WilliamsWarn Personal Brewer?

[Scouse]

So who has seen these WilliamsWarn Personal brewers before I think it is such a great idea especialy as it is a Kiwi invention I am seriously thinking about buying one of these
http://www.williamswarn.com/

[SMOKEU]

No, no, no! Anyone who tells you that you can get good quality homebrew beer in 7 days is full of shit. It takes a minimum of 6 weeks for the beer to even be drinkable from start to finish.

You'd be a lot better off just buying a fermenter, wash hydrometer, airlock, airlock grommet and stirring spoon. Buy some Coopers homebrew kits from Pak n Save, then dry hop with hop pellets or dried hops.

It's a scam. For a decent brew it will take at least 3 months from start to finish.

[Usarka]

None of the commercial brews take anywhere near 3 months.

[Madness]

It's not a scam. Ian Williams is a brilliant young New Zealander (and a GC) who has developed the WW Personal Brewery after years of working as a Master Brewer for Heineken. The machines sell for around NZD$5,500 and are manufactured in Hawkes Bay. I attended a conference earlier in the year where this machine was displayed & beer was dispensed for attendees to sample. The verdict; "World class".

You could win one! (http://www.tradezone.co.nz/caliper/page1-full.htm)

[SMOKEU]

None of the commercial brews take anywhere near 3 months.

I've been making a lot of homebrew beer and it does take around 3 months from start to finish to get a decent brew. Those commercial brews like Speights, Tui, Export Gold etc are nothing more than slightly alcoholic pond water.

I can guarantee that the beer from this kit will taste nasty and leave a bad hangover if you dare get drunk off it.

[Madness]

I can guarantee that the beer from this kit will taste nasty and leave a bad hangover if you dare get drunk off it.

Until you've tried it you're simply talking out of your arse. Again. It's not a home brew system, FFS.

[SMOKEU]

It's not a home brew system, FFS.

Then what is it? Have you ever brewed beer before? I've made a lot of beer with different kits, and the science is the same. These kits all use malt extract which contains barley malt, hops and water. You mix it with boiling water, then add cold water to bring the temperature between 20-25°C (for an ale yeast), then add the yeast.

The yeast will take a minimum of 1 week to bring a brew with a SG of 1.04 to 1.01. The beer will ferment faster at higher temperatures, although that will increase the amount of higher order alcohols (alcohols with more than 2 carbon atoms) such as fusels as well as 1-propanol, 2-propanol, butanol and amyl alcohol. These alcohols are what cause hangovers.

It should then be left for another 2 weeks to age, then dry hopped, then left for another week to 10 days, then bottled or kegged. At 20°C it will take around 3 weeks just for the beer to carbonate, after which it should be left for another month at least to condition before it's ready to drink.

Higher SG brews take longer to condition. Go to www.homebrewtalk.com and do some research before you start accusing me of talking shit. Start reading a bit about biology and how yeast actually work.

Commercial brews are nothing like homebrew beer.

[Madness]

do some research before you start accusing me of talking shit.

Maybe you should do some research before continuing so spout off irrelevant shit about something you obviously know nothing about. Cock.

Isn't that your Mummy calling you?

[SMOKEU]

Maybe you should do some research before continuing so spout off irrelevant shit about something you obviously know nothing about. Cock.

Isn't that your Mummy calling you?

So let me guess, what I said before was a bit too technical for you to understand so you're now spitting the dummy because you can't even put up a decent argument, and you can't even give me a scientific reason as to why you think you're right.

[Madness]

So let me guess, what I said before was a bit too technical for you to understand so you're now spitting the dummy because you can't even put up a decent argument, and you can't even give me a scientific reason as to why you think you're right.

No, actually. I just think you're a cock.

[SMOKEU]

No, actually. I just think you're a cock.

Launching a personal attack on me still doesn't explain why you're right and why I'm wrong. I'm still waiting for your scientific reasoning as to why you think you're so right.

Simply saying "I just think you're a cock" is a pretty childish way to prove someone wrong as a last ditch effort to win an argument you know that you're never going to win.

[Madness]

Launching a personal attack on me still doesn't explain why you're right and why I'm wrong. I'm still waiting for your scientific reasoning as to why you think you're so right.

Simply saying "I just think you're a cock" is a pretty childish way to prove someone wrong as a last ditch effort to win an argument you know that you're never going to win.

See, now there's your problem. You spend all day arguing with cunts on the internets that you think everything is about right & wrong. I wasn't attempting to argue with you or disprove anything you posted. Simply stating my own personal opinion, that being that you are a cock.

Have you perused the WlliamsWarn website? Or perhaps that's futile, seeing as nobody will ever know as much as yourself on the subject of brewing beer?

Cock.

[SMOKEU]

See, now there's your problem. You spend all day arguing with cunts on the internets that you think everything is about right & wrong. I wasn't attempting to argue with you or disprove anything you posted. Simply stating my own personal opinion, that being that you are a cock.

Have you perused the WlliamsWarn website? Or perhaps that's futile, seeing as nobody will ever know as much as yourself on the subject of brewing beer?

Cock.

Thanks for the compliment yet again. I have gone to the WilliamsWarn website and I have watched the video they have showing how the system works. I have done a fair bit of reading on that website as well. Even though there is a lot I don't know about brewing beer (I'm by no means an expert), I still know enough about the subject to know when someone is talking shit.

I never said the system won't work, it's just that it will at best only produce bad tasting beer with a strong "cidery" taste. If you would like to know how to brew beer then I'm happy to guide you though it with any questions you may have on the topic. It's a very rewarding hobby, especially getting your first batch of beer which tastes better than the supermarket stuff!

If you get a spam email promising to enlarge your cock by 3" in 7 days for one easy payment of $29.95, will you also believe it? What about those "I work from home and earn $US5,000 a month for 10 hours work" spam emails. Do you believe that as well?

[sil3nt]

I hate home brewers. All they do is go on about how good their stuff is and how shit the stuff is off the shelf. I drink what tastes good dont give a fuck where it came from!

[SMOKEU]

I hate home brewers. All they do is go on about how good their stuff is and how shit the stuff is off the shelf. I drink what tastes good dont give a fuck where it came from!

It costs me around $3/L to make vodka (including all ingredients and electricity to run the still). It's at least as good as the $30/L stuff from a liquor store. Win.

[HenryDorsetCase]

I listened to an interview with him on the radio, and tried to win one when Boundary Road were doing one as a prize. He had a lot of really interesting things to say about oxidisation and such.

I was quite seriously talking to three friends about buying one between us: $1500 in each give or take, and 5l of beer each a week. We havent done it yet. The issue is that I have really cut down on my drinking over the last six months (it was getting a bit out of hand for a while) so I would not see the benefit from it.

Heres the audio

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[Madness]

I was fortunate enough to spend a couple of hours in the company of Ian Williams earlier this year. I know very little about the art of brewing but know enough about Ian to understand that he is a Master Brewer and has stepped back from a highly rewarding career with multi-nationals to pursue this business venture. The conference I alluded to earlier was attended by a number of blokes with decades of personal experience with home brewing and not one of them had anything but high praise for Ians machine and the beer it produces.

Do you really believe that the youngest person ever to be awarded the title of Master Brewer, who has travelled the world working in & setting up new breweries for the biggest names in the industry is going to walk away from that to pursue what you describe as a "scam" from little old New Zealand?.

If you do believe that then you're even more narrow-minded than I thought.

Cock.

[SMOKEU]

Cock.

You seem to really like using that word. Is there something you want to tell us?

[Madness]

Is there something you want to tell us?

Yes.

SMOKEU IS A COCK.

Thanks for the opportunity to get that off my chest :msn-wink:

Bring back SkidMark.

[SMOKEU]

Yes.

SMOKEU IS A COCK.

Thanks for the opportunity to get that off my chest :msn-wink:

Cheers :first:

[HenryDorsetCase]

I was fortunate enough to spend a couple of hours in the company of Ian Williams earlier this year. I know very little about the art of brewing but know enough about Ian to understand that he is a Master Brewer and has stepped back from a highly rewarding career with multi-nationals to pursue this business venture. The conference I alluded to earlier was attended by a number of blokes with decades of personal experience with home brewing and not one of them had anything but high praise for Ians machine and the beer it produces.

Do you really believe that the youngest person ever to be awarded the title of Master Brewer, who has travelled the world working in & setting up new breweries for the biggest names in the industry is going to walk away from that to pursue what you describe as a "scam" from little old New Zealand?.

If you do believe that then you're even more narrow-minded than I thought.

Cock.

The "Ignore" function is the best thing about KB. Now I dont see posts from people who are dicks. Mr smokeu is one of them.

[Bikemad]

where is the ignore button henry

[Bikemad]

all good............found it...........he's now on it.........cheers

[Madness]

The little cock is only in 11th place!

1st 28 skidMark
2nd 27 Katman
3rd 18 renegade master
4th 16 dipshit
5th 15 SixPackBack
6th 15 carver
7th 14 boomer
8th 13 DangerousBastard
9th 13 Sidewinder
10th 12 imdying
11th 11 SMOKEU
12th 10 short-circuit
13th 8 Boob Johnson
14th 7 mikey
15th 7 idleidolidyll

[SMOKEU]

The little cock is only in 11th place!



Seriously, what the fuck is wrong with you? Were you dropped at birth or something? The fact that you love to talk about cock so much means that you're probably a little faggot in denial.

[Madness]

Keep going Smokey, Top-10 now!

:niceone:

[trustme]

The little cock is only in 11th place!

1st 28 skidMark
2nd 27 Katman
3rd 18 renegade master
4th 16 dipshit
5th 15 SixPackBack
6th 15 carver
7th 14 boomer
8th 13 DangerousBastard
9th 13 Sidewinder
10th 12 imdying
11th 11 SMOKEU
12th 10 short-circuit
13th 8 Boob Johnson
14th 7 mikey
15th 7 idleidolidyll

Bugger me , your version of KB must be pretty quiet. :):):)

[HenryDorsetCase]

Bugger me , your version of KB must be pretty quiet. :):):)

filled with interesting adults having conversations about motorbikes. and other stuff.

[Scouse]

No, no, no! Anyone who tells you that you can get good quality homebrew beer in 7 days is full of shit. It takes a minimum of 6 weeks for the beer to even be drinkable from start to finish.

You'd be a lot better off just buying a fermenter, wash hydrometer, airlock, airlock grommet and stirring spoon. Buy some Coopers homebrew kits from Pak n Save, then dry hop with hop pellets or dried hops.

It's a scam. For a decent brew it will take at least 3 months from start to finish.Ah so your are a master brewer then?

[SMOKEU]

Ah so your are a master brewer then?

No, are you?

[Katman]

Keep going Smokey, Top-10 now!

:niceone:

He's still got a long way to go.

[Scouse]

No, are you?no but Ian Williams is so I defer to his superior knowlage in this case

[Scouse]

The little cock is only in 11th place!

1st 28 skidMark
2nd 27 Katman
3rd 18 renegade master
4th 16 dipshit
5th 15 SixPackBack
6th 15 carver
7th 14 boomer
8th 13 DangerousBastard
9th 13 Sidewinder
10th 12 imdying
11th 11 SMOKEU
12th 10 short-circuit
13th 8 Boob Johnson
14th 7 mikey
15th 7 idleidolidyllJeez there are some good people amongst that ignor list But I also thought that that cheesey nobed Poonjarb would have been number one on your ignor list

[Madness]

Jeez there are some good people amongst that ignor list But I also thought that that cheesey nobed Poonjarb would have been number one on your ignor list

That's the site's top-ignored list. I don't ignore anyone, although Her Indoors might disagree with that statement.

[Usarka]

I hate home brewers. All they do is go on about how good their stuff is and how shit the stuff is off the shelf. I drink what tastes good dont give a fuck where it came from!

Yet they'd probably jizz themselves with delight if a batch of their homebrew tasted like heineken.

[scissorhands]

What does the 6k machine do that is worth it? I imagine ease of use, does it make better beer?

[Scouse]

What does the 6k machine do that is worth it? I imagine ease of use, does it make better beer?aparently it does look at the videos on their web site.
I am going to go to their show room next week where I will get to sample the brew from there I will decide wether to buy one or not

[davereid]

None of the commercial brews take anywhere near 3 months.

I make a lot of beer at home. You can certainly do it faster than 3 months, but it is fair to say the the beer is at is best with a few months rest.

Due to DB Breweries trademarking the RADLER style of beer, and thus ensuring that only DB can supply RADLER in New Zealand, I banned DB products from my home and workplace, including DB merchandise.

I have been known to throw customers wearing DB shirts out, so its taken seriously.

So I was surprised when an old mate showed up, carrying a case of TUI and expecting not to be chucked out.

But his visit was cunning.

He said Tui is so far from being a beer, that even DB dont have the cheek to put the word beer on it.

I checked, and nowhere on the packaging, bottles, anywhere does DB use the word BEER to describe TUI.

Maybe he is right. I think so. So I have broken my own rule, and I have allowed a TUI poster on the wall.

DB Make Beer.... Yeah right.

[Brian d marge]

254153 Quite nice this home brewing , isnt it

Stephen

[bungbung]

If the Williamswarn carbonates by CO2, that will speed things along vs. homebrew bottle carbonation.

I brew all-grain homebrew from scratch, brew day to good drinking would be about 5 weeks: 1 week ferment, 1 week dry hop, three weeks in the bottle.

[mikeey01]

$5660.00 +GST :rofl: way to expensive for your average home brewer.
I'll stick to the way I brew :drinknsin

[pritch]

When the WW brewer was released there was an item about it on the TV3 News IIRC.
My first thoughts were, "Cool, how much?"
Then I found out the answer and lost interest.

I wish them well though, it appears to be clever and innovative. Here's hoping some big corporation doesn't rip them off.

[Brian d marge]

speaking of machines, I was looking at "easystill "$300us including postage.....
just add the wash
its basically a water distiller, not sure if its a reflux or a pot, but it seems to work....
this year I might actually MAKE money from my drinking ....yeeeehaaa
stephen

[bungbung]

Farra Engineering in Dunedin make a cool three tier system for home brewing:

http://www.farra.co.nz/productdetails.php?page=1&numproj=5

Of course it's around the $3k mark.

[Scouse]

Farra Engineering in Dunedin make a cool three tier system for home brewing:

http://www.farra.co.nz/productdetails.php?page=1&numproj=5

Of course it's around the $3k mark.Still its not quite an all in one Brewer like the williams warn

[Harry the Barstard]

Higher SG brews take longer to condition. Go to www.homebrewtalk.com and do some research before you start accusing me of talking shit. Start reading a bit about biology and how yeast actually work.

Commercial brews are nothing like homebrew beer.

I have a bread maker, so I know a little bit about how yeast works.

Nothing further

[Brian d marge]

I have a bread maker, so I know a little bit about how yeast works.

Nothing further

I have a dodgy girlfriend, I know quite a lot about yeast
Stephen

[oldrider]

I have a dodgy girlfriend, I know quite a lot about yeast
Stephen

Happy 2012 .... you seem to be going through a low patch! :lol:

[Brian d marge]

Happy 2012 .... you seem to be going through a low patch! :lol:

how did u know I am married......
stephen

[Usarka]

No, no, no! Anyone who tells you that you can get good quality homebrew beer in 7 days is full of shit. It takes a minimum of 6 weeks for the beer to even be drinkable from start to finish.

You'd be a lot better off just buying a fermenter, wash hydrometer, airlock, airlock grommet and stirring spoon. Buy some Coopers homebrew kits from Pak n Save, then dry hop with hop pellets or dried hops.

It's a scam. For a decent brew it will take at least 3 months from start to finish.

Hahahahahahahaaaaaaa! Ahhahahahahhaaaaaaa! Dude's 3rd brew with one of these and he wins a gold at the asia beer awards.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=10812518

[Brian d marge]

Hahahahahahahaaaaaaa! Ahhahahahahhaaaaaaa! Dude's 3rd brew with one of these and he wins a gold at the asia beer awards.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=10812518

the competition was , TUI , Steinlager and Lion Brown ,,,,,,

Stephen

[SMOKEU]

Hahahahahahahaaaaaaa! Ahhahahahahhaaaaaaa! Dude's 3rd brew with one of these and he wins a gold at the asia beer awards.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=10812518

I call bullshit.


the competition was , TUI , Steinlager and Lion Brown ,,,,,,

Stephen

Those are merely slightly alcoholic, sparkling pond water and are unworthy of being called "beer". FFS, Tui markets itself as being an ale when it's in fact a lager. It's unfortunate that most people these days are unaware of what makes a good beer, and keep falling for the marketing propaganda because they believe this crap is good beer. Same goes for Speights Gold Medal ale and all the other cheap, nasty crap that's forced upon us by the brew companies who feed on peoples ignorance.

Some of the small NZ craft breweries make very good beer, try them next time you're in a supermarket. They're not cheap, however. I do also quite like some of the Harrington's beer. BTW, decent beer generally does not come in a 12 pack.

[Oakie]

I can't help myself ... sorry, part of my job involves analysis:

From their FAQ
Price is $5660
Average store bought is $22 per doz 330ml
Cost of this product is $7.45 per doz 330ml

So If one was to buy one of these to save money on store bought (and I appreciate that many homebrewers brew for other reasons)
it's 389 dozen until you break even which is 6.39 years assuming you drink 2 x 330ml every day of the year.

Not making any point ... just saying.

As you were.

[Madness]

I can't help myself ... sorry, part of my job involves analysis:

From their FAQ
Price is $5660
Average store bought is $22 per doz 330ml
Cost of this product is $7.45 per doz 330ml

So If one was to buy one of these to save money on store bought (and I appreciate that many homebrewers brew for other reasons)
it's 389 dozen until you break even which is 6.39 years assuming you drink 2 x 330ml every day of the year.

Not making any point ... just saying.

As you were.

So she said no then?

[Madness]

I call bullshit.

I call Epic Fucking Fail.

[Oakie]

So she said no then?

Didn't bother to ask. I'd be lucky to drink half that much in the next 30 years so ... Mr Montieth's shop-bought brews will do me.

[Brian d marge]

I call bullshit.



Those are merely slightly alcoholic, sparkling pond water and are unworthy of being called "beer". FFS, Tui markets itself as being an ale when it's in fact a lager. It's unfortunate that most people these days are unaware of what makes a good beer, and keep falling for the marketing propaganda because they believe this crap is good beer. Same goes for Speights Gold Medal ale and all the other cheap, nasty crap that's forced upon us by the brew companies who feed on peoples ignorance.

Some of the small NZ craft breweries make very good beer, try them next time you're in a supermarket. They're not cheap, however. I do also quite like some of the Harrington's beer. BTW, decent beer generally does not come in a 12 pack.

No my beer is better and cheaper ....I loathe reaching into my pocket for that crap......

Stephen

[fuknK1W1]

Farra Engineering in Dunedin make a cool three tier system for home brewing:

http://www.farra.co.nz/productdetails.php?page=1&numproj=5

Of course it's around the $3k mark.

Very interesting indeed thanks for posting that, is that what you use?

I was planning on getting something like this set up...when I can afford it.

http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii16/Trickypiccies/fullmash.jpg

[bungbung]

Very interesting indeed thanks for posting that, is that what you use?

I wish, too steep for me.
I use a 55l chilly bin as a mash tun and a 50l stock pot for the boil.

[fuknK1W1]

The important thing is that you are doing full mash brewing, not just extract.

[SMOKEU]

The important thing is that you are doing full mash brewing, not just extract.

I've made some very good all extract beers before. The key is to dry hop them. I usually add an ounce, even 50g of aroma hops 7 days before bottling when fermenting a pale ale. Don't write off the extracts just yet, even though they are the easy way out.

[The Pastor]

I wish, too steep for me.
I use a 55l chilly bin as a mash tun and a 50l stock pot for the boil.

Where did u buy the 50L pot and how much?

[The Pastor]

Very interesting indeed thanks for posting that, is that what you use?

I was planning on getting something like this set up...when I can afford it.

http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii16/Trickypiccies/fullmash.jpg


What is it?

[The Pastor]

<img src='http://www.pyrocam.com/filez/go/head.jpg>

what causes this?

start hydro 1090
end hydro 1012

2 sugar drops per 750ml bottle carbonation.

[fuknK1W1]

What is it?

IT is a full mash pilot brewing plant as made for a brewery...The Nail Brewing Co. IT is a miniature version of a full on commercial brewery.
Yep I know the guy's off his face...he's the builder & I had that done to respect his anonimity.

[fuknK1W1]

I've made some very good all extract beers before.
Yep but that's all they are...a barista's instant coffee.


Don't write off the extracts just yet, even though they are the easy way out.
I don't write then off I'm drinking Munton's IPA as type this...just piss tastes OK but noty a work of craftsmanship...not my
craftsmanship...



I do also quite like some of the Harrington's beer.
Great beer...here I am posing as if I'm emptying their mash tun;

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v477/fuknKIWI/100_1419.jpg

[fuknK1W1]

I have a dodgy girlfriend, I know quite a lot about yeast
Stephen

:niceone: I remember reading about someone who was culturing up some of THAT yeast with the intention of using it for brewing...a cunt of a beer:facepalm:

I've got no idea how that ended up...I'm not sure if THAT yeast is a Sacchoromyces type of yeast...maybe someone with good interweb search skills can enlighten us.