Ride like this and you shouldn't live long

[Maha]

@ 1:38 onwards..this guy is a real danger, not only to himself but others around him.
His comments after stopping are astounding to say the least.
The worst lines I have ever seen.
His attitude (at the end) along with his riding skills, also needs attention.

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[Edbear]

Nice piece of road, spoiled by an idiot. Can't believe anyone would accuse him of riding like a twat and putting other's lives in danger, how do they come to that conclusion..? :laugh:

[misterO]

Crap riding from an overconfident pinhead, although he did manage to catch up to the fastest rider who was, um, stationary at the time.

[sil3nt]

The guy is a knob. Had a cry when Charley Boorman (long way round dude) gave his numberplates to the taiwan police.

For some reason he has quite a few supporters.

[nodrog]

Is that a bunch of Aucklanders on a Coro Loop?

At least they made it to some corners, and didnt crash on the straights beforehand :scooter:

[Maha]

The road surface seems ok in most parts but that single file riding gives you no room for error.

[raftn]

The scary bit....he actually thinks he is good!:facepalm: His mate complimented him on his riding.:facepalm:

[caspernz]

Mmmmm, with clowns like this.....no wonder Joe Public thinks bikers don't deserve much respect:facepalm:

[PrincessBandit]

Pretty tame fare for what we usually see on here. Nevertheless it just continues to prove that motorbike riding knobheads exist in every nationality in every country.

[EJK]

I wish he can teach me how to ride :yes:

[Ragingrob]

Hahaha "I locked up the front or the rear, not sure which"

[BigAl]

Going by Asian driving/riding ability he's probably a national racing champ!

[scumdog]

Pretty tame fare for what we usually see on here.

Yup.

Seen way worse right here in Godzone:yes:

[MyGSXF]

Yup.

Seen way worse right here in Godzone:yes:

Yup.. they're out there :facepalm:

[riffer]

He's not very smooth is he?

[ducatilover]

I wish I was that awesome!

[scumdog]

I wish I was that awesome!

Me too, they make my riding look like crap.








(Err, ahem, it IS crap...:shutup:)

[been_there]

I see he also has tips for new riders... :brick:
Love to ride that road...

[sgtp]

ah, that guy. Ive killed many hours watching his vids (long before I got my 6l) only because the roads are sweet (forget if its thailand or Malaysia) and some of his commentary is entertaining. Funny how he has to skip over his rant about my homeland, though. He is some canadien dude that has been living there for the past 10 years. He now does scooter/motorbike tours there....

[george formby]

Yup.

Seen way worse right here in Godzone:yes:

At least as bad & sadly on a regular basis. The magnetic centre line syndrome.

[george formby]

Do you think that kind of riding comes from someone who thinks they are taking a "racing" line & going faster but have never actually been on a track or bothered to read about it? Or just plain dumb..

[Maha]

Do you think that kind of riding comes from someone who thinks they are taking a "racing" line & going faster but have never actually been on a track or bothered to read about it? Or just plain dumb..

...who thinks they are taking the racing line but...going way to slow to take any kind of considered line.

[ducatilover]

...who thinks they are taking the racing line but...going way to slow to take any kind of considered line.
Don't you do slow lines? I find it's nicer on my nose.

[5150]

What a muppet....:tugger:

[Haggis2]

I like that bit around 3 minutes where he almost has a head on with a car when running wide :sweatdrop

[EJK]

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10 charafffffuuuuuuuucter

[haydes55]

I always take racing lines on corners, but only to an extent. If turning left I will get close to the edge of the road, maybe 30cm away from white line (especially in the wet). When turning right I will only go close to centre line if I can see the entire corner and some road after the corner otherwise I stay away so my leaning means my head wont be over the line. I'm a fan of the slow in fast out method with late turn in, nearing an apex in the second half of the corner (on longer corners there may be several apexes). Seems a safer way to ride, not turning as sharp, smoother lines and slow in means theres allowable margins for errors (the road surface is inadequate :facepalm:).

hugging the inside line makes the corner sharper and you go slower while pushing your bike harder. Thought racing lines would be common sense to anyone whose driven a cage on the road or ridden a motorbike for more that 200m of a road with lots of corners. (Or not sure if my copious hours of playing racing games and watching racing on TV helped, racing speedway for 8 years might of helped aswell).

Racing lines don't take a rocket scientist, just stay in your lane on blind corners.

[saul]

Who gives a fuck

[ducatilover]

I always take racing lines on corners, but only to an extent.
So you don't always take racing lines?

[unstuck]

Cant wait for the vid that comes out that shows this muppet riding under a bus or truck.:2thumbsup

[haydes55]

So you don't always take racing lines?

I do but instead of going to the very edge of the road and right to the centre line, I hang back a bit. So basically make the road I use a bit smaller than the width of the road.

[Milts]

Yeah, he's such a bad rider he probably has weeks to live.... :rolleyes:
I mean he's only been making these videos since 2005 in one of the most dangerous countries for motorcyclists, on both Youtube and Livevideo. Maybe it was an off day, or maybe riding poorly isn't always the instant death sentence some think it is?

[ducatilover]

I do but instead of going to the very edge of the road and right to the centre line, I hang back a bit. So basically make the road I use a bit smaller than the width of the road.

Then it's not a race line, but a sensible road line.
Nothing wrong with that either, keep it rubber side down bro.

[actungbaby]

I am sorry i feel asleep half way trough then fast forwarding made me feel sick boring whats so dangerous
Oh yeah i nearly fell in my weetbix bowl watching it seemed to be following at safe distance riders in front
seem to be doing safe speed except when hit x10 on the video button make anyone look fast
Though dam anoying to watch
am sorry unless fire and xplosions i loose intrest after 2 mins maybe had hice lady on the back then be better

doing wheelie with swinsuit on cbr 900 just of for skiny dip at the palmerston north logon not !!!!




@ 1:38 onwards..this guy is a real danger, not only to himself but others around him.
His comments after stopping are astounding to say the least.
The worst lines I have ever seen.
His attitude (at the end) along with his riding skills, also needs attention.

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[actungbaby]

cant be am clumsy ham fisted rider and driver big feet jamed in myl ittle car
ditto big guy little bikes still here doesint look pretty my style but its effective wobbles and all
I triped over my cleaning bucket thats more dangerous at work than out the road hehe
watch out i sit on you...do few hand stands spin on my pudding basin helmet:shit:


Yeah, he's such a bad rider he probably has weeks to live.... :rolleyes:
I mean he's only been making these videos since 2005 in one of the most dangerous countries for motorcyclists, on both Youtube and Livevideo. Maybe it was an off day, or maybe riding poorly isn't always the instant death sentence some think it is?

[carver]

he aint too bad

[scumdog]

cant be am clumsy ham fisted rider and driver big feet jamed in myl ittle car
ditto big guy little bikes still here doesint look pretty my style but its effective wobbles and all
I triped over my cleaning bucket thats more dangerous at work than out the road hehe
watch out i sit on you...do few hand stands spin on my pudding basin helmet:shit:

Does anybody else find the above hard to read/understand??:blink:

[Madness]

Does anybody else find the above hard to read/understand??:blink:

That's how Patrick rolls. He's from Palmerston North :niceone:

[otter]

I always take racing lines on corners, but only to an extent. If turning left I will get close to the edge of the road, maybe 30cm away from white line (especially in the wet). When turning right I will only go close to centre line if I can see the entire corner and some road after the corner otherwise I stay away so my leaning means my head wont be over the line. I'm a fan of the slow in fast out method with late turn in, nearing an apex in the second half of the corner (on longer corners there may be several apexes). Seems a safer way to ride, not turning as sharp, smoother lines and slow in means theres allowable margins for errors (the road surface is inadequate :facepalm:).


I'm not 100%, but that doesn't sound like a racing line. It sounds more like a qualifying line, which is faster overall, but provides the opportunity for others to pass you on the inside. A racing line is somewhere in between early apex (undertaking) and late apex (qualifying) and is supposed to be a trade off of speed and trying to keep the track tighter for the other riders.

[otter]

At one point I spend a few hours watching M13's videos, more for the commentary than the riding.

My jaw dropped when he was trying to decide if his front or rear tire was bouncing into the corner, never mind the shitty lines.

[jesska]

OUCH!!!!

I jumped off my chair when I saw that!

what kind of idiot overtakes on a blind corner like that.

feel real bad for the person coming the other way!

[TrentNz]

OUCH!!!!

I jumped off my chair when I saw that!

what kind of idiot overtakes on a blind corner like that.

feel real bad for the person coming the other way!

Dontcha know all the best riders overtake into blind corners :niceone:

[jrandom]

@ 1:38 onwards..this guy is a real danger, not only to himself but others around him.

I'm sorry, I watched the whole video, and apart from him cutting a few corners, what was the problem, exactly? He was just pootling. Heaps of elbow room and time to react. On some sort of scooter or Scorpio-like machine by the looks of it. Bit sloppy perhaps, but he didn't lose the plot at any stage.

I had the audio off, was there something terrible in the soundtrack that I missed?

[Katman]

I had the audio off, was there something terrible in the soundtrack that I missed?

Only his 'Merkin drone.

[Drew]

I'm not 100%, but that doesn't sound like a racing line. It sounds more like a qualifying line, which is faster overall, but provides the opportunity for others to pass you on the inside. A racing line is somewhere in between early apex (undertaking) and late apex (qualifying) and is supposed to be a trade off of speed and trying to keep the track tighter for the other riders.

Dunno about that.

There's only a need to be defensive if someone is threatening to pass. A pit board will warn that someone is catching you up, and you can take what you call a "qualifying line" even harder to keep them from doing it.

Guy was no Troy Corser, but he didn't seem to be riding like he thought he was either.

Don't see what the fuss is about.

[Tony W]

@ 1:38 onwards..this guy is a real danger, not only to himself but others around him.
His comments after stopping are astounding to say the least.
The worst lines I have ever seen.
His attitude (at the end) along with his riding skills, also needs attention.

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I could see nothing overtly dangerous in the clip.
Obviously everyone's riding perception is different.
I saw no blind corner overtake, he had ample time in all his manoeuvres.
Filming from helmet cam probably exacerbates his perceived road position on LH bends.
He wasn't even riding fast even like....

Only lesser skilled riders, with over-sensitivity to perceived dangers would think that riding was shameful.


BTW
What do you people think about crossing the centre-line when straightening out a series of corners ?

[jrandom]

What do you people think about crossing the centre-line when straightening out a series of corners ?

Every time you do it, God kills a puppy.

[puddytat]

Interesting how different folk see things differently......I thought they rode crap lines everywhere,crossed lines when they didnt need to & rode like pooftas...if i came across them id get past them as fast as I could & leave them to it. Dodgey as.

[Tony W]

Every time you do it, God kills a puppy.


GOOD
I hate effin dogs :yes:

Does it create more pussies then ?

[Tony W]

..if i came across them id get past them as fast as I could & leave them to it.

Exactly....and it would not be difficult.

[jrandom]

Interesting how different folk see things differently......I thought they rode crap lines everywhere,crossed lines when they didnt need to & rode like pooftas...

zomg

BURN THEM

[Tony W]

I vote this thread to PD, as the riding depicted in this 'so NOT dangerous'


Has the Nana Brigade, got no sense of humour.......

....can you not just chuckle at the ineptitude, instead of regarding every perceived infraction as life-ending ???

[puddytat]

I dont see it as dangerous, just not good.

[jesska]

i was talking about the video with the head on collision!

( some one edited my post?! - and removed the video... )

couldnt watch the other video - toooo long :yawn:

[Zedder]

I vote this thread to PD, as the riding depicted in this 'so NOT dangerous'


Has the Nana Brigade, got no sense of humour.......

....can you not just chuckle at the ineptitude, instead of regarding every perceived infraction as life-ending ???

By the "Nana Brigade" commenting on this riding style, someone may "get the message" and realise it's not the way to do it. It may actually help someone. You know, bikers helping other bikers.....

[jrandom]

By the "Nana Brigade" commenting on this riding style, someone may "get the message" and realise it's not the way to do it.

What exactly is not the way to do what?

[Zedder]

What exactly is not the way to do what?

Have you not been reading the posts???

[jrandom]

Have you not been reading the posts???

Have you not watched the video?

[avgas]

Is that a bunch of Aucklanders on a Coro Loop?

At least they made it to some corners, and didnt crash on the straights beforehand :scooter:

Nah its the bayride 'cruisers' off getting some more small boys ;)

[Zedder]

Have you not watched the video?

Of course, this is Kiwi Biker and so the fun begins. Your turn now.

[jrandom]

Of course, this is Kiwi Biker and so the fun begins. Your turn now.

No no, I'm not trolling or taking the piss, I'd genuinely like to know where in the video you think something terrible happens.

Obviously I didn't see anything worth commenting on, so we have different opinions on what constitutes dangerous (or whatever) riding.

[Zedder]

No no, I'm not trolling or taking the piss, I'd genuinely like to know where in the video you think something terrible happens.

Obviously I didn't see anything worth commenting on, so we have different opinions on what constitutes dangerous (or whatever) riding.

I never said anything terrible happens but the first page of posts (up 'til caspernz) sets the general theme. Also, puddytat's initial post sums it up well.

Listen to the audio next time.

[jrandom]

I never said anything terrible happens

So, in other words, I'm right - there's nothing to be concerned about.


Listen to the audio next time.

Can you tell me what was on the soundtrack that was cause for concern, then?

[Drew]

There seems to be no one pointing out anything overly wrong with the riding, since others have said it doesn't look that bad.

The comments on the lines taken seem moot to me. Since the camera is head mounted it's hard for me to pick where the bike really is reletive to the road.

[Zedder]

So, in other words, I'm right - there's nothing to be concerned about.



Can you tell me what was on the soundtrack that was cause for concern, then?

Did you actually read the posts and understand the comments? So, slowly this time: Read the posts I wrote about earlier plus listen to the audio and compare the comments to what was happening. Not taking the piss? I don't think so.

[misterO]

At 1.51 the rear wheel locks up and chatters (probably from downshifting a gear too low on his L twin) and he says he doesn't know if it came from the front or rear. Now that's just silly. My real gripe comes at 3.10 when he cuts the corner on a blind curve, on a busy road he claims to know well, and he meets an oncoming van. What a dick. I'm sure the van driver got a scare and this breaks one of my personal rules: don't frighten the civilians. When one of us annoys or alarms the citizenry- it has the potential to bring the heat down on all of us. Complaints are made. Police enforcement appears. Restrictive laws are created. Public sympathy for our sport diminishes. Anyone who rides that way and thinks it's cool won't be tagging along with me. Most importantly, though: the music he plays should be illegal.

[jrandom]

I don't have any points to make.

I shall now dismiss you as irrelevant.

[jrandom]

At 1.51 the rear wheel locks up and chatters (probably from downshifting a gear too low on his L twin) and he says he doesn't know if it came from the front or rear. Now that's just silly. My real gripe comes at 3.10 when he cuts the corner on a blind curve, on a busy road he claims to know well, and he meets an oncoming van. What a dick.

That's more like it! Zedder - this is the sort of commentary I was asking for.

[Drew]

I shall now dismiss you as irrelevant.
The implication there, is that you are yourself, relevant.

There are many who would disagree I think.

[Zedder]

That's more like it! Zedder - this is the sort of commentary I was asking for.

What's the matter? Did I spoil your little power game?

[jrandom]

There are many who would disagree I think.

Ah, but they are irrelevant.

:sunny:

She's a hard road being the center of the universe, but I seem to manage to keep it turning on schedule.

[Zedder]

Ah, but they are irrelevant.

:sunny:

She's a hard road being the center of the universe, but I seem to manage to keep it turning on schedule.

This only confirms what I thought about you.

[jrandom]

This only confirms what I thought about you.

*takes a bow*

[Zedder]

*takes a bow*

What? You're proud of being like that? Really sad.....

[jrandom]

What? You're proud of being like that? Really sad.....

Like I said, she's a hard road, but I make it work.

[Tony W]

Basically, there is no real danger in the clip.

What is overwhelmingly noticeable is...the JOY the riders are experiencing riding their machines !

THIS surely is what biking is all about.

....or is it, as some people believe, a pastime to be continually 'ANAL'ysed and criticised for its many apparent dangers ?

[GrayWolf]

Basically, there is no real danger in the clip.

What is overwhelmingly noticeable is...the JOY the riders are experiencing riding their machines !

THIS surely is what biking is all about.

....or is it, as some people believe, a pastime to be continually 'ANAL'ysed and criticised for its many apparent dangers ?

Well as you are so hot on ANALysing the way some KB mentors have 'trained' newbie's and expounded on it, I am amazed you cannot see the obvious 'poor judgement's' made by the rider, as well as the bad LINES round corners, and bad practices.
example about 1.45 when he overtakes the 3 bikes leading into the right hand bend.... oncoming car that was OUT OF VIEW as he began overtaking, he relied on the 3 bikes to not alter speed or road position, then effectively had to negotiate the corner with no real 'setting up' of the line as he had to swoop back into his own lane to avoid said car.
Then at 1;50 he is over the double lines approaching a blind left hander that could as easily had a fast vehicle approaching, giving him little time to adjust his own position and 'attack' for the corner. That besides the too hard braking he was already doing from going in too hot.
2:05 he is hugging the kerb, not out towards the centre to get a better view of the apex, traffic, road conditions ahead.
Same type of incorrect LINE through to 2;25mins 2:35 enters a tight bend following the inner curve rather than going out wide and apexing the bend correctly
3:10 after taking off like a loon,totally screws the corner, the goes inside the 'shoulder' on the inside of a bend instead of following the 'outer' line for better vision and straightening out the bend
3:40 goes wayyyy to close to the wall, again following a tight circle instead of 'apexing' the bend

[Tony W]

Well as you are so hot on ANALysing the way some KB mentors have 'trained' newbie's and expounded on it, I am amazed you cannot see the obvious 'poor judgement's' made by the rider, as well as the bad LINES round corners, and bad practices.
example about 1.45 when he overtakes the 3 bikes leading into the right hand bend.... oncoming car that was OUT OF VIEW as he began overtaking, he relied on the 3 bikes to not alter speed or road position, then effectively had to negotiate the corner with no real 'setting up' of the line as he had to swoop back into his own lane to avoid said car.
Then at 1;50 he is over the double lines approaching a blind left hander that could as easily had a fast vehicle approaching, giving him little time to adjust his own position and 'attack' for the corner. That besides the too hard braking he was already doing from going in too hot.
2:05 he is hugging the kerb, not out towards the centre to get a better view of the apex, traffic, road conditions ahead.
Same type of incorrect LINE through to 2;25mins 2:35 enters a tight bend following the inner curve rather than going out wide and apexing the bend correctly
3:10 after taking off like a loon,totally screws the corner, the goes inside the 'shoulder' on the inside of a bend instead of following the 'outer' line for better vision and straightening out the bend
3:40 goes wayyyy to close to the wall, again following a tight circle instead of 'apexing' the bend



It's not a racetrack.
LINES are not relevant.
No one was hurt in the making of this video.
They had FUN.
....do you know what that is....

[Drew]

Well as you are so hot on ANALysing the way some KB mentors have 'trained' newbie's and expounded on it, I am amazed you cannot see the obvious 'poor judgement's' made by the rider, as well as the bad LINES round corners, and bad practices.
example about 1.45 when he overtakes the 3 bikes leading into the right hand bend.... oncoming car that was OUT OF VIEW as he began overtaking, he relied on the 3 bikes to not alter speed or road position, then effectively had to negotiate the corner with no real 'setting up' of the line as he had to swoop back into his own lane to avoid said car.
Then at 1;50 he is over the double lines approaching a blind left hander that could as easily had a fast vehicle approaching, giving him little time to adjust his own position and 'attack' for the corner. That besides the too hard braking he was already doing from going in too hot.
2:05 he is hugging the kerb, not out towards the centre to get a better view of the apex, traffic, road conditions ahead.
Same type of incorrect LINE through to 2;25mins 2:35 enters a tight bend following the inner curve rather than going out wide and apexing the bend correctly
3:10 after taking off like a loon,totally screws the corner, the goes inside the 'shoulder' on the inside of a bend instead of following the 'outer' line for better vision and straightening out the bend
3:40 goes wayyyy to close to the wall, again following a tight circle instead of 'apexing' the bendWow, you got a lot of holes to pick in the lines he was taking, when you can't even see the wheels or where they are on the road.

Tell me too, how does one "apex" a corner they aren't familiar with?

The rider is no Rossi as I've said earlier, but he isn't riding hard, and from what I could see there was always plenty of time and room to make corrections for him.

What is a serious danger, is the number of people on here who seem to think they have all the answers. It is not a huge leap to think that those same are going out on the roads THINKING they are safe. From the comments made it's clear that most of them don't have a clue and are inviting serious fuck ups.

[Tony.OK]

Wow, you got a lot of holes to pick in the lines he was taking, when you can't even see the wheels or where they are on the road.

Tell me too, how does one "apex" a corner they aren't familiar with?

The rider is no Rossi as I've said earlier, but he isn't riding hard, and from what I could see there was always plenty of time and room to make corrections for him.

What is a serious danger, is the number of people on here who seem to think they have all the answers. It is not a huge leap to think that those same are going out on the roads THINKING they are safe. From the comments made it's clear that most of them don't have a clue and are inviting serious fuck ups.

Did he have a hi vis jacket on? :innocent:

Shit I just watched it and thought "what an awesome peice of road". Looked racetrack smooth and couldn't help but think it just deserved to be carved up properly hahaa.
I'm picking there isn't a video online that someone doesn't think there is bad riding on...........sometimes here it really feels the same as when the god botherer's knock on the door and tell me I'm not living life right. :innocent:

[GrayWolf]

Wow, you got a lot of holes to pick in the lines he was taking, when you can't even see the wheels or where they are on the road.
Agreed Drew, but you can get a fair idea by looking at the camera position in relation to him/bike when he is stationary, or riding in a straight line...
Tell me too, how does one "apex" a corner they aren't familiar with?
As before, reference the Police Roadcraft Manual... staying 'out wide' untill the apex opens up vision, then cut in, in effect making the corner longer and straighter... How else does anyone ride an piece of road? And if you remember the film maker said he has ridden the road before.
The rider is no Rossi as I've said earlier, but he isn't riding hard, and from what I could see there was always plenty of time and room to make corrections for him.
I wont dispute that, but as I pointed out, there were instances where he left himself 'wide open' to erratic behavior from oncoming trafiic...

What is a serious danger, is the number of people on here who seem to think they have all the answers. It is not a huge leap to think that those same are going out on the roads THINKING they are safe. From the comments made it's clear that most of them don't have a clue and are inviting serious fuck ups.

As for the above?? Back at ya!!! I dont give a rats arsehole if you can ride rings round me, on the back wheel, whistling the star spangled banner.
You also seem to thing you are the canines testicles, and I would match you as being 'equally' dangerous!!

[Drew]

As for the above?? Back at ya!!! I dont give a rats arsehole if you can ride rings round me, on the back wheel, whistling the star spangled banner.
You also seem to thing you are the canines testicles, and I would match you as being 'equally' dangerous!!I don't think I'm the dog's bollux, and as for riding rings around ya, how would I know?

I don't doubt that people think I'm a hazard on the road, funny how no one I ride with agree though. And before you say that they probably ride like arseholes too, you'd need to have seen me ride to comment.