Stoppy tyre pressures?

[haydes55]

Thinking of starting practising stoppies, I ride a hyosung GT250R So twin front discs and light 250, what pressure should I run in the front tire? any suggestions for rear tire pressure/suspension to absorb the hard landings?

Cheers =)

[hayd3n]

Thinking of starting practising stoppies, I ride a hyosung GT250R So twin front discs and light 250, what pressure should I run in the front tire? any suggestions for rear tire pressure/suspension to absorb the hard landings?

Cheers =)

practice soft landings

[ducatilover]

Normal tyre pressure.
It's not a light 250 either :bleh:

[Fast Eddie]

Normal tyre pressure.
It's not a light 250 either :bleh:

haha I recon, and that korean frame might snap on the way down too :D

[nodrog]

PM Katman.

[slofox]

How to do a Stoppie (in one easy lesson)

1.) Engage first gear
2.) Accelerate to 50km/hr or more.
3.) Keeping weight forward, jam on front brake as hard as you can.
4.) Call ambulance (and wrecker).

Nuffink to it.

[Stirts]

How to do a Stoppie (in one easy lesson)

1.) Engage first gear
2.) Accelerate to 50km/hr or more.
3.) Keeping weight forward, jam on front brake as hard as you can.
4.) Call ambulance (and wrecker).

Nuffink to it.

No, that is an a Endoh!;
The act of being thrown over handlebars causing massive dental reconstructive surgery.

[slofox]

No, that is an a Endoh!;
The act of being thrown over handlebars causing massive dental reconstructive surgery.

Oh...so that's what I've been doing wrong...damn!

[tigertim20]

Thinking of starting practising stoppies, I ride a hyosung GT250R So twin front discs and light 250, what pressure should I run in the front tire? any suggestions for rear tire pressure/suspension to absorb the hard landings?

Cheers =)

in all seriousness, (and I say that lightly, youre talking about doing a stoppie on the fuckin titanic here)
lower the pressure in the front down to 30-ish, maybe 32.

Rear around abouts 38-39psi. you dont want too soft or slamming will fuck your rims.

also, your bike is a fucking whale. if you really want to do this, you need to remember your weakest link.
make sure you have good brakes, stock are shit, upgrade pads, and preferabbly lines to something braided.

Once your brakes are good, get good grippy tyres. If your tyres are shit, the front will lock and tuck, and youll have gravel for teeth.
if possible, beef up for suspension, theyre soft stock, so theyll eat the energy instead of letting you create rear end lift.

lastly, after you dop it the first time, give up. Id honestly recommend not bothering with stoppies in the first place, but if youre gonna do it, the above might be helpfull

[DrunkenMistake]

in all seriousness, (and I say that lightly, youre talking about doing a stoppie on the fuckin titanic here)
lower the pressure in the front down to 30-ish, maybe 32.

Rear around abouts 38-39psi. you dont want too soft or slamming will fuck your rims.

also, your bike is a fucking whale. if you really want to do this, you need to remember your weakest link.
make sure you have good brakes, stock are shit, upgrade pads, and preferabbly lines to something braided.

Once your brakes are good, get good grippy tyres. If your tyres are shit, the front will lock and tuck, and youll have gravel for teeth.
if possible, beef up for suspension, theyre soft stock, so theyll eat the energy instead of letting you create rear end lift.

lastly, after you dop it the first time, give up. Id honestly recommend not bothering with stoppies in the first place, but if youre gonna do it, the above might be helpfull

29 front 32 rear is the recommended pressures for bog standing riding according to the workshop manual.

[hayd3n]

also find a half made bridge,
race to the end and slam the front brakes as hard as you can:laugh:
i suggest to do this on a bridge going over water!

[Fast Eddie]

lol some very dangerous advice on KB..

