Myths

[jmmk]

Ok 6 weeks in and stuck in motel in Nelson cause of rain storm. I have now spent 3 weeks on each island andI would like to dispel the myth that south is better then north. Did north island first and would hear about 10 times a day how the south island is so much better and friendlier. Absolutely not true. First off both island are just as nice just different and the people aren't any more or less friendly on either island. In fact I have come to find most Kiwis in general very standoffish and almost impossible to get out of their motel rooms to have a drink and a chat, with a few exceptions. The people I have had the most fun with have come from somewhere else i.e Dutch, Brits, Germans, Aussies and even met and had good time with some Finns and Belgians.
I will say that there is obviously less traffic south island and the roads in general are in better condition but by far the more fun motorbike roads are on the north island unless of course you like to sometimes go in a straight line for hours at a time like many areas of the south.
Also many effin bad Kiwi drivers who for some unknown fucking reason like to cut lanes even on blind corners. Lost count how many times this has happened and caused me an off by Raglan as I was going into a 35km blind curve and some punk came the other way doing about 70 halfway in my lane.

Anyways nice country and mostly good rides and heading back north island for duration of trip to ride the more fun biking roads. And my favorite ride so far is hands down the Coromandel Loop.

Let the debate and inevitable bashing begin.

Later

[oneofsix]

Generally reads like a fair summing up but sounds a bit like you have only done the east coast south island roads? I wouldn't have said the west coast ones were straight for miles.
BTW I never considered Nelsonians as the most friendly examples, got to get down the west coast or into the southern areas :bleh:

[Paul in NZ]

Too many tourists is wearing us out......

[MSTRS]

Don't be too harsh...
You pissy just cos we have weather?

[Crasherfromwayback]

. In fact I have come to find most Kiwis in general very standoffish and almost impossible to get out of their motel rooms to have a drink and a chat, with a few exceptions. The people I have had the most fun with have come from somewhere else i.e Dutch, Brits, Germans, Aussies and even met and had good time with some Finns and Belgians.


Later

That's odd. We have a hell of a lot of tourists come through the shop, and the one thing nearly all of them say is how friendly and welcoming Kiwis are.

Maybe it's you?

Later.

[george formby]

That's odd. We have a hell of a lot of tourists come through the shop, and the one thing nearly all of them say is how friendly and welcoming Kiwis are.

Maybe it's you?

Later.

+1 Unfortunately the same cannot always be said in return.

I guess same as anywhere you get out what you put in & circumstances create an impression. Met plenty of un-engaging kiwis on my travels too & Aussies & Poms & Israelis etc.

I do like the roads I have on my doorstep, though. Twistylicious. Oh, we also have plenty of corner cutters too. Mouth breathers.

[White trash]

The makings of an epic thread right there. I'm beginning to think you may have a bit of a sense of humour after all :laugh:

[Bikemad]

its no myth JMMK........dont take the word of ya seeing eye dog and get some laser surgery done on ya eyes quick smart..............the bad drivers you describe are more than likely effin tourists i would suspect...........and as for not friendly...........when at the puponga camp at farewell spit recently all the european tourists,german carpenter dudes in their funny black outfits,french and belguim avoided us like the plague...........we had the barby goin and invited them to chuck on a steak have a beer and a chinwag..............nope...........retired to their tents/campers till we finished...........only then did they emerge to sit around and talk amongst themselves..........

[avgas]

Nothing like a good canook bitch thread. Similar to a Yank bitch thread but only half as good. :laugh:


nb: I am not a racist, I abuse all races the same. Agree with you that some kiwi's are wankers. But we can't distinguish them here unfortunately. They don't do something obvious like speak french over here.

[nodrog]

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[skippa1]

yeah well you can go now.....:rolleyes: oopppppsss I think I just confirmed the Ops view:eek:

[Jay GTI]

Fuck jmmk, you've broken the Golden Rule of visiting NZ....

No matter what you experience, if any of it is bad, indifferent, not as good as back home or anything that could be in any way taken as a criticism of "God's Own", you will be told quick sharp to "fuck off back to where you came from then".

Kiwis can be some of the most ignorant, small minded, arrogant and rude people you will ever meet. Sadly a lot of people don't realise this on their 4 week flying visit, when they fall in love with the scenery, great food and coffee and the magical lifestyle Kiwis seem to have... but discover this after they migrate here and start wondering why they weren't refered to as a "fucking whinging Pom" when they were here on holiday.

I'm a Kiwi, I'm from Nelson, I know what small-minded Kiwis are, I grew up with them and they make me embarrased to call myself a Kiwi sometimes.

On the flipside, there are some truely magical things about living here, I have spent half my life trying to live elsewhere in the world, but I only feel at home in NZ. Shame you haven't had the greatest experience, but hey "if you don't like it, why don't you fuck off back to where you came from"...

Oh and yes, white Kiwis of Eurpean decent (i.e. not some Asian import, or tourist or brown fella or whoever else they chose to blame) are, by and large, awful drivers.

[pzkpfw]

... The people I have had the most fun with have come from somewhere else i.e Dutch, Brits, Germans, Aussies and even met and had good time with some Finns and Belgians. ...

This could be less about the country they're from and more about them being similar people to you (travellers, whatever).

e.g. I can imagine a Welshman staying in London calling English people standoffish and saying thos Aussie and Kiwi backpackers were great.

[PirateJafa]

Interesting, we did the South Island just a week ago and had a much different experience (http://imgur.com/a/sUWbx#57).

[skippa1]

I'm a Kiwi, I'm from Nelson, I know what small-minded Kiwis are, I grew up with them and they make me embarrased to call myself a Kiwi sometimes.

:eek:you should be embarrased and ashamed:eek:

[5150]

All I can say is not to let few bad cookies spoil your holiday. Mind you there are some bad mannered people wherever you go to in the world. They are only a minority. Most Kiwis I have met are nice, friendly and helpful people. And how your attitude is to someone means what reaction you will get from them in return. I would say if you genuinely had a good attitude to them, then I can only appologise and feel shamefull that you were unfortunate to experience that, however if you were rude, I would say fuck off to where you came from and don't come back.

[FJRider]

Three weeks on each island ... where did you go ... ??? That would be enough time to cover every single sealed road on BOTH islands ... (There are some of us who have done it in a LOT less time)

[Crasherfromwayback]

Three weeks on each island ... where did you go ... ??? That would be enough time to cover every single sealed road on BOTH islands ... (There are some of us who have done it in a LOT less time)

Some of us like to stop and check places out for a few days rather than seeing how many km's we can do in a day.

[FJRider]

Some of us like to stop and check places out for a few days rather than seeing how many km's we can do in a day.

I am just curious as to where those places he "checked out" were ... I'm betting Queenstown features ...

[Crasherfromwayback]

I am just curious as to where those places he "checked out" were ... I'm betting Queenstown features ...

Hahaha...that's not a bet I'm taking on.

[FJRider]

Hahaha...that's not a bet I'm taking on.

Funny that ... :laugh:

I can and do the miles ... but I do the odd (some very odd) tourist trip ... starting late/finishing early ... and enjoy them too. There are few roads in the south island I am not familar with.

Nowdays ... there are just places I want to go to. AND DO. With little time stopped on the way.

[jmmk]

Nowhere in this thread did I say I haven't had a good time. Just some general observations and it's been 90% good. I like to do stuff as well as ride and on nice days after have a drink or 2 outside room and meet and talk and learn about other people and places and have some laughs but most Kiwis and some others you couldn't drag out of their motel rooms with a team of horses.
I went walking and swimming and flew a Gyro copter at Mt. Manganui, flew a stunt plane and skydived Abel Tasman, cave rafting by Westport, swam with dolphins and sea kayaked in Kaikoura, hot pooled at Mauruiya Springs, swam in lakes by Alexandra (my favorite town on south island)and other stuff and have zig zagged across both islands covering about 80% of NZ. Only part I haven't been is SE corner of south island, cut out because too much long straight boring roads. Don't take offence it's just my observations and like I said 90% good.

[5150]

I always thought that SI West coast roads were some of the best NZ has. Except for the occasional tourist in a hire car or campervan doing something totally stupid

[Crasherfromwayback]

Funny that ... :laugh:

I can and do the miles ... but I do the odd (some very odd) tourist trip ... starting late/finishing early ... and enjoy them too. There are few roads in the south island I am not familar with.

Nowdays ... there are just places I want to go to. AND DO. With little time stopped on the way.

Yeah each to their own. On my road trip in the States in '07' I did a bit of both. Did nearly a thousand miles one day...that fucked me though. Had an awesome time, and didn't meet a single person that wasn't 100% cool and friendly. Makes me wonder why Canadians don't seem to like Americans!!!

[FJRider]

Makes me wonder why Canadians don't seem to like Americans!!!

