taylor]

ok who would win the race robert or dukic. l dont even know if they have even been on a bike in there life but l would say dukic would love to get one over robert but who knows robert maybe 10 times 500 gp champ before l know

Just fyi I have had a full motorcycle license since 1974 and through the 70s / 80s owned and rode a succession of large capacity road bikes. Several times a week I still do so, testing and optimising suspension upgrades that we have fitted.

[Robert Taylor]

I agree. While it is valuable to have top spec componentry, and that can make a huge difference, at the top level the differences are very subtley adjusted to the individual rider, hence why the technical expertise of the one setting the system up and the ability of the rider to provide good feedback is as vital or more so than the actual brand of componentry and that an individual rider can make one setup work for him while another would be slower on the same setup.

I was amazed at just how crucial tyres are and in particular getting them to wear consistently with changing track conditions. It could well have been debris on the tyres, but I would have thought it would have worn off by the time Craig came to a slippery end. His rear tyre, as I mentioned was billiard ball smooth on the left shoulder but scrubbed on the right. Marcus' rear tyre was chopping up on the right shoulder causing him to observe it was like riding on marbles but good on the left.

So while every little bit helps and having the best suspension set up is necessary and having the top spec componentry also helps, in the end it is down to the rider to get the best out of it and so much can go wrong that the fastest and best set up bike and rider may lose or come second due to the variables of tyre performance over the course of a race. Witness Stroudy's problem in race two, where he could have fought side by side with Robbie for the lead. He had the engine and suspension, not to mention the skill, to match anyone.

Observing the races, there was really nothing in it engine-wise between the top four or five but Nick ran off under brakes and Craig lay down. Andrew backed off a bit doing just enough to preserve second and Robbie just stormed around seemingly with pace unabated.

Of note is that the track temperatures through race day actually suited the Dunlops very best, and thats a big turnround because the last couple of National rounds and as I recall Tri Series rounds had much higher temps that best suit the Pirelli / Metzeler tyres. All credit to Robbie, he has come out of the blocks firing. We also built Robbies suspension front and rear and in fact his race shock was rebled on our vacuum bleeder prior to the second race as there was a concern that there was a little bit of unwanted air in it from hand bleeding. Excessive air in the oil helps to induce fade and introduces more unwanted hysterisis.
Both Robbie and Andrew were constantly under the lap record in the 3s.

[Robert Taylor]

This is still KB isn't it.
You don't actually need to invite the stupid comments they always end up gatecrashing the threads anyway.

That said. I kind get what the thread was about and while i can't really form an balanced judgement to what has happened. without both sides of the story i get an idea what has occurred. Which is more than a little sad really. But a name is just a name and a reputation is a little harder to purchase.



Do you still have anything to do with the 2 stokes. I seem to recall you having one of the first Dynojets i can remember?

2 stroke grinding and tuning is now very much a distant memory and I probably inhaled too much aluminium dust! Chris Osbourne now owns my old Dynojet dyno which had the honour of being much more 2 stroke focused than the ''half time'' engines we now suffer!

[Robert Taylor]

Have you tried http://dnc.org.nz/story/drs-home

good for dealing with childish behaviour like that.

Confirms my suspicions as to why I would never do business with someone like that.

The silly thing is that we were going to change our name anyway, given that our two sister companies were too similiar in name, creating confusion. Especially with dealers. So registraion by another party was a waste of money, to that party.
Of interest also is that after a very unsatisfactory experience with another party the YSS distributors have indicated a desire for us ( KSS ) to provide a leading service facility for that product. In the new year we will be getting up to speed with that.

[husaberg]

Chris Osbourne now owns my old Dynojet dyno which had the honour of being much more 2 stroke focused than the ''half time'' engines we now suffer!

Shame really because for what its worth if you added up the total pollution caused by all the 2 stroke competition engines ever used.
I bet it would add up to less pollution than a few overseas trips to Geneva to discuss how we can save the environment.
Or a couple of boat trips to Antarctica to save the Whales.

[ducatilover]

It aint going to happen sorry, we have been engaged in plenty of comparisons over the years and dont need to keep proving it. In that case mate I am willing to accept a set of happy ZXR400h forks and some sort of rear shock to go in my ZZR600, I'll be happy to keep them free of charge being the great guy that I am :niceone:

[Edbear]

In that case mate I am willing to accept a set of happy ZXR400h forks and some sort of rear shock to go in my ZZR600, I'll be happy to keep them free of charge being the great guy that I am :niceone:

Your unselfish generosity is admirable, mate!

[Dodgy]

My god, what antics taking your domain name!!

[ducatilover]

Your unselfish generosity is admirable, mate!

I think of it as doing a favour :laugh: I'm just such a great bloke. How about I take care of one of those batteries Ed? I'll cut you a great deal :msn-wink:

[Edbear]

I think of it as doing a favour :laugh: I'm just such a great bloke. How about I take care of one of those batteries Ed? I'll cut you a great deal :msn-wink:

I'd love to take you up on your kind offer, mate, but I've been cut several times already... :rolleyes:

[ducatilover]

I'd love to take you up on your kind offer, mate, but I've been cut several times already... :rolleyes:
Fair enough.
I'll be buying a battery off you when the job situation starts winning again.
Can you PM me what you can offer, I want as compact as possible for a custom application, it's all ZZR600d ('91) gear. YT-12 I think is the Yuasa code?

[Edbear]

Fair enough.
I'll be buying a battery off you when the job situation starts winning again.
Can you PM me what you can offer, I want as compact as possible for a custom application, it's all ZZR600d ('91) gear. YT-12 I think is the Yuasa code?

Will do! :niceone:

[cowpoos]

okay...I've been out of the in crowd for a awhile to be fair...but have dealt with both.

when I've had issuse's....tyre shear, excessive rear wheel slip,....[I] have at those two times talked too both as they we amicably working together at that stage....

Robert: ask more questions to decipher rider babble! ask more questions about other end of bike to decipher more rider babble.

Kerry: ask questions about what problem was....tell me how to counter that with smoother throttle application....because thats what he did when he rode 500 gp's [im not telling lies...and have found no record of him riding GP's ]....when that didn't work [probally because I thought he was full of shit]...he start telling me about when he was flying F16 intercepter fucking jet planes....so I knew he was full of shit....[disclaimer...a few people I know and are very talented swear by Kerry....but....he does not install confidence in me...I am not telling lies about what I have said....he is obviously a clever man...with a tounge that lets porkies roll of them]

so my conclusion....talk to Robert Taylor, Ray Clee, Kerry Dukic, Norm Cobb, dude from rotorua [that does WP], Red Fenton [CHCH]....and make your own decision....in my personal conclusion....fucken hard to go past Robert Taylor and Ray clee....[not dealt with Red fento or Norn Cobb]...the key is really comunication with the tuner...if you can tell them what you feel...rather than what you THINK YOU FEEL...it will go along way...and TRUST THEM to change what they think...feeling something...learning to feel something...is critical to communicating to them whats acctually wrong...learning the difference between you blaming your own bike for your short comings....will make a massive difference to what your suspension tuner can do to improve your bike....

and for the suspension tuners reading this...feel to a rider is gold....if you think they talking shit...give them better feel...and then decipher there babble :)

[crazy man]

okay...I've been out of the in crowd for a awhile to be fair...but have dealt with both.

when I've had issuse's....tyre shear, excessive rear wheel slip,....[I] have at those two times talked too both as they we amicably working together at that stage....

Robert: ask more questions to decipher rider babble! ask more questions about other end of bike to decipher more rider babble.

Kerry: ask questions about what problem was....tell me how to counter that with smoother throttle application....because thats what he did when he rode 500 gp's [im not telling lies...and have found no record of him riding GP's ]....when that didn't work [probally because I thought he was full of shit]...he start telling me about when he was flying F16 intercepter fucking jet planes....so I knew he was full of shit....[disclaimer...a few people I know and are very talented swear by Kerry....but....he does not install confidence in me...I am not telling lies about what I have said....he is obviously a clever man...with a tounge that lets porkies roll of them]

so my conclusion....talk to Robert Taylor, Ray Clee, Kerry Dukic, Norm Cobb, dude from rotorua [that does WP], Red Fenton [CHCH]....and make your own decision....in my personal conclusion....fucken hard to go past Robert Taylor and Ray clee....[not dealt with Red fento or Norn Cobb]...the key is really comunication with the tuner...if you can tell them what you feel...rather than what you THINK YOU FEEL...it will go along way...and TRUST THEM to change what they think...feeling something...learning to feel something...is critical to communicating to them whats acctually wrong...learning the difference between you blaming your own bike for your short comings....will make a massive difference to what your suspension tuner can do to improve your bike....

and for the suspension tuners reading this...feel to a rider is gold....if you think they talking shit...give them better feel...and then decipher there babble :)but remember kerry betting rossi at the motor gp he was riding under another name then (-; so he must be the man

[husaberg]

....because thats what he did when he rode 500 gp's [im not telling lies...and have found no record of him riding GP's ]....when that didn't work [probally because I thought he was full of shit]...he start telling me about when he was flying F16 intercepter fucking jet planes....so I knew he was full of shit....