[ducatilover]

29 front 32 rear is the recommended pressures for bog standing riding according to the workshop manual.
That's bloody low isn't it? I found 32 front and 36 rear worked brilliant on the ZZR (I didn't work so well though)
It would step out in 1st/2nd at 30psi on the rear, was rather fun...in the dry too

[DrunkenMistake]

That's bloody low isn't it? I found 32 front and 36 rear worked brilliant on the ZZR (I didn't work so well though)
It would step out in 1st/2nd at 30psi on the rear, was rather fun...in the dry too

yeah according to the manual,
in saying that its for the factory tyres, been a Korean bike its probably the rubber liner they use the Nuke tubes... :rolleyes:

[tigertim20]

That's bloody low isn't it? I found 32 front and 36 rear worked brilliant on the ZZR (I didn't work so well though)
It would step out in 1st/2nd at 30psi on the rear, was rather fun...in the dry too

i thought it was fuckin low too. but im talking about these pressures with some soft sticky tyres. I guess bog stock factory tyres are probably made of concrete

[ducatilover]

yeah according to the manual,
in saying that its for the factory tyres, been a Korean bike its probably the rubber liner they use the Nuke tubes... :rolleyes:


i thought it was fuckin low too. but im talking about these pressures with some soft sticky tyres. I guess bog stock factory tyres are probably made of concrete

Probably IRC Nylon-tastic shitters :laugh: They'll have to be hard under all that weight

[Marmoot]

3.) Keeping weight forward, jam on front brake as hard as you can.


Seriously???

[Drew]

Seriously???No, not seriously.

That method will lock up the front wheel.

Pressures depend on what tyres your using. 30psi is too high no matter what your running on, and the rear pressure is not relevant. YES, I said not relevant, on a flat road you could have it at 10psi and the rim wont hit the ground on landing.

I used to run about 22-25psi when I had my stunt bike and found it to be good.

As for the bike, nothing wrong with it for doing stoppies. A mate got his head round stoppies on the same bike.

That all said, stoppies are far more likely to go tits up than other activities! And when that shit goes wrong, it fuckin hurts...Trust me.

[Drew]

i thought it was fuckin low too. but im talking about these pressures with some soft sticky tyres. I guess bog stock factory tyres are probably made of concreteDefine 'soft sticky rubber' for me please. On supercorsa's I run 25psi rear, and 28-30 froint on the road.

[Maha]

also find a half made bridge,
race to the end and slam the front brakes as hard as you can:laugh:
i suggest to do this on a bridge going over water!

Do you remember a thread on here a couple of years ago where someone (idiot) was doing this sort of stuff in front a concrete wall?
I think he ended up broken.

[CHOPPA]

Stoppies are much more impressive then wheelstands but they have to be fast rolling stoppies, none of this stop sign stuff....

Make sure your tyre is hot and there is a good gripy surface

[ducatilover]

Define 'soft sticky rubber' for me please. On supercorsa's I run 25psi rear, and 28-30 froint on the road.
Fuuuck.
Maybe it's my heavy pig bike, but it was shifting around like mad and skidding up with anything near the 30psi mark, with the rear at 36 it's rock solid and feels uber nice.

[tigertim20]

Define 'soft sticky rubber' for me please. On supercorsa's I run 25psi rear, and 28-30 froint on the road.

as in not shit like Kenda. if he has his brakes in good nick and runs crap tyres, its going to be more likely to end in an avoidable bin. I dont see the need to go as far as a supercorsa for stoppies.
my point was that he will want to lower pressures from stock (was thinking that was a bit lower than the man. recs. for stock on my bike) as a slightly lower pressure will flatten off giving a) a bit more grip and b) a slightly more stable flat area to aid with balance.

Plenty of poeple who are stoppie kings wont bother with half it, but he is asking to learn, may as well make it as easy as possible

[haydes55]

crack up reading through the advice from people who have tried and failed to people who have done it.

I might just stick to trying wheelstands for now, starting slow, not long wheelstands. My speedway bike has no brakes so I've done plenty of wheelstands before but never stoppies (just on push bikes but that doesn't count).

The Hyosung has twin disc front brakes so I thought (ignorant as I now seem) that they would be good enough, the tyres are plenty sticky enough after a windy ride, will look into top quality pads and braided lines.

People may mock the korean bikes but they aren't all that bad. alot better than the chinese disasters, mines done over 30,000kms and still runs mint with plenty of power for a 250, and the v-twin has great power through out the entire rev range (unlike the parallel twins that have no power til they start screaming). Biggest bonus of it being korean and cheap is I can learn stunting tricks and not really care too much if it gets totalled, not like it's a valuable bike or anything haha. just my screw around and get my licence on bike, then hello GSXR750 =)

[ducatilover]

People may mock the korean bikes but they aren't all that bad. alot better than the chinese disasters, mines done over 30,000kms and still runs mint with plenty of power for a 250, and the v-twin has great power through out the entire rev range (unlike the parallel twins that have no power til they start screaming). Biggest bonus of it being korean and cheap is I can learn stunting tricks and not really care too much if it gets totalled, not like it's a valuable bike or anything haha. just my screw around and get my licence on bike, then hello GSXR750 =)
The late 80's GPX250R with the twin front disc will bum a Hyosung.
They're a good commuter and learner bike, they're in no way fast, not even for a 250.
In saying that (now that I've been a cunt) they are a good bike and I recommend them to taller people.

[Drew]

crack up reading through the advice from people who have tried and failed to people who have done it.

I might just stick to trying wheelstands for now, starting slow, not long wheelstands. My speedway bike has no brakes so I've done plenty of wheelstands before but never stoppies (just on push bikes but that doesn't count).

The Hyosung has twin disc front brakes so I thought (ignorant as I now seem) that they would be good enough, the tyres are plenty sticky enough after a windy ride, will look into top quality pads and braided lines.

People may mock the korean bikes but they aren't all that bad. alot better than the chinese disasters, mines done over 30,000kms and still runs mint with plenty of power for a 250, and the v-twin has great power through out the entire rev range (unlike the parallel twins that have no power til they start screaming). Biggest bonus of it being korean and cheap is I can learn stunting tricks and not really care too much if it gets totalled, not like it's a valuable bike or anything haha. just my screw around and get my licence on bike, then hello GSXR750 =)More power to ya man, have fun.

[ClutchITUP]

plenty of other forums and youtube clips on the net about stoppies much more helpful than here,
I would say practice on push bikes down hill alot first
and alway do some hard braking on the front tyre before trying to do a stoppie to get heat into the tyre first.
you dont need to modify your bike at all
just get heat in the front b4 trying an all out stoppie

[cowpoos]

as in not shit like Kenda. if he has his brakes in good nick and runs crap tyres, its going to be more likely to end in an avoidable bin. I dont see the need to go as far as a supercorsa for stoppies.
my point was that he will want to lower pressures from stock (was thinking that was a bit lower than the man. recs. for stock on my bike) as a slightly lower pressure will flatten off giving a) a bit more grip and b) a slightly more stable flat area to aid with balance.

Plenty of poeple who are stoppie kings wont bother with half it, but he is asking to learn, may as well make it as easy as possible

ya full of it dude...I used to do rolling stoppies on dirt bike on wet grass/dirt/gravel road..talking pressusres and shit is just blah...the advice we really should tell him...is just do it...don't over think it!

[CHOPPA]

Basically if you need advice on how to do a wheely or a stoppie you shouldnt be doing them :scooter:

[haydes55]

Basically if you need advice on how to do a wheely or a stoppie you shouldnt be doing them :scooter:

Ridden all my life on bikes with no brakes, was just seeing if anything was needed. I can do wheel stands (not on the 250 though).
Never done a stoppy on anything more than a push bike (looked fairly easy).

[mossy1200]

You could do something really different and enjoy riding bike with both wheels on ground.

[haydes55]

You could do something really different and enjoy riding bike with both wheels on ground.

I do, very much. Learning to do stoppies helps with brake control the same way wheel stands help with throttle control. Plus it would look cool to be able to bust out a stoppie :laugh:

After hearing everyones points of views I think I will stay clear of stoppies for now.

[cowpoos]

Basically if you need advice on how to do a wheely or a stoppie you shouldnt be doing them :scooter:

excellent advice!

[DrunkenMistake]

Ridden all my life on bikes with no brakes, was just seeing if anything was needed.


Thank you for this one section here,
It has truly made my week

[haydes55]

Thank you for this one section here,
It has truly made my week

Took me a while to realise the irony :facepalm: haha "Ridden bikes all my life, never had a chance to do stoppies. Now that I had a bike that had front brakes was wondering what I would need to do stoppies" Corrected :laugh:

[haydes55]

You could do something really different and enjoy riding bike with both wheels on ground.

256207
Pic pretty well sums it up :laugh:

[Drew]

256207
Pic pretty well sums it up :laugh:That is a pretty ugly looking high chair. They're not as hard to do, as they look.

[mossy1200]

Im only fooling round do what makes you happy but you would be better off using a cheep banger stunt bike to learn on than you road bike.Put the Hyo over the front and and its prob dead.

Get something like this strip bits off it put some cross bars on it

http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/sports/auction-442424900.htm

http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/sports/auction-442708576.htm

[haydes55]

http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/sports/auction-442424900.htm



This is seriously the 1st question on the listing "hi this is a motorcycle? avistern (20 ) 9:48 pm, Mon 23 Jan
. 7:11 am, Tue 24 Jan" hahahaha

Hyo is written off anyway waiting for insurance to pay out now for a new bike/bikes.

[mossy1200]

This is seriously the 1st question on the listing "hi this is a motorcycle? avistern (20 ) 9:48 pm, Mon 23 Jan
. 7:11 am, Tue 24 Jan" hahahaha

Hyo is written off anyway waiting for insurance to pay out now for a new bike/bikes.

Have i missed something at start of Thread you were riding Hyo now its written off when did this happen and were you attempting stoppy at the time.

Im now thinking stop using an insured motorbike to do stoppies on cause its effecting everyone insurance premiums get a stunt bike and do it off the road.

[haydes55]

Have i missed something at start of Thread you were riding Hyo now its written off when did this happen and were you attempting stoppy at the time.

Im now thinking stop using an insured motorbike to do stoppies on cause its effecting everyone insurance premiums get a stunt bike and do it off the road.

Was riding a Hyo, got written off on xmas day by a ute. Almost did a stoppy though when he pulled infront of me (mid corner).

[DrunkenMistake]

Was riding a Hyo, got written off on xmas day by a ute. Almost did a stoppy though when he pulled infront of me (mid corner).

Oh I think I remember this now,
You made a thread about it didnt you?

have you made any head way with insurance?

[ducatilover]

head

Yes please...

[haydes55]

Oh I think I remember this now,
You made a thread about it didnt you?

have you made any head way with insurance?

Tomorrow will be 2 weeks of the insurance having all the details from the shop so I'll be giving them another call. Want the cash now to buy the bike I'm looking at on TM.

[DrunkenMistake]

Tomorrow will be 2 weeks of the insurance having all the details from the shop so I'll be giving them another call. Want the cash now to buy the bike I'm looking at on TM.

yeah bro,
took my insurance almost two months to sort my bike out after it was stolen and written off,
and it was a clean cut write off.
Just takes time.

[haydes55]

yeah bro,
took my insurance almost two months to sort my bike out after it was stolen and written off,
and it was a clean cut write off.
Just takes time.

Just insurers being tossers :tugger:

Instead of spending millions advertising their insurance to be most trusted blah blah blah. Why not pay out people in reasonable times, an insurer who pays out as soon as they have all the info will be very popular.

[DEATH_INC.]

Basically if you need advice on how to do a wheely or a stoppie you shouldnt be doing them :scooter:

WTF? :blink: Get out there and do it, that's how we learnt. There's nothing wrong with asking for a few tips tho.... :facepalm:

[haydes55]

WTF? :blink: Get out there and do it, that's how we learnt. There's nothing wrong with asking for a few tips tho.... :facepalm:

Basically was asking "hey stoppies look cool I might give that a try! I don't want to land straight on my face wonder if there's anything I should know?"

What I have learnt is I'm going to buy a shitty unregistered bike as a practice bike :niceone:

[Drew]

Basically was asking "hey stoppies look cool I might give that a try! I don't want to land straight on my face wonder if there's anything I should know?"

What I have learnt is I'm going to buy a shitty unregistered bike as a practice bike :niceone:Ask the insurance company if you can buy back the Hyobag. If ya get it cheap enough, wreckers are full of them to get bits for making it ridable.

[haydes55]

Ask the insurance company if you can buy back the Hyobag. If ya get it cheap enough, wreckers are full of them to get bits for making it ridable.

Bent forks and frame apparently. Wouldn't be worth the hassle. Always plenty of 250's in the wreckers yards :laugh:

[Drew]

Bent forks and frame apparently. Wouldn't be worth the hassle. Always plenty of 250's in the wreckers yards :laugh:

Problem with 250 bikes, is that the two stroke race reps were the only ones to come out with decent suspension and brakes.

The thing that will send you sliding down the road on yer face whilst trying to do stoppies most, is the forks bottoming out. Because the tyre has to cope with a suden jolt of extra pressure.

Whatever you get, needs new fork oil, and good compression damping. Once ya have that, almost anything will stoppie.

[haydes55]

almost anything will stoppie.

You mean almost any sport or dirt style bike will stoppy. Would love to see you try do a stoppy on any cruiser haha.

[Drew]

You mean almost any sport or dirt style bike will stoppy. Would love to see you try do a stoppy on any cruiser haha.I don't do stoppies on anything except motard type bikes. I've worn a bike to the back of the head when I cocked it up.

[haydes55]

I don't do stoppies on anything except motard type bikes. I've worn a bike to the back of the head when I cocked it up.

That doesn't sound fun! My new bike is going to be a motard style 250, maybe 2stroke or 4 stroke depending on whats available.... Still waiting on insurance (they sent me a letter to the wrong address.... Even though in my claim form I told them my address).

[Drew]

That doesn't sound fun! My new bike is going to be a motard style 250, maybe 2stroke or 4 stroke depending on whats available.... Still waiting on insurance (they sent me a letter to the wrong address.... Even though in my claim form I told them my address).

Motards are by far the easiest to stoppie.

Harder to wheelie though. Because the suspension has so much travel, and is quite soft. So when you modulate the throttle the balance point moves. The suspension compresses as you gas off, moving the balance point rearward. When you get back on the gas the shock extends and the balance point moves forward. Gotta be silky smooth to get a decent wheelie on them.

Four stroke singles are hardest to loop over though, because shutting the throttle down is like dropping anchor.

[haydes55]

Motards are by far the easiest to stoppie.

Harder to wheelie though. Because the suspension has so much travel, and is quite soft. So when you modulate the throttle the balance point moves. The suspension compresses as you gas off, moving the balance point rearward. When you get back on the gas the shock extends and the balance point moves forward. Gotta be silky smooth to get a decent wheelie on them.

Four stroke singles are hardest to loop over though, because shutting the throttle down is like dropping anchor.

Yea I'm used to a 500cc single 4 stroke with no suspension. I'll stick to doing wheelstands on that when I feel the need haha.

[DEATH_INC.]

Motards are by far the easiest to stoppie.

Harder to wheelie though.
Yep, that's why I have a giggle when people say 'learn to wheelie a dirtbike'
Oh, and SOME cruisers can be made to stoppie....

[haydes55]

Oh, and SOME cruisers can be made to stoppie....

Pics or it didn't happen :laugh:

[Mooch]

Stunt team at motogp in philip island where doing long stoppies on a vrod. Hard not to be impressed.

Found the KR1 two stroke easy to do these on including soft touch down. I can't pull a wheelie for my life but stoppies have been easy since the days of riding bmx

[haydes55]

Stunt team at motogp in philip island where doing long stoppies on a vrod. Hard not to be impressed.


:eek5: That's closed I can find to :impressedface:

[cowpoos]

Motards are by far the easiest to stoppie.

Harder to wheelie though. Because the suspension has so much travel, and is quite soft. So when you modulate the throttle the balance point moves. The suspension compresses as you gas off, moving the balance point rearward. When you get back on the gas the shock extends and the balance point moves forward. Gotta be silky smooth to get a decent wheelie on them.

Four stroke singles are hardest to loop over though, because shutting the throttle down is like dropping anchor.


Yep, that's why I have a giggle when people say 'learn to wheelie a dirtbike'
Oh, and SOME cruisers can be made to stoppie....



motrad/dirt bikes are much easier to wheelie...lower gearing/light weight make it much much easier guys!!....seriously...chook chasers are the easiest to wheelie!!

[tigertim20]

motrad/dirt bikes are much easier to wheelie...lower gearing/light weight make it much much easier guys!!....seriously...chook chasers are the easiest to wheelie!!

theyre a bit more durable when you stack it trying to learn than a fully faired bike

[haydes55]

theyre a bit more durable when you stack it trying to learn than a fully faired bike

and we all know that's going to happen :laugh:

[Drew]

motrad/dirt bikes are much easier to wheelie...lower gearing/light weight make it much much easier guys!!....seriously...chook chasers are the easiest to wheelie!!Ryan, would you like to have a wheelie comp between you, Andy, and myself?

Don't answer that with your ego, or you're gonna have to go and buy a bike, just to get your arse handed to you TWICE!

They are easier to hoist, they are harder to get a mintah going at a constant speed on a smooth surface.

[cowpoos]

Ryan, would you like to have a wheelie comp between you, Andy, and myself?

Don't answer that with your ego, or you're gonna have to go and buy a bike, just to get your arse handed to you TWICE!

They are easier to hoist, they are harder to get a mintah going at a constant speed on a smooth surface.

Your right I'm not going to buy one...but seriously...I and many many other people can wheelie dirt bikes for ages at constant speeds...on smooth or otherwise ground...on rolling ground its easy to control also...neither of us are going to back down from or point of view...so this debate will be eternally useless...

[Drew]

Your right I'm not going to buy one...but seriously...I and many many other people can wheelie dirt bikes for ages at constant speeds...on smooth or otherwise ground...on rolling ground its easy to control also...neither of us are going to back down from or point of view...so this debate will be eternally useless...

As much as I hate the implications of this statement, I am forced to submit it for you to consider.

It takes more skill to wheelie a dirt bike, than it does a road bike. Lots of people though, get put off by the speed of a road bike when they are learning. On a dirt bike, the risk seems lessened because of the often softer landings on ones arse.

And to an extent that is true. I looped your KLX and all we did was laugh!

[haydes55]

Thank you for this one section here,
It has truly made my week

Took 4 months but I have a picture that proves I could stoppie without front brakes hahahttps://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-snc7/487242_10150835495956428_561651427_9922510_2052776 104_n.jpg

[scrivy]

It takes more skill to wheelie a dirt bike, than it does a road bike. Lots of people though, get put off by the speed of a road bike when they are learning.

Thats true. I brought my Busa just to do wheelies. Love them! 4th gear at 230kms is like seeing God! Can't get enough of that shit! :banana:
Love it on badly cambered road, the bitch just sways from side to side........... nothing feels better.

[JayRacer37]

Thats true. I brought my Busa just to do wheelies. Love them! 4th gear at 230kms is like seeing God! Can't get enough of that shit! :banana:
Love it on badly cambered road, the bitch just sways from side to side........... nothing feels better.

That's cos it doesn't ever point straight, just like a 3 wheeler! Nutter

[CookMySock]

Learn that on a pitbike bro.

[caseye]

This is going to hurt.
Why?


:doh: