Cemetery Circuit Prize Giving

[suzuki21]

Hopefully next year the farm bike riders will keep their pissed mates quiet and show some respect to the riders that want to thank who got them there.

[White trash]

That's a bit disrespectful. Surely it wasn't the whole chook chaser crew involved though?

[Shaun]

There are NO public/customers/punters there any way, so who gives a fuk

[Matt Bleck]

to be fair the PA wasn't the best... but yeah poor form

[yungatart]

Respect? Your fucken kidding me...I saw precious little of it yesterday...
people having a cook up on somebody's grave, another drunk 1%er dumping all his empty beer cans in to somebody else's grave, people walking all over graves..

I must be getting old and grumpy, because there is no way in hell, I would ever do that, have ever done that or would ever condone it.

Why should racers be any different to the general public?

[Ivan]

also respect cutting our final race for the day when we had decent numbers why couldnt you combine us with modern sidecars as there was only 4 of those left out there and 14 of us classics

My pilot had payed the same ammount of money as any other class out there and we got sent home early real respect

[Kickaha]

why couldnt you combine us with modern sidecars
Because after the fatality at Paeroa MNZ say you can't mix the classes
(and there were 8 moderns for the last one)

Going by previous years I really doubt they give a shit about any classes except F1 & F2

[Ivan]

Because after the fatality at Paeroa MNZ say you can't mix the classes
(and there were 8 moderns for the last one)

Going by previous years I really doubt they give a shit about any classes except F1 & F2

Yeah well that was kind of the point I was meaning I love F1 and F2 but I think if all riders are paying the same entry they should all have equal rights to the track also 4 was a number off the top of my head i saw the tv screen and it looked like there was four in the race so I gathered thats how many were left not picking up a fuss with the modern sidecars either just think its bullshit how one class got miss treated there was no official meeting or anything just the first I knew was the transponder people coming to take our transponders pretty bullshit really

[MSTRS]

While we're bitching...
I have to say that it was the worst-run race meeting I've ever been to. Long delays that appeared to have no reason, 10.50 kick-off that became 12.30, more delays, siren-playing Kizashi blatting round and round, quad-bike marshal no helmet for much of the day and going WRONG WAY ON A LIVE TRACK.
I hear that's 2 years in a row of such bullshit? Wasn't there last year and prolly won't bother next.

[Kickaha]

While we're bitching...
I have to say that it was the worst-run race meeting I've ever been to. Long delays that appeared to have no reason, 10.50 kick-off that became 12.30, more delays, siren-playing Kizashi blatting round and round, quad-bike marshal no helmet for much of the day and going WRONG WAY ON A LIVE TRACK.
I hear that's 2 years in a row of such bullshit? Wasn't there last year and prolly won't bother next.

Last time I raced there was three years ago and it was like that to, that's a big part of why we don't bother with it now

[Deano]

There are NO public/customers/punters there any way, so who gives a fuk

Were you there Shaun ?

I think the riders, their familes and supporters gave a fuck actually. The PA system could have been better but when it was quiet we could hear no problem. Would have been nice for everyone to show enough respect to hear the thank you's etc from the racers.

Oh - and 'some' sidecar racers might think they're big, tough and scary, but maybe they're just rude :bleh:

Also, a lot of the delays are down to some racers trying too hard into turn 1. Yes, it is important to get to turn 1 fast and ahead of others, but you still have to make it round the corner eh...

[Sensei]

Have being going to Cemetery for 31ys , haven't missed one yet .... $5 was the charge back in 1980 & the racing was full on all day long , you couldn't move in the infield it's self not to mention getting to the trackside ... now 31ys on $30 this time , but has being $35 before ... racing consistencey to be blunt was just Crap , I think there was a crash every race stopping the event for even longer , lunch break delayed to about 2pm ? The crew decided enough at just after 3pm as yet another stoppage had happend .... Next year I think I will invest money my $120 + for the day into a ride out of town for the day ....

[Ivan]

overall I enjoyed my time on track just think theres a few things need sorting, I for one will be writing a letter to the organisers regarding marshell training yes thank you your volunteers but I think there needs to be a basic training for fire extinguisher use,

I am a fire fighter along with 3 others in the post classic sidecars and we stopped to sort the fire out as the people did not know how to use extinguishers and the problem being without training when it turns to shit like that you panic and fumble there needs to be a basic standered I think of fire extinguisher type training as when they did get them going they were spreading the fire not actually extinguishing it. Once again Thank you for your time I just think organisers at such a big event with alot of dry fuels so close and a big area with spectators so close could lead to a potentially big fire, as the organisers slowed down and stood back and said dont worry the fire bregades on its way well thats fine and dandy but doesnt mean that you have to stop attempting to prevent it spreading and damaging more property.

Like I say I will be writing a letter to the organisers and any other club officials reading this from other clubs its something to keep in the back of your mind it doesnt take much to do a quick training session on extinguishers and you will be surprised its more than pulling the pin and squirting it

[BIG DOUG]

Well I've been going for 42 years in a row and have to agree it was a long day and it was the first Time I have left early.I was talking to a solo rider who said they should get the sidecar boys who run taupo to run it as he said it the taupo meeting was one of the better meetings he had been to,and for fuck's sake shaun I'm sure if you where up there trying to thank your sponsors you would be bleating + whining like a little girl about the noise as well.

[Bikemad]

i know nothing of the prize giving but from a spectator point of view would like to say a big thanks to the guys racing......despite the delays.........shit happens........you riders put on a hell of a show...............on the down side..........P/A was shit some or most places round the track.......not enough bigscreens..........and can't say i enjoy the company of the local pissed as idiot tweenies everywhere...........i reckon they should clean up the piss drinkin a bit.......i don't know if i'm goin next year

[Billy]

Well I've been going for 42 years in a row and have to agree it was a long day and it was the first Time I have left early.I was talking to a solo rider who said they should get the sidecar boys who run taupo to run it as he said it the taupo meeting was one of the better meetings he had been to,and for fuck's sake shaun I'm sure if you where up there trying to thank your sponsors you would be bleating + whining like a little girl about the noise as well.

To be fair,Running a street circuit is a completely different animal than a closed circuit,There is so much more involved in running on the streets that anybody whos run a glorified club day on a closed circuit successfully would easily be out of their depth,Also I thought these same guys did an excellent job of the previous 2 rounds at Hampton Downs and Manfeild,In over 40 years of competing I have attended a number of meetings that seemed to go pearshaped from the outset and they werent always on street circuits and some of them were run by the most experienced people in the country,There were a number of variables that could have caused the numerous hold ups yesterday,Shit happens,Deal with it!!!I suppose we could all get behind these guys as Ivan has suggested and try and help them out and thank them for the things they got right and the fact they ran a 3 round series and nobody was killed!!!Or not,What was I thinking,This is Kiwibiker,Home of the Kiwi pessimist.

Oh and as for the original reason for the thread,Ive been to many a prizegiving where BB was loud and obnoxious and as your on his team Steve,Im assuming Dan was unable to thank his sponsors and thats what your unhappy about???Ever heard the saying "What goes around,Comes around"????

[speights_bud]

firstly my apologies for being tied up in the Red flag starting Race 1 in F3, unfortunately the rider inside of me decided he wanted to head straight into the bottle bags instead of around the corner and i was in his way, I'm just happy to have nothing more than a few bruises and no damage beyond duct tape repair so i could make Race 2. Accidents happen throughout the day and we have to expect delays from them. Might i add F3 race 1 was also shortened to 6laps from 8.

My 2c,

To be honest i don't know how the event normally runs as it was my first time as a competitor, but i really felt it was pretty shoddy.

As a cemetery circuit Virgin i lined up on the dummy grid with all the others to do our sighting laps, once the track was finally cleared for us, about 5-10mins of sitting on the grid with us 2-strokes starting to overheat so we'd shut down, thought we were good to go, so started up again, then the 'lead rider' with his hi-vis vest on can't start his motard??? we now spend another 15mins waiting while they push him around trying to start it, then different people trying to kick start it, and then someone pushes him back up pit lane trying to start it again and eventually someone runs back into the pits and gets another rider and he comes over and starts the bike! you'd think they'd just get another bike from anywhere nearby or let us chase the pace car around or something, that circus chewed up a good 20-30mins before we'd even got started....

The PA system in the pits was a heap of crap, we kept getting intermittent calls, and the person behind the Microphone didn't seem to know what was going on later in the day, and like ivan said we wouldn't have known if our class had been canceled, i was waiting for F3 Race 2, and i wasn't sure if we were even going to get a race.

Glad i did Wanga's just to say i have, track really was a lot of fun & i was definitely not the fastest person out there. But woulda loved to get some more time in a really Nail the esses. But at the end of the day it was alot of money to get 20mins of track time for 10 hours of waiting.... i wont be back as a competitor anytime soon.

[Paul in NZ]

Sigh! I can't figure out why I didnt bother taking my grandsons up eh?

[Grumph]

Billie's right - shit happens. like him I've been to - and worked at - a lot of street circuit meetings over the years.
Some years are great - some years just seem fated to be fuckups.
i wasn't at wanganui - haven't been for some years but it sounds like nothing has changed.

Wyndham this year was from what's been posted here very similar - lot of crashes and a fire too...I hope this isn't going to be one of those seasons where a lot of riders leave the brain in the toolbox.....

Ultimately the organisers are at the mercy of the riders - you can plan for any contingency but some dipshit will find a new way to fuck up your programme. I must admit though that the pilot rider for novice groups being unable to start his bike is pretty much a new low.

[Shaun]

Oh and as for the original reason for the thread,Ive been to many a prizegiving where BB was loud and obnoxious and as your on his team Steve,Im assuming Dan was unable to thank his sponsors and thats what your unhappy about???Ever heard the saying "What goes around,Comes around"????


Originally Posted by BIG DOUG
.I was talking to a solo rider who said they should get the sidecar boys who run taupo to run it as he said it the taupo meeting was one of the better meetings he had been to,and for fuck's sake shaun I'm sure if you where up there trying to thank your sponsors you would be bleating + whining like a little girl about the noise as well.



The awnser is above your post Big Doug!!!! Not BB bleating like a little girl, just steve bleating as per usual

[Shaun]

The running of Wanganui has been fuked since the day Barbara lett was removed

[Ivan]

I have since emailed them and suggest other people do if you have a opinion on things they could improve etc, If we all just have our say on here and not to them they dont actually know how we feel and think everything went fine,

Like I say overall the time on track we got I loved every minute of it,
But there was a few things I noticed that needed attention I emailed them about fire extinguishers and I think this is really a valid point for every motor cycle club in New Zealand we have the things there but when we actually need them do we know how to use them? Like I say its not hard to pull all the marshells aside first thing in the morning and give them a quick run down on it as you should also give the extinguisher a test shot before hitting the fire

[Tink]

While we're bitching...
I have to say that it was the worst-run race meeting I've ever been to. Long delays that appeared to have no reason, 10.50 kick-off that became 12.30, more delays, siren-playing Kizashi blatting round and round, quad-bike marshal no helmet for much of the day and going WRONG WAY ON A LIVE TRACK.
I hear that's 2 years in a row of such bullshit? Wasn't there last year and prolly won't bother next.

Twas only my 2nd CC and the first blew my mind, loved it, managed to get back two years later (kids)... and mightily disappointed with how much I pulled my book out to read due to boredom, arrived a t 9.30 left at 5.45... so addicted to the racing, but the wait was just too long. I will be back, but I hope it improves, Maxine S. said the marshalls took too long to get to the classic sidecars... when on fire... are hay bales used a lot... quite scary how quick they burned. :(

[cowpoos]

also respect cutting our final race for the day when we had decent numbers why couldnt you combine us with modern sidecars as there was only 4 of those left out there and 14 of us classics

My pilot had payed the same ammount of money as any other class out there and we got sent home early real respect


Because after the fatality at Paeroa MNZ say you can't mix the classes
(and there were 8 moderns for the last one)

Going by previous years I really doubt they give a shit about any classes except F1 & F2

don't spill oil on the track and ruin it for everyone else!! or don't whinge!!

[tri boy]

The running of Wanganui has been fuked since the day Barbara lett was removed

Baps was a legend. Even Cosford could wrangle a show together.
Personally, I don't bother going anymore.
Hope it gets better in the years to come for everyones sake.:yes:

[Ivan]

don't spill oil on the track and ruin it for everyone else!! or don't whinge!!

All fine and well if we were the only class to that I know the solo classes had bikes dropping oil and lots of it so thats not a excuse and to not get an offical word from the organisers they had dropped our class is fucken bullshit to be honest

[Mom]

Didn't attend. Have not heard directly from anyone who did. Always read the racing forums to see what "really happened" before I see it on TV.

Reading some of these comments saddens me. Cemetry Ciruit, Boxing Day Races is a flag ship event for NZ Motorcycling Racing. Well at least it is one of the only times the general public get to be enticed to go along for a looksee at Motorcycling racing if they are not "INTO" it.

Roll on Paeroa!

[cowpoos]

All fine and well if we were the only class to that I know the solo classes had bikes dropping oil and lots of it so thats not a excuse and to not get an offical word from the organisers they had dropped our class is fucken bullshit to be honest

errrr.....I was trying for a wind up....was looking for a bite....wasn't really looking for a serious reply.

well valid reply it was though! :)

[Ivan]

errrr.....I was trying for a wind up....was looking for a bite....wasn't really looking for a serious reply.

well valid reply it was though! :)

Can never tell whos serious or not on here hard to tell in writing,

[Ivan]

Didn't attend. Have not heard directly from anyone who did. Always read the racing forums to see what "really happened" before I see it on TV.

Reading some of these comments saddens me. Cemetry Ciruit, Boxing Day Races is a flag ship event for NZ Motorcycling Racing. Well at least it is one of the only times the general public get to be enticed to go along for a looksee at Motorcycling racing if they are not "INTO" it.

Roll on Paeroa!

I believe it was still a good day for the crowds it was abit behind with things but overall you have to expect that theres no room for error really so when you do stuff up it tends to be a bit worse and need a clean up

I think the people spectators and all need to send the organisers an email and let them know what you think needs improving cause like I say without anyone telling them they aint going to know

[Ocean1]

I believe it was still a good day for the crowds it was abit behind with things but overall you have to expect that theres no room for error really so when you do stuff up it tends to be a bit worse and need a clean up

I think the people spectators and all need to send the organisers an email and let them know what you think needs improving cause like I say without anyone telling them they aint going to know

I enjoyed the day, but the waiting was a bit tedious. I couldn't understand a word of what was on the PA so the post-race winners’ interviews seemed particularly pointless as the day got further and further behind. What disappointed me most was seeing marshals and race officials arguing heatedly on three separate occasions.

It must be bloody hard managing such a circus, but if there was a plan then it obviously wasn’t working well on the day. Maybe the programme has to have 15min built into every second race for cleanups and either cut the number of races to fit the day or start 2 hours earlier.

[Kickaha]

well valid reply it was though! :)

Here's my valid reply, fuck off cock :finger:

Did you ring Andrew and have a word with him about leaking oil at one of the other rounds?

[MOTOXXX]

I must say i do enjoy Wanganui and had a good time this year (apart from being taken out in the second F3 race by some fucker who doesnt know how to use his brakes. i havent raced for a few years there. I cant remember having to wait for so long.

I dont know if it was the organisors, all the crashes and oil spills or a combination of both but the day did run a couple hours behind. Every race i was in was red flagged.
I was in the pits most of the time so didnt really know what was happening.

the ONE thing that got me annoyed was being called out to the dummy grid and then sitting for 15 minutes doing nothing. For some stupid reason the TV cameras decided to interview the winners of some of the races right by the train tracks (in front of the dummy grid) and we couldnt be let out until they had finished and were moved clear of the track..

The PA system could also be improved next year.

im not ranting but it sure was a long but fun day.

[BMWST?]

it is the nature od street circuits.Every crash will involve some cleaning up if not rebuilding of hay beales ,barriers etc.Its hard work for all concerned.

[Grant`]

Well that was second CC I have ever been to so not much to compare it to (spectator not racing) other than the previous time I attended which was 2009.

This time around, I have to say was not as enjoyable by a long shot, although the racing was fantastic as always (when people were not getting hurt) big ups to all the racers out there going for it, mad respect.

The commentator seemed to be more interested in talking about 2girls 1cup and 'you turban' instead of youtube trying to be funny, while most of the crowd was trying to figure out what the fuck had gone on and why there was so many delays taking place and/or what the delay was.

Guy on the quad bike riding up and down the and around and around with no helmet on and then going the wrong way around the track - not to mention forklifts also going wrong way on track. I only question this after the 2009 event commentator stated quite clearly it was unprecedented emergancy which called for ambulance to be allowed to go wrong way around track to collect injured rider.

Ambulances going out around the track, but no explanation from comentators as to why another delay was taking place and the amount of redflags stopping races seemed phenomenal, seemed to be automatic red flag for any incident and I am sure it wasn't that bad last time I was there.

Interview on the race track was great being that I was in the superpass area and it was right where I was sitting, but it was still on a live racetrack and with the next group of riders going out, possibly would of been more appropriate being in the pit area or off the track?

Also what i saw in the centre area and some of the disrespect people paid to the grave sites, if that was my family in there I would be calling for a ban to people being allowed to have it as a viewing area for the racing it was just disgraceful.

Can understand that stuff goes wrong, ultimately things don't always go the way we planned them, but after 59 years of running this event, I would of thought that there would be some sort of well oiled smoothness to the event and more bloody rubbish bins there couldn't have been many more than 10 around the entire course or they were fucking well hidden.

[Maha]

Sounds like a fun time.
There always Paeroa to look forward to...:cool:

[roogazza]

The running of Wanganui has been fuked since the day Barbara lett was removed


Baps was a legend. Even Cosford could wrangle a show together.
Personally, I don't bother going anymore.
Hope it gets better in the years to come for everyones sake.:yes:

They were great years, we're lucky to have had them but hey nothing is forever.
Haven't bothered for 10 years (and I was mad on Street Meetings), prefer my own rides these days.

[vinducati]

Street racing is a hard event to put on.
I avoid going these days as because of the delays, oil spills, and drunks.
Also I find that for me there are to many classes.
But I realise it is the entry fee of a lot of those other classes that makes the event possible.
Plus the fact that a lot of the top riders missing from F1 and F2 make it a bit of a 2 or 3 horse race.
It is however a tradition that should not be lost.
But I think some thought should be given to making it a better show for the fans.
I would like to see an alcohol ban at street events or a area which the drunks are confined to.

[MSTRS]

To be fair,Running a street circuit is a completely different animal than a closed circuit,There is so much more involved in running on the streets that anybody whos run a glorified club day on a closed circuit successfully would easily be out of their depth,Also I thought these same guys did an excellent job of the previous 2 rounds at Hampton Downs and Manfeild,In over 40 years of competing I have attended a number of meetings that seemed to go pearshaped from the outset and they werent always on street circuits and some of them were run by the most experienced people in the country,There were a number of variables that could have caused the numerous hold ups yesterday,Shit happens,Deal with it!!!I suppose we could all get behind these guys as Ivan has suggested and try and help them out and thank them for the things they got right and the fact they ran a 3 round series and nobody was killed!!!Or not,What was I thinking,This is Kiwibiker,Home of the Kiwi pessimist.

Oh and as for the original reason for the thread,Ive been to many a prizegiving where BB was loud and obnoxious and as your on his team Steve,Im assuming Dan was unable to thank his sponsors and thats what your unhappy about???Ever heard the saying "What goes around,Comes around"????

To be fair - you are partly right.
Street vs track = 2 totally different animals. Trackside officials/marshals are the eyes and ears for Race Control on a street circuit, I understand that, and the red flag calls must be a little harder to get right. There were a few to be sure and TBH I don't begrudge any of them (I'd have made the same call) since a crashed bike and rider is unlikely to be out of harm's way. There were 2 incidents on 'our' corner, which were dealt with tout suite, but there was no understanding of why it took 15/20 minutes to get under way again once cleaned up.
As for no deaths - yep, but to be fair, that is more down to luck and the riders themselves, not the organisers. However, you of all people would be horrified to see a helmetless quaddie out on a live track and going the wrong way as well. I can't imagine the fallout, had a rider run into him. I had a word with the radio marshal on our corner about it, asked him to have race control sort it. I don't know whether he did, but his reaction to my concern said heaps. Said quaddie did eventually wear a helmet, and the whole crowd cheered for that, but it was several hours/incidents later.

[RobGassit]

Racing was good. Organization was a complete CLUSTER FUCK!

[Katman]

Reading some of these comments saddens me. Cemetry Ciruit, Boxing Day Races is a flag ship event for NZ Motorcycling Racing. Well at least it is one of the only times the general public get to be enticed to go along for a looksee at Motorcycling racing if they are not "INTO" it.



If you watch video footage of the event from 30 years ago you could be forgiven for thinking the general public aren't even aware of the event these days. Trackside used to be jam packed once upon a time. I was shocked to see the amount of empty spectator space this year.

[MSTRS]

If you watch video footage of the event from 30 years ago you could be forgiven for thinking the general public aren't even aware of the event these days. Trackside used to be jam packed once upon a time. I was shocked to see the amount of empty spectator space this year.

People don't want to pay $30 to watch the organisers amusing themselves?

[Robert Taylor]

I think its blindingly obvious that for many many reasons ( not only the many delays in this event and people voting with their feet ) street racing will run its course in NZ. Paeroa in particular worries me and god forbid no-one wants to see a repeat of what happened at Le Mans in the late fifties when a Mercedes race car went through a section of crowd like a broom. To this day the ramifications of that tragedy include a ban on motor racing in Switzerland.

[Robert Taylor]

To be fair,Running a street circuit is a completely different animal than a closed circuit,There is so much more involved in running on the streets that anybody whos run a glorified club day on a closed circuit successfully would easily be out of their depth,Also I thought these same guys did an excellent job of the previous 2 rounds at Hampton Downs and Manfeild,In over 40 years of competing I have attended a number of meetings that seemed to go pearshaped from the outset and they werent always on street circuits and some of them were run by the most experienced people in the country,There were a number of variables that could have caused the numerous hold ups yesterday,Shit happens,Deal with it!!!I suppose we could all get behind these guys as Ivan has suggested and try and help them out and thank them for the things they got right and the fact they ran a 3 round series and nobody was killed!!!Or not,What was I thinking,This is Kiwibiker,Home of the Kiwi pessimist.

Oh and as for the original reason for the thread,Ive been to many a prizegiving where BB was loud and obnoxious and as your on his team Steve,Im assuming Dan was unable to thank his sponsors and thats what your unhappy about???Ever heard the saying "What goes around,Comes around"????

Well said Billy and yes it has got to be a nightmare running such a meeting. Certainly though I agree with Shaun in respect of Barbara Lett, she ran a tight ship and nobody messed with her, or with Errol Conaghan. The drunks that were present should have been ex-communicated out of the meeting.
I noted the hypocrisy as well.

[Kickaha]

I think its blindingly obvious that for many many reasons ( not only the many delays in this event and people voting with their feet ) street racing will run its course in NZ.

While it doesn't have the wank factor of Wangas I find Greymouth a far better event from both a Spectator and competitor point of veiw, more racing , less delays

[denill]

god forbid no-one wants to see a repeat of what happened at Le Mans in the late fifties when a Mercedes race car went through a section of crowd like a broom.

That went through my head as I (nervously) stood behind the netting fence on the main straight. I must say I mostly watched the bikes (and specially the sidechairs) coming towards me, rather than going away.

It's just sheer bloody good luck........................

[suzuki21]

To be fair,Running a street circuit is a completely different animal than a closed circuit,There is so much more involved in running on the streets that anybody whos run a glorified club day on a closed circuit successfully would easily be out of their depth,Also I thought these same guys did an excellent job of the previous 2 rounds at Hampton Downs and Manfeild,In over 40 years of competing I have attended a number of meetings that seemed to go pearshaped from the outset and they werent always on street circuits and some of them were run by the most experienced people in the country,There were a number of variables that could have caused the numerous hold ups yesterday,Shit happens,Deal with it!!!I suppose we could all get behind these guys as Ivan has suggested and try and help them out and thank them for the things they got right and the fact they ran a 3 round series and nobody was killed!!!Or not,What was I thinking,This is Kiwibiker,Home of the Kiwi pessimist.

Oh and as for the original reason for the thread,Ive been to many a prizegiving where BB was loud and obnoxious and as your on his team Steve,Im assuming Dan was unable to thank his sponsors and thats what your unhappy about???Ever heard the saying "What goes around,Comes around"????

I wasnt worried about Dan he's a big boy, I was more pissed off that the young fullas couldnt be heard.

[Robert Taylor]

That went through my head as I (nervously) stood behind the netting fence on the main straight. I must say I mostly watched the bikes (and specially the sidechairs) coming towards me, rather than going away.

It's just sheer bloody good luck........................

Yes, if this act is not cleaned up it will take but one multi fatality for street racing to be closed down permanently in NZ. That is the big fear.

[Shaun]

Yes, if this act is not cleaned up it will take but one multi fatality for street racing to be closed down permanently in NZ. That is the big fear.





it is now the modern PC world, and street racing is just about finished

[Grumph]

it is now the modern PC world, and street racing is just about finished

Well, maybe shaun...you've seen how popular it still is in the south island. I agree though, one spectator fatality and it's all over...

IMO the small circuits like Methven are still viable but some of the older ones are getting pretty fast with modern big bikes.
This was all thrashed over pretty thoroughly last year on here so lets not repeat it.

again IMO it may be time to limit street circuits to a maximum of 600's....at least in the moderns.

[Ivan]

the thing is tho the 600's aint much slower than the thous around there so that aint going to matter, I think we all know the risks involved in street racing when we enter it but that aint going to help the nazi's shutting it down if something does go wrong,

I for one dont want to see it to end I think the organisers are doing a pretty decent job running what they have got going but there are some things they need to work on

[denill]

I for one dont want to see it to end I think the organisers are doing a pretty decent job running what they have got going but there are some things they need to work on

Yeah and Shaun was right when he said it's not a PC circuit. But after being at Bruno without binoculars in August Wanganui was refreshingly live motor racing.

[vinducati]

Political Correctness is not really the term to use.

Political correctness (adjectivally, politically correct; both forms commonly abbreviated to PC) is a term which denotes language, ideas, policies, and behavior seen as seeking to minimize social and institutional offense in occupational, gender, racial, cultural, sexual orientation, certain other religions, beliefs or ideologies, disability, and age-related contexts, and, as purported by the term, doing so to an excessive extent.

It's about liability in the event of injury or death.
Basically if a spectator is killed then someone will be held liable.
I am pretty sure that means whoever runs the meeting.
If I go, I accept the danger but i understand it.
But basically I find tight street circuits a bit dull.
The Isle of Man now that is different.
I am not saying ban it, I believe in freedom of choice when it comes to these things.

Cheers

[vinducati]

This could be the answer:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/vietnam/8931216/Vietnam-police-use-fishing-nets-to-capture-motorbike-street-racers.html

[cowpoos]

it is now the modern PC world, and street racing is just about finished

Nah....grids had plenty of riders....had a bad run this year...I doubt organisers won't learn from it. the biggest issuse is where are the spectators??? from what people are saying??

[bikaholic]

Travelled up to see wangas for another year, big lag between races, but well worth $30 for a full days entertainment (that's a fraction of the cost of actually being there).
No doubt a whole bunch of KB wingers will whine on whether they were there or not, that is up to them.
I will be there again next year.

[hotchef]

My first time back in 5 years - must say crowd numbers down, more pissed wanabes than i cared for, delays in racing were annoying but still saw what i went for - good entertainment, close racing and closer to the action than you get anywhere else.
Impressed with the riders - but also agree with alot of the negative comments.

[Robert Taylor]

My first time back in 5 years - must say crowd numbers down, more pissed wanabes than i cared for, delays in racing were annoying but still saw what i went for - good entertainment, close racing and closer to the action than you get anywhere else.
Impressed with the riders - but also agree with alot of the negative comments.

Numbers being down are for several reasons;

1) The economy. Affecting not only riders / teams but also spectators. Money from distributors is not flowing as freely as it was 3-4 years back, in some cases virtually nothing at all. The world economy is much to blame but also I blame others for having their snouts very firmly in the feeding trough sucking as much out as they could when money was flowing. Value recieved was in fact very poor relative to expenditure and theres a lesson there to be taken stock of, no grandiose teams with mutiple rider numbers.

2) Many top riders stayed away because of a bigger picture of being ''fighting fit'' for the NZ champs about to begin. Those that attended and were in a position to win championships likely didnt take it right to the edge, given that a mistake on a street circuit can be deadly, and costly for NZ championship aspirations. I can vouch for that from conversaton with Glen Skatchill, Dennis Charlett and Karen Stroud who hates her husband racing in such an environment.
Another top 600 rider in a position to win the Tri Series was offered free entry to race there but he used his head rather than his heart.

3) Other top riders are more and more opting not to race at the street meetings because the danger is that much greater than on a purpose built course with much better safeguards. For that you cannot blame them

4) ??????? etc

The spectacle is indeed awesome but as I stated earlier I really fear the day that a multiple specator fatality could occur because there is little protection other than stakes and flimsy chicken wire

[slowpoke]

Seems to be one of those so close and yet so far kind of events.

There was a good opportunity with Rennie Scaysbrook making the journey, and it will be interesting to hear/read his perspective in the Oz bike rag(s). I've never been a big fan of his writing but from his results I've got a new respect for his riding: great effort for a first timer journo I reckon.

Also seems to be a pity not to co-ordinate the NZSBK and Tri-Series events a lil' better as the clash was obvious as soon as the calendar was released. But to be fair Boxing Day isn't exactly transferable, and the NZSBK organisers are trying to do their best for scheduling that event as well so there is no real right or wrong....just awkwardness. Such is life.

It sounds like there was a bit of a changing of the guard with the organisers this year? Leighton's off playing in the mud pools with his lil' Briggs and Stratton powered tinny? Hopefully this baptism of fire stands the new crew in good stead for next year.

But after all the F1/BEAR's/S1000RR/HP2 palava where the fuck was Choppa? Jeeeesus, talk about cock-tease!

[Marknz]

from the perspective of someone whom entered but missed out on racing by a poomfteenth of a second...

A bloody good event ruined simply by:

a) a good meaning vollie who couldn't start their bike to take us newbies/virgins out on our sighting session... that held up the start by a good 15-20mins. Maybe next time he/she should have a push-button bike rather than than the Motard they were trying to kick-over and jump start unsuccessfully.

b) solos and side-chairs crashing. Whether it be the heat getting to everyone, or the red-mist, or lack of ability or what... there were just too many crashes during the day (qualifying & racing) and it made it very difficult for the organisors to keep to schedule.

In one capacity or another, I/we will be back for the 60th Anni meeting in 2012.

Cheers
Mark

[Crasherfromwayback]

b) solos and side-chairs crashing. Whether it be the heat getting to everyone, or the red-mist, or lack of ability or what... there were just too many crashes during the day (qualifying & racing) and it made it very difficult for the organisors to keep to schedule.



Yeah what is it with these people??? Calm the fuck down and bring it home in one piece!!! So many fucking useless dickheads getting in WAY too hot into turn one etc.

[CHOPPA]

But after all the F1/BEAR's/S1000RR/HP2 palava where the fuck was Choppa? Jeeeesus, talk about cock-tease!

I didnt want to support the event

[Ivan]

Yeah what is it with these people??? Calm the fuck down and bring it home in one piece!!! So many fucking useless dickheads getting in WAY too hot into turn one etc.


Ill be honest I think it was the 115% cut off really scared everyone and people rode past there limits panicing they had payed big money to race and were going to go home and over tryed

[Kickaha]

and it made it very difficult for the organisors to keep to schedule.
Didn't it also start late? or was it just the crashes that got it so far behind time?

[Crasherfromwayback]

Ill be honest I think it was the 115% cut off really scared everyone and people rode past there limits panicing they had payed big money to race and were going to go home and over tryed

Yeah well a street circuit is the last place on earth you should be allowed to race if you're way off the pace.

[Bikemad]

it started over an hour and a half late mainly due to a classic sidecar crash in practice resulting in a fire.......took them a while to put it out and replace burnt haybales..........there was a couple of other spills in practice from memory i think but didnt seem to take as long to sort out as the chair crash..........then there were a number of first turn pileups in the racing which slowed events down somewhat............still loved the racing when it was running

[Ivan]

Yeah well a street circuit is the last place on earth you should be allowed to race if you're way off the pace.

Yeah I know that but the way it was brought up I think put more added pressure onto people and people were freaking about it not knowing if they were quick enough I heard one guy say at riders breifing he may as well pack up now as he had no show against the fast guys but came to learn from them so I think people like that had added pressure of knowing they were racing with stroud etc and pushed that bit harder trying to get a good lap and bam

[Crasherfromwayback]

I heard one guy say at riders breifing he may as well pack up now as he had no show against the fast guys but came to learn from them so I think people like that had added pressure of knowing they were racing with stroud etc and pushed that bit harder trying to get a good lap and bam

If they're racing superbikes especially...they fucking well should know better by now. It's dangerous enough round there without having to the share the track with morons.

[Deano]

Ill be honest I think it was the 115% cut off really scared everyone and people rode past there limits panicing they had payed big money to race and were going to go home and over tryed

Not in F3 - we had both races red flagged because of incidents at T1.

[cowpoos]

from the perspective of someone whom entered but missed out on racing by a poomfteenth of a second...

A bloody good event ruined simply by:

a) a good meaning vollie who couldn't start their bike to take us newbies/virgins out on our sighting session... that held up the start by a good 15-20mins. Maybe next time he/she should have a push-button bike rather than than the Motard they were trying to kick-over and jump start unsuccessfully.

b) solos and side-chairs crashing. Whether it be the heat getting to everyone, or the red-mist, or lack of ability or what... there were just too many crashes during the day (qualifying & racing) and it made it very difficult for the organisors to keep to schedule.

In one capacity or another, I/we will be back for the 60th Anni meeting in 2012.

Cheers
Mark

who was this?

[Ivan]

cant remember there names they the ones who normally drift it up hard was a unlucky crash that was and most of the time was wasted due to piss poor skills with extinguishers and not putting it out right away hence why us fire fighters on track actually were doing something about not waiting for the wanganui fire bregade to turn out

[Marknz]

Ill be honest I think it was the 115% cut off really scared everyone and people rode past there limits panicing they had payed big money to race and were going to go home and over tryed

Can't speak for anyone else but that was not the case for me. I rode well within my limits despite being pushed to go 'balls-out' in the last qualifying session. I was frustrated by not getting timing sheets from our first qualy session to see how we were placed, that would have given me a good indicator of where I was at compared to the rest of the class. I knew I was never going to be anywhere near the pace of Skachill, Charlett & Co., but it would have been great to know exactly what I was aiming for. Agonisingly close to breaking the 1 minute mark, but that will have to wait for another time. Still, it was a great experience and I'd do it again in a heartbeat.

[White trash]

Can't speak for anyone else but that was not the case for me. I rode well within my limits despite being pushed to go 'balls-out' in the last qualifying session. I was frustrated by not getting timing sheets from our first qualy session to see how we were placed, that would have given me a good indicator of where I was at compared to the rest of the class. I knew I was never going to be anywhere near the pace of Skachill, Charlett & Co., but it would have been great to know exactly what I was aiming for. Agonisingly close to breaking the 1 minute mark, but that will have to wait for another time. Still, it was a great experience and I'd do it again in a heartbeat.

There's all sorts of issues at work here mate, and they need to be dissected piece by piece to make sure things are learnt. Come past the shop some time for a coffee and a chat.

[BIG DOUG]

The triumph was piloted by willie and swinger julie #74

[CHOPPA]

long races and lemans start! or rolling starts.

Most proper bikes these days have the ability of a sealed containment area in there belly pan. It should be compulsary. Strouds held his entire engine oil for a whole race, well most of it. Sidecars have it. I suppose most things that drop oil are naked postie style though....

As far as bike crashers go, hard luck for them bikes should go to a safe area and be left there till its safe or they have time to pick them up

[CHOPPA]

Too many classes aswell

Should be

600/supers/bears

Pre-seeded so it the best riders putting on a show 5 times a day

F3 Class everything else.

Sidecars alltogether

Motards with some movable freestyle ramps to fix the men from the boys.

[ktm]

Too many classes aswell

Should be

600/supers/bears

Pre-seeded so it the best riders putting on a show 5 times a day

F3 Class everything else.

Sidecars alltogether

Motards with some movable freestyle ramps to fix the men from the boys.

HaHaHa beautiful, except for the sidecars. They belong at car races.

[Ivan]

HaHaHa beautiful, except for the sidecars. They belong at car races.

I dunno after having a go on a sidecarand hanging out with them they are real down to earth good sorts all help each other out christmas night our rig failed scruitenering they were all over helping in whatever way they could organising a welder to turn up on christmas night theres a real sportsman family feel there in the road side ive dealt with both now the road guys there can be alot of up themselves pricks who wont help you when you need help at all and I think you will find alot of fans come along to watch the sidecars drifting it up

[@ndy]

First time for me at Cemetery Circuit ... actually first time at a street race ever!

Just like to say thank you for racing guys and girls, amazing to see how fast were you going on those tight corners !
Lots of admiration from me! :woohoo:

Just couple of thoughts about the crowd if I may (can't sleep):
-Fix the PA for next year !
-Why 2 screens in the same corner and no screen anywhere else ??
-Watching a race having a couple of beer = Good times ! --- Not be able to enjoy your race day without being absolutely trashed = Sad!
-People drinking from glass beer bottles on the stand just in front the main PA guy where he was interviewing !
-Lunch/drinking/pissing/trowing up... on graves ? WTF? I'm proud to be a biker... i'd like to keep it that way.
-Also I guess some teenagers confused the Cemetery circuit for Rhythm and Vines because I don't think most of them
were there for the race.

Rather than that was AWESOME !!!! :laugh:

Thank you heaps to the guys that organized the park and storage for the bikes and gear! Great service !
Here is a picture i took i thought was funny:

253962

Just my 0,2¢ worth, sorry if offends somebody... not.
Andy.

[Peter Smith]

Ill be honest I think it was the 115% cut off really scared everyone and people rode past there limits panicing they had payed big money to race and were going to go home and over tryed

In some classes guy's were being lapped after only 4 laps, so I doubt they were anywhere near the 115%. (motards and post classics).

[jellywrestler]

The running of Wanganui has been fuked since the day Barbara lett was removed

this year the last race was over NINE MINUTES later than in 2010, yep check it on my laps, and since you mention Barbara I'm pretty sure she was at the helm when they were still racing well after 7 oclock one year. Not a dig at all at Barbara or indeed anyone running the event just seems everyones out to blame somebody .
It was hard this year, lots of race stoppages gone it seems are the days when you can pull a haybale back and tuck a bike in till the end of the race but to be fair the weather was what I think made the meeting drag on so much for some.

It's been hot there before but usually there's a bit of a breeze whereas this year it was simply stinking hot and tested everybody.

The irony is there's a lot of people whose highlight is the crashes, ironically when they occur the delays what they grizzle about, you can't win eh?
As for one comment about the commentater not informing people what was going on. i'll put my hand up as that person. I've seen in years gone by announcements as to where there's a crash and the ghouls all flock there so how can you win?

a couple of the delays cleaning up were compounded by the grids being sent back to the pits as they'd been off the tyre warmers too long, once again another damned if you do, damned if you dont scenario eh?

[Ivan]

yip agree with everything you say ive seen ir fire fighting people all flock like ghouls to an incident makes it worse to deal with to

overall i think it was a pretty good event like i say there was minor issues and i emailed the organisers to let them know if they choose to ignore it its there choice it just some feedback for them to consider

[scracha]

Suggesting to racers that they "Slow down and not crash" isn't really going to help things. Address the real problems.

[Grumph]

Suggesting to racers that they "Slow down and not crash" isn't really going to help things. Address the real problems.

You may not have noticed, but the most successful guys rarely fall off....having the nous to realise that winning involves finishing races is a big part of being successful.

I'd love to hear what you consider to be the real problems....

[Kickaha]

this year the last race was over NINE MINUTES later than in 2010, yep check it on my laps
Maybe if they'd cut two classes races instead of just one they could have finished nine minutes earlier than 2010

[jellywrestler]

You may not have noticed, but the most successful guys rarely fall off....having the nous to realise that winning involves finishing races is a big part of being successful.

I'd love to hear what you consider to be the real problems....
maybe it's like the road toll, some holiday periods it's way different to others yet conditions etc are similar.
Couple of standouts on Boxing day

Will Williamsons passenger had only at her last meeting clocked up her 100th trouble free race, the team were super consistent, likewise Sean Donnellys battery post classic died on the front straight and he required a ride back to the pits. I've been to a shite load of bike races and I can't recall Sean ever breaking down or crashing, he's Mr Consistant. My point is that there were many different things that contributed to the delays, that's the nature of the beast...

[Marknz]

There's all sorts of issues at work here mate, and they need to be dissected piece by piece to make sure things are learnt. Come past the shop some time for a coffee and a chat.

Coffee & a chat in a bike shop.... oh okay then ;-)

[Ivan]

Coffee & a chat in a bike shop.... oh okay then ;-)

he is a salesman watch out hell convince you into buying something new

[Shaun]

Nah....grids had plenty of riders....had a bad run this year...I doubt organisers won't learn from it. the biggest issuse is where are the spectators??? from what people are saying??


And there is a huge part of the problem with street racing these days, The LACK of QUALITY of riders on the grid!!!!!!

To many CLUB SCENE only riders, not serious racers, hence all the crashes these days and oil spills all over the course

[koba]

And there is a huge part of the problem with street racing these days, The LACK of QUALITY of riders on the grid!!!!!!

To many CLUB SCENE only riders, not serious racers, hence all the crashes these days and oil spills all over the course


I couldn't race this year, maybe next year... :msn-wink::bleh:

[eelracing]

And there is a huge part of the problem with street racing these days, The LACK of QUALITY of riders on the grid!!!!!!

To many CLUB SCENE only riders, not serious racers,


Yeah where the hell were they?................

[Kickaha]

To many CLUB SCENE only riders
If you took all them out you wouldn't have an event

[Shaun]

If you took all them out you wouldn't have an event



you cannot have your cake and eat it also dude, as well as run a semi proffessional event

$30-00K spread over 3 rounds, wippy SHIT what a fukin rip off to the top riders

[eelracing]

you cannot have your cake and eat it also dude, as well as run a semi proffessional event

$30-00K spread over 3 rounds, wippy SHIT what a fukin rip off to the top riders

Rip-off to the top riders or a missed opportunity to showcase your sponsors?To be proffessional should not one go with the other?
Especially at arguably NZ's top street race for crowd numbers alone.And between you and me most of the punters would'nt know their Strouds from Stauffers when all they want is to be entertained on Boxing day.
I for one sure as hell was,we saw the lap record smashed by Stauffer/Yamaha and what could well be the handing over of the mantle to Mr Nick Cole (not his fault noone else was there to grab it)but he made fucken sure he was in the running.
Charlett and Skachill sharing the 600 honours and local boys kicking arse in the Motards...pretty damn successful day if you ask me.

And while i'm at it those much maligned club racers dont do it for the money or glory or even sponsors (if they have any)but for the love of the sport and the buzz of competing.You could argue that it makes them more professional.

[Deano]

Coffee & a chat in a bike shop.... oh okay then ;-)

There might even be beer there at lunchtime tomorrow !!

[Robert Taylor]

Rip-off to the top riders or a missed opportunity to showcase your sponsors?To be proffessional should not one go with the other?
Especially at arguably NZ's top street race for crowd numbers alone.And between you and me most of the punters would'nt know their Strouds from Stauffers when all they want is to be entertained on Boxing day.
I for one sure as hell was,we saw the lap record smashed by Stauffer/Yamaha and what could well be the handing over of the mantle to Mr Nick Cole (not his fault noone else was there to grab it)but he made fucken sure he was in the running.
Charlett and Skachill sharing the 600 honours and local boys kicking arse in the Motards...pretty damn successful day if you ask me.

And while i'm at it those much maligned club racers dont do it for the money or glory or even sponsors (if they have any)but for the love of the sport and the buzz of competing.You could argue that it makes them more professional.

I think what is being missed here is that many top riders now very much prefer not to race street events , if they can avoid it. The bikes are now so fast and there is no margin for error at such events.
To date we have been very lucky that there have been no crowd fatalities ( heaven forbid ) but we cannot go blindly on shrugging it all off until one day a national news catastrophe happens. Im just as keen as the next guy on the ''unsanitized'' spectacle of street racing but ......do we want the heavy axe of central Government if we cannot take more reasonable steps to negate any future catastrophe?
With respect to Jellywrestlers comments ''damned if you do and damned if you dont'' he makes fair points.

[jellywrestler]

There might even be beer there at lunchtime tomorrow !!

and a thirsty sparky...

[gixerracer]

Rip-off to the top riders or a missed opportunity to showcase your sponsors?To be proffessional should not one go with the other?
Especially at arguably NZ's top street race for crowd numbers alone.And between you and me most of the punters would'nt know their Strouds from Stauffers when all they want is to be entertained on Boxing day.
I for one sure as hell was,we saw the lap record smashed by Stauffer/Yamaha and what could well be the handing over of the mantle to Mr Nick Cole (not his fault noone else was there to grab it)but he made fucken sure he was in the running.
Charlett and Skachill sharing the 600 honours and local boys kicking arse in the Motards...pretty damn successful day if you ask me.

And while i'm at it those much maligned club racers dont do it for the money or glory or even sponsors (if they have any)but for the love of the sport and the buzz of competing.You could argue that it makes them more professional.

Not sure where they/you? get your info from but Dan Stauffer DID NOT break Andrew Strouds lap racord from 2006 2nd race of the Robert Holden. Its all on mylaps.com for you to check out
Andrew lapped at 49.061 on His Pirelli/Ohlins-CKT/Suzuki Gsxr 1000, 5 years later Dan lapped at 49.091 so not a lap record and certainly not smashed???

[suzuki21]

Not sure where they/you? get your info from but Dan Stauffer DID NOT break Andrew Strouds lap racord from 2006 2nd race of the Robert Holden. Its all on mylaps.com for you to check out
Andrew lapped at 49.061 on His Pirelli/Ohlins-CKT/Suzuki Gsxr 1000, 5 years later Dan lapped at 49.091 so not a lap record and certainly not smashed???

Agreed, Dan may have have been a slow arse and didnt break the lap record, may have been because of his standard rear shock. Shame you werent there dude, Dan would have loved you to be racing - he knows how awesome you are on the streets. Mind you, as much as Robert says Stroudy had the nationals in mind, he certainly wasnt fucking around, Andrew likes to win!!

[Tony.OK]

Not sure where they/you? get your info from but Dan Stauffer DID NOT break Andrew Strouds lap racord from 2006 2nd race of the Robert Holden. Its all on mylaps.com for you to check out
Andrew lapped at 49.061 on His Pirelli/Ohlins-CKT/Suzuki Gsxr 1000, 5 years later Dan lapped at 49.091 so not a lap record and certainly not smashed???

Its on http://www.nzsbk.com/ except they say 49.081?

Am waiting for someone to mention Dan had near stock bike and supsension too..........:innocent::bleh:

[gixerracer]

Agreed, Dan may have have been a slow arse and didnt break the lap record, may have been because of his standard rear shock. Shame you werent there dude, Dan would have loved you to be racing - he knows how awesome you are on the streets. Mind you, as much as Robert says Stroudy had the nationals in mind, he certainly wasnt fucking around, Andrew likes to win!!

Dont get me wrong Steve Dan was the man this time and last year by far the fastest and hardest rider, Im pleased I wasnt racing there this year as I would have had to stick my neck out a long way just to keep him in sight. Last year I had all sorts of trouble with concussion from the week before crashes at Manfeild so this year may have been slighly better but I really dont think I would have had any answers for Dan the Man

[cowpoos]

I dunno after having a go on a sidecarand hanging out with them they are real down to earth good sorts all help each other out christmas night our rig failed scruitenering they were all over helping in whatever way they could organising a welder to turn up on christmas night theres a real sportsman family feel there in the road side ive dealt with both now the road guys there can be alot of up themselves pricks who wont help you when you need help at all and I think you will find alot of fans come along to watch the sidecars drifting it up

you rig fail scruiteneering? and the owner didn't notice the faults....you should have been booted....thats just not even close to good enough!

[cowpoos]

And there is a huge part of the problem with street racing these days, The LACK of QUALITY of riders on the grid!!!!!!

To many CLUB SCENE only riders, not serious racers, hence all the crashes these days and oil spills all over the course

well I can't argue with that because I just plain don't know....I've been away too long to know whos who...and whos good...whos thrashing a dead horse....etc

fair point

[cowpoos]

There might even be beer there at lunchtime tomorrow !!

lunchtime till when???

[cowpoos]

Andrew likes to win!!

he's not there for second thats forsure!

[et al]

Just one of those days when lots of things went wrong, sure there were issues which no doubt the organisers will review and take on board for next year. In spite of all the dramas I still enjoyed it, long may this unique event continue. Those National/top riders who turned up did not have to be there, but they chose to for whatever reason so good on them. Will our sport get the same crowd support and exposure for the riders and sponsors during the upcoming National series?

[suzuki21]

Dont get me wrong Steve Dan was the man this time and last year by far the fastest and hardest rider, Im pleased I wasnt racing there this year as I would have had to stick my neck out a long way just to keep him in sight. Last year I had all sorts of trouble with concussion from the week before crashes at Manfeild so this year may have been slighly better but I really dont think I would have had any answers for Dan the Man

He sure missed you racing, he may be hard but he is fair and wants to beat the best as you want to. I know you have had some concussion - head injuries, but in saying that I think you have always been a little mental.

[Deano]

Just one of those days when lots of things went wrong, sure there were issues which no doubt the organisers will review and take on board for next year. In spite of all the dramas I still enjoyed it, long may this unique event continue. Those National/top riders who turned up did not have to be there, but they chose to for whatever reason so good on them. Will our sport get the same crowd support and exposure for the riders and sponsors during the upcoming National series?

I can't believe you stayed in your leathers all day !!

[Shaun]

Rip-off to the top riders or a missed opportunity to showcase your sponsors?To be proffessional should not one go with the other?
Especially at arguably NZ's top street race for crowd numbers alone.And between you and me most of the punters would'nt know their Strouds from Stauffers when all they want is to be entertained on Boxing day.
I for one sure as hell was,we saw the lap record smashed by Stauffer/Yamaha and what could well be the handing over of the mantle to Mr Nick Cole (not his fault noone else was there to grab it)but he made fucken sure he was in the running.
Charlett and Skachill sharing the 600 honours and local boys kicking arse in the Motards...pretty damn successful day if you ask me.

And while i'm at it those much maligned club racers dont do it for the money or glory or even sponsors (if they have any)but for the love of the sport and the buzz of competing.You could argue that it makes them more professional.





I Like your attitude and healthy response, now I will will read the rest

[Ivan]

you rig fail scruiteneering? and the owner didn't notice the faults....you should have been booted....thats just not even close to good enough!

there was nothing even wrong with our rig it was a high spot in the brazing one scruitineer said it was fine the other was worried nothing bad at all had lots of engineers even look at it. The owner of my rig had checked the bike over before racing anyway its not his fault just a scruitineer worrying about something that was nothing

[Shaun]

well I can't argue with that because I just plain don't know....I've been away too long to know whos who...and whos good...whos thrashing a dead horse....etc

fair point



I think you know my mental attitude well enough to know that I am only speaking the truth and may loose some more potentuall friends due to it? But for fuk sake, if you cannot make qualify in NZ at wanganui and had a doubt about your self in the first place, please stay at home and stop a lot of dramas for other racers and the paying crowd and let the day day progress instaed of trying to be a hero and fukin up and crashing again and causing major delays to an important day in history in NZ.

The organisres need to get there shit together big time or simply fuk off and stop being involved in such a potentaually dangerous game.

do 5 jobs and do them all correct, instead of trying to make money from 10 jobs and getting 98% of them WRONG

[Shaun]

Will our sport get the same crowd support and exposure for the riders and sponsors during the upcoming National series?



NO, but it will NOT have the same NEGATIVE response in general due to being such a piss poor managed event from low class entry of riders to how the 4 wheel dirt bike was ridden with out a helmet on the rider to how the balles just burned whilst people tried to figure out how to use a TRIGGER for god sake.

As far as sponsors and marketing goes, forgett about it, numbers are just numbers and can be be rearranged to read well to any one

[koba]

I think you know my mental attitude well enough to know that I am only speaking the truth and may loose some more potentuall friends due to it?

Do you ever read over your old posts? Perhaps evaluating them from different angles?

[Robert Taylor]

Its on http://www.nzsbk.com/ except they say 49.081?

Am waiting for someone to mention Dan had near stock bike and supsension too..........:innocent::bleh:

Given his personal speed he would have smashed the lap record with decent suspension. It was noticable that his rear shock was fading in the RH Memorial race.

[Shaun]

Do you ever read over your old posts? Perhaps evaluating them from different angles?




No I never look back, some times have to apologise though

[scracha]

You may not have noticed, but the most successful guys rarely fall off....having the nous to realise that winning involves finishing races is a big part of being successful.

I'd love to hear what you consider to be the real problems....
I made a rather infamous couple of posts the last time I rode at Wanganui....you know..the year when F2 didn't get their first race until nearly 2pm. From the response I got it was clear that many people don't want to hear what riders consider the real problems.

+ve's. Big TV screens. TV coverage. Large (but getting smaller) crowd. Large number of entries. Surface generally good. Safety miles better than Paeroa - airfences, lampost covers, etc. Scrutineering the day before. History of the event. Support from Wanganui. Sponsors, stalls, brolly dollys.
-ve's. Not much track time. Much confusion about who/what/where. Idiot drunks. Many top riders missing due to conflict with Nats / safety issues. Late start. Stupid delays. Perhaps event being taken for granted?