Because THEY think of themselves as "English" ... not Yank ... :weird:

[oneofsix]

. Makes me wonder why Canadians don't seem to like Americans!!!

Could be something to do with the burning down of the White House :Oops::wait: that's why the Americans don't like the Canadians. :o

[DangerMice]

Also many effin bad Kiwi drivers who for some unknown fucking reason like to cut lanes even on blind corners

That's because every kiwi driver is a Formula 1 driver, just straightening out the corner.......

[Stirts]

I like to do stuff as well as ride and on nice days after have a drink or 2 outside room and meet and talk and learn about other people and places and have some laughs but most Kiwis and some others you couldn't drag out of their motel rooms with a team of horses.

I hate horses!


I went walking and swimming and flew a Gyro copter at Mt. Manganui, flew a stunt plane and skydived Abel Tasman, cave rafting by Westport, swam with dolphins and sea kayaked in Kaikoura, hot pooled at Mauruiya Springs, swam in lakes by Alexandra (my favorite town on south island)and other stuff and have zig zagged across both islands covering about 80% of NZ.

We Kiwis take all that shit for granted, don't be hating on us for not wanting to partake in your activities. And I do understand your enthusiasm for doing the "outdoorsy, touristy" shit given where you have come from.

Am I right that from your neck of the woods, the weather reports on a typical summer day, go something along the lines of....
“The weather today: +30 with 3 feet of snow”

And let's not forget the major tourist attraction is West Edmonton Mall and its claim to fame for the world's largest Parking Lot and the world's largest trailer park next door.

"most Edmontonians" aren't losers though aye. :shifty:
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[sinfull]

Seems to me you have done 90% tourist crap locations (in between zig zaggin) and the kiwi's you have met and tried to drag into conversations are in motels ? Hello !! What the hell would they want to talk to you for, the blokes just want to go home and the women just want to shop !!!

[jmmk]

Always amazes me how fast a thread can get out of control. Always easy to pick 1 sentence from a thread and rip away. Pretty fair observations I thought and once again 90% good. Yes I've done and stayed in a few tourist places but have also stayed in cities, big towns, little towns, villages. I'm not into most touristy places but wanted to get some stuff off my bucket list. Many people told me I have to go to Queenstown, went there got to downtown and got the hell outta there as fast as I could. Exactly the kind of place I normally avoid.
I invite anyone to come ride with me for a day and have some eats and drinks and laughs and then tell me it's me.

[Stirts]

I invite anyone to come ride with me for a day and have some eats and drinks and laughs and then tell me it's me.

Sweet, your shout!!!

[FJRider]

I always thought that SI West coast roads were some of the best NZ has. Except for the occasional tourist in a hire car or campervan doing something totally stupid

And if state highway ONE is avoided for most of Canterbury ... all (thats left) of the south island will be good.

[skippa1]

I invite anyone to come ride with me for a day and have some eats and drinks and laughs and then tell me it's me.

Fuck that, you will try to drag me out of my motel with a horse and you seem to have close calls on corners with other tourists on the wrong side of the road. For a fella that tries to avoid the tourist spots you seem to have tripped over every one of them. I will PM you my address, just send me a bottle of burbon and some fish and chip money, I promise I will think of you when I eat em........:laugh:

[Crasherfromwayback]

I invite anyone to come ride with me for a day and have some eats and drinks and laughs and then tell me it's me.

I would do...but you can't handle a wind up too well.

[Maha]

Always amazes me how fast a thread can get out of control. Always easy to pick 1 sentence from a thread and rip away. Pretty fair observations I thought and once again 90% good. Yes I've done and stayed in a few tourist places but have also stayed in cities, big towns, little towns, villages. I'm not into most touristy places but wanted to get some stuff off my bucket list. Many people told me I have to go to Queenstown, went there got to downtown and got the hell outta there as fast as I could. Exactly the kind of place I normally avoid.
I invite anyone to come ride with me for a day and have some eats and drinks and laughs and then tell me it's me.

Can often start a post #2 :niceone:
Queenstown is one place I have no desire to go:no:....now Reefton on the other hand...:eek:

[Jay GTI]

I invite anyone to come ride with me for a day and have some eats and drinks and laughs and then tell me it's me.


I'd probably like you, enjoy your company, have a good time, swap e-mails after, promise to keep in touch (but won't), but it'd would still be you.

I am a Kiwi, after all.

[tigertim20]

Generally reads like a fair summing up but sounds a bit like you have only done the east coast south island roads? I wouldn't have said the west coast ones were straight for miles.
BTW I never considered Nelsonians as the most friendly examples, got to get down the west coast or into the southern areas :bleh:
agree re: roads not ridden. there are some roads down here that are so fucking awesome I frequently have to stop and knock one off mid-ride cos it makes me so horny

Ok 6 weeks in and stuck in motel in Nelson cause of rain storm. I have now spent 3 weeks on each island andI would like to dispel the myth that south is better then north. Did north island first and would hear about 10 times a day how the south island is so much better and friendlier. Absolutely not true. First off both island are just as nice just different and the people aren't any more or less friendly on either island. In fact I have come to find most Kiwis in general very standoffish and almost impossible to get out of their motel rooms to have a drink and a chat, with a few exceptions. The people I have had the most fun with have come from somewhere else i.e Dutch, Brits, Germans, Aussies and even met and had good time with some Finns and Belgians.
I will say that there is obviously less traffic south island and the roads in general are in better condition but by far the more fun motorbike roads are on the north island unless of course you like to sometimes go in a straight line for hours at a time like many areas of the south.
Also many effin bad Kiwi drivers who for some unknown fucking reason like to cut lanes even on blind corners. Lost count how many times this has happened and caused me an off by Raglan as I was going into a 35km blind curve and some punk came the other way doing about 70 halfway in my lane.

Anyways nice country and mostly good rides and heading back north island for duration of trip to ride the more fun biking roads. And my favorite ride so far is hands down the Coromandel Loop.

Let the debate and inevitable bashing begin.

Later
no bashing mate, your experience is your experience.
I will say though, it sounds like youve tried to meet kiwis where youre staying. if kiwis are in a motel, theyre on holiday and wanna be left alone, you wanna meet the locals, not the holidayers. get on rides, and stop everytime there's a pub or a cafe with a few bikes outside and go say hi, and join them for a few KMs, you might find theyre friendlier.

as for kiwi drivers, yeah mate, we are fucking awful our licencing system is a joke.

Enjoy the rest of your stay mate!

[jmmk]

no bashing mate, your experience is your experience.
I will say though, it sounds like youve tried to meet kiwis where youre staying. if kiwis are in a motel, theyre on holiday and wanna be left alone, you wanna meet the locals, not the holidayers. get on rides, and stop everytime there's a pub or a cafe with a few bikes outside and go say hi, and join them for a few KMs, you might find theyre friendlier.

as for kiwi drivers, yeah mate, we are fucking awful our licencing system is a joke.

Enjoy the rest of your stay mate![/QUOTE]

Thanks mate.
But I've done all those things, cafe, pubs, etc. Met a few cool riders and ridden with afew but in general like I said. Ridden with some really good riders and even got passed in the middle of a 45km curve like I was standing still, almost scraping my pegs by a girl. Thought I could ride pretty good but she showed me. Lol Also got passed by 2 guys, I'm doing about 125 and they passed and left me on their back wheels.
And yea you're drivers are bad and I come to find out you don't even have to have insurance if you don't want to, that I absolutely don't get.

[Crasherfromwayback]

And yea you're drivers are bad and I come to find out you don't even have to have insurance if you don't want to, that I absolutely don't get.

Yeah that's fucked up.

[FJRider]

Queenstown is one place I have no desire to go:no:....now Reefton on the other hand...:eek:

Reefton ... the distinct smell of coal smoke in the evening ... is something ... :doh:

well ... something ... :rolleyes:

Reefton ... :no::no::no::no::no:

[Maha]

Reefton ... the distinct smell of coal smoke in the evening ... is something ... :doh:

well ... something ... :rolleyes:

Reefton ... :no::no::no::no::no:

It was either there or Upper Hutt and Reefton seemed more up market...:cool:

[FJRider]

It was either there or Upper Hutt and Reefton seemed more up market...:cool:

Putting it that way ... I now understand ... :yes: :laugh:

[scumdog]

Only part I haven't been is SE corner of south island, cut out because too much long straight boring roads. Don't take offence it's just my observations and like I said 90% good.

Hmm, you're missing out a good bit there - the Catlins, ask anybody that has ever ridden it. (And straight it ain't)

[avgas]

One of my favorite things actually was chilling out in Oamaru for the night.
I was nice to wake in that place early in the morning and have a coffee out by the docks.