Are you sure he said he flew F16s
He could of said "after he did to much F2, he threw up and needed to go see the GP"

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[cowpoos]

Are you sure he said he flew F16s
He could of said "after he did to much F2, he threw up and needed to go see the GP"


im sure...rotund people may wobble a bit when sober....but often fall over when drunk....my summation is....he was not drunk...but I can not discount a bad pie or Chinese takeaway....therefor the GP [general practitioner] argument is valid...but highly unlikely...but would explain totally being full of shit?? in more than one way :)

[husaberg]

im sure...rotund people may wobble a bit when sober....but often fall over when drunk....my summation is....he was not drunk...but I can not discount a bad pie or Chinese takeaway....therefor the GP [general practitioner] argument is valid...but highly unlikely...but would explain totally being full of shit?? in more than one way :)

From what i understand some hard drugs such as Heroin can make people constipated? :wait: i.e full of poo

Did he mention anything about skid marks?:rolleyes:

[cowpoos]

From what i understand some hard drugs such as Heroin makes you constipated? :wait:

Did he mention anything about skid marks?:rolleyes:

I took the bait once....now your being a troll....behave your self!!

[Robert Taylor]

As a generalisation I think in any business interactions all parties should reasonably expect complete honesty. Sadly that is so often not the case when so many untruths are espoused. Where I think people try and create so much aura around themselves ''I've done this, I've done that and it progresses to even more fantastic levels you then have to think am I also being deliberately lied to?
You either brush it off or you hold them in contempt.
I think its entirely reasonable and prudent to not take any claims ( especially the wilder ones ) from anyone at face value and ask ''show me the proof''

[F5 Dave]

Is this thread still going? As a younger lad I was taken in by the stories of a couple of habitual liars (and no, not like that you pervie homos!). Their stories were fantastic & appealed to my greed as they could get me this or that at a super cheap price, or had one they no longer needed, so you want to believe.

I've hardened & like to think I can pick a bull artist. Maybe I still miss the good ones, but erm say 5yrs ago a mate was telling me about some guy who seemed the real deal. Turns out I'd met him some years before, but I listened to him & had to leave the room laughing. I later went to tell my mate, who seemed quite put out. Nobody like to have their bubble burst.

[jasonu]

Is this thread still going? As a younger lad I was taken in by the stories of a couple of habitual liars (and no, not like that you pervie homos!). Their stories were fantastic & appealed to my greed as they could get me this or that at a super cheap price, or had one they no longer needed, so you want to believe.

I've hardened & like to think I can pick a bull artist. Maybe I still miss the good ones, but erm say 5yrs ago a mate was telling me about some guy who seemed the real deal. Turns out I'd met him some years before, but I listened to him & had to leave the room laughing. I later went to tell my mate, who seemed quite put out. Nobody like to have their bubble burst.

What the fuck are you on about???

[F5 Dave]

Bull artists, - you'd have to have met Daytona to know what I'm talking about.


Almost got a ride on a factory Suzuki, but they considered him too radical. True story [Tui Add].

[husaberg]

Bull artists, - you'd have to have met Daytona to know what I'm talking about.


Almost got a ride on a factory Suzuki, but they considered him too radical. True story [Tui Add].

Shit I know just how Daytona feels.
I too just narrowly missed out on a Factory Suzuki Ride after Kevin (Schwantz) retired
The only thing that counted against me was my total lack of talent, willpower and guts. But other than that and i never was actually asked to try out I could have been er....in Hospital all the time and lapped frequently as well. But I could have been a Pretender. Don't even get me started about the politics that kept me out of GP racing.:laugh:
Just seen this "The Schwantz story" 1993 starts slow but worth a gander http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php/145030-Kevin-Schwantz-story