It's soooooo unfair (sniffle)

[rastuscat]

Interesting.

One of my troops uses his new SMART device to run checks on every motorbike that goes past when he's at a checkpoint.

More than half of them show as having no WoF, no registration, registration on hold, or the rider having no or the incorrect licence.

There was me thinking all bike riders were law abiding citizens who we cops picked on totally unfairly. Seems it's fair after all.

Troll.

[bogan]

How does he check the rider's license?

Also, maybe the reason rider's can't afford licensing for their bikes is the unfair bit :whistle:

[nzspokes]

Interesting.

One of my troops uses his new SMART device to run checks on every motorbike that goes past when he's at a checkpoint.

More than half of them show as having no WoF, no registration, registration on hold, or the rider having no or the incorrect licence.

There was me thinking all bike riders were law abiding citizens who we cops picked on totally unfairly. Seems it's fair after all.

Troll.

So that means half are legal. To balance that how many cars are legal?

If its so smart why do I get pulled over when im legal?

[MSTRS]

Oh yea...Genghis Khan and the screaming hordes had nothing on today's motorcyclist.

You're assuming the rider at the time is the registered owner. Shame on you...

[Scuba_Steve]

More than half of them show as having no WoF, no registration, registration on hold, or the rider having no or the incorrect licence.

Troll.

So you saw me then did you :innocent:

[HenryDorsetCase]

Interesting.

One of my troops uses his new SMART device to run checks on every motorbike that goes past when he's at a checkpoint.

More than half of them show as having no WoF, no registration, registration on hold, or the rider having no or the incorrect licence.

There was me thinking all bike riders were law abiding citizens who we cops picked on totally unfairly. Seems it's fair after all.

Troll.

So, the gubblemunt have admitted defeat, and turned to electronic aids to make the po-po SMARTer? How's that working out do you think?

Soon, you'll all be in Special Ed, I mean Branch, Yes, Special Branch.

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[oneofsix]

So you saw me then did you :innocent:

And he didn't wave, how rude. :bye:

[MSTRS]

And he didn't wave, how rude. :bye:

I'm sure he did. He probably used the one that has the hand held up, fingers/thumb closed fist-like, and then the index finger extended and repeatedly curled towards the signaller. You know - what your mother did when you were in trouble.
Of course, just like back then, the most effective countermeasure was to rapidly depart the scene...

[oneofsix]

I'm sure he did. He probably used the one that has the hand held up, fingers/thumb closed fist-like, and then the index finger extended and repeatedly curled towards the signaller. You know - what your mother did when you were in trouble.
Of course, just like back then, the most effective countermeasure was to rapidly depart the scene...

My mummy would have denied even knowing what that wave was, I truly suspect she wouldn't have understood it either, but boy she could swing a mean wooden spoon.

[willytheekid]

Interesting.

"One of my troops uses his new SMART device to run checks on every motorbike that goes past when he's at a checkpoint"

There was me thinking all bike riders were law abiding citizens who we cops picked on totally unfairly. Seems it's fair after all.

Troll.

Yeah...not targeting bikes at all...ay :innocent: :laugh:

255315

-Hope you had a Great xmas & new year Rastuscat...and got some riding in!;)

[merv]

Yep and who is paying their ACC if they the un-registered come to grief?

[Scuba_Steve]

Yep and who is paying their ACC if they the un-registered come to grief?

same people who pay if the registered come to grief... Everyone :banana:

[oneofsix]

same people who pay if the registered come to grief... Everyone :banana:

like the same ones that pay for the cyclists and equestrians.
Isn't nice how we have swallowed the whole bikers must pay line. :argh:

[bogan]

Yep and who is paying their ACC if they the un-registered come to grief?

Gareth Morgan? :crazy::pinch::bash:

[merv]

same people who pay if the registered come to grief... Everyone

Ah ha, but dear Nick Smith and his mates based the ACC levy on bikes on the cost to ACC of the "bike" account. If all the evaders were in fact registered, then the cost to the rest of us would be much less.

I have always said I would prefer personal ACC cover that would give me discounts for no claim etc and my own track record would then be the only thing that counts, not that of the crashing fraternity or the non-paying fraternity, nor would I pay multiple for having multiple vehicles.

Rastucat has just confirmed to me how many of the bike community (as in over half) have a disregard for the rest of us.

[Gremlin]

Is this thread gonna be as epic as the last... you made the other one didn't you (yeah yeah, fucked if I can remember what that was).

If so... don't mind me, just a placemarker to say I've been in an epic thread. Personally, I'm over the stupid little tickets, so it's easier to have the bike rego'd and wof'd.

[Edbear]

Ah ha, but dear Nick Smith and his mates based the ACC levy on bikes on the cost to ACC of the "bike" account. If all the evaders were in fact registered, then the cost to the rest of us would be much less.

I have always said I would prefer personal ACC cover that would give me discounts for no claim etc and my own track record would then be the only thing that counts, not that of the crashing fraternity or the non-paying fraternity, nor would I pay multiple for having multiple vehicles.

Rastucat has just confirmed to me how many of the bike community (as in over half) have a disregard for the rest of us.

+1 :brick:

[scumdog]

Sheesh rastus, you stirrer...NOW look at what you've started.

Like fishing at a salmon farm eh:innocent:

[bucket boy]

Yep and who is paying their ACC if they the un-registered come to grief?

Same people that are paying when the offroad bikers crash.

[Scuba_Steve]

Ah ha, but dear Nick Smith and his mates based the ACC levy on bikes on the cost to ACC of the "bike" account. If all the evaders were in fact registered, then the cost to the rest of us would be much less.

I have always said I would prefer personal ACC cover that would give me discounts for no claim etc and my own track record would then be the only thing that counts, not that of the crashing fraternity or the non-paying fraternity, nor would I pay multiple for having multiple vehicles.

Rastucat has just confirmed to me how many of the bike community (as in over half) have a disregard for the rest of us.

1st Correlation does not imply causation, your assumption we'd be paying less if everyone paid :facepalm: (logically yes, real world no)
Personal ACC? your going the wrong way. I don't want to see private insurance I like the ACC idea, 'everyone pays cover for everyone'

As for disregard for the rest? no, I highly doubt it. rebelling against "taking the stick" more likely. But given your view on it & the way people view/argue ACC funding. I'd say the Govts divide & conquer is working quite well

[rastuscat]

Sheesh rastus, you stirrer...NOW look at what you've started.

Like fishing at a salmon farm eh:innocent:

Fiisssssshhhhhhhhhhhh..................let the games begin.............:)

My personal record is a 50 page thread, bring it on..........

[oneofsix]

Gareth Morgan? :crazy::pinch::bash:

He did say he was giving some of the money he made from selling his Kiwisaver business to charity but I had assumed that was paying for Blanket Man's funeral. :innocent:

[oneofsix]

Sheesh rastus, you stirrer...NOW look at what you've started.

Like fishing at a salmon farm eh:innocent:

are you jealous?
Your turn next month?

[HenryDorsetCase]

NO ONE has picked up on the irony of issuing the popo with a device that is SMARTer than they are? no one? c'mon you slackers, have at it.

[HenryDorsetCase]

He did say he was giving some of the money he made from selling his Kiwisaver business to charity but I had assumed that was paying for Blanket Man's funeral. :innocent:

between that and the tardme money he won't need to work another day in his life. And bloody good on him I say.

[rastuscat]

are you jealous?
Your turn next month?

Scummie starts a thread once a month. It may be related to his menstrual cycle. Tee hee.

The only way to check a riders D/L is to stop and confirm the riders ID first, then do the check. It's wrong to assume that the registered person (new term in law, BTW) is riding.

But then, this is KB, and wrong never seems to matter.

[MSTRS]

My personal record is a 50 page thread, bring it on..........

Depends on the post count per page that one has set as their KB preference...;)

[HenryDorsetCase]

Scummie starts a thread once a month. It may be related to his menstrual cycle. Tee hee.

The only way to check a riders D/L is to stop and confirm the riders ID first, then do the check. It's wrong to assume that the registered person (new term in law, BTW) is riding.

But then, this is KB, and wrong never seems to matter.

Source please. Thats rather Orwellian innit?

[rastuscat]

NO ONE has picked up on the irony of issuing the popo with a device that is SMARTer than they are? no one? c'mon you slackers, have at it.

Yeah, my SMART device is smarter than me. Thing is, it can do stuff I can't, but it can't attend crashes, sudden deaths, domestics, shoplifters, yaadee yaadee yaadee.

Sack the Popos, employ lots more machines, then call it the MoT.

[HenryDorsetCase]

Yeah, my SMART device is smarter than me. Thing is, it can do stuff I can't, but it can't attend crashes, sudden deaths, domestics, shoplifters, yaadee yaadee yaadee.

Sack the Popos, employ lots more machines, then call it the MoT.

As long as they have those moustaches, and HQ Holdens painted grey with the blue light on (or was that the po po?) No, MOT were black and white with the blue light yeah?

[MSTRS]

Sack the Popos, employ lots more machines, then call it the MoT.

The people of this country would be much happier too. They'd KNOW which ones to hate...

[HenryDorsetCase]

t it can't attend crashes, sudden deaths, domestics, shoplifters, yaadee yaadee yaadee.



so much for better work stories.... that sounds tedious or awful.

[HenryDorsetCase]

My bet is PD before page 5. Just saying

[oneofsix]

between that and the tardme money he won't need to work another day in his life. And bloody good on him I say.

didn't think he HAD to work after tardme but it allowed him to do some epic bike tours. Wonder if the scheme members will still be offered the discounts on his books? guess not

[MSTRS]

Did G actually profit from TM? It was set up, run and then sold by his son.

[avgas]

Interesting.
One of my troops uses his new SMART device to run checks on every motorbike that goes past when he's at a checkpoint.
More than half of them show as having no WoF, no registration, registration on hold, or the rider having no or the incorrect licence.
There was me thinking all bike riders were law abiding citizens who we cops picked on totally unfairly. Seems it's fair after all.
Troll.
I am just going to chuck it out there.....but perhaps police are not intelligent enough to operate such a technical device.
Troll.

[rastuscat]

Source please. Thats rather Orwellian innit?

The term registered owner was deleted coz the name a vehicle is registered to is not necessarily related to ownership. Lots of people own a vehicle and register it in someone elses name, for legitimate or other reasons. Like, a matt black Nissn Skyline with cut springs, fluffy dice, loud exhaust, tinted windows etc is probably the property of the 18 year old spotty faced irk, rather than his never-even-had-a-parking-ticket mother, to whom the vehicle is registered for insurance purposes.

So the term was changed to registered person to remove the impression that the person to whom a vehicle is registered actually owns it. Source was a legislation change a few months ago.

Reference

http://www.legislation.govt.nz/regulation/public/2011/0079/latest/DLM2938301.html

Just FYI.

I find this answer strangely informative. Must stop that.

[oneofsix]

Did G actually profit from TM? It was set up, run and then sold by his son.

yes. He got a big slice of the pie as his sons bankroller but as I can't find a reference please apply salt as desired.

With Wikipedia blackout had to use other sources. According to the Herald he gave away what he made from trademe

While his son scooped up $200 million in the purchase, Morgan senior netted a share of $47 million, which he donated to charity.

[Scuba_Steve]

Yeah, my SMART device is smarter than me. Thing is, it can do stuff I can't, but it can't attend crashes, sudden deaths, domestics, shoplifters, yaadee yaadee yaadee.


why? do you not let it come along when you attend these things??? or is there some rule preventing it from coming along???

[HenryDorsetCase]

Did G actually profit from TM? It was set up, run and then sold by his son.

IIRC he was an early shareholder (and basically funded it thru the rough patch): printed $45Mill or something out of it. A couple of the staff walked with a few mill each.

[avgas]

Yeah, my SMART device is smarter than me. Thing is, it can do stuff I can't, but it can't attend crashes, sudden deaths, domestics, shoplifters, yaadee yaadee yaadee.
Sack the Popos, employ lots more machines, then call it the MoT.
Quick question. If we did all of this - would you guys actually do police work.
If so - I am all for it. However I fear the reality would be that you would just become "administrators" for the MoT.

[HenryDorsetCase]

The term registered owner was deleted coz the name a vehicle is registered to is not necessarily related to ownership. Lots of people own a vehicle and register it in someone elses name, for legitimate or other reasons. Like, a matt black Nissn Skyline with cut springs, fluffy dice, loud exhaust, tinted windows etc is probably the property of the 18 year old spotty faced irk, rather than his never-even-had-a-parking-ticket mother, to whom the vehicle is registered for insurance purposes.

So the term was changed to registered person to remove the impression that the person to whom a vehicle is registered actually owns it. Source was a legislation change a few months ago.

Reference

http://www.legislation.govt.nz/regulation/public/2011/0079/latest/DLM2938301.html

Just FYI.

I find this answer strangely informative. Must stop that.

actually that does make sense. thanks.

[Katman]

1st Correlation does not imply causation, your assumption we'd be paying less if everyone paid :facepalm: (logically yes, real world no)
Personal ACC? your going the wrong way. I don't want to see private insurance I like the ACC idea, 'everyone pays cover for everyone'

As for disregard for the rest? no, I highly doubt it. rebelling against "taking the stick" more likely. But given your view on it & the way people view/argue ACC funding. I'd say the Govts divide & conquer is working quite well

You're conveniently overlooking the very real possibility of TPTB saying "the ACC levy intake has dropped dramatically so to compensate for that we are going to need to increase the levy again just as dramatically".

[oneofsix]

The term registered owner was deleted coz the name a vehicle is registered to is not necessarily related to ownership. Lots of people own a vehicle and register it in someone elses name, for legitimate or other reasons. Like, a matt black Nissn Skyline with cut springs, fluffy dice, loud exhaust, tinted windows etc is probably the property of the 18 year old spotty faced irk, rather than his never-even-had-a-parking-ticket mother, to whom the vehicle is registered for insurance purposes.

So the term was changed to registered person to remove the impression that the person to whom a vehicle is registered actually owns it. Source was a legislation change a few months ago.

Reference

http://www.legislation.govt.nz/regulation/public/2011/0079/latest/DLM2938301.html

Just FYI.

I find this answer strangely informative. Must stop that.

you are forgiven because you left out the bit that is most important to most people in that it never proved or was allowed to be used as proof of ownership anyhow. Surprised they didn't change way back when Sir Robert Jones had his car registered in his dog's name.

[MSTRS]

The term registered owner was deleted coz the name a vehicle is registered to is not necessarily related to ownership. Lots of people own a vehicle and register it in someone elses name, for legitimate or other reasons. Like, a matt black Nissn Skyline with cut springs, fluffy dice, loud exhaust, tinted windows etc is probably the property of the 18 year old spotty faced irk, rather than his never-even-had-a-parking-ticket mother, to whom the vehicle is registered for insurance purposes.

So the term was changed to registered person to remove the impression that the person to whom a vehicle is registered actually owns it. Source was a legislation change a few months ago.



Bah! Semantics. Fucken PC bullshit. Barring finance owing, the registered 'person' is still the registered 'owner'. Nothing changes. It's not as though the word 'owner' has the same connotations as 'nigger', for instance.
A sensible person would think that the pollies had more important stuff to deal with...but, obviously not. It takes time debating this crap.

[oneofsix]

IIRC he was an early shareholder (and basically funded it thru the rough patch): printed $45Mill or something out of it. A couple of the staff walked with a few mill each.

edited post #38 with the Heralds comments. Seems he gave his profit away.

[James Deuce]

Ohh FFS, we're not allowed to call all cops cunts, despite evidence to the contrary, so you can't call all of us losers based on that kind of sample. Found my stolen bike yet? No, of course not. Lost property isn't a Police matter any more.

Just in case you're feeling picked on, I don't like anyone.

Just so we're clear.

[Scuba_Steve]

You're conveniently overlooking the very real possibility of TPTB saying "the ACC levy intake has dropped dramatically so to compensate for that we are going to need to increase the levy again just as dramatically".

not overlooking just acknowledging that even if everyone paid they'd still say "we need more money so we're upping the cost"
Remember the "deficit" to justify this price rise? & the profit they announced afterwards which was strangely similar to the profit from the year before & the figures shown by the protest.

[superman]

The only way to check a riders D/L is to stop and confirm the riders ID first, then do the check. It's wrong to assume that the registered person (new term in law, BTW) is riding.

My friend has a registered bike with no motorcycle license.

It's funny how often cops pull his mate over on it and ask why the 'registered person' owns a road bike with no license :D

[HenryDorsetCase]

TBH that was the thing that really pissed me off about the ACC levy/rego rise: not that I couldnt afford it, I can, but the blatant fucking lies used to "justify" it. Plus that whisky nosed cunt Nick Smith. Fuck him too. Yes, it's personal.

[Katman]

not overlooking just acknowledging that even if everyone paid they'd still say "we need more money so we're upping the cost"
Remember the "deficit" to justify this price rise? & the profit they announced afterwards which was strangely similar to the profit from the year before & the figures shown by the protest.

The difference being that you are giving them complete justification for a further increase that the general public (once ACC produce figures for the decrease in levy intake) will fully support.

[superman]

Ohh FFS, we're not allowed to call all cops cunts, despite evidence to the contrary, so you can't call all of us losers based on that kind of sample. Found my stolen bike yet? No, of course not. Lost property isn't a Police matter any more.

Just in case you're feeling picked on, I don't like anyone.

Just so we're clear.

+1, being publicly assaulted and having items forcibly stolen off you by youth isn't a Police matter any more either. It's just 'life'.

Well I guess I should be nice and say... the sample of Police I have come across...

[bogan]

Ohh FFS, we're not allowed to call all cops cunts, despite evidence to the contrary, so you can't call all of us losers based on that kind of sample. Found my stolen bike yet? No, of course not. Lost property isn't a Police matter any more.

Just in case you're feeling picked on, I don't like anyone.

Just so we're clear.

:lol: Lazy pricks haven't found my laptop yet either, I'm beginning to think the guy who's sole job it is to find said laptop, is just sitting on his fat arse eating donuts or something.

[HenryDorsetCase]

+1, being publicly assaulted and having items forcibly stolen off you by youth isn't a Police matter any more either. It's just 'life'.

but as soon as you beat them to a bloody pulp, or kill them, THEN they fucking show up. Oh yeah, they're all over that. Just one little stabby stab and they're all like "Oh no, son, you can't be doing that!" I mean really.

[Katman]

TBH that was the thing that really pissed me off about the ACC levy/rego rise: not that I couldnt afford it, I can, but the blatant fucking lies used to "justify" it.

Unfortunately we never adequately discredited those "lies" to the general public. That is why we never got their widespread support.

[superman]

but as soon as you beat them to a bloody pulp, or kill them, THEN they fucking show up. Oh yeah, they're all over that. Just one little stabby stab and they're all like "Oh no, son, you can't be doing that!" I mean really.

As soon as I got to my car I tried finding the little bastards with a vacuum cleaner pipe in hand, funny how much rage boils over you when something like that happens. No doubt I would have been seen as a 'risk to public safety' had I found 'em and 'had my way' :innocent:

[bogan]

Unfortunately we never adequately discredited those "lies" to the general public. That is why we never got their widespread support.

At the risk of seriousness. We had adequate stats and information to discredit the lies, but the publics preconceived notion about how smelly and impolite we are meant most didn't listen. We all try and air out the smell as much as possible I like to think, but a bit more politeness (stupidly fucking loud bike owners I'm looking at you here) never hurts. Its pretty hard to think how much of an ass a biker is when he just picked up your keys that fell out while you were cycling, or helped out when you were having engine trouble or a flat tyre on the road side.

[willytheekid]

Yeah, my SMART device is smarter than me. Thing is, it can do stuff I can't, but it can't attend crashes, sudden deaths, domestics, shoplifters, yaadee yaadee yaadee.

Sack the Popos, employ lots more machines, then call it the MoT.

:shit:...Oh god noooo!!

Please don't!!, you have no idea how hard it was for our design teams to set up the secure channels and network security & routes etc for these bloody things! :angry2:

255323

I liked it better when me and mike at welly dipatch sat around all night on the phone and bitched about the old frax circuits shitting themselfs every 5mins :laugh:...I miss mike :mellow:...but i certainly don't miss looking after your guys new toys and ancient network routes etc :no: (I look after more "important" customers now :laugh:)

Enjoy the toys!...smart they maybe...but stable?...we both know the answer to that! :facepalm:(yeah yeah...were working on it!!...still:pinch:)

[avgas]

Unfortunately we never adequately discredited those "lies" to the general public. That is why we never got their widespread support.
I dunno, some guys did a pretty good job.
Problem we face is who is going to believe some snivelly nosed biker who thinks ACC is wrong.......when their "representives" go out and say everything is fine a dandy?

[sleemanj]

In the interest of pure curiosity rastus, what is this "SMART" device you speak of?

Does it do photo recognition of number plates, so your colleague just point it vaguely in the direction of the plate as the legal rider passes by, or do they punch the numbers in?

Is it being applied unilaterally to all vehicles or just motorcycles?

And if it's saying that more than 50% of the subjects have issues of legality, are more than 50% of the subjects actually getting infringement notices? I'd have thought there'd be a thread here with at least the desired 50 pages of people complaining about getting pinged if that was the case.

[placidfemme]

Interesting.

One of my troops uses his new SMART device to run checks on every motorbike that goes past when he's at a checkpoint.

More than half of them show as having no WoF, no registration, registration on hold, or the rider having no or the incorrect licence.

There was me thinking all bike riders were law abiding citizens who we cops picked on totally unfairly. Seems it's fair after all.

Troll.

:nya: seriously? Targeting a minority... great thing to advertise to build public confidence in the force.

:oi-grr: bad piggy :oi-grr:

[Katman]

I dunno, some guys did a pretty good job.


They may have done a good job of convincing themselves and they may have even done a good job of convincing a large number of other motorcyclists but they certainly didn't do a good job of convincing the public.

[Scuba_Steve]

My bet is PD before page 5. Just saying

Well we made it to page 5, no PD... yet

[HenryDorsetCase]

Unfortunately we never adequately discredited those "lies" to the general public. That is why we never got their widespread support.

Agreed. and I use lies in the term of "statistics manipulated to the point of meaninglessness to "prove" apoint then picked up on by a lazy stupid and gullible media then repeated ad nauseam": its just quicker to type "lies"

[trumpy]

but as soon as you beat them to a bloody pulp, or kill them, THEN they fucking show up. Oh yeah, they're all over that. Just one little stabby stab and they're all like "Oh no, son, you can't be doing that!" I mean really.

.............

[The Singing Chef]

My bet is that they will install micro devices into bikes/cars that carry registration details etc.. and as soon as said rego runs out, then it starts pinging away so that when cops pass you or follow you it will send a notice to their computer so that they can pull you over.

Like that little chip they want to put into your hands.

It's all a freakin conspiracy man...

[avgas]

They may have done a good job of convincing themselves and they may have even done a good job of convincing a large number of other motorcyclists but they certainly didn't do a good job of convincing the public.
With only 35% of the public vote you could argue neither did National.

You know who did convince the public?
- LTSA drunk driving division (Bloody Legend)
- Nek Minit
- some penguin
- The Rena Crew
- God (address : Chch)

So not saying its impossible to get their attention, just saying once we have got it, will it do us any good?

[rastuscat]

In the interest of pure curiosity rastus, what is this "SMART" device you speak of?

Does it do photo recognition of number plates, so your colleague just point it vaguely in the direction of the plate as the legal rider passes by, or do they punch the numbers in?

SMART is a clever acronym for the ticket writing machine we have been issued with. It has a scanner which can scan the barcode on a drivers licence, or on a vehicle reg label. Or you can do manual data entry.

Also we have recently been sent an ANPR car, Automatic Number Plate Recognition vehicle. Thing is, it is broken just now, that's the trouble with new toys.

Just FYI

[nzspokes]

Thing is, it is broken just now, that's the trouble with new toys.

Just FYI

To many skids?

Got stuck at McDonalds?

[Scuba_Steve]

Also we have recently been sent an ANPR car, Automatic Number Plate Recognition vehicle. Thing is, it is broken just now, that's the trouble with new toys.

Just FYI

:Police: But don't worry guys it's not about making money, it's about safety. Somehow magically these devices will save lives :whistle:

[rustic101]

Also we have recently been sent an ANPR car, Automatic Number Plate Recognition vehicle.

Has the Legislation been adjusted for these (ANPR) to be used? My understanding and I could be wrong is that these were for Intelligence purposes only not Road Policing?

At least SMART with reduce the error rate dramatically which will keep PIB happy.

[caspernz]

Has the Legislation been adjusted for these (ANPR) to be used? My understanding and I could be wrong is that these were for Intelligence purposes only not Road Policing?

At least SMART with reduce the error rate dramatically which will keep PIB happy.

Well, as a law abiding citizen I don't have any issue with the Police checking anything at any time. Why should I subsidise all the free-loaders that wanna buck the system?:woohoo::woohoo:

[James Deuce]

Well, as a law abiding citizen I don't have any issue with the Police checking anything at any time. Why should I subsidise all the free-loaders that wanna buck the system?:woohoo::woohoo:

Because the system isn't always right. Similarly the Police should only interface with you when there is provable suspicion that you have done something illegal and chargeable, or you require their services to charge someone else. Anything that deviates from the principal of rule of law is simple tyranny. Kiwis are really good at giving their rights away because someone in authority said it was a good idea.

[rastuscat]

Well we made it to page 5, no PD... yet

Erm.......wotz a PD?

[Oblivion]

As far as I'm concerned, the only thing about a motorcycling that is under the specifications of safety is getting a WOF.

[NONONO]

My bet is that they will install micro devices into bikes/cars that carry registration details etc.. and as soon as said rego runs out, then it starts pinging away so that when cops pass you or follow you it will send a notice to their computer so that they can pull you over.

Like that little chip they want to put into your hands.

It's all a freakin conspiracy man...

Too late mate.
Vehicle Recognition Software has been employed for years.
The police can now capture your plate, see if the registered owner has a license, check infringements, warrants etc, see if the bike has a WOF, is stolen, or dodgy in terms of customization, complies with all current adjustment requirements.
In other places , where insurance is a requirement, this can be checked too. So no longer just being gunned for speed.
All good though eh?

[Brian407]

Well, as a law abiding citizen I don't have any issue with the Police checking anything at any time. Why should I subsidise all the free-loaders that wanna buck the system?:woohoo::woohoo:

+1 from me on that one. Got nothing to hide so why should I fear, and i'm a little sick of paying for fucking IDIOTS that seem to think its their God Given Right to fuck it up for everyone else.

BTW, had a very good lunch meeting today with a couple of Ministers, and not the religeous kind. Changes are on the way sooner than you all think.

[Brian407]

:nya: seriously? Targeting a minority... great thing to advertise to build public confidence in the force.

:oi-grr: bad piggy :oi-grr:

Have you not read the Safer Journeys document. Thats exactly what's happening, and will happen with greater voracity this year, and for good bloody reason. I for one, welcome it. Get used to it.

[rustic101]

+1 from me on that one. Got nothing to hide so why should I fear, and i'm a little sick of paying for fucking IDIOTS that seem to think its their God Given Right to fuck it up for everyone else..

I agree and support what you are saying, but its not us (those legally on the road) its the retards and smart arses that think its ok not to pay their way. 'They tend to find anything to get out of paying. If a device or tool is use for anything other than its purpose that's their ticket (excuse the pun) out..

Personally I'm in favour of chipping vehicles automating the process, allowing Police to be more visible rather than listening to Bull Shit excuses at the side of the road. If you can't afford to drive/ ride, maintain your vehicle and keep compliant (like it or not) then take a bus.

[malfunconz]

Interesting.

One of my troops uses his new SMART device to run checks on every motorbike that goes past when he's at a checkpoint.

More than half of them show as having no WoF, no registration, registration on hold, or the rider having no or the incorrect licence.

There was me thinking all bike riders were law abiding citizens who we cops picked on totally unfairly. Seems it's fair after all.

Troll.

piss off ya whingers , get a rego get a licence get a wof . stop ya bleating ........ guy at bike shop telling me recently how many bikes they repair with no rego or wof ......

[Scuba_Steve]

Well, as a law abiding citizen I don't have any issue with the Police checking anything at any time. Why should I subsidise all the free-loaders that wanna buck the system?:woohoo::woohoo:


+1 from me on that one. Got nothing to hide so why should I fear, and i'm a little sick of paying for fucking IDIOTS that seem to think its their God Given Right to fuck it up for everyone else.

:laugh: you guys will probably be the 1st to get fucked over by these systems as you happily accept another inch of the Govt stick, bend over boys.

FWIW I used to think like that too... I wised up



BTW, had a very good lunch meeting today with a couple of Ministers, and not the religeous kind. Changes are on the way sooner than you all think.

god if your rating on here is anything to go by, then if you had any influence we're all fucked :facepalm:

[rastuscat]

piss off ya whingers , get a rego get a licence get a wof . stop ya bleating

Struggling to understand your position.............can you be clearer?

Funny. Stopped a bloke the other day coz he was on a shitty old bike wearing a helmet, shorts and a t-shirt. Voila, no reg, no WoF and no licence.

:eek5:

[rastuscat]

BTW, had a very good lunch meeting today with a couple of Ministers, and not the religeous kind. Changes are on the way sooner than you all think.

I have no fear at all that Pope Brian Tamaki is going to do anything about motorbikes.

[rastuscat]

:nya: seriously? Targeting a minority... great thing to advertise to build public confidence in the force.

:oi-grr: bad piggy :oi-grr:

Targeted another minority today too. I found a guy who actually stopped at a stop sign, even when there as nothing coming. I dragged him from his car, kissed his feet and promised my first born.

Damn I love people who can understand road signs, and who actually comply. :love:

[Edbear]

Struggling to understand your position.............can you be clearer?

Funny. Stopped a bloke the other day coz he was on a shitty old bike wearing a helmet, shorts and a t-shirt. Voila, no reg, no WoF and no licence.

:eek5:

Well blow me down with a feather! :gob:

[steve_t]

Targeted another minority today too. I found a guy who actually stopped at a stop sign, even when there as nothing coming.

I do believe I may possibly be the only person in Hamiltron that does this. If I'm going to be harassed, I might just stop (or is that not stop?) :scooter::drinkup:

[BMWST?]

:laugh: you guys will probably be the 1st to get fucked over by these systems as you happily accept another inch of the Govt stick, bend over boys.

FWIW I used to think like that too... I wised up



god if your rating on here is anything to go by, then if you had any influence we're all fucked :facepalm:

yes and this is the crux of the problem....some number arent payin rego as a protest about the escalating acc costs and the rather nefarious way it was introduced,whilst some others see this as a cop out and an excuse not to pay and a sure fire way to get further increases or more vigilance on rego .The bikoi was a huge success in my view and i am sure it caused a stir in the ivory towers.
However we still cant see a way forward together,and its only together we will have any traction

[caspernz]

:laugh: you guys will probably be the 1st to get fucked over by these systems as you happily accept another inch of the Govt stick, bend over boys.

FWIW I used to think like that too... I wised up

Oh well, we choose our own way. Mine works for me :2thumbsup

[Kickaha]

Erm.......wotz a PD?

Haven't you donut munchers heard of periodic detention?

[rastuscat]

Haven't you donut munchers heard of periodic detention?

Chortle. Used to sit outside a PD centre waiting for the inevitable disqualified drivers to roll up on Saturday mornings. Ah, them were (and are) the days.

I thought you might have been raising some new, zany, 21st century thing, like Painful Dismemberment.

Ah well, back to the donuts.

[HenryDorsetCase]

+1 from me on that one. Got nothing to hide so why should I fear, and i'm a little sick of paying for fucking IDIOTS that seem to think its their God Given Right to fuck it up for everyone else.

BTW, had a very good lunch meeting today with a couple of Ministers, and not the religeous kind. Changes are on the way sooner than you all think.

Instead of being a big-noting fuckwit, perhaps you could fill us plebs in about the "Changes" on the way sooner than we think.

[blue rider]

+1 from me on that one. Got nothing to hide so why should I fear, and i'm a little sick of paying for fucking IDIOTS that seem to think its their God Given Right to fuck it up for everyone else.

BTW, had a very good lunch meeting today with a couple of Ministers, and not the religeous kind. Changes are on the way sooner than you all think.

They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. Benjamin Franklin

[FJRider]

Instead of being a big-noting fuckwit, perhaps you could fill us plebs in about the "Changes" on the way sooner than we think.

I'm guessing .....

Bigger fines if you get caught for starters ...

More bikes "targeted" at roadside checkpoints ....

Pink stickers issued for non WOF/ Rego vehicles ...

Impounding of vehicles for vehicles 12 (just guessing) months over expirey dates on WOF/Rego ...

Wheel clamps on vehicles under 12 months expirey dates ...

Penalty payments on top of renewal of Rego ... (7 days leeway to renew ... ??? )


Personally ... my view ... I can see a few smug smiles getting wiped off faces ... soon ...

[Brian407]

I'm guessing .....

Bigger fines if you get caught for starters ...

More bikes "targeted" at roadside checkpoints ....

Pink stickers issued for non WOF/ Rego vehicles ...

Impounding of vehicles for vehicles 12 (just guessing) months over expirey dates on WOF/Rego ...

Wheel clamps on vehicles under 12 months expirey dates ...

Penalty payments on top of renewal of Rego ... (7 days leeway to renew ... ??? )


Personally ... my view ... I can see a few smug smiles getting wiped off faces ... soon ...

Thats funny, i didnt see you at the meeting, or was that your 'black bag' on the table..? 'cause you're a shit load closer to the truth than you think.

[nzspokes]

Personally ... my view ... I can see a few smug smiles getting wiped off faces ... soon ...

Which will mean more compliance costs long term.

Speaking of the plate recognition van, why do they have to park the damn thing over the driveway to the only decent bakery in south auck. Owners of the bakery hate it as they lose business as you cant get in the place. guess its handy for the cops. :facepalm:

[ducatilover]

Thats funny, i didnt see you at the meeting, or was that your 'black bag' on the table..? 'cause you're a shit load closer to the truth than you think.

255380 :innocent:

[FJRider]

Which will mean more compliance costs long term.

Speaking of the plate recognition van, why do they have to park the damn thing over the driveway to the only decent bakery in south auck. Owners of the bakery hate it as they lose business as you cant get in the place. guess its handy for the cops. :facepalm:

Correct ...

The Bakery COULD complain to the Police. Obstructing access to a business is against the law ...

[oneofsix]

Correct ...

The Bakery COULD complain to the Police. Obstructing access to a business is against the law ...

yes but why make it so complicated. Parking across a driveway, even your own, is illegal. Then follow it up with obstructing access to the business and a damages for loss of income claim if you want but that is getting nasty and my guess is that if the make donuts they still want the :Police: business.

[oneofsix]

It's sooo unfair. Looks like the boys are out early on SH1. Liked north facing one just before Poplar Ave, Raumati Sth, parked with his lights on full but better still was the south facing one parked across the entrance to Gray St in Pukrua bay.
Funny thing was I actually flashed the one at Poplar Ave because his lights were was blinding before I could see it was a cop. I was then concerned he might give chase and try and do my for excessive use of the high beam. Now wouldn't that have been ironic.
I suppose, as the old saying goes, people in glass house shouldn't throw stones.

[James Deuce]

They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. Benjamin Franklin

Amen. But you will never convince Kiwis that they gave anything up when they allowed random breath testing en masse. The only right we had in regard to the roads was the right to travel unimpeded from point A to point B unless there was justifiable suspicion that you had broken a law. We gave that away. We're about to give away the privilege of chosing our mode of transport.

The primary responsibility of being a citizen is not behaving like a selfish fuckwit. Bit hard to avoid being a selfish fuckwit when even your politicians are openly stealing from you during recessions by repeatedly granting themselves larger than CPI pay rises, when the rest of us haven't kept pace with CPI, to say nothing of the welfare dependant who appear believe that receiving money is a religious experience and a right.

[avgas]

Targeted another minority today too. I found a guy who actually stopped at a stop sign, even when there as nothing coming. I dragged him from his car, kissed his feet and promised my first born.

Damn I love people who can understand road signs, and who actually comply. :love:
We feel the same about cops who know the law and pursue justice.

[avgas]

piss off ya whingers , get a rego get a licence get a wof . stop ya bleating ........ guy at bike shop telling me recently how many bikes they repair with no rego or wof ......
Errrr at a bike shop getting repairs.
No Wof and No Rego.

Perhaps they have no wof and rego due to requiring repairs?
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[MSTRS]

Targeted another minority today too. I found a guy who actually stopped at a stop sign, even when there as nothing coming. I dragged him from his car, kissed his feet and promised my first born.

My bet is that "because he'd seen you (the only other vehicle in sight) and then stopped at the sign as he should, then you figured he was hiding something. And that is why you stopped him - to drink/drug test him, and give his vehicle a roadside wof check"...



Damn I love people who can understand road signs, and who actually comply.

There's more of us than you'd think...but I don't want your love, thanks.

PS I don't always indicate at roundabouts. If I'm the only vehicle on it or near it, then who am I indicating for? The law? :no:

[Scuba_Steve]

Chortle. Used to sit outside a PD centre waiting for the inevitable disqualified drivers to roll up on Saturday mornings. Ah, them were (and are) the days.

I thought you might have been raising some new, zany, 21st century thing, like Painful Dismemberment.

Ah well, back to the donuts.

Na tell ya what we'll make PD Pink Donuts just for you :D

[brendonjw]

We all know how dangerous it is to speed on a straight bit of road hence all the speed cameras on there <_< but whats the fine for crossing/cutting the centerline in corners and how often is that policed (seems to me that most of the accidents over xmas were head on's so someone must have crossed it and its something im actually curious about)

[oneofsix]

We all know how dangerous it is to speed on a straight bit of road because of all the speed cameras on there <_< but whats the fine for crossing/cutting the centerline in corners and how often is that policed (seems to me that most of the accidents over xmas were head on's so someone must have crossed it and its something im actually curious about)

fixed that straight road bit for you. The penalty for crossing the centre line seems pretty obvious as detailed within your brackets and like any enforce it depends on being caught.

[steve_t]

We all know how dangerous it is to speed on a straight bit of road hence all the speed cameras on there <_< but whats the fine for crossing/cutting the centerline in corners and how often is that policed (seems to me that most of the accidents over xmas were head on's so someone must have crossed it and its something im actually curious about)

You obviously missed the entire thread dedicated to centreline crossing idiots that Rastuscat made. It's on here somewhere :sunny:

[red mermaid]

What about the deaths at Kapiti?

They crossed the centre line, and apparently were speeding (which is unfair to pick on) and at the end of passing lanes (which is also unfair to pick on).

[rastuscat]

You obviously missed the entire thread dedicated to centreline crossing idiots that Rastuscat made. It's on here somewhere :sunny:

Yup. It was a fun thread, and I even managed to trawl up a few posters who thought it was okay to cross the centreline when nobody else was coming.

I'll say it again. Driving is by habit, most often subconscious. One day you might subconsciously do something that becomes a big problem when there's a vehicle there that you didn't see.

The massive assumption we all make is that if something is there to see, we'll see it. Dynamic inattention blindness says that actually, not seeing something is very human. It's why so many drivers pull out in front of us even when we are in plain sight.

Ho hum, the thread careers on.

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[Scuba_Steve]

What about the deaths at Kapiti?

They crossed the centre line, and apparently were speeding (which is unfair to pick on) and at the end of passing lanes (which is also unfair to pick on).

end of passing lanes unfair to pick on??? I hate last minute passers, fuckers need to learn to drive. End of passing lane is a merge not a last minute sprint!!!
But I do love seeing the smoke rise from their tires when they realise I'm not allowing them past just cause they're wankers whom don't know how to drive

[Katman]

But I do love seeing the smoke rise from their tires when they realise I'm not allowing them past just cause they're wankers whom don't know how to drive

I would question who the wanker is.

[rastuscat]

If I'm the only vehicle on it or near it, then who am I indicating for?

A legitimate question, MrsTsRsrsrsrsrsrsr.

You are indicating for the vehicle that you, as a human, may not have seen.

If you indicate from habit (just like if you stop at stop signs from habit) it actually won't matter if there is another vehicle there or not. They will see your indicator, even if you haven't seen them. Or in the case of a stop sign, if you stop from habit, you'll stop out of habit, and reduce the chance that there is a vehicle there that you didn't see. Like, you're going to see 99.99999% of them anyway, but you only have to get hit by one to make it onto our crash reports.

So may people hit things they didn't see. You may not be aware of that, but our office deals with the outcomes.

Human error causes most crashes, anecdotally. Of course, you may be so shit hot you're a perfect driver, so don't worry about it.

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[Scuba_Steve]

I would question who the wanker is.

you? (I'm just assuming you don't know how to drive)

[MSTRS]

end of passing lanes unfair to pick on??? I hate last minute passers, fuckers need to learn to drive. End of passing lane is a merge not a last minute sprint!!!
But I do love seeing the smoke rise from their tires when they realise I'm not allowing them past just cause they're wankers whom don't know how to drive

Glad to see you get so much enjoyment out of baiting fellow road users.
I hate those fuckers in the left lane doing 109kph, when I know they'll be back down to 85 within 50m of the passing lane ending. Fuckers need to learn to have some consideration for others. Passing lanes are there to allow motorists to pass slower vehicles...they're not there to allow slower vehicles to speed up.

[MSTRS]

. Of course, you may be so shit hot you're a perfect driver, so don't worry about it.



Close.....

[scumdog]

:Police: But don't worry guys it's not about making money, it's about safety. Somehow magically these devices will save lives :whistle:

And, IF at the end of the day it is all about making miney - who cares???:woohoo:

[oneofsix]

And, IF at the end of the day it is all about making miney - who cares???:woohoo:

mickey will care if you start making it with miney.

by the way, actual more Rastuscat's area, but what has wof, reg or licence to do with bad driving. Suspect this is more about bad reporting but .... it doesn't say they were speeding or cutting corners or anything that other drivers would have been complaining about and yet it is meant to be in response to driver complaints.



Senior Constable Graeme Topping, who is patrolling the two roads, said driver behaviour was not at its best.

Two motorists had been fined for having unwarranted and unregistered cars. Another had his car impounded and was taken into custody after he was found driving while his licence was suspended.

"The deterrent effect of having the marked car here is what we're looking at as well," Mr Topping said.

"This road is not a Manfeild racing track or at motorway standard; people should drive accordingly."

[scumdog]

mickey will care if you start making it with miney.

by the way, actual more Rastuscat's area, but what has wof, reg or licence to do with bad driving. Suspect this is more about bad reporting but .... it doesn't say they were speeding or cutting corners or anything that other drivers would have been complaining about and yet it is meant to be in response to driver complaints.

Not a hard and fast rule BUT I've often noticed: Crappy Car = Crappy Driver.

Pull up somebody for no WOF and/or no Rego and often find driver on 1L, disqualified, has 125 demerits, drunk or whatever, often what draws attention to the no WOF and/or no Rego is the crappy driving - blasting through a stop sign, cutting a blind corner, 70+ km in a 50km area, tail-gating or whatever..

Also often find serious faults with the car when it's stopped (maybe that's why no WOF, ergo no Rego??)

[rastuscat]

mickey will care if you start making it with miney.

by the way, actual more Rastuscat's area, but what has wof, reg or licence to do with bad driving. Suspect this is more about bad reporting but .... it doesn't say they were speeding or cutting corners or anything that other drivers would have been complaining about and yet it is meant to be in response to driver complaints.

Covered the other stuff we do in other threads.

Reg WoF licence etc are more about attitude. Folk who go without are usually making a statement, or lazy.

Thing is, the WoF and reg tickets are divertable. The end user (nice term that) has a choice; get the WoF or reg and the fine gets canned. How's that for revenue collecting? The exceptions are for when the reg or warrant are very old, or the driver/rider calls the officer a ***t. (or other choice expletive).

Off to work now, Bikie Friends. Man, does my wife give me shit for the amount of time I spend talking to my Bikie Friends. Never mind.

[oneofsix]

Covered the other stuff we do in other threads.

Reg WoF licence etc are more about attitude. Folk who go without are usually making a statement, or lazy.

Thing is, the WoF and reg tickets are divertable. The end user (nice term that) has a choice; get the WoF or reg and the fine gets canned. How's that for revenue collecting? The exceptions are for when the reg or warrant are very old, or the driver/rider calls the officer a ***t. (or other choice expletive).

Off to work now, Bikie Friends. Man, does my wife give me shit for the amount of time I spend talking to my Bikie Friends. Never mind.

keep us safe. BTW didn't call it revenue collecting this time as I was more amused by the muddled reporting, pity the picture showed him with the speed gun, now that is revenue collecting lol

[HenryDorsetCase]

my personal view is that the existence of demerit points and fines for the same offence sends a mixed message: If you speed it will cost you money which we will extract from you under penalty of loss of life or liberty. Do the crime, cop the penalty. If the pollies were honest they would scrap demerit points and vigorously enforce the velocity tax aspects of the revenue collection stream. In effect, if you can afford it, and you dont commit other offences (careless, reckless, dangerous) then you can drive as fast as you can afford. Easy peasy. OR you have demerit points. We (NuckSmuth and co) are pinning our flag to the mast, 50km/h is safe, 100km/h is safe, but 51 and 101 are not (because that is the point of speed limits, right: safety?). If that is the case then demerit points make sense: you're unsafe: do it more than the mandated times, lose your liberty or life (because state sanction, at root, comes down to those alternatives: don't kid yourself otherwise). But both, at once? wrong wrong wrong.

Meh, whatever.

[Muppet]

:nya: seriously? Targeting a minority... great thing to advertise to build public confidence in the force.

:oi-grr: bad piggy :oi-grr:

It's the minority that cause all the hassle friend and make our ACC levies and insurance premiums rise. If you want to have a cry :cry: about it then I have a box of tissues in my office! For example, thanks to the people the minority of people who can't make a bike go around a corner on State Highway 75, you will be seeing the Highway Patrol out there in numbers (I was stopped in Tai Tapu last week at a bike specific checkpoint). Thanks to the 40 worst juvenille criminal offenders in Christchurch who are targeted by the Youth Crime Squad, your insurance premiums go up. If your bike doesn't have a reg or wof and you're unlicenced then I hope you get what you deserve. The sooner police have the power to impound vehicles with no reg, wof or insurance the better, just like the poms do, get the trash :bash:off the road I say!

[oneofsix]

It's the minority that cause all the hassle friend and make our ACC levies and insurance premiums rise. If you want to have a cry :cry: about it then I have a box of tissues in my office! For example, thanks to the people the minority of people who can't make a bike go around a corner on State Highway 75, you will be seeing the Highway Patrol out there in numbers (I was stopped in Tai Tapu last week at a bike specific checkpoint). Thanks to the 40 worst juvenille criminal offenders in Christchurch who are targeted by the Youth Crime Squad, your insurance premiums go up. If your bike doesn't have a reg or wof and you're unlicenced then I hope you get what you deserve. The sooner police have the power to impound vehicles with no reg, wof or insurance the better, just like the poms do, get the trash :bash:off the road I say!

Scary coincidence but just read this about a biker down on Tai Tapu
http://www.stuff.co.nz/the-press/news/6287819/Motorcycle-truck-collide-near-Motukarara

But as to that minority that caused the ACC rise they are in the beehive. Look beyond the media hype and political spin.

[HenryDorsetCase]

It's the minority that cause all the hassle friend and make our ACC levies and insurance premiums rise. If you want to have a cry :cry: about it then I have a box of tissues in my office! For example, thanks to the people the minority of people who can't make a bike go around a corner on State Highway 75, you will be seeing the Highway Patrol out there in numbers (I was stopped in Tai Tapu last week at a bike specific checkpoint). Thanks to the 40 worst juvenille criminal offenders in Christchurch who are targeted by the Youth Crime Squad, your insurance premiums go up. If your bike doesn't have a reg or wof and you're unlicenced then I hope you get what you deserve. The sooner police have the power to impound vehicles with no reg, wof or insurance the better, just like the poms do, get the trash :bash:off the road I say!

Oh bullshit. When the law is blatantly, stupidly unfair, it is your duty as a citizen to disobey. I refer of course to ACC levy/registration, which is only a cash grab. I do see some justification for WOF and driver/rider licencing. So driver licence, sure, WOF, no problem, but you can stick your rego up your bum.

[oneofsix]

It's the minority that cause all the hassle friend and make our ACC levies and insurance premiums rise. If you want to have a cry :cry: about it then I have a box of tissues in my office! For example, thanks to the people the minority of people who can't make a bike go around a corner on State Highway 75, you will be seeing the Highway Patrol out there in numbers (I was stopped in Tai Tapu last week at a bike specific checkpoint). Thanks to the 40 worst juvenille criminal offenders in Christchurch who are targeted by the Youth Crime Squad, your insurance premiums go up. If your bike doesn't have a reg or wof and you're unlicenced then I hope you get what you deserve. The sooner police have the power to impound vehicles with no reg, wof or insurance the better, just like the poms do, get the trash :bash:off the road I say!

BTW the reason the Poms have that power is that with no ACC no insurance means no injury cover for the third party. Nothing to do with the NZ taxation situation.

[MSTRS]

Oh bullshit. When the law is blatantly, stupidly unfair, it is your duty as a citizen to disobey. I refer of course to ACC levy/registration, which is only a cash grab. I do see some justification for WOF and driver/rider licencing. So driver licence, sure, WOF, no problem, but you can stick your rego up your bum.

I almost concur. But...
Rego is where the funds come from to cover some aspects of roading and all aspects of injury on those roads. Everyone should pay their way. But no-one should be paying any more than anyone else. Equal rights, equal cover, equal responsibility.

[86GSXR]

I almost concur. But...
Rego is where the funds come from to cover some aspects of roading and all aspects of injury on those roads. Everyone should pay their way. But no-one should be paying any more than anyone else. Equal rights, equal cover, equal responsibility.

Totally agree. Especially when one has more than one bike. And cyclists of course.........

[oneofsix]

I almost concur. But...
Rego is where the funds come from to cover some aspects of roading and all aspects of injury on those roads. Everyone should pay their way. But no-one should be paying any more than anyone else. Equal rights, equal cover, equal responsibility.

slight error. Rego doesn't cover "all aspects of injury on those roads", some is also built into fuel costs.
Agreed they lost the idea that other users benefit from our choice to ride and therefore, as the benefit is spread so too should the cost be. Over simplified but the intelligent will get the idea.

[Brian407]

slight error. Rego doesn't cover "all aspects of injury on those roads", some is also built into fuel costs.
Agreed they lost the idea that other users benefit from our choice to ride and therefore, as the benefit is spread so too should the cost be. Over simplified but the intelligent will get the idea.

Ha, wota joke. There's only three intellegent people here. Two are at work and I've just come back from a meeting. The rest have proved beyond a shadow of doubt that they're brain dead and incapable of seeing, or having any logic or common sense. The only idea those fuckwits will 'get' is that civil disobedience, and blaming everybody else for their problems is the answer.

Yeah, good luck with that.

Gotta catch a plane home shortly, and then going fishing for the weekend, so see ya next week.

[MSTRS]

I did forget the fuel. Fair call.
But, a thought. Those that don't bother with expensive inconveniences such as rego may also be amongst those who do 'drive offs'...

[superman]

I think speeding fines should be tax deductible charity donations! :innocent: Choose a charity and donate. Policing should really focus on demerits. Monetary fines are so vague, $230 means nothing to some people and loads to others.

[ducatilover]

Not a hard and fast rule BUT I've often noticed: Crappy Car = Crappy Driver.

Pull up somebody for no WOF and/or no Rego and often find driver on 1L, disqualified, has 125 demerits, drunk or whatever, often what draws attention to the no WOF and/or no Rego is the crappy driving - blasting through a stop sign, cutting a blind corner, 70+ km in a 50km area, tail-gating or whatever..

Also often find serious faults with the car when it's stopped (maybe that's why no WOF, ergo no Rego??)

<_< It's true, I drive a shitheap (money = bikes, fuck the cars) and I killed 17 young girls (only two were white) yesterday.

I don't think there's much of a correlation between car shitheapness and driving ability. My car is a throbbing turd and I am the most beige driver, not a dangerous lunatic.







Honest.




Donut mongers.

[bogan]

Ha, wota joke. There's only three intellegent people here. Two are at work and I've just come back from a meeting.

So where is the third?


<_< It's true, I drive a shitheap (money = bikes, fuck the cars) and I killed 17 young girls (only two were white) yesterday.

I don't think there's much of a correlation between car shitheapness and driving ability. My car is a throbbing turd and I am the most beige driver, not a dangerous lunatic.

This is what comes from minority targeting, cop sees shitheap, runs it through his smart thingy, car is fine, he forgets about it, next 8 shitheaps the same, number 9 is non compliant so he takes time to pull him over, gives him tickets, and settles back for a nice donut. Endorphines etc released by the donut mean number 9 is the only one he remembers, ergo, all shitheap cars are uncompliant! Because he isn't part of the minority being targeted, he doesn't see the other side to it, pretty much what we get hit with as bikers too.

[nzspokes]

The sooner police have the power to impound vehicles with no reg, wof or insurance the better, just like the poms do, get the trash :bash:off the road I say!

Due to this how many offenders fail to stop?

[ducatilover]

Ha, wota joke. There are only three intellegent people here. .
You're not one are you Brian?




This is what comes from minority targeting, cop sees shitheap, runs it through his smart thingy, car is fine, he forgets about it, next 8 shitheaps the same, number 9 is non compliant so he takes time to pull him over, gives him tickets, and settles back for a nice donut. Endorphines etc released by the donut mean number 9 is the only one he remembers, ergo, all shitheap cars are uncompliant! Because he isn't part of the minority being targeted, he doesn't see the other side to it, pretty much what we get hit with as bikers too.
It's a bit silly, I know a chap who has some beaut cars and has never reg'd a car in his life... he's never been caught and is also getting on in years.
Thankfully I have an uber beige shitheap and don't tend to get troubled at the nana speeds I go.

[HenryDorsetCase]

I almost concur. But...
Rego is where the funds come from to cover some aspects of roading and all aspects of injury on those roads. Everyone should pay their way. But no-one should be paying any more than anyone else. Equal rights, equal cover, equal responsibility.

which is of course the point of ACC, and the fundamental basis of the woodhouse report upon which it was based. Its the death of a thousand cuts aspect that pisses me off.

And as a practical solution to your objection, add ACC levy to petrol and diesel cost: bingo INSTANT user pays in proportion to use. Then registration reverts to what it actually is for: ensuring roadworthiness of vehicles and drivers.

Not to re-hash the points I argued in the various ACC threads....

[HenryDorsetCase]

Ha, wota joke. There's only three intellegent people here. Two are at work and I've just come back from a meeting. The rest have proved beyond a shadow of doubt that they're brain dead and incapable of seeing, or having any logic or common sense. The only idea those fuckwits will 'get' is that civil disobedience, and blaming everybody else for their problems is the answer.

Yeah, good luck with that.

Gotta catch a plane home shortly, and then going fishing for the weekend, so see ya next week.

re your lunch with the munsters yesterday: It doesnt count if you were filling their wineglasses and putting plates down in front of them and then taking it away after they'd snouted the trough for a while. I'm just saying.

[bogan]

It's a bit silly, I know a chap who has some beaut cars and has never reg'd a car in his life... he's never been caught and is also getting on in years.
Thankfully I have an uber beige shitheap and don't tend to get troubled at the nana speeds I go.

Yeh, I just wash all the cobwebs and dust off the van before using it if I have to, worked so far!

[placidfemme]

It's the minority that cause all the hassle friend and make our ACC levies and insurance premiums rise. If you want to have a cry :cry: about it then I have a box of tissues in my office! For example, thanks to the people the minority of people who can't make a bike go around a corner on State Highway 75, you will be seeing the Highway Patrol out there in numbers (I was stopped in Tai Tapu last week at a bike specific checkpoint). Thanks to the 40 worst juvenille criminal offenders in Christchurch who are targeted by the Youth Crime Squad, your insurance premiums go up. If your bike doesn't have a reg or wof and you're unlicenced then I hope you get what you deserve. The sooner police have the power to impound vehicles with no reg, wof or insurance the better, just like the poms do, get the trash :bash:off the road I say!

How did anything I say indicate I was having a cry? I'm not affected by this in any way. Every vehicle I have ever owned has always been WOF'd, Rego'd and Fully insured.

My point was that it is rather dumb for a cop to brag on a biking website that they deliberatley target bikes. It would be the same as a cop parking somewhere in Otara and telling locals at the dairy he is targeting blacks. Simply stupid and regardless of whether or not the targeting is justified, the NZ Police has a bad enough rep in regards to traffic fines etc, and this type of publicity does not help. Simple as that.

[MSTRS]

But it IS nice to have confirmation that we're not paranoid...

[Nzpure]

Trollolololol:yes:

[Scuba_Steve]

Ha, what a joke. There's only three unintellegent people here. Two are at work and I've just come back from a meeting. The rest have proved beyond a shadow of doubt that they're brainy and capable of logic or common sense.

Your grammars doing good but your spelling could be improved, you must learn the meanings of words and use them where correct.
I have highlighted in red a few places you went wrong, keep practising and you'll get it right eventually. Otherwise good work C+

[oneofsix]

Ha, wota joke. There's only three intellegent people here. Two are at work and I've just come back from a meeting. The rest have proved beyond a shadow of doubt that they're brain dead and incapable of seeing, or having any logic or common sense. The only idea those fuckwits will 'get' is that civil disobedience, and blaming everybody else for their problems is the answer.

Yeah, good luck with that.

Gotta catch a plane home shortly, and then going fishing for the weekend, so see ya next week.

well you didn't make the cut so i don't hold out much hope for the other two you nominated.

[ducatilover]

Your grammar's doing good but your spelling could be improved, you must learn the meanings of words and use them where correct.
I have highlighted in red a few places you went wrong, keep practising and you'll get it right eventually. Otherwise good work C+
I'm sure that's a contraction... :sweatdrop

[Drew]

Innit a pity, the five oh didn't have this smart thing before the reg costs went up. To give us a comparison as to how many more people are failing to register their bikes now.

I like the way, Rastuscat, that you are proud of what you're doing.

Can you not see the long game and the only way it can turn out? Penalties go up, so more of us run. Of the ones that don't run, some will get their bikes legal dispite the increased (unjustified) hikes in cost, the rest will say "fuck it". and give up riding altogether.

So, per rider on the roads, the percentage of runners goes up...LOTS.

Bikers are then seriously frowned apon by the general public, and the only cunts left riding bikes are the stupidly wealthy, and criminals.

By the way, I'll be a criminal. Catch me if ya can fuckers!

[Drew]

Ha, wota joke. There's only three intellegent people here. Two are at work and I've just come back from a meeting. The rest have proved beyond a shadow of doubt that they're brain dead and incapable of seeing, or having any logic or common sense. The only idea those fuckwits will 'get' is that civil disobedience, and blaming everybody else for their problems is the answer.

Yeah, good luck with that.

Gotta catch a plane home shortly, and then going fishing for the weekend, so see ya next week.From what you've written, you're the fuckin joke dickhead.

You a product of your father fuckin his sister or what?

[oneofsix]

Innit a pity, the five oh didn't have this smart thing before the reg costs went up. To give us a comparison as to how many more people are failing to register their bikes now.


They know how many more bikes have reg on hold, how many bikes are sold and how many are cancelled (written-off). They know the number of active regos have dropped for the number of bikes out there. Therefore they don't need the cops to tell them how many unrego'd bikes are on the road, they need them to have the fancy gear to try to force us into compliance or compliant obedance
Run Drew, run.

[Drew]

Run Drew, run.I do, and will.

[oneofsix]

rastuscat is going to have to get one of those smart phone things, he is missing all the fun whilst he is at work. I am sure he could manage to eat donuts and post too. :innocent:

[Drew]

rastuscat is going to have to get one of those smart phone things, he is missing all the fun whilst he is at work. I am sure he could manage to eat donuts and post too. :innocent:I'm sure he prefers to read a bunch of posts at once, rather than drips and drabs. I know I do when I'm trolling for a bite or seven.

[Scuba_Steve]

rastuscat is going to have to get one of those smart phone things, he is missing all the fun whilst he is at work. I am sure he could manage to eat donuts and post too. :innocent:

A smart phone to go with his SMART device?, he might start feeling a bit dumb with all these smart things round... As long as he keeps away from the smart car he won't be that dumb

Tho mentioning the smart car, makes you wonder if "smart" isn't one of these "trend" words like "ill", "bad", "sick", "dope" to mean the opposite of what they imply?

[MSTRS]

rastuscat is going to have to get one of those smart phone things, he is missing all the fun whilst he is at work. I am sure he could manage to eat donuts and post too. :innocent:


Everybody knows the average rozzer can't multitask. They have enough trouble just catching a miscreant and writing out a ticket. I should say 'scribble out'...
Ever been 'having a chat' with one and someone goes past at a rate of knots (say)? Notice how when you point it out, the cop says he's dealing with you and he'll catch him another time?

[oneofsix]

A smart phone to go with his SMART device?, he might start feeling a bit dumb with all these smart things round... As long as he keeps away from the smart car he won't be that dumb

Tho mentioning the smart car, makes you wonder if "smart" isn't one of these "trend" words like "ill", "bad", "sick", "dope" to mean the opposite of what they imply?

When marketing use a term like smart or good then you know they are trying to cover up the opposite. When a tech company use it you know its just a bunch of initials (Semi-Mobile Accurate Reading Technology for example) and marketing have had a play to try and make it sound good.

Anyhow he should be safe until they come up with a donut munching device that can write tax invoices, sorry tickets.

[rustic101]

A question was asked earlier in the thread what is a SMART DEVICE?
It appears not to have been answered.

The acronym SMART stands for - Secure Mobile Access and Reporting Technology

[MSTRS]

Senior Management Are Rating Tickets
S M A Running Things
S M A Raving Tossers

Slimey Mongrels Are Really Trying

Maybe we could have a competition??

[rustic101]

Sanctimonious Muppets Are Rodgering Travellers :Punk:

[ducatilover]

Smoothly Moderated Anal Reaming Tool.

[placidfemme]

Smoothly Moderated Anal Reaming Tool.

:yes::yes::yes::yes::yes::yes:

[baffa]

I'm keepin an eye on the papers for the inevitable reports of cops trying to pull over an unlicensed biker, only for them to pull a runner at insane speeds, smash into a car, put themselves in a wheelchair, and owe some innocent party thousands in damage, that of course insurance doesnt cover.

None of us like the rego increases, and most of us wont agree on the reasons behind it, but the only chance bikers have in making a change is being a united front. Half our number not registering their bikes and pulling runners is only going to make us all look bad.

You dont like the law? I hear Australia is lovely this time of year.

[bikaholic]

Ha, wota joke. There's only three intellegent people here. Two are at work and I've just come back from a meeting. The rest have proved beyond a shadow of doubt that they're brain dead and incapable of seeing, or having any logic or common sense. The only idea those fuckwits will 'get' is that civil disobedience, and blaming everybody else for their problems is the answer.

Yeah, good luck with that.

Gotta catch a plane home shortly, and then going fishing for the weekend, so see ya next week.How do you spell intelligent, dickhead, stay in Wellington increase the IQ of both Islands.

[rastuscat]

Just reading the thread, it's bouncing about in fifty directions, but mentions the ACC thing at times.

Quite a few assumptions have been made about me and my work. Here's a wee insight.

I stopped my first vehicle of the day, he ran a stop sign after I sat there waiting for someone to run a stop sign. He turned out to be a suspended driver, after he had given me his fully licenced mates name and address. Charges laid, car impounded.

I was cheesed off, as the paperwork involved in that was tedious, as ever.

Next job (just finished it), I heard Comms calling for someone to attend a car being pinched from a suburb a couple over from where I was. Being on a Popo bike, I got there fairly quickly. I have now spent 3 hours dealing with a smarmy young offender, haven't recovered the car yet, but have done a video interview and taken a DNA sample. The paperwork from the first job is looking way more attractive, as I now have to fell a tree to sort the stolen car mess out.

I love my job for the variety, so despite what some think, I'm not on a power rush, I don't get a hit from exerting my authority, I don't give a toss about the fines from the tickets I can write. Not a jot.

Hi ho, have at that then.

[red mermaid]

Hey cut that out Rastuscat, according to the KB experts who have heard it from a mate who has a cousin who knew a cop, traffic never arrest people or deal with real criminals.

[Edbear]

Just reading the thread, it's bouncing about in fifty directions, but mentions the ACC thing at times.

Quite a few assumptions have been made about me and my work. Here's a wee insight.

I stopped my first vehicle of the day, he ran a stop sign after I sat there waiting for someone to run a stop sign. He turned out to be a suspended driver, after he had given me his fully licenced mates name and address. Charges laid, car impounded.

I was cheesed off, as the paperwork involved in that was tedious, as ever.

Next job (just finished it), I heard Comms calling for someone to attend a car being pinched from a suburb a couple over from where I was. Being on a Popo bike, I got there fairly quickly. I have now spent 3 hours dealing with a smarmy young offender, haven't recovered the car yet, but have done a video interview and taken a DNA sample. The paperwork from the first job is looking way more attractive, as I now have to fell a tree to sort the stolen car mess out.

I love my job for the variety, so despite what some think, I'm not on a power rush, I don't get a hit from exerting my authority, I don't give a toss about the fines from the tickets I can write. Not a jot.

Hi ho, have at that then.

I know what you're trying to do, you're trying to tell us you actually catch people who should not be driving or riding and criminals... :yes:

Like that will go down well on here... :bye:

[Drew]

Just reading the thread, it's bouncing about in fifty directions, but mentions the ACC thing at times.

Quite a few assumptions have been made about me and my work. Here's a wee insight.

I stopped my first vehicle of the day, he ran a stop sign after I sat there waiting for someone to run a stop sign. He turned out to be a suspended driver, after he had given me his fully licenced mates name and address. Charges laid, car impounded.

I was cheesed off, as the paperwork involved in that was tedious, as ever.

Next job (just finished it), I heard Comms calling for someone to attend a car being pinched from a suburb a couple over from where I was. Being on a Popo bike, I got there fairly quickly. I have now spent 3 hours dealing with a smarmy young offender, haven't recovered the car yet, but have done a video interview and taken a DNA sample. The paperwork from the first job is looking way more attractive, as I now have to fell a tree to sort the stolen car mess out.

I love my job for the variety, so despite what some think, I'm not on a power rush, I don't get a hit from exerting my authority, I don't give a toss about the fines from the tickets I can write. Not a jot.

Hi ho, have at that then.Wow, that really is a great work story.

Was the point of it to try and get us, to identify that you have bad days too?

I don't know you, and have never met you, but the attitude you display on here leads me to believe you are one of the brainwashed idiot masses, the police college spits out annually.

[HenryDorsetCase]

Wow, that really is a great work story.

Was the point of it to try and get us, to identify that you have bad days too?

I don't know you, and have never met you, but the attitude you display on here leads me to believe you are one of the brainwashed idiot masses, the police college spits out annually.

I'd buy him a beer. I'd buy anyone who does that job (or is a paramedic or firefighter) a beer. Dealing with fucking lowlives, day in day out: not my idea of a good time.

[James Deuce]

I know what you're trying to do, you're trying to tell us you actually catch people who should not be driving or riding and criminals... :yes:

Like that will go down well on here... :bye:

It is utterly immoral to to interrogate the entire population on the off chance one of them may dob themselves in. It is the primary justification used for the establisment of every police state in history. Contrary to popular Police opinion, all people aren't scumbags waiting to happen.

It is NOT OK to change laws to simply assume that the whole populace is guilty and therefore desrves the indignity of being treated like a criminal every time they interface with the Police.

[Berg]

Just reading the thread, it's bouncing about in fifty directions, but mentions the ACC thing at times.

Quite a few assumptions have been made about me and my work. Here's a wee insight.

I stopped my first vehicle of the day, he ran a stop sign after I sat there waiting for someone to run a stop sign. He turned out to be a suspended driver, after he had given me his fully licenced mates name and address. Charges laid, car impounded.

I was cheesed off, as the paperwork involved in that was tedious, as ever.

Next job (just finished it), I heard Comms calling for someone to attend a car being pinched from a suburb a couple over from where I was. Being on a Popo bike, I got there fairly quickly. I have now spent 3 hours dealing with a smarmy young offender, haven't recovered the car yet, but have done a video interview and taken a DNA sample. The paperwork from the first job is looking way more attractive, as I now have to fell a tree to sort the stolen car mess out.

I love my job for the variety, so despite what some think, I'm not on a power rush, I don't get a hit from exerting my authority, I don't give a toss about the fines from the tickets I can write. Not a jot.

Hi ho, have at that then.
Love ya work. My day included assisting in tracking down a car thief, interviewing somebody who had supplied false details when stopped in the past, parking up a truck who was dropping rubbish all over the road, upsetting a driver who was towing a trailer at 100km in the two lane bit but slowed to 90 when it narrowed to single lane plus doing all my usual stuff.
Like you, I don't give a shit about the finicial side of what I do. For me, its safety all the way

[Scuba_Steve]

How do you spell intelligent, dickhead, stay in Wellington increase the IQ of both Islands.

Oi You can keep him, we don't want him up here neither


Just reading the thread, it's bouncing about in fifty directions, but mentions the ACC thing at times.

Quite a few assumptions have been made about me and my work. Here's a wee insight.

I stopped my first vehicle of the day, he ran a stop sign after I sat there waiting for someone to run a stop sign. He turned out to be a suspended driver, after he had given me his fully licenced mates name and address. Charges laid, car impounded.

I was cheesed off, as the paperwork involved in that was tedious, as ever.

Next job (just finished it), I heard Comms calling for someone to attend a car being pinched from a suburb a couple over from where I was. Being on a Popo bike, I got there fairly quickly. I have now spent 3 hours dealing with a smarmy young offender, haven't recovered the car yet, but have done a video interview and taken a DNA sample. The paperwork from the first job is looking way more attractive, as I now have to fell a tree to sort the stolen car mess out.

I love my job for the variety, so despite what some think, I'm not on a power rush, I don't get a hit from exerting my authority, I don't give a toss about the fines from the tickets I can write. Not a jot.

Hi ho, have at that then.

Only 2 jobs??? musta been alota donut eating time :D


For me, its safety all the way

So no speed scams or rego checks from you then?

[Kickaha]

Contrary to popular Police opinion, all people aren't scumbags waiting to happen.

Oi, that opinion isn't just that of the police

[Berg]

Oi You can keep him, we don't want him up here neither



Only 2 jobs??? musta been alota donut eating time :D



So no speed scams or rego checks from you then?
Put four trucks off the road this week for dumping oil on the road. Being a biker that should be a safety issue you can relate to

[Edbear]

It is utterly immoral to to interrogate the entire population on the off chance one of them may dob theselves in. It is the primary justification used for the establisment of every police state in history. Contrary to popular Police opinion, all people aren't scumbags waiting to happen.

It is NOT OK to change laws to simply assume that the whole populace is guilty and therefore desrves the indignity of being treated like a criminal every time they interface with the Police.

Have you ever been on patrol? Do you perhaps not think that those who are actually out there doing the job every day, who have been doing it for years, might just know a bit about it? Like any profession you can name, the ones doing the job are surely in the best position to know what works.

I know people on the Dole who can tell you just how to make lots of money. I know a lot of people who know better than any qualified professional in any field. Always, they have no qualifications or experience in that profession.

Everyone here can tell us exactly what is wrong with the Law, the Govt. the health service, the IRD, the Police... Funny how nobody qualified and experienced is as vocal or angry as those who are not.

Notice it is the lawbreakers who are most vocal on their condemnation of the Law? The only time I have ever been "treated like a criminal" in my interactions with the Police is to have been given a ticket for speeding. Even then the officer was polite and courteous. Every other time such as at a checkpoint I have been treated in a friendly and courteous manner. Maybe the fact that I was not breaking the law made a difference?

Off topic a bit but it is the same when drugs are being discussed. It is the heavy, addicted users who are the angry, defensive and abusive ones.

If anyone doesn't like the way things are you know you have two choices. Leave or engage in the process for change. Most however far prefer to get on their high horses and loudly condemn from the place of ignorance, ( not knowing from research, qualification and experience), and defending their "right" to break any law they don't like with impunity.

[Scuba_Steve]

Put four trucks off the road this week for dumping oil on the road. Being a biker that should be a safety issue you can relate to

don't get me wrong, any effort put into actual policing (greater community) I applaud & appreciate, it's the effort put into scamming, extorting & making money for the Govt I detest.

So if in-fact all you do is for safety & the greater good then :clap::drinknsin. If however most your time is actually spent running speed scams, rego checks & the likes then :tugger:

[rastuscat]

I don't know you, and have never met you, but the attitude you display on here leads me to believe you are one of the brainwashed idiot masses, the police college spits out annually.

Gosh, thanks.

Rastus.

[Kickaha]

Gosh, thanks.

Rastus.

Don't mind Drew, he's a fucking dick :finger:

[rastuscat]

Don't mind Drew, he's a fucking dick :finger:

Gosh, thanks

Rastus

[rastuscat]

don't get me wrong, any effort put into actual policing (greater community) I applaud & appreciate, it's the effort put into scamming, extorting & making money for the Govt I detest.

So if in-fact all you do is for safety & the greater good then :clap::drinknsin. If however most your time is actually spent running speed scams, rego checks & the likes then :tugger:

Not sure that many of us turn up each day to run speed and rego scams.

I've never met a cop who has gained one red cent from tickets. But apparently they are out there, coz we are all guilty of revenue collecting. Or so I keep reading on here.

Still, "actual policing", now, there's a term I haven't seen before. I get told to be a real policeman quite often, but not an actual one.

For the record, the traffic unit in Christchurch spends approximately 40% of it's time on non road policing things.

Just FYI.

[Kickaha]

Gosh, thanks

Rastus

You're welcome, what address should we send the donuts to?

[baptist]

To many skids?

Got stuck at McDonalds?

Maybe the weight of all the doughnuts buggered the suspension...:facepalm:

Interesting thread and I have to say I have had dealings with cops some of whom have been fair and some who have been total toss pots... but that's life all sorts of people work in all sorts of jobs. Over the last couple of weeks though I have to say that the only Government agency that had been prepared to help a client I am working with has been the Police... Agencies that should have helped have been to say the least a waste of space, the cops however have been supportive and bloody good buggers so +1 to them:Police::clap::clap::clap: ...

Cripes I just wrote something in support of the cops ... I will hang up my leathers in shame right now :innocent::innocent:

[scumdog]

Wow, that really is a great work story.

Was the point of it to try and get us, to identify that you have bad days too?

I don't know you, and have never met you, but the attitude you display on here leads me to believe you are one of the brainwashed idiot masses, the police college spits out annually.

'Drew is capable of better than this, he must try harder if he is to stay in this class, a disappointing effort for a years work'

[scumdog]

I'd buy him a beer. I'd buy anyone who does that job (or is a paramedic or firefighter) a beer. Dealing with fucking lowlives, day in day out: not my idea of a good time.

Are you talking about when he's logged onto KB??...or his job?:blink:

[Drew]

Notice it is the lawbreakers who are most vocal on their condemnation of the Law? The only time I have ever been "treated like a criminal" in my interactions with the Police is to have been given a ticket for speeding. Even then the officer was polite and courteous. Every other time such as at a checkpoint I have been treated in a friendly and courteous manner. Maybe the fact that I was not breaking the law made a difference?
.And who was it that started this thread? (To what end I really can't imagine). EVERY CUNT on here is a hypocrite, and some are even so fuckin ignorant they don't realise they are.


'Drew is capable of better than this, he must try harder if he is to stay in this class, a disappointing effort for a years work'I'm a bit tired today, will try harder tomorrow.

[HenryDorsetCase]

I've never met a cop who has gained one red cent from tickets. But apparently they are out there, coz we are all guilty of revenue collecting. Or so I keep reading on here.



the only point that needs to be made in response to that is that just because the people (esp at the coalface of the organisation) are doing the best they can, with the purest of motives, it does not make the hierarchy, or their political masters less corrupt or at fault. Yes Nucksmuth, I'm looking at you. (I realise he is not Munster uf Pleece, by the way: just making a point).

[rastuscat]

the only point that needs to be made in response to that is that just because the people (esp at the coalface of the organisation) are doing the best they can, with the purest of motives, it does not make the hierarchy, or their political masters less corrupt or at fault. Yes Nucksmuth, I'm looking at you. (I realise he is not Munster uf Pleece, by the way: just making a point).

You make a worthy point, Henry.

So, instead of bagging Popos for revenue collecting, bag the Munster instead. I'm finding the bagging tedious.

Still, it's not going to happen, as it's always just easy to bag the Popo when it's the Popo you interact with when donating your dosh.

Same old suggestion. Don't break the rules, and you won't get fined.

[Gremlin]

PS I don't always indicate at roundabouts. If I'm the only vehicle on it or near it, then who am I indicating for? The law? :no:
I reckon people start like that... oh, there isn't anyone around. Over a few years it progresses to oh, there isn't anybody close... then perhaps... oh, no-one needs to know, and eventually... indicate? Why? Make it a habit, and it's easy. Had plenty of cars simply change lanes on me, then realise I was there, and perhaps indicate on the next attempt. As I told one scared driver at the next light (coz I stopped and got off, behind him), yeah yeah, you didn't see me, but at least indicate, so I can do something about it. Down the next road he changes lane without indicating :facepalm:


Off to work now, Bikie Friends. Man, does my wife give me shit for the amount of time I spend talking to my Bikie Friends. Never mind.
I bet you don't know how you even survived without us :laugh:

[tri boy]

I'm so over the whole licencing crap these days.
It's just a bore, and my meagre dollars is best spent on the necc, nessis, important things in life.
Pollies stack the deck.
Coppa's act like lap dogs to their masters.
Joe public couldn't give a fuck if one or a thousand bikers die on the roads.
Bikers act like cocks almost every minute on the road.

Register, don't register, no one really cares.
If your bleeding out on the side of the road after slamming into an oncoming car, because you thought you could take that corner like Rossi, that lil slip of paper wont stop the blood.

Fuck it.

[trustme]

As long as there are prostitutes there will be CVIU officers The rest by & large have never done me any harm.

CVIU have a policy of ' ticket any infringment, zero tolerance , get your revenue up ' as stated to me by an officer when I almost got a $500 dollar fine.

Guy went through me like a dose of salts then complemented me on all my paperwork, all road users were bang on , provided weigh bridge ticket to prove I had checked weight before leaving. I had a new log book about 4 days old, he checked that & the old log book, as he closed the new one he noted I had forgotten to put mu name on the front of the book.
He said because I was doing things right he was sure I had made an honest mistake & would let me off. I told him it was simply revenue gathering & nothing to do with road safety to which he agreed , the older cops don't like the way things have gone & will use a little discretion , the newer CVIU are just bastards.

Joe average copper is just doing his job.

[Berg]

As long as there are prostitutes there will be CVIU officers The rest by & large have never done me any harm.

CVIU have a policy of ' ticket any infringment, zero tolerance , get your revenue up ' as stated to me by an officer when I almost got a $500 dollar fine.

Guy went through me like a dose of salts then complemented me on all my paperwork, all road users were bang on , provided weigh bridge ticket to prove I had checked weight before leaving. I had a new log book about 4 days old, he checked that & the old log book, as he closed the new one he noted I had forgotten to put mu name on the front of the book.
He said because I was doing things right he was sure I had made an honest mistake & would let me off. I told him it was simply revenue gathering & nothing to do with road safety to which he agreed , the older cops don't like the way things have gone & will use a little discretion , the newer CVIU are just bastards.

Joe average copper is just doing his job.
What a load of horseshit. I could have issued thousands of dollars of tickets this week but chose to deal with many of them by way of warning or immediate complyance.

[Drew]

Joe average copper is just doing his job.Yip, they certainly are. And the ones that don't actually think they are saving you by ticketing, still have to give out tickets, because most of the time they are dealing with drop kicks who won't respond to anything. So why shouldn't they?

I understand why the brainwashed ones wont enter into debate on the merrits or oppostite there of too.

But if we are to accept that they are not the ones to be fucked off at, perhaps they could at least admit we have a legitimate gripe as to what we are forced to pay.

Here's one quick question for anyone who can answer it. How can we be ticketed for "not displaying a current vehical licence"? There is absolutely no way to get away with not paying the registration fees. Having a vehicle registration on hold and using it, sure, you are deliberately breaking the law. But if the reg has just run out, you get a bill for it. Don't pay it, and beycorp come for you. Still don't pay it, and your credit rating is fucked.

To get a $200 ticket for something you have to pay one way or the other, is surely not legal.

[trustme]

What a load of horseshit. I could have issued thousands of dollars of tickets this week but chose to deal with many of them by way of warning or immediate complyance.

Figured I would get a bite

[Scuba_Steve]

You make a worthy point, Henry.

So, instead of bagging Popos for revenue collecting, bag the Munster instead. I'm finding the bagging tedious.

Still, it's not going to happen, as it's always just easy to bag the Popo when it's the Popo you interact with when donating your dosh.


Same with all aint it?, your on the front line you get the abuse. Wasn't Nick who increased the ACC levy's it was the National party, just like it isn't John Key selling assets again it's the National party yet them being the face to the problem they flack the abuse.


The older cops don't like the way things have gone & will use a little discretion , the newer CVIU are just bastards.


Alot of the "older" cops left when the "force" turned to making the monies for the Govt instead of real police work, you'll find alot of these guys now semi-retired running cafés in somewhat "out of the way" places round the country. Good guys, very friendly always good for a chat.

[MSTRS]

I reckon people start like that... oh, there isn't anyone around. Over a few years it progresses to oh, there isn't anybody close... then perhaps... oh, no-one needs to know, and eventually... indicate? Why? Make it a habit, and it's easy.
I know all about habits. I got a wee lesson re a good one to have, in 1974, and it's served me well in all the years since. It covers a heap of particulars, but it boils down to one thing - Observation.
There is no point in indicating IF there is no-one to see it. And that's another habit I have...

[rastuscat]

As long as there are prostitutes there will be CVIU officers The rest by & large have never done me any harm.

CVIU have a policy of ' ticket any infringment, zero tolerance , get your revenue up ' as stated to me by an officer when I almost got a $500 dollar fine.

Guy went through me like a dose of salts then complemented me on all my paperwork, all road users were bang on , provided weigh bridge ticket to prove I had checked weight before leaving. I had a new log book about 4 days old, he checked that & the old log book, as he closed the new one he noted I had forgotten to put mu name on the front of the book.
He said because I was doing things right he was sure I had made an honest mistake & would let me off. I told him it was simply revenue gathering & nothing to do with road safety to which he agreed , the older cops don't like the way things have gone & will use a little discretion , the newer CVIU are just bastards.

Joe average copper is just doing his job.

Yeah it's revenue collecting. They are really going hard after your dollars.

Erm.............did you say, ALMOST GOT A $500 FINE? I guess he must have been 'almost revenue collecting'.

I 'almost revenue collect' most days. I see things happening that I could ping people for, but which are technical breaches that have little connection to road safety, other than in the big picture. So I 'almost revenue collect' from them. Hasn't cost any of them a cent.

E.g. I encourage my guys and girls to stop any vehicle which has less than the required number of brake lights working. Like, a car with less than 3, when 3 are required. We stop them to tell the driver that they have a light out. If we didn't stop them and tell them, they wouldn't know. But we don't charge them $150 for the advice, like we could. Yeah, it's all about revenue collecting. You have no idea how easy it would be to collect ten times as much revenue as we do now, if we really wanted to. But it wouldn't contribute to road safety much.

One day there might be a pill we can put in the water that causes everyone to wear seatbelts, stops at stop signs, complies with traffic lights etc. But for the moment all we have is the system the gubbermint provides, so that's how we try to encourage compliance.

I'm one of the old school ones you mentioned, and I often think of the old days. When we killed more than 700 people a year on the roads.
When I would stop an unlicenced driver, write him a ticket, then watch him drive off again.

The old days weren't always that good.

[Edbear]

And who was it that started this thread? (To what end I really can't imagine). EVERY CUNT on here is a hypocrite, and some are even so fuckin ignorant they don't realise they are.

I'm a bit tired today, will try harder tomorrow.

You are quite correct... :yes:


I'm so over the whole licencing crap these days.
It's just a bore, and my meagre dollars is best spent on the necc, nessis, important things in life.
Pollies stack the deck.
Coppa's act like lap dogs to their masters.
Joe public couldn't give a fuck if one or a thousand bikers die on the roads.
Bikers act like cocks almost every minute on the road.

Register, don't register, no one really cares.
If your bleeding out on the side of the road after slamming into an oncoming car, because you thought you could take that corner like Rossi, that lil slip of paper wont stop the blood.

Fuck it.

Again, you are correct, but the fees are like taxes and they do pay for a lot of stuff you would have to personally fund yourself. Everyone curses the Govt. for "revenue collecting", that's actually their job in porder to fund the society we live in... If people took care and responsibility the health industry would be far cheaper than it is.


Yip, they certainly are. And the ones that don't actually think they are saving you by ticketing, still have to give out tickets, because most of the time they are dealing with drop kicks who won't respond to anything. So why shouldn't they?

I understand why the brainwashed ones wont enter into debate on the merrits or oppostite there of too.

But if we are to accept that they are not the ones to be fucked off at, perhaps they could at least admit we have a legitimate gripe as to what we are forced to pay.

Here's one quick question for anyone who can answer it. How can we be ticketed for "not displaying a current vehical licence"? There is absolutely no way to get away with not paying the registration fees. Having a vehicle registration on hold and using it, sure, you are deliberately breaking the law. But if the reg has just run out, you get a bill for it. Don't pay it, and beycorp come for you. Still don't pay it, and your credit rating is fucked.

To get a $200 ticket for something you have to pay one way or the other, is surely not legal.

Same for not having your licence I guess. It's no big deal really and as Rastuscat says, officers do show discretion. I often re-register online and carry the receipt with me until the label comes in the mail.


I know all about habits. I got a wee lesson re a good one to have, in 1974, and it's served me well in all the years since. It covers a heap of particulars, but it boils down to one thing - Observation.
There is no point in indicating IF there is no-one to see it. And that's another habit I have...

Do fart in the forest and say, "Excuse me!" when there is no-one around..? :confused:

[trustme]

Yeah it's revenue collecting. They are really going hard after your dollars.

Erm.............did you say, ALMOST GOT A $500 FINE? I guess he must have been 'almost revenue collecting'.

I 'almost revenue collect' most days. I see things happening that I could ping people for, but which are technical breaches that have little connection to road safety, other than in the big picture. So I 'almost revenue collect' from them. Hasn't cost any of them a cent.

E.g. I encourage my guys and girls to stop any vehicle which has less than the required number of brake lights working. Like, a car with less than 3, when 3 are required. We stop them to tell the driver that they have a light out. If we didn't stop them and tell them, they wouldn't know. But we don't charge them $150 for the advice, like we could. Yeah, it's all about revenue collecting. You have no idea how easy it would be to collect ten times as much revenue as we do now, if we really wanted to. But it wouldn't contribute to road safety much.

One day there might be a pill we can put in the water that causes everyone to wear seatbelts, stops at stop signs, complies with traffic lights etc. But for the moment all we have is the system the gubbermint provides, so that's how we try to encourage compliance.

I'm one of the old school ones you mentioned, and I often think of the old days. When we killed more than 700 people a year on the roads.
When I would stop an unlicenced driver, write him a ticket, then watch him drive off again.

The old days weren't always that good.

Truck driver gets pulled in at Stanley St. COF on trailer is about a week old. Number plate light is out & is ticketed for no tail lights . Goes to the guys superior & argues that his tail light are operating it is a number plate light. Told to get lost . Stopped 13 times over the next 2 days.

One CVIU area chief refers to truckies as the 'enemy'. As the CVIU bloke said, 'I'd rather have a beer with your average truckie than my workmates'

Lots more stories like that.

CVIU have no fathers the rest are OK

[MSTRS]

Do fart in the forest and say, "Excuse me!" when there is no-one around..? :confused:

Never happen. I don't pull my own finger...

[rastuscat]

Truck driver gets pulled in at Stanley St. COF on trailer is about a week old. Number plate light is out & is ticketed for no tail lights . Goes to the guys superior & argues that his tail light are operating it is a number plate light. Told to get lost . Stopped 13 times over the next 2 days.

One CVIU area chief refers to truckies as the 'enemy'. As the CVIU bloke said, 'I'd rather have a beer with your average truckie than my workmates'

Lots more stories like that.

CVIU have no fathers the rest are OK

Yup. And I've gots lots of stories about truckies who have been total knobs to deal with. Maybe we should sit and compare stories some day, over a beer.

To be fair, 99% of truckies are just going about their business, trying to follow the rules, paying their mortgage, trying to do the right thing by their families. As are 99% of cops, CVIU included. It's the 1% that causes the grief.

To a large extent, the CVIU enforces rules the level playing field. Like, if 9 companies out of 10 are playing by the rules, but the other 1 is constantly getting jobs by undercutting the prices of the 9 (by wroughting the system), wouldn't the 9 want the 1 pirate rogered?

[Mogwa]

To get a $200 ticket for something you have to pay one way or the other, is surely not legal.

I said the same thing to the officer at the checkpoint on sunday in an unconfrontational way when she pointed out my reg was out by 3 months... she turned the "blind eye" this time:woohoo:. I now have Reg again and i have paid for those 3 months anyway so i dont see it as breaking the law just delaying the inevitable to suit my finances.:laugh::laugh:

[trustme]

Yup. And I've gots lots of stories about truckies who have been total knobs to deal with. Maybe we should sit and compare stories some day, over a beer.

To be fair, 99% of truckies are just going about their business, trying to follow the rules, paying their mortgage, trying to do the right thing by their families. As are 99% of cops, CVIU included. It's the 1% that causes the grief.

To a large extent, the CVIU enforces rules the level playing field. Like, if 9 companies out of 10 are playing by the rules, but the other 1 is constantly getting jobs by undercutting the prices of the 9 (by wroughting the system), wouldn't the 9 want the 1 pirate rogered?


I'm in the 99% . Last CVIU ticket was probably 10/12 years ago, latest operator rating was as good as it gets. Everytime I am stopped I am treated like the 1%. It is the attitude that I hate, I don't get it from your normal cop.

[caspernz]

Truck driver gets pulled in at Stanley St. COF on trailer is about a week old. Number plate light is out & is ticketed for no tail lights . Goes to the guys superior & argues that his tail light are operating it is a number plate light. Told to get lost . Stopped 13 times over the next 2 days.

One CVIU area chief refers to truckies as the 'enemy'. As the CVIU bloke said, 'I'd rather have a beer with your average truckie than my workmates'

Lots more stories like that.

CVIU have no fathers the rest are OK

Mmmm, after 25 years in trucking I may almost be qualified to comment. There's always an element of 'enthusiastic enforcement' in any area of the Police force, but in my experience it's been mostly justified. Lots of slow learners in the trucking industry, just like bikers, try and buck the system and surprise surprise....the system bucks back. Starting off any encounter with law enforcement while you've got a chip on your shoulder is just counter productive.

I've got loads of anecdotes I can dish out. On the CB one night a driver was bitching about being robbed for going a little over the limit thru Hunterville on SH1. His definition of a little turned out to be about 35 over in a 50. Soooo unfair.....:no::no:

[MSTRS]

I'm in the 99% . Last CVIU ticket was probably 10/12 years ago, latest operator rating was as good as it gets. Everytime I am stopped I am treated like the 1%. It is the attitude that I hate, I don't get it from your normal cop.

Even worse, is the officious CVIU types that don't know the rules they are there to enforce...

[rastuscat]

Even worse, is the officious CVIU types that don't know the rules they are there to enforce...

..............and the KBers who quote the law as outlined by their mates cousins neighbour from Eketahuna.

[Scuba_Steve]

E.g. I encourage my guys and girls to stop any vehicle which has less than the required number of brake lights working. Like, a car with less than 3, when 3 are required. We stop them to tell the driver that they have a light out. If we didn't stop them and tell them, they wouldn't know. But we don't charge them $150 for the advice, like we could. Yeah, it's all about revenue collecting. You have no idea how easy it would be to collect ten times as much revenue as we do now, if we really wanted to. But it wouldn't contribute to road safety much.


Good boy :clap:



One day there might be a pill we can put in the water that causes everyone to wear seatbelts, stops at stop signs, complies with traffic lights etc. But for the moment all we have is the system the gubbermint provides, so that's how we try to encourage compliance.


You tell me how wearing my seatbelt is going to save your life, his life, her life, or even my life (being in a van) maybee I'll consider wearing one. If NZTA only put stop signs where stop signs are needed there maybee more compliance (South Island ones might be ok? but North Island ones are atrocious, we have them where they should not be & none where they're somewhat needed). no argument about traffic lights.

[Scuba_Steve]

..............and the KBers who quote the law as outlined by their mates cousins neighbour from Eketahuna.

na broz it was my mates daughters second cousin & I knows it true, they puts it on teh interwebs thats where alls da true stuff is I knows cause teh interwebs told me. chur

[rastuscat]

Good boy :clap:



You tell me how wearing my seatbelt is going to save your life, his life, her life, or even my life (being in a van) maybee I'll consider wearing one. If NZTA only put stop signs where stop signs are needed there maybee more compliance (South Island ones might be ok? but North Island ones are atrocious, we have them where they should not be & none where they're somewhat needed). no argument about traffic lights.

Wrote a paper once that asked the council to remove all traffic signs completely, and let the give way rules be the sole determinant. The control freaks insist that more signs is better then less signs. Sigh.

[MSTRS]

..............and the KBers who quote the law as outlined by their mates cousins neighbour from Eketahuna.

No. Not like them at all.
Someone who does a job enforcing certain rules, should never get those rules wrong, should they?

[MSTRS]

The control freaks insist that more signs is better then less signs.

It's the backhanders paid by the sign industry...

[rastuscat]

No. Not like them at all.
Someone who does a job enforcing certain rules, should never get those rules wrong, should they?

No, completely correct, they shouldn't. Only, they are human.

Maybe we should say that they should always try to be right, and accept it if they get it wrong.

[MSTRS]

No, completely correct, they shouldn't. Only, they are human.

Maybe we should say that they should always try to be right, and accept it if they get it wrong.

Maybe we should. But why should we? It is their job to be right when they accuse a truckie (eg) of heinous crimes against humanity, not the truckie's job to correct the officer.

[scumdog]

What a load of horseshit. I could have issued thousands of dollars of tickets this week but chose to deal with many of them by way of warning or immediate complyance.

Sums me up - not a ticket issued by me this year - but plenty of warnings/advice.

Oh my, how am I going to live up to this revenue gathering reputation:blink:

Of course when I start work this afternoon there might be a change....I'll let you know if I hand out any 'driving tax' and then y'all can start bagging me again...<_<

[MSTRS]

Sums me up - not a ticket issued by me this year -
Of course when I start work this afternoon there might be a change....

Sorry, mate, I won't be able to get there in time to test your claim...

[oldrider]

I have always said I would prefer personal ACC cover that would give me discounts for no claim etc and my own track record would then be the only thing that counts, not that of the crashing fraternity or the non-paying fraternity, nor would I pay multiple for having multiple vehicles.

True and I agree with that but Nick Smith was afraid to back his own party convictions and tried to lie his way around the issue, blaming motorcyclists!

Nick Smith is a Dickhead and a liar he should have just stuck to the truth and introduced competition and choice!

ACC is just a government controlled "monopoly" that can and does, charge whatever it likes!

How on earth does Deisel influence ACC costs compared to petrol FFS? :confused:

[MSTRS]

How on earth does Deisel influence ACC costs compared to petrol FFS? :confused:

I believe it doesn't. How could it?
But regos on deisel cars etc went up more than petrol cars because there is no tax at the pump (9.9c/lt ACC on petrol) and ACC want their pound of flesh. Of course, with inflation, that pound turned into a kilo...

[HenryDorsetCase]

I believe it doesn't. How could it?
But regos on deisel cars etc went up more than petrol cars because there is no tax at the pump (9.9c/lt ACC on petrol) and ACC want their pound of flesh. Of course, with inflation, that pound turned into a kilo...

you know why? because the farmers, the heavy transport lobby, and the railways have very very good political connections. Waaaaah they said, its not fair and the gubblemunt kowtowed. IIRC the proposal was the early 90's to introduce the levy on diesel.

Diesel is only cheaper because of the artifificial tax structure. (of course the same argument can and should be made for petrol.... and no, that isnt inconsistent with my position that ACC levy should be removed from registration and added to fuel)

[Scuba_Steve]

Wrote a paper once that asked the council to remove all traffic signs completely, and let the give way rules be the sole determinant. The control freaks insist that more signs is better then less signs. Sigh.

It's such a shame those whom control the roads are neither qualified to do so nor do they have any idea about the job they are paid to do.

[Drew]

Even worse, is the officious CVIU types that don't know the rules they are there to enforce...It's not just the CVIU, I got a ticket for 114k/h in a 100k/h zone once. I was on my learners licence, and the cop gave me a ticket for 44k/h over the speed limit. If I had half a brain, I could have contested the ticket and easily won, since the first 30k/h were breach of licence conditions, not speeding.

I did once however get off a breach of licence, because my pillion had a full licence. This should not have happened, and an educated cop should know that.


Sums me up - not a ticket issued by me this year - but plenty of warnings/advice.

BAD COP, NO DONUT!!!

[James Deuce]

True and I agree with that but Nick Smith was afraid to back his own party convictions and tried to lie his way around the issue, blaming motorcyclists!

Nick Smith is a Dickhead and a liar he should have just stuck to the truth and introduced competition and choice!

ACC is just a government controlled "monopoly" that can and does, charge whatever it likes!

How on earth does Deisel influence ACC costs compared to petrol FFS? :confused:

Nick Smith got demoted for his efforts, so we "won" in that respect.

However in terms of your comments about ACC, you're utterly wrong. There should never be any competition in the health sector. ACC is what allows young women to get breast cancer treatment and diabetics necessary surgery. ACC charges far less and has far less conditions to qualifiy for treatment than any US medical insurance plan.

Competition in anything related to injury and disease is immoral. Especially in countries where unemployment is used to cap inflation. I do not want to see people turned away from ED because they have no insurance, denied cancer treatment because they couldn't afford the cover if they wanted their kids to attend tertiary education. Plans to replace ACC with competition are idiotic at best, and criminal self-interest from health service providing corporations like McKesson's at worst. How is it that ACC stands up to repeated audits from any number of International agencies asked to evaluate an alternate to ACC? Because it is currently the fairest (ignoring the deliberate insult to motorcyclists) system in the OECD. No one is denied treatment and ACC turns a profit which is reinvested in New Zealand. Given that there are NO local insurance businesses left, where do you think health "care" profit will end up? Not here is a given.

[MSTRS]

You are correct. Again. But I do question your reference to ACC in terms of diabetes and breast cancer...

[Drew]

You are correct. Again. But I do question your reference to ACC in terms of diabetes and breast cancer... I think that the ACC bank account pays for almost all subsidized treatment in NZ doesn't it?

[James Deuce]

You are correct. Again. But I do question your reference to ACC in terms of diabetes and breast cancer...

You'd be surprised where some of the physical therapy, surgical budgets, reconstruction surgeries, and recovery programmes are paid from, along with getting people back to work.

But ACC don't necessarily pay for them directly. But without ACC and in a fully private, competitive health system, you'd HAVE to have insurance to pay for the whole lot. Even Aussies get caught out with not paying for as much Medicare as they can afford and not ending up fully healthy after a health scare as a result. ACC doesn't exist in a vacuum. It protects NZers from the worst excesses of corporatised health care, something that not even the Middle Class in the US can afford.

[MSTRS]

Well, I've not made a study of it all.
However, my understanding of the system is prolly the same as most...
Get sick/acute medical conditions (hospital level sick, that is) = free, from general taxation
Injury = 'free', from ACC
Cosmetic, or chronic medical conditions = free in most cases, long waiting lists. Or go private and pay for yourself/med. insurance.

The public sector hospitals are essentially bulk-funded in part by ACC, but I still don't see them using those funds (as such) for purely medical conditions.

[bikaholic]

Maybe the popo can use the SMART device to issue relevant health chits and pills from the barcode of the rego sticker, or this thread is way of topic.

[Scuba_Steve]

or this thread is way of topic.

This thread started with a Troll


Troll.

can it get off topic???

[bikaholic]

Troll.Sorry my bad, I thought he was trying to tell us he lived under a bridge.

[rastuscat]

Sorry my bad, I thought he was trying to tell us he lived under a bridge.

I used to, but Mrs Cat insisted that we move into a cave for the sake of the kids.

[scumdog]

Sorry, mate, I won't be able to get there in time to test your claim...

Well, I blew it.

Wrote out a ticket to a motorcylclist for Drove With Wrong Class of Licence 'cos he only had a car licence. $400 ta!

He was on a 450 traillie riding around town.

No:
Rego
WOF
Indicators
Number plate


He was cool, no attitude, wasn't riding like a dick, didn;t try to run/hide..

So I gave him 14 days Compliance to get his Learner motocycle licence. No 'revenue' gathered today.

Why? Cos I wanted to, it's the way I roll.

BTW: Also attended a motorcycle crash just before that - a Shadow off the road, too wide on a bend. Relatively minor injuries and I managed to ride the bike out f the ditch (Man they're way small compared to my H-D)

Sadly yet again no 'cage' to blame....

[Drew]

Well, I blew it.

Wrote out a ticket to a motorcylclist for Drove With Wrong Class of Licence 'cos he only had a car licence. $400 ta!


14 days might be a tad tight to get his licence, considering he'll need basic handling and all that jazz.

Are we praising you or admitting you might have soul after all?

[schrodingers cat]

This thread started with a Troll


Pretty effective too judging by the last 15 pages of (mostly) horseshit.

However I've learnt that if you want to be a 1%er don't pay tax to 'the man' :tugger::tugger::tugger:

[rastuscat]

Pretty effective too judging by the last 15 pages of (mostly) horseshit.

Gee thanks.

Rastus

[schrodingers cat]

Gee thanks.

Rastus

Now now. I was referring to the tired entrenched positions trotted out again.

[scumdog]

14 days might be a tad tight to get his licence, considering he'll need basic handling and all that jazz.

Are we praising you or admitting you might have soul after all?

Well HE said he could do it....

[Berries]

Now now. I was referring to the tired entrenched positions trotted out again.
Don't mention trotters.

[rastuscat]

Well HE said he could do it....

Did ya forbid him? We can forbid one class now. How bizarre was it when we caught someone with the wrong class, wrote up some tickets, then watched him ride off, still with the wrong class.

[Drew]

Well HE said he could do it....I wasn't havin a go, just saying he'll struggle if it's as hard to get a booking down there as it is here.


Did ya forbid him? We can forbid one class now. How bizarre was it when we caught someone with the wrong class, wrote up some tickets, then watched him ride off, still with the wrong class.Yeah, I had a guy forbid me to drive, but let me ride home from somewhere between Aukland and Wellington. My licence had expired.

[Scuba_Steve]

So I gave him 14 days Compliance to get his Learner motocycle licence.

Is this "compliance" thing also something judges hand out???

Remember going for my learners (basic handling) it was just after the holidays so there was about 50 in all show up, 49 on motorbikes & 20-30 of them gang members on HD's. (Now I know they have less power than a scooter :innocent: but they're still not legal as a learners bike in NZ)
That got me wondering if that was a judges "I don't want to deal with them, go get your learners & we'll ignore the fine" (not that they'd still be legal for another 18mths)

[FJRider]

Is this "compliance" thing also something judges hand out???

Remember going for my learners (basic handling) it was just after the holidays so there was about 50 in all show up, 49 on motorbikes & 20-30 of them gang members on HD's. (Now I know they have less power than a scooter :innocent: but they're still not legal as a learners bike in NZ)
That got me wondering if that was a judges "I don't want to deal with them, go get your learners & we'll ignore the fine" (not that they'd still be legal for another 18mths)

I haven't heard of such ... I imagine an officer also gave them "complience" ...

[Edbear]

Well HE said he could do it....

The guy must have had an amazing attitude. unlicensed on an off road bike with no rego, WoF or even a plate and you treat him with leniency? You'll give cops a bad rep mate...:confused:

[Owl]

and you treat him with leniency?

It happens Ed!

I got let off for speeding, while riding a 750cc on my restricted, with a pillion at about 1.??am:D

[MSTRS]

The guy must have had an amazing attitude. unlicensed on an off road bike with no rego, WoF or even a plate and you treat him with leniency? You'll give cops a bad rep mate...:confused:

Some sort of rep, anyway. Can't be avoided, if one is running around at night, without benefit of clothing, swinging their truncheon and not giving out traffic tickets, eh?
A hard act to follow...

[Edbear]

Some sort of rep, anyway. Can't be avoided, if one is running around at night, without benefit of clothing, swinging their truncheon and not giving out traffic tickets, eh?
A hard act to follow...

Poor guy is forever going to be known as the naked policeman!:facepalm:

[rastuscat]

Some sort of rep, anyway. Can't be avoided, if one is running around at night, without benefit of clothing, swinging their truncheon and not giving out traffic tickets, eh?
A hard act to follow...

Yup, Scummies enforcement tactics are rarely copied. I rarely remove my clothes before chasing crooks.

Don't confuse the diversion system (normally for court offences) with the compliance system (infringement based).

FYI, if a Popo is writing you a ticket on a SMART device, and the offence is one that complies with the national compliance policy, a wee tick box comes up on the screen that gives the Popo a chance to offer compliance i.e. a period to rectify the fault.

Outside that, we sometimes run our own compliance policies. Like, I stop a guy who drives his own car, and he's on a learners. His time is up, he just hasn't got the restricted yet. So, attitude dependant, I don't write the ticket, but I tell him he has, say, 2 weeks to get his restricted. I can check 2 weeks later to see if he has updated. If he hasn't he gets posted the ticket.

See, oddly enough, I'd prefer that he spent the cash on getting his restricted, rather than fines. After all, if I fine him, he still has to pay for his restricted.

Problem with this practise is that it encourages cynical people to not bother to comply, as they know that when they get stopped they can sort it and not get the fine anyway. It's really a question of judgement for the officer, attitude test, that sort of thing. When you've been doing this a while, you get better at it.

Just FYI, and another conversation starter.

Have at it.

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[Edbear]

It happens Ed!

I got let off for speeding, while riding a 750cc on my restricted, with a pillion at about 1.??am:D

YOU TOO ???!!!! :gob: Heavens to Betsy! What with the one who let my wife off with a friendly advice/warning for exceeding the speed limit and not having her licence with her, there could be dozens or even dare I say it, hundreds of coppers who are using discretion in their job!

It's just not the KB way, guys! :no:

[trustme]

Since this has degenerated into a group hug & purely in the interest of peace love & understanding. Can one of you guys tell me if doing a U turn at the traffic lights is legal. It drives me nuts and is becoming all too common in AK

[superman]

Since this has degenerated into a group hug & purely in the interest of peace love & understanding. Can one of you guys tell me if doing a U turn at the traffic lights is legal. It drives me nuts and is becoming all too common in AK

Quoting Monsieur RoadCode:
"Making a U-turn

You are normally allowed to make U-turns, as long as the road is clear in both directions and it is safe to do so. Make sure you have enough room to complete the turn and don't create a hazard for oncoming vehicles.
You aren't allowed to make U-turns if a 'No U-turn' sign is displayed."

Therefore perfectly legal. In AK there's some places where u-turns at signals are necessary given how busy traffic can be a safe right turn into a side street cannot be made, so you go to the next lights. Wait for a green right hander and do a u-turn so that you can perform a left hand turn into the side street required.

I've even seen U-Turn traffic lights around in this city.

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[GrayWolf]

A legitimate question, MrsTsRsrsrsrsrsrsr.

You are indicating for the vehicle that you, as a human, may not have seen.

If you indicate from habit (just like if you stop at stop signs from habit) it actually won't matter if there is another vehicle there or not. They will see your indicator, even if you haven't seen them. Or in the case of a stop sign, if you stop from habit, you'll stop out of habit, and reduce the chance that there is a vehicle there that you didn't see. Like, you're going to see 99.99999% of them anyway, but you only have to get hit by one to make it onto our crash reports.

So may people hit things they didn't see. You may not be aware of that, but our office deals with the outcomes.

Human error causes most crashes, anecdotally. Of course, you may be so shit hot you're a perfect driver, so don't worry about it.

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Actualy this raises an interesting point of arguement.
I passed my tests in the UK. One of the differences in indicating requirement between the two countries is that here it is 'obligatory', in the UK you are required to 'assess' if indication is required. My thoughts on this are, rightly or wrongly in a legal sense:

1) If you are simply required to indicate for the vehicle you didnt see? Then it is cognitively encouraging you to not look subconsciously?
2) If you are required to assess the need? Then it will subcounsciously encourage you to be MORE observant in those situations.

It's like the driver at a roundabout who with no other traffic on it, still comes to a complete stop, then moves away instead of observing, assessing, slowing down, changing gear and entering the roundabout to exit, it's mainly a 'give way' not a complete stop situation.
Although thinking on it Rastus, knowing how 'polite' NZ drivers are, I think I prefer the stop and wait driver... it's safer :facepalm:

[FJRider]

Since this has degenerated into a group hug & purely in the interest of peace love & understanding. Can one of you guys tell me if doing a U turn at the traffic lights is legal. It drives me nuts and is becoming all too common in AK

As Superman has stated ... unless a sign specifically says NO U TURNS ... you can if it is safe to do so ...

Red light cameras on some intersections should be able to catch offenders ... and the ticket is in the mail ...

[FJRider]

... there could be dozens or even dare I say it, hundreds of coppers who are using discretion in their job!

It's just not the KB way, guys! :no:

It's a sickness ... it must be stopped ...

The Revenue gathering MUST continue ... at ALL ... ummmmmm ... costs ??? :pinch:

[GrayWolf]

You're not one are you Brian?

It's a bit silly, I know a chap who has some beaut cars and has never reg'd a car in his life... he's never been caught and is also getting on in years.
Thankfully I have an uber beige shitheap and don't tend to get troubled at the nana speeds I go.


Exactly why I agree with the plate recognition ability. You play the numbers game and are 'betting' on the fact of being invisible will hide you from being stopped....
I own 3 bikes over 1000cc... one on hold 2 currently on the road, my partner has a car and a can am, so we wof/rego/insure 4 vehicles. The only reason anyone here is grizzling about 'loss or freedom/liberty/human rights... yada yada' is because they are one of the ones who ARE costing the rest of us more. Not just financialy, but image, (hooligan bikies, no regard for the law etc). Simple answer is? MAN THE FUCK UP. WOF/REGO your vehicles or ride a fucking bus! If you cant afford the rego? then how can you afford to run the bike (maintain it) properly!
I have no doubt I am going to get flamed for this.... and I really dont give a rats arse. I want to see compulsory insurance as well. It isnt about loss of freedom its about social responsibility.. which so many on here have fuck all of!

[GrayWolf]

Good boy :clap:



You tell me how wearing my seatbelt is going to save your life, his life, her life, or even my life (being in a van) maybee I'll consider wearing one..

I'll 'bite'..... in the event of a low speed (50kph for example) it will prevent you being 'launched' through your windscreen and visiting either the pavement or the occupants of the other vehicle. Satisfied? :shifty:

[Brian407]

Exactly why I agree with the plate recognition ability. You play the numbers game and are 'betting' on the fact of being invisible will hide you from being stopped....
I own 3 bikes over 1000cc... one on hold 2 currently on the road, my partner has a car and a can am, so we wof/rego/insure 4 vehicles. The only reason anyone here is grizzling about 'loss or freedom/liberty/human rights... yada yada' is because they are one of the ones who ARE costing the rest of us more. Not just financialy, but image, (hooligan bikies, no regard for the law etc). Simple answer is? MAN THE FUCK UP. WOF/REGO your vehicles or ride a fucking bus! If you cant afford the rego? then how can you afford to run the bike (maintain it) properly!
I have no doubt I am going to get flamed for this.... and I really dont give a rats arse. I want to see compulsory insurance as well. It isnt about loss of freedom its about social responsibility.. which so many on here have fuck all of!

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[davereid]

Exactly why I agree with the plate recognition ability.

I like it too.

A cop may notice that my 1985 BMW K100 is unlicenced and hasnt been for years.

An ANPR camera will just see a fully licensed TGB Moped, and wave me on.

Great idea I reckon.