Two2Cool, high oil temp solution??

[2stroke]

Found this stuff, thought it might be of interest.

HOW IT WORKS: From the NZ importers site.
Engine oils primary function is Lubricating and cooling. Oil is the best lubricant, there is nothing better. This is why we use it. Many engine oils share common base stocks. Then the manufacturer adds additional additive packages to design an oil for specific use.

Oil has one problem. It hates heat. Engine oils repel from heat and pressure. Some at faster rates than others. Also as temps increase an oils viscosity rating decreases (thins). Every moving/friction causing part in your engine is causing heat. So, as temps increase the thinner the oil becomes and the faster the oil is repelled from parts which need it.

What Two2cool does is it reverses the direction of oil. It changes an oils attitude toward heat. It makes the oil find the heat, go to heat and stay where its needed the most. Oil treated with Two2cool becomes attracted to heat. As temps increase the more the oil is attracted to heat and at a faster rate. The biggest misconception is that Two2cool cools your oil. Engine oil treated with Two2Cool never lets the heat be generated in the first place. In other words it stops the heat, at the source and before it happens. Lowering engine temps better than any other product we know of and making “Power when you need it the most”

I do realize this sounds too simple but think of the following. As soon as you start your engine every moving part is generating heat. As rpm’s/loads increase so does the heat being made. As temps get higher so does the rate your oil tries to repel from the heat. In return lessening the lubrication/cooling in that area only making temps increase at a faster rate. Where does it end?

With the proper amount of Two2cool in your oil this never happens. Upon the first revolution your oil is seeking heat. As temps increase so does the rate your oil is trying to find the heat and stay where the heat is.

The majority of additive packages in engine oils are anti scuffing/extreme pressure agents. Also the additive package in many oils are temperature sensitive. With extreme temps the oil thins these additives are rapidly depleted. This is why with extreme oils temps we have to change the oil so often. It often comes out dark and much thinner.

How well Two2Cool does its job is directly related to the oil temps you are getting. In extreme oil temp situations we are seeing a drop of 50 to 60 degrees F.

We invite any questions and Two2Cool USA have an open offer to anyone who wants to see our product work in a real test.

More info and testing on www.two2cool.com
Yet more info on NZ importers site www.divisionx.co.nz/Shop/two2cool.htm

What do you guys think? Miracle oil or an actual solution.

[WRT]

Interesting that the pic on their home page is of a two-stroke . . .

Has anyone tried this? Assuming this stuff does work, theoretically it would slow down your engines warm up times? Would you need to be more careful when warming up in the mornings?

It would have been damn good in the TL during summer tho . . . nothing like sitting atop the rear cylinder to heat up the seat!

[Lou Girardin]

Sounds like bullshit to me.
Where does all this heat the oil is "attracted" to get dissipated if you don't have an oil cooler?

[Ixion]

What's wrong with Castrol R ?

[inlinefour]

Sounds like bullshit to me.
Where does all this heat the oil is "attracted" to get dissipated if you don't have an oil cooler?

Kind of like saying "we have an additive to repel gravity". My bikes run sweet as without this crap, makes me wonder if its just a last ditch attempt to keep a motor running before it eventually implodes. Or, more to the point this stuff will help a motor on its merry way to imploding. Oh, there is nothing wrong with Castrol, I have used for many a year and still do...

[vifferman]

If it's obsessively and efficiently heat-seeking, surely it will find its way into the cylinder, then out the zorst?

Sounds like "fuel conditioners", perpetual motion machines and the like.
If it was so good, it would already be added to the oil pack the major companies use.

Edit: I got it!
Water has better cooling properties than oil - it's just water and an emulsifier. And perhaps a little snake oil. :yes:

[Motu]

Bunk - the thinner an oil is the better it transfers heat,the oil is directed to areas that it's needed by oil galleries,these are all hot spots,then the oil carries away the heat to be transfered out....somehow.Oil is not gunna go somewhere it's not sent,this is all taken care of in engine design,not much you can do about that.True,oil will travel away from heat....but that's what you want surely? Castor is the only oil to stay where heat is,maybe they add castor? Good for the smell....but you can buy your own castor oil,even get a synthetic blend these days.

[Ixion]

Bunk - the thinner an oil is the better it transfers heat,the oil is directed to areas that it's needed by oil galleries,these are all hot spots,then the oil carries away the heat to be transfered out....somehow.Oil is not gunna go somewhere it's not sent,this is all taken care of in engine design,not much you can do about that.True,oil will travel away from heat....but that's what you want surely? Castor is the only oil to stay where heat is,maybe they add castor? Good for the smell....but you can buy your own castor oil,even get a synthetic blend these days.


Yeah, that's what I meant by Castrol R. It stays where the heat is. Varnishes teh inside of your engine nicely too.

[Brody@DivisionX]

Has anyone tried this? Assuming this stuff does work, theoretically it would slow down your engines warm up times? Would you need to be more careful when warming up in the mornings?

It would have been damn good in the TL during summer tho . . . nothing like sitting atop the rear cylinder to heat up the seat!

It does not affect warm up times. The hotter a motor gets the better it works. When your bike is cold Two2Cool is not doing much at all inside of your motor.

[Brody@DivisionX]

Sounds like bullshit to me.
Where does all this heat the oil is "attracted" to get dissipated if you don't have an oil cooler?

This is a common misconception about this product. Two2Cool does not cool your oil. It makes your oil more attracted to heat.

As a part of the motor gets hot oil repels away from it and it gets hotter and hotter. Its double jeapardy, where your oil is needed inside a hot motor is where it is less likely to be.

It works by not allowing heat to be generated in the first place.

[MSTRS]

Certainly sounds like crap to me. So that annoying diff whine is getting to you? No problem. Just add a banana skin or two. Voila! Whine gone. HA!
Engines are designed to run at (whatever temperature) which will vary from one to another. Oil/water/air/thermostat is used to keep the temperature within the designed tolerance. If you run too cool, engine performance goes down & wear factors go up. If you are running too hot, then something is wrong in your system (and it's not the lack of an additive that your oil never came with)

[Brody@DivisionX]

Kind of like saying "we have an additive to repel gravity". My bikes run sweet as without this crap, makes me wonder if its just a last ditch attempt to keep a motor running before it eventually implodes. Or, more to the point this stuff will help a motor on its merry way to imploding. Oh, there is nothing wrong with Castrol, I have used for many a year and still do...

Some bikes don't have a problem full stop.

Some owners of bikes don't take their bikes to the limit. So for normal day to day use they don't need additives. Others need them to keep their engine wear down when they are giving them hell and increase horsepower etc etc.

In your case if it ain't broke don't fix it.

[TwoSeven]

Generally not a good idea to apply car products to bikes. There are enough differences between the two to make things become *really* expensive.

Engine oil in bikes usually runs around 60C at the oil cooler. Yes, its the main part of the cooling system on the machine (more so than the water side), and yes, engine oil for bikes needs to run as thin as possible for the situation.

In the darkest depths of winter you put in a heavy oil to prevent it freezing and to cause friction (so you generate heat) to get the oil temp UP to 60C. In the summer you do the opposite - thin stuff to cool the engine and remove friction. Generally for a hot engine tho - thinner oil is better in order to get optimum circulation and minimal drag on the engine.

Ideally you want new oil in, old out - but thats not possible on a bike, so it goes thru a filter into a holding tank and is then re-circulated. When it becomes black (or thicker than your requirements) you replace it.

Modern bikes dont really require that much on the lubricating side of things. If you look carefully at each component you'll find that they are usually surface treated for hardness and (in the case of pistons etc) slipperyness already - you'll also find that most parts actually have very little loads applied to them. I figure these days there is probably nothing in the bike that a bit of grease wouldnt do the same job for. Hence oil use is really just for cooling/heating.

[MSTRS]

Who remembers Slick50?

[vifferman]

This is a common misconception about this product. Two2Cool does not cool your oil. It makes your oil more attracted to heat.

As a part of the motor gets hot oil repels away from it and it gets hotter and hotter. Its double jeapardy, where your oil is needed inside a hot motor is where it is less likely to be.

It works by not allowing heat to be generated in the first place.
W-o-w-w-w!!

To be said in a slow, drawn-out fashion, while rolling your eyes.

[Brody@DivisionX]

[QUOTE=vifferman]
If it was so good, it would already be added to the oil pack the major companies use.
QUOTE]

A customer we have had on it now changes the oil in his sons bike half as much because of it not reaching the punishing temperatures that dirty the oil that it used to. Oil companies certainly wouldn't want that!

Ever thought that someone really intelligent in their own workshop can come up with something revolutionary that the big companies can't?

[Brody@DivisionX]

Generally not a good idea to apply car products to bikes. There are enough differences between the two to make things become *really* expensive.

Engine oil in bikes usually runs around 60C at the oil cooler. Yes, its the main part of the cooling system on the machine (more so than the water side), and yes, engine oil for bikes needs to run as thin as possible for the situation.

In the darkest depths of winter you put in a heavy oil to prevent it freezing and to cause friction (so you generate heat) to get the oil temp UP to 60C. In the summer you do the opposite - thin stuff to cool the engine and remove friction. Generally for a hot engine tho - thinner oil is better in order to get optimum circulation and minimal drag on the engine.

Ideally you want new oil in, old out - but thats not possible on a bike, so it goes thru a filter into a holding tank and is then re-circulated. When it becomes black (or thicker than your requirements) you replace it.

Modern bikes dont really require that much on the lubricating side of things. If you look carefully at each component you'll find that they are usually surface treated for hardness and (in the case of pistons etc) slipperyness already - you'll also find that most parts actually have very little loads applied to them. I figure these days there is probably nothing in the bike that a bit of grease wouldnt do the same job for. Hence oil use is really just for cooling/heating.

Very good points.

I just want to add that this was designed and tested for bikes and later applied to cars etc.

[oldfart]

Oil additives have been around since - well engine oil. The premis that manufacturers of oil additives are putting forward, without actually stating it, is that the oil I'm using is not up to the job I've purchased it for. That being the case, I'd prefer to go buy better oil than rely on combining producer a's oil & manufacturer b's additive, which would have have unknown results,

[Ixion]

Some additives (MolySlip springs to mind) really do work.

The reason that they're not added as standard is that generally they are (a) only needed under fairly extreme conditions and (b) expensive.

Since most drivers/riders don't push their engines hard enough to encounter said extreme conditions, so it's not worth the extra cost. Oils , like everything else, are designed for typical conditions, not extremes.

But if you have an engine that (for whatever reason) is under unusual stress, additives MAY help (don't say all do, 'tis a "maybe")

As in all things there's additives and additives. Up to you, the well informed consumer, to separate the good stuff from the snake oil.

[MSTRS]

have a read of this then

[Brody@DivisionX]

Some additives (MolySlip springs to mind) really do work.

The reason that they're not added as standard is that generally they are (a) only needed under fairly extreme conditions and (b) expensive.

Since most drivers/riders don't push their engines hard enough to encounter said extreme conditions, so it's not worth the extra cost. Oils , like everything else, are designed for typical conditions, not extremes.

But if you have an engine that (for whatever reason) is under unusual stress, additives MAY help (don't say all do, 'tis a "maybe")

As in all things there's additives and additives. Up to you, the well informed consumer, to separate the good stuff from the snake oil.

Very well said

[Ixion]

have a read of this then

Fark!. What hit me was the zorst glowing red hot after 5 minutes! Obviously relies on movement for cooling air flow. Needs bigger radiator and fan me thinks.

In a modern 4 stroke, torture like this is unlikely to result in immediate failure (eg seizure) But it may cause extremely accelerated wear. 5000km later you may find the price.

[curious george]

Sounds like snake oil. Smells like sanke oil. Must be....?
Seriously...a heat seaking oil? Gimmie a break.
While not wanting to mistake progress for innovation, one remains slightly sceptical.

[Lou Girardin]

This is a common misconception about this product. Two2Cool does not cool your oil. It makes your oil more attracted to heat.

As a part of the motor gets hot oil repels away from it and it gets hotter and hotter. Its double jeapardy, where your oil is needed inside a hot motor is where it is less likely to be.

It works by not allowing heat to be generated in the first place.

An engine is a heat pump. No heat = no power. If you fill the combustion chambers with your product I'll also guarantee no heat.
Your explanations indicate a lack of knowledge of engine design.

[Lou Girardin]

Generally not a good idea to apply car products to bikes. There are enough differences between the two to make things become *really* expensive.

Engine oil in bikes usually runs around 60C at the oil cooler. Yes, its the main part of the cooling system on the machine (more so than the water side), and yes, engine oil for bikes needs to run as thin as possible for the situation.

In the darkest depths of winter you put in a heavy oil to prevent it freezing and to cause friction (so you generate heat) to get the oil temp UP to 60C. In the summer you do the opposite - thin stuff to cool the engine and remove friction. Generally for a hot engine tho - thinner oil is better in order to get optimum circulation and minimal drag on the engine.

Ideally you want new oil in, old out - but thats not possible on a bike, so it goes thru a filter into a holding tank and is then re-circulated. When it becomes black (or thicker than your requirements) you replace it.

Modern bikes dont really require that much on the lubricating side of things. If you look carefully at each component you'll find that they are usually surface treated for hardness and (in the case of pistons etc) slipperyness already - you'll also find that most parts actually have very little loads applied to them. I figure these days there is probably nothing in the bike that a bit of grease wouldnt do the same job for. Hence oil use is really just for cooling/heating.

It's really the other way around, thinner oil in winter to give faster circulation at start-up. Thicker in summer to lubricate better. That's why multi-grade oils were developed, to give both attributes in one oil.
Modern oil designs are the one of the main reasons that engines that spin to 5 figure revs can survive. I don't think grease would do it. But if you want to try, I'd be interested in your results.

[Motu]

So where are these areas that the oil is being repeld from? If it's an area of heat you will find the designer has directed oil to that area,to take heat away - crankshafts and other plain bearings are selfexplantatory,they have an oil feed,oil is directed under piston crowns,flows over cyl heads,around valves,all the time carrying away heat.The oil takes heat AWAY....so what does this stuff do to help the oil?

[inlinefour]

Some bikes don't have a problem full stop.

Some owners of bikes don't take their bikes to the limit. So for normal day to day use they don't need additives. Others need them to keep their engine wear down when they are giving them hell and increase horsepower etc etc.

In your case if it ain't broke don't fix it.

If you ride a crummy 50 then I guess you'll want to get the extra out of it. However anything that improved the output of an engine will also generally decrease the life expectancy of an engine also. I know when I'm riding my bike too hard, the restricter(s) cut in. Or in the case of the 2 stroke, a piston breaks :devil2: but I don't think your going to fool anyone peddling this stuff. If the bikes needed it then they would be sold with it new...

[inlinefour]

Oil additives have been around since - well engine oil. The premis that manufacturers of oil additives are putting forward, without actually stating it, is that the oil I'm using is not up to the job I've purchased it for. That being the case, I'd prefer to go buy better oil than rely on combining producer a's oil & manufacturer b's additive, which would have have unknown results,

Who spends thousands just to put shit in the gearbox? Not me or oldfart for that matter. How about we just agree to disagree with the peddler of this shyte? :whocares:

[inlinefour]

Fark!. What hit me was the zorst glowing red hot after 5 minutes! Obviously relies on movement for cooling air flow. Needs bigger radiator and fan me thinks.

In a modern 4 stroke, torture like this is unlikely to result in immediate failure (eg seizure) But it may cause extremely accelerated wear. 5000km later you may find the price.

Which farkin dumb arse lets their bike rev out while not moving? If this is the best reason for using an additive, then I suggest an alternative. Stop allowing dumbarses riding bikes. I have two bike that are water cooled and neither has a fan, so although I might not be a rocket scientist. I know the importance of air flowing through the radiator :weird:

[Brody@DivisionX]

From the manufacturer:

Our main ingredient has a negative charge on the last molecule. This makes it have a high afinity to heat. What it does is attach itself to the oil molecules. Then as temps goes up it drags their oil molecules towards the heat where it belongs.

Its really simple. Tell them it doesnt change their oil. It just makes it attracted to heat.

It doesnt lower oil temps. It keeps them from being made due to keeping it where it belongs.

Most people who have posted have some valid points all of which indicate they are happy with what they have. As I said before, if it ain't broke don't fix it.

As far as the manufacturers not including the stuff from new. There is a lot of things that bikes don't NEED. That is why there is an industry of aftermarket products, diffeent people different needs.

Or what about the '04 RMZ250, it needed bigger radiators. In '05 it got them. But what about all the people who still have '04s? Spend $800 on radiators or $40 on a product that has been shown to do more?

Whether or not you think the product works or not is your own choice. I was skeptical at first but have tested it myself in many bikes with the results promised. If it hadn't lived up to that I wouldn't have started distributing it, simple as that. If you don't think outside the box your living in a square.

As far as all the 'modern bikes don't have problems' goes. Try telling that to the hundreds of people who ride 250 four stroke motocrossers who have had them blow up due to overheating. Suddenly a $40 bottle of oil doesn't seem so significant is helping prevent a 3 thousand dollar motor injury.

There is probably more heat related problems in motocross than on road. I was only responding to comments made about a product we are the agent for. You either beleive in it as many satisfied users have, don't need it or don't care / agree with the concept. Either way I am not going to stand in front of what you beleive is or isn't happening inside your motor when temperatures exceed normal.

[inlinefour]

From the manufacturer:

Our main ingredient has a negative charge on the last molecule. This makes it have a high afinity to heat. What it does is attach itself to the oil molecules. Then as temps goes up it drags their oil molecules towards the heat where it belongs.

Its really simple. Tell them it doesnt change their oil. It just makes it attracted to heat.

It doesnt lower oil temps. It keeps them from being made due to keeping it where it belongs.

Most people who have posted have some valid points all of which indicate they are happy with what they have. As I said before, if it ain't broke don't fix it.

As far as the manufacturers not including the stuff from new. There is a lot of things that bikes don't NEED. That is why there is an industry of aftermarket products, diffeent people different needs.

Or what about the '04 RMZ250, it needed bigger radiators. In '05 it got them. But what about all the people who still have '04s? Spend $800 on radiators or $40 on a product that has been shown to do more?

Whether or not you think the product works or not is your own choice. I was skeptical at first but have tested it myself in many bikes with the results promised. If it hadn't lived up to that I wouldn't have started distributing it, simple as that. If you don't think outside the box your living in a square.

As far as all the 'modern bikes don't have problems' goes. Try telling that to the hundreds of people who ride 250 four stroke motocrossers who have had them blow up due to overheating. Suddenly a $40 bottle of oil doesn't seem so significant is helping prevent a 3 thousand dollar motor injury.

There is probably more heat related problems in motocross than on road. I was only responding to comments made about a product we are the agent for. You either beleive in it as many satisfied users have, don't need it or don't care / agree with the concept. Either way I am not going to stand in front of what you beleive is or isn't happening inside your motor when temperatures exceed normal.

Allways found that the MX bikes ran very well with anti freeze/boil in them...

Oh and a good dose of Castrol...

[Lou Girardin]

So where are these areas that the oil is being repeld from? If it's an area of heat you will find the designer has directed oil to that area,to take heat away - crankshafts and other plain bearings are selfexplantatory,they have an oil feed,oil is directed under piston crowns,flows over cyl heads,around valves,all the time carrying away heat.The oil takes heat AWAY....so what does this stuff do to help the oil?

You got it wrong Motu. This stuff stops the heat being generated in the first place. :rofl:

[vifferman]

From the manufacturer:

Our main ingredient has a negative charge on the last molecule. This makes it have a high afinity to heat. What it does is attach itself to the oil molecules. Then as temps goes up it drags their oil molecules towards the heat where it belongs.
Beautiful pseudo-science that.
So, heat must be positively-charged then?

Its really simple. Tell them it doesnt change their oil. It just makes it attracted to heat.
I hope it has a warning on the bottle to that effect. Just imagine it:
Joe Dumm-Arrz buys this miracle heat-seeking product, and goes to pour it into his bike, which has been subject to overheating, because his regular bike oil has the wrong attitude, wrong charge, and is scared of heat. As he takes the cap off, all of a sudden, the MiracleTwo2Kewl4U leaps out of the bottle, and splashes itself all over the hot header pipes, the hot, sticky race slicks, and Joe's hot brolly babe. :rofl:

[Motu]

This stuff has been talked about in Thumper Talk a lot,the so called maker of the stuff is a member.

two 2 cool (http://www.thumpertalk.com/forum/showthread.php?t=256786&page=1&pp=10&highlight=2cool)

even more 2 cool (http://www.thumpertalk.com/forum/showthread.php?t=238321&highlight=2cool)

Here's what the oil guru's have to say about it.

Bobistheoilguy (http://theoildrop.server101.com/cgi/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=5;t=002959;p=0&r=actu)

Maybe it's valid for a dirt bike with low oil capacity,low airflow and extreme use,but Babalfish would have trouble decyphering the mysterious hype....if I can't even understand their laymans explanation it's somewhere I don't want to go.

[inlinefour]

This stuff has been talked about in Thumper Talk a lot,the so called maker of the stuff is a member.

two 2 cool (http://www.thumpertalk.com/forum/showthread.php?t=256786&page=1&pp=10&highlight=2cool)

even more 2 cool (http://www.thumpertalk.com/forum/showthread.php?t=238321&highlight=2cool)

Here's what the oil guru's have to say about it.

Bobistheoilguy (http://theoildrop.server101.com/cgi/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=5;t=002959;p=0&r=actu)

Maybe it's valid for a dirt bike with low oil capacity,low airflow and extreme use,but Babalfish would have trouble decyphering the mysterious hype....if I can't even understand their laymans explanation it's somewhere I don't want to go.

If the laymens explanation is not understandable then its just a load of cobblers. I've sean these "wonders" come and go. Can't say I have met anyone who has bothered using them either. Would of thought I might have after all the hype. Oh well that must be all it is...

[vifferman]

The VFR OilGuy said this:

"So, I'm just wondering, have any VFR list members heard about Two2Cool? Better yet, have any of you tried it? (For the record, my stance is this -- motor oils are carefully formulated for best performance and rarely does any oil additive help.)"
It'll be interesting to see what develops there. There's also a guy on one of the VFR forums that does oil analysis for a living, so I'm sure summat interesting will come from him too.

[Ixion]

From the manufacturer:

Our main ingredient has a negative charge on the last molecule. This makes it have a high afinity to heat. What it does is attach itself to the oil molecules. Then as temps goes up it drags their oil molecules towards the heat where it belongs.

Its really simple. Tell them it doesnt change their oil. It just makes it attracted to heat.

It doesnt lower oil temps. It keeps them from being made due to keeping it where it belongs.

...

That does not seem to be sound chemistry. In very simplified terms, oil breaks down from excess heat because the heat causes the oil to degrade. The long chemical chains break down to shorter ones, which have less lubrication qualities. Shorter ones combine into longer ones, but longer ones which lack lubricating properties (eg varnish, gum etc)

No molecules "seek" heat or "evade" heat. Molecular structures are affected in different ways , to a greater or lesser extent, by heat.

It is possible for an additive to protect the oil molecules from some of the effects of heat degradation (and of course modern oils contain many such additives as standard)

I could believe an after market additive that offered heat protection, which was not included by the oil manufacturers because they doubted the cost benefit balance for the typical user. But was worthwhile for extreme users.

But this pseudo-chemical explanation makes no sense.

[MSTRS]

Our main ingredient has a negative charge on the last molecule. This makes it have a high afinity to heat. What it does is attach itself to the oil molecules. Then as temps goes up it drags their oil molecules towards the heat where it belongs.




Negative charge! Ha! Anyway, the oil circulation system puts the oil where it belongs with the express purpose being that the oil will then fuck off somewhere else, taking the heat with it.




Its really simple. Tell them it doesnt change their oil. It just makes it attracted to heat.




If it's added to oil, then it must change the oil.





It doesnt lower oil temps. It keeps them from being made due to keeping it where it belongs.


Only way to 'keep them from being made' is to NOT START THE ENGINE IN THE FIRST PLACE.

[Brody@DivisionX]

This stuff has been talked about in Thumper Talk a lot,the so called maker of the stuff is a member.

two 2 cool (http://www.thumpertalk.com/forum/showthread.php?t=256786&page=1&pp=10&highlight=2cool)

even more 2 cool (http://www.thumpertalk.com/forum/showthread.php?t=238321&highlight=2cool)

Here's what the oil guru's have to say about it.

Bobistheoilguy (http://theoildrop.server101.com/cgi/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=5;t=002959;p=0&r=actu)

Maybe it's valid for a dirt bike with low oil capacity,low airflow and extreme use,but Babalfish would have trouble decyphering the mysterious hype....if I can't even understand their laymans explanation it's somewhere I don't want to go.

Thanks for posting up those links. I can understand it is hard it is to comprehend how it works, I am learning more each day. The thousands of people using it prove its worth. Just search on google or most of the online forums like thumpertalk and ktmtalk for yourselves, and you'll see exactly the same skeptiscism, exactly the same comments, exactly the same minor level of abuse towards the people who support the product. We only distribute it, we didn't make it. Look round other forums where the actual producer posts and you will find people like you people like me, people more clued up than all of us and their answers to all your questions.

Hopefully the thumpertalk and ktmtalk forums satisfy all your queries. For those of you with the old school barrier towards change up give them a look anyway. If the product is so hillarious these threads will give you hours and hours of laughter. I love comedy, and if there was a site that was gonna make me laugh that much I'd be on it now.

Back to work. Thanks for your time.

[TwoSeven]

Beautiful pseudo-science that.
So, heat must be positively-charged then?


Positively charged heat. I was pissin meself. I suspect the tv ad. has a woman in a white suit wearing glasses to make it look authentic too.

[TwoSeven]

Thanks for posting up those links. I can understand it is hard it is to comprehend how it works, I am learning more each day.

Dude - stop trying to scam people.

[tl_tub]

...The thousands of people using it prove its worth. ...

Yep! Just like the thousands of people that use magnetic pillows/underlays!? :weird:

[Silage]

Yep! Just like the thousands of people that use magnetic pillows/underlays!? :weird:

You can get that sorta stuff to put in your fuel tank too.

Hey 2Stroke and Brody@DivisionX I\it seems you are new around here so stick around and tell us about your biking escapades. However this thread looks more like a sales pitch and would be better in the "Product review" section (although possibly it could belong here in the "rave" section :Punk: )

[Pixie]

Yeah, that's what I meant by Castrol R. It stays where the heat is. Varnishes teh inside of your engine nicely too.
smells nice... mmmmm........castor oil

[Pixie]

You got it wrong Motu. This stuff stops the heat being generated in the first place. :rofl:
I have an additive that does just that.Add it to your engine oil and wait 24hrs,works best in a high humidity environment.
available in 40 kg packs for $15
made by Holcim

[Pixie]

Thanks for posting up those links. I can understand it is hard it is to comprehend how it works, I am learning more each day. The thousands of people using it prove its worth. Just search on google or most of the online forums like thumpertalk and ktmtalk for yourselves, and you'll see exactly the same skeptiscism, exactly the same comments, exactly the same minor level of abuse towards the people who support the product. We only distribute it, we didn't make it. Look round other forums where the actual producer posts and you will find people like you people like me, people more clued up than all of us and their answers to all your questions.

Hopefully the thumpertalk and ktmtalk forums satisfy all your queries. For those of you with the old school barrier towards change up give them a look anyway. If the product is so hillarious these threads will give you hours and hours of laughter. I love comedy, and if there was a site that was gonna make me laugh that much I'd be on it now.

Back to work. Thanks for your time.
It's not so much that the product is hilarious,it's the pseudoscience that attempts to market it.I suggest you find some less knowledgable victims. :wait:
PS I love the "Thousands of believers and be open to change/have faith"
twist in the arguement,it almost sounds like religion

[inlinefour]

It's not so much that the product is hilarious,it's the pseudoscience that attempts to market it.I suggest you find some less knowledgable victims. :wait:
PS I love the "Thousands of believers and be open to change/have faith"
twist in the arguement,it almost sounds like religion

I'd think that youd have to have a fair bit of faith to be stupid enough to put this shyte into your bike. Not me for one, my bike is great just the way it is... :weird:

[Lou Girardin]

Why is healthy scepticism always a "fear of change"?
Personally I think it's fear of being scammed.
If this shit works, it should be subjected to independant, scientific testing. Like the fuel Savers were. Remember them?

[inlinefour]

Why is healthy scepticism always a "fear of change"?
Personally I think it's fear of being scammed.
If this shit works, it should be subjected to independant, scientific testing. Like the fuel Savers were. Remember them?

I dont pay for good quality oils just to have to put this crap into it. I have NEVER heard anything or anyone using this product, nor any factual common sense reason to use it either. Some people might like to be woo'd by bullshit, but some of us ain't that stupid either. Fuel savers? Ain't that not pulling the throttle back too far? :devil2:

[Motu]

I dont pay for good quality oils just to have to put this crap into it. I have NEVER heard anything or anyone using this product, nor any factual common sense reason to use it either. Some people might like to be woo'd by bullshit, but some of us ain't that stupid either. Fuel savers? Ain't that not pulling the throttle back too far? :devil2:

Check out the links I put up,this stuff is new here so of course you've never heard of anyone using it.The guy how makes the stuff is a Thumper Talk member.I'm not going to use this stuff ever,I use quality oil and change it often - but read a bit more about it....

[Brody@DivisionX]

Check out the links I put up,this stuff is new here so of course you've never heard of anyone using it.The guy how makes the stuff is a Thumper Talk member.I'm not going to use this stuff ever,I use quality oil and change it often - but read a bit more about it....

Thats all I ask. Once again, thanks Motu.

I have always wondered what it's like to be close minded. I've always thought it must be like banging your head against the same wall everyday. I guess thats just the way some people are. I try my hardest not to turn away from possible innovations, I agree, some are crap, some are scams, but in my experience with this product I have seen nothing the otherwise. In my own trials, the american trials and the hundreds of independant tests.

If you think it's a scam, think it's a scam. But, people laughed at the thought that the world was round, until they studied and thought about it for themselves. Maybe the world still is flat, I'll have to look into that one.

Cheers Jimmy, I'll try stick round, but I have a habit of forgetting to check forums then getting so behind that it's not worth trying to catch up. But, after all we are all drawn here by the love of riding and thats what I'm off to do now. If this thread gets moved, deleted or otherwise so be it. I'm not here to piss anyone off on a site that seems like it produces a bit of thought provoking biker chat.

I'll probably be better sticking in the dirt section. I don't know much about road at all, other than I would like to get a 450 and try some.... Motard style :yes:

[inlinefour]

Thats all I ask. Once again, thanks Motu.

I have always wondered what it's like to be close minded. I've always thought it must be like banging your head against the same wall everyday. I guess thats just the way some people are. I try my hardest not to turn away from possible innovations, I agree, some are crap, some are scams, but in my experience with this product I have seen nothing the otherwise. In my own trials, the american trials and the hundreds of independant tests.

If you think it's a scam, think it's a scam. But, people laughed at the thought that the world was round, until they studied and thought about it for themselves. Maybe the world still is flat, I'll have to look into that one.

Cheers Jimmy, I'll try stick round, but I have a habit of forgetting to check forums then getting so behind that it's not worth trying to catch up. But, after all we are all drawn here by the love of riding and thats what I'm off to do now. If this thread gets moved, deleted or otherwise so be it. I'm not here to piss anyone off on a site that seems like it produces a bit of thought provoking biker chat.

I'll probably be better sticking in the dirt section. I don't know much about road at all, other than I would like to get a 450 and try some.... Motard style :yes:

Never come accross a bike that would need this nor has anyone that I know. :weird:

[Brody@DivisionX]

Never come accross a bike that would need this nor has anyone that I know. :weird:

Then it is of no interest to you. I get the point.

[Motu]

I've never come across a bike that would need it either,if you have an oil overheating issue then there is some other problem - with my Honda it was a voltage reg making the alt pump out max output,and getting the oil to 120c.The bikes with the most extreme use of oil are the modern 4 stroke dirt bikes,riders change their oil after every ride,using only the best oils available.There are even wet sump kits out there that take the oil tank out to save a bit of weight,and more than halve the oil capacity at the same time - then they race them!! that use will kill oil.If by some fluke this stuff does work,it'll be in a modern 4 stroke dirt bike - which is where he is aiming for.

I'm a sceptic through and through,I will heap scathing attacks upon anything I feel like - but I see both sides.....a debate is just that,the internet at it's best.

[TwoSeven]

Thats all I ask. Once again, thanks Motu.

I have always wondered what it's like to be close minded. I've always thought it must be like banging your head against the same wall everyday. I guess thats just the way some people are. I try my hardest not to turn away from possible innovations, I agree, some are crap, some are scams, but in my experience with this product I have seen nothing the otherwise. In my own trials, the american trials and the hundreds of independant tests.


Sorry, but your wording is to 'clean' - your presenting information from someone else. You write the same way an evangilist would, which is why everyone thinks your scamming - heck, you even use advertising phases presented in most scams.

Your hundreds of independant tests is a classic. I read all of the mainline motorcycle journals and some scientific ones and I've never seen your product in any of them. So perhaps they are 'supermarket tests'.

In short - you dude are scamming.

[inlinefour]

Sorry, but your wording is to 'clean' - your presenting information from someone else. You write the same way an evangilist would, which is why everyone thinks your scamming - heck, you even use advertising phases presented in most scams.

Your hundreds of independant tests is a classic. I read all of the mainline motorcycle journals and some scientific ones and I've never seen your product in any of them. So perhaps they are 'supermarket tests'.

In short - you dude are scamming.

But the scientific bullshit explanations about the product perhaps suggest it :devil2:

[vifferman]

There's something seriously wrong with this thread. I think it's in serious danger of becoming another "Scottish thread", as it's becoming a bit heated, and there's been absolutely no mention of important things, like beer and sex. :spudwhat:

I think I need to buy some more beer - I'm down to the last coupla bottles of Mac's Gold.

I think I need to have some more sex - haven't had any since I was on vacation.

There - SORTED. :yes:

As you were...

[Lou Girardin]

OK then, I think I'll FUCK off and have a BEER!

[inlinefour]

OK then, I think I'll FUCK off and have a BEER!

And if I can get a few beers into the misses, then I might be getting sex also :devil2: :drinkup: :devil2:

[XTC]

I don't think he's scamming..... He may really believe this bullshit.... Just like people believe there is a god... and that you'll get rich in a pyramid scheme or selling amway or paying lots of money to Action International for a buisness coach....

[inlinefour]

Got a bit of a headache today though. The beers kinda started off slow for her and fast for me. Wine change for her, beers still going for me. Ran outta beers, change to burbon. Did I get sex? Can't really matter, so even if she says yes, I'll have to say no cause I can't remember it... :devil2:

[MSTRS]

Just occured to me that the 'heat seeking properties' of this stuff may have been borrowed from the military (SAMs etc)

[Zapf]

well.. if the oil gets attracted to heat... then it will go to the hottest place, and stay at the hottest place... then heat builds up.... hot oil not going to sump to cool down.... oil gets burnt..... more oil replaces it.... more get burnt...

= lots of burnt oil and no more oil in engine = lots of mulla for new engine