Target fixation test

[Metastable]

I hope this isn't a repost, but very cool.

http://www.msf-usa.org/motion.html

BTW, this is why the technique on NOT focusing on anything is SO important, as described on Twist of the Wrist II book. That is... you don't focus on a specific point, just keep aware of your entire field of vision. It works awesome. Even with this test, if you don't focus on the green dot, then you can see all the dots all the time.

[slofox]

That's very good.

[ckai]

That is way way cool. Bling for you :)

Good practice before you go for a ride haha.

[schrodingers cat]

I'm confused now. Do I need to paint my bike green or yellow?

[slofox]

I'm confused now. Do I need to paint my bike green or yellow?

You have to have a flashing light, innit?

[onearmedbandit]

Definitely good reason there not to stare at indicators.

[skippa1]

It made me throw up:mellow:

[Stirts]

Someone is having a seizure after watching that, I would know, I have epilepathy.

[FJRider]

Target fixation is the actual reason ... "you go where you look".

So in those "white knuckle moments" ... don't look down.

[yungatart]

I actually do an eye test similar to this one at the optician's. It tests my peripheral vision as I am extreme high risk for Glaucoma.

[flyingcrocodile46]

I actually do an eye test similar to this one at the optician's. It tests my peripheral vision as I am extreme high risk for Glaucoma.

smoke weed. It reduces the risk of glaucoma

[yungatart]

Thanks, but no thanks...

[HenryDorsetCase]

that was very instructive. cheers

[slofox]

smoke weed. It reduces the risk of glaucoma

Huh. Didn't bloody work for me...:angry: (also glaucoma patient)

[Maha]

I have mono focal inplants, so I just sat back and watched all the dots...anyone see the purple dots?

[SMOKEU]

Huh. Didn't bloody work for me...:angry: (also glaucoma patient)

Are you sure you were smoking the right kind of weeds?

[Brian d marge]

Target fixation is the actual reason ... "you go where you look".

So in those "white knuckle moments" ... don't look down.

I close my eyes , it seems to work , intersections become a whole lot easier .....

Stephen

[cold comfort]

Interesting. Have seen it before but can't remember where. So apparently the eyesight has not completely gone but the memory has..

[NONONO]

COOOOOL, Sweet as.....nuther toke anyone?

[Geordie_Biker6]

wow. that was quite bizzare. but very alarming too.

[rastuscat]

Follow this link

http://www.msf-usa.org/motion.html

Donuts

[Bassmatt]

Follow this link

http://www.msf-usa.org/motion.html

Donuts

New road rule - you must blink at least three times (while watching for approaching vehicles) before proceeding at an intersection.
Problem solved!

[imac]

And therein lies the problem. Stare a one point and you miss what is happening in the wider area. SMIDSY is still a case of not looking carefully or completely

[george formby]

And therein lies the problem. Stare a one point and you miss what is happening in the wider area. SMIDSY is still a case of not looking carefully or completely

or consciously, the difference between a look & a glance.

[Armi]

The fuck is this wizardry?

[rastuscat]

The fuck is this wizardry?

I waved my magic donut and Hey Presto, there goes the yellow dots...........

[nodrog]

If you make it go faster the dots dont disappear, verdict - ride faster everywhere. choice!

[5150]

I waved my magic donut and Hey Presto, there goes the yellow dots...........

Now can you wave your magic donut and make my demirit points reapear? :shifty:

[Katman]

Now can you wave your magic donut and make my demirit points reapear? :shifty:

Speaking of which, does anyone know how to go about finding out the state of one's demerit points?

I must be tantalizingly close to being demerit free again.

[BoristheBiter]

Speaking of which, does anyone know how to go about finding out the state of one's demerit points?

I must be tantalizingly close to being demerit free again.

Ring the NZTA

[jasonu]

Follow this link

http://www.msf-usa.org/motion.html

Donuts

Don't look at it if you have been drinking, it made me chuck!

[rastuscat]

Ring the NZTA




.................on 0800 822 422 8093 and press option 2.

Happy to help.

Donut donations accepted.

Rastus

[rastuscat]

Speaking of which, does anyone know how to go about finding out the state of one's demerit points?

I must be tantalizingly close to being demerit free again.

.................on 0800 822 422 8093 and press option 2.

Happy to help.

Donut donations accepted.

Rastus

[BoristheBiter]

.................on 0800 822 422 8093 and press option 2.

Happy to help.

Donut donations accepted.

Rastus

Who says the boys, and girls, in blue aren't helpful.
Box of donuts for that man.

[SMOKEU]

I think there is something wrong with my eyes. Those yellow dots seemed to disappear when focusing on the centre dot. That shouldn't happen.

[baptist]

.................on 0800 822 422 8093 and press option 2.

Happy to help.

Donut donations accepted.

Rastus

Quick I smell corruption in the Cops.... as you were it's just the jam filling:innocent:

[FJRider]

Speaking of which, does anyone know how to go about finding out the state of one's demerit points?

I must be tantalizingly close to being demerit free again.

The Search button is top right ...

http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php/84181-How-many-demerit-points

[Zedder]

I had a "scan" of it, interesting, thanks Rtc.

[FJRider]

I think there is something wrong with my eyes. Those yellow dots seemed to disappear when focusing on the centre dot. That shouldn't happen.

In the old days ... it was called tunnel vision. Concentration on one part of the road/direction ... and things either side will "dissappear". Usually this most happens/noticed at speed. Especially by those inexperienced at speed ....

[p.dath]

Wow what a great demonstration.

[rastuscat]

I think there is something wrong with my eyes. Those yellow dots seemed to disappear when focusing on the centre dot. That shouldn't happen.

It's okay, you're human.

Now, apologize to the yellow dots. Say "Sorry Mate I Didn't See You"

See, that was the original point I was making. It's the same phenomenon as when some numpty pulls out in front of you when you're bearing down on them. It's a human frailty, and very few of us are exempt from it.

The only benefit to knowing is that the smart yellow dots will start to behave like we haven't seen them. They will stop riding like the world owes them courtesy, and they will be safer for doing so.

Maybe we can learn something from the yellow dots. Of course, the numpty yellow dots will just keep expecting everyone to see them, and will be the ones lying on the roadside while we say to them "Sorry Mate I Didn't See You".

:Punk:

[bogan]

It's okay, you're human.

Now, apologize to the yellow dots. Say "Sorry Mate I Didn't See You"

See, that was the original point I was making. It's the same phenomenon as when some numpty pulls out in front of you when you're bearing down on them. It's a human frailty, and very few of us are exempt from it.

The only benefit to knowing is that the yellow dots will start to behave like we haven't seen the. They will stop riding like the world owes them courtesy, and they will be safer for doing so.

Maybe we can learn something from the yellow dots.

:Punk:

Dissapearing yellow dots kind of make a case against high-vis I would say!


Troxler's fading or Troxler's effect is a phenomenon of visual perception. When one fixates a particular point, after about 20 seconds or so, a stimulus away from the fixation point, in peripheral vision, will fade away and disappear. The effect is enhanced if the stimulus is small, is of low contrast or equiluminant, or is blurred. The effect is enhanced the further the stimulus is away from the fixation point.

So interesting, but doubtful whether it is applicable to smidsy; for one, the stimulus should be directly in the drivers field of vision, and the driver should not be fixating on a single point for 20 seconds.
Still, I'm going to ride like a cautious yellow dot anyway; cos whether it is this effect or not, road users are fucking muppets!

[BoristheBiter]

It's okay, you're human.

Now, apologize to the yellow dots. Say "Sorry Mate I Didn't See You"

See, that was the original point I was making. It's the same phenomenon as when some numpty pulls out in front of you when you're bearing down on them. It's a human frailty, and very few of us are exempt from it.

The only benefit to knowing is that the smart yellow dots will start to behave like we haven't seen them. They will stop riding like the world owes them courtesy, and they will be safer for doing so.

Maybe we can learn something from the yellow dots. Of course, the numpty yellow dots will just keep expecting everyone to see them, and will be the ones lying on the roadside while we say to them "Sorry Mate I Didn't See You".

:Punk:

Unfortunately the bike I was following home today got SMIDFC (sorry mate I don't fucking care).
just pulled over into him.

[Nova.]

i done a bit of research and found this, its quite interesting have a read: http://gifura.orzhk.org/src/1332235315120.swf

[skinman]

I read somewhere that if the dots move they wont disappear therefore if you are to move in relation to the background you will be more likely to be seen. weaving as approaching a situation where you are unsure as to if you are visible should mean that the driver will see you and probably think what the F is he doing but thats ok cause a least he will be watching you. then pull out anyway:facepalm:

[FJRider]

See, that was the original point I was making. It's the same phenomenon as when some numpty pulls out in front of you when you're bearing down on them. It's a human frailty, and very few of us are exempt from it.

Staring continously ... at a green cross on a small screen with yellow dots does not ... can not' ... compare with vehicle waiting at an intersection/carpark/roadside and not being able to see a vehilcle approaching before it moves off. I would like you to explain how it can.


The only benefit to knowing is that the smart yellow dots will start to behave like we haven't seen them. They will stop riding like the world owes them courtesy, and they will be safer for doing so.

This is advice I CAN agree with. But if more got an automatic charge of the "Without due care" after claiming a SMIDSY ... <_<

The world may not "owe" us a courtesy ... but New Zealand Traffic Law states clear times when it ... and when the rules of the basic rights of movement on the roads, should apply.


Maybe we can learn something from the yellow dots. Of course, the numpty yellow dots will just keep expecting everyone to see them, and will be the ones lying on the roadside while we say to them "Sorry Mate I Didn't See You".


I don't expect much from drivers of other vehicles ... But when I am traveling down any road on my motorcycle, with my headlight on (as required by law), with bright reflective panels on my jacket (not required by law) ... I do expect a car pulling out of a supermarket taking the time to look for traffic coming, instead of looking to see what junior(s) in the back seat (sometimes strapped in) is doing. A SMIDSY is right up there with the "But I was in a hurry" explanation.

[rastuscat]

Staring continously ... at a green cross on a small screen with yellow dots does not ... can not' ... compare with vehicle waiting at an intersection/carpark/roadside and not being able to see a vehilcle approaching before it moves off. I would like you to explain how it can.

It demonstrates an inbuilt human tendency. It's a small example of a huge problem. Certainly, nothing compares to someone pulling out in front of an oncoming vehicle.

It's a fine line between thinking someone sees you and expecting them to see you. If you think they see you, you act in a certain way, but if you expoect them to have seen you, you behave differently.

Sure, I'm not asking anyone to do anything. Just pointing out that human error leads to certain things happening, and that while I can't change that human error, my riding can change the outcome sometimes.

Hi ho, donut munching I go.

[FJRider]

It demonstrates an inbuilt human tendency. It's a small example of a huge problem. Certainly, nothing compares to someone pulling out in front of an oncoming vehicle.

It's a fine line between thinking someone sees you and expecting them to see you. If you think they see you, you act in a certain way, but if you expoect them to have seen you, you behave differently.

Sure, I'm not asking anyone to do anything. Just pointing out that human error leads to certain things happening, and that while I can't change that human error, my riding can change the outcome sometimes.

Hi ho, donut munching I go.

It's the "Inbuilt human tendency" to lie your ass off .... if you think it has the slightest posibility, it might get you out of the shit, I am more worried about.
The words expecting and assuming ... have a similar meaning in my book. Both can usually lead to dissapointment and/or pain.
"Human error" is one thing that we all experience at some stage. I just prefer it, if any "Human errors" only involve ME. Human ignorance worries me more.

[Zedder]

It's the "Inbuilt human tendency" to lie your ass off .... if you think it has the slightest posibility, it might get you out of the shit, I am more worried about.
The words expecting and assuming ... have a similar meaning in my book. Bot can usually lead to dissapointment and/or pain.
"Human error" is one thing that we all experience at some stage. I just prefer it, if any "Human errors" only involve ME. Human ignorance worries me more.

The truck driving expert on "Road Madness" last night said the same as what Rtc is talking about. Assuming the person at the intersection for example, is going to do somethig wrong makes you prepared. Assuming they will do the right thing is not healthy. Sad but true.

[rastuscat]

The truck driving expert on "Road Madness" last night said the same as what Rtc is talking about. Assuming the person at the intersection for example, is going to do somethig wrong makes you prepared. Assuming they will do the right thing is not healthy. Sad but true.

Tearfully grateful that someone agrees with me. I wuv u, Zedder.

[Zedder]

Tearfully grateful that someone agrees with me. I wuv u, Zedder.

Donuts Rtc!

[Subike]

It's a fine line between thinking someone sees you and expecting them to see you. If you think they see you, you act in a certain way, but if you expoect them to have seen you, you behave differently.



Hi ho, donut munching I go.

Agree with this rastus,
I never assume that I know what the person driving in the lane next to me is going to do.
Or the car at the stop sign, giveway, or traffic light. .
Since getting my learners, I am now riding everyday, and I treat every intersection as a potential hazard,
Either placing myself in a position where I can see the vehicle at the intersection till I am past it,
Or if I think the vehicle in front of me is blocking a vehicles view of me, I reduce speed and finger the brake.
I also go to the center of the road if a vehicle is entering from the left, to give more room just in case.
Or to the left if coming from the right, this includes car park entrances, and vehicles appearing from driveways.
Yeah, this means I am constantly thinking of where the safest place on any given road is for ME
I dont think people are out to get me, but I have been developing this habit of reacting instinctively to other vehicles movements.
I Know that one day this practice, of placing my self in what i consider the safest zone on the road for me, will be a my savior.
Sadly it will never protect me from the "sorry mate I don't fucking care" driver, or the " Im gunna ram you off the fuckin road "" driver.
But at least when they arrive, my practiced reflex will be to head immediately for the place of lowest risk.
I am also aware it will not protect me from "sorry mate I didnt see you"

[Mental Trousers]

Posted another thread about this as it seems I didn't search for the right thing.

It's good though.

[FJRider]

It's a fine line between thinking someone sees you and expecting them to see you. If you think they see you, you act in a certain way, but if you expect them to have seen you, you behave differently.



There has been a few times when I know dam well they HAVE seen me ... but I'm on a bike and they are in a car ... and they are going wherever the dam well want to go. When and if ... push comes to shove ... cars shove bikes better than bikes shove cars.

[Bassmatt]

There has been a few times when I know dam well they HAVE seen me ... but I'm on a bike and they are in a car ... and they are going wherever the dam well want to go. When and if ... push comes to shove ... cars shove bikes better than bikes shove cars.

+1 to this. I've lost count the number of times a car or truck has pulled out in front of me with the driver seemingly looking straight into my eyes.

[FJRider]

+1 to this. I've lost count the number of times a car or truck has pulled out in front of me with the driver seemingly looking straight into my eyes.

One small clue they HAVE seen you ... is when they give you the finger as they go by.

But ... the "I never saw him" to the cop ... when the shit hits the fan ...