NZ arrests in US-led copyright operation

[mashman]

Oh dear... (http://nz.news.yahoo.com/a/-/top-stories/12663735/nz-arrests-in-us-led-copyright-operation/) ahhhhh money driven fuckwits chasing after money driven fuckwits bwaaaaaaaaa ha ha ha haaaaaaaaaaaa... fuckwits

oh yeah, and why is youtube still operating?

[oneofsix]

Oh dear... (http://nz.news.yahoo.com/a/-/top-stories/12663735/nz-arrests-in-us-led-copyright-operation/) ahhhhh money driven fuckwits chasing after money driven fuckwits bwaaaaaaaaa ha ha ha haaaaaaaaaaaa... fuckwits

oh yeah, and why is youtube still operating?

cause youtube is owned by the big corporate money driven fuckwits

Nice of our police to help out the big American corporates.

[p.dath]

It concerns me that individuals are being extradited from NZ for breaking a law in another country, when they have been on NZ soil when the alleged crime occurred.

If they were in NZ, broke a law in NZ, then they should be charged in NZ.

But if your in NZ, either did or did not commit a crime in NZ, you should not be extradited to another country to be charged under their laws.

[george formby]

Kim Schmitz huh? The guy was in the papers a few months back complaining that he had not been allowed to buy a multi-million $$ house, vetoed by immigration IIR. He was quoted as wanting to bring his family to this beautiful company, create jobs & set a precedent for other wealthy entrepreneurs to come here & follow suit. Two sides to every story I guess......

Insider trading (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kim_Schmitz)


The House (http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10626044)

I don't feel bad about this, he's not some geek trying to get the latest episode of Star Trek.

[Gwinch]

Kim Schmitz is a colossal tosspot. The only way he could be shadier is if he added to his considerable bulk and provided sun shelter for young children.

[SPman]

This is the new world - what america wants, it gets. Borders are no protection and not a crime in your country? Tough - america doesn't care. They will arrest you from anywhere and extradite you to anywhere if they deem it is a crime or offensive to them, regardless of laws in other countries. Can't upset the corporate money-go-round - if there's a profit to be made, it's all their's! Let's face it, in a country where the President and his administration claim the "right" to murder anyone in the world, whereever he or she may be, for whatever reason they choose--or for no reason at all, recognising no limit to the number of people they can kill this way, and claim there is nothing at all that may impede their exercise of this "right", there is no morality left. I guess they should be lucky they were just arrested!
......:shutup:

[oneofsix]

This is the new world - what america wants, it gets. Borders are no protection and not a crime in your country? Tough - america doesn't care. They will arrest you from anywhere and extradite you to anywhere if they deem it is a crime or offensive to them, regardless of laws in other countries. Can't upset the corporate money-go-round - if there's a profit to be made, it's all their's! Let's face it, in a country where the President and his administration claim the "right" to murder anyone in the world, whereever he or she may be, for whatever reason they choose--or for no reason at all, recognising no limit to the number of people they can kill this way, and claim there is nothing at all that may impede their exercise of this "right", there is no morality left. I guess they should be lucky they were just arrested!
......:shutup:

just arrested ... at this stage
Go Team America :Punk:

[george formby]

Kim Schmitz is a colossal tosspot. The only way he could be shadier is if he added to his considerable bulk and provided sun shelter for young children.

:laugh::laugh::laugh: Ka-ching

[sgtp]

the US govt wrote the book on misguided priorities. I still can not get over how the US/Mexico border can not be defended, but we can go everywhere in the world and take on other nation's problems. The country is done for, even if obummer is defeated. I might never return. I like NZ, it does not have USA size problems. What are major problems here are a joke compared to the shit going on over there.

[oneofsix]

the US govt wrote the book on misguided priorities. I still can not get over how the US/Mexico border can not be defended, but we can go everywhere in the world and take on other nation's problems. The country is done for, even if obummer is defeated. I might never return. I like NZ, it does not have USA size problems. What are major problems here are a joke compared to the shit going on over there.

I didn't think they were serious about defending the mexican border, only policing it. Where else do they get their gardeners and housekeepers from? Sure they only want a limited number but they do want some. :jerry:

[oneofsix]

:Oops: the FBI hacked in retaliation. Now there is a surprise - not. :whocares:

http://www.stuff.co.nz/technology/digital-living/6288082/NZ-residents-arrested-in-internet-piracy-bust

But an armed police raid?? isn't that getting a bit ott

[Oblivion]

:Oops: the FBI hacked in retaliation. Now there is a surprise - not. :whocares:

http://www.stuff.co.nz/technology/digital-living/6288082/NZ-residents-arrested-in-internet-piracy-bust

But an armed police raid?? isn't that getting a bit ott

For once I'm glad to say Go Anonymous :innocent:

[jasonu]

Where else do they get their gardeners and housekeepers from? Sure they only want a limited number but they do want some. :jerry:

Sounds like NZ when Norm Kirk thought it was a good idea to let a few coconuts in to put the tops on the toothpaste tubes.
Nek Minnit...

[Waxxa]

It concerns me that individuals are being extradited from NZ for breaking a law in another country, when they have been on NZ soil when the alleged crime occurred.

If they were in NZ, broke a law in NZ, then they should be charged in NZ.

But if your in NZ, either did or did not commit a crime in NZ, you should not be extradited to another country to be charged under their laws.

Intellectual property (copyright) is not subject to a nations borders. if i write a song and have that published that is MY property and if someone in another nation wants to steal it you are breaching copyright law.

Most of the servers that host this material are in America hence breaking the law and they will prosecute because of the loss of revenue and jobs that this creates.

European nations are having this discussion at present whether America can influence the copyright on servers in the EU, so this will be an interesting development.

Copyright material is not free!

[jazfender]

Another prime example of how out of touch the RIAA and MPAA is with the people providing the actual content.

Last grasp attempts to stay relevant while the rest of the world moves on.

[SMOKEU]

Intellectual property (copyright) is not subject to a nations borders. if i write a song and have that published that is MY property and if someone in another nation wants to steal it you are breaching copyright law.


I still don't understand how it's possible to steal a song by downloading it off the internet.

[yachtie10]

I still don't understand how it's possible to steal a song by downloading it off the internet.

If you genuinely cant see that then I would seek help as it obvious to most people

If you buy a tv from a guy down the pub that he has stolen you have broken the law. Its called recieving stolen goods.
Its pretty much the same thing except you know you are stealing the song (probably).

That been said i have no sympathy for these corporates that charge over $30 for something that costs cents to make and the artisits get fuck all of it. Then if its scratched you have to buy another at full price. Most of the music I have recieved online I already own in another form. Damned if im paying for it again.

The only other time Is if i want to listen to it and see if I like it. If i will play it often I will buy it

[Zamiam]

FFS - google the guys name. Convicted of fraud, embezzlement and insider trading. Haven't met the guy but know people who have been royaly screwed over by him.

My question is how the fuck did he get nz residency.

[Zamiam]

I still don't understand how it's possible to steal a song by downloading it off the internet.

Really really simple - did you pay someone for it? If not you're a bloody thief.

[SMOKEU]

If you genuinely cant see that then I would seek help as it obvious to most people

If you buy a tv from a guy down the pub that he has stolen you have broken the law. Its called recieving stolen goods.
Its pretty much the same thing except you know you are stealing the song (probably).



Really really simple - did you pay someone for it? If not you're a bloody thief.

Digital media is an infinite resource which can be copied an unlimited number of times. If I steal a TV or buy a stolen TV, then that victim no longer has a TV. If I download a song illegally, then does that mean the music artist no longer has that song? No, they still have that song, and they wouldn't even be aware I pirated it.

TV shows cost a lot of money to make. TV stations buy the rights to air a TV show, and advertising companies pay TV stations to show their ads. This is why we can watch TV for free. Now, if I get up out of my chair and make myself a cup of coffee or go to the toilet during an ad break, then I'm not watching those ads. Is that theft as well?

[SPman]

These guys are furrin......how long before we get a case like the Richard Dwyer case in the UK.....
A judge ruled on Friday that a 23-year-old student can be extradited to the United States for running a website posting links to pirated TV shows and films, despite significant doubts over whether such sites break any UK laws.

Richard O'Dwyer, a computing student at Sheffield Hallam University, faces a potential 10-year term in a US jail despite never having been to America or using web servers based in the country. When still a teenager O'Dwyer set up a website, TVShack, which posted links to pirated material. It did not directly host any files, which meant, according to the student's lawyers, that it acted as little more than a Google-type search engine and did not breach copyright.

Go Anonymous!


Really really simple - did you pay someone for it? If not you're a bloody thief. Bollocks! Did someone give you a CD to burn? Did you record something off the radio, or a video off TV - then, according to your logic (and the RIAA's) you're a thief! Copy something out of a book? Thief!
What a crock of shit!

[BoristheBiter]

Digital media is an infinite resource which can be copied an unlimited number of times. If I steal a TV or buy a stolen TV, then that victim no longer has a TV. If I download a song illegally, then does that mean the music artist no longer has that song? No, they still have that song, and they wouldn't even be aware I pirated it.

TV shows cost a lot of money to make. TV stations buy the rights to air a TV show, and advertising companies pay TV stations to show their ads. This is why we can watch TV for free. Now, if I get up out of my chair and make myself a cup of coffee or go to the toilet during an ad break, then I'm not watching those ads. Is that theft as well?

There is a thing called the copyright act. this protects intellectual property rights. when you buy a CD, DVD, Itune song or the like you pay for the right to listen/watch it in that format.
If you don't pay then you are in breach of the copyright laws and can be fined/ jailed for it.

As for you TV idea its bollocks because the TV station pays for the right to broadcast there shows, they pay for this by charging company's to advertise or they make it pay per view like sky so you do pay.

[Zamiam]

Smokeu and spman you're both showing your ignorance. The same basic rules apply to intellectual property as physical property.

When you STEAL movies and music by downloading it the artist and the company/people who have invested in the artist or movie aren't receiving anything for their effort/investment. This is theft.

Simple question - do you guys expect to be paid for your work? Or do you work for free like you expect the musicians, actors etc to?

[jazfender]

Smokeu and spman you're both showing your ignorance. The same basic rules apply to intellectual property as physical property.

When you STEAL movies and music by downloading it the artist and the company/people who have invested in the artist or movie aren't receiving anything for their effort/investment. This is theft.

Simple question - do you guys expect to be paid for your work? Or do you work for free like you expect the musicians, actors etc to?

There are a group of artists that release their work for free or as a donation. They even wrote a fucking song supporting megaupload for this.

People need to wake up to the fact that the way the industry is moving is actually working out better for consumers and artists alike. Just because the RIAA and MPAA aren't making as much using traditional methods doesn't mean it's the end of the world.

Here's a novel idea; maybe artists don't need to be paid as much as they are for what they're doing? Maybe singer/songwriters need to be taken down a peg from "Rockstar/Popstar" level and come back to the people?

And maybe music executives could fuck off and leech off someone else's art?

[SMOKEU]

Smokeu and spman you're both showing your ignorance. The same basic rules apply to intellectual property as physical property.

When you STEAL movies and music by downloading it the artist and the company/people who have invested in the artist or movie aren't receiving anything for their effort/investment. This is theft.

Simple question - do you guys expect to be paid for your work? Or do you work for free like you expect the musicians, actors etc to?

Like I said before, downloading copyrighted material illegally is NOT theft. I'm not prepared to pay for movies and music, so even if I could afford to pay for it, I still wouldn't. So no one is losing money by me downloading stuff. Famous musicians such as Rihanna, Katy Perry, Jay Z etc all have their work ripped off. Do you think those famous musicians are living in a homeless shelter? No, they are all millionaires who live in their LA mansions and they don't need any more money. They're nothing but money hungry fuckwits. There are starving kids in Africa, go sponsor a kid through World Vision if you have money to spare. Or donate money to cancer research. If I had money to throw around I'd much rather give it to a good cause than see it fund corporate greed.

[Zamiam]

If they donate thy music or are happy to stream it for free then no issue. I agree wholeheartedly that many "stars" are paid obscene amounts of money for what they do and many are also ripped off by unscrupulous agents BUT that doesn't make it right to steal what they own.

[Zamiam]

Like I said before, downloading copyrighted material illegally is NOT theft.

I rest my case your honor. In the same sentence the defendant admits downloading copyrighted material is illegal but then claims it's not theft. I ask your honor how could you find that smokeu is anything but an idiot :bash:

[SMOKEU]

I rest my case your honor. In the same sentence the defendant admits downloading copyrighted material is illegal but then claims it's not theft. I ask your honor how could you find that smokeu is anything but an idiot :bash:

Let me make this simple to understand. Let's say I sneak into your garage at night, and steal your bike. You go into your garage in the morning, and find out that you no longer have a bike. You have now lost an expensive asset. You can't ride your bike, and you can't sell it and get money from it, because you don't have it in your possession any more. A motorbike is a tangible asset that you don't have any more. That's theft. I can now ride the bike myself, or strip it for parts and sell it.

If someone were to be a famous singer, and I download an album of theirs, then they still have that album. They won't even know I downloaded it. They're not losing any money, and they're not losing a tangible asset. They can still sell albums to other people. They are not directly affected. It's not theft, it's merely making a copy of something and spreading it around.

