A question for the cops

[Pseudonym]

First of all, this is not a gripe at the unfairness of life or how you are all out to get us poor innocent bikers.
It’s just a question, that is all.
I was stopped on my way home last night at a checkpoint, no drama I really don’t have an issue with it.
I was breath tested while another cop checked my rego and WoF, still no problem.
She also asked to check my licence, again, I do not have any problem with this! Just making sure those who are about to jump on me for complaining understand that I’m really not bothered!

The question is, when I’m in a car and get checked I don’t think I’ve ever been asked for my licence before.

Is this new for all those who are stopped or is it just to check right class of licence?

Just curious, if you are just checking bikes then that’s kinda understandable given the rules regarding cc rating etc.
If you are checking everyone then fair enough.
If you are just checking random people then that’s cool too.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Sounds like you've answered all of your own questions.

[Pseudonym]

No, I have some theories but nothing confirmed.
I’m going with #3 as that would be the most likely but would like to know.

[SMOKEU]

During a random 3T a cop told me that they're doing a sting operation on bikers because many of them don't hold the right class of license for the bike they're riding.

[awa355]

During a random 3T a cop told me that they're doing a sting operation on bikers because many of them don't hold the right class of license for the bike they're riding.

What kind of road machine licence do you need to ride a Harley?

At a random stop, I would think they could ask to see your licence as a standard procedure.

[bsasuper]

If you hav'nt realised by now, the NZ government wants all motorcycle riders off the road, just wait till you see what they have install for us.I like to take the time at RBT's, random stops etc, T o__ r e a l l y__ d r a w __ o u t__ t h e __ p r o c e s s, __ a s k __ l o t s __ o f __ q u e s t i o n s, __ t a k e __ y o u r __ t i m e __ t o __ t a k e __ o f f__ y o u r __ g l o v e s, __ h e l m e t, when talk into the alc tester stuff it up a few times etc, when asked for licence take 5mins to find it in your riding gear etc, ohh stop your bike in a position that makes it akward for cars to get around, my record is 25mins at a RBT, and boy were they getting pissed off wth me.The answer is of course "well you stopped me, and I have no problem with that, this is how long it takes me, sorry" (my bike is always legal, and I never drink ride, and they usually use the new recruits so are easy to stuff about)

[SMOKEU]

What kind of road machine licence do you need to ride a Harley?



Depends on the size of the engine.

[Crasherfromwayback]

, my record is 25mins at a RBT,

Fuck you need to get out more often man. I've got far better things to do that fuck around there for 25 mins.

[FJRider]

The request for your licence is just revenue gathering ... $150 (I think) for not being able to produce your licence ... if you are asked for it.

[slofox]

What kind of road machine licence do you need to ride a Harley?



Tractor license, innit?

[Zamiam]

.. my record is 25mins at a RBT, and boy were they getting pissed off wth me.The answer is of course "well you stopped me, and I have no problem with that, this is how long it takes me, sorry"

Love it, good passive resistance. I have never agreed with their right to stop me "randomly". If I've done nothing wrong then as far as I'm concerned they have no right to impede me going about my business. Another thing that pisses them off is to ask for their id when they ask for your license.

[red mermaid]

Waste of time answering your request...the KB experts have already spoken.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Love it, good passive resistance. I have never agreed with their right to stop me "randomly". If I've done nothing wrong then as far as I'm concerned they have no right to impede me going about my business. Another thing that pisses them off is to ask for their id when they ask for your license.

You're a badass biker through and through. Personally, I'm all for the odd random stopage. They even recover the odd stolen motorcycle that way. But of course...you would only care if it was yours.

[nadroj]

Should we not be encouraging these checks? Why are all these unlicenced, un registered, uninsured, unroadworthy, ACC sucking people using the priveledges us law abiding (sic) registered, legal riders have quaalified and paid for?:innocent:

[Scuba_Steve]

Waste of time answering your request...the KB experts have already spoken.

ahh the police, helpful as always

[davereid]

Should we not be encouraging these checks? Why are all these unlicenced, un registered, uninsured, unroadworthy, ACC sucking people using the priveledges us law abiding (sic) registered, legal riders have quaalified and paid for?:innocent:

The aussies are on to it. Go on a poker run there now, and you can expect to be pulled over 15 times for a rego / wof / licence check.

That should make sure that anyone who's rego runs out during the run is caught, and makes for a fun day out.

Its not harassment, or a violation of anyones civil rights, its for public safety.

And the bikers are all known criminals, they just haven't been arrested as there is no evidence, but its just a matter of time.

http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/news/south-australia/police-swoop-on-bikie-run/story-e6frea83-1111117919010

[caspernz]

Should we not be encouraging these checks? Why are all these unlicenced, un registered, uninsured, unroadworthy, ACC sucking people using the priveledges us law abiding (sic) registered, legal riders have quaalified and paid for?:innocent:

+1 :yes::yes:

[rastuscat]

The request for your licence is just revenue gathering ... $150 (I think) for not being able to produce your licence ... if you are asked for it.

Yawn. Never let the facts stand in the way of a good whinge. The fine is $55.

Before the mandatory carriage provisions it used to be a lottery to tell if anyone as going you crap details or not. It's making the licence system more robust. Anyone who doesn't produce a licence is potentially hiding something. Potentially, I said. Only way to know is to check.

Not sure how you do decent head checks before changing lanes with that massive chip on your shoulder.

[nadroj]

If you were a qualified, licenced tradesman working on a worksite, would you welcome the authorities checking everyone's credentials to ensure unqualified, unlicenced imposters were not allowed to pinch your work?

This should be the same with licence & rego checks to protect our enjoyable activities.

[Owl]

Last time I got stopped at a checkpoint (Shannon-January-2010), I was told it was a check for licence/registration which they did. I was asked if the bike had a current WoF, but it wasn't checked?

I told them my Missus was following behind and they wouldn't need to bother checking her, as she was all legal.:innocent: They stopped her anyway to complement her on her choice of bike.:laugh:

[rastuscat]

If I've done nothing wrong then as far as I'm concerned they have no right to impede me going about my business.

And how can they check if you have a licence without stopping you and actually talking to you? They have to see who the rider is before they can do the licence check. If they stopped doing that, every disqiualified driver would buy a bike, and ride around until they got their licence back, if ever.


Another thing that pisses them off is to ask for their id when they ask for your license.

Thanks for the legal advice. Here's some back. They are required to wear full uniform, or produce ID. Not both.

Still, my mates second cousin from Eketahuna says they have to carry their ID and have to show it to you when you ask. Also, he says they have to do 25 press ups if you ask them to, and clean your air filter. My mates second cousin says it, it must be true.


Land Transport Act 1998 Section 113 follows

13 Enforcement officers may enforce transport legislation
(1) An enforcement officer in uniform or in possession of a warrant or other evidence of his or her authority as an enforcement officer may enforce the provisions of—
(a) the Local Government Act 1974, the Local Government Act 2002, the Road User Charges Act 1977, the Public Transport Management Act 2008, the Government Roading Powers Act 1989, the Railways Act 2005, the Land Transport Management Act 2003, and this Act:
(b) regulations and rules and bylaws in force under any Acts mentioned in paragraph (a).

[5150]

Tractor license, innit?

I was about to say that but you beat me to it <_<

[rastuscat]

http://www.legislation.govt.nz/act/public/1998/0110/latest/DLM435099.html?search=ts_act_land+transport_resel&p=1#DLM435099

[GrayWolf]

What kind of road machine licence do you need to ride a Harley?



An Agricultural machinery operators licence! :laugh:

[BMWST?]

the operation of a motor vehicle on her majesty's highways is a privelege not a right

[Madness]

http://www.legislation.govt.nz/act/public/1998/0110/latest/DLM435099.html?search=ts_act_land+transport_resel&p=1#DLM435099

That link is like the ongoing attempts to convince us that Teh Police are genuinely interested in our safety & wellbeing. It just isn't working.

[rastuscat]

That link is like the ongoing attempts to convince us that Teh Police are genuinely interested in our safety & wellbeing. It just isn't working.

Excuse me? Sorry, I posted the law. Like it or not, it's the law.

I posted it to help people to understand it. Obviously that point escaped you.

Nice username. Suits you.

[scumdog]

Love it, good passive resistance. I have never agreed with their right to stop me "randomly". If I've done nothing wrong then as far as I'm concerned they have no right to impede me going about my business. Another thing that pisses them off is to ask for their id when they ask for your license.

"Another thing that pisses them off"??....Hahahaha......fuck off!:lol:

If you asked me that I'd just say "no" and give you a :scratch::shifty: look.

It would take waaaay more than THAT to piss ME off:yes:

[Madness]

Excuse me? Sorry, I posted the law. Like it or not, it's the law.

I posted it to help people to understand it. Obviously that point escaped you.

Nice username. Suits you.

You don't get it do you? The link you posted doesn't work.

:facepalm:

[sil3nt]

the operation of a motor vehicle on her majesty's highways is a privelege not a rightTougher penalties might make people realise this.

[scumdog]

You don't get it do you? The link you posted doesn't work.

:facepalm:

It does for sane people....:shifty:

[Ender EnZed]

It worked for me.

[St_Gabriel]

You don't get it do you? The link you posted doesn't work.

:facepalm:


It does for sane people....:shifty:


It worked for me.

Initially it didn't work for me but when I clicked the link a second time (from Madness' quote) all links worked...

First link redirected to http://www.legislation.govt.nz/errorpages/default.aspx?aspxerrorpath=/act/public/1998/0110/latest/DLM435099.html#DLM435099

Conspiracy or not?

[Mungatoke Mad]

What kind of road machine licence do you need to ride a Harley? 1 from a Weetbix box I suspect :laugh:

[Pseudonym]

During a random 3T a cop told me that they're doing a sting operation on bikers because many of them don't hold the right class of license for the bike they're riding.

Cool, ta for the answer. :niceone:

[Sliver]

First of all, this is not a gripe at the unfairness of life or how you are all out to get us poor innocent bikers.
It’s just a question, that is all.
I was stopped on my way home last night at a checkpoint, no drama I really don’t have an issue with it.
I was breath tested while another cop checked my rego and WoF, still no problem.
She also asked to check my licence, again, I do not have any problem with this! Just making sure those who are about to jump on me for complaining understand that I’m really not bothered!

The question is, when I’m in a car and get checked I don’t think I’ve ever been asked for my licence before.

Is this new for all those who are stopped or is it just to check right class of licence?

Just curious, if you are just checking bikes then that’s kinda understandable given the rules regarding cc rating etc.
If you are checking everyone then fair enough.
If you are just checking random people then that’s cool too.


Yep same, they dont even check the rego or wof of my cars left along my licence,

[scumdog]

Yep same, they dont even check the rego or wof of my cars left along my licence,

But one day...<_<

[PuppetMaster]

Weird, of the 356 times Ive been pulled over they always ask for the license.
I have been pulled randomly, just cause im on two wheels. One piglet wanted to have a look at my bike. Last time I was pulled over in Petone, they were pulling over all bikers, cause the porkers were handing out safe riding stuff to all bikers, makin sure we all have the right gear etc etc. I still use the CD he gave me as a coffee mat at work.

[mossy1200]

Weird, of the 356 times Ive been pulled over they always ask for the license.
I have been pulled randomly, just cause im on two wheels. One piglet wanted to have a look at my bike. Last time I was pulled over in Petone, they were pulling over all bikers, cause the porkers were handing out safe riding stuff to all bikers, makin sure we all have the right gear etc etc. I still use the CD he gave me as a coffee mat at work.


Free safe ride stuff.Can I phone ahead for new boots size 10.5 or is it lucky dip.

[PuppetMaster]

You can try. Call *555 and ask for Cunstable Baconinator.
Although, since then the POOilce seem more intesresting in empying your wallet than bike safety.

[jaffaonajappa]

Thanks for the legal advice. Here's some back. They are required to wear full uniform, or produce ID. Not both.

Land Transport Act 1998 Section 113 follows

13 Enforcement officers may enforce transport legislation
(1) An enforcement officer in uniform or in possession of a warrant or other evidence of his or her authority as an enforcement officer may enforce the provisions of—





If you asked me that I'd just say "no" and give you a :scratch::shifty: look.

It would take waaaay more than THAT to piss ME off:yes:

Never let it be said, the law is an arse. Never.
Heres a recent example of make believe cops. Should have insisted on seeing their ID, the uniform being all that is needed is bullshit.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/theft/news/article.cfm?c_id=344&objectid=10786109

[scumdog]

You can try. Call *555 and ask for Cunstable Baconinator.
Although, since then the POOilce seem more intesresting in empying your wallet than bike safety.

It only works if the 'Wanker-Detector'(tm) notices a 'Mr Loserator' type is trying to call Cunstable Bacontator...then it terminates the call...and the caller shortly after.

A win-win I'd say!

[scumdog]

Never let it be said, the law is an arse. Never.
Heres a recent example of make believe cops. Should have insisted on seeing their ID, the uniform being all that is needed is bullshit.

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Ah, ze public, zay are so gullible...no wonder zay get ze ripped-off zo easlily:crazy:

[oneofsix]

And how can they check if you have a licence without stopping you and actually talking to you? They have to see who the rider is before they can do the licence check. If they stopped doing that, every disqiualified driver would buy a bike, and ride around until they got their licence back, if ever.



Thanks for the legal advice. Here's some back. They are required to wear full uniform, or produce ID. Not both.

Still, my mates second cousin from Eketahuna says they have to carry their ID and have to show it to you when you ask. Also, he says they have to do 25 press ups if you ask them to, and clean your air filter. My mates second cousin says it, it must be true.


Land Transport Act 1998 Section 113 follows

13 Enforcement officers may enforce transport legislation
(1) An enforcement officer in uniform or in possession of a warrant or other evidence of his or her authority as an enforcement officer may enforce the provisions of—
(a) the Local Government Act 1974, the Local Government Act 2002, the Road User Charges Act 1977, the Public Transport Management Act 2008, the Government Roading Powers Act 1989, the Railways Act 2005, the Land Transport Management Act 2003, and this Act:
(b) regulations and rules and bylaws in force under any Acts mentioned in paragraph (a).

How do you tell that the person in the police uniform is an enforcement officer without seeing their ID?

[Zedder]

If you were a qualified, licenced tradesman working on a worksite, would you welcome the authorities checking everyone's credentials to ensure unqualified, unlicenced imposters were not allowed to pinch your work?

This should be the same with licence & rego checks to protect our enjoyable activities.

Totally agree.

[rastuscat]

Totally agree.

That's not the KB way.

[Zedder]

That's not the KB way.

Don't care.

[oneofsix]

Totally agree.


Originally Posted by nadroj
If you were a qualified, licenced tradesman working on a worksite, would you welcome the authorities checking everyone's credentials to ensure unqualified, unlicenced imposters were not allowed to pinch your work?

This should be the same with licence & rego checks to protect our enjoyable activities.

You two are implying that a tradesman's licence is just a tax. A tradesman's qualification equates with the driving licence as the both have a skill and knowledge test element.

Don't fall for the trap of grouping the licence with the registration. Registration is tax and nothing to do with skill or ability. Policing registration is therefore tax collection.

[Zedder]

You two are implying that a tradesman's licence is just a tax. A tradesman's qualification equates with the driving licence as the both have a skill and knowledge test element.

Don't fall for the trap of grouping the licence with the registration. Registration is tax and nothing to do with skill or ability. Policing registration is therefore tax collection.

Yes, registration is a tax and although way over priced, having it allows me to drive/ride lawfully.

[BoristheBiter]

You two are implying that a tradesman's licence is just a tax. A tradesman's qualification equates with the driving licence as the both have a skill and knowledge test element.

Don't fall for the trap of grouping the licence with the registration. Registration is tax and nothing to do with skill or ability. Policing registration is therefore tax collection.

A tradesman qualification has nothing to do with skill or ability either.

[Flip]

I utterley disagree.

Youn are obviously are not a tradesman!

[psykonosis]

Depends on the size of the engine.

There aren't any harleys under 250cc that can be ridden legally unless the rider hold a full motorbike licence in NZ are there?

[SMOKEU]

There aren't any harleys under 250cc that can be ridden legally unless the rider hold a full motorbike licence in NZ are there?

There are 250cc and 175cc Harleys out there, but they haven't been made for many years and are quite rare.

[psykonosis]

There are 250cc and 175cc Harleys out there, but they haven't been made for many years and are quite rare.

A good ol classic bike then aye. Yeah they wouldn't be common at all

[GingerMidget]

Yep, random checks are random.

I got one today, and he looked at the back of the bike "hey aren't you meant to have an L plate?"

Got off, looked at the back and the cable ties, and swore. He laughed and sent me on my way home after I said I had another couple of them at home. No ticket!

I was a bit lucky I think.

[jrandom]

I was a bit lucky I think.

It's not luck.

Girls on motorbikes don't get tickets. At least, not often.

I've never been pulled over for something on a motorbike and then not been ticketed, and most of my male motorcycling friends are in the same boat, but every female motorcyclist I know has had that happen multiple times [edit: well, at least once].

I suppose it's a whole lot easier to pass the attitude test when ten million years of evolution is telling the cop that he should try and make you like him.

We need more gay traffic cops.

[GingerMidget]

Apparently I practice my innocent face. At least according to my dad. He got pulled up in the ute for the exact same dumbarse thing I did a week later, but he got a fine. Me? I looked like I was about to cry and got away with it. I won't go on record, but it was stupid and I learned from it.

[FJRider]

Apparently I practice my innocent face. At least according to my dad. He got pulled up in the ute for the exact same dumbarse thing I did a week later, but he got a fine. Me? I looked like I was about to cry and got away with it. I won't go on record, but it was stupid and I learned from it.

Most cry online afterwards .... if works for you. :niceone:

[jrandom]

... it was stupid and I learned from it.

Mmyes.

I always boggle at the anecdotal reliability of the "oh shit, it must've fallen off in the last ten minutes" response to "where's your L plate?"

It seems to work every time. You'd think that at some point the general police consciousness would wise up to the fact that L plates shouldn't just fall off like that.

In fact, it wouldn't surprise me if an L plate falling off and the rider genuinely failing to notice that between then and when they got pulled over has never actually happened.

ratuscat, please tell me that you know of at least one occasion on which the mystical bullshit power of this story has failed to save a learner rider from a ticket for not complying with their licence conditions.

[scumdog]

Mmyes.

I always boggle at the anecdotal reliability of the "oh shit, it must've fallen off in the last ten minutes" response to "where's your L plate?"

It seems to work every time. You'd think that at some point the general police consciousness would wise up to the fact that L plates shouldn't just fall off like that.

In fact, it wouldn't surprise me if an L plate falling off and the rider genuinely failing to notice that between then and when they got pulled over has never actually happened.

ratuscat, please tell me that you know of at least one occasion on which the mystical bullshit power of this story has failed to save a learner rider from a ticket for not complying with their licence conditions.

My tuppence-worth: If I suspect the 'oh it's fallen off and I didn't know' is bullshit I give them a compliance ticket - turn up at the cop shop with a new 'L' plate fitted and all will be sweet.

[jrandom]

My tuppence-worth: If I suspect the 'oh it's fallen off and I didn't know' is bullshit I give them a compliance ticket - turn up at the cop shop with a new 'L' plate fitted and all will be sweet.

Personally, were I a cop, I suspect I'd be more likely to ticket them if they tried the story, purely out of irritation at the attempt to bullshit me.

You're a tolerant man.

[jrandom]

I mean, how do you even attach an L plate to a bike in a way that makes it possible for it to fall off?

Blu-Tack?

[FJRider]

I mean, how do you even attach an L plate to a bike in a way that makes it possible for it to fall off?

Blu-Tack?

Keep it in your bag ... as proof ... "it just fell off a few km's back" ...

[jrandom]

Keep it in your bag ... as proof ... "it just fell off a few km's back" ...

Exactly. This is why I'd treat any "it fell off" story as an aggravating factor warranting a flinging of the book.

Just man up and say you're riding without it because it's gay.

[GingerMidget]

Well given I still had part of the plate attatched to the cable ties, and it was there when I left the gas station but I didn't check upon leaving the supermarket, the logical assumption would be I'm not just going without cos its gay eh?

Besides, whats gayer than a borrowed gn250?

[Kickaha]

Besides, whats gayer than a borrowed gn250?

A borrowed GN125?

[jrandom]

Well given I still had part of the plate attatched to the cable ties, and it was there when I left the gas station but I didn't check upon leaving the supermarket, the logical assumption would be I'm not just going without cos its gay eh?

People who carefully construct physical evidence to support their story can only expect extra punishment.

What took the majority of the plate off, a rogue angle grinder flying through the air?


Besides, whats gayer than a borrowed gn250?

<img src="http://i39.tinypic.com/r0zekj.jpg"/>

[FJRider]

Exactly. This is why I'd treat any "it fell off" story as an aggravating factor warranting a flinging of the book.



About as aggravating as "I had no idea how fast I was going" ... or "it was only a few k's over" ...

[GingerMidget]

People who carefully construct physical evidence to support their story can only expect extra punishment.

What took the majority of the plate off, a rogue angle grinder flying through the air?


>

Given it was newtown, where do you think it went? I certainly don't ride around without an L plate if I can help it. I'm quite proud of the fact I've even got a bike learners. Thats something a lot of people don't have, and took me quite some time to get around to doing. So to me, that little square of yellow plastic is a badge of pride. A subconcious show of growing up.

[jrandom]

I certainly don't ride around without an L plate if I can help it. I'm quite proud of the fact I've even got a bike learners. Thats something a lot of people don't have, and took me quite some time to get around to doing. So to me, that little square of yellow plastic is a badge of pride. A subconcious show of growing up.

You don't find that drivers are more aggressive around you? I've always felt that L plates basically put a motorcyclist in danger of being tailgated, sideswiped and generally monstered on city streets.

The only time I ever wore one was for my restricted licence test.

[FJRider]

Given it was newtown, where do you think it went? I certainly don't ride around without an L plate if I can help it. I'm quite proud of the fact I've even got a bike learners. Thats something a lot of people don't have, and took me quite some time to get around to doing. So to me, that little square of yellow plastic is a badge of pride. A subconcious show of growing up.

Newtown ... that explains it ... I dont go there even in daylight ... :eek:

[GingerMidget]

I only go there cos it has a maccas

[Mom]

I mean, how do you even attach an L plate to a bike in a way that makes it possible for it to fall off?

Blu-Tack?

Easy. One bolt through it, then you tear it backwards and forwards, placing extreme pressure on the cut you have already made in it, rinse and repeat until the poor mounting hole is very flogged out and begins to tear. Then you simply rip the fucker off :rolleyes:

Looks a bit like it simply tore off :innocent:

But only in your eyes, plod sees it for what it is. If you are lucky you get told off and laughed at, depends on what you are riding and your attitude I guess DAMHIK

[FJRider]

I only go there cos it has a maccas

Careful ... too many visits and you'll have a body we can admire from afar. Cause we can SEE it from afar ... :doh:

[GingerMidget]

I dress like a butch lesbo. Nobody admires me :p

My L plate was the one I took outta my car the day I got my restricted, and just took to work one day and attacked with the hole punch. It seems to work ok, but the cage plates are a bit thinner I think. Or mine were a bit old.

[FJRider]

I dress like a butch lesbo.:p



Pic's or it doesn't happen ... :blip:

[SMOKEU]

I've never been pulled over for something on a motorbike and then not been ticketed, and most of my male motorcycling friends are in the same boat, but every female motorcyclist I know has had that happen multiple times [edit: well, at least once].


I've been stopped riding motorbikes by cops at least 5 times and never been given any infringement notices or worse. Been let off with no L plate as well when I got pulled over by a full car load of cops.

[GingerMidget]

Pic's or it doesn't happen ... :blip:

You first

[jrandom]

I've been stopped riding motorbikes by cops at least 5 times and never been given any infringement notices

You're obviously a gay cop magnet.

[SMOKEU]

You're obviously a gay cop magnet.

Or maybe I just don't do stupid shit in front of cops.

[jrandom]

Or maybe I just don't do stupid shit in front of cops.

You're getting pulled up for not doing stupid shit?

[BoristheBiter]

I utterley disagree.

Youn are obviously are not a tradesman!

Actually I am, also have my master trade, I also employ only tradesman so I do know what I am talking about when I say its got nothing to do with skill or ability.

[SMOKEU]

You're getting pulled up for not doing stupid shit?

Random traffic stops and checkpoints. Ride around in the early hours of the morning and you'll probably get pulled over by the first cop that sees you, especially on weekends.

[jrandom]

Random traffic stops and checkpoints. Ride around in the early hours of the morning and you'll probably get pulled over by the first cop that sees you, especially on weekends.

Perhaps I should've clarified my original post, then.

I was talking about being pulled over for an actual infringement and then let off with a warning.

[SMOKEU]

Perhaps I should've clarified my original post, then.

I was talking about being pulled over for an actual infringement and then let off with a warning.

Fair enough. Only happened to me once on a bike and many times in cars.

[GSF]

Exactly. This is why I'd treat any "it fell off" story as an aggravating factor warranting a flinging of the book.

Just man up and say you're riding without it because it's gay.

The only time I got pulled over on my learner's was when I didn't see and failed to give way to an unmarked police car. :facepalm:

The copper pulled me over, gave me a tongue-lashing regarding how fucking dumb my actions were (he was a bike cop) then checked out my bike. He asked where my L-plates were and I decided to stop looking any dumber, I should just own up and say I left them off because they're gay and my friends laugh at me. Copper appreciated the honesty.

I didn't get written up for anything.