The OOPS award 2012 NZ Superbike Championships

[jellywrestler]

For the 2012 New Zealand Superbike Championships there will be an OOPS Award at each around.
Awarded by the Commentators taking note on whose had a moment over the weekend that shouldn't really have happened.
First prize was judged to be Seth Deveraux but he did not attend prize giving so it was awarded to the next on the list Glen Skachill


Seth Deveraux, an Apprentice Motorcycle Mechanic crashed his Kawasaki 250 on the last lap of one race, picked it up but couldn't get it restarted and lost any chance of points for the race.
These bikes have a 'tip sensor' and to reset it it needed to be switched off then back on...


Glen Skachill put on a rear tyre for Qualifying, BACKWARDS.

Any titbits at the track you think may be worthy of an OOPS award let the Commentators of the day know and they'll put it on the sheet.

[Crasherfromwayback]

I've got one.

How 'bout MNZ not knowing their own fucking rules?

[SWERVE]

I should have picked up that voucher on behalf of Seth.............. as it was me who pointed it out to him....... and i pay all the bills. But good call Spyda.
As for the ooopppss award / mnz............... it wouldnt be fair to give them all the awards....... justified but not fair.

[oyster]

They changed the Streetstock rules to allow the use of tyres the riders have been requesting for years. A memo (22Dec) to all stewards explicitly noted the change, the new printed rule book had the change. So, in good faith a large number of young riders, who save up for and prepare for the 3 round McCleary junior cup are ready, with bikes compliant to these rules. AFTER the riders breifing they're called up to be told the rule change was a mistake, and last year's rules rules apply again. Effective immediately, IE you have 1 hour to comply. If you don't you'll be excluded from entering the track, even for untimed practice. Safe fun FAIR. Yeah right.....

I asked Jim Tuckerman if he will be as tough on the championship classes re compliance. he wouldn't answer the question.

What are the key ingredients of bullying?
Authority (power) plus ignorance plus a soft target.
Make you own mind up

[Kickaha]

What are the key ingredients of bullying?
Authority (power) plus ignorance plus a soft target.
Make you own mind up

Well we've already seen that with his bullshit with the sidecars

What was the reason given for running to the "old rules"?
In whose best interest was it to run to them?

[wharfy]

What are the key ingredients of bullying?
Authority (power) plus ignorance plus a soft target.
Make you own mind up

Thats a pretty good definition

[jellywrestler]

The presentation of the OOPS award is a light hearted affair and it's also there to remind us that we're at the track for fun and have a laugh at each other in a SPORTING manner.
Please keep that in mind folks and leave other rants out of this thread.

[Tony.OK]

The presentation of the OOPS award is a light hearted affair and it's also there to remind us that we're at the track for fun and have a laugh at each other in a SPORTING manner.
Please keep that in mind folks and leave other rants out of this thread.

Errr....................does someone talking into a mic for 5 min then realizing its turned off count?

[Edbear]

Errr....................does someone talking into a mic for 5 min then realizing its turned off count?

Now I wonder who that could have been and was it anywhere near Hampton Downs..? :pinch:

[RobGassit]

Errr....................does someone talking into a mic for 5 min then realizing its turned off count?

It was definately turned on at round 1 prize giving when he told everyone, including about 10 kids under 7 in the front row about his wife getting the thumbs up at the Gyno earlier in the week! I am still laughing now as I type this.

[The Chow]

I should have picked up that voucher on behalf of Seth.............. as it was me who pointed it out to him....... and i pay all the bills. But good call Spyda.
As for the ooopppss award / mnz............... it wouldnt be fair to give them all the awards....... justified but not fair.


As the other commentator down there , We decided between ourselves to bring this FUN prize in. It was me and spyda that decided Merv NOT MNZ ,or commission . It was us and we won't be doing anything like it at round 2 as it was a light hearted FUN award and has now turned in this. Losers are the riders.

I would like to thank everyone for your comments about our commentary , it is not an easy job and yes we make fuck ups. I would like also to state that after this season I will no longer be involved in the Road Racing world. I have had enough of , where do I start, Writing all the correct Supp regs , all the correct legal entry forms (after the first round fuck ups) , setting up the web coverage and compiling the points for the series , finding and introducing Grant Collingwood to Tim Gibbs to get the "Live Timing" and Streaming online. Getting sponsorship from RK Chain among others , the list goes on.

In fucking return over the last couple of seasons we have had comments that we choose to ignore, now it just gets to me , and I'm over it. As for sidecars they are their own worst enemy , 150 Streetstock love the concept but am over the bullshit ,this has been going on for the last six years well before the current MNZ admin. 250 Prolite love it , but the rules are the rules.

Chow

[RobGassit]

As the other commentator down there , We decided between ourselves to bring this FUN prize in. It was me and spyda that decided Merv NOT MNZ ,or commission . It was us and we won't be doing anything like it at round 2 as it was a light hearted FUN award and has now turned in this. Losers are the riders.

I would like to thank everyone for your comments about our commentary , it is not an easy job and yes we make fuck ups. I would like also to state that after this season I will no longer be involved in the Road Racing world. I have had enough of , where do I start, Writing all the correct Supp regs , all the correct legal entry forms (after the first round fuck ups) , setting up the web coverage and compiling the points for the series , finding and introducing Grant Collingwood to Tim Gibbs to get the "Live Timing" and Streaming online. Getting sponsorship from RK Chain among others , the list goes on.

In fucking return over the last couple of seasons we have had comments that we choose to ignore, now it just gets to me , and I'm over it. As for sidecars they are their own worst enemy , 150 Streetstock love the concept but am over the bullshit ,this has been going on for the last six years well before the current MNZ admin. 250 Prolite love it , but the rules are the rules.

Chow

It must seriously be a bloody nightmare "no win" kind of job Chow. God bless you and others like you who step up for it. Loved the oops award. We needed a laugh after that meeting for sure and you and your crazy mate Jelly delivered.

[discodan]

Pirellis can go on backwards and still work as normal.

Well done to the commentators, not easy especially when the timing info you get has errors through it.

[Shorty_925]

As the other commentator down there , We decided between ourselves to bring this FUN prize in. It was me and spyda that decided Merv NOT MNZ ,or commission . It was us and we won't be doing anything like it at round 2 as it was a light hearted FUN award and has now turned in this. Losers are the riders.

I would like to thank everyone for your comments about our commentary , it is not an easy job and yes we make fuck ups. I would like also to state that after this season I will no longer be involved in the Road Racing world. I have had enough of , where do I start, Writing all the correct Supp regs , all the correct legal entry forms (after the first round fuck ups) , setting up the web coverage and compiling the points for the series , finding and introducing Grant Collingwood to Tim Gibbs to get the "Live Timing" and Streaming online. Getting sponsorship from RK Chain among others , the list goes on.

In fucking return over the last couple of seasons we have had comments that we choose to ignore, now it just gets to me , and I'm over it. As for sidecars they are their own worst enemy , 150 Streetstock love the concept but am over the bullshit ,this has been going on for the last six years well before the current MNZ admin. 250 Prolite love it , but the rules are the rules.

Chow

It was great coverage for them that can not make it. Sorry to read that your not going continue.

[Tony.OK]

It was great coverage for them that can not make it. Sorry to read that your not going continue.

+1
Best improvement to racing for ages................bloody well done. Loved being able to keep up with racing from a distance :2thumbsup

[richban]

+1
Best improvement to racing for ages................bloody well done. Loved being able to keep up with racing from a distance :2thumbsup

loved being able to tune in for live coverage. Well done to everyone that puts in the hard yards to make it happen. Onwards and upwards. love your work.

[Billy]

They changed the Streetstock rules to allow the use of tyres the riders have been requesting for years. A memo (22Dec) to all stewards explicitly noted the change, the new printed rule book had the change. So, in good faith a large number of young riders, who save up for and prepare for the 3 round McCleary junior cup are ready, with bikes compliant to these rules. AFTER the riders breifing they're called up to be told the rule change was a mistake, and last year's rules rules apply again. Effective immediately, IE you have 1 hour to comply. If you don't you'll be excluded from entering the track, even for untimed practice. Safe fun FAIR. Yeah right.....

I asked Jim Tuckerman if he will be as tough on the championship classes re compliance. he wouldn't answer the question.

What are the key ingredients of bullying?
Authority (power) plus ignorance plus a soft target.
Make you own mind up

Sorry Spyda,But I aint lettin Pete get away with that post,Its pure propaganda,

Pete you know as well as anybody does your post is full of mistruths,We on the roadrace commission made no changes to the streetstock tyre rules and I informed both Dennis Charlett and your self of this 2 weeks before Xmas,Any memos sent were from MCI and had absolutely no ratification from anybody on the roadrace commission at MNZ or as far as Im aware,the board.

It was my suggestion you create another class to get around the tyre rulings you were not happy about and I also informed Dennis and Angela Charlett at round 2 of the tri series at Manfeild on the 17th of December,That it was too late to change anything before round 1 of the Nationals and it would have to wait til the winter series,Somebody at MCI after that date sent out with acceptances for rd 1 new supp regs for that meeting that were not only invalid as they were not even sent to the roadrace commission to be signed off but were incorrect,The rules you mention in the new rulebook dont even exist as they were overlooked therefore the rules effective Jan 1st 2011 on the website are the rules and you damned well know it!!!!

I went well out of my way to try and come to an amicable arrangement with you,Dennis and Angela on this matter and to read this utter tripe on the internet disgusts me,The reason for anybody thats interested,We wont allow the use of 120/70x17 front tyres on the rear of an RG is because ALL the tyre importers with in NZ recommend you A dont run a rear tyre in the reverse direction on the rear of any motorcycle,B run a 120/70 on a 2.15 rim,The ramifications for MNZ if we end up in the coroners court due to the unthinkable happening are endless and its our job to look after the interests of ALL our members,NOT just a select few when it comes to legalities,But you already know all this because I took the time to ring you and talk to you one on one instead of it filtering down through the chain,So you would know the exact truth.I also notice youve negleted too mention through your post that one of your junior riders threatened an MNZ official with physical violence on the weekend just gone,Is that part of your junior training?????Lte him do it in front of me and he'll be up on a breach of conduct charge instantly.

[Billy]

Well we've already seen that with his bullshit with the sidecars

What was the reason given for running to the "old rules"?
In whose best interest was it to run to them?


The riders and the members of MNZ in general and they are NOT he old rules they are the current rules and will not be changing anytime soon.

[oyster]

Billy, myself, along with every steward in NZ got a letter from MNZ dated 22nd Dec 2011
stating the rules had been changed, along with a hardcopy rulebook confirming it.

If you want, I'll scan it and copy it on here. If members can't trust hard copy documents like that, what can they trust?

Dennis Charlett told me on Jan 2nd "good news Peter, MNZ have finally listened". With hand on my heart, I GENUINELY believed you or someone had finally got this long awaited correction done.

Tell me Billy, when did MNZ realise this "mistake". Was it 5 minutes after the riders breifing? Or earlier. Even telling the riders 24hrs earlier would've made a huge difference. Did they not know the day before? This is nothing but planned 1st degree bullying and if anyone is guilty of a breach of the code of conduct, it's MNZ for bring itself into disrepute.

Tell me Billy, why are MNZ not applying the same "policing" to other classes. I offered Jim Tuckerman a list of non compliances in other classes. If he was fair he'd have acted on it it. This is discrimination, another breach of the code of conduct, and the human rights act.

[puddytat]

jeez...what a clusterfuck.

[Str8 Jacket]

I think that the OOP'S award may need to go to Spyda just for starting this thread on KB! :facepalm:

[oyster]

Oops I forgot. No billy, physical violence is not in the training. But abuse is. I have to teach them they will get discrimination and abuse from officials (including MNZ) from time to time. It's quite common actually....
I wasn't aware of this threat you talk of, I'd certainly have something to say...But a I know a very nice 125 year old girl called Jim Tuckerman a Fuc....g Wanker. I corrected her, i said it should be "copulating masturbator" and then no bad language would be getting used

The real concern I have is the language of the MC at the prizegiving. Disgusting. I know most other clubs have no youth in them, but our one does, so standards DO apply.

[Mental Trousers]

I think that the OOP'S award may need to go to Spyda just for starting this thread on KB! :facepalm:

Gets my vote :pinch:

[Crasherfromwayback]

I'll take the full rap for fucking it and apologize seeing as I was the first to slag off MNZ. My apologies Spyda.

[Rodger96]

Hey Ian dont let it it get to you,What an awesome job you did at ruapuna for the live commentery and timing. Spot on mate and look forward to seeing the team down in Sunny Southland!

[oyster]

I'm with you re Ian Dawson. Top bloke and his "behind the scenes" work is not recognised or appreciated enough for sure! Thanks Ian
The first time we met, 6 years ago, didn't go too good eh.... After a pat on the back for the good work developing junior racing in Canterbury you gave me some advice:
A) Don't waste your time trying to help other clubs to adopt your successful model. Egos will prevent it.
B) Forget MNZ. Because they don't (want to) understand it they will beat it up. Best to run your own domestic rules and keep your head low.
These things really pissed me off! Big time! But you were right and I was wrong.

Thanks again

[Crasherfromwayback]

I'm with you re Ian Dawson. Top bloke and his "behind the scenes" work is not recognised or appreciated enough for sure! Thanks Ian


I'm with you there. He's a GC for sure. Nice work Ian.

[Yow Ling]

I went well out of my way to try and come to an amicable arrangement with you,Dennis and Angela on this matter and to read this utter tripe on the internet disgusts me,The reason for anybody thats interested,We wont allow the use of 120/70x17 front tyres on the rear of an RG is because ALL the tyre importers with in NZ recommend you A dont run a rear tyre in the reverse direction on the rear of any motorcycle,B run a 120/70 on a 2.15 rim,The ramifications for MNZ if we end up in the coroners court due to the unthinkable happening are endless and its our job to look after the interests of ALL our members,NOT just a select few when it comes to legalities,But you already know all this because I took the time to ring you and talk to you one on one instead of it filtering down through the chain,So you would know the exact truth.I also notice youve negleted too mention through your post that one of your junior riders threatened an MNZ official with physical violence on the weekend just gone,Is that part of your junior training?????Lte him do it in front of me and he'll be up on a breach of conduct charge instantly.

How come sketchy can run his reartyre backwards and not get disqualified, or even killed ?

[Billy]

How come sketchy can run his reartyre backwards and not get disqualified, or even killed ?

Possibly because it was fitted in error and nobody knew about it til it was too late and any way it was still the correct fitment :yes::yes::yes:

[oyster]

The '09 Pro Twin championship was won with incorrect fitment (oversized) rear tyres.
The '04 600SP championship the same, but in this case undersized.
Not to mention countless F4, F5 and classic class titles

[Kickaha]

.But a I know a very nice 125 year old girl .
If she is 125 years old she is hardly a girl


I'll take the full rap for fucking it and apologize seeing as I was the first to slag off MNZ. My apologies Spyda.
Yeah Pete what a cunt, look what you started


How come sketchy can run his reartyre backwards and not get disqualified, or even killed ?
Because it depends on who you are to what rules are applied to you


As for sidecars they are their own worst enemy

Quite true, but they weren't until Tuckerman fucked them over

I appreciate the job you have done, it will be a pity to see you go

[Str8 Jacket]

OH FFS! I am actually getting really sick of all this petty bickering that happens every year round about now. Look, I respect and like all you guy's immensely and do value you and the time you spend on 'our sport'. But seriously ladies, it's time to pick the toys up, pack the cot away and either a) just get over it and provide the best support and guidance possible to the people you choose to while ignoring the haters (while playing within MNZ rules as best as possible without blatantly cheating) or b) it's time to walk the fuck away. Some of you are starting to embarrass yourselves.

BTW - I am not calling any of you cheaters but if ya'll keep going on like this I am buying you all handbags for xmas!

[Kickaha]

I am buying you all handbags for xmas!
Just make sure it is in black

[Str8 Jacket]

Just make sure it is in black

More like pink with extra pink bits.

[jellywrestler]

pink bits. mmmmmmmmmmmmmm pink bits...

[Billy]

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Billy, myself, along with every steward in NZ got a letter from MNZ dated 22nd Dec 2011
stating the rules had been changed, along with a hardcopy rulebook confirming it.

If you want, I'll scan it and copy it on here. If members can't trust hard copy documents like that, what can they trust?

Dennis Charlett told me on Jan 2nd "good news Peter, MNZ have finally listened". With hand on my heart, I GENUINELY believed you or someone had finally got this long awaited correction done.

Tell me Billy, when did MNZ realise this "mistake". Was it 5 minutes after the riders breifing? Or earlier. Even telling the riders 24hrs earlier would've made a huge difference. Did they not know the day before? This is nothing but planned 1st degree bullying and if anyone is guilty of a breach of the code of conduct, it's MNZ for bring itself into disrepute.

Tell me Billy, why are MNZ not applying the same "policing" to other classes. I offered Jim Tuckerman a list of non compliances in other classes. If he was fair he'd have acted on it it. This is discrimination, another breach of the code of conduct, and the human rights act.

Is the memo above the letter you speak of Pete?If so can you please explain where it states there has been a rule change,Also at no point does it allow the use of slicks or 120/70x17 tyres,In fact it reinforces the rules effective Jan 1 2011,At NO stage did I or any other member of the roadrace commission instruct either you or Dennis that there has been a rule change,In fact I made it perfectly clear to both of you that under the current commission the use of 120/70 front would NEVER be allowed to be used on a 2.15 rim,It also doesnt explain why the email forwarded to me from you requesting Wendy to apply for new supp regs for streetstock at Round 1,(Which I might add was never forwarded on to MNZ)well before that memo from MNZ was ever in circulation,Nor does it explain the acceptance recieved by La Salle Carr on the 20th of december explaining how the rules had changed and would be as run at MCI clubdays,That was as Im sure you are aware 2 days before the memo from MNZ,Also at the bottom of the same acceptance there is a footnote stating the regs for streetstock will be handed out at sign on for round 1,What regs???Who applied for them and when????

Put simply mate,This whole streetstock tyre war,Thats been going on between yourself and MNZ since Paul Pavletich days,Seems to stem from your complete inability to accept no for an answer,In the last few months you have sent me countless emails and we have spoken on the phone,You have given me a number of reasons why you dont think the Bridgestones are suitable for use,But not 1 scrap of evidence that the 120/70s are designed to run on a 2.15 rim in the wrong direction from a reputable tyre manufacturer/distributor.

What happened last weekend at Ruapuna was nothing more than an ambush set up for the visiting MNZ officials to walk into,You people had planned to contravene the rules well before it was discovered the streetstock tyre rules had been left out of the new rulebook and just used that as an extra lever.

[Billy]

OH FFS! I am actually getting really sick of all this petty bickering that happens every year round about now. Look, I respect and like all you guy's immensely and do value you and the time you spend on 'our sport'. But seriously ladies, it's time to pick the toys up, pack the cot away and either a) just get over it and provide the best support and guidance possible to the people you choose to while ignoring the haters (while playing within MNZ rules as best as possible without blatantly cheating) or b) it's time to walk the fuck away. Some of you are starting to embarrass yourselves.

BTW - I am not calling any of you cheaters but if ya'll keep going on like this I am buying you all handbags for xmas!

Make mine "sky blue" please and with tassles

[Str8 Jacket]

Make mine "sky blue" please and with tassles

For you Billy, of course. But it will have to have pink trim! ;)

[Billy]

For you Billy, of course. But it will have to have pink trim! ;)

Done!!! I luffs you!

[Crasherfromwayback]

I am buying you all handbags for xmas!

Seeing as I sell Harleys now...I want tassels on mine.

[gav]

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Is the memo above the letter you speak of Pete?If so can you please explain where it states there has been a rule change,Also at no point does it allow the use of slicks or 120/70x17 tyres,In fact it reinforces the rules effective Jan 1 2011,At NO stage did I or any other member of the roadrace commission instruct either you or Dennis that there has been a rule change,In fact I made it perfectly clear to both of you that under the current commission the use of 120/70 front would NEVER be allowed to be used on a 2.15 rim,It also doesnt explain why the email forwarded to me from you requesting Wendy to apply for new supp regs for streetstock at Round 1,(Which I might add was never forwarded on to MNZ)well before that memo from MNZ was ever in circulation,Nor does it explain the acceptance recieved by La Salle Carr on the 20th of december explaining how the rules had changed and would be as run at MCI clubdays,That was as Im sure you are aware 2 days before the memo from MNZ,Also at the bottom of the same acceptance there is a footnote stating the regs for streetstock will be handed out at sign on for round 1,What regs???Who applied for them and when????

Put simply mate,This whole streetstock tyre war,Thats been going on between yourself and MNZ since Paul Pavletich days,Seems to stem from your complete inability to accept no for an answer,In the last few months you have sent me countless emails and we have spoken on the phone,You have given me a number of reasons why you dont think the Bridgestones are suitable for use,But not 1 scrap of evidence that the 120/70s are designed to run on a 2.15 rim in the wrong direction from a reputable tyre manufacturer/distributor.

What happened last weekend at Ruapuna was nothing more than an ambush set up for the visiting MNZ officials to walk into,You people had planned to contravene the rules well before it was discovered the streetstock tyre rules had been left out of the new rulebook and just used that as an extra lever.

Just out of interest, there is nothing in the rules to stop a F4 (Bucket) bike running that particular tyre combination if they so wished, is there? Especially as the F4 class is running in the same Development Class races. And the standard rear rim on a FXR150 is a 2.15.

[Grumph]

Just out of interest, there is nothing in the rules to stop a F4 (Bucket) bike running that particular tyre combination if they so wished, is there? Especially as the F4 class is running in the same Development Class races. And the standard rear rim on a FXR150 is a 2.15.

Your handbag, sir, comes with the optional brick....for dropping.

You will not be popular if this encourages MNZ to look at bucket practices.....

[gav]

Your handbag, sir, comes with the optional brick....for dropping.

You will not be popular if this encourages MNZ to look at bucket practices.....
Well, hard enough getting them to look and clarify the standard rules, let alone adding new ones . :brick: Oh look, found a use for that brick too .... ;)

[Str8 Jacket]

Maybe you should be giving out a (optional pink) handbag at each round Spyda?

[jellywrestler]

Maybe you should be giving out a (optional pink) handbag at each round Spyda?maybe but i'm pretty sure that none of the people who've mentioned the handbag will even be at the races...

Besides, i'm getting them to rename this thread POOPS

[SWERVE]

As the other commentator down there , We decided between ourselves to bring this FUN prize in. It was me and spyda that decided Merv NOT MNZ ,or commission . It was us and we won't be doing anything like it at round 2 as it was a light hearted FUN award and has now turned in this. Losers are the riders.

I would like to thank everyone for your comments about our commentary , it is not an easy job and yes we make fuck ups. I would like also to state that after this season I will no longer be involved in the Road Racing world. I have had enough of , where do I start, Writing all the correct Supp regs , all the correct legal entry forms (after the first round fuck ups) , setting up the web coverage and compiling the points for the series , finding and introducing Grant Collingwood to Tim Gibbs to get the "Live Timing" and Streaming online. Getting sponsorship from RK Chain among others , the list goes on.

In fucking return over the last couple of seasons we have had comments that we choose to ignore, now it just gets to me , and I'm over it. As for sidecars they are their own worst enemy , 150 Streetstock love the concept but am over the bullshit ,this has been going on for the last six years well before the current MNZ admin. 250 Prolite love it , but the rules are the rules.

Chow

Hey mate........you took my comment the wrong way.... i was being light-hearted too about picking up the award .
And i meant it would be unfair to GIVE ALL the oppps awards TO mnz......... as they would easily win as many as you had available........!
You do a great job and although i may comment /disagree on some of your various forums.......... i commended you on your commitment to the sport i love.

[Crasherfromwayback]

maybe but i'm pretty sure that none of the people who've mentioned the handbag will even be at the races...



Maybe not. But some of them have at least been there and done that.

[The Chow]

Hey mate........you took my comment the wrong way.... i was being light-hearted too about picking up the award .
And i meant it would be unfair to GIVE ALL the oppps awards TO mnz......... as they would easily win as many as you had available........!
You do a great job and although i may comment /disagree on some of your various forums.......... i commended you on your commitment to the sport i love.

Hi Merv

In the light of day I see that I was wrong and I did mis-read your comments. (note to self re-read before posting a reply). I was just so rooted from the weekend , that I jumped too fast. And I'm sorry that I re-acted that way , I like so many in the sport I'm just fed up with so call experts not just here on KB knowing everything about how to run meetings , rules and passing un-informed judgement on incidents that happen when they weren't even there. However people are entitled to an opinion I guess but it does wear you down after a while.

Most and I must re-iterated MOST choose to be part of the sport for the love of it. Some however have agendas and some will only go racing when others pay for it. It is the people who turn up year after year that are the back bone of the sport without them there would be no sport at any level.

Cheers
See you at Timaru

[feral1]

Ian,
You keep up the good work mate. I'm loving this internet coverage of the Nats you are providing, while sitting here in a cold europe.. brrrr
Eric

[jellywrestler]

I have to teach them they will get discrimination and abuse from officials (including MNZ) from time to time. It's quite common actually....
But a I know a very nice 125 year old girl called Jim Tuckerman a Fuc....g Wanker. I corrected her, i said it should be "copulating masturbator" and then no bad language would be getting used

The real concern I have is the language of the MC at the prizegiving. Disgusting. I know most other clubs have no youth in them, but our one does, so standards DO apply.
I was that 'MC" at the prizegiving and I'd like to take you seriuosly but somehow I can't.
In one statement here you tell the tale of 'teaching' people they will get discrimination and abuse, yet you feel the need to put cotton wool in their ears when the F word is said.
I did get loose at the prize giving, and to those who were offended by it I do apoligise.
I have had five days of Commentating and interveiwing over the last 28 days and concious all the time that not only am I speaking in public, it is going around the world and being recorded, it's tough when I will admit to having a building site background, and worse still, Mr Oyster (is it Mr or Mrs?) I come from the Sidecar Fraternity.
I was worn out and offered to help at prize giving and let my hair down, Guilty as charged.
I did warn people early on that the Prizegiving was Rated PGR, Probably Gets Rude were my exact words however and most of my humour was way over the heads of the youngsters I'm sure.
Why can't I take you seriously Mr Oyster? you mention the youth; most likely the 150 and 250 riders and siblings, that you so need to protect from this sort of language yet in your previous paragraph you're quite happy to use the word Masturbator and actually directed towards an official.
Double standards? Too right, your precious youth also frequent this site and know who you are and not only read your words eg Fuc....g Wanker, but re read them a dozen times and can copy and paste them out to their mates, my words were spoken then gone, except for the occasional quote that somehow finds it's way onto KB.
I enjoyed the meeting immensly, it was a privelige to support firstly the Canterbury region and secondly Motorcycle Racing in New Zealand and watch some of the finest Motorcyle racing I've ever seen in this country, and I've seen a lot. To see two riders fastest laps separated by just two-thousandths of a second at the front of a feild is unreal, to see it twice at the same meeting I just about wet myself.
I did this all self funded from the North Island, oh you better add that to the list with building site and sidecar fraternity, with the exception of a free ticket to the event and a can of Red Bull. ( I was offered assistance to get there but declined, this is my contribution to my Sport)
Not sure whether I'm going to Timaru this weekend, I'm yet to find a way to get there and the coin but I take it after your rant It's cool with you to use the word Masturbator, your young Mentors are well aware of that word it seems?

[dean boy]

I was that 'MC" at the prizegiving and I'd like to take you seriuosly but somehow I can't.
In one statement here you tell the tale of 'teaching' people they will get discrimination and abuse, yet you feel the need to put cotton wool in their ears when the F word is said.
I did get loose at the prize giving, and to those who were offended by it I do apoligise.
I have had five days of Commentating and interveiwing over the last 28 days and concious all the time that not only am I speaking in public, it is going around the world and being recorded, it's tough when I will admit to having a building site background, and worse still, Mr Oyster (is it Mr or Mrs?) I come from the Sidecar Fraternity.
I was worn out and offered to help at prize giving and let my hair down, Guilty as charged.
I did warn people early on that the Prizegiving was Rated PGR, Probably Gets Rude were my exact words however and most of my humour was way over the heads of the youngsters I'm sure.
Why can't I take you seriously Mr Oyster? you mention the youth; most likely the 150 and 250 riders and siblings, that you so need to protect from this sort of language yet in your previous paragraph you're quite happy to use the word Masturbator and actually directed towards an official.
Double standards? Too right, your precious youth also frequent this site and know who you are and not only read your words eg Fuc....g Wanker, but re read them a dozen times and can copy and paste them out to their mates, my words were spoken then gone, except for the occasional quote that somehow finds it's way onto KB.
I enjoyed the meeting immensly, it was a privelige to support firstly the Canterbury region and secondly Motorcycle Racing in New Zealand and watch some of the finest Motorcyle racing I've ever seen in this country, and I've seen a lot. To see two riders fastest laps separated by just two-thousandths of a second at the front of a feild is unreal, to see it twice at the same meeting I just about wet myself.
I did this all self funded from the North Island, oh you better add that to the list with building site and sidecar fraternity, with the exception of a free ticket to the event. ( I was offered assistance to get there but declined, this is my contribution to my Sport)
Not sure whether I'm going to Timaru this weekend, I'm yet to find a way to get there and the coin but I take it after your rant It's cool with you to use the word Masturbator, your young Mentors are well aware of that word it seems?

Hi Mate you where awesome, i really enjoyed it and would welcome you back, again thanks for your support thru out the weekend, sorry for the early start on Sunday. Dean James

[Billy]

Just out of interest, there is nothing in the rules to stop a F4 (Bucket) bike running that particular tyre combination if they so wished, is there? Especially as the F4 class is running in the same Development Class races. And the standard rear rim on a FXR150 is a 2.15.


Well, hard enough getting them to look and clarify the standard rules, let alone adding new ones . :brick: Oh look, found a use for that brick too .... ;)

Yes good point Gav,Maybe as Greg has suggested we should look at the tyre rules for buckets participating on the bigger circuits,I mean after all the only reason there are no restrictions on tyres for them now is because they have generally been run on the smaller and slower tracks,I'd suggest in future the best place to get answers for your queries would be through the correct channels,IE the contact details on the MNZ website.

[oyster]

Sorry Billy, but I've never seen this memo you have. As a steward i'm entitled to this information. The one I have dated 22nd Dec is totally different. The one you have I was told was produced at the very last minute, certainly no one told the riders about it. Evidence suggests it was falsely dated. Note the wording "championship starting next weekend." Did I miss round 1 of the championship on Dec 24th/25th as the memo states?
Of course not. If there was an ambush, it was by MNZ intending to beat up the young riders.

[Grumph]

Yes good point Gav,Maybe as Greg has suggested we should look at the tyre rules for buckets participating on the bigger circuits,I mean after all the only reason there are no restrictions on tyres for them now is because they have generally been run on the smaller and slower tracks,I'd suggest in future the best place to get answers for your queries would be through the correct channels,IE the contact details on the MNZ website.

Jesus, Billy, I did not suggest it !!!! Are you trying to get me hung ???

You don't have to poke a stick at me just because i'm around ChCh....i'm neutral on your issues with Oysterman.

i am however, surprised at MCI as they have had a very good reputation for dotting the i's and crossing t's prior to sending out enty forms.

[Billy]

Jesus, Billy, I did not suggest it !!!! Are you trying to get me hung ???

You don't have to poke a stick at me just because i'm around ChCh....i'm neutral on your issues with Oysterman.

i am however, surprised at MCI as they have had a very good reputation for dotting the i's and crossing t's prior to sending out enty forms.

Haha!Yea,Sorry mate,Looks like you copped a bit of freindly fire there,It was said tongue in cheek of course,We are NOT looking at interferring with the Bucket rules as they stand.

Yea I'm a bit surprised at the MCI thing as well and so were some of the organsing committee set up by Dennis when we contacted them for an explanation ????

[miper]

I don't often post here but some of the comments regarding MNZ officials and the hoard of volunteers who give up their own time to allow the continued existence of motorcycle road racing has me in a state of bewilderment. I have in the past been a competitor at the nationals, club level and every other level where a motorcycle was involved and following this, I chose to give something back by becoming an MNZ Steward at national road race and motocross meetings. The negative comments regarding officialdom being bandied about on here are in no way helping the sport to progress and the various issues faced by competitors should be handled with an amount of constructive insight instead of petty innuendo’s and non-constructive slights. These negative comments etc. will, and over the years have, only served to piss the backbone of the sport off, and as in my case persuaded them to distance themselves from the sport in general
To the guys like Ian Dawson, Spyda , Billy etc. etc. who give up great amounts of their own time free of charge to develop and foster the sport, bloody well done one and all. Without selfless enthusiasm such as demonstrated by yourselves and your peers there would be no sport!!!
Get behind them and see if their enthusiasm for the sport can be infectious.
Sorry Spyda but had to get this said......

[Kickaha]

Shouldn't be a problem as Buckets is a 'self policeing class' according to some senior MNZ members.

If it does become a problem it's Gav who will get a kicking

[gav]

If it does become a problem it's Gav who will get a kicking
Won't affect you Kick, when WAS the last time you raced your bucket?

[Crasherfromwayback]

To the guys like Ian Dawson, Spyda , Billy etc. etc. who give up great amounts of their own time free of charge to develop and foster the sport, bloody well done one and all. Without selfless enthusiasm such as demonstrated by yourselves and your peers there would be no sport!!!
Get behind them and see if their enthusiasm for the sport can be infectious.
Sorry Spyda but had to get this said......

Nobody I've ever met whilst racing over a very long time would disagree with you on that front. Doesn't mean certain people within MNZ shouldn't be given a fucking good serve when they're well out of line.

[gav]

Sorry Billy, but I've never seen this memo you have. As a steward i'm entitled to this information. The one I have dated 22nd Dec is totally different. The one you have I was told was produced at the very last minute, certainly no one told the riders about it. Evidence suggests it was falsely dated. Note the wording "championship starting next weekend." Did I miss round 1 of the championship on Dec 24th/25th as the memo states?
Of course not. If there was an ambush, it was by MNZ intending to beat up the young riders.

Best you scan your memo dated 22nd Dec then and we can have a look at it! :corn:

[Kickaha]

Won't affect you Kick, when WAS the last time you raced your bucket?

Well last time I raced a Bucket was BOB where I Kicked your arse (It may not have been on my own bucket though)

[suzuki21]

The presentation of the OOPS award is a light hearted affair and it's also there to remind us that we're at the track for fun and have a laugh at each other in a SPORTING manner.
Please keep that in mind folks and leave other rants out of this thread.

Onya Spyda, we had a "nice" trip home. missed 2 ferries, 3rd one delayed because it couldnt dock because one was broken down in port. Never mind Im back at work tommorow - 2 days late haha

[oyster]

I'm right with anybody and everone to say a big thanks to those se who roll up their sleeves and get working for our sport. They're volunteers from all walks, all abilities and experience levels.
So often I've tempered peoples discontent by reminding them of this when they have a whine.
There is a "but", and a big "but". Whether a person is hard working, passionate, generous, sincere etc they must still meet a minimum standard of operating with the rules and codes they're administering. Otherwise they create more damage than they're worth. Even worse, their low standards scare good people away, who might otherwise get involved.
The answer? Get appropriate people into these roles and SUPPORT THEM. If you don't, then you'll just get short changed with rabble whose real agenda is to feel important, and who do not consider the rights and welfare of the riders/sport.
Has it always been a problem? In my experience, no. About 5 years ago Johnny Hepburn was the RR Board member for the South Island and Paul Stewart the RR Commission. Happy days of good people practicing open communication of the type "how can we help" Since then it's all been "we're the experts, you're doing it all wrong, get into line or else"