Suggestions (they may have done some of this since I last rode)
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Have Less classes - won't be popular but something's clearly gotta give.
Just have 1 longer practise/qualifying session per class instead of 2.
Faster / more organised start - riders are there the day before and at the crack of dawn so the "virgin" practise should start as soon as local legislation allows.
Faster crash cleanup (obviously injured riders can't be moved quickly) - is there a legal/safety reason crashed/broken bikes can't be just moved behind barrier for a few races.
Better PA system
Better rider info prior to event (website or on confirmed entry letter)
Pit passes for riders + support crew
Start point needs moved. Maybe nearer the 1st corner or near the pits / bennets bridge...less 1st corner crashes.
Overnight Scrutineering (obviously beer tokens would be involved).
Consistency in rider callouts (tricky with last lap crashes).
Proper catch tanks / fairings as per Chopper's suggestion.
Have scruitineers traverse pits once. Anyone who fails/misses scrut's as normal. At least do this for helmet/gear check.
Petition Wanganui council to remove/redisign lamposts opposite corners (how many years has event been going?)
Petition Wanganui council to flatten some of the high curbs on corners (see above)
A marshall at the pit entrace to move spectators safely out the way
Maybe the track layout/location needs a rethink....it's way too tight for F1/F2 bikes....perhaps ask "top" riders?
Could understand separating sidecars on fast circuits like Paeroa but seems pretty daft at Wanganui. Is this an MNZ thing?
Did they ditch superpole?
Kick out the drunks/louts
RT is correct, spectator safety needs to be more pro-active.

[jellywrestler]

Have Less classes - won't be popular but something's clearly gotta give.
who then would you suggest?????
Just have 1 longer practise/qualifying session per class instead of 2.that's just dangerous, how does one evalute their session and look for a different approach either riding style of suspension gearing or other machine changes?????
Faster / more organised start - riders are there the day before and at the crack of dawn so the "virgin" practise should start as soon as local legislation allows.think you'll find it does, there was a glitch when the lead bike didn't start and (some) people on here have laid the blame at the organisers feet cause his bike wouldn't go! which is childish
Faster crash cleanup I too was dissapointed when they pulled up and set up their picnic tables, got out their kegs and had smoko before they even looked at the crashes (obviously injured riders can't be moved quickly) - is there a legal/safety reason crashed/broken bikes can't be just moved behind barrier for a few races. maybe if you opened your eyes you would notice that most of the barriers not only interlink but they have a second row behind them of some description and it simply isn't possible ( and we saw what happened when a hot bike leaned against a haybale... (crashed into it and the exhaust did the rest)
Better PA systemwhat was the issues with this I wasn't in a position to notice? If it was intermittent did people go and notify race control etc or just simply whine about it?
Better rider info prior to event (website or on confirmed entry letter)what didn't they tell you that you A couldn't email them for clarification B ask a fellow competitor?
Pit passes for riders + support crewhow many did they allocate you and what do you think they should have?
Start point needs moved. Maybe nearer the 1st corner or near the pits / bennets bridge...less 1st corner crashes.now you're being sily, it's worked for over 60 meetings and don't forget it's also the finish point
Overnight Scrutineering (obviously beer tokens would be involved).there's plenty of time for the commited rider to get there and scrutineered
Consistency in rider callouts (tricky with last lap crashes).email the crew www.cemeterycircuit.co.nz and offer your services for next year
Proper catch tanks / fairings as per Chopper's suggestion.that's not a problem solely for the Cemetery Circuit Evere heard of a place called the Northwest 200? check out how it went this year
Have scruitineers traverse pits onceand a mobile sandwhich bar, massage girls, anal bleaching just for you too. Anyone who fails/misses scrut's as normal. At least do this for helmet/gear check.
Petition Wanganui council to remove/redisign lamposts opposite corners (how many years has event been going?)it's already been done, they call it Manfeild
Petition Wanganui council to flatten some of the high curbs on corners (see above)ditto
A marshall at the pit entrace to move spectators safely out the way
Maybe the track layout/location needs a rethink....it's way too tight for F1/F2 bikes....perhaps ask "top" riders? you're not going to last till midnight tonight if you're on drugs this early in the day
Could understand separating sidecars on fast circuits like Paeroa but seems pretty daft at Wanganui. Is this an MNZ thing? number 74 out there won the New Zealand Sidecar Championship in 1973, would you seriuosly put a Suzuki TR500 out there in superbikes, again lay off the drugs and FYI it is an MNZ rule and was the result of the investigation of a fatality
Did they ditch superpole?you mean you've got all these pearls of wisdom and you didn't even notice whether they ran it or not????WERE YOU EVEN THERE or are you just a keyboard warrior?
Kick out the drunks/loutsThey had an alcohol limit to the event and police supervision too, did you join your motorycle club to be a bouncer?
RT is correct, spectator safety needs to be more pro-activeThe Cemetery Circuit leads the safety standards in New Zealand for Street Circuits although they would welcome your suggestions backed up with appropriate drawings photographs etc I'm sure
I visited Wanganui in September and discussed an area I thought needed attention with Flea Willacy (event manager) and Cudge Scott (track set up manager) and on the day I noted that they'd implemented changes after they listened to me, I'm sure they'll listen to anyone who can put forward ideas in a direct and structured manner..

I'm off back to bed now...

[Crasherfromwayback]

Maybe the track layout/location needs a rethink....it's way too tight for F1/F2 bikes


RT is correct, spectator safety needs to be more pro-active.

You had some good ideas. This wasn't one of them though.

If you make the track faster (less tight), the track its self and safety for spectators is decreased.

[jasonu]

Originally Posted by scracha
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Have Less classes - won't be popular but something's clearly gotta give.
who then would you suggest?????
Just have 1 longer practise/qualifying session per class instead of 2.that's just stupid and dangerous, how does one evalute their session and look for a different approach either riding style of suspension gearing or other machine changes?????
Faster / more organised start - riders are there the day before and at the crack of dawn so the "virgin" practise should start as soon as local legislation allows.think you'll find it does, there was a glitch when the lead bike didn't start and (some) people on here have laid the blame at the organisers feet cause his bike wouldn't go! which is childish
Faster crash cleanup I too was dissapointed when they pulled up and set up their picnic tables, got out their kegs and had smoko before they even looked at the crashes (obviously injured riders can't be moved quickly) - is there a legal/safety reason crashed/broken bikes can't be just moved behind barrier for a few races. maybe if you opened your eyes you would notice that most of the barriers not only interlink but they have a second row behind them of some description and it simply isn't possible ( and we saw what happened when a hot bike leaned against a haybale... (crashed into it and the exhaust did the rest)
Better PA systemwhat was the issues with this I wasn't in a position to notice? If it was intermittent did people go and notify race control etc or just simply whine about it?
Better rider info prior to event (website or on confirmed entry letter)what didn't they tell you that you A couldn't email them for clarification B ask a fellow competitor?
Pit passes for riders + support crewhow many did they allocate you and what do you think they should have?
Start point needs moved. Maybe nearer the 1st corner or near the pits / bennets bridge...less 1st corner crashes.now you're being sily, it's worked for over 60 meetings and don't forget it's also the finish point
Overnight Scrutineering (obviously beer tokens would be involved).there's plenty of time for the commited rider to get there and scrutineered
Consistency in rider callouts (tricky with last lap crashes).email the crew www.cemeterycircuit.co.nz and offer your services for next year
Proper catch tanks / fairings as per Chopper's suggestion.that's not a problem solely for the Cemetery Circuit Evere heard of a place called the Northwest 200? check out how it went this year
Have scruitineers traverse pits onceand a mobile sandwhich bar, massage girls, anal bleaching just for you too. Anyone who fails/misses scrut's as normal. At least do this for helmet/gear check.
Petition Wanganui council to remove/redisign lamposts opposite corners (how many years has event been going?)it's already been done, they call it Manfeild
Petition Wanganui council to flatten some of the high curbs on corners (see above)ditto
A marshall at the pit entrace to move spectators safely out the way
Maybe the track layout/location needs a rethink....it's way too tight for F1/F2 bikes....perhaps ask "top" riders? you're not going to last till midnight tonight if you're on drugs this early in the day
Could understand separating sidecars on fast circuits like Paeroa but seems pretty daft at Wanganui. Is this an MNZ thing? number 74 out there won the New Zealand Sidecar Championship in 1973, would you seriuosly put a Suzuki TR500 out there in superbikes, again lay off the drugs and FYI it is an MNZ rule and was the result of the investigation of a fatality
Did they ditch superpole?you mean you've got all these pearls of wisdom and you didn't even notice whether they ran it or not????WERE YOU EVEN THERE or are you just a keyboard warrior?
Kick out the drunks/loutsThey had an alcohol limit to the event and police supervision too
RT is correct, spectator safety needs to be more pro-activeThe Cemetery Circuit leads the safety standards in New Zealand for Street Circuits although they would welcome your suggestions backed up with appropriate drawings photographs etc I'm sure....

Well that told you!!!

[Crasherfromwayback]

I'm off back to bed now...

I think you need to take off your rose tinted specs and stop being so protective Spyda.

I've been both a spectator and a competitor for fucking years...and it's starting to lose it's gloss.

Hats off to everyone for actually staging it and giving up their precious time at such an important time. But as they say...if it's worth doing...

[nadroj]

I was impressed with one recovery crew (Murray Palmer's) especially the quick responce and efficiency I saw. The only suggestion I would make is a quick release on the tipping mechanism of the trailer - something like a trailer drawbar hitch.

[Grumph]

Well I asked for his ideas as to what he thought were the real problems....OK Jelly has slapped you about a bit mate but yes, some - only some of your comments are valid.
I haven't had personal experience of Wanganui for some years but I've been involved in one way or another with almost al the SI street circuits and what you're complaining about has been true of all of them at one time or another. in general, my experience is that organisers don't make the same mistakes two years running provided there's continuity on the organising committee...

The single biggest improvement to the running of a street meeting I've ever seen was when Wyndham introduced a full time pit PA announcer who is able to listen to the official radio...immediate real time updates as to what is happening and WHY....make riders very happy. And a happy rider under less time pressure falls off less....

Practise sessions - at all the SI meets as far as I know one session per class is enough.

Drunks....goes hand in hand with letting spectators into the pits...they want the experience and they're paying for it. Live with it.

[nadroj]

No alchohol should be allowed in the pit area full stop!
The pit area should be manned at the entrance to prevent anyone with alchohol or intoxicated from entering.
Viewing the pit area should be a controlled priviledge rather than a right.

My 2c

[jellywrestler]

I think you need to take off your rose tinted specs and stop being so protective Spyda.

I've been both a spectator and a competitor for fucking years...and it's starting to lose it's gloss.


many of the negative comments are from people who are whingers, people who don't actually look at why there is an issue, and what can be done to improve that issue, given the resources that it will take to do so and the practicalities of doing so.
Classic example is the person who was to lead the Virgins lap bike wouldn't start. That apparantly is the organisers fault. That's simply unfair, as is baggers who weren't even there on the day.

I've been both a spectator and competitor for years too, and some years have been great and some haven't, 2011 isn't one of the great ones but isn't the worst either in my opinion. Like I said it was stinking hot with no breeze, hard work at the best of times for anyone
As for looking at it through rose coloured glasses, we're all guilty of that when somethings close to us yet I always have a chat with the management and point out shortcomings that I see and what can be done to upgrade that.
sometimes they agree sometimes they don't but at least I do it in private rather than blast it across the net.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Classic example is the person who was to lead the Virgins lap bike wouldn't start. That apparantly is the organisers fault. That's simply unfair,


I do it in private rather than blast it across the net.

Well who other than the organisers organised for that cunt to be doing it? And if it took as long as some are saying for the useless twat to start his/her bike...why wasn't the quad rushed into action to speed things up?

And you do too blast things on the net...you're certainly doing it in this thread.

I've gotta say...that in all the street circuit racing I've done, Wanganui is the only place other than the Auckland warf circuit where I've been spoken to like a complete moron. And that was when I was asking what I considered a perfectly obvious question regarding my safety, and the safety of the other people I was racing against. They knew best...piss off was it in a nutshell.

Wanganui is awesome, and is one of the biggest buzzes I've ever had. But if they don't get their shit together, the riders AND the spectators will spend their bucks elsewhere, and it'll disappear. The race is good for the city I'm sure...be a shame if the most read about thing becomes Michael Laws and his latest shag, or whether the 'H' should get lost.

[bucketracer]

Any places for F4 bikes next year? people who have ridden them there tell me they go quite well on that street circuit often besting the bigger bikes.

[yungatart]

Any places for F4 bikes next year? people who have ridden them there tell me they go quite well on that street circuit often besting the bigger bikes.

Silly man, they can't run the classes that they currently say they can in the amount of daylight available just after Summer Solstice.
How on earth do you think they would run more? Chuck 'em in with F1 eh, we'll see if they can best the bigger bikes...

[Deano]

Any places for F4 bikes next year? people who have ridden them there tell me they go quite well on that street circuit often besting the bigger bikes.

2 Ninja 250's (twins) qualified for F3. To be honest I was a bit surprised that they made the 115% cut off, but I haven't checked Mylaps to confirm that they had. I certainly didn't lap them after 6 laps anyway.

Could a hot bucket beat them ?

[jasonu]

2 Ninja 250's (twins) qualified for F3. To be honest I was a bit surprised that they made the 115% cut off, but I haven't checked Mylaps to confirm that they had. I certainly didn't lap them after 6 laps anyway.

Could a hot bucket beat them ?

A well ridden 'luke warm' bucket could probably beat a ninja twin at a tighter track like Wanganui. I have bettered the odd f3 bike at the old Taupo track on my bucket.

[Deano]

A well ridden 'luke warm' bucket could probably beat a ninja twin at a tighter track like Wanganui. I have bettered the odd f3 bike at the old Taupo track on my bucket.

Well, there ya go then !! :niceone:

[suzuki21]

Given his personal speed he would have smashed the lap record with decent suspension. It was noticable that his rear shock was fading in the RH Memorial race.

He did have decent suspension Robert. We took the aftermarket shock and linkage out and put standard back in as Dan felt the after market gear didnt work so well on the new model R1. At Manfield he dropped 1&1/4 seconds/lap straight away - horses for courses, or maybe he just isnt riding hard enough to require the good stuff.

[Trade_nancy]

Interesting range of comments here - from totally slagging to fully defensive of the 2011 event. As someone who is a spectator only, as well as a biker - I hadn't been to the cemetry circuit for 10 years when I last came with the missus and 3 small kids. we had a great time back then - in the stinking hot sun - a day of non-stop action.
Fast-forward to 2011 - I went back with the missus on the bike for a day out. The Ullyses (spelling?) guys provided good value for money service in the bike store area - although I was a tad offended to be "reprimanded" by the gate keeper on exiting - for not handing over the sticker with my bike number. I had peeled that off my screen and put it in the bin. I was supposed to keep it - so they know what bike number is leaving. But they don't tell you as you enter..or if you do,..u can't hear through your helmet and the noise as they shout instructions at you. I'd suggest pre-printed advice/instructions for each bike owner so we know what you want you to do?
The racing was totally exciting - all classes. Highlights - the fabulous sound of that Aussie Yamaha (V4??) in F1 and the brilliantlly turned out yellow Norton Commando in the Bears - loved the wheelies on every 2nd lap or so. Awesome bike...awesome ride.
Disappointments: we were 5 feet from the mouth of a PA speaker - but could not hear what he was saying 50% of the time; delays between racing as mentioned - yes this was slack when coupled with a less than adequate PA; too much booze being admitted - especially party cans of bourbon/coke etc..accepted as dozen at the gate....caused a lot of vomit and unsightly idiot behaviour; inadequte (no?) attention to refuse/rubbish deposits during the events - allowed to overflow - rubbish like plastic bags blowing around the track; not enough sidecar action - love these guys and was very disappointed with lack of that.
There are causes, reasons, excuses - but - I'd score 2011 a 5/10 vs 10 years ago 8/10. Any event such as this - should not be going backwards in it's event management standards. But let's hope they take onboard the criticism and work on improvements for 2012 which I look forward to.
Thanks to the riders in all classes for giving us both a good buzz.

[denill]

Highlights - the fabulous sound of that Aussie Yamaha (V4??) in F1

Yeah, it sounded like a V4 and yeah, sounded great....................

Google says:
The new R1 takes engine technology from the M1 MotoGP bike with its cross plane crankshaft, the first ever production motorcycle to do so. Crossplane technology puts each connecting rod 90° from the next, with an uneven firing interval of 270°- 180°- 90°- 180°. The idea of this technology is to reduce variations of internal crankshaft speed, thus giving the new R1 a more linear power delivery. Yamaha claims the bike would give the rider 'two engines in one', the low end torque of a twin and the pace of an inline four.

[MSTRS]

The R1, to me, sounds more like a triple. The above google quote omits the term 'big bang' firing order...I understand that to mean that 2 cylinders fire together and the other two with some separation as normal. Seems to work too.

[Robert Taylor]

He did have decent suspension Robert. We took the aftermarket shock and linkage out and put standard back in as Dan felt the after market gear didnt work so well on the new model R1. At Manfield he dropped 1&1/4 seconds/lap straight away - horses for courses, or maybe he just isnt riding hard enough to require the good stuff.

No, you just didnt have anyone suitably trained to set that stuff up for him and / or he wanted to push his own barrow. The bike as it arrived was set up for another rider quite different in weight, style and tyres used so I wouldnt go fooling yourself about lap time difference being down to one single factor. Notably on closed road race courses such a setup struggled during the last NZ champs, especially in terms of stability of performance.
Moreover it was specifically requested by the benefactors that the forks were NOT to be pulled apart, to change stuff in these requires that the chrome tubes are unscrewed from the lower castings to remove / instal sandwich plates. These oem fork castings /tubes are NOT designed to be pulled apart all the time and everytime you do so some fitting tolerance is lost. When you borrow something you respect the express wishes of the benefactors

[White trash]

The R1, to me, sounds more like a triple. The above google quote omits the term 'big bang' firing order...I understand that to mean that 2 cylinders fire together and the other two with some separation as normal. Seems to work too.

It omits the term, because it doesn't apply. It's a Cross Plane, completely different to "Big Bang".

[MSTRS]

So they're NOT a big bang engine?

[scracha]

I'm off back to bed now...

I clearly stated I wasn't there this year. Last time I rode there it was in a nutshell, a shite experience....mainly due to F2 not getting to race until 2pm. I gather F3 didn't get to race until about 3pm this year so things are obviously improving.

I also stated that some of the fings wot I suggested may have already been done in the last couple of years. If that's the case then well done (especially on the pit passes and ditching superpole).

You exhibit the typical Kiwi attitude of getting all shitty and aggressive when someone suggests possible improvements. "Whiner", "keyboard warrior" .... yeah whatever.

Ditch one class (in true democratic style, why not put it to a vote), ditch one practise and the event would be far more enjoyable for organisers / spectators / competitors (obviously not the ones who've been dropped lol). Or don't bother....it's your event.

Drunks / louts....Paeroa seemed to have this aspect well sorted over the last 2 or 3 years.

And yes, I lasted well after midnight....drugs and all :second: Now I'm off to collect a streetstock bike.

[Fatjim]

So they're NOT a big bang engine?

Nope, they are a Big Plane engine.

[Ocean1]

So they're NOT a big bang engine?

Rummage... muttermutter...

http://youtu.be/UvTXMtTTKQw

So no, they're not.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Nope, they are a Big Plane engine.

I've seen a couple do big bangs.

[suzuki21]

No, you just didnt have anyone suitably trained to set that stuff up for him and / or he wanted to push his own barrow. The bike as it arrived was set up for another rider quite different in weight, style and tyres used so I wouldnt go fooling yourself about lap time difference being down to one single factor. Notably on closed road race courses such a setup struggled during the last NZ champs, especially in terms of stability of performance.
Moreover it was specifically requested by the benefactors that the forks were NOT to be pulled apart, to change stuff in these requires that the chrome tubes are unscrewed from the lower castings to remove / instal sandwich plates. These oem fork castings /tubes are NOT designed to be pulled apart all the time and everytime you do so some fitting tolerance is lost. When you borrow something you respect the express wishes of the benefactors

I better not mention the black duct tape over the CKT stickers on the fork legs then. Oh - and we won.

[Robert Taylor]

I better not mention the black duct tape over the CKT stickers on the fork legs then. Oh - and we won.

CKT is a domain name registered to another company, which was complicit in belieing the trust that it was specifically requested the forks would not be completely pulled apart. But given that guys brief and torrid weekend in Australia with working on Ohlins stuff I can understand he is not confident with it. Training and a database would have helped considerably.
There is a strong message here that if anyone lends anything to anyone out of goodwill and there is a specific request, then that request is adhered to. Trust and respect are appropriate words.
There was nothing wrong with the gear inside those forks, its all about settings for the individual rider. After all as Craig correctly pointed out the lap record still belongs to Andrew Stroud and he is using exactly the same series of equipment that was removed.
Dan won and good on him, he is an excellent rider.

[Crasherfromwayback]

A good rider on a street circuit like Wanganui can win on anything. It really comes down to the amount of risk you're prepared to take.

[pritch]

So they're NOT a big bang engine?

I've seen the Yamaha referred to as "long Bang" rather than big bang and that vid gives an excellent explanation.

[CHOPPA]

I dont believe there was a track record set this year?

[jellywrestler]

I dont believe there was a track record set this year?
yep there was Choppa; at least in post classic sidecars but later in the day the screen in the commentators tower at least wasn't giving that detail anyway so don't even know where that rumour started re Stauffer getting a lap record.

[CHOPPA]

yep there was Choppa; at least in post classic sidecars but later in the day the screen in the commentators tower at least wasn't giving that detail anyway so don't even know where that rumour started re Stauffer getting a lap record.

Im sure a post classic side car didnt get the track record, do you know what it is and when it was set?

[CHOPPA]

I read somewhere Dan is doing the Nationals, if so thats prob due to how well he did there so it obviously counts for something. Will be good to have him at the nats! Well good and bad....

[denill]

The R1, to me, sounds more like a triple. The above google quote omits the term 'big bang' firing order...I understand that to mean that 2 cylinders fire together and the other two with some separation as normal. Seems to work too.

<a href=http://www.yamaha-motor.com/content/49/R1%20Engine%20Sound.aspx>Have a listen:</A> :drool:

[jellywrestler]

Im sure a post classic side car didnt get the track record, do you know what it is and when it was set?
sorry Choppa, I was reffering to lap record, Shirriffs knows all the details on that one Stroud has it BTW.

[CHOPPA]

sorry Choppa, I was reffering to lap record, Shirriffs knows all the details on that one Stroud has it BTW.

Yeah I thought he said 06, the best I can find is actually Nick last year

[MSTRS]

Have a listen :drool:

No denying - they do sound lovely.
Big bang - or not - that is what they were described to me as being, by an early purchaser of one here in the bay. And this explanation on YouTube uses the term in the title...
<iframe width="420" height="315" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/Myfp2sUducE" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

[Robert Taylor]

I've seen the Yamaha referred to as "long Bang" rather than big bang and that vid gives an excellent explanation.

Either way they do sound really good

[Sensei]

I dont believe there was a track record set this year?

Saddly Choppa it wasn't a record set by bikes .... it was a record set by being one of the slowest days of racing .. I can only hope that all involved can come together to being this event back to the days of old , or as some others have said this event may just end up a " By gone memory "

[suzuki21]

CKT is a domain name registered to another company, which was complicit in belieing the trust that it was specifically requested the forks would not be completely pulled apart. But given that guys brief and torrid weekend in Australia with working on Ohlins stuff I can understand he is not confident with it. Training and a database would have helped considerably.
There is a strong message here that if anyone lends anything to anyone out of goodwill and there is a specific request, then that request is adhered to. Trust and respect are appropriate words.
There was nothing wrong with the gear inside those forks, its all about settings for the individual rider. After all as Craig correctly pointed out the lap record still belongs to Andrew Stroud and he is using exactly the same series of equipment that was removed.
Dan won and good on him, he is an excellent rider.

Robert, I have always respected the work you put in for riders and racing in general, but I dont know why as a bussiness man you are being so childish and attacking anyone that isnt a client of yours. Sorry, but you arent the only person in the world that does suspension work, and we dont tell the rider what he wants, he tells us.
1. People feeding from the trough with multiple rider teams? Is obvious who you are getting at, when you mortgage your house and sell all your stuff to get the riders to the track then I will respect you.
2. When the rider says "I dont like that go with this" we do it. If the rider likes something to be done we do it, its all about what the rider wants/needs not what you can sell them.
3. I didnt know you were Tony's spokesperson
4.You are right there wasnt anything wrong with the gear in the forks for Tony, but there was for Dan. You touched on before about different riders etc.
5. How the hell did this turn into a whinge thread about recession blah blah from being pissed off at drunken louts at prize giving?

[Billy]

[QUOTE=suzuki21;1130225924
How the hell did this turn into a whinge thread about recession blah blah from being pissed off at drunken louts at prize giving?[/QUOTE]

Cause this is Kiwibiker where we never let the facts get in the way of a good story LOL!

[merv]

I dont believe there was a track record set this year?

I think what everyone referred to was what was on MYLAPS I'd guess - it still says this now against the RH Memorial Race so somehow the system thought he set a new record, if he didn't the system needs its history updating:

"16:46 New Track Record (49.081) for F1 by Dan Stauffer. 16:50 checker @ 4.51 "

[Robert Taylor]

Robert, I have always respected the work you put in for riders and racing in general, but I dont know why as a bussiness man you are being so childish and attacking anyone that isnt a client of yours. Sorry, but you arent the only person in the world that does suspension work, and we dont tell the rider what he wants, he tells us.
1. People feeding from the trough with multiple rider teams? Is obvious who you are getting at, when you mortgage your house and sell all your stuff to get the riders to the track then I will respect you.
2. When the rider says "I dont like that go with this" we do it. If the rider likes something to be done we do it, its all about what the rider wants/needs not what you can sell them.
3. I didnt know you were Tony's spokesperson
4.You are right there wasnt anything wrong with the gear in the forks for Tony, but there was for Dan. You touched on before about different riders etc.
5. How the hell did this turn into a whinge thread about recession blah blah from being pissed off at drunken louts at prize giving?

Given that I have pulled a few of those forks apart my comments about losing fitting tolerance every time you do so ( and therefore shortening the ultimate life of the forks ) is VERY relevant.
There are plenty of us who have done plenty for people at minimal or no charge over many years and yes there is freedom of choice. That includes Rays excellent WP product and when you compete with him you know that its a straight game and such things as domain names arent being registered behind your back. Or trying to get the Race Tech distributorship right after doing a course here in NZ. Sigh, you mention respect and being childish.....
The recession affects all of our lives, including budgets to go racing. If you borrow stuff you have respect, unfortunately over the years in road racing I have ( in general ) seen a lot of stuff borrowed and returned in a condition the worse for it.

[Shaun]

CKT is a domain name registered to another company, which was complicit in belieing the trust that it was specifically requested the forks would not be completely pulled apart. But given that guys brief and torrid weekend in Australia with working on Ohlins stuff I can understand he is not confident with it. Training and a database would have helped considerably.
There is a strong message here that if anyone lends anything to anyone out of goodwill and there is a specific request, then that request is adhered to. Trust and respect are appropriate words.
There was nothing wrong with the gear inside those forks, its all about settings for the individual rider. After all as Craig correctly pointed out the lap record still belongs to Andrew Stroud and he is using exactly the same series of equipment that was removed.
Dan won and good on him, he is an excellent rider.


Months back when I was being a total wanker still with you Robert and taking sides with Kerry Dukic to try and take customers away from you ( Total wanker I am I know) he used to ring me all the time and pretend to be a real friend and just talk so much rubbish about you and Shane and laugh about the fact that he had claimed the CKT name, he also used to claim he was good enough I-T wise to be able to access data from your guys systems?

Kerry is a crap sportsman and a fukin terrible dangerous person to be working on motorbikes


* I WAS ACTUALLY STUPID ENOUGH TO BELIEVE THAT KERRY DID KNOW WHAT HE WAS DOING, Untill I worked on bikes he had worked on.

I am not in any kind of buisness here in NZ any more, so do not need to take sides based on money, I only take sides with people I consider to be friends, and after how I have acted towards you Robert, I respect you even mre as a man now than before

[jrandom]

... :corn:

[Frenchy]

Getting a little of topic guys, (we all know who has the biggest cock on here.....)

sad about the races being delayed was the first time i missed the race in quiet some time but it didnt sound like i missed to much, over recent years i think everyone has seen the spectators getting more and more out of control and showing a total lack of respect for people and property.

I think there should be a few changes to provide safer spectating areas or not alloying people to certain areas to increase saftey, id hate to see an accident that would cause everyone to miss out!!

And alos if rider choses not to race there that is totally there call after all its there ares in the hot seat!!

good luck next year and i hope it runs a little smoother! im not sure at this stage if ill race it again or not :(

[Robert Taylor]

There is of course nothing wrong with healthy competition. It is though unhealthy when a competitor deliberately tries to undermine you and employs underhand tactics.

[Robert Taylor]

Getting a little of topic guys, (we all know who has the biggest cock on here.....)

sad about the races being delayed was the first time i missed the race in quiet some time but it didnt sound like i missed to much, over recent years i think everyone has seen the spectators getting more and more out of control and showing a total lack of respect for people and property.

I think there should be a few changes to provide safer spectating areas or not alloying people to certain areas to increase saftey, id hate to see an accident that would cause everyone to miss out!!

And alos if rider choses not to race there that is totally there call after all its there ares in the hot seat!!

good luck next year and i hope it runs a little smoother! im not sure at this stage if ill race it again or not :(

Well said Frenchy and I guess that was what I was trying to primarily drive at, spectator safety. Improved safety would inevitably come at a cost, reflected in a higher gate price. But already people grizzle at the ( very reasonable ) gate prices and as Jellywrestler correctly said ''you are damned if you do and damned if you dont''
It would be a shame to lose the ''up close and in your face'' spectacle of street racing. Any improved safety measures would somehow have to not sanitize / detract from the spectacle. Doing nothing at all invites an earlier demise.

[grantnz]

And there is a huge part of the problem with street racing these days, The LACK of QUALITY of riders on the grid!!!!!!

To many CLUB SCENE only riders, not serious racers, hence all the crashes these days and oil spills all over the course

My first ever road race was Wanganui 1983, Countrywide Bank Series, finished 2nd to last in Junior Proddy RZ350, no cut off/qualifiying times, no tyre warmers or slicks, no Ohlin/Dukic supension, sign in and scrutineering 6 am on race day. Shit myself and and had a ball all at the same time. Went back most years to 1990 racing.
Now a spectator, last time I went was 2 or 3 years ago, left at 4pm when they were up to race 9 of 26 races. Why do they crash with all the good gear these days?
Robert Holden would be spinning in his grave listening to this shit about about mylaps/records, a race/meeting named after him.

[jellywrestler]

Doing nothing at all invites an earlier demise.

Fairs Fair Robert, the Cemetery Circuit Safety has a evolved a long way in the last five years alone, and they'll be looking at every incident this year for ways to improve it and also I'm sure anyone who takes the time to contact them with suggestions too.
They definitely haven't been doing 'nothing'

[grantnz]

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My first ever road race was Wanganui 1983, Countrywide Bank Series, finished 2nd to last in Junior Proddy RZ350, no cut off/qualifiying times, no tyre warmers or slicks, no Ohlin/Dukic supension, sign in and scrutineering 6 am on race day. Shit myself and and had a ball all at the same time. Went back most years to 1990 racing.
Now a spectator, last time I went was 2 or 3 years ago, left at 4pm when they were up to race 9 of 26 races. Why do they crash with all the good gear these days?
Robert Holden would be spinning in his grave listening to this shit about about mylaps/records, a race/meeting named after him. 1111

[Shaun]

My first ever road race was Wanganui 1983, Countrywide Bank Series, finished 2nd to last in Junior Proddy RZ350, no cut off/qualifiying times, no tyre warmers or slicks, no Ohlin/Dukic supension, sign in and scrutineering 6 am on race day. Shit myself and and had a ball all at the same time. Went back most years to 1990 racing.
Now a spectator, last time I went was 2 or 3 years ago, left at 4pm when they were up to race 9 of 26 races. Why do they crash with all the good gear these days?
Robert Holden would be spinning in his grave listening to this shit about about mylaps/records, a race/meeting named after him.





exactually, it is because the new generation of so called racers are SOFT COCKS pure and simple!


Balls? yes they have them on the internet or some where, but in the old fashioned real world they are fukin useless

[Shaun]

Fairs Fair Robert, the Cemetery Circuit Safety has a evolved a long way in the last five years alone, and they'll be looking at every incident this year for ways to improve it and also I'm sure anyone who takes the time to contact them with suggestions too.
They definitely haven't been doing 'nothing'



Faris fare my arse spider, you have become so involved in the politics of the inside of this shit with spending money to get ozzie riders out here to becoming a ( Sorry mate) boring bad commentator, that you cannot honestly diforce your self any longer!

Whilst I praise you for trying, I honestly thought you had more strength and integrigatity in ya

Guess it is all the drugs and SHIT you poke at others ( Whilst swallowing yourself spinner) is causing the problem here with respecting you any longer, but of course that will not stop me from reading about my passion and typing

[jellywrestler]

Faris fare my arse spider, you have become so involved in the politics of the inside of this shit with spending money to get ozzie riders out here to becoming a ( Sorry mate) boring bad commentator, that you cannot honestly diforce your self any longer!

Whilst I praise you for trying, I honestly thought you had more strength and integrigatity in ya

Guess it is all the drugs and SHIT you poke at others ( Whilst swallowing yourself spinner) is causing the problem here with respecting you any longer, but of course that will not stop me from reading about my passion and typing
That's your opinion Shaun, and you're entitled to it.
Like it or loathe it the Cemetery Circuit has been developing it's safety all along you may have noticed, among other things Air Fences, yes the same ones that are sometimes loaned to Manfeild, and a good section of them stationed at Hampton Downs for most of the year when they're not needed at the Cemetery Circuit, and have been offered to lend to Paeroa, but declined.
Safety is not perfect but it is constantly being looked at and upgraded my point is they don't sit back and do nothing.

[Kickaha]

Why do they crash with all the good gear these days?
Same reason people always have, because they're pushing hard and probably going a damn sight faster than anyone probably dreamed was possible back in your day

[Crasherfromwayback]

Faris fare my arse spider, you have become so involved in the politics of the inside of this shit with spending money to get ozzie riders out here to becoming a ( Sorry mate) boring bad commentator, that you cannot honestly diforce your self any longer!

Whilst I praise you for trying, I honestly thought you had more strength and integrigatity in ya

Guess it is all the drugs and SHIT you poke at others ( Whilst swallowing yourself spinner) is causing the problem here with respecting you any longer, but of course that will not stop me from reading about my passion and typing

You need to take a look in the mirror. At least Spyda has never phoned my boss to complain about what I say on this site. Bit rich of you to call out others over 'integrity'.

[Shaun]

That's your opinion Shaun, and you're entitled to it.
Like it or loathe it the Cemetery Circuit has been developing it's safety all along you may have noticed, among other things Air Fences, yes the same ones that are sometimes loaned to Manfeild, and a good section of them stationed at Hampton Downs for most of the year when they're not needed at the Cemetery Circuit, and have been offered to lend to Paeroa, but declined.
Safety is not perfect but it is constantly being looked at and upgraded my point is they don't sit back and do nothing.



safety is NOT the only problem Spider, CRAP CRAP managemenent is the main problem and has been for many years now

[Shaun]

You need to take a look in the mirror. At least Spyda has never phoned my boss to complain about what I say on this site. Bit rich of you to call out others over 'integrity'.


at least I was honest :baby:

[Robert Taylor]

Fairs Fair Robert, the Cemetery Circuit Safety has a evolved a long way in the last five years alone, and they'll be looking at every incident this year for ways to improve it and also I'm sure anyone who takes the time to contact them with suggestions too.
They definitely haven't been doing 'nothing'

Fair statement and I dont envy the task

[MSTRS]

exactually, it is because the new generation of so called racers are SOFT COCKS pure and simple!


Balls? yes they have them on the internet or some where, but in the old fashioned real world they are fukin useless

Come on. Even you don't believe that.
Everyone pushes just as hard as anyone ever did, relative to the equipment. The gear is much better, so the speeds are faster and the margin for error is finer than it ever was.
Besides, the world is very different place to when you (& I, let's face it) were young wannabes. It is no longer acceptable to accept death as a part of racing. You can hanker all you like for a return to the 'old days' - it's not likely to happen anytime soon. FFS - they used to crucify people, burn women at the stake, send people to the other side of the world for stealing a loaf of bread, put heads on spikes at the city gates. In the (really) old days, they used to live in caves and were scared of sabretooths...
The world has moved on. Get used to it.

[codgyoleracer]

My first ever road race was Wanganui 1983, Countrywide Bank Series, finished 2nd to last in Junior Proddy RZ350, no cut off/qualifiying times, no tyre warmers or slicks, no Ohlin/Dukic supension, sign in and scrutineering 6 am on race day. Shit myself and and had a ball all at the same time. Went back most years to 1990 racing.
Now a spectator, last time I went was 2 or 3 years ago, left at 4pm when they were up to race 9 of 26 races. Why do they crash with all the good gear these days?
Robert Holden would be spinning in his grave listening to this shit about about mylaps/records, a race/meeting named after him.

Haha , i am old enough to remember bashing handlebars with you in the late 80's, didnt know you were nearly a ten year veteren back then........... :-)
IMO riders crash just as much now as they did then, its a simple formula really big fields in most classes & a tight (ish) mostly "one line only" circuit. People run out of room real quick. As you know yourself, - unless you have a "what if" escape plan for that tight manouvre your about to pull on someone at a circuit like W(h)wanganui , then you and others around you can be in deep shit reaaal quick.
Chuck in the usual % of club boys and semi-novice riders into the mix - and you have a recipe for the occasional woopsie.
Waiting on average 7-10min on the dummy grid with modern tyres (that hate getting cool), adds another dimension.

One simple solution Jelly to 1st & 2nd corner carnage at Wangas is to stagger & space the start grids to a greater level & move the start finish line forward a bit.

My 2c worth. See ya next year :-)

GW

[Crasherfromwayback]

at least I was honest :baby:

I'll give you that you old coot!

[roogazza]

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Thanks for the old photo Grant, poor old Nev's (# 41) not here anymore.
I wonder if anyone on here ? Is older than me. I started at Wanganui in the rain 1970, whenever the T350 Suzukis came out. Pity, photos weren't so plentiful in those days.
(yes they had cameras then !!)lol.

[Shaun]

I'll give you that you old coot!



Fair play to you also Squire

[Billy]

Thanks for the old photo Grant, poor old Nev's (# 41) not here anymore.
I wonder if anyone on here ? Is older than me. I started at Wanganui in the rain 1970, whenever the T350 Suzukis came out. Pity, photos weren't so plentiful in those days.
(yes they had cameras then !!)lol.

Yip,I was there,As a spectator only,That was the year Alan Brown from Stokes Valley was killed wasnt it? Oh and dont you mean "315" Suzuki??? Didnt get any piccies though sadly

[roogazza]

Yip,I was there,As a spectator only,That was the year Alan Brown from Stokes Valley was killed wasnt it? Oh and dont you mean "315" Suzuki??? Didnt get any piccies though sadly

All I can remember was Open Prod,John Woodley won it on a
CB750, the pissing rain and me 8th.
Yes 315cc and with no ohlins,just TT100s.

[Grumph]

Thanks for the old photo Grant, poor old Nev's (# 41) not here anymore.
I wonder if anyone on here ? Is older than me. I started at Wanganui in the rain 1970, whenever the T350 Suzukis came out. Pity, photos weren't so plentiful in those days.
(yes they had cameras then !!)lol.

The T350's came out summer of 70/71 - i had the first reg on the road in ChCh - and raced it at Levels 3 days after purchase...
I'd already been racing for a season.

Could never afford to go to wanganui as a rider though - had to wait until I was taken to look after customer bikes.

[Kickaha]

Balls? yes they have them on the internet or some where, but in the old fashioned real world they are fukin useless

They don't sound to much different from you then

[BIG DOUG]

Shit grantnz I lived in the house just to the left of the rz pic,we used to hook the sidecar up to the morrie thou and tow it to the pits and ride it home.

[Frenchy]

the new generation of so called racers are SOFT COCKS

Thats it im going to pull mine out next time i see you and slap you round with it!!!!

[grantnz]

Shit grantnz I lived in the house just to the left of the rz pic,we used to hook the sidecar up to the morrie thou and tow it to the pits and ride it home.

Thats what street circuits were about then , my own personal view of course.

The point is, street circuits were never treated as proper race tracks, but more like an exhibition of motorcycle racing for the public to get up close with, they used to pay good prize money, and it was a party atmosphere.
Some people of course took it more seriously.

If you want to ride at 110%, there are tracks like Manfeild, Pukekoe, Ruapuna, Teretonga, and Levels. If you come off at 210kmph there, you most likely walk away. At Wanganui you ride at 95% and only crash once in 5 years.

Racing for points as part of a Series/ Championship at a street meeting is not a smart thing to do.

Soft Cock Membership initiation complete.

[GD66]

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Who are we picking in that pic ? Nev Hiscock and Robert Holden, plus maybe Bob Toomey (#57) on the WMC Suzukis. #43 Richard Scott on the Valley Yamaha. #10 Allan DeLautour.
Is #48 Ian Dawson? Is #65 John Marsh ?
I think #153 might be Kevin Maxwell on the TZ, but have no idea who 0 is on the RG500 Suzuki....looka busy, though...:drool:

[grantnz]

Who are we picking in that pic ? Nev Hiscock and Robert Holden, plus maybe Bob Toomey (#57) on the WMC Suzukis. #43 Richard Scott on the Valley Yamaha. #10 Allan DeLautour.
Is #48 Ian Dawson? Is #65 John Marsh ?
I think #153 might be Kevin Maxwell on the TZ, but have no idea who 0 is on the RG500 Suzuki....looka busy, though...:drool:

Robert Holden

[grantnz]

Old days at Wanganui

[Brian d marge]

Sorry cant resist it ...

" the old days "

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So much simpler then .........

Stephen

[Grumph]

The point is, street circuits were never treated as proper race tracks, but more like an exhibition of motorcycle racing for the public to get up close with, they used to pay good prize money, and it was a party atmosphere.
Some people of course took it more seriously.

If you want to ride at 110%, there are tracks like Manfeild, Pukekoe, Ruapuna, Teretonga, and Levels. If you come off at 210kmph there, you most likely walk away. At Wanganui you ride at 95% and only crash once in 5 years.

Racing for points as part of a Series/ Championship at a street meeting is not a smart thing to do.

Soft Cock Membership initiation complete.

Dead right....and they were originally fund raisers for the local community. At least in the SI they still are. There used to be a lot of street race meetings in the 50's - no permanent circuits then.

[roogazza]

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So, couple of oldies still going, great.
Here is one of my earlier pics from Onekawa 72 . I believe the guy in third was one of the first RD350s.

[jellywrestler]

Dead right....and they were originally fund raisers for the local community. At least in the SI they still are.
Programmes at the Cemetery Circuit this year were a fund raiser for the wanganui Hospice, there was also some money donated to the Hospice from some tickets sales through charity auctions via a third party. And paeroa has a few local organisations on their team of helpers as fund raisers for their clubs etc

[Maha]

From Crosby's website...

Accidents were part and parcel of racing on the street circuits of New Zealand.
Head butting lamp-posts and gutters were always a possibility and losing skin was an occupational hazard but surprisingly very few injuries plagued the top riders and certainly no fatalities were suffered so all in all remove the thought of blood and the odd compound fracture it Wanganui was always a safe racetrack.

...and two legends in the one shot...Holden leading Neville Hiscock.

[Robert Taylor]

Programmes at the Cemetery Circuit this year were a fund raiser for the wanganui Hospice, there was also some money donated to the Hospice from some tickets sales through charity auctions via a third party. And paeroa has a few local organisations on their team of helpers as fund raisers for their clubs etc

That its a community effort is somehow very apparent in Paeroa, thanks for the clarification that this very much also applies in Wanganui.
Whilst I still very much maintain that safety needs to improve, the day ( if, as or when ) we lose such street racing would be another piece of NZ that goes awol, just like losing the traditional Kiwi Christmas at the beach / bach.
Things were simpler a few decades back and that in many ways was not so bad.

[Katman]

I remember going to Onekawa in about 1984 and some friends who raced a sidecar who shall remain nameless went out in first practice and were missing after 3 laps. They limped into the pits and the swinger with helmet off, covered in vomit, along with the sidecar deck. We had been up until about 2.30am the night before.

My guess would be Spyda.

[wharfy]

From Crosby's website...

Accidents were part and parcel of racing on the street circuits of New Zealand.
Head butting lamp-posts and gutters were always a possibility and losing skin was an occupational hazard but surprisingly very few injuries plagued the top riders and certainly no fatalities were suffered so all in all remove the thought of blood and the odd compound fracture it Wanganui was always a safe racetrack.



I was speaking to Croz at Whanganui in 2010 - he mentioned in his book seeing a possible fatal crash at Porrirua - I told him I witnessed that also and the rider didn't make it, he low sided, slid across the track feet first, hit the curb, flicked upright and smacked full length into a lamp post, it had a hay bale in front of it that just disintegrated when he hit it.
I have also witnessed a spectator being killed at Hamilton street races, a kid sitting on his dads shoulders. A bike flipped over the hay bales and hit the kid full in the chest. Minutes before Chris Bishop (who recently died in India) and I had been standing in that spot, we only took 30 seconds to decid it was dumb place to stand and it was only when we moved we saw the rope and restricted area signs had been trampled into the mud. We were looking around for a steward or someone to tell when we saw the bike come sailing through the air into the crowd. It was a very sobering experience.

[Edbear]

I was speaking to Croz at Whanganui in 2010 - he mentioned in his book seeing a possible fatal crash at Porrirua - I told him I witnessed that also and the rider didn't make it, he low sided, slid across the track feet first, hit the curb, flicked upright and smacked full length into a lamp post, it had a hay bale in front of it that just disintegrated when he hit it.
I have also witnessed a spectator being killed at Hamilton street races, a kid sitting on his dads shoulders. A bike flipped over the hay bales and hit the kid full in the chest. Minutes before Chris Bishop (who recently died in India) and I had been standing in that spot, we only took 30 seconds to decid it was dumb place to stand and it was only when we moved we saw the rope and restricted area signs had been trampled into the mud. We were looking around for a steward or someone to tell when we saw the bike come sailing through the air into the crowd. It was a very sobering experience.

Regrettably, far too many people do not think about where they are standing watching a race. All racing suffers the idiot spectator problem.

[jellywrestler]

My guess would be Spyda.
Nah mate, may drink a lot of piss but did not hit it before racing especially when I'm responsible for someone else Steve. try Vince Steur...
He had a rep for that.

[cowpoos]

Thats it im going to pull mine out next time i see you and slap you round with it!!!!

dip it in beer first and he'll probally nibble a little on the end of it...:baby:

[quickbuck]

Nah mate, may drink a lot of piss but did not hit it before racing especially when I'm responsible for someone else Steve. try Vince Steur...
He had a rep for that. Something to do with the Air Force culture at the time ;)

[BIG DOUG]

Oh yea those 50 cent stubbie nights ruled,$10.00 for a good night out

[wildman]

That its a community effort is somehow very apparent in Paeroa, thanks for the clarification that this very much also applies in Wanganui.
Whilst I still very much maintain that safety needs to improve, the day ( if, as or when ) we lose such street racing would be another piece of NZ that goes awol, just like losing the traditional Kiwi Christmas at the beach / bach.
Things were simpler a few decades back and that in many ways was not so bad.

I think street circuits have an atmosphere all their own and i prefer them to a true race circuit as they do involve the local community and offer a chance to really see riders up close. But i to have seen some real rocket scientists standing in places that make them human safety fences, and when i've tried to educate them on the possible dangers my birth heritage gets questioned. You can't make circuits idiot proof and i remember when we use to have methanol and open class karts running on street circuits what an awsome site, hopefully bikes and street racing doesn't go the same way becoming just memories from the past.

[Shaun]

Nah mate, may drink a lot of piss but did not hit it before racing especially when I'm responsible for someone else Steve. try Vince Steur...
He had a rep for that.


I will clarify your choice of words here Spider as Vince is a fukin good mate of mine

when you say before racing, I asume you meant to say " The night before racing" !!!!!!!!!!!

and don;t talk shit either, you did just as much on occasions in the old days as the next man did, I was there back then remember dude and one of the party pigs also just as Bob Toomey, john hepburn etc, should I go on

[Viscount Montgomery]

No doubt there are a few non-egotistical down-to-earth bike racers, but it's obvious reading these columns that the motorcycle racing crowd in general is a breeding-ground of mouthy unpleasant un-likeable types with snarky attitude.

Their own heads firmly up their own arses with a sneering self-importance and contempt of others who they dismiss as "losers" or "soft-cocks" who are too "scared" to drag a knee at 250KPH or some crap..

Just tiresome prima-donnas who think they're special people or some shit. You know the sort, you find them in most professions, driven weirdo cunts who if you try talking to them just stare blankly into space with their heads fuck knows where...

With "friends" like these strange bastards who'd ever want enemies.

And BTW the Wanganui races have turned into an incompetently-run joke. A rasping shitty speaker system and constant delays and hold-ups and drunken aggravating pimple-faced gits along with 30 greedy bucks just to get into the fucken place, nah, BIG improvements needed all-round

[wharfy]

No doubt there are a few non-egotistical down-to-earth bike racers, but it's obvious reading these columns that the motorcycle racing crowd in general is a breeding-ground of mouthy unpleasant un-likeable types with snarky attitude.

Their own heads firmly up their own arses with a sneering self-importance and contempt of others who they dismiss as "losers" or "soft-cocks" who are too "scared" to drag a knee at 250KPH or some crap..

Just tiresome prima-donnas who think they're special people or some shit. You know the sort, you find them in most professions, driven weirdo cunts who if you try talking to them just stare blankly into space with their heads fuck knows where...

With "friends" like these strange bastards who'd ever want enemies.

And BTW the Wanganui races have turned into an incompetently-run joke. A rasping shitty speaker system and constant delays and hold-ups and drunken aggravating pimple-faced gits along with 30 greedy bucks just to get into the fucken place, nah, BIG improvements needed all-round

Do you actually know any motor cycle racers or is this rant based entirely on the shit you read on the net ?

[Crasherfromwayback]

if you try talking to them just stare blankly into space with their heads fuck knows where...



Have you just for one minute, ever stopped to think it's because you have absolutely NOTHING worth listening to? I've yet to see anything on this site from you, that's vaguely interesting, helpful or for that matter...funny. All you ever do is spout vile shit. Must go through a shitload of toilet paper.


Do you actually know any motor cycle racers or is this rant based entirely on the shit you read on the net ?

He's too good to bother with racers.

[scracha]

Do you actually know any motor cycle racers or is this rant based entirely on the shit you read on the net ?

As per usual, Viscunt Montgomery is fantasising about being scary bubba biker. As far as he's concerned, anyone who rides a "plastic japper" is a f#cking c!nt so that makes the majority of racers scum in his eyes. Not sure how he'd class a Bimota rider though :laugh:

As with most relics from the 50's, just ignore as they'll soon be dead.

For the record, most racers are very passionate about the sport and there's nothing wrong with that.

[Shaun]

No doubt there are a few non-egotistical down-to-earth bike racers, but it's obvious reading these columns that the motorcycle racing crowd in general is a breeding-ground of mouthy unpleasant un-likeable types with snarky attitude.

Their own heads firmly up their own arses with a sneering self-importance and contempt of others who they dismiss as "losers" or "soft-cocks" who are too "scared" to drag a knee at 250KPH or some crap..

Just tiresome prima-donnas who think they're special people or some shit. You know the sort, you find them in most professions, driven weirdo cunts who if you try talking to them just stare blankly into space with their heads fuck knows where...

With "friends" like these strange bastards who'd ever want enemies.

And BTW the Wanganui races have turned into an incompetently-run joke. A rasping shitty speaker system and constant delays and hold-ups and drunken aggravating pimple-faced gits along with 30 greedy bucks just to get into the fucken place, nah, BIG improvements needed all-round




you are so correct, now fuk of you jerk soft cock cunt hiding behind a bullshit name on a wb site, you are so strong it makes me proud to be a kiwi male PUKE

[Billy]

As with most relics from the 50's, just ignore as they'll soon be dead.



Oi!!Fuck off you or you'll never see your bodywork again,You leave us baby boomers alone,We're allowed to be grumpy cause we're old LOL!

[RobGassit]

Dear Mr Viscount Montgomery,,Mate, Please whatever you do, don't think in anyway that this is a personal comment, but you are a cock!

[jellywrestler]

I will clarify your choice of words here Spider as Vince is a fukin good mate of mine

when you say before racing, I asume you meant to say " The night before racing" !!!!!!!!!!!

and don;t talk shit either, you did just as much on occasions in the old days as the next man did, I was there back then remember dude and one of the party pigs also just as Bob Toomey, john hepburn etc, should I go on

Vince is a mate of mine and I'm not trying to knock, Shaun.
OK I did mean the night before and I never hit the piss the night before I was racing I was not only responsible for my own life etc the next day but my riders and indeed everyone else on the track too, the night after I usually turned into a Truck Load of Spastics, and still do...