Speed limit changes - or is it just me?

[Bad Biker]

Is it just me or are other people noticing that more and more 80km speed limits are popping up through 100km areas?

I find that as I ride along I am running into a lot more 80km speed areas and in the majority of times these are along a state highway may last anything from a few hundred meters to 4 or 5 km.

There appears to be no warning of entering a reduced speed limit area and 1 speed sign as you enter which is easily missed.

Why is it that a state highway with a 100km speed limit which has been there since NZ changed the max speed limit from 80 to 100km and in some cases was there before the councils gave consent for building to happen along a state highway needs to be lowered when it creates more problems and little additional safety aspects and a stop go scenario on a state highway?

Are the government aiming to returning NZ roads to 80km again in a drip feed format? :confused:

[Zamiam]

I know what you mean. Before long we will spend so much time watching for signs and our speedo that we will need someone with us to watch the road.

[Jantar]

What do mean with "before long"? Its already that way.

[1billyboy]

Yes 80 km from the Thames turnoff to the bottom of the Bombay hill.:bs:

[mrchips]

Before long we will spend so much time watching for signs and our speedo that we will need someone with us to watch the road.

Not to mention double yellows & the 60 km/hr zones appearing overnight.

I used to love driving my car, not these days..... At least on the bike it's fun being able to safely nip past long queues of piled up traffic behind slow drivers. :niceone:

[haydes55]

Question, if a large number of crashes are attributed to speed (as in over the speed limit), then how will reducing the speed limit help? People are crashing from going over the speed limit few crash doing the speed limit. If shit all crashes happen at 100km/h then how do they justify reducing that to 80km/h if the crashes are occurring higher than 100km/h.

[SMOKEU]

http://images.wikia.com/somefake/images/f/f1/Hitler-baby.jpg

[Tigadee]

:Police: Just more traps in order to give out more speeding fines... <_<

[Bad Biker]

Not to mention double yellows & the 60 km/hr zones appearing overnight.

I used to love driving my car, not these days..... At least on the bike it's fun being able to safely nip past long queues of piled up traffic behind slow drivers. :niceone:

I second that!!!!!!!!

Just had a thought!!!! (YES, it does happen)

They can build lanes for cyclists only so why not build lanes for motorcyclists only????

God know we pay more in insurance and registration.

(I didn’t say it was a good thought)

[superman]

:Police: Just more traps in order to give out more speeding fines... <_<

I did that the other day :no:

100 to an 80 about 300m before, on a road that looks the same as the previous 10km, few hundred metres after an overtaking lane.

I was unsafe and deserved my $230, will be paying to the donut fund 56 days after fine. <_<

[davereid]

If your vehicle is 5m long, and you allow 20m stopping distance, the road has a capacity of 40 vehicles per km, per km/hr.

ie at 1 km/hr it has a capacity of 40 vehicles per hour.

at 2 km/hr it has a capacity of 80.

at 80 km/hr it has a capacity of 3200 vehicles per hour, and at 100 it has a 4000 vehicles per hour capacity.

NZTA are funded to fix CONGESTED roads.

The easiest way to congest a road is to reduce the speed limit, then to ban passing.

The clever bit is you can CLAIM that you do it for safety, as there is a small correlation between speed and accident rates.

But to do it, you have to IGNORE the large correlation between traffic density and accident rates.


Thats easy. Its New Zealand. No one can count.

[Fast Eddie]

god damn, whats wrong with just tougher licensing and more driver training etc?

lets give that ago.

I was going between auckland and tauranga and they have 90km "safer speed limits" along the way.. what a drag - I kinda just ignored them like most others I was following

[Scuba_Steve]

:Police: Just more traps in order to give out more speeding fines... <_<

+1 I have mentioned this somewhere else, but my belief is the Govts currently "expanding" their money making net as part of a much larger equation. This includes the lowering of speed to well below reasonable levels in an effort to boost speed scam profits back up

[mrchips]

Thats easy. Its New Zealand. No one can count.

True that, + Sheep have a strong instinct to follow the sheep in front of them.

[Usarka]

According to the pamphlet i received from the police today, it's a myth that bad driving kills, instead it's speed! because speeding is a type of bad driving.

Morans never studied subsets and supersets at intermediate skool.

[SMOKEU]

god damn, whats wrong with just tougher licensing and more driver training etc?



Because that would be politically incorrect. Well, in NZ anyway. Idiots will then complain when they fail that it's their automatic right to drive etc.

[rastuscat]

:Police: Just more traps in order to give out more speeding fines... <_<

Yawn. Same old BS.

[BigAl]

Yawn. Same old BS.

We know you're only saying that because you have to.:Police:

[Scuba_Steve]

Yawn. Same old BS.

Come now RC thats not the attitude, I saw the propaganda "Get better work stories" & here you are ":yawn:". I'm beginning to think those "better work stories" might have been exaggerated...:shifty::laugh:

[Tigadee]

Yawn. Same old BS.

I'm happy for an explanation of why it's slow-fast-slow-fast-slow-fast when it appears not necessary or even safe...

[avgas]

Slower speed limits make the road safer I have been told.
At slower speeds, trees and other inanimate objects are less likely to run in front of incoming traffic.

The other spin on this is that NZ has an aging population, so we must accommodate on NZ roads for them.

[rastuscat]

I'm happy for an explanation of why it's slow-fast-slow-fast-slow-fast when it appears not necessary or even safe...

Interesting question.

A couple of decades ago a piece of Pakuranga Road used to be 50, 70, 50. The 85th percentile was about 65. I was a Popo at the Glen Innes station in those days. TPTB smoothed the speed limits to 60 km/h, and the 85th percentile came down to 62. Significant improvement in crash stats. All good. Mind you, that was when the tolerance was starting to trend now too.

I used to be a Popo on the North Shore too. East Coast Road had a 50 km/h stretch with long driveways leading to the roadside from every house. It was a prime candidate for the limit to go up to 60, but the NSCC wouldn't do it. They liked to have a fairly rigid speed limit set, so people could get their head around it. Basically, if you were out in the country the limit was 100, if you were in built up areas, it was 50.

I moved to Chur Chur about 8 years ago, and found a council with a liberal speed setting regime. Some roads go 50, 60, 70, 50. Largely they are appropriate to the roading environment. We find lots of people (like, heaps) driving in 50 km/h areas thinking they are in 60 km/h areas. They are applying what they know to be a 10 km/h tolerance and can't understand the ticket they got being for 69 in a 50 km/h area. Harper Ave is a classic, as is Fendalton Road.

The signage is there, but people are known to consciously see about 20% of signs. They drive past signs, but because there are so many bloody signs (and various other visual clutter) on our roads, the speed ones just drift past the consciousness. People tend to drive subconsciously. Then feel aggrieved when they get snapped.

Thing is, you get speeding tickets for the speed you are actually doing, not what you think you are doing.

Just some observations.

255000

[Jantar]

......The signage is there, but people are known to consciously see about 20% of signs. They drive past signs, but because there are so many bloody signs (and various other visual clutter) on our roads, the speed ones just drift past the consciousness. ...

This is just so true. With the distances I ride there are many times I find myself wondering just what the speed limit is at the spot I happen to be. Perhaps its because there are too many houses or driveways for it still to be 100, or maybe I'm now on a piece of open road after leaving a town, but I just haven't seen a speed sign. In those cases I go back to first principles to estimate what the speed limit is likely to be and ride accordingly, all the while hoping there's not a cop around the next corner.

There are many reasons why someone may miss seeing a speed sign, and clutter is just one of them. Here in Central Otago there is a 70 kmh sign on Letts Gulley rd that is stuck in the middle of a willow tree, it just isn't possible to see it until you are within 15 meters of it. At that point if you happen to be watching the horse rider on the other side of the road, or any other hazard, then you WILL miss that sign.

[rastuscat]

This is just so true. ..............Here in Central Otago there is a 70 kmh sign on Letts Gulley rd that is stuck in the middle of a willow tree, it just isn't possible to see it until you are within 15 meters of it. At that point if you happen to be watching the horse rider on the other side of the road, or any other hazard, then you WILL miss that sign.

Give the local road controlling authority a call. That might be the local authority, or it might be NZTA. Better yet, PM me the details, and I'll put on my Popo hat and ring them when I'm next at work.

[Tigadee]

Through residential or built-up areas I can understand, but the OP was talking about a state highway and how it goes 100-80-100-80-100...

I think that's rather unfair, confusing and seems deliberate in order to catch people off-guard. And as the former CEO of Telecom once said, "Confusion is a marketing tactic..."

[MSTRS]

Interesting question.

A couple of decades ago a piece of Pakuranga Road used to be 50, 70, 50. The 85th percentile was about 65. I was a Popo at the Glen Innes station in those days. TPTB smoothed the speed limits to 60 km/h, and the 85th percentile came down to 62. Significant improvement in crash stats. All good. Mind you, that was when the tolerance was starting to trend now too.

I used to be a Popo on the North Shore too. East Coast Road had a 50 km/h stretch with long driveways leading to the roadside from every house. It was a prime candidate for the limit to go up to 60, but the NSCC wouldn't do it. They liked to have a fairly rigid speed limit set, so people could get their head around it. Basically, if you were out in the country the limit was 100, if you were in built up areas, it was 50.

I moved to Chur Chur about 8 years ago, and found a council with a liberal speed setting regime. Some roads go 50, 60, 70, 50. Largely they are appropriate to the roading environment. We find lots of people (like, heaps) driving in 50 km/h areas thinking they are in 60 km/h areas. They are applying what they know to be a 10 km/h tolerance and can't understand the ticket they got being for 69 in a 50 km/h area. Harper Ave is a classic, as is Fendalton Road.

The signage is there, but people are known to consciously see about 20% of signs. They drive past signs, but because there are so many bloody signs (and various other visual clutter) on our roads, the speed ones just drift past the consciousness. People tend to drive subconsciously. Then feel aggrieved when they get snapped.

Thing is, you get speeding tickets for the speed you are actually doing, not what you think you are doing.

Just some observations.



All that tells me is that you are one of those cops who just loves to write tickets. You keep moving to areas where the limits are - changeable, shall we say - allow the catching of many more hardened killers.
I hate the eastern bypass in Hamihole mainly because of the ever changing limit. 27 is boring, but then you can take the Tahuna/Ohinewai rd.:love:

[Tigadee]

The signage is there, but people are known to consciously see about 20% of signs. They drive past signs, but because there are so many bloody signs (and various other visual clutter) on our roads, the speed ones just drift past the consciousness. People tend to drive subconsciously. Then feel aggrieved when they get snapped.

I certainly felt aggrieved when I got pulled over in New Plymouth one dark stormy night last winter when I'd arrived from Auckland after 5 hours in the car with wife and kids to go to a conference the next day. I was doing 100kph and then the speed changed to 70kph, with apparently one sign and the policeman caught me just as I was coming from the 100kph into the 70kph zone.

I tried explaining that it was dark, I was unfamiliar with the town and looking for our motel, that we'd just travelled through rain and dark for 5 hours from Auckland and I was apologetic. The policeman while professional was unsympathetic and wrote me a $80 ticket. <_<

[Zamiam]

Glad to know I'm not the only one who sometimes wonders what the speed limit is. I prioritise watching the environment around me for potential hazards including other drivers/riders, kids on the side of the road, animals etc. etc. over reading searching for every sign.

Moved to North of Auckland four months ago and quite often do the Albany highway from Dairy Flat to Albany - it took me four trips to finally spot the 70km/hr to 100km/hr signage just before albany highway coming into dairy flat from Kaukapakapa, hung on the side of a telegraph pole in amongst the other clutter.

[rastuscat]

All that tells me is that you are one of those cops who just loves to write tickets. You keep moving to areas where the limits are - changeable, shall we say - allow the catching of many more hardened killers.
I hate the eastern bypass in Hamihole mainly because of the ever changing limit. 27 is boring, but then you can take the Tahuna/Ohinewai rd.:love:

Yeah, I moved from Auckland to Christchurch in 2003 so I could catch more people speeding.

Good on ya. :weird:

[haydes55]

no one ever cares about the yellow white and blue etc cats eyes meaning left side of the road fire hydrants etc. Seriously I dont know if having these cats eyes has ever helped a single person. Why not change them to different colours to represent the speed limits? An easy way to tell what speed you should be going, e.g. colourless/white=100km/h Red=90km/h blue=80km/h orange 70km/h green=60km/h yellow=50km/h.

[MSTRS]

Won't someone think of the colourblind???
(good idea, otherwise)

[Ender EnZed]

There are many reasons why someone may miss seeing a speed sign, and clutter is just one of them.

I'd say "Failed to look" would account for >99% of instances of people not seeing speed signs.

[haydes55]

Won't someone think of the colourblind???
(good idea, otherwise)

Seems everything that anyone does is offensive to one minority or another haha can't even say the truth without being called racist.

[Berries]

I'm badly colour blind and would fail with the cats eyes thing. Even traffic signals are top, middle and bottom to my eyes.

There is a requirement for speed limit signs to be visible. I know of a few where I think you would be able to defend yourself if you didn't see them and got ticketed. And then with the prevalence of new 80's there is a requirement for repeat signs which is often overlooked. Again, this could be a defence if they aren't erected in accordance with the speed limits and traffic control devices rules. Not had to test my theory yet, but I keep trying.

In the UK a good rule of thumb used to be it was 30mph if there were streetlights. If it was 40 and there were streetlights they put a smaller, 300mm ish speed limit sign on each light. Here the repeater signs are supposed to be about 2 minutes of travel apart which is way too much if you really want people to comply. The better idea would be to have it as either 100km/h if an open road, 50km/h if built up and any other speed limits require small repeater signs ever 200m or so. It would cost, but at least we would all know what the speed limit is. Nothing worse than having to turn around and look at a sign as you go passed to see what the speed limit was and seeing that you were wrong.

[Brian d marge]

Interesting question.

A couple of decades ago a piece of Pakuranga Road used to be 50, 70, 50. The 85th percentile was about 65. I was a Popo at the Glen Innes station in those days. TPTB smoothed the speed limits to 60 km/h, and the 85th percentile came down to 62. Significant improvement in crash stats. All good. Mind you, that was when the tolerance was starting to trend now too.

I used to be a Popo on the North Shore too. East Coast Road had a 50 km/h stretch with long driveways leading to the roadside from every house. It was a prime candidate for the limit to go up to 60, but the NSCC wouldn't do it. They liked to have a fairly rigid speed limit set, so people could get their head around it. Basically, if you were out in the country the limit was 100, if you were in built up areas, it was 50.

I moved to Chur Chur about 8 years ago, and found a council with a liberal speed setting regime. Some roads go 50, 60, 70, 50. Largely they are appropriate to the roading environment. We find lots of people (like, heaps) driving in 50 km/h areas thinking they are in 60 km/h areas. They are applying what they know to be a 10 km/h tolerance and can't understand the ticket they got being for 69 in a 50 km/h area. Harper Ave is a classic, as is Fendalton Road.

The signage is there, but people are known to consciously see about 20% of signs. They drive past signs, but because there are so many bloody signs (and various other visual clutter) on our roads, the speed ones just drift past the consciousness. People tend to drive subconsciously. Then feel aggrieved when they get snapped.

Thing is, you get speeding tickets for the speed you are actually doing, not what you think you are doing.

Just some observations.

255000

and a very nice observation it was to..
as has been discovered by big European think tanks concerned with driving and posted by me many times,
the 80 / 20 rule applies, most people will drives at the speed at which the surroundings make them feel comfortable
20 % won't
try driving in London at 60km/h....its possible just
simple idea here, and Canada and some others have done this
measure the average speed
you could do it, put down the donut, ping a few cars, the average is the speed for that road,
subtract 5 km/h or a fuk up factor, and that's the limit
ping the 20 % that speed or are plain stupid
but no I doubt this will happen, as the cash is a flowin

stephen

[breakaway]

It's very simple. The powers that be are lazy as shit, and putting up a reduced speed sign is significantly easier than providing proper training to drivers.

This way, they can look good to the public.

[Brian d marge]

This driver goes to ONE OH FIVE....donuts will be given freely

Roll on march ......

stephen

[Tigadee]

donuts will be given freely

So you're saying you keep a box of donuts with you just in case?

[jafar]

Yes 80 km from the Thames turnoff to the bottom of the Bombay hill.:bs:

Err , no it isn't, it's 90km from the bottom of the bombay's (pokeno) to the new bit they built a couple of years ago. Then it's 100 km on the new bit, then back down to 90km from the Golf course until you get to the 70km area @ the petrol station, then it goes back up to 90km just past the Red Fox. Then it's 90km to the turnoff. Simple really :bleh:

To their credit, the Waikato council roading people DID advertise this & ask for submissions BEFORE they changed the speed limits. They even produced a map highlighting where all the fatal crashes had been on that stretch of road over a several year period. After reading the map & what they had to say I agree with them that something had to be done. Fixing the road would have been my 1st choice, but at the end of the day it is cheaper to post up new lower limits.
I drive this road often & the parts they have lowered the limit on are in poor condition & in desperate need of replacing. Will that happen?? :no:

[haydes55]

Why not post the speed limit on light poles power lines and those side of road reflectors. just whatever is closest to 100m apart?

[jafar]

Why not post the speed limit on light poles power lines and those side of road reflectors. just whatever is closest to 100m apart?

Because no one would see them , they would be too small for the blind idiots .

They used to paint the speed limits on the road, that didn't work either.:shit:

[haydes55]

Because no one would see them , they would be too small for the blind idiots .

They used to paint the speed limits on the road, that didn't work either.:shit:

Can't colour code shit, can't post shitloads of signs, can't please everyone. Can see why the government takes soooo long to get anything done, have to go see how the albino Muslims feel about the brightness of a stop light before they can change a light bulb.

Maybe a solution for the majority will get the traffic flow at the right speed and the minorities can just follow. The road will effectively be as it is right now so it isn't disadvantaging those with poor eyesight or colour blindness. Merely excluding them from progression haha. :bleh:

(Wont be too long til my eyesight finally craps itself aswell,:pinch:)

[1billyboy]

Err , no it isn't, it's 90km from the bottom of the bombay's (pokeno) to the new bit they built a couple of years ago. Then it's 100 km on the new bit, then back down to 90km from the Golf course until you get to the 70km area @ the petrol station, then it goes back up to 90km just past the Red Fox. Then it's 90km to the turnoff. Simple really :bleh:

To their credit, the Waikato council roading people DID advertise this & ask for submissions BEFORE they changed the speed limits. They even produced a map highlighting where all the fatal crashes had been on that stretch of road over a several year period. After reading the map & what they had to say I agree with them that something had to be done. Fixing the road would have been my 1st choice, but at the end of the day it is cheaper to post up new lower limits.
I drive this road often & the parts they have lowered the limit on are in poor condition & in desperate need of replacing. Will that happen?? :no:

The other day it was all 80 km:eek:

[The Singing Chef]

I was pinged on Peak road, coming from the 100km/h limit to that really long downhill stretch which turns into 80 just as you go over the hill.
I had passed a slow as fuck van whilst going over the top of the hill.

Wham bam thank you maam.

$$ :no:

Owell, I know remember that it is an 80km/h area down there. :doh:

[RDJ]

I believe that the authorities see the frequent changes of speed limits and the not-too-visible signs as a feature not a bug; it's primarily about revenue gathering, safety is used as the justification, and to make the revenue gatherers feel smugly satisfied with their control role.

[rastuscat]

I believe that the authorities see the frequent changes of speed limits and the not-too-visible signs as a feature not a bug; it's primarily about revenue gathering, safety is used as the justification, and to make the revenue gatherers feel smugly satisfied with their control role.

Bro, Monique thinks you're dumb.

[RDJ]

Bro, Monique thinks you're dumb.

I suppose that could be a potential worry if I cared...

[SMOKEU]

I believe that the authorities see the frequent changes of speed limits and the not-too-visible signs as a feature not a bug; it's primarily about revenue gathering, safety is used as the justification, and to make the revenue gatherers feel smugly satisfied with their control role.

That's the main focus of road policing. If the government really cared about our safety they'd make a better effort to educate drivers and train them properly before they're let loose on the roads. Oh wait, that costs money.

[red mermaid]

No it doesn't because those been educated and trained would be made to pay the full cost of that activity....and then all on KB would whinge about the cost of education and training they have to do to get a bike licence and how they have been riding for years and never had a crash and are so very very safe, and its always someone elses fault.


That's the main focus of road policing. If the government really cared about our safety they'd make a better effort to educate drivers and train them properly before they're let loose on the roads. Oh wait, that costs money.

[Kickaha]

That's the main focus of road policing. If the government really cared about our safety they'd make a better effort to educate drivers and train them properly before they're let loose on the roads. Oh wait, that costs money.

If the people driving really cared about their and others safety they make a better effort themselves, it shouldn't be up to the goverment to sort it out for them

[Kickaha]

Bro, Monique thinks you're dumb.

Not just her that thinks that

If it's all about "revenue gathering" how do they explain fines being reduced a few years back, seems as though if they parrot that line about revenue gathering enough people start believing it whether it's true or not

[SMOKEU]

If it's all about "revenue gathering" how do they explain fines being reduced a few years back, seems as though if they parrot that line about revenue gathering enough people start believing it whether it's true or not

Because plenty of people were gathering many thousands of $ worth of fines that they couldn't afford to pay, so the courts had to keep writing off a shitload of fines. If someone is unemployed and gets $10,000 of fines, but only has $2,000 worth of assets then they have no way of paying that money back.

[Kickaha]

Because plenty of people were gathering many thousands of $ worth of fines that they couldn't afford to pay, so the courts had to keep writing off a shitload of fines. If someone is unemployed and gets $10,000 of fines, but only has $2,000 worth of assets then they have no way of paying that money back.

Show me a link to a credible source for that and I might believe it, but I really doubt that was the reason

[Brian d marge]

So you're saying you keep a box of donuts with you just in case?

Donut vouchers , can be redeemed at any donut shop

Stephen

[RDJ]

Not just her that thinks that

If it's all about "revenue gathering" how do they explain fines being reduced a few years back, seems as though if they parrot that line about revenue gathering enough people start believing it whether it's true or not

2 answers:

1. reduce the price and increase the number of 'sales' (in this case the sale is enforced of course) and you generate more revenue. That is the explanation...

2. it certainly can't be all about road safety. Check the University of Adelaide's "Traveling Speed and the Risk of Crash Involvement" upon which most of VicRoads' argument for lower speed limits and the use of speed cameras is based - which rationale has been lifted lock stock and barrel by NZ Govt. (You can find a copy online easily - the 'RARU' report.

Over three quarters of the crashes (table 4.4 in the report) used to justify the need for speed cameras was caused by a road user turning in front of or across the oncoming vehicle. Not caused by allegedly excessive speed on a clear road...

[speedpro]

Not just her that thinks that

If it's all about "revenue gathering" how do they explain fines being reduced a few years back, seems as though if they parrot that line about revenue gathering enough people start believing it whether it's true or not

It worked for "speed kills"

[scumdog]

Bro, Monique thinks you're dumb.


X2

'Puzzletime"...

[Kickaha]

1. reduce the price and increase the number of 'sales' (in this case the sale is enforced of course) and you generate more revenue. That is the explanation...


So after they reduced the price what was the increase in issued tickets?

enforced sale? pretty easy to avoid I have found

[HenryDorsetCase]

Is it just me or are other people noticing that more and more 80km speed limits are popping up through 100km areas?

I find that as I ride along I am running into a lot more 80km speed areas and in the majority of times these are along a state highway may last anything from a few hundred meters to 4 or 5 km.

There appears to be no warning of entering a reduced speed limit area and 1 speed sign as you enter which is easily missed.

Why is it that a state highway with a 100km speed limit which has been there since NZ changed the max speed limit from 80 to 100km and in some cases was there before the councils gave consent for building to happen along a state highway needs to be lowered when it creates more problems and little additional safety aspects and a stop go scenario on a state highway?

Are the government aiming to returning NZ roads to 80km again in a drip feed format? :confused:

Find out what the font is, get a bunch of stickers made up that correct it to 180, and do a mission to correct the incorrect signage: inspiration being the people who corrected the Nazional party posters just before the election.

[HenryDorsetCase]

my business partner got done 71 in a 50 last week. He not happy "but i was in a stream of traffic all doing that speed": its a section of road that is four lanes and separated by median: it should be 60 but of course the revenue generated would be less.

[scumdog]

Because plenty of people were gathering many thousands of $ worth of fines that they couldn't afford to pay, so the courts had to keep writing off a shitload of fines. If someone is unemployed and gets $10,000 of fines, but only has $2,000 worth of assets then they have no way of paying that money back.

So since rego, licence breach etc fines were reduced in $$$ value how is it going to make those who couldn't pay fines suddenly able to afford to pay them???:confused:

All that happens is the loser takes twice as long to get to $10,000 in fines...<_<

[SMOKEU]

So since rego, licence breach etc fines were reduced in $$$ value how is it going to make those who couldn't pay fines suddenly able to afford to pay them???:confused:

All that happens is the loser takes twice as long to get to $10,000 in fines...<_<

They can't, but demerits have increased to stop people from having the opportunity to gather such high numbers of infringements/fines.

[Kickaha]

They can't, but demerits have increased to stop people from having the opportunity to gather such high numbers of infringements/fines.

The kind of people who rack up that much don't care and will drive regardless of demerits

[SMOKEU]

The kind of people who rack up that much don't care and will drive regardless of demerits

Pretty much. Same goes for repeat drunk drivers etc.

[Tigadee]

Donut vouchers , can be redeemed at any donut shop

:eek: Outstanding! :laugh:

[Macontour]

Fixing the road would have been my 1st choice, but at the end of the day it is cheaper to post up new lower limits.
I drive this road often & the parts they have lowered the limit on are in poor condition & in desperate need of replacing. Will that happen?? :no:[/QUOTE]

No, not now that they've "fixed" the problem with lower speeds!!

[RDJ]

So since rego, licence breach etc fines were reduced in $$$ value how is it going to make those who couldn't pay fines suddenly able to afford to pay them???:confused:

All that happens is the loser takes twice as long to get to $10,000 in fines...<_<

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10618385

"Courts axe $95m in unpaid fines...

...The biggest amount in fines accrued - not remitted - by an individual or company so far this financial year is the $12,488 owed by a 25-year-old Auckland man for traffic offences..."

QED.

[oldrider]

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10618385

"Courts axe $95m in unpaid fines...

...The biggest amount in fines accrued - not remitted - by an individual or company so far this financial year is the $12,488 owed by a 25-year-old Auckland man for traffic offences..."

QED.

Meanwhile, honest law-abiding citizens are forced into becoming criminals by disregarding the requirements of law such as registration and warrants of fitness etc in order to get by!

Once you are a criminal the only thing that changes is the degree of criminality and how often you come to the attention of "the authorities"! (Currently measured in $$$$$)

Incremental change in human behaviour is the silent killer that allowed the Nazi party to gain a foothold in Germany and we know now what joy that brought to the world!

Using selected positive incremental change to mask a disproportionate raft of negative incremental change is the oldest trick in the book!

Consecutive governments (irrespective of colour or code) have been doing this to effect control and remove individual freedoms of the people of this country since "government" was introduced!

Yesterdays change is tomorrows norm and gradually the population accepts the changes as the way that things have always been and just get on with life as best they can!

Yes, "State Highway One" could well become totally 80kph or less and double yellow lined from one end to the other!

At the current rate of incremental change ... how long do you think that will take? :facepalm: :bye:

[Scuba_Steve]

Yes, "State Highway One" could well become totally 80kph or less and double yellow lined from one end to the other!


Na reckon they'll skip the yellow paint & go straight for a top to bottom cheese cutter solution on the main roads

[Kickaha]

Meanwhile, honest law-abiding citizens are forced into becoming criminals by disregarding the requirements of law such as registration and warrants of fitness etc in order to get by!

They aren't being forced to do anything, they're making a choice to do it, rego and wof would be $13-15 a week, most people would spend more than that on beer or smokes or other crap they dont need

[oldrider]

They aren't being forced to do anything, they're making a choice to do it, rego and wof would be $13-15 a week, most people would spend more than that on beer or smokes or other crap they dont need

Depends on your perspective, discretionary dollars are not that forthcoming when you have fade out and die end of life plan already in action! :no:

The depreciating purchasing power of the dollar increases with every election but accelerates beyond reason with every change of government! :eek:

Plan for the future and "save! ..... What a lode of bullshit! :nya:

Plan and save for the future so that "they" can get at your money more easily without even having to ask! .... Just tell you it's gone and they want "more", soon! :bye: