Another revenue grab

[Guided_monkey]

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/6227768/Net-may-stretch-to-catch-speedsters

So these area's suffer from excess speed??

Well yes if you are in rush hour traffic and going at 40kmh and some wit decides to drive up the arse of the traffic at 50kmh cause he is talking on the cellphone.

Or the stolen vehicle being chased by police.

The I suspect that it gets counted as excess speed for the conditions.

Operating cost of $850 thou per year. Best they send out a lot of tickets otherwise it won't earn enough money...... hang on it's a road safety inititive....... mony has nothing to do with it.:laugh::laugh:

[Ocean1]

Each vehicle's average speed within the corridor is then determined by dividing the total distance between the camera points by the time taken to travel between them.

... and applying a fudge factor to compensate for the slow bits.

[rastuscat]

Possibly it escaped your attention that the only people who get tickets are those exceeding the limit.

Almost certainly it means that you have a choice as to whether you get fined or not. You exercise that choice by your choice of speed.

Or is there something mistaken in my assertions? :weird:

[EJK]

Sounds like NZ Police is business. Where can I purchase it's shares?

[SMOKEU]

Possibly it escaped your attention that the only people who get tickets are those exceeding the limit.


That defeats the whole purpose of riding a motorbike. If you want to cruise really slow then buy yourself a 20 year old diesel Hilux.

[FJRider]

... and applying a fudge factor to compensate for the slow bits.

Average speed for the distance usually ...

[rastuscat]

That defeats the whole purpose of riding a motorbike. If you want to cruise really slow then buy yourself a 20 year old diesel Hilux.

Or ride you bike hard on roads that demand skill in twisties. You can normally wring a bike out well, within the speed limit.

[Ocean1]

Possibly it escaped your attention that the only people who get tickets are those exceeding the limit.

Almost certainly it means that you have a choice as to whether you get fined or not. You exercise that choice by your choice of speed.

Or is there something mistaken in my assertions? :weird:

"In the year ended June 2010, police issued more than 457,000 speed-camera-infringement notices."

How many licence holders in NZ?

When the law dissagrees with the majority of the country you've gota at least wonder why, eh?

[vinducati]

With the cost of a Trackday at between $120 and $200, how stupid do you have to be, to figure out, that a speeding ticket will cost you more.

A - You can't do a thing about speed camera's.
B - Moaning about it is so boring.
C - Trackdays are great places to go flat out
D - If you want the world to stand still, at which point shall we wind the clock back.

Anyhow, just saying, please support trackdays and chose wisely were you choose to ride fast.

Cheers

[rastuscat]

That defeats the whole purpose of riding a motorbike. If you want to cruise really slow then buy yourself a 20 year old diesel Hilux.

Am I to assume that your whole purpose in riding a motorbike is to exceed a speed limit?

You might benefit from broadening your horizons.

[SMOKEU]

Or ride you bike hard on roads that demand skill in twisties. You can normally wring a bike out well, within the speed limit.

Yeah, but I don't have that skill. I'm working on it.

[Ocean1]

Average speed for the distance usually ...

If they worked it that way they'd ping almost nobody. In the UK at least I believe they apply a "correction factor" which is supposed to compensate for those sections you can't do the posted limit.

[SMOKEU]

Am I to assume that your whole purpose in riding a motorbike is to exceed a speed limit?

You might benefit from broadening your horizons.

I ride for fun, and as a mode of transport since it's my only vehicle. Sometimes having fun on a bike means going fast, especially on a sports bike. That thrill of coming out of a corner, then going full throttle in 2nd gear and having the front wheel start to feel light is such a nice feeling.

[paturoa]

It would be more effective to change the roads than to try to change the behaviour of motorists.

Let me think of some similar scenarios. ...

It would be more effective to have a curfew on women, than change the behaviour of rapists.

or how about, It would be more effective to ban motorcycles than implement a range of initiatives to improve road safety.

[superman]

How long until highway quality is improved enough that speed limits can be raised to 120km/h?

[Swoop]

A foot, located over the numberplate, solves the issue quite nicely.

[red mermaid]

As soon as the general public agree to a huge rise in tax rates, road user charges fees, petrol tax, and GST.

Are you ready?


How long until highway quality is improved enough that speed limits can be raised to 120km/h?

[Scuba_Steve]

How long until highway quality is improved enough that speed limits can be raised to 120km/h?

-15yrs and counting

[vinducati]

I also look forward to having improved highways.
This will mean higher taxes.
Would you be happy to pay higher taxes?
Probably not.
I don't disagree that the whole idea of that fining people rather than educating people and improving roads is not the way to go.
However, better roads cost money.
So we have to get used to speed camera's being a part of life.
Yes I think they should be signposted and put at blackspots ,not perfectly safe roads, but,
if you want to go fast. really fast, go to a trackday.
If you want to ride on the road do so, but don't moan if you get a ticket, it's the law.
Tough facing the truth isn't it.

[James Deuce]

Bah. Stay off the friggin motorways. Go really fast for 20 minutes, then stop for a coffee before you get to the next camera. Apply some creativity to your personal solution.

[superman]

but don't moan if you get a ticket, it's the law.

BLASPHEMY!

If we did not oppose laws where would we be today? Women wouldn't be able to vote. We would still be allowed slaves. Sodomy would be illegal. Homosexuality would be illegal. Blacks sharing restrooms and bus seats with whites would be lynched.

Now the speeders are the oppressed people of this country! For how much longer shall the bureaucracy stifle the speeders?! For how much longer shall they be punished for merely exceeding an abstract velocity figure, and not be praised for pure common sense velocity choices?!

:Punk: POWER TO THE PEOPLE.

:laugh:

[Berries]

I wouldn't worry. All the ones they put in in my home town were forward facing so that they could also ID the driver if any arguments ensued. If everyone wears hi-viz and a white helmet they wont be able to track us at all.

[vinducati]

What he said.
What about a place in the country like The Isle of Man, with no limits.
I suggest Central Otago.

[Gremlin]

Bah. Stay off the friggin motorways. Go really fast for 20 minutes, then stop for a coffee before you get to the next camera. Apply some creativity to your personal solution.
So when... uh... I go from office to clients, East Tamaki to city, I should stop somewhere? When in the country I like to do 400km ish before stopping... if I can...

[Brian d marge]

"In the year ended June 2010, police issued more than 457,000 speed-camera-infringement notices."

How many licence holders in NZ?

When the law dissagrees with the majority of the country you've gota at least wonder why, eh?

This is the second time I have agreed with you

please try and not make it a third ,

Stephen

[Brian d marge]

Its all about safer journeys folk ....

and everything will be fine Thx1138 , if you would just take your pill :lol:


Stephen

What WILL it take before NZ stops rolling over and does SOMETHING ......:not:

[James Deuce]

So when... uh... I go from office to clients, East Tamaki to city, I should stop somewhere? When in the country I like to do 400km ish before stopping... if I can...

Yes. Work/Life balance Shirley!

[rastuscat]

BLASPHEMY!

If we did not oppose laws where would we be today? Women wouldn't be able to vote. We would still be allowed slaves. Sodomy would be illegal. Homosexuality would be illegal. Blacks sharing restrooms and bus seats with whites would be lynched.

Now the speeders are the oppressed people of this country! For how much longer shall the bureaucracy stifle the speeders?! For how much longer shall they be punished for merely exceeding an abstract velocity figure, and not be praised for pure common sense velocity choices?!

:Punk: POWER TO THE PEOPLE.

:laugh:

Had to laugh at this one. How much good does grizzling on KB actually do? Unless you address the issue through your MP or maybe the Minister, your opposition to the law via KB is simply whinging.

Yeah, whinger. So there.:bleh:

[rastuscat]

How long until highway quality is improved enough that speed limits can be raised to 120km/h?

Don't hold your breath, Obiwan.

[superman]

Had to laugh at this one. How much good does grizzling on KB actually do? Unless you address the issue through your MP or maybe the Minister, your opposition to the law via KB is simply whinging.

Yeah, whinger. So there.:bleh:

I shall whine wherever I see fit good sir. Whining in any public forum can help your viewpoint if others agree. When the masses move as one it is far more powerful than one MP campaigning. I think the greatest testament against current speed enforcement is the fact there were nearly half a million breaches of the law (that were caught). Now if that isn't a rebellion I don't know what is. :msn-wink:

Some countries have speed limits that make far more sense.

France eg. 110 (100 in rain)-expressways
130 (110 in rain)-motorways

In this country if I go 120 on the motorway on a nice sunny day, I'm very dangerous. But if I go around a '55 recommended corner' at 100 in the rain, I am in no breach of any law as long as I don't lose traction. 'SAFETY IS OUR GOAL' :laugh:

Actually out of western countries New Zealand has one of the lowest motorway speeds, with most European countries having 130 or 120. :shit: It's a surprise they don't all die everyday.

[Berries]

What about a place in the country like The Isle of Man, with no limits.
I suggest Central Otago.
Haha. It already is.

[Jantar]

What he said.
What about a place in the country like The Isle of Man, with no limits.
I suggest Central Otago.

Nope, that wouldn't work. Down here in Central Otago you get speeding tickets even when you aren't speeding. It is up to the rider (or driver) to prove that they weren't speeding, not for the cop to prove that they were.

[FJRider]

Nope, that wouldn't work. Down here in Central Otago you get speeding tickets even when you aren't speeding. It is up to the rider (or driver) to prove that they weren't speeding, not for the cop to prove that they were.

Just last week an Aucklander found out the roads ARE patrolled ... His car impounded and is currently walking ...

The court case is still to come ...

[Brian d marge]

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well this is what it sounds like to me anywayz

Stephen

[Usarka]

4 of the 11 sites are Auckland motorways.

Auckland motorway crashes only accounted for 1.4% of road fatalities in 2008.


How is this supposed to be effective?

[superman]

4 of the 11 sites are Auckland motorways.

Auckland motorway crashes only accounted for 1.4% of road fatalities in 2008.


How is this supposed to be effective?

:brick:

I bet they're just annoyed at all the revenue driving by, on nice days when the traffic is quiet a large proportion of the motorway traffic creeps up to 120. If they have a cop sitting there they can only pull over one driver, but with this system everyone will win a docket!

What's the minimum speed on the motorway? 60 right?

Hmm...

[Scuba_Steve]

Actually out of western countries New Zealand has one of the lowest motorway speeds, with most European countries having 130 or 120. :shit: It's a surprise they don't all die everyday.

You gotta remember it's not the actual speed that kills them, it's the surpassing of a made-up number that magically kills people



What's the minimum speed on the motorway? 60 right?

Hmm...

unfortunately no minimum speed, think the vehicle must be capable of 40km/h but no actual minimum unless on a "minimum speed lane" (& motorway in general isn't one). not sure how many actually exist nowadays?
At-least this is my understanding? haven't gone to far into this as I'm never under the upper limit let-alone any lower one should it exist.

[superman]

You gotta remember it's not the actual speed that kills them, it's the surpassing of a made-up number that magically kills people



unfortunately no minimum speed, think the vehicle must be capable of 40km/h but no actual minimum unless on a "minimum speed lane" (& motorway in general isn't one). not sure how many actually exist nowadays?
At-least this is my understanding? haven't gone to far into this as I'm never under the upper limit let-alone any lower one should it exist.

Yeah, I'm just trying to think if they put one of these systems on the motorway how to be the biggest cunt about it.

I can just imagine all the lanes taken up, and all cars sitting doing 95 exactly on their speedos (so under 90km/h) just to be sure that they don't get ticketed for however many km's the ASC is in place. That will of course increase congestion, just what the Auckland motorway system needs. :facepalm:

[Ocean1]

Yeah, I'm just trying to think if they put one of these systems on the motorway how to be the biggest cunt about it.

Ask the country that invented them...

http://www.speedcam.co.uk/gatso2.htm

[superman]

Ask the country that invented them...

http://www.speedcam.co.uk/gatso2.htm

Oh no, don't give me ideas! :crazy:

Be hard to get access on a quiet evening to a motorway placement though I'm sure. Might need a flame thrower...

[scumdog]

I ride for fun, and as a mode of transport since it's my only vehicle. Sometimes having fun on a bike means going fast, especially on a sports bike. That thrill of coming out of a corner, then going full throttle in 2nd gear and having the front wheel start to feel light is such a nice feeling.

Should done that when Dangerous caught up with you!

THAT would have given him the learn eh...:woohoo:

[SMOKEU]

Should done that when Dangerous caught up with you!

THAT would have given him the learn eh...:woohoo:

That would be illegal. Surely you're not encouraging silly behaviour on the roads?

[scumdog]

A foot, located over the numberplate, solves the issue quite nicely.

Wouldn't you get cramp after a while???:crazy:

[pete376403]

How long until highway quality is improved enough that speed limits can be raised to 120km/h?

This will never happen. That better road engineering would improve the crash stats appears to have completely escaped NZTA (or whatever they are currently called) - they don't appear to have a clue, and the current knee-jerk reaction to the crash near Otahainga (P'ram) seems to confirm this - close the passing lanes and reduce the limit to 80k. How long will it be before they require a man with a red flag to walk in front of motor vehicles ?

[Damantis]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cyq1Icnjjf0&feature=related

[MrKiwi]

That defeats the whole purpose of riding a motorbike. If you want to cruise really slow then buy yourself a 20 year old diesel Hilux.

Very helpful :bs:

[Berries]

He's right though. I certainly don't ride a bike for the free parking.

[rastuscat]

He's right though. I certainly don't ride a bike for the free parking.

Free parking is one reason of the many I ride for.

[Berries]

I'll take the free parking, but if I don't get a bit of excitement out of riding my bike every day then I really can't see the point.

[rastuscat]

I'll take the free parking, but if I don't get a bit of excitement out of riding my bike every day then I really can't see the point.

Cheaper on gas.

Takes up less space in the garage.

Exciting too.

And free parking.

You want exciting? Come ride around Christchurch. Near death experiences most days.

[Berries]

I used to go to Christchurch every couple of months so I'm familiar with the feeling of a near death experience.

Being serious for half a second, how did Warners in the square hold up? Fond memories of pulling a Dutch backpacker there.

[davereid]

Fond memories of pulling a Dutch backpacker there.

Does he still write to you ? Sometime those dutch can be so heartless.

[rastuscat]

I used to go to Christchurch every couple of months so I'm familiar with the feeling of a near death experience.

Being serious for half a second, how did Warners in the square hold up? Fond memories of pulling a Dutch backpacker there.

Gone in 60 seconds, I'm afraid.

[Fast Eddie]

Does he still write to you ? Sometime those dutch can be so heartless.

hahaha :laugh:

[Berries]

Does he still write to you ?
If she was a he then I'll be asking for the same surgeon next time I end up in hospital, he did a pretty good job.

Having said that, I thought the cheese smell was a bit odd. I just thought it was a Dutch thing.

[Pseudonym]

Bend the plate, chances are it’ll be front plates that get clicked anyway though…
If, in their infinite wisdom, they put them on country roads, will they then deduce that everyone will be doing 55kph around 55kph marked corners?
Will they use the same Reliant Robin to get the speed/distance as they use for the corner speed?

Got a bloody ticket in the mail a few months back, 58kph in a 50 zone.
This is on a major four lane (two each way) road though an industrial area that I thought was a 60kph limit.
I’m such a fucking menace!
But I’ve learnt my lesson now… :bleh:

[RDJ]

Possibly it escaped your attention that the only people who get tickets are those exceeding the limit.

Almost certainly it means that you have a choice as to whether you get fined or not. You exercise that choice by your choice of speed.

Or is there something mistaken in my assertions? :weird:

Why yes, yes there is.

[Berries]

If, in their infinite wisdom, they put them on country roads, will they then deduce that everyone will be doing 55kph around 55kph marked corners?
No, because that is not the speed limit and there is nothing illegal about exceeding it.

[SMOKEU]

Yeah it's only the suggested speed (for cornering).

[Top Cat]

If she was a he then I'll be asking for the same surgeon next time I end up in hospital, he did a pretty good job.

Having said that, I thought the cheese smell was a bit odd. I just thought it was a Dutch thing.


Good come back dude.....:2guns: