Broadband or dialup?

[NordieBoy]

What are you all using?

[sil3nt]

Barely broadband. 600kbs download speed is slow these days.

[slofox]

Barely broadband. 600kbs download speed is slow these days.

I get 6.6Mbps here...and about 700k up.

[JATZ]

Barely broadband. 600kbs download speed is slow these days.

I got 50.6 Kb/s ATM :brick:

Ya learn to live with it :innocent:, and internet cafe's aren't far away for uploading big stuff

[Padmei]

I can remember the days of dial up about 5 years ago... was a techniclogical breakthru for me. Took about 5 minutes for breasts to appear

[SMOKEU]

Dialup doesn't even work at all for many websites these days.

[Jantar]

Dialup doesn't even work at all for many websites these days.
Yet there are still many parts of the country that can only get dial-up. I'm only 10 km out of town, yet neither Ihug nor Xtra will supply this far out. I am on broadband with Ihug, but it is marginal.

[sil3nt]

Dialup doesn't even work at all for many websites these days.Which is incredibly bad web design.

[NordieBoy]

Which is incredibly bad web design.

But alas, incredibly common :(

[NordieBoy]

Yet there are still many parts of the country that can only get dial-up. I'm only 10 km out of town, yet neither Ihug nor Xtra will supply this far out. I am on broadband with Ihug, but it is marginal.

I've got clients where the people next door have ADSL and 30 metres further down the road, they are out of range.

Then again, I've got clients 3km up a gravel road that've got more solid ADSL than I have in town.

One of the big issues is exchange overloading. I think that's Jatz'z issue too.

[JATZ]

I've got clients where the people next door have ADSL and 30 metres further down the road, they are out of range.

Then again, I've got clients 3km up a gravel road that've got more solid ADSL than I have in town.

One of the big issues is exchange overloading. I think that's Jatz'z issue too.

No :no: Our problem is the exchange is out of date. It needs upgrading but Telecom is to busy spending coin on advertising and making sure you can get cell coverage when your out fishing :brick:

[Grumph]

I can remember the days of dial up about 5 years ago... was a techniclogical breakthru for me. Took about 5 minutes for breasts to appear

At my age that sort of thing has to appear slowly......and unfortunately it does. 51kbs is it at present.

[Woodman]

I can remember the days of dial up about 5 years ago... was a techniclogical breakthru for me. Took about 5 minutes for breasts to appear

Took about 40 years for my breasts to appear.

[NordieBoy]

Took about 5 minutes for breasts to appear

Yeah, a fair bit of radiation from those old screens.

[ducatilover]

Broadband, between 6-10mbps
Why it isn't more consistent, I do not know. 'tis fast a fuck in my books anyway.

[Ocean1]

Broadband, between 6-10mbps
Why it isn't more consistent, I do not know. 'tis fast a fuck in my books anyway.

Mine was 2Mbps last night, now it's 48. I'm sure there's a reason for the inconsistency, but it's probably not a very good one.

[slofox]

http://www.speedtest.net/result/1670196504.png

This is at work. Less than a third of the home system. And yet there is little perceived difference between website load times.

Which just goes to show, even the biggest pipe in the world doesn't help if you are only running the garden hose into it.

[steve_t]

http://www.speedtest.net/result/1670196504.png

This is at work. Less than a third of the home system. And yet there is little perceived difference between website load times.

Which just goes to show, even the biggest pipe in the world doesn't help if you are only running the garden hose into it.

Probably a similar ping time

[slofox]

Probably a similar ping time

Actually, that is true come to think of it - both in the 30's IIRC. 32ms here and I'm pretty sure it was about that at home too.

[husaberg]

The download speed is 56Mbps I remember our old place was at time 18-26 kbs as well as being unreliable.
it is still slow compared to work though.

We had Farmside prior. but they were always changing the rules and when i questioned them about it they said tough. "we reserve the right to change rule when ever we feel like". I said great my contracts up i reserve the right to "tell you to piss off then".
We had a deal for a start that they would do the phone through it .Well it never for us. Or never worked as a few others who had tried it as well.
That was a few years ago though.They got shitty when i said i wasn't paying for that as well. I was without a phone for a month while Telecom and Farmside blamed each other.

Weird thing is Telecom always said broadband wouldn't work were we live then one day we called up and they offered it to us?

we are about 2 km from the cabinet.

[ducatilover]

Mine was 2Mbps last night, now it's 48. I'm sure there's a reason for the inconsistency, but it's probably not a very good one.
48??? :blink::shit:

[offrd]

As i posted elsewhere..

Broadband has been available for years to 100% of the country, i have installed in the most remote locations!

Can tell anyone that wants to know...

Just because your isp cant help does not mean no one can help.....

We even sent a unit to East Timor with the NZ defense force, worked perfectly...

Here is one http://maps.google.co.nz/?ll=-39.001...h&z=18&vpsrc=6

Another here http://maps.google.co.nz/?ll=-39.004...h&z=19&vpsrc=6

Some of the funny stories i've heard about 2kbps dial up that took the day to download standard email IF you did not get booted off.

Let some american check his hotmail here http://maps.google.co.nz/?ll=-39.277505,177.000883&spn=0.004676,0.009645&t=h&z=17&vpsrc=6 with a 230v inverter and a dish sitting on the ground, he was blown away!


Attachment is sitting in a campground in waipukarau checking my email and setting up systems for the next days installs.

Broadband in NZ aint ever going to be any good. The copper is just sooooo old! any bit of resistance, corrosion, water ingress all degrades the service. I have had huge fights with Chorus over my phone connection and broadband, ended up poor connection one after another and weeks of them trying to finally get it half decent.... I would dump the lot and go wireless if i did not live out of line of site....

One group i worked for at the university of waikato set up their own mesh type setup and we installed solar powered repeaters across the greater waikato, now that worked well! Pic attached of a build in progress that i did for them too...

Both attached, not embedded! lol

[JATZ]

And the cost is ???
I have looked at satelite BB, but the cost is mental :shit: seriously mental for a decent package

[offrd]

DON"T tell O S H:facepalm:

[offrd]

Satellite should be viewed as last option, wireless is cheaper. Depending on your location and line of site to any available POP if you are in sector..... Some satellite providers should not be touched with a barge pole!

Satellite is often more expensive as you rent the gear too or outright buy it. When i got out of installing i gave away about 8 full sets of gear i had lying around, 6 lots - brand new!

http://www.ruralinzone.co.nz/?q=content/plans
http://www.no8wireless.co.nz/
http://www.wirelessnation.co.nz/rural-broadband
http://www.wisprnet.co.nz/main.php

Wireless systems provided by Kordia seem to be full! no more room... Good business opportunity for someone there!

[offrd]

And the cost is ???
I have looked at satelite BB, but the cost is mental :shit: seriously mental for a decent package

You have to remember that a satellite is a finite resource that costs millions to put up, someone wants to recoup their investment, and then the ips wants to make money, in some cases the isp, leases to another isp so there is two slices out of your monthly!

Reasonable line of site to a neighbor with a point to point solution and shared internet bill would work well if a neighbour has a landline based broadband isp.
One satellite with backbone to many neighbors is possible too....

I think if you got your phone in over the internet via a satellite connection and cut your copper connection, monthly it wont cost much more than it would anyone in town for broadband and phone..... $90 a month for broadband and phone seems to be pretty normal in town...

One satellite install i did ran up 10 gig in the first night, family of Asian's watching internet tv and skyping home, we later shifted them to a wireless solution....

[superman]

You have to remember that a satellite is a finite resource that costs millions to put up, someone wants to recoup their investment, and then the ips wants to make money, in some cases the isp, leases to another isp so there is two slices out of your monthly!

Reasonable line of site to a neighbor with a point to point solution and shared internet bill would work well if a neighbour has a landline based broadband isp.
One satellite with backbone to many neighbors is possible too....

I think if you got your phone in over the internet via a satellite connection and cut your copper connection, monthly it wont cost much more than it would anyone in town for broadband and phone..... $90 a month for broadband and phone seems to be pretty normal in town...

One satellite install i did ran up 10 gig in the first night, family of Asian's watching internet tv and skyping home, we later shifted them to a wireless solution....

Satellite is absolutely terrible. The speed of light is not fast enough to travel the 70,000km so you get absolutely SHIIITE ping. 0.4-0.7 seconds!

Do not consider satellite if you ever want to play games online versing other players, do not consider satellite if you ever want to chat through skype online without a sweet lag.

Useful for downloading though. :innocent:

[offrd]

Satellite is absolutely terrible. The speed of light is not fast enough to travel the 70,000km so you get absolutely SHIIITE ping. 0.4-0.7 seconds!

Do not consider satellite if you ever want to play games online versing other players, do not consider satellite if you ever want to chat through skype online without a sweet lag.

Useful for downloading though. :innocent:

Latency vs nothing in many cases, its the end users choice... Its not possible to move the farm to the city to get broadband aye...

Gaming on line, get off your butt and go for a motorbike ride! LOL

Now what will the prices for rural fiber be? Few hundred thou to get the fiber past your gate, so lets see... $59.95 a meg should just about cover it! but low latency! LOL

[superman]

Latency vs nothing in many cases, its the end users choice... Its not possible to move the farm to the city to get broadband aye...

Gaming on line, get off your butt and go for a motorbike ride! LOL

Now what will the prices for rural fiber be? Few hundred thou to get the fiber past your gate, so lets see... $59.95 a meg should just about cover it! but low latency! LOL

Low latency is all I want! :laugh:

I live in rural Auckland, and get about 75ms to the east coast of Aussie. I know the point from me to the exchange will be the slowest, hence why to an Auckland server it's still 54ms. And if the download speed was nice enough to go above 1.3Mbps it would be nice.

But really shouldn't complain, it's all adequate enough at the moment for what I need.

There's no way I'd be gaming on a nice day, then it's the bike! But on a shitty day, it's nice to just sit back and show off my skills or lack thereof.

[Usarka]

Satellite is absolutely terrible. The speed of light is not fast enough to travel the 70,000km so you get absolutely SHIIITE ping. 0.4-0.7 seconds!


Is wired broadband faster than the speed of light?

[superman]

Is wired broadband faster than the speed of light?

Define faster.

You get a higher data speed with satellite, but you get a lower latency with a wired connection.

So if I use wired broadband to send a signal to Sydney, the cable transmits at almost the speed of light and the distance to cover is about 2200km.

If I used satellite broadband the signal is at the speed of light but has to travel over 70,000km to reach Sydney, ergo it takes far longer for the signal to reach Sydney. This is why when watching live satellite feeds on the news the reporter and anchors always have a tiny bit less than a second or so delay before responding and talking to eachother. The same happens when you're talking to friends overseas and you happen to get on a satellite connection, there's no way you'll be able to sing together over the phone.

[husaberg]

Is wired broadband faster than the speed of light?
no but it travels less distance

[thecharmed01]

ADSL2 here, wouldn't cope on dial up now I'm far too impatient!
I struggle relying on my cellphone LOL

[Oakie]

I can remember the days of dial up about 5 years ago... was a techniclogical breakthru for me. Took about 5 minutes for breasts to appear

And now you get 5 sets of breasts per minute...

[SMOKEU]

And now you get 5 sets of breasts per minute...

Or 2 girls and a cup.

[tri boy]

http://www.tepahu.co.nz/Broadband-Internet.aspx

Nice to know it's there when I finally get the shits with Chorus/T-scum.:eek:

[Winston001]

If I used satellite broadband the signal is at the speed of light but has to travel over 70,000km to reach Sydney, ergo it takes far longer for the signal to reach Sydney. This is why when watching live satellite feeds on the news the reporter and anchors always have a tiny bit less than a second or so delay before responding and talking to each other.

The delay is significant with a satellite and just to make things more fun, Special Relativity means time on the satellite is slower than on Earth. Try smoothly co-ordinating billions of kb/sec between different points on the planet's surface through a moving satellite which is running slow....its a miracle this stuff works at all. :Punk:

[superman]

The delay is significant with a satellite and just to make things more fun, Special Relativity means time on the satellite is slower than on Earth. Try smoothly co-ordinating billions of kb/sec between different points on the planet's surface through a moving satellite which is running slow....its a miracle this stuff works at all. :Punk:

Lol, packets don't require that high an accuracy especially given the way any dropped packets are resent. A year on a geosynchronous satellite even though it's travelling so fast is still only 1 second less than a year on the surface correct?

[jazfender]

Dialup doesn't even work at all for many websites these days.
Which is incredibly bad web design.

This comment would have been relevant in 2002.

[NordieBoy]

This comment would have been relevant in 2002.

That's right, there's no more bad web design...

[Usarka]

Ultra Fast Broadband rollout plan http://www.chorus.co.nz/fibre-rollout-map

If you're not in one of the main centres then it might be coming to a school near you! :lol:


Good to see all the needy Auckland suburbs like Remuera, St Heliers, Herne Bay and Ponsonby are all up first. I wonder where the government and chorus big wigs live :sherlock:

[jazfender]

That's right, there's no more bad web design...

Sites not running (or not running well) on a 56kb connection isn't primarily because of bad web design.

[Edbear]

Define faster.

You get a higher data speed with satellite, but you get a lower latency with a wired connection.

So if I use wired broadband to send a signal to Sydney, the cable transmits at almost the speed of light and the distance to cover is about 2200km.

If I used satellite broadband the signal is at the speed of light but has to travel over 70,000km to reach Sydney, ergo it takes far longer for the signal to reach Sydney. This is why when watching live satellite feeds on the news the reporter and anchors always have a tiny bit less than a second or so delay before responding and talking to eachother. The same happens when you're talking to friends overseas and you happen to get on a satellite connection, there's no way you'll be able to sing together over the phone.

This may be a good thing...

[NordieBoy]

Sites not running (or not running well) on a 56kb connection isn't primarily because of bad web design.

Just targeted at a different audience.

The Kiwibiker homepage is 270Kb.
Xtra is 2.9Mb...
Stuff is 750kb.

[Night Falcon]

Reading the poll results from this thread gives me a great idea....

We should all be made to drive at 80kph on long straight roads despite driving modern vehicles with state of the art breaking and safety features because we also share the roads with slower/older vehicles. :weird: or we could adopted the Cuban way of life, Cigar smoking, Jazz music and 1950's technology :banana: becasue the cost or availability of modern techology is to high for 4% of our population. Feel the love brothers & sisters:hug:

[Jantar]

Reading the poll results from this thread gives me a great idea....

We should all be made to drive at 80kph on long straight roads despite driving modern vehicles with state of the art breaking and safety features because we also share the roads with slower/older vehicles. :weird: ........

Not a very good analogy at all. If someoneis driving an older slower vehicle at 80 km, you can pass them, but it won't affect their performance. If someone on dialup opens a thread with large embedded content that only took you seconds to upload, they either have to close out of that thread and not read any of it, or sit for a long time waiting. I recall one thread I tried to keep up with when I was on dial-up that took hours to load.