[skippa1]

One of my favorite things actually was chilling out in Oamaru for the night.
I was nice to wake in that place early in the morning and have a coffee out by the docks.

+1 on that. good breakfast, good coffee and a hot shower when we got cold n wet at the March Hare.....beauty:niceone:

[GrayWolf]

Mate sorry but if you have had that experience? I would look to yourself, and I dont mean that in a nasty way. Kiwi's are a funny bunch, they appear standoffish to some, they are just sussing you out. Getting in their face? (loud, up front) is the sure way for them to decide your a F**kn whinging Pom etc, and they then treat you accordingly.

[QUOTE=jmmk;1130214746]Ok 6 weeks in and stuck in motel in Nelson cause of rain storm. I have now spent 3 weeks on each island andI would like to dispel the myth that south is better then north. Did north island first and would hear about 10 times a day how the south island is so much better and friendlier. Absolutely not true.
BOLLOX, did you ride the Southern Scenic route? Did you do the Catlins? Central Otago? the ride to Te Anau via riverton, tuatapere? All I can see is you rode the tourist roads. Before you call me a bloody kiwi? I'd accept it as a compliment, I am ENGLISh by birth, KIWI by choice and lived here over 20yrs now. I've ridden both islands east/west coasts and centrally. Down south there is a lot of Scots/Dutch influence, understand that culture and you'll be sweet! I have seen kiwi's welcome complete strangers into their homes to stay, or for a good evenings beer and barbie; just because that's how kiwi's are.

First off both island are just as nice just different and the people aren't any more or less friendly on either island. In fact I have come to find most Kiwis in general very standoffish and almost impossible to get out of their motel rooms to have a drink and a chat, with a few exceptions. The people I have had the most fun with have come from somewhere else i.e Dutch, Brits, Germans, Aussies and even met and had good time with some Finns and Belgians.
I will say that there is obviously less traffic south island and the roads in general are in better condition but by far the more fun motorbike roads are on the north island unless of course you like to sometimes go in a straight line for hours at a time like many areas of the south.
Also many effin bad Kiwi drivers who for some unknown fucking reason like to cut lanes even on blind corners. Lost count how many times this has happened and caused me an off by Raglan as I was going into a 35km blind curve and some punk came the other way doing about 70 halfway in my lane.

No different to France, Italy etc. THe roads here are narrow, treat them as you would an English country lane... just kiwi's are used to them and drive quicker, trust me I would LOVE to re ride some of the old country roads I used to having lived here. But saying that I do agree that not all Kiwi drivers are considerate of other roads users.


Anyways nice country and mostly good rides and heading back north island for duration of trip to ride the more fun biking roads. And my favorite ride so far is hands down the Coromandel Loop.

Let the debate and inevitable bashing begin. <<< YUP whinging POM, fuck off home :laugh:

Later


Nowhere in this thread did I say I haven't had a good time. Just some general observations and it's been 90% good. I like to do stuff as well as ride and on nice days after have a drink or 2 outside room and meet and talk and learn about other people and places and have some laughs but most Kiwis and some others you couldn't drag out of their motel rooms with a team of horses.

JMMK to be honest mate what you have said there is exactly what will make the average Kiwi treat you as just how they did, either a bloody whinger, or, too bloody loud and in your face. Try having a quiet beer and a chat and let the Kiwi's 'make the first move' so to speak. I think you'll have a very different experience.


I went walking and swimming and flew a Gyro copter at Mt. Manganui, flew a stunt plane and skydived Abel Tasman, cave rafting by Westport, swam with dolphins and sea kayaked in Kaikoura, hot pooled at Mauruiya Springs, swam in lakes by Alexandra (my favorite town on south island)and other stuff and have zig zagged across both islands covering about 80% of NZ. Only part I haven't been is SE corner of south island, cut out because too much long straight boring roads. Don't take offence it's just my observations and like I said 90% good

. Really dont know what to answer here, mate I rode Europe, Ireland, UK plenty for 17 yrs then moved here to NZ. Yes Europe has some amazing rides and scenery, but NZ hads it all in one small country. No other country can you be riding in Fiordland and 4 hrs later be riding through countryside similar to Cornwall, then into valley's, mountains, and the plains like Europe, all within hours of each other without using Autobahns and Motorways. I dont know what your expectation was or is of NZ, almost seems to me that you have an expectation to be entertained and amused and if not? it's a shit holiday. Well it would be, coz kiwi's dun work like that.
I have never been back and have no inclination to go back (UK)...... But I would absolutely disagree with your summation of New Zealanders as a people, and I would as a Motorcyclist tell anyone NZ is GODZONE for riding, especialy the roads down south.

[jmmk]

Mate sorry but if you have had that experience? I would look to yourself, and I dont mean that in a nasty way. Kiwi's are a funny bunch, they appear standoffish to some, they are just sussing you out. Getting in their face? (loud, up front) is the sure way for them to decide your a F**kn whinging Pom etc, and they then treat you accordingly.

What a wanker you are dude. What part of 90% good did you not understand? General observations and the cool Kiwis I did meet 100% agreed with me. If you ever run into Hawkeye ask him about me and see if I'm not fun and easy to get along with. Good lord I'm going to miss NZ but not some of your drivers and not some of you.

[Crasherfromwayback]

What a wanker you are dude. What part of 90% good did you not understand? General observations and the cool Kiwis I did meet 100% agreed with me. If you ever run into Hawkeye ask him about me and see if I'm not fun and easy to get along with. Good lord I'm going to miss NZ but not some of your drivers and not some of you.

Having now met jmmk I can now say he's actually a=ok for a Moose Rooter!

I'll even try and take money of him next time he comes to NZ.

[merv]

Having now met jmmk I can now say he's actually a=ok for a Moose Rooter!

I'll even try and take money of him next time he comes to NZ.

Nice one Pete.

I thought this was a funny thread, jmmk sounds OK yet he gets attacked so much for saying things most of us probably think anyway.

The driving is one good example, I cringe every time I'm on the road following and watching the bad drivers that can't hold a lane and are all over the place. Highway 58 Paremata to Pauatahanui is a classic for this. What is with crossing no passing lines and the like? Generally it is the slower drivers too, continually dabbing their brakes and swerving all over the lines, not the F1 racers straightening the curve. Mrs merv says to me it is probably the people that were no good at colouring in as kids and can't stay inside the lines.

As for Hawkeye, good on ya mate for looking after jmmk.

[yod]

a Moose Rooter!


jeebus :eek5:



that's keen

[Hawkeye]

It's been a pleasure having Jeff stay with me. He used my place as a base when he first arrived, when he came down from doing the North and then when he came back from the South. Today, he left to go the Aus. As Pete has said he is a-ok and has a wicked sense of humor.
And he can ride. He thoroughly enjoyed his stay in NZ and knows he will be welcome to stay at my place should he come back to NZ.
In typical KB fashion, he was flamed for pointing out (as Merv has already said) his personal views of the 10% he did not enjoy about NZ.
FFS +90% isn't a bad recommendation.

[GrayWolf]

What a wanker you are dude. What part of 90% good did you not understand? General observations and the cool Kiwis I did meet 100% agreed with me. If you ever run into Hawkeye ask him about me and see if I'm not fun and easy to get along with. Good lord I'm going to miss NZ but not some of your drivers and not some of you.

Yup I'm a WANKER, so get over it Ivor Biggun.... if the Holiday was 90% good? Then if your post had been 90% positive instead of a 'footnote it was 90% OK, reaction may have been different. And if you read between the lines there was allso a bit of dry humour in it.
BTW I know Hawkeye, He's one of the few riders I trust in group situation. Even if the bugger used to follow me and, QUOTE: "if his lights dont go on, I know I dont need to brake, if they do go on? It's a sharp one coming up, if he falls off? I need to brake! :2thumbsup:

[TrentNz]

NZ needs to tell those Somalians to fuck off. they come here, take their 20g the govt gives them, take their free govt housing and breed like flies in the flats and get money from the govt they get to look after their kids...

[Hawkeye]

BTW I know Hawkeye, He's one of the few riders I trust in group situation. Even if the bugger used to follow me and, QUOTE: "if his lights dont go on, I know I dont need to brake, if they do go on? It's a sharp one coming up, if he falls off? I need to brake! :2thumbsup:

LOL!!! Ain't seen you for a while. Where you been hiding?

[avgas]

NZ needs to tell those Somalians to fuck off. they come here, take their 20g the govt gives them, take their free govt housing and breed like flies in the flats and get money from the govt they get to look after their kids...
Having dealt with Somalians. And a person who tries to help everyone.....
I actually agree with your statement.....

Which is sad when I think about it.

[GrayWolf]

LOL!!! Ain't seen you for a while. Where you been hiding?

Working shifts now mate, can start at 3am or be working till 1am, just havent been able to go on the rides, tilll last week.