License renewal after 5 months

[2Seat_Terror]

Can anyone enlighten me as to why the gubbermint considers it necessary for me to get a new driver's license (paying, of course, the requisite fee) just 5 months after obtaining a new one when I obtained my 6F?

The Land Transport (Driver Licensing) Rule 1999, Part 10, Section 60, Clause 3 states that "The period of validity of a driver licence is not affected by the holder obtaining a driver licence or endorsement of any other class or type".

I don't like spending what little $$ I have on something seemingly so redundant. Yes, this is a whine, but...

Can anyone tell me WHY this is necessary, and WHY a new license 5 months ago isn't any good now?

I was on the leading-edge of the new licenses, so I'm one of the first to 'enjoy' the renewal process. The rest of you will surely follow!


I also noted in the legislation that fees are laid out for periods of less than 10 years. So I'm going to ask to be renewed for 3, just because I can, and to (hopefully) enjoy the confusion bestowed upon the hapless representative behind the desk. :)

[Virago]

So are you just turning 25, or 35, or 45 etc...?

[FJRider]

Can anyone enlighten me as to why the gubbermint considers it necessary for me to get a new driver's license (paying, of course, the requisite fee) just 5 months after obtaining a new one when I obtained my 6F?

The Land Transport (Driver Licensing) Rule 1999, Part 10, Section 60, Clause 3 states that "The period of validity of a driver licence is not affected by the holder obtaining a driver licence or endorsement of any other class or type".

I don't like spending what little $$ I have on something seemingly so redundant. Yes, this is a whine, but...

Can anyone tell me WHY this is necessary, and WHY a new license 5 months ago isn't any good now?

I was on the leading-edge of the new licenses, so I'm one of the first to 'enjoy' the renewal process. The rest of you will surely follow!


I also noted in the legislation that fees are laid out for periods of less than 10 years. So I'm going to ask to be renewed for 3, just because I can, and to (hopefully) enjoy the confusion bestowed upon the hapless representative behind the desk. :)

The 6F endorsement was only "added" to your licence. NOT the licence renewed. ... if you checked your licence prior to and after this ... you would have seen this fact.

[Gremlin]

wot FJRider said. You have only one licence, and you paid for a class to be added to it. Expiry of the licence itself never changed from the intial issue.

[sleemanj]

This sort of thing has been a bone of contention for a long time, which will be fixed on the 1st of October 2012

http://www.nzta.govt.nz/resources/rules/driver-licensing-amendment-2011-qa.html



10. Extension of expiry of existing licence when adding new licence classes

What is the problem with expiry dates when adding a new licence class?

Currently, the Driver Licensing Rule specifies that if a person obtains a new licence class or endorsement, the new licence card is issued with the same expiry date as the original card. For example, if the original licence card was due to expire in four years' time, a person can only be issued with a four-year licence when they gain a new licence class or endorsement.

If a person wanted a 10-year licence, they would have to forgo the remaining time on the licence and also pay for a renewal. This is because the process to add a new class/endorsement is separate and different to the process to renew the existing classes.

How do the changes address licence expiry dates?

The amendment will allow that existing licence class(es) to be renewed when a new licence class/endorsement is obtained. It will allow a person with an existing licence, and who obtains an additional class or endorsement, to have that licence renewed, provided that all requirements relating to the renewal of the existing licence class(es) are also met at the same time.

When will this change be made and when will it apply?

This provision will come into force on 1 October 2012. This will allow the required changes to be made to the IT system to support the change.

Will there be situations where the automatic renewal of existing classes won't happen?

There will be some cases where the requirements of the new licence class are less than existing classes, and in these situations the existing classes will not be renewed automatically.

For example, when a person holds heavy vehicle licence classes (Classes 2-5), and obtains a motorcycle licence. Renewing a heavy vehicle licence requires the applicant to provide a medical certificate, while gaining a motorcycle licence does not. Therefore, in this case, the existing licence classes would not be automatically renewed.

Also, the amendment will not allow an existing licence to be renewed for 10 years, where a person obtains a special-type vehicle ('F', 'R', 'T', 'W') endorsement, a dangerous goods ('D') endorsement, a driving instructor ('I') endorsement, or a testing officer ('O') endorsement. This is because the minimum requirements of these endorsement applications would not have met a mandatory requirement for renewing a licence, namely that a new photograph must be taken. (A photograph is not required when obtaining any of these endorsements).

To allow all F, R, T, W, D, I, and O applicants to automatically be issued a 10-year licence would require that these applicants be photographed at the time of application. As this would impose greater costs on the NZTA, with implications on fee increases, and yet not benefit all applicants (namely those with classes 2-5 who require a medical certificate), this option was not considered appropriate.

[rastuscat]

Not really interested in the solution.

It's great to have something new to complain about.

This is KB, after all.

[2Seat_Terror]

wot FJRider said. You have only one licence, and you paid for a class to be added to it. Expiry of the licence itself never changed from the intial issue.

This is true, and I have observed the date approaching. It seems all the renewal will do is update the photo and eye test... which I just did.
Thus the upcoming change in legislation, perhaps.

[2Seat_Terror]

Not really interested in the solution.

It's great to have something new to complain about.

This is KB, after all.

That's why we're all here, right? :niceone:

[Gremlin]

It's great to have something new to complain about.
But it's NOT a new problem :facepalm: The solution however, is new (and sounds good actually)... so we won't have anything to complain about.

Then we can all talk about new bikes, good roads and the great riding.

Then I might see a pig fly by :lol:

[rastuscat]

But it's NOT a new problem :facepalm: The solution however, is new (and sounds good actually)... so we won't have anything to complain about.

Then I might see a pig fly by :lol:

Okay, so start a thread about how cool it is that the gubbermint did something good.

Now, THAT would make for an interesting discussion. However, nobody would bother posting, as it's far easier just to bitch, bitch and bitch.

BTW, I haven't flown for a while.

[pete376403]

This sort of thing has been a bone of contention for a long time, which will be fixed on the 1st of October 2012

http://www.nzta.govt.nz/resources/rules/driver-licensing-amendment-2011-qa.html



"This provision will come into force on 1 October 2012. This will allow the required changes to be made to the IT system to support the change."

It takes TEN months to get an IT systems change put in place? Good thing they have computers to speed things up.

[sleemanj]

It takes TEN months to get an IT systems change put in place?

Longer than that, this was announced last August from memory :)

In fairness, there would be a bit of work in making that change I expect, makes the whole system a fair bit more complicated than just "renew at X years".

[davebullet]

Longer than that, this was announced last August from memory :)

In fairness, there would be a bit of work in making that change I expect, makes the whole system a fair bit more complicated than just "renew at X years".

Nearly all large computer software systems are very poorly designed. The cruft level grows exponentially, making what should be simple to moderate changes very complex and expensive.

I've been in IT 20+ years and yet to see an elegant system :facepalm: Most new projects (like the one I am on now) think "change cases" are a waste of time to analyse :facepalm: :facepalm:

[rastuscat]

Nearly all large computer software systems are very poorly designed. The cruft level grows exponentially, making what should be simple to moderate changes very complex and expensive.

I've been in IT 20+ years and yet to see an elegant system :facepalm: Most new projects (like the one I am on now) think "change cases" are a waste of time to analyse :facepalm: :facepalm:

Funny ol'd thing. Changing an IT system is fairly easy, but has been slowed down by all the human problems it involves. They could change it overnight, but for the problems it would cause and the likely legal action arising from short notice changes.

Ho hum, back to my noodles.

[riffer]

It takes TEN months to get an IT systems change put in place? Good thing they have computers to speed things up.

Having just receivd my renewal notice in the mail today (I'll be 45 on Feb 2) and observing that the only place for me to get it done in Upper Hutt is via AA, I'm far from surprised.

Nothing surprises me when it involves those cunts.

[Gremlin]

Well, it's also clearly not a blanket change, where previously, there was a standard policy, so re-writing that, and testing to make sure there aren't unintended consequences... can't imagine that being easy...

[JimO]

im still using my "lifetime" licence

[Max Preload]

Can anyone enlighten me as to why the gubbermint considers it necessary for me to get a new driver's license (paying, of course, the requisite fee) just 5 months after obtaining a new one when I obtained my 6F?

The Land Transport (Driver Licensing) Rule 1999, Part 10, Section 60, Clause 3 states that "The period of validity of a driver licence is not affected by the holder obtaining a driver licence or endorsement of any other class or type".

You've inadvertently answered your own question. It's because the fuckwits that draft the rules can't possibly conceive of situations where applying them would be utterly ridiculous and inconvenient to the general populace.


This sort of thing has been a bone of contention for a long time, which will be fixed on the 1st of October 2012

http://www.nzta.govt.nz/resources/rules/driver-licensing-amendment-2011-qa.html
That's good. I've been holding off renewing my driver's licence that expired in November 2008 knowing I'd have to do it before November 2013 to ensure I did'nt have the extra rigmarole knowing it'd be backdated - but that won't be the case after October 2012. I must say I do quite enjoy providing my expired drivers licence as 'photo ID' at the bank and having them try to explain to me how when my drivers licence expired I somehow ceased to have that identity. I've yet to lose that particular argument - they always relent with a 'just this time' warning. They've even tried the "it's bank policy to only accept current ID" line to which I state "It's my policy not to have 'current' photo ID".

Fucking mindless teller drones.

[rastuscat]

Fucking mindless Max Preload drones. And drones.

Fixed it for ya. :rolleyes: