2012 Forza and Pitsterpro bikes have arrived!

[cave weta]

Ive got bikes everywhere! this is just insane.
I have over 30 bikes here at the moment.
assembling kids quads and The Pitsterpro XTR230 for demos
check out this vid of the new bike- you can have one for just $2800!
The road legal version is arriving mid febuary.
I do have one here but it has no compliance papers. its a sweet bike
with LED lights and LCD display multifunction dash. alloy carrier, pillion pegs

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[gwynfryn]

Is this an add?
Can anyone advertise here or do you have to be a moderator?

[cave weta]

Is this an add?
Can anyone advertise here or do you have to be a moderator?

Good point. It might be an advert- It might be news on new bikes that have just arrived.

You decide.
anyone is welcome to offer stuff on here that they are selling elsewhere. not just moderators- check a few of the other threads.

[Teava]

i must say that the new Lxr12 are very nice!!

[cave weta]

i must say that the new Lxr12 are very nice!!

Too tiny for you though are they? - ha that sounds like Yoda talking:lol:

[Teava]

Too tiny for you though are they? - ha that sounds like Yoda talking:lol:

haha yeah for sure, but that is proper pit bike size, the LXR14 is also very good! :)

[thecharmed01]

Is this an add?
Can anyone advertise here or do you have to be a moderator?

It is getting a bit repetitive.....

[nzspokes]

It is getting a bit repetitive.....

Oh the irony. :killingme

[cave weta]

So ive got your attention then?

Great. Because this is how it is...


You are viewing this thread of your own accord. no body is shoving anything down anyones throat.
KiwiBiker is great, because it is full of fun people who appreciate all the different aspects of our hobby and pastime. Some are more social than others and share their rebuild stories, crash videos, new purchases and specialist information and skills.
There are those who sit back and have a smile or learn stuff without getting into the conversations.
There are trolls - as on all forums who bait the baitable with quips and banter.
But thankfully - in the time that ive been here - I have only found a couple of people that genuinely seem to disike being here yet won't go away.
Both of those people are currently using the site. (Both of them within the last week actualy.) Yet they have learned that their confrontational attitudes make things difficult for them, so they STFU.

I urge people to enhance their browsing pleasure by using the features of the site. ie the Ignore facility. A handy little button in your Settings page. http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/profile.php?do=ignorelist

[flyingcr250]

So ive got your attention then?

Great. Because this is how it is...


You are viewing this thread of your own accord. no body is shoving anything down anyones throat.
KiwiBiker is great, because it is full of fun people who appreciate all the different aspects of our hobby and pastime. Some are more social than others and share their rebuild stories, crash videos, new purchases and specialist information and skills.
There are those who sit back and have a smile or learn stuff without getting into the conversations.
There are trolls - as on all forums who bait the baitable with quips and banter.
But thankfully - in the time that ive been here - I have only found a couple of people that genuinely seem to disike being here yet won't go away.
Both of those people are currently using the site. (Both of them within the last week actualy.) Yet they have learned that their confrontational attitudes make things difficult for them, so they STFU.

I urge people to enhance their browsing pleasure by using the features of the site. ie the Ignore facility. A handy little button in your Settings page. http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/profile.php?do=ignorelist
It wont let you ignore a mod......

Maybe all the forza stuff could have been put in to one thread

Just sayn is all

[Ronin]

It wont let you ignore a mod......

Maybe all the forza stuff could have been put in to one thread

Just sayn is all

Fuck me dead. Don't open the thread then. Not like you don't know what it's going to be about.

[flyingcr250]

Fuck me dead. Don't open the thread then. Not like you don't know what it's going to be about.

I dont mind reading the threads,im just saying instead of starting multiple threads about the same thing, why not just have a 'forza motorbike' thread and post all news and goings on in the same thread, makes it easier for people to find info about the bikes instead of having to search through the 4,5 or 6 threads started about the same thing.

It does make sense....doesnt it? :2thumbsup

[cave weta]

I dont mind reading the threads,im just saying instead of starting multiple threads about the same thing, why not just have a 'forza motorbike' thread and post all news and goings on in the same thread, makes it easier for people to find info about the bikes instead of having to search through the 4,5 or 6 threads started about the same thing.

It does make sense....doesnt it? :2thumbsup

Ummm... how many threads?

[krad_nz]

Getting sick of these threads.... as others have said one thread with all your advertising in it.

I'm surprised you don't get why people don't like their favorite forum being turned into an advertisement for your products.

Can you imagine what this forum would be like if every bike shop in NZ started pimping their wares?

[SVboy]

I like these FORZA threads. This is the kind of bike I will want to replace my xr200. I want as much product info and customer feedback as possible so I can make an informed decision, come purchase time. The fact that an established KBer is selling these makes it more palatable to me, as they would have more to lose if the product was crap. Let the info flow. Dont like it-dont read it!!

[green machine]

If it wasn't for the Forza threads there would be buggar all else to read...............

[gwynfryn]

Getting sick of these threads.... as others have said one thread with all your advertising in it.

I'm surprised you don't get why people don't like their favorite forum being turned into an advertisement for your products.

Can you imagine what this forum would be like if every bike shop in NZ started pimping their wares?

Have to agree. let it rest a bit cave weta.

[Jay GTI]

I like these FORZA threads. This is the kind of bike I will want to replace my xr200. I want as much product info and customer feedback as possible so I can make an informed decision, come purchase time. The fact that an established KBer is selling these makes it more palatable to me, as they would have more to lose if the product was crap. Let the info flow. Dont like it-dont read it!!

I'm keen on the bikes as well (as I've said a few times), but the multiple threads and the stretching of the comparisons with other bikes is starting to annoy me. We're not a bunch of idiots on here, we know how forums work and yeah sure you don't have to read threads, but it's starting to put me off. And if it's putting off a prospective customer who is seriously considering getting one in 2013, what effect is it having on the rest of the potential market on here?

I don't have a problem with CW or the Forzas, I just think the marketing strategy could do with a rethink...

[green machine]

ha thats cause we all in Auckland dirt riders on Facebook :)

Yeah me too....i was being a bit sarcastic Reckless,i find it quite amusing how people are getting all worked up..............like i said at least it gives you something to read on here:msn-wink:

[Rupe]

Ive got bikes everywhere! this is just insane.
I have over 30 bikes here at the moment.
assembling kids quads and The Pitsterpro XTR230 for demos
check out this vid of the new bike- you can have one for just $2800!
The road legal version is arriving mid febuary.
I do have one here but it has no compliance papers. its a sweet bike
with LED lights and LCD display multifunction dash. alloy carrier, pillion pegs

<iframe width="420" height="315" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/_WW7NZhJ9eg" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

Are you going to show us how Forza's handle the extreme stuff and use on to do the races up the farm on the 2nd and 3rd?
http://www.silverbullet.co.nz/event.php?id=9012
http://www.silverbullet.co.nz/event.php?id=9013

[cave weta]

Are you going to show us how Forza's handle the extreme stuff and use on to do the races up the farm on the 2nd and 3rd?
http://www.silverbullet.co.nz/event.php?id=9012
http://www.silverbullet.co.nz/event.php?id=9013

I would if I could, but this is my busy time here. I have about three ride days a week. all my tracks here are mega hard. bikes get a tough workout every time they are ridden. on the 23rd we have the King Of The Hill race here at Thompsons track. it was cancelled two weeks ago because it rained a bit- Pussies!
I went and rode it anyway just for practice, it was furkin horrible. - I loved it. see you here on the 23rd?

With regard to the anal rantings of one or two of you on here.......
What is your problem? - there are two threads on here about these bikes. one that introduces the new brand Forza and discusses what good value they are.
and the other introduces the the Pitsterpro and has a video that shows what those bikes are made like. It shows that it borrows several ideas from the KTM 200exc- shock horror!- some of you dont like that do you!?

Have you noticed that this is a dirt bike forum? - and have you noticed that this thread is dirt bike related news?

If someone was selling red bikes and raved on about how good red bikes are you would get sick of it because (yawn yawn) we already know that they are good ... This is news-because it is NEW.

Now- in this particular forum, bugger all happens, NZspokes created mega interest by resurrecting an old honda. that shows you, how hungry you lot are for news.

when I browse Kiwibiker - I read the threads that interest me- The theads on Stunting Scooters and adding tassles to cruisers dont interest me, so I don't read them.
Why do you punish yourself so ? These treads are not compulsory reading-go do something you enjoy and stop complaining!

[krad_nz]

Some fair points there, but its no longer news. It was a month ago, now its you just going on and on about these bikes...

Your threads are a simple veil for the fact that you're trying to sell things to people to make money for yourself. This doesn't add any value to the forums, in fact it basically whores them out for your own benefit. Some people object to that.

[pc220]

Some fair points there, but its no longer news. It was a month ago, now its you just going on and on about these bikes...

Your threads are a simple veil for the fact that you're trying to sell things to people to make money for yourself. This doesn't add any value to the forums, in fact it basically whores them out for your own benefit. Some people object to that.

Stop opening the fucken thread if you dont like it. There are alot in here that are quite interested in these bikes and and the updates from CW. Should we be missing out on a conveniant source of information just because some of you Auckland bitches have got your period ?:baby:, I think not.

[krad_nz]

Don't like my opinion then skip my posts, or better still ad me to your ignore list... please.

What does me living in Auckland have to do with anything? Sounds like someone has an inferiority complex.

Some people pay for advertising on this site. Others appear to think they can get it for free.

[oldskool]

Correct me if I'm wrong. Isn't there an online trading forum for these kinds of postings? Where are the moderators of old?

[jt119]

Are you going to show us how Forza's handle the extreme stuff and use on to do the races up the farm on the 2nd and 3rd?
http://www.silverbullet.co.nz/event.php?id=9012
http://www.silverbullet.co.nz/event.php?id=9013

think youd do better on one than that heap you ride eny way just my two cents

[Madness]

TAG=whiney little bitches

[Rupe]

think youd do better on one than that heap you ride eny way just my two cents
From a man that owns CRF's and knows they are trouble???you should get a Forza you might even be able to touch the ground on one of the kids bikes!

[Rupe]

I would if I could, but this is my busy time here. I have about three ride days a week. all my tracks here are mega hard. bikes get a tough workout every time they are ridden. on the 23rd we have the King Of The Hill race here at Thompsons track. it was cancelled two weeks ago because it rained a bit- Pussies!
I went and rode it anyway just for practice, it was furkin horrible. - I loved it. see you here on the 23rd?

With regard to the anal rantings of one or two of you on here.......
What is your problem? - there are two threads on here about these bikes. one that introduces the new brand Forza and discusses what good value they are.
and the other introduces the the Pitsterpro and has a video that shows what those bikes are made like. It shows that it borrows several ideas from the KTM 200exc- shock horror!- some of you dont like that do you!?

Have you noticed that this is a dirt bike forum? - and have you noticed that this thread is dirt bike related news?

If someone was selling red bikes and raved on about how good red bikes are you would get sick of it because (yawn yawn) we already know that they are good ... This is news-because it is NEW.

Now- in this particular forum, bugger all happens, NZspokes created mega interest by resurrecting an old honda. that shows you, how hungry you lot are for news.

when I browse Kiwibiker - I read the threads that interest me- The theads on Stunting Scooters and adding tassles to cruisers dont interest me, so I don't read them.
Why do you punish yourself so ? These treads are not compulsory reading-go do something you enjoy and stop complaining!

Can't be bothered to read all that but guess either you or your bikes are not up to it. never mind:msn-wink:

[flyingcr250]

From a man that owns CRF's and knows they are trouble???you should get a Forza you might even be able to touch the ground on one of the kids bikes!

Hahahaha you asked for that one john :laugh:

[jt119]

Hahahaha you asked for that one john :laugh:

lol dont take much to get him going . maybe you could fit one of the 18 rims off one to that ktm .

[gwynfryn]

Initially i enjoyed reading about the forzas and cw is ideally suited to give them a good workout. Not everyone can afford an expensive bike and they look perfect for the average joe. I hope they sell well and give people lots of enjoyment.
What is annoying is cw's one-eyedness. If anyone questions one of his lofty statements they get shot down. A long term owners report will be great reading but telling us about what deals you have, how many you have sold, who you have sold them to etc etc is just tedious.

[jt119]

From a man that owns CRF's and knows they are trouble???you should get a Forza you might even be able to touch the ground on one of the kids bikes!

eny one for a vegetarian burger

[flyingcr250]

eny one for a vegetarian burger

"what the f**k theres no meat in my burger, who gives someone a burger with no f**kn meat in it?, i didnt ask for a vege burger" :laugh: :laugh:

[cave weta]

Initially i enjoyed reading about the forzas and cw is ideally suited to give them a good workout. Not everyone can afford an expensive bike and they look perfect for the average joe. I hope they sell well and give people lots of enjoyment.
What is annoying is cw's one-eyedness. If anyone questions one of his lofty statements they get shot down. A long term owners report will be great reading but telling us about what deals you have, how many you have sold, who you have sold them to etc etc is just tedious.

Gwynfyn- this is not necesseraly aimed at you but you have brought up some good points here:

I have two threads in this forum. One on the Forza that has had over 4400 hits, meaning people are interested.

The other is on the New PitsterPro 230XTR. that thread has over 1200 hits. It is a totally different bike from a totally different manufacturer. The bike in the video has just been assembled from the box. It is the first in the country and I am the first person to ride it. Is that news?

I feel that Im qualified to say that a bike has features similar to KTM if I own both bikes and Im standing here looking at them -while you tap away on your keyboard without ever having seen one of these bikes.- let alone ridden or owned one!

One Eyed?..... hey I would bet money on the fact that I have owned more dirtbikes from more manufactures than you have ever even sat on in shops!

please settle down- you are vastly outnumbered on here by people who have an interest in what is newly available and different and is bloody great value for money.


Long term owner's reports will be provided in the future obviously....... The bikes only arrived in the country 3 weeks ago.

Why not come and ride these bikes? Join me here on a variety of trails for the day - see how they go? come and write a review- I would value your opinions on them once you have seen them and ridden them.

Now please... If you are not interested in new bikes- go away.

once this shit fight has ceased - I can get on to giving you guys an objective overview of cheap bike that I am enjoying immensly.

[cave weta]

Correct me if I'm wrong. Isn't there an online trading forum for these kinds of postings?

Search my posts in online trading for these bikes- they are there

- these two threads that we are discussing here are both about the release of 2 new bikes that I believe will interest other users of this forum.

You will not find in this forum any posts about the Pitbikes, the childrens bikes or the scooters or the quads that I sell- because I dont think that they are very interesting to you.

If you do not like my thread- please dont torture yourself by reading it.

[Jinxycat]

I must agree that the thread (2 of them) are clearly Forza and do not open themselves, quite easy to skip if your "sick of all this stuff", as news is quite slow on the forum at the moment it does give you something to read, i mean this one here it HOT at the moment.

[NordieBoy]

Post a couple of >640x480 pics and see how long 'till a mod noses in :D

[Rupe]

"what the f**k theres no meat in my burger, who gives someone a burger with no f**kn meat in it?, i didnt ask for a vege burger" :laugh: :laugh:

it was a salad burger....what a bitch

[flyingcr250]

it was a salad burger....what a bitch

JT always said you were a meat patty short of a burger......:laugh:

[motor_mayhem]

Gwynfyn- this is not necesseraly aimed at you but you have brought up some good points here:

I have two threads in this forum. One on the Forza that has had over 4400 hits, meaning people are interested.

The other is on the New PitsterPro 230XTR. that thread has over 1200 hits. It is a totally different bike from a totally different manufacturer. The bike in the video has just been assembled from the box. It is the first in the country and I am the first person to ride it. Is that news?

I feel that Im qualified to say that a bike has features similar to KTM if I own both bikes and Im standing here looking at them -while you tap away on your keyboard without ever having seen one of these bikes.- let alone ridden or owned one!

One Eyed?..... hey I would bet money on the fact that I have owned more dirtbikes from more manufactures than you have ever even sat on in shops!

please settle down- you are vastly outnumbered on here by people who have an interest in what is newly available and different and is bloody great value for money.


Long term owner's reports will be provided in the future obviously....... The bikes only arrived in the country 3 weeks ago.

Why not come and ride these bikes? Join me here on a variety of trails for the day - see how they go? come and write a review- I would value your opinions on them once you have seen them and ridden them.

Now please... If you are not interested in new bikes- go away.

once this shit fight has ceased - I can get on to giving you guys an objective overview of cheap bike that I am enjoying immensly.

Have you deleted the thread where you said the Forza was better all round than a motocross 250 and then told us it was basically a KTM frame with an engine with the power of an SX-F but with XR style simplicity and low maintenance requirements?

Vastly outnumbered? I count at least 3 people in this thread alone including myself disagreeing with some of your overselling of the bike. You don't consider that reason to pause for thought?

With your vast amount of bike experience are you honestly going to say a $4,000 bike is as good as a $14,000 bike? Reading between your lines I would think you might say that your average rider may not notice much difference and that some of the designs and/or functionality are the same but you need to come down to ground if you think that makes them virtually the same bike. Whether you have some bias or not might be in question and your experience does not disqualify bias but everyone knows that bottom line you profit when you sell the bikes. Combine that with a sales pitch that experienced riders have difficulty believing and you can surely see how problems arise.

I don't understand why you need to go into those sort of comparisons anyway.

Why not just say it's a reliable bike that looks professionally finished and will still get the rider through the mucky stuff. It competently does everything the average trailrider needs but it doesn't come with a racing price tag or a racing high maintenance schedule leaving the rider more time to actually ride and more $$$ in their pocket. I am sure with your experience on the bikes you could elaborate more on a pitch like that but you can see it sounds realistic and believable. And if by chance it does happen to be every bit as good as a more expensive bike why not just let the word of mouth do the work for you?

Like this thread, you're not being forced to read this post but it would be good if you would consider that it may in fact contain reason and explaination rather than malice.

On a side note someone else complained about every disagreement being whinging - well would they rather have a bunch of lap dogs where everyone agrees with everyone else without question just because they don't want to appear as the whinger? :facepalm:

[cave weta]

Why not just say it's a reliable bike that looks professionally finished and will still get the rider through the mucky stuff. It competently does everything the average trailrider needs but it doesn't come with a racing price tag or a racing high maintenance schedule leaving the rider more time to actually ride and more $$$ in their pocket. I am sure with your experience on the bikes you could elaborate more on a pitch like that but you can see it sounds realistic and believable. And if by chance it does happen to be every bit as good as a more expensive bike why not just let the word of mouth do the work for you?



YES! brilliantly written. I wish I could write like that. - check your bling

[cave weta]

Some fair points there, but its no longer news. It was a month ago, now its you just going on and on about these bikes....

get your facts straight before you embarrass your self further.

Thread was started 8 days before you made your post- not 1 month.

I have not gone on and on since then about the bike- The first post contains the only bike related info
the entire thread has been filled with two or three people whinging and me saying "well if you dont like it - dont read it"

[Jay GTI]

What I don't understand, CW is that you are a businessman, who is already facing an uphill struggle trying to change the minds of ignorant "all Chinese bikes are crap" types, but luckily you have a good product to help you do so... however, as a representative for Forza and Pitster bikes, you seem to be missing that you are just as important to the reputation of those bikes as the quality of the welding or what ever.

It won't take much effort for a prospective customer to find their way on here, where they will find this thread, and this thread is not a particularly positive endorsement of you, or your bikes. You can attempt to justify your posts, you can belittle people who criticise you and tell us we're all wrong for doing so, but it is still not a positive approach from someone who is obviously investing a large sum of money in a product that is a relatively unknown in NZ.

My real concern is that if this continues down into a typical KB flame war, with the usual lurking idiots wading in with their barely intelligible drivel, it is going to have a real impact the reputation of you and your bikes and it is actually in all our interests that you succeed. You are selling products that are the perfect starter dirt bikes, so that Mr Average who has seen those trailer-loads of motocrossers heading out into the wap-waps and always thought that looked like fun, can actually have a go at a ridiculously reasonable price, on a solid, reliable bike. That's how we grow our community, gain more riding buddies, generate more revenue for the ride organisers and trail park owners, who in turn use that money to develop their facilities and rides... and we all get to directly benefit from your success!

I wish you all the success in the world, I do want to buy a bike off you (I really don't like the cheapness of the CRF) and I want the Forzas and Pitsters to finally silence those ignorants who can barely conceal their racism in the unfounded criticism of "Chinese" bikes. I just think in order for this to happen, you could spend some time sifting through the usual KB drivel and see if there is positive merit taking on board some of our complaints and changing your strategy for your benefit, rather than digging up pointless stats, talking about why you're qualified to express some at times questionable opinions and conveniently forgetting about all the other threads you've started about your bikes since you started selling them.

[cave weta]

It won't take much effort for a prospective customer to find their way on here, where they will find this thread, and this thread is not a particularly positive endorsement of you, or your bikes. .

Nice post!- bling sent. I do like how you have put this. You are so right- I have no right to compare Chinese bikes to good quality Japanese motorcycles. and as for standing up to the people who have red repped me and accused me of spamming the forums. I should be ashamed of myself! after all, a thread on the new Forza 230f and now this one on the PitsterPro is just blatant advertising!

I will sin bin myself for a month.

[green machine]

Nice post!- bling sent. I do like how you have put this. You are so right- I have no right to compare Chinese bikes to good quality Japanese motorcycles. and as for standing up to the people who have red repped me and accused me of spamming the forums. I should be ashamed of myself! after all, a thread on the new Forza 230f and now this one on the PitsterPro is just blatant advertising!

I will sin bin myself for a month.

Don't be ashamed of yourself CW,people just need to chill the f**k out,i've been on KB for years,and people that bitch and moan about the most trivial things always baffle me......i just can't understand what the big deal is.....i'm a KXF man and will probably never buy one of your bikes,that's not to say they wouldn't suit some people.......as i said earlier,stuff all happens on here these days and when something finally does it turns into a Banshee fight....mmmm maybe people are pissed off that the weather has ruined the holidays and venting on you CW.........

[paturoa]

I will sin bin myself for a month.

Perhaps you should just have a good spanking instead.

What warranty is there on the 230f?

[duckonin]

:drinkup::corn::yawn::corn::motu::whocares:

[nzspokes]

If I had a way to get my Forza copy out there today I would have been blasting around.

Probably getting in everybodys way..:(