[Zamiam]

So if I sneak into your house and shag your missus it's not a crime as I didn't take anything tangible? Maybe that shows you how fucked up your thinking is.

End of the discussion.

[lakedaemonian]

So if I sneak into your house and shag your missus it's not a crime as I didn't take anything tangible? Maybe that shows you how fucked up your thinking is.

End of the discussion.

I know it's early days....but I'm thinking this could make shortlist for post of the year.

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I equate digital IP theft to looting during a riot.

The looters justify it by claiming they're attacking "the man" and big corporates....and "that's what insurance is for".

Some people even seem to think of illegal downloads, particularly music, as a "right".

Meanwhile, "integrity" has been missing for some time and is presumed dead.

Comparing music distribution today compared to way back in the day....I'd far rather have today....I'm no longer screwed into purchasing an entire album for one decent song I'm after.

And as far as the music industry goes the economics are much like the private equity and venture capital industries.

For every 10 investments made:

6-7 fail
2-3 break even
1 is a hit that helps pay down all the losses of the rest, AND some profit.

Anyone look at the profit margins of record companies?

Pretty crap.....

Yup.....the industry(like the motorcycle industry) needs to change....those that take a chance and succeed will benefit...those that stagnate in the past will whither and die.

But going after "the man" is a poor excuse and crap justification for theft....no matter how you try to spin it.

[Grumph]

FFS - google the guys name. Convicted of fraud, embezzlement and insider trading. Haven't met the guy but know people who have been royaly screwed over by him.

My question is how the fuck did he get nz residency.

Quite simple....he paid ten million dollars plus an unspecified donation to the ChCh earthquake Fund.....

I'll say one thing for this gouging government, they're not shy selling stuff....and not particular who they sell to either.

[Oblivion]

Megaupload was a site that allowed direct downloads of files, whether they be music, movies,games whatever. That is direct piracy.

However, the British teen that got extradited to the US, for having links to sites, In my eyes is not piracy. He is encouraging others to commit piracy. Just like what all the big corporations have been doing for years.

Cnet, As you should know was a site that pretty much hosted links to download lots of different tools that allowed you tp gain copyrighted materials, Such as Limewire and all that.

But its ironic that the Founder of Cnet, was someone that was on the Board of Representatives of Microsoft. Same with AOL. The founder of that site was a representative for Warner Media Group (WMG) that pretty much have screwed the internet over when it comes to watching videos on Youtube.

Both of these sites distribute tools that allow people to download the copyrighted files. They would then countersue these people for profit. By acting like the victim, they then earn millions of dollars.

The only reason that piracy is so bad is because these guys allowed it to happen, and they made a FORTUNE counter suing these people for downloading songs with the tools that they provided. A single US Mum downloaded 14 songs and the copyright holders wanted $1 million US for each downloaded song.

Ill see if I can find the video that explains it better

[mashman]

Heh... I'm surprised noone has mentioned SOPA or PIPA, because those laws would have stopped this from happening :blink:

[noobi]

Heh... I'm surprised noone has mentioned SOPA or PIPA, because those laws would have stopped this from happening :blink:

Along with Wikipedia, google, yahoo, and pretty much any forum anywhere.

[rainman]

My question is how the fuck did he get nz residency.


Quite simple....he paid ten million dollars plus an unspecified donation to the ChCh earthquake Fund.....

I'll say one thing for this gouging government, they're not shy selling stuff....and not particular who they sell to either.

I was going to say "because he has money (illegal or no), and because the government are fuckwits who'll believe any old shit about job creation and growth from wealthy immigrants (dodgy or no)".

I feel sorry for his family, who are apparently decent people. Imagine having to live around that ego all the time. Suspect they might be on the fast track back away from easy street if he gets a stint in the real Big House.

[Ender EnZed]

Let's say I sneak into your garage at night, and steal your bike. You go into your garage in the morning, and find out that you no longer have a bike. You have now lost an expensive asset. You can't ride your bike, and you can't sell it and get money from it, because you don't have it in your possession any more. A motorbike is a tangible asset that you don't have any more. That's theft. I can now ride the bike myself, or strip it for parts and sell it.

If someone were to be a famous singer, and I download an album of theirs, then they still have that album.....They can still sell albums to other people.

This much is fact. I don't think anyone could say that the above is not a true and accurate description of reality. There's a bit more to it of course...

As a side note (or parallel, it's more interesting to me), today was the first time I'd heard anything about MegaUpload having anything at all to with New Zealand. How about the rest of you?

[SMOKEU]

I equate digital IP theft to looting during a riot.

The looters justify it by claiming they're attacking "the man" and big corporates....and "that's what insurance is for".



If you own a shop and people loot it during a riot, then:

1. You will have to pay insurance excess for replacing windows, stock, etc.

2. You may lose any no claims bonus.

3. Your shop will have to be closed while it's repaired and new stock is ordered, so you can't make any sales during that time.

4. It will take you a lot of time to count losses, fill out insurance forms, replace stock, etc.

If someone pirates your music, how are you DIRECTLY suffering any loss, monetary or otherwise? Many of the people who pirate stuff wouldn't be prepared to pay for it even if software piracy didn't exist, so how is anyone losing money? It's just like me sneaking up to someones car and taking a picture of it. No one is losing anything.

[Winston001]

Did you record something off the radio, or a video off TV - then, according to your logic (and the RIAA's) you're a thief! Copy something out of a book?

Good points and that's my ethical position. I recorded music off the radio when I were a lad and I've recorded movies off TV since then. That is lawful in NZ. So is copying parts of books. It only goes wrong if you then re-copy on to a third person (but backups are ok - right...??)


There are a group of artists that release their work for free or as a donation. They even wrote a fucking song supporting megaupload for this.

Here's a novel idea; maybe artists don't need to be paid as much as they are for what they're doing?

Yes agreed, that's fine and I suspect politicians don't understand freely given art because they don't hear from the people who do it. Still, people have to eat and I don't see why artists shouldn't make some money. Most bands have day jobs. Sod all earn a living. Consider the premier Flying Nun icon, The Chills. I'd probably give Martin Phillips a donation if I saw him in the street. This is a band which played with REM and.....never quite got there.




Some people even seem to think of illegal downloads, particularly music, as a "right".

Meanwhile, "integrity" has been missing for some time and is presumed dead.


Anyone look at the profit margins of record companies?

Pretty crap.....



Succinctly put. Heck, I struggle to explain to my teenagers why downloading music is illegal - they do not get it. But the interesting thing is, they haven't done so since September 2011. So laws are understood by most of us and obeyed even if disliked.

Mind you, ripping Youtube tracks appears to be ok...:devil2:

[BoristheBiter]

Smokeu and spman you're both showing your ignorance. The same basic rules apply to intellectual property as physical property.

When you STEAL movies and music by downloading it the artist and the company/people who have invested in the artist or movie aren't receiving anything for their effort/investment. This is theft.

Simple question - do you guys expect to be paid for your work? Or do you work for free like you expect the musicians, actors etc to?

From other threads on here they don't work and sponge off the rest of us.

[mashman]

From other threads on here they don't work and sponge off the rest of us.

You mean they keep inflation down ensuring that your money is worth what it is currently worth and not less had they all been in employment?

[scumdog]

You mean they keep inflation down ensuring that your money is worth what it is currently worth and not less had they all been in employment?

How fuckin' noble of them...

I'll look at the leeches in a different manner now

Yeah right....:rolleyes:

[mashman]

How fuckin' noble of them...

I'll look at the leeches in a different manner now

Yeah right....:rolleyes:

that's coz you're an ignorant pig

[doc]

Ill see if I can find the video that explains it better

It's not this one is<iframe width="560" height="315" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/-iDq0Tdja4A" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe> it was emailed to me this week. I don't have the concentration span to watch it

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[BoristheBiter]

that's coz you're an ignorant pig

Takes one to know one.

[mashman]

It's not this one is it was emailed to me this week. I don't have the concentration span to watch it

In brief. Illuminati conspiracy backed up by the man in the entertainment industry making or breaking established stars by discrediting their lifestyle choices or framing them because they don't do as they're told, and in some cases murdering them... bit of symbology, bit of numerology, bit of the famous resenting their fame and whoring themselves to the devil (not necessarily figuratively speaking either) and last but not least, the realisation that money has made some famous people do, say and promote things that otherwise wouldn't. Nothing too new, control via abuse of power and threat.

[mashman]

Takes one to know one.

:shit: :shifty:

[lakedaemonian]

If you own a shop and people loot it during a riot, then:

1. You will have to pay insurance excess for replacing windows, stock, etc.

2. You may lose any no claims bonus.

3. Your shop will have to be closed while it's repaired and new stock is ordered, so you can't make any sales during that time.

4. It will take you a lot of time to count losses, fill out insurance forms, replace stock, etc.

If someone pirates your music, how are you DIRECTLY suffering any loss, monetary or otherwise? Many of the people who pirate stuff wouldn't be prepared to pay for it even if software piracy didn't exist, so how is anyone losing money? It's just like me sneaking up to someones car and taking a picture of it. No one is losing anything.


Let's keep it super simple.

1,000,000 people illegally download music and movies.

Are you claiming ZERO people who downloaded the music and movies illegally would NEVER pay for the same music and movies? ZERO?

That's like saying a bunch of looting UK Chavs don't buy Nike trainers and tracksuits like they just stole from a shop.

I would agree that MOST wouldn't pay....because they lack the ethics/morals/funds to pay.

But ZERO? Be realistic.....

How about 5%, 10%, 20%? Certainly not ZERO.

So there is the losses to the artist and/or IP owner you seem to be looking for.

Also, that's where legitimate buyers eventually wind up having to fork over more to subsidize the theft.

WE CAN'T ALL STEAL music and movies....SOMEONE HAS TO PAY......just like we can't all be on the dole....somebody's got to generate the taxes to pay for those on the dole....and somebody's got to pay for music and movies so the rest can illegally download them.

So your argument/justification for illegal downloading of "No one is losing anything" is completely wrong.

[schrodingers cat]

Not trying to justify anything either way but the whole music industry is cynical and crooked.
Very little money goes to the many many independant artists out there who create the music.

A bit like the fact that FA money ends up in the hands of farmer growing veges or whatever.

This scumbag being arrested in such a high profile manner works well for the coporate bullies and thieves buying their justice.

Its probably been like this for all of history. THe interweb makes it more immediatly visable. Don't know if it means we can do anythng about it tho. I guess thats why violent revolution appeals to many folks.

[pzkpfw]

...

Also, that's where legitimate buyers eventually wind up having to fork over more to subsidize the theft.

WE CAN'T ALL STEAL music and movies....SOMEONE HAS TO PAY......just like we can't all be on the dole....somebody's got to generate the taxes to pay for those on the dole....and somebody's got to pay for music and movies so the rest can illegally download them.

So your argument/justification for illegal downloading of "No one is losing anything" is completely wrong.

It's a bit like insurance fraud. Some people think it's a "victimless crime", ignoring that it drives up premiums for everybody, even for those who don't make the fraudulent claims.

The way I see it, the people who make, produce and sell the movies, music, whatever have the right to determine how they are distributed and how they are paid for. (Even if it truely weren't costing them.)

People are just whining (understandably, it's human nature) because they could get something for free, but now maybe can't. Tough luck.

The funny part is when it gets made into some kind of "free speech" issue, as though not being able to download (for free) the latest song by "Bobby Brimstone and the Flying Bicycles" is somehow going to lead to the downfall of democracy.

[cromagnon]

Same guy...

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[SPman]

From other threads on here they don't work and sponge off the rest of us.You really are are fucking tosspot, aren't you!

[scumdog]

that's coz you're an ignorant pig

Oooh, I'm going to tell the tee-cha on you for that...

[mashman]

Oooh, I'm going to tell the tee-cha on you for that...

remember not to speak with your mouth full.

[BoristheBiter]

You really are are fucking tosspot, aren't you!

So are you or not on the dole?

[SS90]

Same guy...

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I actually wondered what sort of person he was, and that 1min 30 second clip confirmed what I suspected.

Arschloch!

I am very certain that the yanks are going to make an exampe of him, but they have chosen the right Arschloch to do it with.

[mashman]

I am very certain that the yanks are going to make an exampe of him, but they have chosen the right Arschloch to do it with.

I hope this Arschloch gets a fuckin good lawyer and leads them a merry dance, I really do, Arschloch or not it'd be fun to watch the system beaten by its own loopholes... although the chances of that happening are close to nil probably... unless of course him getting off will be the justification for ramming SOPA and PIPA through... oh I do like a good conspiracy.

[BoristheBiter]

I hope this Arschloch gets a fuckin good lawyer and leads them a merry dance, I really do, Arschloch or not it'd be fun to watch the system beaten by its own loopholes... although the chances of that happening are close to nil probably... unless of course him getting off will be the justification for ramming SOPA and PIPA through... oh I do like a good conspiracy.

You do that.

[Berries]

As a side note (or parallel, it's more interesting to me), today was the first time I'd heard anything about MegaUpload having anything at all to with New Zealand. How about the rest of you?
Today was the first time I had ever heard the word. Is Dotcom his real name then?

[mashman]

You do that.

Do what? Have you been drinking Boris? or vodka for that matter :blink:

[BoristheBiter]

Do what? Have you been drinking Boris? or vodka for that matter :blink:

Good KB grammar again.

It was meant as "yes, you do that, like a good conspiracy".

But right again I had been drinking, but not myself. I wouldn't think I would be very tasty, but each to their own.:sick:

[davereid]

I have a lot of misgivings around this entire arrest. Without entering in a debate about copyright (which I think is a debate well worth having), I think the issue here is bigger than that.

I'm concerned that a man of apparent bad character can simply buy his way into New Zealand.

But Im more concerned at the entire scenario.

Unless I have got it wrong, a German citizen, the CEO of a Hong Kong based company, allegedly broke US copyright law, and was arrested under US law in New Zealand.

And our police, keen no doubt to show the FBI observers how modern and efficient they are, hired two helicopters, to mount a raid on his mansion, in a style you would expect for a T.V. show on major crime about forced child slavery or something, rather than the alleged crime of facilitating copyright violation.

If Mr. Dotcom had actually broken New Zealand law, then the FBI should have simply provided NZ police with the evidence and left it up to them.

Instead it appears the FBI whistled, and our police came running like terriers to show how good they are.

The fawning puppy like reaction of OUR authorities to the US request raises many more questions about our sovereignty and corruption at government levels than it raises about breaches of copyright.

IMHO this could spell the end of the free internet as we know it. This may set a precedent that the US can enforce its internet laws in any country it chooses.

[awayatc]

IMHO this could spell the end of the free internet as we know it. This may set a precedent that the US can enforce its internet laws in any country it chooses.

And that would be the least of our worries..................

Compared to all else the world has lost to "uncle" Sam

[BoristheBiter]

I have a lot of misgivings around this entire arrest. Without entering in a debate about copyright (which I think is a debate well worth having), I think the issue here is bigger than that.

I'm concerned that a man of apparent bad character can simply buy his way into New Zealand.

But Im more concerned at the entire scenario.

Unless I have got it wrong, a German citizen, the CEO of a Hong Kong based company, allegedly broke US copyright law, and was arrested under US law in New Zealand.

And our police, keen no doubt to show the FBI observers how modern and efficient they are, hired two helicopters, to mount a raid on his mansion, in a style you would expect for a T.V. show on major crime about forced child slavery or something, rather than the alleged crime of facilitating copyright violation.

If Mr. Dotcom had actually broken New Zealand law, then the FBI should have simply provided NZ police with the evidence and left it up to them.

Instead it appears the FBI whistled, and our police came running like terriers to show how good they are.

The fawning puppy like reaction of OUR authorities to the US request raises many more questions about our sovereignty and corruption at government levels than it raises about breaches of copyright.

IMHO this could spell the end of the free internet as we know it. This may set a precedent that the US can enforce its internet laws in any country it chooses.

Copyright law is actually a world wide law, generally policed by the nations own police force.

The problem is now you can break copyright and not be in that country as with the internet.

Maybe the way you should look at it, and i too have misgivings with an American police force operating in NZ, is you can no longer do what you want on the internet and get away with breaking laws. Similarly to what they do with with the likes of pedo's on the net.

The other part is you have no protocol information on this operation so are just making assumption's. You will generally find they are here in an observational role until the NZ police hand them over to be returned back to the US.

[davereid]

Copyright law is actually a world wide law, generally policed by the nations own police force.

The problem is now you can break copyright and not be in that country as with the internet.

Maybe the way you should look at it, and i too have misgivings with an American police force operating in NZ, is you can no longer do what you want on the internet and get away with breaking laws. Similarly to what they do with with the likes of pedo's on the net.

The other part is you have no protocol information on this operation so are just making assumption's. You will generally find they are here in an observational role until the NZ police hand them over to be returned back to the US.

Well they can't be returned back to the US, as they didn't come from the US.

I accept that you can no longer do what you want on the internet and get away with breaking laws.

Thats why I made the point that if Mr. Dotcom had broken NZ laws then I entirely agree that the FBI could give the information to the NZ police, and they could arrest him.

The issue is, we are enforcing US law on a NZ resident.

I think Frank Bainimarama is a complete totalitarian cunt.

Saying that is against Fiji law. I have clearly broken Fiji law, and my statement can be read from any internet live PC or phone in Fiji. For all I know, Kiwibikers server is in the back of a dairy in Suva. Would that make me more liable ?

Should the police fly to my place and arrest me for it ?

[BoristheBiter]

Well they can't be returned back to the US, as they didn't come from the US.

I accept that you can no longer do what you want on the internet and get away with breaking laws.

Thats why I made the point that if Mr. Dotcom had broken NZ laws then I entirely agree that the FBI could give the information to the NZ police, and they could arrest him.

The issue is, we are enforcing US law on a NZ resident.

I think Frank Bainimarama is a complete totalitarian cunt.

Saying that is against Fiji law. I have clearly broken Fiji law, and my statement can be read from any internet live PC or phone in Fiji. For all I know, Kiwibikers server is in the back of a dairy in Suva. Would that make me more liable ?

Should the police fly to my place and arrest me for it ?

Ok.
He broke a us internet law in the us, regardless of where he might be in the world.
The US found him here and would have asked the NZ government to help in arresting him under the reciprocal agreements that both country's have.

Now for you to call frank a cunt is fine as you have not said it in Fiji so no law has been broken.
If you posted it in Fiji you have broken a law but the Fijian police would have to ask the NZ police to arrest you and then deport you back to Fiji.

The whole internet has opened so many problems it will take years to fix but doesn't mean it should be a free-for-all now does it.

To take it a step further does that mean if i kill some here the fuck off to the states that they can't get me as i have broken no US law?

[Owl]

I'd like to know how many Chinese citizens are being extradited to the US for copyright infringements?:confused:

[mashman]

Good KB grammar again.

It was meant as "yes, you do that, like a good conspiracy".

But right again I had been drinking, but not myself. I wouldn't think I would be very tasty, but each to their own.:sick:

It was getting late and I really wasn't sure... I'm sure you taste delicious, don't be so hard on yourself.



The whole internet has opened so many problems it will take years to fix but doesn't mean it should be a free-for-all now does it.

killjoy, a free-for-all is exactly what we need :innocent:

[pzkpfw]

To take it a step further does that mean if i kill some here the fuck off to the states that they can't get me as i have broken no US law?

Yep.

That service station guy who kept the millions Westpac accidentally gave him pissed off back to Hong Kong/China.

They sent him back for us, didn't they?

[BoristheBiter]

Yep.

That service station guy who kept the millions Westpac accidentally gave him pissed off back to Hong Kong/China.

They sent him back for us, didn't they?

Yes but in China they do it their way, where most of the west country's "let them watch" when they arrest someone.

If the FBI was leading this then i would also have some very big questions to ask but it just seems a bit of a beat up.

[avgas]

cause youtube is owned by the big corporate money driven fuckwits

Nice of our police to help out the big American corporates.
On "SOPA day" no less.

Bet they were planning on getting that passed too.......poor little corporates.

[SMOKEU]

If the NZ government is willing to act in such a way that they are prepared to hand someone over to the American authorities for copyright infringement while the "offender" was committing the "crime" on NZ soil, then where does that leave the rest of us? The NZ government is clearly corrupt for even considering such a thing, and I can guarantee that this is the start of much worse things to come.

[SPman]

So are you or not on the dole? I guess with the $30K tax I paid last year I should take a break and claim it all back, yes?

[BoristheBiter]

If the NZ government is willing to act in such a way that they are prepared to hand someone over to the American authorities for copyright infringement while the "offender" was committing the "crime" on NZ soil, then where does that leave the rest of us? The NZ government is clearly corrupt for even considering such a thing, and I can guarantee that this is the start of much worse things to come.

Then you had better fuck off somewhere else before the man catches up with you then.

[BoristheBiter]

I guess with the $30K tax I paid last year I should take a break and claim it all back, yes?

Sorry then, i'm could have sworn there was a thread where you said you were on it.
O well carry on.

[davereid]

Ok.
He broke a us internet law in the us, regardless of where he might be in the world.
The US found him here and would have asked the NZ government to help in arresting him under the reciprocal agreements that both country's have. Now for you to call frank a cunt is fine as you have not said it in Fiji so no law has been broken.If you posted it in Fiji you have broken a law but the Fijian police would have to ask the NZ police to arrest you and then deport you back to Fiji.The whole internet has opened so many problems it will take years to fix but doesn't mean it should be a free-for-all now does it.To take it a step further does that mean if i kill some here the fuck off to the states that they can't get me as i have broken no US law?

I dont think you can be sure he broke a US law in the US. I can't find anything to suggest he has even been to the US.

You could argue that he broke a US law in New Zealand, but the US has jurisdiction as the server was in the US.

But if that was the case, my comments about Mr Bainamarama would also be enforceable by the Fijians if the server was based in Fiji. And for all I know it is.

Indeed its completely impossible to be sure where any bit of internet traffic is routed, stored or saved, as its dynamic. One packet may go via the US while another goes via germany.

Megaupload had servers all over the world. You could not even be sure that any particular file you sent or received was in any particular country.

Does that mean you have to know where the server is when you do something online ? To do a trace-route to make sure your traffic is not going via a Chinese server if you are being critical of communisim ?

If you were to kill someone in New Zealand, and flee to the US, its entirely different, as you had commited a crime IN New Zealand against NZ laws. So NZ jurisdiction applies.

The age of consent in New Zealand is 16. Its 18 in the United States. So should the US be able to arrange for NZ police to arrest New Zealanders who have sex at 16 ?

Should US police be able to arrest New Zealanders who have sex with 16 year old americans who are in New Zealand on Hoiliday ?

Should the US police be able to arrest americans who have sex with other americans at age 16 in NZ ?

Should Muslims be able to stone women who offend islamic law in New Zealand ?

[SMOKEU]

Then you had better fuck off somewhere else before the man catches up with you then.

Then you better give me some money so I can afford to do it.

[SPman]

Sorry then, i'm could have sworn there was a thread where you said you were on it.
O well carry on. I have been on it at various times .........no big deal - except to a person who has no idea of the curveballs life can throw someone and who's self inflated egotistical arrogance deems them to consider themselves in some way superior in life, to mere mortals!

There can be times in your life when you have to use the options available to survive.

Having been poor is no shame, but being ashamed of it, is. - Benjamin Franklin.
and I'm not ashamed - on the contrary, it's given me a better insight into how a large percentage of the population live and survive, without being oh so quick to judge and condemn!

I will now carry on...and on....and on.........:moon:

[mashman]

Website founder bought his way into NZ (http://nz.news.yahoo.com/a/-/top-stories/12685759/website-founder-bought-his-way-into-nz/) ... "Warwick Tuck, head of immigration, told NZ Newswire that Dotcom was granted residence in 2010 under the investor plus category."

[BoristheBiter]

I dont think you can be sure he broke a US law in the US. I can't find anything to suggest he has even been to the US.

You could argue that he broke a US law in New Zealand, but the US has jurisdiction as the server was in the US.

But if that was the case, my comments about Mr Bainamarama would also be enforceable by the Fijians if the server was based in Fiji. And for all I know it is.

Indeed its completely impossible to be sure where any bit of internet traffic is routed, stored or saved, as its dynamic. One packet may go via the US while another goes via germany.

Megaupload had servers all over the world. You could not even be sure that any particular file you sent or received was in any particular country.

Does that mean you have to know where the server is when you do something online ? To do a trace-route to make sure your traffic is not going via a Chinese server if you are being critical of communisim ?

If you were to kill someone in New Zealand, and flee to the US, its entirely different, as you had commited a crime IN New Zealand against NZ laws. So NZ jurisdiction applies.

The age of consent in New Zealand is 16. Its 18 in the United States. So should the US be able to arrange for NZ police to arrest New Zealanders who have sex at 16 ?

Should US police be able to arrest New Zealanders who have sex with 16 year old americans who are in New Zealand on Hoiliday ?

Should the US police be able to arrest americans who have sex with other americans at age 16 in NZ ?

Should Muslims be able to stone women who offend islamic law in New Zealand ?

As for mr .com i guess we will see as he goes up for a deportation hearing today.
So I guess the media got it wrong about the FBI arresting him, no surprise there.

As for the rest well really i couldn't careless. if you choose to break the law in any country that you happen to be in or post on then be prepared for the popo to come and ask you some questions.
It used to be easier but with the invent of the internet things have become very muddy.
You can now go though so many different servers in multiple country's to hide in cyberspace so you don't get caught, to me that says something right there.

I guess most country's really don't care about who posts what because they know it is such a long process.

[BoristheBiter]

Then you better give me some money so I can afford to do it.

I will give you what you deserve

:finger:

[BoristheBiter]

I have been on it at various times .........no big deal - except to a person who has no idea of the curveballs life can throw someone and who's self inflated egotistical arrogance deems them to consider themselves in some way superior in life, to mere mortals!

There can be times in your life when you have to use the options available to survive.

Having been poor is no shame, but being ashamed of it, is. - Benjamin Franklin.
and I'm not ashamed - on the contrary, it's given me a better insight into how a large percentage of the population live and survive, without being oh so quick to judge and condemn!

I will now carry on...and on....and on.........:moon:

Oh boo the fuck hoo.
So now who's self inflated egotistical arrogance is coming though just because they were poor.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xe1a1wHxTyo

[SS90]

I am surprised at the level of ignorance in regards to actually what is happening here.

These guys are in court trying to stop "extradition" to the states, where they have been indicted for a series of charges, ranging from copyright infringement to conspiracy to money launder.

They are not, nor will ever be in a NZ court representing charges of the bugger all. (although, there sounds like there are some claims of firearms charges, but let's wait and see on that one.)

The Yanks would have to provide massive amounts of credible evidence to the NZ government before they would even consider this (they seem to have done this), and, as NZ is indeed a democracy, these guys are given "due process" to refute the allegations, before a Judge grants (or not) an extradition order, so that they can represent there case in front of a Yank Judge, where the charges are laid.

I suspect no matter what the outcome of the copyright infringement charges, there is a real chance the money laundering allegations (if proven) will bite them all in their (ample) asses.

Proceeds of crime, or not, you never steal from the Tax Man..... I recon you would serve less time on piracy charges than tax evasion.

If you killed someone in NZ, then fled to the States would they send you back? Yes, if the NZ Government filed an extradition order (with accompanying required paperwork and evidence), absolutely, NZ and the USA have reciprocal agreements in relation to such matters (as does most of the world)

It would be the same as if a Kiwi took off to Aussie after committing a crime here... He would be sent back also.

Same if he was back home in Deutschland....... Although they have mind numbing procedures here that can drag almost anything out as long as you want, he may well have been better off if the application was made with the Bundespolitzi, as a good Lawyer would be able to fight the extradition order, because he is on native soil, and you have more rights at home that anywhere else (most of the time)

I can't help shake the feeling that he was granted permission to stay here simply so that the powers that be know where he was and where able to watch his operations to assist in building a case against him.

The raided, the exact same day that his mates (accomplices) where here ( for lard asses birthday), and, at the same time, they had over 100 million in cash, "laying about the gaff"

Pfffffft.

What a co-incidence.

I my opinion, it's more a case of "give a man a rope" than anything else.

Also, it gives a clear signal that criminal can't hide out in NZ with out fear of being caught.

International terrorists might think twice before applying for refugee status after these latest developments.

Anyway, he's a fat Fuck, he deserves worse.

Fucking German Eric Cartman in my books.

[avgas]

If the NZ government is willing to act in such a way that they are prepared to hand someone over to the American authorities for copyright infringement while the "offender" was committing the "crime" on NZ soil, then where does that leave the rest of us? The NZ government is clearly corrupt for even considering such a thing, and I can guarantee that this is the start of much worse things to come.
I sadly agree with you. There are too many "Why now?" questions out there.

Not saying Kim Dotcom is a nice chap. But what he is being arrested for he did YEARS ago. Since then he has been in plain sight. So why arrest him NOW?

Perhaps NZ is seen as another "Yes Sir! Not a problem Mr USA" nation?

[pzkpfw]

The stuff article (yesterday) said something like 20 warrants were executed in 9 countries. It is an international thing.


I wonder if those gnashing their teeth over this, would think the same if those "servers without borders" were, rather than hosting "free" movies, music and software; were instead hosting child porn?


(Actually, given the "defence" of these folk is usually that "we only provide hosting, we don't control what people put on our servers or do with that content", I wouldn't put boundaries on what might have been found there. Though that's just speculation on my part, I have no idea what was and wasn't hosted on (or via) their servers.)

[willytheekid]

I am surprised at the level of ignorance in regards to actually what is happening here.

..............

:clap: Well said sir!

One of the most educated and thought out posts in this entire thread!...I hope you all read this carefully.

ps. In regards to piracy...Piracy of content and information has existed for hundreds of years in some form or another...it is only the REASONS for doing so that have not changed (reasearch WHY people pirate and the history of Piracy...very interesting indeed, and may cause some of you to rethink your moral stand towards piracy)

[SPman]

Regardless of the merits or otherwise of the site and it's operators, this gives a good precis of the case

http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/2012/01/explainer-how-can-the-us-seize-a-hong-kong-site-like-megaupload.ars

http://entropy.ifm.net.nz/2012/01/mpaa-and-riaa-cant-see-wood-for-trees.html (http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/2012/01/explainer-how-can-the-us-seize-a-hong-kong-site-like-megaupload.ars)

[Tigadee]

Here's a novel idea; maybe artists don't need to be paid as much as they are for what they're doing? Maybe singer/songwriters need to be taken down a peg from "Rockstar/Popstar" level and come back to the people? And maybe music executives could fuck off and leech off someone else's art?

Agreed but how do you impact the egomaniac hip-hop and pop stars, and not hurt real artists? How do you knock out the greedy corporate middlemen and not hurt the content creators?

[SPman]

The majority of artists make their money from live performances - and people don't go to live performances, generally, if they have no idea of who the artist is. It could be said that many artists would be even worse off, if they didn't have the exposure, that downloads give them. Many actively promote free downloads to get their music out there, and, additionally promote their work.. It's also been found that many older artists have had a resurgence in their careers, through younger people re discovering them and their work, after record companies refuse to re-release their albums.

Back to the case in hand ....

“There are significant issues of due process,” attorney Ira Rothken said. “The government has taken down one of the world’s largest storage providers and have done so without giving Megaupload an opportunity to be heard in court.”

Rothken dismissed the government’s attempt to file criminal charges against his clients. “Many of the allegations made are similar to those in the copyright case filed against YouTube and that was a civil case….and YouTube won.”

What is most alarming about the scope of the raids is they appear to be undertaken under the clear instruction of the FBI.

The news reports quickly changed their story to say that the FBI had "requested" the raids... probably after a quick call from Washington DC... but since when was the FBI the international enforcer of the entertainment industry?

[Indiana_Jones]

Website founder bought his way into NZ (http://nz.news.yahoo.com/a/-/top-stories/12685759/website-founder-bought-his-way-into-nz/) ... "Warwick Tuck, head of immigration, told NZ Newswire that Dotcom was granted residence in 2010 under the investor plus category."

This isn't exactly new lol.....

-Indy

[mashman]

This isn't exactly new lol.....

-Indy

heh, must have nodded off in the middle of the thread somewhere

[Indiana_Jones]

heh, must have nodded off in the middle of the thread somewhere

Just people buying their way into NZ lol, plenty of people here you can't speak a word of English and do zero work as they have mountains of cash.

-Indy

[Teflon]

Cunts, now filesonic is down.. "Attention! We have detected some suspicious behaviour coming from your IP address" all fucking lies...

[Berries]

Cunts, now filesonic is down.. "Attention! We have detected some suspicious behaviour coming from your IP address" all fucking lies...
All of your posts that I have read in PD have been pretty sus.

[mashman]

Just people buying their way into NZ lol, plenty of people here you can't speak a word of English and do zero work as they have mountains of cash.

-Indy

I came in as skilled labour, so there are flaws in the system :laugh:... although I do speak good Englishish

[mashman]

let the witch hunt begin (http://nz.news.yahoo.com/a/-/top-stories/12703932/peters-wants-dotcom-documents-released/)

[SMOKEU]

Just saw this on the TM message boards "The American Film industry is Jewish owned and run, anyone find it ironic that they target the German geeks first (considering the number of file lockers around the internet)".

Too fucking right.

[Ender EnZed]

Just saw this on the TM message boards "The American Film industry is Jewish owned and run, anyone find it ironic that they target the German geeks first (considering the number of file lockers around the internet)".

Too fucking right.

http://www.cracked.com/funny-1085-irony/

[HenryDorsetCase]

Just people buying their way into NZ lol, plenty of people here you can't speak a word of English and do zero work as they have mountains of cash.

-Indy

its not even that big of a mountain: $10M in gubblemunt bonds IIRC.

[Big Dave]

http://www.cracked.com/funny-1085-irony/

Yes - it would be ironic if the Germans were named Goldwyn-Mayerstein.

Ed sums it up best.

<iframe width="420" height="315" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/nT1TVSTkAXg?rel=0" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

[pritch]

Heh... I'm surprised noone has mentioned SOPA or PIPA, because those laws would have stopped this from happening :blink:

Could've stopped KB too, as well as just about everything not owned by the biggest corporations.

[mashman]

Could've stopped KB too, as well as just about everything not owned by the biggest corporations.

Would we don our Hi-Viz vests and silly hats and take to the streets yelling and screaming that KB is no more... FUCK no.

won't someone think of Associations - a picture game

[BoristheBiter]

Would we don our Hi-Viz vests and silly hats and take to the streets yelling and screaming that KB is no more... FUCK no.

won't someone think of Associations - a picture game

This is KB, only tinfoil hats will do.

http://img.izismile.com/img/img3/20100505/640/swedish_king_who_640_20.jpg

[mashman]

This is KB, only tinfoil hats will do.

technically that's a mask... but if we're heading to the streets to protect Associations, it'd be awesome.

[jazfender]

Agreed but how do you impact the egomaniac hip-hop and pop stars, and not hurt real artists? How do you knock out the greedy corporate middlemen and not hurt the content creators?

Hi -> the internet.

It's already happening.

[jazfender]

Hi -> the internet.

It's already happening.

Looks like Megaupload was just about to roll out something that might have done that:

https://plus.google.com/u/0/111314089359991626869/posts/HQJxDRiwAWq

[davereid]

Looks like Megaupload was just about to roll out something that might have done that:

https://plus.google.com/u/0/111314089359991626869/posts/HQJxDRiwAWq

Interesting link. The artists would have been well paid, but little room for the music companies to clip the ticket. Certainly adds to the pile up of information around this case.

A techy dweeb mate tells me there is some furious work going on to create an application that enables you to share your files via your email provider.

The idea is you upload what you want to share to your gmail or yahoo account. When someone wants a copy, they just tell the application. It logs onto your gmail account, and sends the file to the requestors gmail account, without sharing password data.

The idea is to demonstrate that if the holder of the server (ie mega-upload) is fully responsible for the content held on the server, that public email systems and cloud computing in general are all likely to be liable as well.

[oneofsix]

Looks like Megaupload was just about to roll out something that might have done that:

https://plus.google.com/u/0/111314089359991626869/posts/HQJxDRiwAWq

That can't be allowed! :eek: That might be allowing the artists to keep the copyright on their creations as it was originally intended :shit: Must stop. Must go in with FBI and guns blazing :AR15:
:Oops: :done:
I thought FBI was USA domestic and CIA international. So isn't using the four FBI advisers in NZ to lead the AOS on their daring raid infringing on the CIA's property rights? :innocent:

[mashman]

Looks like Megaupload was just about to roll out something that might have done that:

https://plus.google.com/u/0/111314089359991626869/posts/HQJxDRiwAWq

The Rain Man won't be happy if that's true.

[riffer]

Current music industry works like this:

https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/s320x320/397993_2857866379948_1658296503_2582360_605689485_ n.jpg

[flyingcrocodile46]

Current music industry works like this:

https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/s320x320/397993_2857866379948_1658296503_2582360_605689485_ n.jpg

The question as to whether it is illegal to copy songs and movies is up in the air again (at least in NZ) if this is anything to go by.

Small wonder that lawyers are associated with snakes and sharks when public prosecutors have morals no better than those of catholic priests.

http://rt.com/usa/news/dotcom-megaupload-prosecution-evidence-235/


Dotcom’s case has been stirring controversy on both sides of the Pacific. His attorneys say the US illegally poached evidence from New Zealand, taking 18 copies of evidence despite an agreement with Kiwi prosecutors that it would remain in the country. That charge was deflected by prosecutors, who said that the clause only pertains to original data, and not copies of it, Radio New Zealand reported. Those prosecutors also said it would take another two and a half months to comb through the site’s archive before sufficient evidence is produced.

How the fuck are we expected to respect the law when lawyers have no shame in flouting them. Cock smokers.

BTW I have no opinion on dot com's guilt or innocence but the way in which the issue has been handled from the planning stage onward is fucking shameful.

[Swoop]

the clause only pertains to original data, and not copies of it
Well, that intimates that a recording of a song is perfectly able to be distributed around the internet as it is not the original. That would obviously be the one recorded in the studio. All others are copies from that.
The same would apply to movies, obviously.

Time to dismiss Dotcom's charges...

[scott411]

Well, that intimates that a recording of a song is perfectly able to be distributed around the internet as it is not the original. That would obviously be the one recorded in the studio. All others are copies from that.
The same would apply to movies, obviously.

Time to dismiss Dotcom's charges...

in the end, thats the US's call, we have a extradition treaty with them, no one complained about it when they caught and sent back that asian prick that killed his wife,

i am sure the pack of lawyers that dotcom employes will keep the case in the courts for years, the truth, and the victims (companies or artists or anyone else) have very little effect in the process, the process is what they will argue on,

i have no idea if he is guilty or not, and doubt that the laws they are using were really made for this sort of thing anyway,

Dotcom is a interesting guy for sure, he did not like the fact trying to buy off John Banks got him no help when he was in prison,

[flyingcrocodile46]

Well, that intimates that a recording of a song is perfectly able to be distributed around the internet as it is not the original. That would obviously be the one recorded in the studio. All others are copies from that.
The same would apply to movies, obviously.

Time to dismiss Dotcom's charges...

Exackery :rolleyes: