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Maido
26th January 2012, 08:35
Seriously not trying to create a shit storm here, but I was just entering the Hampton Downs round of the nationals and noticed that the entry fee here was quite a large sum ($110) larger than the other rounds. I would assume this is due to HD being pricey to hire, would this be the correct assumption?
Don't get me wrong, I think we have relatively cheap racing here, but just wanted to know why this round was particularly higher than the others.
Also, what does the unnofficial practice cost?

FYI
one class entries for nats
Ruapuna $180
Levels $160
Teretonga $180
H Downs $290
Taupo $130

Cheers
Jeremy

jellywrestler
26th January 2012, 08:43
Will be dearer for you overall per lap to; what with only getting half races in...


Ask someone that does economics and get them to explain that Teretonga is 40 something years old and paid for long time ago whereas HD is still being built and that may explain track hireage fee difference too

Billy
26th January 2012, 08:51
Yes,It is very expensive,However there are most likely to be good reasons for that.

AMCC are the organising commitee for this round and only they will know the correct answer,Anything else will be hearsay.

But hey,This is Kiwibiker,Can't wait to see where this goes LOL!

MSTRS
26th January 2012, 09:00
Ask someone that does economics and get them to explain that Teretonga is 40 something years old and paid for long time ago whereas HD is still being built and that may explain track hireage fee difference too

Essentially correct. TD's at HD are way more expensive than anywhere else too.

Although, why is Taupo so cheap then? It's still a fairly new track and is prolly still being paid for.

quallman1234
26th January 2012, 09:08
Hampton downs also includes a half day test day on the friday does it not?

CHOPPA
26th January 2012, 11:24
Hampton downs also includes a half day test day on the friday does it not?

I would doubt that...

ellipsis
26th January 2012, 11:35
...another perspective to view from could be...we are blessed to be able to get away with it all being so cheap down here in good old fucked up NZ...price disparities come at you from all angles...why is a big glass of beer five bucks in one bar and a smaller one nine bucks in another...mysteries of life...

quallman1234
26th January 2012, 13:30
I would doubt that...

Why does it say "Friday 16th to Sunday 18th"? Confusing...???

256076

Maido
26th January 2012, 13:36
Will be dearer for you overall per lap to; what with only getting half races in...

Touche, well played!



Ask someone that does economics and get them to explain that Teretonga is 40 something years old and paid for long time ago whereas HD is still being built and that may explain track hireage fee difference too

That makes perfect sense, funny, for some reason I completely forgot how new the place is!
As I said earlier, I have no problem with what we pay here, we are very lucky from some stories I have heard.
Looking forward to heading up there come March.

neil_cb125t
26th January 2012, 14:39
Interesting as Taupo is the cheapest.....

Wait to you look at hiring a garage at HD - last year they wanted $450 per garage per day.....:shit:

Bykmad
26th January 2012, 16:12
Interesting as Taupo is the cheapest.....

Wait to you look at hiring a garage at HD - last year they wanted $450 per garage per day.....:shit:

Yup, and when you think that you can easily get 6 bikes in a garage, suddenly not so bad.

The South island Tracks are awfully cheap to hire by comparison with HD, Pukekohe and Manfeild. Would appear that a good price was offered to get the Final round of the champs at Taupo too. Don't know what the price of a Paramedic unit is down south, but up in the North here it is around $800 per day. And you need two of them.
The Auckland Club took a bath on last years Championship round (In the vicinity of 20 K) and that was with charging the extortionate entry fees.
The more competitors that enter, the lower the cost can go, but when you get up to twice the entries at a club day than you get at Nationals, you have to ask the question. Why????

wayne
26th January 2012, 16:46
$675 a round in aussy ,
garage ontop of that,

sharky
26th January 2012, 16:48
Interesting as Taupo is the cheapest.....

Wait to you look at hiring a garage at HD - last year they wanted $450 per garage per day.....:shit:

Yeah and if it rains, you don't stay any drier than if you were sitting outside:facepalm:

lostinflyz
26th January 2012, 16:49
The Auckland Club took a bath on last years Championship round (In the vicinity of 20 K) and that was with charging the extortionate entry fees.
The more competitors that enter, the lower the cost can go, but when you get up to twice the entries at a club day than you get at Nationals, you have to ask the question. Why????

Thats a catch 22, if you ramp the price up you would expect fewer entries, not more....

not moaning, just stating.

on a moaning note - 450 bucks a day for a leaky garage you have to share with 6 stinky others does not fall into my not so bad category.......

Kiwi Graham
26th January 2012, 16:58
I'll try and give some insight into the cost of running a national event at HD.

$60,086.75c is what the final cost of the two and a half days of hire for last years nationals, covering the cost of a broom hire to the cost of circuit hire and everything in between.

Bykmad is correct, we lost nearly 20k last year on the event. oh and a paramedic is $1,300 a day :gob: and we use two fully crewed ambulances, you can do the maths.

The event continuing to be held at Hampton Downs will depend on so much more than race entries, we are taking a different approach this year (details will follow in the not too distant future). The way of commerce now means to run an event at a venue such as HD the costs can no longer be met by race entry fees as events over the years have.
The entry price for this event clearly does not cover the cost of the event but........as I have stated a different approach will be taken this year in attracting the whole family to attend and most importantly getting value for their ticket price. boosting spectator entries and increasing revenue is the only way the event can become viable.

You guys down south are very lucky to have circuits available at the costs you do, up here we no longer do, just ask the Orion club what Manfield left them with last season. In my view it was the best event of the season with a good crowd, awesome weather and entry list but they left in the red on the day. Simply put it aint cheap up here guys but we will try our best at making it work now and in the future and hopefully the cost of entry (and gate price) can come down with confidence that the general public will attend in numbers and effectively subsidise the costs for everyone.

KG

jellywrestler
26th January 2012, 17:14
on a moaning note - 450 bucks a day for a leaky garage you have to share with 6 stinky others does not fall into my not so bad category.......
Well don't pit with the 125 guys then!

RDjase
26th January 2012, 18:21
I'll try and give some insight into the cost of running a national event at HD.

$60,086.75c is what the final cost of the two and a half days of hire for last years nationals, covering the cost of a broom hire to the cost of circuit hire and everything in between.

Bykmad is correct, we lost nearly 20k last year on the event. oh and a paramedic is $1,300 a day :gob: and we use two fully crewed ambulances, you can do the maths.

The event continuing to be held at Hampton Downs will depend on so much more than race entries, we are taking a different approach this year (details will follow in the not too distant future). The way of commerce now means to run an event at a venue such as HD the costs can no longer be met by race entry fees as events over the years have.
The entry price for this event clearly does not cover the cost of the event but........as I have stated a different approach will be taken this year in attracting the whole family to attend and most importantly getting value for their ticket price. boosting spectator entries and increasing revenue is the only way the event can become viable.

You guys down south are very lucky to have circuits available at the costs you do, up here we no longer do, just ask the Orion club what Manfield left them with last season. In my view it was the best event of the season with a good crowd, awesome weather and entry list but they left in the red on the day. Simply put it aint cheap up here guys but we will try our best at making it work now and in the future and hopefully the cost of entry (and gate price) can come down with confidence that the general public will attend in numbers and effectively subsidise the costs for everyone.

KG

Hi KG, you sound like you know what is happening

Is there a mistake on the entry form?

No Superlite/F3?


CLASSES ENTRY FEE TO PAY
NEW ZEALAND CHAMPIONSHIP CLASSES
Superbike, 600 Supersport, Superstock 600, Prolite, 650 Pro Twin, 125 GP,
Sidecars.
$290
$
SUPPORT CLASSES
Post Classics (Junior, Senior, pre ‘73, pre ’82, pre ’89) BEARS, Clubmans,
250 Superlite
$150


No StreetStock 150 either? Has been good entrys in the South Island rounds and really close racing

and what is 250 Superlite?

Billy
26th January 2012, 21:15
Hi KG, you sound like you know what is happening

Is there a mistake on the entry form?

No Superlite/F3?



No StreetStock 150 either? Has been good entrys in the South Island rounds and really close racing

and what is 250 Superlite?

No the wrong edition of the entry form was initially put up,I have forwarded them the correct one this afternoon as soon as it arrived,So it should be up there by now.

But still no streetstock,The 250 superlite class is the Hyosung cup and is being run as a replacement for the 150s,I sent you a text on Monday night as I recall stating there was no 150 class

RDjase
27th January 2012, 06:39
No the wrong edition of the entry form was initially put up,I have forwarded them the correct one this afternoon as soon as it arrived,So it should be up there by now.

But still no streetstock,The 250 superlite class is the Hyosung cup and is being run as a replacement for the 150s,I sent you a text on Monday night as I recall stating there was no 150 class

Went home via the West Coast and the car phone charger shit itself. Got your txt now, and heaps of others. Been quite good without a fone

The Prolite entrys will be huge as all the Hyosung Cup bike will cross enter

Stink there is no 150's tho, Tyler will do the F4 GP and SS150 at Taupo, I might do SS150 on the spare bike

Kiwi Graham
27th January 2012, 06:53
Hi KG, you sound like you know what is happening

Is there a mistake on the entry form?

No Superlite/F3?



No StreetStock 150 either? Has been good entrys in the South Island rounds and really close racing

and what is 250 Superlite?

Hi RD, here is the link to the entry form http://www.mnz.co.nz/download/2012_NZ_RR_Champs_Round_4_HamptonDowns_EF.pdf
Which includes F3. The 250's are the HYosungs.

jellywrestler
27th January 2012, 06:55
Stink there is no 150's tho,
Sheesh, no wonder the younger generation speak like they do! BTW has Arnie made it back home yet?

Shorty_925
27th January 2012, 07:02
Dont think the form is updated as yet.

p.dath
27th January 2012, 07:05
Completely outside my area; but $110 doesn't sound like that much for what your getting. You can't even buy one tyre for that much.

nodrog
27th January 2012, 07:16
Completely outside my area; but $110 doesn't sound like that much for what your getting. You can't even buy one tyre for that much.

its $110 extra, not $110 total.

RobGassit
27th January 2012, 07:33
At least the North Island tracks have flushing toilets.:facepalm: At Teretonga they have the Taj Mahal Tower for half a dozen knobs to sit in while the paddock who paid to be there use plastic short drops. Third world shit. Pun intended.

GirrlRacer
27th January 2012, 10:50
Went home via the West Coast and the car phone charger shit itself. Got your txt now, and heaps of others. Been quite good without a fone

The Prolite entrys will be huge as all the Hyosung Cup bike will cross enter

Stink there is no 150's tho, Tyler will do the F4 GP and SS150 at Taupo, I might do SS150 on the spare bike me and dad will be at taupo aswel in SS150 :)

Billy
27th January 2012, 11:56
Dont think the form is updated as yet.

Yes it is,The version that came up this morning is the correct one.

wharfy
27th January 2012, 12:13
The more competitors that enter, the lower the cost can go, but when you get up to twice the entries at a club day than you get at Nationals, you have to ask the question. Why????

There is a limited number of National level racers - about a dozen or so in each class :)

Billy
27th January 2012, 14:34
There is a limited number of National level racers - about a dozen or so in each class :)

BOLLOCKS!!!!

Classic example,Dean Bentley,3 weeks ago club racer,Now Nationals racer running 2nd in his class,Sam Croft,Chris Osborne,Andrew Croft,Hugh Trenholme,Haydn Hutchinson..........

The ONLY difference is having the will to win and the dedication to do the hard yards to get there without focussing on the fact they could well have ended up last,End of the day,Somebodys gotta

Bykmad
27th January 2012, 14:34
There is a limited number of National level racers - about a dozen or so in each class :)

So my Question now is "Why do we have 5 rounds of National Championship events for about 50 riders?" No meeting could possibly break even, let alone make a small profit for the organising clubs. Why not two "Major" meetings, One South Island (GP), One North Island (TT), and make it a "Festival" of Top Level Road Racing, making it attractive for EVERYONE to race at, do major publicity, get TV, and put on a big professional show. You never know, you may even attract some spectators. Just a thought.

RobGassit
27th January 2012, 14:42
Phuck me here we go again!:facepalm:

p.dath
27th January 2012, 14:43
So my Question now is "Why do we have 5 rounds of National Championship events for about 50 riders?" No meeting could possibly break even, let alone make a small profit for the organising clubs. Why not two "Major" meetings, One South Island (GP), One North Island (TT), and make it a "Festival" of Top Level Road Racing, making it attractive for EVERYONE to race at, do major publicity, get TV, and put on a big professional show. You never know, you may even attract some spectators. Just a thought.

Considering that motorbike racing is not a professional sport in NZ (as in, 99% of those involved could not make a living from doing only that activity), it would seem most people do it for the enjoyment.

That being the case, what seems like more fun, 2 races a year or 5 races a year? Maybe I'm missing something.

CHOPPA
27th January 2012, 15:25
No one races at the nats cause are soft. Make entry free and you will still only get the same guys racing

Bykmad
27th January 2012, 15:49
No one races at the nats cause are soft. Make entry free and you will still only get the same guys racing

Which backs up my arguement. There is still the Tri Series, Street circuits, Club Series etc.

oscarnz
27th January 2012, 20:51
Essentially correct. TD's at HD are way more expensive than anywhere else too.

Although, why is Taupo so cheap then? It's still a fairly new track and is prolly still being paid for.

Taupo is so reasonable cause PMCC got a very good deal on hireage of track.
Much cheaper than what Manfield wanted to charge.

Kickaha
27th January 2012, 21:04
No one races at the nats cause are soft. Make entry free and you will still only get the same guys racing

Pretty much nailed it

Yow Ling
27th January 2012, 21:11
At least the North Island tracks have flushing toilets.:facepalm: At Teretonga they have the Taj Mahal Tower for half a dozen knobs to sit in while the paddock who paid to be there use plastic short drops. Third world shit. Pun intended.

Same as parts of Christchurch, cant be that bad then

Foxzee
27th January 2012, 21:23
The ongoing ....worst than Coro this saga will continue....the Clubs that puts hand up to hold these event's need to be applauded!

wharfy
27th January 2012, 23:59
BOLLOCKS!!!!

Classic example,Dean Bentley,3 weeks ago club racer,Now Nationals racer running 2nd in his class,Sam Croft,Chris Osborne,Andrew Croft,Hugh Trenholme,Haydn Hutchinson..........

The ONLY difference is having the will to win and the dedication to do the hard yards to get there without focussing on the fact they could well have ended up last,End of the day,Somebodys gotta

Well having bollocks alone does not make you a National level racer :)
I don't know all of those people but the ones I do know (the first four) I would consider National level racers i.e. they would probably make the 115% cut off in their class and are not just there for a giggle.

How many NZ superbike riders can stay on the same lap as Stroud for more than 7 laps ? There is a difference between coming last (which I do often) and being a mobile chicane (which I have been on occasion). You don't want to be doing the latter at the Nationals and potentially stuff up someones shot at the title (in any class).

lostinflyz
28th January 2012, 07:00
How many NZ superbike riders can stay on the same lap as Stroud for more than 7 laps ? There is a difference between coming last (which I do often) and being a mobile chicane (which I have been on occasion). You don't want to be doing the latter at the Nationals and potentially stuff up someones shot at the title (in any class).

if you can qaulify or get close you should do it. Stuffing up someones race is actually quite hard........he is going 15% quicker than you, and wants to win. When you get lapped at nats theres no fucking about, there usually so much quicker there isn't enough time for you to stuff up someones race.

and yep mistakes happen but they happen up the pointy end alot more than the arse end.....

oh and finally on the toliets, i would rather be forced to shit in my leathers all weekend and race at invercargill, a glorious track to race on, than have a golden throne at manfield....

jellywrestler
28th January 2012, 09:13
Well having bollocks alone does not make you a National level racer :)
I don't know all of those people but the ones I do know (the first four) I would consider National level racers i.e. they would probably make the 115% cut off in their class and are not just there for a giggle.

How many NZ superbike riders can stay on the same lap as Stroud for more than 7 laps ? There is a difference between coming last (which I do often) and being a mobile chicane (which I have been on occasion). You don't want to be doing the latter at the Nationals and potentially stuff up someones shot at the title (in any class).
true, see Slowpokes take on it all in ride report section, he's got to go and race and see how the big boys do it between his races and been part of the whole scene.

wharfy
28th January 2012, 09:51
true, see Slowpokes take on it all in ride report section, he's got to go and race and see how the big boys do it between his races and been part of the whole scene.

Oh yeah I read his report - excellent - I'd be into doing clubman's (or BEARS) at some National rounds (when I'm gainfully employed ) :)

CHOPPA
28th January 2012, 14:02
Lapped traffic is always challenging but it is part of racing. I would encourage everyone that is close to the 115% to race

brads
28th January 2012, 15:00
Well having bollocks alone does not make you a National level racer :)
I don't know all of those people but the ones I do know (the first four) I would consider National level racers i.e. they would probably make the 115% cut off in their class and are not just there for a giggle.

How many NZ superbike riders can stay on the same lap as Stroud for more than 7 laps ? There is a difference between coming last (which I do often) and being a mobile chicane (which I have been on occasion). You don't want to be doing the latter at the Nationals and potentially stuff up someones shot at the title (in any class).

Sorry mate but thats just being soft,a lot of people on here wank on about how fast they are but do not race the nationals cause people will see they are not as fast as they say,when i first went to a nationals round in 95? Joey Dunlop was out here racing on his trick RS250,i had a bog stock 88 RS,all the guys that i had raced with during the winter didnt show up and i remember thinking shit im going to get a hiding but what happened was racing with faster guys improves your riding and my lap times were way faster than i had ever done...still got a hiding but who gives a shit when your riding faster than you ever have,Choppa's right,free entry still wont get the club day champs along,wish i had an answer for it..........

wharfy
28th January 2012, 15:55
Sorry mate but thats just being soft,a lot of people on here wank on about how fast they are but do not race the nationals cause people will see they are not as fast as they say,when i first went to a nationals round in 95? Joey Dunlop was out here racing on his trick RS250,i had a bog stock 88 RS,all the guys that i had raced with during the winter didnt show up and i remember thinking shit im going to get a hiding but what happened was racing with faster guys improves your riding and my lap times were way faster than i had ever done...still got a hiding but who gives a shit when your riding faster than you ever have,Choppa's right,free entry still wont get the club day champs along,wish i had an answer for it..........

NZ is a small country there is probably only a couple of hundred people that race on any sort of regular basis. Take the top 20% and you only have 40 riders. We just have to accept that we are only going to get a dozen or so riders in any class that will be in the points.

Choppa is a club champ, (Vic Club Winter Series 2010) I have raced with him on numerous occasions, that's how I know that I am not a national level rider. There are lots of racers that do the street meetings and know that they are going to have there arse whipped in front of MUCH bigger crowds than ever show up at the Nationals (I'm one) It is not about being embarrassed it is about whether or not you consider yourself a National level rider (well for me anyway) I'm not soft - just slow, and I'd rather the Nationals had small fields of competitive riders than fill the grids with duffers like myself. I believe that the Nationals should be about quality - not quantity and at the pointy end the racing is fucking great ! You can race year round in NZ if you want to - and have all the fun you can afford.

Kiwi Graham
28th January 2012, 16:24
Well I’ve ridden at national level both here and overseas.
Riding at that level improves your lap times without a doubt, to improve you have to learn and who better to learn from than from the guy you have been following, until you pass him and are on to the next and so on. If you can qualify within the 115% rule then your plenty fast enough to be out there. The more that do it the more racing throughout the field will be available for spectators to watch.

NZ nationals are full of talent all the way through the field; you will find someone to race with if you’re on compatible machines. Unfortunately last year I built a Superstock 1000 for this new low cost class I appeared to be the only one that did so had a lonely time out there, 40-50+bhp is a lot to give up! Even so I scored points and finished above others in the champs :) (The engine is currently being pepped up by Mr Cole as I type) so I’ll be there again.

You can pick up a 1-2 year old superbike for what it cost me to build mine, so quick bikes are out there. Speak to Ray Clee, Brian Bernard or Tony Rees. Dan borrowed his bike back that was sold ‘cheap as’ last autumn to a club racer and it’s still competitive.

It doesn’t matter what class your bike is there is nearly always somebody faster than you and also nearly always someone to have a race with at your pace. It about being out there and doing it, shits and giggles might be all you’re in it for but believe it or not everybody’s in it because it’s what they have a passion to do, more the merrier I say.

Bykmad
28th January 2012, 22:30
Well said Graham.
Not everyone has the natural talent of a Stroud, Cole, Bugden, Shirriffs, Smith, Clee, etc. Not everyone has access to the finance or family support to assist as these guys either, but, the opportunity to race against these guys can help ANY competitor to improve their skills. By racing at three race meetings in three weeks down south and then two in a row in the North Island competitors will find that their race skills improve by a big percentage. The amount that a racer can learn in 5 race meetings (Road Race Championship) with these guys is unbelievable, but competitors seem to be in the head space that they want to be big fish in the little pond of club racing rather than to make the effort to be the best racer they can be by racing in the Nationals with the best in this country. Come on guys, you may not be able to beat Stroud, Bugden, Cole, Charlett, Skachill, etc now, but you can learn and maybe, just maybe, learn enough to race with these guys.

Sketchy_Racer
29th January 2012, 00:41
Yep, fast guys were once slow as wet weeks too, only way to get better is to be out there in the deep end learning how to swim.

wharfy
29th January 2012, 12:26
Well I’ve ridden at national level both here and overseas.
Riding at that level improves your lap times without a doubt, to improve you have to learn and who better to learn from than from the guy you have been following, until you pass him and are on to the next and so on. If you can qualify within the 115% rule then your plenty fast enough to be out there. The more that do it the more racing throughout the field will be available for spectators to watch.

NZ nationals are full of talent all the way through the field; you will find someone to race with if you’re on compatible machines. Unfortunately last year I built a Superstock 1000 for this new low cost class I appeared to be the only one that did so had a lonely time out there, 40-50+bhp is a lot to give up! Even so I scored points and finished above others in the champs :) (The engine is currently being pepped up by Mr Cole as I type) so I’ll be there again.

You can pick up a 1-2 year old superbike for what it cost me to build mine, so quick bikes are out there. Speak to Ray Clee, Brian Bernard or Tony Rees. Dan borrowed his bike back that was sold ‘cheap as’ last autumn to a club racer and it’s still competitive.

It doesn’t matter what class your bike is there is nearly always somebody faster than you and also nearly always someone to have a race with at your pace. It about being out there and doing it, shits and giggles might be all you’re in it for but believe it or not everybody’s in it because it’s what they have a passion to do, more the merrier I say.

Yep ! All that is true - the crucial bit (from my point of view anyway) is the "if you can qualify" :) What is 115% of 66 seconds ? (that's about the time Sketchy and them take to lap Manfield isn't is ?)

Mental Trousers
29th January 2012, 12:30
1:15.9 <_<

wharfy
29th January 2012, 13:13
1:15.9 <_<

Hmmm... my best ever time round there is 1:16.1xx Getting close :)

Billy
29th January 2012, 14:10
Hmmm... my best ever time round there is 1:16.1xx Getting close :)

See,I told you,Nobodys gonna stop you lining up on the grid over .2 of a sec,So you are a national level rider.

All you gotta do now is take out the 3 necessary mortgages and start working the 4 jobs required to do it all,LOL

Mental Trousers
29th January 2012, 14:19
See,I told you,Nobodys gonna stop you lining up on the grid over .2 of a sec,So you are a national level rider.

All you gotta do now is take out the 3 necessary mortgages and start working the 4 jobs required to do it all,LOL

See it's that sort of thing that makes me think I should've listened to my mother - find a rich old girl with a heart condition.

lukemillar
30th January 2012, 10:23
NZ is a small country there is probably only a couple of hundred people that race on any sort of regular basis. Take the top 20% and you only have 40 riders. We just have to accept that we are only going to get a dozen or so riders in any class that will be in the points.

Choppa is a club champ, (Vic Club Winter Series 2010) I have raced with him on numerous occasions, that's how I know that I am not a national level rider. There are lots of racers that do the street meetings and know that they are going to have there arse whipped in front of MUCH bigger crowds than ever show up at the Nationals (I'm one) It is not about being embarrassed it is about whether or not you consider yourself a National level rider (well for me anyway) I'm not soft - just slow, and I'd rather the Nationals had small fields of competitive riders than fill the grids with duffers like myself. I believe that the Nationals should be about quality - not quantity and at the pointy end the racing is fucking great ! You can race year round in NZ if you want to - and have all the fun you can afford.

PMCC are running their 4th round of the summer series and the Taupo round of the Nationals as the same event. I'd be really interested to see if that gets some bigger and more varied fields across all the classes or whether the club racers will just stay away.

sharky
30th January 2012, 12:23
PMCC are running their 4th round of the summer series and the Taupo round of the Nationals as the same event. I'd be really interested to see if that gets some bigger and more varied fields across all the classes or whether the club racers will just stay away.


Well I have entered because of it, and also because the entry fee is bloody cheap for a NI national round. I'm just a muppet club racer so come on guys, get involved!:scooter:

lukemillar
30th January 2012, 13:51
Well I have entered because of it, and also because the entry fee is bloody cheap for a NI national round. I'm just a muppet club racer so come on guys, get involved!:scooter:

Me too! Have been waiting for the entry forms. March 25th should give me plenty of time to fix the bike...... :yes: