Right Thinkers dumber then Left Thinkers

[mashman]

Who would have thought eh (http://news.yahoo.com/low-iq-conservative-beliefs-linked-prejudice-180403506.html)

[Crasherfromwayback]

Probably written by a leftie that feels a little insecure about themselves.

[mashman]

Probably written by a leftie that feels a little insecure about themselves.

denial eh... another trait

[Crasherfromwayback]

denial eh... another trait

For any such thing there is always an argument just as sound written by someone from the right. Bit like global warming SORRY climate change etc. Myself, I couldn't give a flying fuck who leans left, right or otherwise. I don't care if people are smarter or not as smart as myself. As I've said elsewhere. If you want to always compare yourself to others, you'll forever be disappointed. Best not to.

[eelracing]

denial eh... another trait

Academic bullshit justifying some lunchbox lancers salary...stop reading this crap Mashman.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Academic bullshit justifying some lunchbox lancers salary...stop reading this crap Mashman.

Bit insecure himself I'd say.

[mashman]

Bit insecure himself I'd say.

true, but at least there are scientists highlighting that those who are overconfident are thick and vote national because they know no better, or at least can't reason any further (especially if they were against asset sales and still vote national)... if that's the alternative I'd rather stay insecure.

[Crasherfromwayback]

are thick and vote national .

Mate...I know plenty of dummies that vote labour don't worry. I find it funny that the so called more intelligent people are finding the fact the National got back in so hard to accept. I would've thought they were smart enough to just let it go. The ability to simply move on and get on with life is obviously not a traight the super intelligent are armed with.

[shrub]

For any such thing there is always an argument just as sound written by someone from the right. Bit like global warming SORRY climate change etc.

Really? Can you support that position, or is it simply based on what you want things to be? Kind of like climate change. The evidence supporting the reality of climate change, and of the significance of the impact of human activity on that change is overwhelming, and despite there being no substantive arguments against that position, people still insist that it's a scam of some form. Why? I believe it's because they are scared that climate change will impact on their lifestyle, usually by making them pay more tax, so they are desperate to deny it and will believe any argument, regardless of how spurious that argument.

And from observing the KB messageboards, us lefties are definitely smarter than right whingers.

[SMOKEU]

That article is bullshit. It's due to left wing, tree hugging hippies like John Key that this country is fucked. JK and his supporters pretend to be right wing, but he's a Jew so he's as far left as they come.

It's these fuckwits who encourage mass immigration of people from third world countries and having a pathetic criminal justice system that are contributing to the demise of NZ as we know it. Violent crime and theft is increasing, but are too dumb to see a problem that is right in front of them.

[shrub]

That article is bullshit. It's due to left wing, tree hugging hippies like John Key that this country is fucked. JK and his supporters pretend to be right wing, but he's a Jew so he's as far left as they come.

It's these fuckwits who encourage mass immigration of people from third world countries and having a pathetic criminal justice system that are contributing to the demise of NZ as we know it. Violent crime and theft is increasing, but are too dumb to see a problem that is right in front of them.

That is an incredibly compelling argument in support of the thread topic. Did you write that to intentionally make right wing people seem stupid as some kind of ironic statement, or is it what you actually think? In fact, do you think? Ever?

[nodrog]

But what sort of Motorcycles do they ride?

[Str8 Jacket]

But what sort of Motorcycles do they ride?

Righties - goldwings and lefties - harleys

[nodrog]

Righties - goldwings and lefties - harleys

thanks for that :scooter:

[Crasherfromwayback]

Really? Can you support that position, or is it simply based on what you want things to be?


And from observing the KB messageboards, us lefties are definitely smarter than right whingers.

Actually...it was a wind up.

Nope...still the lefties whinging about Labour losing, not the other way round! Still can't seem to get over it!!!

[MisterD]

true, but at least there are scientists highlighting that those who are overconfident are thick and vote national because they know no better

Except that the study you're referring to is American, and most of their democrats are to the right of our Nats, at least in terms of economic policy. You don't have the same correlation here between social conservatism and the left/right split. National, Labour and Winnie all have big chunks of socially conservative voters.

[shrub]

Actually...it was a wind up.

Nope...still the lefties whinging about Labour losing, not the other way round! Still can't seem to get over it!!!

Ah yes, the old "I didn't actually mean that, i was taking the piss" retreat. Probably the only response open to you.

I don't think anyone actually thought Labour would do anything other than lose. All the lefties I know are pretty relaxed about it, but we are all rather worried that we have a government that has absolutely no ideas and lacks the balls to do anything beyond selling shit and cutting spending.

[shrub]

Except that the study you're referring to is American, and most of their democrats are to the right of our Nats, at least in terms of economic policy. You don't have the same correlation here between social conservatism and the left/right split. National, Labour and Winnie all have big chunks of socially conservative voters.

The reality is that the left-right continuum is largely irrelevant these days and has little real meaning beyond places like the KB messageboards.

[misterO]

I think he meant to say right thinkers dumber THAN left thinkers...

[Crasherfromwayback]

Ah yes, the old "I didn't actually mean that, i was taking the piss" retreat. Probably the only response open to you.

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I think you're simply ashamed to admit you took the bait like a starved Groper. Because you'd be too intelligent for that one.

[shrub]

I think you're simply ashamed to admit you took the bait like a starved Groper. Because you'd be too intelligent for that one.

Or are you wishing you hadn't put up such a big old target for me? :sunny: If you were "baiting" me, what are you going to do beyond saying "I was only taking the piss"?

It's like shooting fish in a barrel here sometimes.

[Crasherfromwayback]

If you were "baiting" me, what are you going to do beyond saying "I was only taking the piss"?

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Nothing. The truth is all that's more often that not ever needed.

[shrub]

Nothing. The truth is all that's more often that not ever needed.

So you aren't able to counter my post? Why didn't you just say so instead of acting as though you never meant what you said.

[Crasherfromwayback]

So you aren't able to counter my post? Why didn't you just say so instead of acting as though you never meant what you said.

Which one would you like me to?

[SPman]

.........................:corn::corn::jerry:

[nodrog]

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[willytheekid]

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[scissorhands]

The chinese promote harmony and balance

or both brain hemispheres working together

[shrub]

Which one would you like me to?

I'll leave that up to you. The outcome will be the same regardless, so whichever one you think you have the best chance of success at.

[Crasherfromwayback]

I'll leave that up to you. The outcome will be the same regardless, so whichever one you think you have the best chance of success at.

When I have a lil more spare time on my hands, I'll see what I can do.

[shrub]

When I have a lil more spare time on my hands, I'll see what I can do.

Yeah, remember that google is your friend and if it's on the net and you agree, it's true. Expecting arguments to be logically sound, based on empirical evidence and from credible sources is nowhere near as fun as finding a blog or website somewhere that says exactly what you want it to say.

Did you know that Elvis is still alive? Or that the world will end this year? And best of all, did you know that Harley Davidson's are faster than 1000 cc superbikes. The evidence is all out there on the web.

[Jantar]

That is an incredibly compelling argument in support of the thread topic. Did you write that to intentionally make right wing people seem stupid as some kind of ironic statement, or is it what you actually think? In fact, do you think? Ever?

Mmm. I'd have to agree with you there. Overall I find the report on the study to be rather biased, and if accurate then the study would rate as Junk Science. But then an example such as the one you quote shows up and I have no argument against it.

[SMOKEU]

That is an incredibly compelling argument in support of the thread topic. Did you write that to intentionally make right wing people seem stupid as some kind of ironic statement, or is it what you actually think? In fact, do you think? Ever?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h05YfP_8UsU

[shrub]

Mmm. I'd have to agree with you there. Overall I find the report on the study to be rather biased, and if accurate then the study would rate as Junk Science. But then an example such as the one you quote shows up and I have no argument against it.

Yeah, it pretty well does fall into the junk science camp, but I think that these days there are some so-called right wing ideologies that are more readily swallowed by stupid people who don't engage in any level of critical thinking. As evidenced on KB.

And then smokeu puts up the response above. Nice.

[mashman]

Mate...I know plenty of dummies that vote labour don't worry. I find it funny that the so called more intelligent people are finding the fact the National got back in so hard to accept. I would've thought they were smart enough to just let it go. The ability to simply move on and get on with life is obviously not a traight the super intelligent are armed with.

Which would mean that the non-super intelligent are happy to keep on grazing the grass whilst the harvester bears down on them.



Except that the study you're referring to is American, and most of their democrats are to the right of our Nats, at least in terms of economic policy. You don't have the same correlation here between social conservatism and the left/right split. National, Labour and Winnie all have big chunks of socially conservative voters.

Funny, I thought we were all just folk. Perhaps this is more apt then (http://nz.news.yahoo.com/a/-/latest/12719404/cheaters-more-likely-to-be-christian-and-support-national/)



I think he meant to say right thinkers dumber THAN left thinkers...

Perhaps I missed out a comma... Right Thinkers dumber, then Left Thinkers ... with shades of grey people less dumber than both.



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[Ender EnZed]

Perhaps I missed out a comma... Right Thinkers dumber, then Left Thinkers ... with shades of grey people less dumber than both.

The word you want is "than".

http://www.elearnenglishlanguage.com/difficulties/thanthen.html

[mashman]

The word you want is "than".

http://www.elearnenglishlanguage.com/difficulties/thanthen.html

so you're telling me what I want? you are probably Right.

[Ender EnZed]

so you're telling me what I want? you are probably Right.

:facepalm:

"Right Thinkers dumber then Left Thinkers" isn't a sentence. No amount of commas is going to change this. It's obvious that what you're trying to communicate is "Right Thinkers dumber than Left Thinkers".

HTH.

[mashman]

:facepalm:

"Right Thinkers dumber then Left Thinkers" isn't a sentence. No amount of commas is going to change this. It's obvious that what you're trying to communicate is "Right Thinkers dumber than Left Thinkers".

HTH.

Of course a comma will work. In answer to the question: Who is dumber Right or Left Thinkers? Right Thinkers dumber, then Left thinkers... of course that's lazy engrish, but that's the language the Right understand and I may have misread you...

(but yes, originally it was than I was searching for and I reckon a mod must have changed it as I would never make such a mistake)

[mstriumph]

all extremists scare the living daylights out of me .......... all hail the beige people (as long as i don't have to join them :laugh: )

[mashman]

all extremists scare the living daylights out of me .......... all hail the beige people (as long as i don't have to join them :laugh: )

..........

[Crasherfromwayback]

I'll leave that up to you. The outcome will be the same regardless, so whichever one you think you have the best chance of success at.

From the OP's article...

Hodson was quick to note that the despite the link found between low intelligence and social conservatism, the researchers aren't implying that all liberals are brilliant and all conservatives stupid. The research is a study of averages over large groups, he said.

"There are multiple examples of very bright conservatives and not-so-bright liberals, and many examples of very principled conservatives and very intolerant liberals," Hodson said.

Nosek gave another example to illustrate the dangers of taking the findings too literally.

"We can say definitively men are taller than women on average," he said. "But you can't say if you take a random man and you take a random woman that the man is going to be taller. There's plenty of overlap."

Nonetheless, there is reason to believe that strict right-wing ideology might appeal to those who have trouble grasping the complexity of the world.

Note at the end..."There is reason to believe". That is in actual fact, VERY different to fact. It may well be of some people's opinion, and it MAY even be 100% correct. But that doesn't mean it is without doubt so. Bit like global warming. The bit I put in there as a wind up for you (knowing how you responded to a genuine question I asked you in another thread regarding it), as I just knew you'd be floating around in a thread going on about lefties being smarter that righties.

I used to think global warming was bollocks, that it was just the earth going through it's normal heating cooling cycles, but now wonder if they may be correct. But I still doubt anyone can say 100% they are correct. So there are arguments for both sides that have merit.

They used to say a disprin a day was good for you, now they say it causes more harm than good. Like butter/margarine. A glass of wine a day...

I simply think there are grey areas in most things yet proven as fact, so it's bollocks to try and turn others over to your way of thinking unless you can prove it as factual 100% without doubt.

You're no doubt far more intelligent than I am. I'm no doubt far faster than you on a motorcycle. And this is a motorcyclist site.

So I win. :bleh:

[Robert Taylor]

There are brilliant people at all levels of politics. My pin up girl Margaret Roberts being one of them. One of the most intelligent politicians ever ( Enoch Powell ) was of right wing persuasion, also a man of huge compassion. As was Michael Foot, a man worthy of respect in spite of his socialist dogma.
The politicians we have here are all lightweights in comparison, with the exception of a few that we had in the Holyoake years.

[Usarka]

Y'all need to understand.... that the aaawriginal poster was referencin' studies done on good ol boy's like mee-self from the US of fuckin'A goddammit. You pussy livered tree huggin "nuklear free" whale humpers down in Austraylia don't no shit about no reeepublican way of doin things, and if you boys think you know better then by god we're gunna come down there and kick your goddam asses all the way back to kangafuckenroo land. You bet'ya.

[shrub]

...I simply think there are grey areas in most things yet proven as fact, so it's bollocks to try and turn others over to your way of thinking unless you can prove it as factual 100% without doubt.

You're no doubt far more intelligent than I am. I'm no doubt far faster than you on a motorcycle. And this is a motorcyclist site.

So I win. :bleh:

No, you don't. At least not very often.

Outside of mathematics there is nothing that is 100% certain, everything else, as you correctly point out, is degrees of certainty, or shades of grey. If you only ever believed what was 100% certain, you would believe nothing. You fill your bike from the petrol bowser, but are you 100% certain that you are putting petrol in your bike? And is it a 100% certain fact that your bike runs on petrol? You have a memory of it running on petrol, but how do you know that you aren't in the process of going mad, and what you think are memories are in fact psychotic episodes, and that your bike actually runs on chocolate milk, which is why gas stations sell it.

But on balance, you have strong memories of your bike running on petrol, all your friend's bikes run on petrol, the manual says it runs on petrol and even the gas station attendant says it runs on petrol; and that's why you fill it with petrol and ignore me when I tell you chocolate milk is the correct fuel. If you depended on 100% certainty, you would never ride again because it is only 99.9999999999% certain your bike runs on petrol, not 100%.

And how do you know you are far faster on a motorcycle than I am? Have you ridden with me? How do you know that I'm not faster - I may well be.

[Crasherfromwayback]

No, you don't. At least not very often.

Outside of mathematics there is nothing that is 100% certain, everything else, as you correctly point out, is degrees of certainty, or shades of grey. If you only ever believed what was 100% certain, you would believe nothing. You fill your bike from the petrol bowser, but are you 100% certain that you are putting petrol in your bike? And is it a 100% certain fact that your bike runs on petrol? You have a memory of it running on petrol, but how do you know that you aren't in the process of going mad, and what you think are memories are in fact psychotic episodes, and that your bike actually runs on chocolate milk, which is why gas stations sell it.

But on balance, you have strong memories of your bike running on petrol, all your friend's bikes run on petrol, the manual says it runs on petrol and even the gas station attendant says it runs on petrol; and that's why you fill it with petrol and ignore me when I tell you chocolate milk is the correct fuel. If you depended on 100% certainty, you would never ride again because it is only 99.9999999999% certain your bike runs on petrol, not 100%.

And how do you know you are far faster on a motorcycle than I am? Have you ridden with me? How do you know that I'm not faster - I may well be.

Thoughts are like seeds. If you plant too many your mind will become an overgrown shambles.

The last bit? Just a hunch.

[misterO]

I smell a Cartesian circle jerk brewing...

[The Lone Rider]

Righties - goldwings and lefties - harleys

Pretty sure it's the other way around!

[Red39]

I wish I was intelligent enough to contribute something of value to this thread. Sigh. Guess this means I must be a "right thinker" eh! :)

[mashman]

I wish I was intelligent enough to contribute something of value to this thread. Sigh. Guess this means I must be a "right thinker" eh! :)

at least you thought about it first :Punk:

[Red39]

at least you thought about it first :Punk:

Ha ha. Yes I think therefore I am. ;)

[flyingcrocodile46]

Who would have thought eh (http://news.yahoo.com/low-iq-conservative-beliefs-linked-prejudice-180403506.html)

It would be a much more credible study if they had included statistics on religious belief as well. The best indication of intellectual shortcoming that I have seen is the belief in such nonsense.

[mashman]

It would be a much more credible study if they had included statistics on religious belief as well. The best indication of intellectual shortcoming that I have seen is the belief in such nonsense.

Why would religion be brought into it if they were only measuring right and left thinking? May as well throw in the coffee and tea stats instead of religion as there's only 3 answers... unless you start to break it into the flat white crowd, those who like it black and the double half-caf venti low-fat mochaccino crowd... Looking at conservative beliefs and viewpoints I've often wondered about the intelligence of the demographic as they always seemed more myopic and narrow of focus... and the study did find a correlation.

[Indiana_Jones]

Who would have thought eh (http://news.yahoo.com/low-iq-conservative-beliefs-linked-prejudice-180403506.html)

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-Indy

[shrub]

Why would religion be brought into it if they were only measuring right and left thinking? May as well throw in the coffee and tea stats instead of religion as there's only 3 answers... unless you start to break it into the flat white crowd, those who like it black and the double half-caf venti low-fat mochaccino crowd... Looking at conservative beliefs and viewpoints I've often wondered about the intelligence of the demographic as they always seemed more myopic and narrow of focus... and the study did find a correlation.

Personally I think anyone who drinks decaf coffee is in the thrall of the devil, and milk belongs in good coffee in the same way ginger ale belongs in malt whisky.

However religion and political orientation do have a relationship. A few years ago I did a paper on political behaviour, and there is a strong correlation between right wing politics and conservative religion (the fundamentalist born again type). The relationships is strongest in the US but still evident in NZ politics, and the support of Don Brash and National by the Brethren is an example. There are many reasons, and essentially because left wing/liberal ideology is less conservative it is less supportive of the traditional social norms that are a legacy of the influence the church had on how we live. A classic example is homosexuality, which I am told that God hates more than anything in the universe, so the fact that the left are more supportive means the conservative church opposes them. Another interesting issue is the green movement. Central to fundamentalist Christianity is the idea that at some stage soon Jesus is coming back to stage judgement day and the end of the world as we know it, so worrying about how the planet will be in 200 years is futile because we'll all be in heaven or hell. In Genesis God tells Adam that he has dominion over animals and the environment, and that has resulted in our doctrine of environmental exploitation - God made everything for us to use, so why put the environment ahead of human interests? And God made man in his own image, not the dolphin or the kauri tree, so that makes us better and more important which gives our needs precedence.

As a result conservative christians are more likely to support right wing political parties which means more right wing people are religious than the left, however that does not mean supporting the right makes you religious. If that makes sense, which it probably doesn't because I drank whisky with a friend last night so my brain is not running on all cylinders.

[shrub]

Thoughts are like seeds. If you plant too many your mind will become an overgrown shambles.

The last bit? Just a hunch.

It depends on whether you nurture and grow them in a controlled fashion. I plant a lot of thoughts in my mind, but I also know how to thin the ones that are flawed and grow and develop the others to become knowledge I can use. I have found that it's near impossible to effectively challenge the validity of a ideas without knowledge, and I'd rather be able to do that so what I believe is most likely to be sound. The alternative is to simply accept what I like and reject what I don't like regardless of what the truth is.

As for your superiority as a motorcyclist, you have no idea how fast I am, and while many people are faster than me, you may be surprised. But even if I am faster than you, does that make me a better motorcyclist than you? What if I have ridden more accident free kilometres in my life? In my books that's much more of a measure than the speed I can lap Ruapuna or the time it takes me to get to Akaroa on a Sunday afternoon. And what if I ride more than you and in more conditions? Or am more likely to work on my own bikes? Or own cooler bikes? Or more bikes?

[Crasherfromwayback]

Or am more likely to work on my own bikes? Or own cooler bikes? Or more bikes?

Seeing as in a previous life I was a mechanic by trade (before I started selling them for a living), I think you can safely assume I actually work on mine too. Cooler bikes? Beauty is in the eyes of the beholder and all that. More bikes? I'd be surprised. 25 years in the industry means I've owned more than most people I know.

[mashman]

Personally I think anyone who drinks decaf coffee is in the thrall of the devil, and milk belongs in good coffee in the same way ginger ale belongs in malt whisky.

However religion and political orientation do have a relationship. A few years ago I did a paper on political behaviour, and there is a strong correlation between right wing politics and conservative religion (the fundamentalist born again type). The relationships is strongest in the US but still evident in NZ politics, and the support of Don Brash and National by the Brethren is an example. There are many reasons, and essentially because left wing/liberal ideology is less conservative it is less supportive of the traditional social norms that are a legacy of the influence the church had on how we live. A classic example is homosexuality, which I am told that God hates more than anything in the universe, so the fact that the left are more supportive means the conservative church opposes them. Another interesting issue is the green movement. Central to fundamentalist Christianity is the idea that at some stage soon Jesus is coming back to stage judgement day and the end of the world as we know it, so worrying about how the planet will be in 200 years is futile because we'll all be in heaven or hell. In Genesis God tells Adam that he has dominion over animals and the environment, and that has resulted in our doctrine of environmental exploitation - God made everything for us to use, so why put the environment ahead of human interests? And God made man in his own image, not the dolphin or the kauri tree, so that makes us better and more important which gives our needs precedence.

As a result conservative christians are more likely to support right wing political parties which means more right wing people are religious than the left, however that does not mean supporting the right makes you religious. If that makes sense, which it probably doesn't because I drank whisky with a friend last night so my brain is not running on all cylinders.

I don't drink tea or coffee (nor whisky), never have so really can't comment on the virtues of the blend...

I'm sure they do have a relationship, but that's not what was being studied. In response to that I posted a link where Christians who vote National are more likely to cheat (http://nz.news.yahoo.com/a/-/latest/12719404/cheaters-more-likely-to-be-christian-and-support-national/) (go figure :innocent:). Rainmans RSA link in the Surplus thread explains how suceptable people are to changing their minds based on the information they're being fed, not uninteresting, but nothing I didn't suspect.

I though god hated abortion more, oh and muslims? bloody hell she changes her mind a lot. Heh, funny that we're all made in her image, she must be one messed up puppy given the states of mind that human beings display. That proves beyond a doubt that god is female. Although I woulda thought she would have considered the environment a bit more, maybe that's why "man" took over :innocent:.

Hangover or no, that makes perfect sense... although it would make it easier if people would stop "converting" to the fad of the moment :eek:, or at least not be so easily pursuaded that they should. Drinking on a school night eh, tsk, I remember why I gave that up... well had the decision removed from me by moving country.

[Oscar]

true, but at least there are scientists highlighting that those who are overconfident are thick and vote national because they know no better, or at least can't reason any further (especially if they were against asset sales and still vote national)... if that's the alternative I'd rather stay insecure.


It's obvious to anyone with half a brain (and I doubt you qualify in that respect), that extreme right wing views appeal to the uneducated and insular.
People have a natural inclination to react against the unknown and the outsider when threatened - mans basic instinct is to protect and conserve his family and society.

However uneducated doesn't necessarily mean stupid, it just means uninformed and insular, and to attribute these reactions to a particular political system or party is ludicrous.

You can tell really stupid people - those are the ones who read, believe and repeat as fact any old crap they read on the interweb.

[mashman]

It's obvious to anyone with half a brain (and I doubt you qualify in that respect), that extreme right wing views appeal to the uneducated and insular.
People have a natural inclination to react against the unknown and the outsider when threatened - mans basic instinct is to protect and conserve his family and society.

However uneducated doesn't necessarily mean stupid, it just means uninformed and insular, and to attribute these reactions to a particular political system or party is ludicrous.

You can tell really stupid people - those are the ones who read, believe and repeat as fact any old crap they read on the interweb.

Of course I don't qualify... I have a full brain. National party = Traditionally right wing? So



extreme right wing views appeal to the uneducated and insular.


So we agree in regards to the outcome of the "study"

[Oscar]

Of course I don't qualify... I have a full brain. National party = Traditionally right wing? So



So we agree in regards to the outcome of the "study"

I think I defined your brand of stupidity quite well in respect of posting silliness from the internet - you may well have a complete brain, but you show no sign of using it. As for the "study" - the people they're describing are just common or garden bigots of no particular political persuasion.

[mashman]

I think I defined your brand of stupidity quite well in respect of posting silliness from the internet - you may well have a complete brain, but you show no sign of using it. As for the "study" - the people they're describing are just common or garden bigots of no particular political persuasion.

Typical right winger response. You don't understand the points of view being put across so revert to personal attack. :rofl: "common or garden bigots of no particular political persuasion" as opposed to ?

[Oscar]

Typical right winger response. You don't understand the points of view being put across so revert to personal attack. :rofl: "common or garden bigots of no particular political persuasion" as opposed to ?

As opposed to nothing.
Ignorant people do and say ignorant things, but it doesn't make them evil, or representative of a particular political cause, it just makes them ignorant.

You are a fine example of this.
For example, where in the study was the proof of your assertion:

true, but at least there are scientists highlighting that those who are overconfident are thick and vote national because they know no better

As for not understanding the points of view - I see you applying a US study to NZ politics, which only highlights your ignorance of US politics.
I also think that your attention span ran out after a couple of paragraphs, before you read this:

..the researchers aren't implying that all liberals are brilliant and all conservatives stupid.
As that is exactly what you said above, so the next time you use a link to prove your silly political theories, you might want to read it all:laugh::facepalm:

[Oscar]

Typical right winger response. You don't understand the points of view being put across so revert to personal attack. :rofl: "common or garden bigots of no particular political persuasion" as opposed to ?

I'm sorry if you took my response as personal - perhaps it was your silly insults to 38% of the voters in the last elections from someone who admits they didn't vote.
When I said you were stupid, it was only as a result of reading your posts, something I figured that you already knew and therefore didn't consider to be personal.

[mashman]

As opposed to nothing.
Ignorant people do and say ignorant things, but it doesn't make them evil, or representative of a particular political cause, it just makes them ignorant.

You are a fine example of this.
For example, where in the study was the proof of your assertion:


true, but at least there are scientists highlighting that those who are overconfident are thick and vote national because they know no better


So everyone is lumped under common or garden bigots with of no political persuasion?
But those who have been found, in the study, to be "ignorant" have been shown to be representative of a right wing view point and will follow right wing political causes.



As for not understanding the points of view - I see you applying a US study to NZ politics, which only highlights your ignorance of US politics.
I also think that your attention span ran out after a couple of paragraphs, before you read this:


..the researchers aren't implying that all liberals are brilliant and all conservatives stupid.


We're just people, US, NZ, UK, OZ etc... and they all have right wing political parties with right wing policies... I see no difference in the politics of any of those countries.

My attention span ran to an implication that most would be stupid as the scientits had made the link.. the fact that the so called intelligent ones follow the right wing policies lends to guilt by association.



As that is exactly what you said above, so the next time you use a link to prove your silly political theories, you might want to read it all:laugh::facepalm:

I did, but I used both sides of my brain and read it in as many contexts as I could and didn't just read what I wanted to read from the study... it would seem that you didn't, which again gives the study credence.

[Oscar]

We're just people, US, NZ, UK, OZ etc... and they all have right wing political parties with right wing policies... I see no difference in the politics of any of those countries.



If you can't see the difference between local and US political parties, you really are ignorant.
The NZ National Party would be regarded as rampant socialists in the States.

[mashman]

I'm sorry if you took my response as personal - perhaps it was your silly insults to 38% of the voters in the last elections from someone who admits they didn't vote.
When I said you were stupid, it was only as a result of reading your posts, something I figured that you already knew and therefore didn't consider to be personal.

I should think you should be sorry too. I wasn't insulting 38% of the population, they can't help it and I'm not as brutal as some... :rofl:@not voting, sorry, I had forgotten that my opinions are to be discounted in any political arena where I didn't vote... funny, I generally only ever hear that attitude from right wingers, my mum included (she's the one with the degree in politics and history... however, she listens to my arguments and is ready to put down the you can't moan if you didn't vote propagandist slogan).
Ok, you got me there.

[mashman]

If you can't see the difference between local and US political parties, you really are ignorant.
The NZ National Party would be regarded as rampant socialists in the States.

If you can't see the similarities between local and US political parties, then you're coming down to my level pretty damn quickly.
That's because NZ isn't part of the US... yet. They see everyone as socialist or communist so there's no weight to your statement at all.

[Oscar]

If you can't see the similarities between local and US political parties, then you're coming down to my level pretty damn quickly.
That's because NZ isn't part of the US... yet. They see everyone as socialist or communist so there's no weight to your statement at all.

That's weak even for you.
You're quoting the study, not me, so their idea of liberal/conservative is crucial.
Go back and read the study in context - it's a North American study (it's actually Canadian), and there is a world of difference between what is considered right wing over there and locally. The Democratic Party of the US makes Key & Co look like a bunch of sissy liberals.

This isn't the first time you posted overseas stuff to prove your silly theories about local politics, and all it does is make you look silly.

[mashman]

That's weak even for you.
You're quoting the study, not me, so their idea of liberal/conservative is crucial.
Go back and read the study in context - it's a North American study (it's actually Canadian), and there is a world of difference between what is considered right wing over there and locally. The Democratic Party of the US makes Key & Co look like a bunch of sissy liberals.

This isn't the first time you posted overseas stuff to prove your silly theories about local politics, and all it does is make you look silly.

What context should I adopt in order to read the study as you would like me to? Is liberalism a right wing stand point?

As I've said before, people are just people... any belief otherwise would be a right wing stance.

