You Naughty 25%

[Bytor]

http://nz.news.yahoo.com/a/-/top-stories/12423229/most-motorcyclists-are-acting-responsibly-police/


A campaign to raise awareness of motorcycle safety has shown that the majority of riders are acting responsibly, although Police are disappointed with the levels of excess speed.

Month of Motorcycles ran from 14 November to 11 December in Central District, during which time Police were proactively speaking to motorcycle and moped riders with a focus on vehicle conditions, safety equipment, clothing, licences rider behaviour and legal compliance.

During the campaign a total of 645 riders were spoken to, some during day-to-day patrols and others during the 49 checkpoints that were held across the District during that period.

The most concerning issue highlighted was excessive speed with nearly a quarter (153) riding too fast. On the other side of the coin not a single rider was found to be drink and driving.

One motorbike was impounded for 28 days because the rider was forbidden to be driving. Another rider was forbidden to drive due to an expired licence. Notices were issued for 60 other offences. In the main these were driver licence issues (29) and vehicle faults (19) with offences such as out of date registrations making up the rest.

"We were pleased to find that on the whole riders are showing responsibility in regard to the condition of their vehicles, and most are driving with the appropriate class of licence," said the officer in charge of Highway Patrol for Central District, Senior Sergeant Kris Burbery. "The percentage of those spoken to who were riding at excess speed is disappointing and shows more work is needed to educate riders. Riding at speed increases the risk of a crash and evidence is clear that in a high speed crash a motorcyclist has a far greater chance of being seriously injured or killed. Overall, however, we are encouraged by the results of the campaign.

"The majority of riders were quite appreciative of our focus on motorcycles and we had positive feedback from our interactions with riders around safety. It helps us as police officers to learn a bit more about the issues riders face and with an understanding of those issues we can work to identify ways to prevent tragedies involving motorcycles."

[Tigadee]

Should it be the motorcyclists they should be worried about and checking up on, or the motorists/cagers? :yawn:

[SMOKEU]

Should it be the motorcyclists they should be worried about and checking up on, or the motorists/cagers? :yawn:

I think the fuckwits who think it's acceptable to ride around with shorts, or jeans and a t shirt should be the ones getting a good :spanking: Not that there's anything illegal about it. It's probably those people who ride around without the right type of license, current WOF etc.

[Parlane]

I'm pretty sure I saw the guy referenced to having his bike impounded. I was pulled over with a friend in Tai Tapu on the way back to Akaroa. There was a guy sitting on the sidewalk next to his bike. He was then later picked up and his bike stayed there. This was at a police "bike" checkpoint.

If you are the above guy, want to fill me in on the details? :)

[SMOKEU]

I'm pretty sure I saw the guy referenced to having his bike impounded. I was pulled over with a friend in Tai Tapu on the way back to Akaroa.

I've been stopped there about 3 weeks ago at a checkpoint.

[Parlane]

I've been stopped there about 3 weeks ago at a checkpoint.

Was it by a lovely lady cop who really had no idea about bikes? "So how many cc's is your bike?" "How long have you had your learners?" (while holding my licence)

Edit:
Oh, she also told my mate that his rego had elapsed and he would get a fine if he parked it in the city. haha. :D (He didn't let it elapse on purpose)

[SMOKEU]

Was it by a lovely lady cop who really had no idea about bikes? "So how many cc's is your bike?" "How long have you had your learners?" (while holding my licence)

Edit:
Oh, she also told my mate that his rego had elapsed and he would get a fine if he parked it in the city. haha. :D (He didn't let it elapse on purpose)

It was some old dude. He was a real good cunt, just checked my driver license, bike license, WOF, then let me go after telling me I was going a little fast.

[onearmedbandit]

Should it be the motorcyclists they should be worried about and checking up on, or the motorists/cagers? :yawn:

Yes, because motorists/cagers are entirely responsible for our behaviour on the roads, including but not limited to excessive speed.

[avgas]

Who the fuck does excessive speeds up to a "check point"?

I call bullshit on this figure and the paragraph related.........I bet the real world translation is this:


A campaign to raise awareness of motorcycle safety has shown that the majority of riders are acting responsibly, although Police are disappointed with the levels of excess speed.

Month of Motorcycles ran from 14 November to 11 December in Central District, during which time Police were proactively speaking to motorcycle and moped riders with a focus on vehicle conditions, safety equipment, clothing, licences rider behaviour and legal compliance.

During the campaign a total of 645 riders were spoken to, this was done while they received their infringement notices for what ever they were doing wrong.

The most concerning issue highlighted was excessive speed with nearly a quarter (153) riding too fast. On the other side of the coin not a single rider was found to be drink and driving.

One motorbike was impounded for 28 days because the rider was forbidden to be driving. Another rider was forbidden to drive due to an expired licence. Notices were issued for 60 other offences. In the main these were driver licence issues (29) and vehicle faults (19) with offences such as out of date registrations making up the rest.

444 riders were pulled over for no reason at all. Except to spread the good word on how someone's second cousin's mothers cat once died on a motorcycle - so they are dangerous and should be avoided. This evidence was backed up on ACC statistics that shows that motorcyclists cost the country too much money for not dying in lethal accidents.
Its also a we known fact that every time someone rides a motorbike, someone somewhere dies of something.

Coming up next, how to blow on the pie, creating safer communities together.

[willytheekid]

Was it by a lovely lady cop who really had no idea about bikes? "So how many cc's is your bike?" "How long have you had your learners?" (while holding my licence)

Edit:
Oh, she also told my mate that his rego had elapsed and he would get a fine if he parked it in the city. haha. :D (He didn't let it elapse on purpose)

Sounds like the one who stopped me, really lovely lady :yes:
I found her to be very nice to deal with and very polite, I appriciated the manner in which she dealt with the situation at hand (My license was expired! :shit:)...she gave me a ticket for no rego (It was on hold...from 2 days before the price increase lol) even she laughed when I said I had saved nearly $500 bucks for being "bad" and making a stand agaiinst ACC, she then wished me a nice day and sent me on my way (she could have thrown the book at me!...and impounded the bike!! :eek5:)

Got No problem paying a fine or recieveing one for my own poor choices...especially! when the issuer is so nice and friendly :2thumbsup (I even went and rego'd the bike that same day, just so I didn't let her down...as I had promised her I would)

I think its great to see the police working with us in the name of safety...and to publishing there findings and views of our combined efforts- Bloody great!

...now to work on you speed freeks! :killingme , mind you...I can't talk!...got PhatGirl up to a blistering! speed on the way into work this morning....nearly hit 120kph!*...cos Im "BAD"! :no:

*While still being over taken by most of the rush hour traffic :oi-grr:...bloody hoons!

[p.dath]

A bit of a non-article really, not containing any information of any use - unless you want to feel good as a group for being described as mostly acting responsible.

[oneofsix]

A bit of a non-article really, not containing any information of any use - unless you want to feel good as a group for being described as mostly acting responsible.

When do these articles ever contain any information of any use. They are feel good articles with the standard behave warning.
As to the 25% speeding that would probably be applicable to any group and just comes from the 'statistics' and not the exercise.

[ducatilover]

A bit of a non-article really, not containing any information of any use - unless you want to feel good as a group for being described as mostly acting responsible.

+1.


Pointless load of shite, the only way that this can be of use is for them to start exaggerating those statistics.

"675 of 644 bikes pulled over were speeding and dead, this is 78 times more likely to happen on a motorbicycle of over 599cc and even more pertinent when the rider has no Hi Viz"

[The Lone Rider]

So instead of the 1% patches, since there was no Holister "incident" in NZ... the troublemakers need to wear 25% ?

Quick... name the NZ replacement for Marlon Brando in the NZ version of The Wild One.

And what would you call said movie?
And what bike would he ride?

[slofox]

Police are disappointed with the levels of excess speed.

Disappointed are they then? What, aren't we going fast enough? Pretty sure I could fix that for 'em...

[5150]

Disappointed are they then? What, aren't we going fast enough? Pretty sure I could fix that for 'em...

I thought that anything less then MotoGP speeds was not considered speeding.... :innocent:

[slofox]

I thought that anything less then MotoGP speeds was not considered speeding.... :innocent:

Well, when push comes to shove, why buy a machine offering 110hp with a dry weight of 163kg if you want to go slow? May as well ride a treadlie...

[Max Preload]

Sounds like the one who stopped me, really lovely lady :yes:
I found her to be very nice to deal with and very polite, I appriciated the manner in which she dealt with the situation at hand (My license was expired! :shit:)...she gave me a ticket for no rego (It was on hold...from 2 days before the price increase lol) even she laughed when I said I had saved nearly $500 bucks for being "bad" and making a stand agaiinst ACC, she then wished me a nice day and sent me on my way (she could have thrown the book at me!...and impounded the bike!! :eek5:)No. You could have been forbidden to drive though due to the expired drivers licence. Only then if you were caught again could the vehicle have been impounded.

You do realise that you get 15 demerits (http://legislation.govt.nz/regulation/public/2011/0079/latest/DLM3613751.html) too now for the expired vehicle licence since it was issued by a cop, right?

[5150]

Well, when push comes to shove, why buy a machine offering 110hp with a dry weight of 163kg if you want to go slow? May as well ride a treadlie...

or a Harley

[Deano]

A campaign to raise awareness of motorcycle safety has shown that the majority of riders are acting responsibly, although Police are disappointed with the levels of excess speed.



That's cool and I believe fairly accurate. On the flip side, I'm disappointed with the number of stupid manouvers that I have seen personally and read about with regard to Police driving.

Always 2 sides to every story.

[Madness]

You do realise that you get 15 demerits (http://legislation.govt.nz/regulation/public/2011/0079/latest/DLM3613751.html) too now for the expired vehicle licence since it was issued by a cop, right?

Is that 20 points if you're caught riding with a rego on hold? (p 88(a)). Two years is a long time to be messing with those kinds of numbers if you need to drive to earn a crust.

[cs363]

I'm pretty sure I saw the guy referenced to having his bike impounded. I was pulled over with a friend in Tai Tapu on the way back to Akaroa. There was a guy sitting on the sidewalk next to his bike. He was then later picked up and his bike stayed there. This was at a police "bike" checkpoint.

If you are the above guy, want to fill me in on the details? :)

I'm pretty sure you didn't, as this article refers to the Central Policing District:

http://www.police.govt.nz/sites/default/files/map_central-554x419.gif

[cs363]

Well, when push comes to shove, why buy a machine offering 110hp with a dry weight of 163kg if you want to go slow? May as well ride a treadlie...

Careful..... Once TPTB finally figure that one out, we'll all be forced to ride treadlies (especially if the Greens get more power).........or worse :eek: :


a Harley

Plus if you are in the market for a car, you'll be limited to shitboxes like Toyota Prius's etc!

[cs363]

Yes, because motorists/cagers are entirely responsible for our behaviour on the roads, including but not limited to excessive speed.

You've got to wonder about people that used excessive speed in an area and time period that was widely advertised as having a blitz on motorcycles, a month isn't a long time to be able to apply some self control, not to mention be extra alert for cops. Time and place and all that....


Who the fuck does excessive speeds up to a "check point"?

I call bullshit on this figure and the paragraph related....

I think you'll find the numbers are derived from total number of 'contacts' with motorcyclists during the time period, so as well as check points this would include those pulled over for offences etc.

Quote from the article:"During the campaign a total of 645 riders were spoken to, some during day-to-day patrols and others during the 49 checkpoints that were held across the District during that period."

Sadly, the fact that such a high number of motorcyclists were caught speeding (alledgedly excessively...) in that time period will almost certainly ensure a focus on that issue, or further blitz's on motorcycles or similar actions in this policing area or possibly nationally.

[Zamiam]

Well, when push comes to shove, why buy a machine offering 110hp with a dry weight of 163kg if you want to go slow? May as well ride a treadlie...

Or my Harley, 76.2hp and 3 zillion kilograms

[Gremlin]

Lazy bastards... since late October I've been through that area what... at least 6 times, mostly on SH1, and no-one has chatted to me.

[grbaker]

Registration offences on the rise....?? no big surprise there.

[avgas]

I think you'll find the numbers are derived from total number of 'contacts' with motorcyclists during the time period, so as well as check points this would include those pulled over for offenses etc.

Quote from the article:"During the campaign a total of 645 riders were spoken to, some during day-to-day patrols and others during the 49 checkpoints that were held across the District during that period."

Sadly, the fact that such a high number of motorcyclists were caught speeding (allegedly excessively...) in that time period will almost certainly ensure a focus on that issue, or further blitz's on motorcycles or similar actions in this policing area or possibly nationally.
So what I said was correct.
High number of speeding motorcyclists? Huh. That figure would have existed regardless of what campaign was performed. Correlation is not causation. They "reviewed" all their contact with motorcyclists......and viola they found out that a % were actually caught speeding.
I wonder if they do the same with car drivers, truck drivers......whether they can make the same conclusion. Its not exactly rocket science.

What about the 444 that did nothing wrong at all except be caught riding a motorbike. That is the more shocking statistic. Yet I don't see that anywhere in the article. Heaven forbid that 75% of motorcyclists are good safe citizens.
The fucking sky is falling! Wolf Wolf!!!

[aprilia_RS250]

I had a police officer pull me over recently... Assumed I was speeding, I wasn't actually.

Spent 15min arguing about "me" speeding, then he gave me a 10min lecture on how speed kills.

I was late for work, so I politely interrupted him and asked him as a tax payer he shouldn't really be wasting my time when he can't prove that I was speeding and so he won't be issuing tickets and in general I didn't pay him for safety advice, I'd go to a professional riding school for that.

Boy that was the wrong thing to do.... Ended up being 1h late... Oh and he also gave me a warning for speeding when I wasn't speeding!

[p.dath]

I had a police officer pull me over recently... Assumed I was speeding, I wasn't actually.

Spent 15min arguing about "me" speeding, then he gave me a 10min lecture on how speed kills.

I was late for work, so I politely interrupted him and asked him as a tax payer he shouldn't really be wasting my time when he can't prove that I was speeding and so he won't be issuing tickets and in general I didn't pay him for safety advice, I'd go to a professional riding school for that.

Boy that was the wrong thing to do.... Ended up being 1h late... Oh and he also gave me a warning for speeding when I wasn't speeding!

http://legislation.govt.nz/act/public/1998/0110/latest/DLM435105.html

You'd be interested in 114(5):

114(5) An enforcement officer may require a driver to remain stopped on a road for as long as is reasonably necessary to enable the officer to establish the identity of the driver, but not for longer than 15 minutes if the requirement to remain stopped is made under this subsection only.