STILL A LOSER RIDER (Pointless Rant) [Archive]

justsomeguy

20th July 2005, 13:52

Warning - mad crazy pointless rant:mad:

I got my Learner license on the 20th of Jan and was determined to get my restricted EXACTLY 6 months later.....

So two months earlier I went in to the bloody Absolute Arsehole's (AA) office and booked myself in for late this morning.

Got a bit delayed so made a bit of an effort to ride there on time, which I managed with 5 minutes to spare...... Oh well....... bloody testing officer was running late.... so at 11 effing 35 we start -

Turns out that the bitch forgot to charge her Walkie Talkie/ Radio/ whateverthefuckitscalled batteries......So I was gonna have to rely looking in my mirrors to judge which way to go....

The test starts off really well although it's a bitch trying to see the indicators on her silver subaru shinning in todays rotten sun......anyway I've managed to do all that she asked and the roads were empty and dry and the conditions great.

So we go along take a few turns and after 10 mins she takes an abrupt turn.. what the :spudwhat: - so I turn around and catch up to her - turns out she's gone back to the station......

Then gives me a bit of a bloody debrief asking me how long I've been riding, whether I've done any track days, etc....

Get this she says I'm too confident.... :weird: ......WTF ??? Then says I didn't stop at a stop sign?? Huh??? I damn well did, I even put my leg down and sort of walked the bike on one leg the last 3-4 meters doing about 1kmph...... well get this she said she could still notice a bit of movement in my back tyre......:angry2:

So yeah FAILED my restricted cos I'm too confident and failed to stop at a stop sign:wait:

Thought of re-booking but my great luck - the que was absolutely horrendous - bloody kiddy holidays and all.......

Anyway managed to get to the AA Quay street office in about 10 mins. Was a bit pissed off and :weird: and lanesplit through ridiculously small gaps, ended up breaking the plastic mirror surround of a van I passed.....:brick: ...... didn't really bother stopping though......

Anyway got to the bloody AA office and had to wait at the desk for 15 mins until the bloody Quay St pencil pushers could contact the Penrose pencil pushers and get my test results as they hadn't yet been entered into the system:spudgrr:....... and managed to book myself in on Sat afternoon....another $50 that I'm gonna have to sacrife from somewhere else.....(hate being bloody broke)......

.........so I'm gonna have to miss part of the 250 ride :< or just complete it a bit quicker......

Even more pissed that I have a bald back tyre and can't do a lap of Cheenic Dwive:love: and get rid of some of this stress....

Oh yeah and I'm gonna have to find another 160-180 for another bloody tyre.....

END of RANT and venting session.......

crashe

20th July 2005, 13:57

Slingshot

20th July 2005, 13:58

That sux arse!

Testing officers are dickheads on power trips!!!

R6_kid

20th July 2005, 14:01

placidfemme

20th July 2005, 14:02

justsomeguy

20th July 2005, 14:04

Ummmmm she left you in the streets without telling you... :weird:

Ummm get hold of her boss right now and flaming complain...
and tell them what happened out there...

That aint good enough...

Maybe the BOSS can be talked into letting you pass after all.

Oh my sweet little lady.......You're a perfect mate Crashe - thanks for that....

No point in arguing with those bastards.... the failure to stop at a stop sign is a classic, can't believe I fell for this......

Anyway I left the place and went straight to Quay St(faster than waiting in the que) and got myself in at Henderson (only place available) on Saturday......

And I hate dealing with these admin type of people who live by the rules of their 18th century books and wont be realistic or pragmatic....so I'd rather give them the extra 50 for the retest and be done with it.....

pritch

20th July 2005, 14:05

Testing officers are dickheads on power trips!!!

That certainly seemed to be the case here. There were continual complaints about the local tester primarily from the senior citizenry. Eventually, I understand, his contract was not renewed.

justsomeguy

20th July 2005, 14:09

YEp call them and COMPLAIN. I certainly would...

I can't be bothered.... it becomes the classic me - a youngish looking boy racer type vs them a-holes proper nice god fearing people.

I had a real argument once with them when I sat my car restricted there just under 3 years ago - they wanted printed forms of my address and wouldn't accept the stamped carbon copies of my car rego details (the ones you get as a reciept for paying your rego)...... despite me having the same address as last time and they could easily match the address on the LTSA forms against the ones against my records on the screen:mad:

So they're real sticklers... I just will have to ride like a complete riding geek on Sat and pass the bloody test.

justsomeguy

20th July 2005, 14:14

sounds like shes a stupid fucking bitch. When i did it there was no way of communicating so he just told me where to go and where to stop to talk to him. He told me off for doing exactly 50 in a 50kmh zone and said to slow down to 40 :weird:

passed tho...

fuck em, fuck em all. They just want our money the bloody blighters :mad:

I got told off as she couldn't keep up with me at one time...... tried to say I was speeding......I said straight to her face in a rather direct tone that I was under 50 the whole time...I was too, I made a huge effort to stay between 48 to 52 the whole time... came back with a retort saying I may have to get my speedo calibrated or something...... yeah right:whistle:

SPORK

20th July 2005, 14:21

Don't worry, Alarumba did didn't pass too. Check out his thread.

Best of luck for next time.

soundbeltfarm

20th July 2005, 14:22

That certainly seemed to be the case here. There were continual complaints about the local tester primarily from the senior citizenry. Eventually, I understand, his contract was not renewed.

i had that guy when i finally done my full.
he was a total cocksucker.
told me at a roundabout to pull right over to the left.
i said fuck off mate some car will come on my right side and cut me off.
his answer was theres more cars on the road than bikes so they should get the right of way.
i passed but straight away i lay a complaint .

Slingshot

20th July 2005, 14:24

It would be interesting to set-up a discrete video camera to capture the moment, it could record speed and indication and you'd be able to see road signs etc. Then if they failed you, replay the footage.

Also...John Campbell might be interested in the footage, cause he's got nothing else to report on.

justsomeguy

20th July 2005, 14:26

Motoracer

20th July 2005, 14:27

Sorry to hear mate... That sounds pretty stupid I'd say. Better luck for your next test!

crashe

20th July 2005, 14:30

Complain mate, or else this person will continue to fail all other bike riders that go to that AA centre.

This person may hate m/bikes....

So go and complain... thats the only way the BOSSes find out if things are not being done right by these people.

MSTRS

20th July 2005, 14:31

Tell them that "Under the Official Information Act, you are requesting the residential address of the testes in question" Then go and crap on his/her doorstep.

ManDownUnder

20th July 2005, 14:32

Ummmmm she left you in the streets without telling you... :weird:

Ummm get hold of her boss right now and flaming complain...
and tell them what happened out there...

That aint good enough...

Maybe the BOSS can be talked into letting you pass after all.

Yeah I wouldn't expect a pass from the Boss (not having been there during the test they wouldn't be able to surely) but I would be asking for a refund. They didn't front up prepared for the test (walkie talky) etc, and I'd request a full explanation of the "too confident" thing too.

MDU

mikey

20th July 2005, 14:32

ManDownUnder

20th July 2005, 14:33

Tell them that "Under the Official Information Act, you are requesting the residential address of the testes in question" Then go and crap on his/her doorstep.

You're asking for the address of testicles?

...or the tester (in which case even the official info act wont give that to you).
MDU

bugjuice

20th July 2005, 14:33

do you not think you're over reacting a little? If you didn't conform to the law, then why should you pass? Not having a go here, just saying she must have had good reason not to pass you. May be you should brush up a bit for next time, and just keep your cool. A stop sign means just that. Make the point of stopping and putting both feet down before you move off. Exaggerate everything. Things like while you know you're checking your blind spot (hope you are) with a quick glance, the officer probably isn't going to see that. But by the same token, don't over do it by turning round, cos that just isn't funny (to us it would be tho). They have a job to do many times over. Cut them a little slack now and again. You (well not always you, but others) moan and bitch when they're cut up on the roads by a bad driver, well these guys are trying to keep the standards up of new drivers, by not letting any old Joe Bloggs pass who's half blind and half a brain to keep the eye company. Just look at the whole picture. Just saying.

But, that's a huge no-no for leaving you like that. She should have pulled over, or got your attention and pulled you over to say why, then say what happens next. To just leave you like that is irresponsible. She should be noted on that to her superior.

Also, when I did my R and full, both times, the instructor gave me a set of directions to follow. When I got to the end of that set of instructions, I pulled over and waited for him to come to me, and give me the next set. Why could you have not done that? A couple of times, I forgot which way to go, the officer just indicated in advance, and I follow that way. Even at the end, when he decided a different way back, I was in front all along, and he was fine about it.. I thought that was always the case.

MSTRS

20th July 2005, 14:39

You're asking for the address of testicles?

...or the tester (in which case even the official info act wont give that to you).
MDU
Not a Sp moment. I mean the tester sounded like utter bollocks. And it would be good to give some of her shit back.
Do you have to take everything I say so literally & remove the humourous intent?

vifferman

20th July 2005, 14:40

Complain mate, or else this person will continue to fail all other bike riders that go to that AA centre.
Dunno if it will do any good; I think the testers are basically gods.

When #2 son did his restricted car test at Quay St, he got some real Nazi guy who was extra picky (I sat in on the 'debriefing'), and failed him for some things that were bullshit. So, we booked elsewhere (Wairau Park), and some fwit drove into the back of the car just before we got there. Dave was too shaken to do the test, so the tester arranged for a refund and rebooking (excellent chap!) Next time, we get almost there, and the car smells funny, so I tell Dave to pull over. Split radiator hose. :doh:
Fortunately, we'd allowed lots of time, so we popped into Repco, got some coolant, a hose, and some duct tape (no time to fit hose). Bodgied up a quick'n'dirty repair, made it to the test (same tester), explained the continuing saga of misfortunes, and all was OK: the car didn't explode into flames during the test, and Dave passed. :niceone:

Ixion

20th July 2005, 14:42

I think it is entirely improper that motorcycle tests should be conducted by people who are themselves unqualified to ride a motorcycle. On what possible basis can they claim to be qualified to judge confidence? Complaince with the road code, yes. But only another motorcyclist could judge a riders riding ability.

Also , the speedo thing. It is a well established fact that many cars have very optimistic speedos, especially at low speed. So what happens if the bike has an accurate speedo, and the car is inaccurate. Why are they not required to have their speedos certified ?

Back in the day, the tests were done by a traffic cop, who would accompany you (if he could be bothered) on his Triumph. At least he knew what he was talking about.

Sounds like she was in a pissed off mood, and just took it out on you.

Which also leads me to ask a question. Does anyone know what sort of quality control (if any) there is on these people?

It seems to me that their powers are pretty much God like. If they don't like the look of you , they can fail you and there is no review.

So , what if one of them has a "hate thing" against bikes? Doesn't believe they should be allowed, and so fails every applicant? It is certainly established that this ("they shoulddn't be allowed on the roads") has happened with respect to older (80+) drivers. So why not bikes .

mikey

20th July 2005, 14:42

i failed my restriceterecketed car licence a lot.

pulled up in my sklyine which was a tad loud.
was 2 minutes late. FAILED

re book
was ontime - he was late - gave him shit - went through an green/oragne light FAILED

re book
rear right brake light was out FAILED - didnt get to leave AA

rebook
warrant was due two days ago - didnt even leave AA
FAILED

rebook
had a joint sprayed lots of lynx / clear eyesd my eyes
drove sloooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooowly

the geriatric PASSES ME wooojhhohooooo

expensive trip but well worth it, 400 dollar fine compared to (EDIT 37 io could swear) dollar re sit, ill take the edit 37, even though it was a few

Motoracer

20th July 2005, 14:43

Ixion

20th July 2005, 14:44

MSTRS

20th July 2005, 14:48

Actually, that's a point. Why don't they require the tester to video the test. After all, it's just theirword against yours.
Good idea.
Or use 2 testers from different orgs that are booked/observe/report independently.
Video would be cheaper.

_Gina_

20th July 2005, 14:50

I have it on good authority? that Penrose is the place to go, and one particular tester, not sure who it is but will be finding out before I go!

ManDownUnder

20th July 2005, 14:53

Not a Sp moment. I mean the tester sounded like utter bollocks. And it would be good to give some of her shit back.
Do you have to take everything I say so literally & remove the humourous intent?

And mine was not a sp moment either - I got the joke, extended it (and agree with the sentiment behind it).

Maybe people should read it through and understand what's being said before dishing out bad rep too...
MDU

Coyote

20th July 2005, 14:55

Walkie Talkies? I didn't come across any of that, nor was I told that we should've had them. The system is very flawed, there is all these different standards for each AA office. I envy those who just had to go around a bloody block, I had to go around the entire town!

And the BHS course was far better as they would tell you what you did wrong then get you to set it right. This restricted test, you pay for the test before completing it then get sent off on your merry way then get a de-breif saying what you did wrong and you have failed, and we've just arsed raped you of your 88 bucks twenty mother fucker!!

They need a universal system set across the country and they need to explain what you have done wrong and let you set it right

vifferman

20th July 2005, 14:55

do you not think you're over reacting a little? If you didn't conform to the law, then why should you pass?
Sometimes though, they 'imagine' stuff you've done wrong. Like when I did my car test (a couple of years after Noah got his ark-driving certification), I was noted for "rolling back on the hillstart". Excuse me?!? What actually happened was the short hill where the testers liked to do hillstarts had another car parked on it. So, I waited behind it, did a hillstart on the slopey bit before the hill using the footbrake, then parked on the hill using the handbrake, and did a perfect takeoff. But (BUT!!) the Austin 1800 LandCrab has huge suspension movement - as the clutch bites with the handbrake still on, the front of the car rises up, you let the brake off, it goes down, off you go. I think either the footbrake start or the suspension movement confused the poor MOT oroficer. In any case, he was determined to fail me, and took me to the Gubmint Gardens in Rotorua to do the test - backing into a path at an acute angle to the road, 3-point turn on a one-way road slightly wider than the car, etc. All stuff that would've been difficult in a Mini, and impossible for everyone in the LandCrab. As it turned out, I passed - with one minor point to spare.

Bike licence tester was completely different (i.e., not an arsehat with an axe to grind). "That your bike? Meet me in the carpark and we'll go for a blat!"
I cocked up a couple of things (failed to indicate one turn, went too fast on another), but I was at least confident and relaxed.

HT tester in Ngaruawahia did the "We'll just check the vehicle" thing. :nono:
RUC certificate was expired by more than 5000km. He dispensed with the fine (prolly coz it was a Gubmint truck), and sent me away. When I returned a few weeks later (having had to help with a last-minute brake bleed on the truck), it was the easiest test I'd ever done - drove around the block, backed around a corner, and that was that.

So much depends on the tester: their personality, nationality, mood, the snap decision they make about what you look like, the weather, what they had for lunch, whether they did/didn't get a bit last night, their biorhythms, whatever. It ends up being quite arbitrary, and most often, in no wise a test of your actual driving/riding competence. Why the hell else is it that there are so many morons on the road who couldn't drive their way out of a paper bag, if they had a carload of instructors with them, and a million dollars was riding on it?

MSTRS

20th July 2005, 14:56

Maybe people should read it through and understand what's being said before dishing out bad rep too...
MDU
Eh? None from me....a greenie from me for defending my 'attack'

Smorg

20th July 2005, 15:00

sounds like a penis to me..................i sit my restricted in a few weeks hope i dont get the same arsehole!!!!!
Still sourcing a 250 to do the friggin test on :whocares:

ManDownUnder

20th July 2005, 15:01

Eh? None from me....a greenie from me for defending my 'attack'

Na mate you're right, not from you. I'm not naming names just surprised at the response is all...

To be honest I quite enjoy you taking me on from time to time... fun to disagree sometimes eh?
MDU

vifferman

20th July 2005, 15:02

rebook
had a joint sprayed lots of lynx / clear eyesd my eyes
drove sloooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooowly

the geriatric PASSES ME wooojhhohooooo

So, what are you saying, mikey? That some recreational drooogs beforehand is the way to go? Strictly medicinal, of course. :yes: Just to help you relax. :rofl:

MSTRS

20th July 2005, 15:06

Na mate you're right, not from you. I'm not naming names just surprised at the response is all...

To be honest I quite enjoy you taking me on from time to time... fun to disagree sometimes eh?
MDU
Oh yea....must take it to the track sometime. Then we'll see who has the biggest one eh? :whistle:

ManDownUnder

20th July 2005, 15:10

Oh yea....must take it to the track sometime. Then we'll see who has the biggest one eh? :whistle:

err... lemme see... 1 track novice on a sleeved down GSX engine, vs someone else on the GSX-R 1100????

errrr. I know who I'd put my money on!:clap:

And beside - size isn't everything (unless you don't have enough to keep you happy...):whistle:

Motu

20th July 2005, 15:24

Ah for the good old days eh? I was told to go ride in a circle on my Bantam out in the car park - but when I looked over at the cop he was talking to my neighbour two doors up who was sitting the test after me....he had a Saint and the cop was checking it out.

I did an Advanced Driving Certificate a few years ago,and as someone mentioned I just exagerated everything I did - indicated if I moved the steering wheel,spent more time looking in the mirrors than at the road in front etc.It's gotta be a bike riding Cop that does the test minimum to be a true test of riding ability.Too confidant??? Got up someones nose I reckon.....

campbellluke

20th July 2005, 15:32

The reason she said you were speeding would be because you would have been pulling away from her. Not looking at your mirrors to notice it. To pull over and wait for her.

Back tyre $160? Jesus, it is a 250cc. Just enter a dealer ship and say "please get me a cheap back tyre". My 140/70/17 back tyre cost me less than $100. I get about 12-13Ks before it is failed with 0mm each warrant.

Also, next time shake her hand and greet her before you sit the test. So she doesn't think that you are squirming little shit. - That what I was told as advice before I sat my test.

My test took 45 minutes if I remember right. And the AA said it shouldn't take any longer than 20. Still nothing to get upset about. I passed it with no mistakes.

I think you should do your homework before you sit the test again. Be a "riding geek" I think you said? You are just playing their game.

inlinefour

20th July 2005, 15:45

do you not think you're over reacting a little? If you didn't conform to the law, then why should you pass? Not having a go here, just saying, she must have had good reason not to pass you. May be you should bursh up a bit for next time, and just keep your cool. A stop sign means just that. Make the point of stopping and putting both feet down before you move off. Exaggerate everything. While you know you're checking your blind spot (hope you are) with a quick glance, the officer probably isn't going to see that. But by the same token, don't over do it and turn round, cos that just isn't funny (to us it would be tho). They have a job to do many times over. Cut them a little slack no and again. You (well not, you, but others) moan and bitch when they're cut up on the roads by a bad driver, well these guys are trying to keep the standards up of new drivers, by not letting any old Joe Bloggs pass who's half blind and half a brain to keep the eye company. Just look at the whole picture. Just saying.

But, that's a huge no-no for leaving you like that. She should have pulled over, or got your attention and pulled you over to say why, then say what happens next. To just leave you like that is irresponsible. She should be noted on that to her superior.
Also, when I did my R and full, both times, the instructor gave me a set of directions to follow. When I got to the end of that, I pulled over and waited for him to come to me, and give me the next set. Why could you have not done that? A couple of times, I forgot which way to go, they just indicate in advance, and I follow that way. Even at the end, when he decided a different way back, I was in front all along, and he was fine about it.. I thought that was always the case.

Sounds like I was lucky enough to go for a ride with a MOT officer waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa aaaaaayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy back when I did my licience. Funny enough, he said that I was too confident also. Instead of getting all shitty, I asked him what he meant by that. What he said made perfect sense. I was too confident on the bike to be riding in traffic on the roads. I actually learnt from what he said and had to agree. He reckoned that since we had to ride back to the station anyway, I might as well have another crack at it. This time I checked on everything and did everything right. Including stopping at stop signs (hand brake engaged and both feet on the ground). Thats how you get your licience. Unless your able to get hold of that turkey that was handing them out for $$$ at AA...

Coyote

20th July 2005, 15:49

I would love to re-do my test on a R1

Ixion

20th July 2005, 15:52

sounds like a penis to me..................i sit my restricted in a few weeks hope i dont get the same arsehole!!!!!
Still sourcing a 250 to do the friggin test on :whocares:

Y'can borrow Li'l ratty if y'want. he's a 250. Gotta warrant n stuff. Real easy to ride too. Full lock circles in 5 metres

Lou Girardin

20th July 2005, 16:15

ManDownUnder

20th July 2005, 16:49

Back tyre $160? Jesus, it is a 250cc. Just enter a dealer ship and say "please get me a cheap back tyre". My 140/70/17 back tyre cost me less than $100. I get about 12-13Ks before it is failed with 0mm each warrant.

Tyres... I got one from these guys
http://www.starcycle.com/street.html

Cheap as chips and shipped to my hotel. Not sure what it'd cost to ship to NZ but if there's no hurry (i.e. "I'll need one for the next warrant") then what the hell...

Either that or I'll vouch for AMPS. I've got good deals through them for tyres and helmets in the past...
MDU

inlinefour

20th July 2005, 16:59

I was getting the WOF on the bike and it really bothers me that they fluff around looking at the bike, but never once actually look at the helmet that I wear. Now I'm not too concerned about my helmet as I don't use crap. But I'm rather surprised that even with all the LTSA bullshit, the helmet is never looked at...

justsomeguy

20th July 2005, 18:27

Contact Driver Testing NZ and LTNZ, query her behaviour, especially leaving without warning mid-test. Saw your rear wheel move - bullshit. Over-confident? Double bullshit. Didn't you show the appropriate amount of fear?
This is what happens when people with no driver training or enforcement experience are hired as testers.

Know what you mean Lou, I've been riding for exactly 6 months legally and around 7 months in total in that time I've done nearly 10,000ks - 90% of which has been weekend riding on open country roads... I'm not saying I'm a hot shot super rider, I have many flaws but I am comfortable with my bike I dont feel any sort of newbie awkwardness.... so oh well.....

You know I'd be wayyyyy happier if we had cops looking after driver/rider training again...... yeah, yeah I know they are pigs and all that but at least they have been out in the real world ......

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Hmm..... lots of interesting topics here...

I just had a proper look at my Test Memo - with a calmer mind....

The bitch has written
1. Failure to stop at a stop signs.

2. Improve consistency - smooth riding ensures the bike remains in balance......HUH - I THOUGHT SHE SAID I WAS TOO CONFIDENT.....

by the way her name is LOUISE......

At this stage I'm gonna go to Henderson and just get on with the test.....

Pursuing this issue further is gonna make me blow one of my valves and I'm not talking about those on my bike...... it will be easier to just get on with it on Sat arvo and be done with it....

justsomeguy

20th July 2005, 18:31

Back tyre $160? Jesus, it is a 250cc. Just enter a dealer ship and say "please get me a cheap back tyre". My 140/70/17 back tyre cost me less than $100. I get about 12-13Ks before it is failed with 0mm each warrant.

I think you should do your homework before you sit the test again. Be a "riding geek" I think you said? You are just playing their game.

I need a Pirelli Sport demon to match my front tyre.... most of my riding is done out on KB rides so I need a decent tyre...

The cheapest quote I have is from Colemans for 165 fitted and balanced. Others quote me closer to $200

Good point about playing their game - I should have known that...

Virago

20th July 2005, 18:57

..........Anyway managed to get to the AA Quay street office in about 10 mins. Was a bit pissed off and :weird: and lanesplit through ridiculously small gaps, ended up breaking the plastic mirror surround of a van I passed.....:brick: ...... didn't really bother stopping though......

....... and managed to book myself in on Sat afternoon....another $50 that I'm gonna have to sacrife from somewhere else.....(hate being bloody broke)......
Hmmm, I wonder how much it will cost the owner of the broken mirror - a bit more than $50 do you think? And what did they do wrong?

It sounds like you have a serious attitude problem there.........

Zed

20th July 2005, 19:15

Then gives me a bit of a bloody debrief asking me how long I've been riding, whether I've done any track days, etc....

Get this she says I'm too confident.... :weird: ......WTF ???Oh JSG, don't tell me you were trying to get your knee down during the big test? Is that why she asked you if you had done any track days? :nono:

Seriously though, I worked with an Indian guy last year who failed his drivers licence 5 times in a row for one reason or another, and he wasn't THAT bad a driver. Circumstances sucked that's all, it doesn't always go our way no matter how good we do. I hope you pass on Sat with flying colours this time! :Punk:

DingDong

20th July 2005, 19:16

PMS... you should have booked 2 weeks from today just 2 B safe :yes:

Good luck on Saturday... sounds like you'll need it

justsomeguy

20th July 2005, 19:24

Hmmm, I wonder how much it will cost the owner of the broken mirror - a bit more than $50 do you think? And what did they do wrong?

It sounds like you have a serious attitude problem there.........

Traffic had stopped at a red light passed by and tapped it with the corner of my mirror at 10kmph.....This is the plastic surrounding the mirror not the glass.... I don't know if it broke or what I didn't stop......but it sent my mirror out of alignment...

Yes I agree I was seeing a bit of the red monster.... couldn't believe I failed.... I know I may not be good enough to pass a full license test, but I'm bloody sure that I'm good enough to pass a restricted....anyway...... yadayadayada

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And Zed I didn't do anything funny..... just drove a lot more carefully and slower than I normally am took a couple of corners at 35ish ks nothing spectacular..... not my day I guess....

Hopefully Sat goes well..... or else it may be me that is wrong....:weird:

campbellluke

20th July 2005, 20:36

I need a Pirelli Sport demon to match my front tyre.... most of my riding is done out on KB rides so I need a decent tyre...

Why must you match your tyres? I have a Pirelli Sport demon front tyre too. But Kenda back tyre. There is nothing wrong with it. I admit that it doesn't seem to promote even wear.

I am just saying that if you are skint for cash. Go and ask for a Kenda tyre. Your bike is a "||||||||||" you say? Well I don't know what tyres going on one of those. If it's 140mm. You won't be spending more than $100.

That pirelli sports demon tyre you have is not radial btw. But then again I don't know what your bike is.

Tyres... I got one from these guys
http://www.starcycle.com/street.html

Cheap as chips and shipped to my hotel. Not sure what it'd cost to ship to NZ but if there's no hurry (i.e. "I'll need one for the next warrant") then what the hell...

Either that or I'll vouch for AMPS. I've got good deals through them for tyres and helmets in the past...
MDU

Thanks for the website. I click on "kenda" and it just takes be to their website :-( Shame that. Because I could have found out if $100 is a ripoff or resonable.

justsomeguy

20th July 2005, 20:42

Why must you match your tyres? I have a Pirelli Sport demon front tyre too. But Kenda back tyre. There is nothing wrong with it. I admit that it doesn't seem to promote even wear.

I am just saying that if you are skint for cash. Go and ask for a Kenda tyre. Your bike is a "||||||||||" you say? Well I don't know what tyres going on one of those. If it's 140mm. You won't be spending more than $100.

That pirelli sports demon tyre you have is not radial btw. But then again I don't know what your bike is.

Thanks for the website. I click on "kenda" and it just takes be to their website :-( Shame that. Because I could have found out if $100 is a ripoff or resonable.

I've got a ZZR250 - cosmetically :puke: but mechanically :2thumbsup

I've got a Sport D on the front and want to replace the worn rear with the same. I'll find the money to get another Sport D...... can't skimp on decent tyres.... they're life saving, shinny side up keeping thimgamejigs....

I usually like to try and push it so need decent tyres.....

crashe

20th July 2005, 21:21

Justsomeguy - What time on Saturday do you have to be at AA on Central Park Drive?

Maybe if weather is fine I could do a follow the leader.... naturally from a distance lol. :ride: :ride: :ride:

Toast

20th July 2005, 21:50

you just got to go in there suck cock like your real GAy an theres no tomorrow,
ride like you got a nuke on the back which goes off if you lean more than 5 degress around a corner, an go over 40ks, an keep doing head checks like your paranoid cause people are out to get you.

You got a bad one JSG. I did mine in Greenlane, got a warning for not stopping at a stop sign part way through the test (though I did actually stop, he just couldn't comprehend the fact that I had no feet on the ground and was just wiggling my ass around to stop - showing off to him basically). I was also cornering and, as he described it, 'leaning really far.'

I guess I got off lucky being a cocky little prick that day. Best is to just ride like a nana until they give you that temp licence...then come back later and show them what you can really do :niceone: :devil2:

myvice

20th July 2005, 21:57

You got a bad one JSG. I did mine in Greenlane, got a warning for not stopping at a stop sign part way through the test (though I did actually stop, he just couldn't comprehend the fact that I had no feet on the ground and was just wiggling my ass around to stop - showing off to him basically). I was also cornering and, as he described it, 'leaning really far.'

I guess I got off lucky being a cocky little prick that day. Best is to just ride like a nana until they give you that temp licence...then come back later and show them what you can really do :niceone: :devil2:
So no powerslide with the front wheel in the air while giving a cop the fingers through a red light then?

SPman

20th July 2005, 22:26

Read an article a coupla years back about a UK rider that lost his license for excessive speed on the motorway. Due to whatever happens over there, he had to resit his test. This guy was a track instructor and had been riding for many years. Took him 3 attempts, to pass his test! During his test, he was riding the way he always rode, using all the life saving experience and skill he had learnt - BUT IT WASNT THE OFFICIAL, PRESCRIBED WAY OF RIDING, as per the rule book!!!!! So he was failed, until he gave in and rode like a scared nana! Scared, because the prescribed way of riding was extremely unsafe in the real world. Didn't matter - zealous officials do it by the book! Even if the book is wrong in the real world - useless cunts!

raster

20th July 2005, 23:21

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Hmm..... lots of interesting topics here...

I just had a proper look at my Test Memo - with a calmer mind....

The bitch has written
1. Failure to stop at a stop signs.

2. Improve consistency - smooth riding ensures the bike remains in balance......HUH - I THOUGHT SHE SAID I WAS TOO CONFIDENT.....

by the way her name is LOUISE......

At this stage I'm gonna go to Henderson and just get on with the test.....

Pursuing this issue further is gonna make me blow one of my valves and I'm not talking about those on my bike...... it will be easier to just get on with it on Sat arvo and be done with it....

I got Louise too, silver subaru imprezza at penrose.
Apparently I wasn't accelerating fast enough, Didn't turn my head(fair enough) or check enough on a controlled rail crossing which hasn't had a train on it for years. The radio kept cutting out to so often I had to wait for her indicators.
I was pissed off at the time, but she was thorough though.
When I resat I got the bike the previous day(red baron hire) and did some practice in a carpark the previous night and riding to work the next day was a buzz. Got a guy in a Lada who asked me if I'd been riding for a while and I was a good confident rider.
no radio, he actually got out of his car and made me do a couple of figure 8's at walking speed, no problem for me as much of my riding is on the driveway. I had to wait for him a couple of times, accelerated too fast.??!!!
After only about 200 Ks of city riding.

raster

20th July 2005, 23:30

Good luck on your test this time, might want to exagerate your stopppppssssshitthing???!! :weird: Sorry, getting late.

I'm doing defensive driving course over next 2 weeks, 3 months up on the 3/8/05, will be booking for asap after that. Full license here I come.
:ride:

justsomeguy

20th July 2005, 23:35

Justsomeguy - What time on Saturday do you have to be at AA on Central Park Drive?

Maybe if weather is fine I could do a follow the leader.... naturally from a distance lol. :ride: :ride: :ride:

4 pm on the Sat at the Henderson Place.

Lou Girardin

21st July 2005, 08:17

vifferman

21st July 2005, 08:45

BTW When you stop at a stop sign during your test ALWAYS PUT A FOOT DOWN.
Indeed.
I always do this too if I'm riding and there's a cop behind me at a stop sign. It's what is often used as a basis to indicate whether you stopped or almost but not quite stopped. Better safe than sorry, like the exaggerated head movements to indicate you are looking around and are aware of things - they can't be sure if you are checking for hazards if you are doing it by moving only your eyes.

I wonder if any of us experienced riders/drivers would fail if we sat our tests again, due to learned bad habits?

I still believe that regardless of the checklists they use, there are still too many subjective things. Didn't someone post something a while back that said they carefully ensured they obeyed the speed limit, yet were failed for going too slow?
It might be like the passport system now - they fail your application seemingly just to generate more revenue. It took us three attempts to get passports for our kids - they failed the photos twice. When they accepted the final photos three weeks after we sent in the applications, they could have given the passports to us almost immediately, if we paid them another $150 each. We opted not to, and cancelled our trip to Melbourne. We finally received the passports this Tuesday, four and half weeks after we submitted them. So much for a 10-day turnaround. However (BUT!!) if you pay the express fee (more than double the normal rate), you can get them quicker. My wife's boss got his processed in less than 6 hours.

Lias

21st July 2005, 09:23

For what its worth, I did mine a few months back at 5 Crossroads , Hamilton and it was a piece of weasels.

Smorg

21st July 2005, 09:26

Y'can borrow Li'l ratty if y'want. he's a 250. Gotta warrant n stuff. Real easy to ride too. Full lock circles in 5 metres

That'd be sweet man cheers :Punk: :Punk:

FEINT

21st July 2005, 09:45

Traffic had stopped at a red light passed by and tapped it with the corner of my mirror at 10kmph.....This is the plastic surrounding the mirror not the glass.... I don't know if it broke or what I didn't stop......but it sent my mirror out of alignment...

Yes I agree I was seeing a bit of the red monster.... couldn't believe I failed.... I know I may not be good enough to pass a full license test, but I'm bloody sure that I'm good enough to pass a restricted....anyway...... yadayadayada

If I was the van, I would be seeing the same red monster you were seeing! :mad: :no: :nono:

Good luck for your test on Sat... :ride:

ManDownUnder

21st July 2005, 10:21

UK driver training and the strictness of their tests is why their road toll is so much lower per capita than ours. They can drive, we can't.

BTW When you stop at a stop sign during your test ALWAYS PUT A FOOT DOWN.

Isn't that funny - on the riding course I did (way back when) one of the things they taught us to do was always (try to) bring the bike to a complete stop BEFORE taking your foot off the peg.

So now I'm quite capable of stopping and starting off again without going near the ground... and yet here it is being used as an indication of coming to a complete stop...!

inlinefour

21st July 2005, 10:45

Isn't that funny - on the riding course I did (way back when) one of the things they taught us to do was always (try to) bring the bike to a complete stop BEFORE taking your foot off the peg.

So now I'm quite capable of stopping and starting off again without going near the ground... and yet here it is being used as an indication of coming to a complete stop...!

That is because the momentum is holding you on the bike. Many of us can also do this, however don't on stop signs as we try to avoid potential tickets. However at give way signs, not a prob. Try to sit on your bike without starting it, no momentum and then you'll see how difficult it really is to balance. Hence the need for at least one foot on the ground. Oh and both wheels need to have completely stopped rotating ahe. But I'd be guessing that this is something that will not be repeated as sometimes the hardest lession is also the best lession learnt. I'd not bother complaining myself, won't change a damn thing. But I do agree that the Police, specifically motorcycle Police, should be doing the actual tests. No some dyslexic maggot that has never sat on a bike, let alone ridden one...

Ixion

21st July 2005, 11:00

Isn't that funny - on the riding course I did (way back when) one of the things they taught us to do was always (try to) bring the bike to a complete stop BEFORE taking your foot off the peg.

So now I'm quite capable of stopping and starting off again without going near the ground... and yet here it is being used as an indication of coming to a complete stop...!

Different things. Keeping feet up as long as possible is best for control - as every dirt bike rider knows. So long as your feet are on the pegs, you have control. Once one is down you're unbalanced.

Depending on teh bike one can often stay feet up and stationery for quite a while , several minutes in some cases. (probably less on a sprot bike, but a cruiser should be easy)

But the advice to put a foot down wasn't to improve bike control - hardly a biggy under driving test conditions. 'Twas just to PROVE to the twit following that "see I HAVE stopped ".

For same reason I have heard driving instructors tell cagers going for their test to put the handbrake on and car in neutral at a stop sign. Bad practice , but it PROVES they've stopped and not just rolled through.

Lou Girardin

21st July 2005, 11:13

I was testing before and after the change to the new testing regime. I still believe that the best test was the old 'advanced test'. This was a 40 minute drive where the tester just gave directions and observed your driving. There were no interruptions for "hazard detection", and it's amazing how hard it is to concentrate for that length of time. It really showed the faults and bad habits that people develop.
It's purely subjective and requires testers who know what driving is all about, but it worked. Now, for testers, they rely on anyone off the street who passes a very basic training course.

justsomeguy

21st July 2005, 11:16

BTW When you stop at a stop sign during your test ALWAYS PUT A FOOT DOWN.

That is not enough, you have to come to a complete stop.

My right leg was down on the ground, she said that I didn't come to a complete stop.

What I did was slow to about 1 kmph - I needed my leg down or the bike would fall I was turning left, looked over to the right (oncoming traffic) for a good two seconds..WHERE I'M PRETTY SURE I WAS STOPPED.. and proceeded..... she said she could still see a little movement in my tyre...so that means I didn't stop......:weird:

Anyway what is a bit controversial with this system is that as soon as you make one mistake you are failed and the test stopped......so you don't know how your skills are compared in the other areas.... so you pay for a 20 min test get failed in the first 10 mins and never get a chance to experience the other 10 mins and get any feedback on that part of the test......bit of a rip off I think....

Lou Girardin

21st July 2005, 12:24

MSTRS

21st July 2005, 12:42

After that, biking holds no fear for me. :ride:
You've not pillioned with WT yet?

justsomeguy

21st July 2005, 12:44

If the failure is such that an offence is committed, the tester is obliged to stop the test. In some cases they are supposed to drive the vehicle back to base. This is to protect themselves from repercussions if an accident then occurred.
I had one little old lady who failed for not giving way at a roundabout. I directed her back to base and she failed to give way again at the next roundabout. I learned that lesson pretty quick.
Then there was the LOL who pulled out in front of a B train doing 80 k's. :gob: I grabbed the wheel and steered over the kerb to get out of it's path. After that, biking holds no fear for me. :ride:

Hmm.. I've been dealing with stop signs for the past 5 years, never even had a moment at them....Always make sure the way is absolutely clear before I proceed.

Failure to stop at stop signs is a very common trap used by these people, I was warned about it and told to put the car in neutral and engage the hand brake as a sign of being pedantic by my driving instructor years ago, pity I forgot that and didn't apply the same yesterday.

Anyway I'm rather confident that I will get my license on Sat... unless I really cock-up something I'm not aware I'm doing habitually......

Lou Girardin

21st July 2005, 12:51

You've not pillioned with WT yet?

I meant riding. You'd never get me on the back of those dangerous bloody things.

MSTRS

21st July 2005, 13:29

I meant riding. You'd never get me on the back of those dangerous bloody things.
Pussy....*agrees*

Lou Girardin

21st July 2005, 14:47

Pussy....*agrees*

Does that mean I can have a whiskas sack?

ManDownUnder

21st July 2005, 15:15

That is because the momentum is holding you on the bike. Many of us can also do this, however don't on stop signs as we try to avoid potential tickets. However at give way signs, not a prob. Try to sit on your bike without starting it, no momentum and then you'll see how difficult it really is to balance. Hence the need for at least one foot on the ground. Oh and both wheels need to have completely stopped rotating ahe. But I'd be guessing that this is something that will not be repeated as sometimes the hardest lession is also the best lession learnt. I'd not bother complaining myself, won't change a damn thing. But I do agree that the Police, specifically motorcycle Police, should be doing the actual tests. No some dyslexic maggot that has never sat on a bike, let alone ridden one...

Oh yeah - I hear ya (and agree entirely)...

The point of the exercise given to us was to improve balance - not to be able to stop without putting a foot down per se. And yes - isn't it interesting the way the bikes so much more stable while running, or put a little power on, and hold the front brake on - put the frame ander a bit of stress and you can stay standing even longer.

My point in that post was they detection method is flawed - they're relying on information (i.e. the foot went down) that isn't necessarily 100% positive proof - albeit generally accurate.

But then I think that's been said already

ManDownUnder

21st July 2005, 15:16

Does that mean I can have a whiskas sack?

FFS :rofl:

Lou - I'm a visual guy and you've just brough AWFUL things to mind... you and some sack with whiskas on it...

eeeeessshhhh:puke:

Toast

21st July 2005, 16:28

So no powerslide with the front wheel in the air while giving a cop the fingers through a red light then?

Nah they'd probably still fail you, even displaying sublime bike control skills like that...no appreciation for art these people :oi-grr:

vifferman

21st July 2005, 16:37

Nah they'd probably still fail you, even displaying sublime bike control skills like that...no appreciation for art these people :oi-grr:
No sense of humour either.

But just remember what kind of people take jobs like this - most of 'em will be petty bureacratic types, or disgruntled people who failed at other jobs.

Hmmmmm.... maybe I should become one of these arsehats....
At least I would appreciate a bit of inventive hooliganism. Except from those knob-ends that drive BoiRaceR cars with drony zorsts and no suspension travel. I'd fail them just for my own amusement.

Lou Girardin

21st July 2005, 16:41

No sense of humour either.

But just remember what kind of people take jobs like this - most of 'em will be petty bureacratic types, or disgruntled people who failed at other jobs.

.

Thank you vman, you got me in one. I haven't had a gruntle in years. :motu: (in triplicate)

MSTRS

21st July 2005, 17:19

Does that mean I can have a whiskas sack?
Paws off. I'm married.

Rincewind

21st July 2005, 19:14

My advice (for what it's worth)

Wait untill after you have passed your test in Henderson before you lodge your complaint about the previous one !!

The examiner at Henderson may be the bed partner of the examiner at the other branch (whoops)

But make sure you lodge a complaint, use her lack of preparation as the base of your complaint, her late arrival and lack of communication equipment put you at a dissadvantage from the beginning etc etc..

Good luck for Saturday ...

justsomeguy

21st July 2005, 20:16

But make sure you lodge a complaint, use her lack of preparation as the base of your complaint, her late arrival and lack of communication equipment put you at a dissadvantage from the beginning etc etc..

Good luck for Saturday ...

OK - but just to clear things what am I complaining about??

What she wrote on my slip - failing to stop at stop signs is a pretty open statement and I don't see her boss refuting that.... these people are bloody bureaucrats who may not even be bikers....

Lets wait till Sat......

Zed

21st July 2005, 20:34

Lets wait till Sat......Yeah you've had your rant JSG, the general consensus is the majority sympathise with you...so pay up this Sat and pass this time okay. I don't want to see you starting a 2nd rant thread! :third:

justsomeguy

21st July 2005, 20:44

I don't want to see you starting a 2nd rant thread! :third:

Me neither......

.....by the way any of you have any advice on the restricted test?? Those of you who have passed it??

inlinefour

21st July 2005, 21:04

Me neither......

.....by the way any of you have any advice on the restricted test?? Those of you who have passed it??

Ask for a biker ploddy, not some antibiker freak... :whistle:

justsomeguy

21st July 2005, 21:10

Ask for a biker ploddy, not some antibiker freak... :whistle:

Good point, know how I can do that, without sounding as though I'm insulting the non bike riding pencil pushers?? ......Genuine question

Also isn't it a bit too late to be able to choose a instructor?? Can you actually choose an instructor??

raster

21st July 2005, 21:35

Somone mentioned if you wear a visiblility jacket makes a difference to how they see you, "safety concous(sp)"

Just a suggestion.

I'm freaking out about my next test just 2 weeks away.

Second time is heaps easier, fresh in your mind, I just corrected the mistakes I made, I now stop longer at every stop sign just for practice in normal driving. Spend the time from now on thinking you are being followed and tested whenever you ride. :rofl:
Wouldn't that get people pissed off at you.

James Deuce

21st July 2005, 21:41

I've not spotted this anywhere in the thread, but bear in mind that you have to be stopped for 3 whole seconds at a stop sign before you can move.

Best of luck U!

Jim

justsomeguy

21st July 2005, 21:45

I've not spotted this anywhere in the thread, but bear in mind that you have to be stopped for 3 whole seconds at a stop sign before you can move.

Best of luck U!

Jim

Oh really?? :eek5:

Thanks Jim

James Deuce

21st July 2005, 21:54

Oh really?? :eek5:

Thanks Jim

There is a four way stop sign crossroad intersection on the road where my work is. The Police do a "blitz" there every now and then because of people not stopping, failing to give way correctly, and being utterly incapable of letting someone go first if each stop sign is "loaded". I didn't know about the three second rule until a couple of people at work got ticketed for failing to meet that criteria, despite stopping.

Ixion

22nd July 2005, 01:38

Good point, know how I can do that, without sounding as though I'm insulting the non bike riding pencil pushers?? ......Genuine question

Also isn't it a bit too late to be able to choose a instructor?? Can you actually choose an instructor??

I'd be interested to know the answer to that .

Lou Girardin

22nd July 2005, 08:42

Oh really?? :eek5:

Thanks Jim

No. There is no time laid down in the regs. You just have to stop moving and check that the way is clear.

vifferman

22nd July 2005, 08:51

I've not spotted this anywhere in the thread, but bear in mind that you have to be stopped for 3 whole seconds at a stop sign before you can move.

Yeah, as Lou said, this isn't true.
It is (and has always been, since Noah got busted for failing to stop his ark) that you must stop, and remained stopped, until the way is clear for you to proceed. Nothing about how long this may be.

Sniper

22nd July 2005, 08:52

Dont worry mate. Just take consolation in it might have been that time of month

James Deuce

22nd July 2005, 09:47

No. There is no time laid down in the regs. You just have to stop moving and check that the way is clear.

There isn't, that is true, however they are "trialling" a rule that comes into effect on Jan 16th 2006. Despite pointing out that one can't enforce a "law" that doesn't actually exist, the tickets stood.

Best to start practicing.

inlinefour

22nd July 2005, 11:07

Dont worry mate. Just take consolation in it might have been that time of month

Or a mid life crisis :laugh:

Lou Girardin

22nd July 2005, 13:15

There isn't, that is true, however they are "trialling" a rule that comes into effect on Jan 16th 2006. Despite pointing out that one can't enforce a "law" that doesn't actually exist, the tickets stood.

Best to start practicing.

More stupidity. How are they going to time how long you stop for?
Issue all cops with certified accurate stopwatches? Or are the cops going to count, one thousand and one, one thousand and two................?

It's time people stopped paying these nonsense tickets and started embarrassing the police system in court.

campbellluke

22nd July 2005, 13:25

.....by the way any of you have any advice on the restricted test?? Those of you who have passed it??

I remember reminding myself not to run yellow - red lights and not cut corners for the test.

Move your head each time you look in the mirrors. If she loses you, pull over. Otherwise they are just going to get pissed off.

Edit: Spelling

inlinefour

22nd July 2005, 14:01

I remember reminding myself not to run yellow - red lights and not cut corners for the test.

Move your head each time you look in the mirrors. If she loses you, pull over. Otherwise they are just going to get pissed off.

Edit: Spelling

But I would turn my head completely to check the rear and not just rely on the mirrors. Believe it or not but mirrors + helmet = blind spots. And any half decient tester will pick up on that... :ride:

justsomeguy

22nd July 2005, 14:19

But I would turn my head completely to check the rear and not just rely on the mirrors. :ride:

I think the official name for that is "over the shoulder checks", you get marked down if you don't do them in cages.

vifferman

22nd July 2005, 14:34

But I would turn my head completely ....any half decient tester will pick up on that...
And presumably call an exorcist?:whistle:

inlinefour

22nd July 2005, 15:36

And presumably call an exorcist?:whistle:

I did not mean turn my head 360 degrees. Guess you go me there :weird:

ManDownUnder

22nd July 2005, 16:43

There isn't, that is true, however they are "trialling" a rule that comes into effect on Jan 16th 2006. Despite pointing out that one can't enforce a "law" that doesn't actually exist, the tickets stood.

Best to start practicing.

I'd be standing on the bloody tickets too... and challenging them all the way up to the highest bod in the Police Complaints Authority.

Even if the law (after coming into effect) is retrospective... it's only at THAT point they can ping you. Right now there is NO law existing, therefore you can't be held to it.

nu uh... that's just DUMB. Don't pay them, challenge them... all the way. No lwayers needed. No law = no ticket = no fine.

Ixion

22nd July 2005, 16:49

I'd be standing on the bloody tickets too... and challenging them all the way up to the highest bod in the Police Complaints Authority.

Even if the law (after coming into effect) is retrospective... it's only at THAT point they can ping you. Right now there is NO law existing, therefore you can't be held to it.

nu uh... that's just DUMB. Don't pay them, challenge them... all the way. No lwayers needed. No law = no ticket = no fine.

Perhaps it is not so much a law as a "rule of thumb". It is difficult to determine "stopped". In theory stopped could be a fraction of a second. I could brake very hard, stop instantaneously and accelerate hard. It would be very difficult indeed for an observer to determine if I had actually stopped.

So maybe they are using a "watch and count to three - if the driver stays apparently stationery that long it's good, otherwise we'll assume he didn't stop, just slowed right down".

I think if you came up to the stop sign , stopped, THEN looked both ways and got under way again, you would be stopped for at least three seconds ?

But if it's not law, then I quite agree, they are on shakey ground. Law just says you have to "stop" not how long for. Trouble is, as ever, it's your word against theirs, and the court will believe them if they say you didn't stop. Even if you did.