[Oscar]

I should think you should be sorry too. I wasn't insulting 38% of the population, they can't help it and I'm not as brutal as some... :rofl:@not voting, sorry, I had forgotten that my opinions are to be discounted in any political arena where I didn't vote... funny, I generally only ever hear that attitude from right wingers, my mum included (she's the one with the degree in politics and history... however, she listens to my arguments and is ready to put down the you can't moan if you didn't vote propagandist slogan).
Ok, you got me there.


I have no idea why you consider me to be a right winger, although I suspect that your little Orwellian fantasy world compels you to assume that anyone who disagrees with you is some jackboot wearing oppressor. Anyone who spends as much time as you do ranting about politics and then fails to vote is hardly credible, unless you have an excuse - perhaps you're a convicted felon posting from behind bars?. Excused under the Mental Health Act?

[Oscar]

What context should I adopt in order to read the study as you would like me to? Is liberalism a right wing stand point?

As I've said before, people are just people... any belief otherwise would be a right wing stance.

You seem to be even slower on the uptake than usual, so I'll type this slowly.
You can't lift a study from another country and apply it here whilst ignoring local context.
Obama is considered to be a liberal by some in the US, but a study of his policies would put him right of center in NZ.

[mashman]

I have no idea why you consider me to be a right winger, although I suspect that your little Orwellian fantasy world compels you to assume that anyone who disagrees with you is some jackboot wearing oppressor. Anyone who spends as much time as you do ranting about politics and then fails to vote is hardly credible, unless you have an excuse - perhaps you're a convicted felon posting from behind bars?. Excused under the Mental Health Act?

:killingme, So you're not a right winger then? I don't vote because there's nothing to vote for and I won't vote just because I'm allowed to.

[mashman]

You seem to be even slower on the uptake than usual, so I'll type this slowly.
You can't lift a study from another country and apply it here whilst ignoring local context.
Obama is considered to be a liberal by some in the US, but a study of his policies would put him right of center in NZ.

Of course you can, especially as there are right wingers around the globe... I've yet to see some fundamental factor from the US that can't be seen in any other country. So you're saying that being liberal is a left wing view point?

[Oscar]

:killingme, So you're not a right winger then? I don't vote because there's nothing to vote for and I won't vote just because I'm allowed to.

So leaving aside your shortcomings as a citizen, perhaps you could explain your thread title: "Right Thinkers are dumber than Left Thinkers".
Because, having read the Yahoo article that was linked (presumably as support), I can't see where the study proves that Right Thinkers are dumber than Left Thinkers. It asserts that people with low IQ's are more likely to be bigoted and socially conservative (bearing in mind the context of the study in the definition of "socially conservative"), but it does not mention your rather simplistic conclusion regarding the political right and left.

Perhaps the thread topic is more like "Mashman jumps to conclusions and looks silly"

[Oscar]

Of course you can, especially as there are right wingers around the globe... I've yet to see some fundamental factor from the US that can't be seen in any other country. So you're saying that being liberal is a left wing view point?

I'm saying that a North American political study does not translate directly to NZ.
Being called liberal in the US has a whole different meaning than in NZ.

[mashman]

So leaving aside your shortcomings as a citizen, perhaps you could explain your thread title: "Right Thinkers are dumber than Left Thinkers".
Because, having read the Yahoo article that was linked (presumably as support), I can't see where the study proves that Right Thinkers are dumber than Left Thinkers. It asserts that people with low IQ's are more likely to be bigoted and socially conservative (bearing in mind the context of the study in the definition of "socially conservative"), but it does not mention your rather simplistic conclusion regarding the political right and left.

Perhaps the thread topic is more like "Mashman jumps to conclusions and looks silly"

lollies... I've already explained it in post 1. The article speaks for itself, as does the title. They won't come and and say that Right thinkers and dumber than left thinkers it as blatantly as I will, but the language used in the article is comparable to language used in other studies, like smoking may kill you therefore it is a fact that smoking kills whilst ignoring every other airbourne particle that has ever been inhaled by a person or taking into account the origin of the food that they have eaten and the quality of water source... so therefore the document states that right thinkers are dumber than left thinkers... IQ is linked to dumbness... Conservative means right wing thinking ... not such a great leap to right thinkers being dumber than left thinkers.

I can't make it any clearer if you refuse to shed your right wing stand point and start looking at it from a completely different perspective.

[mashman]

I'm saying that a North American political study does not translate directly to NZ.
Being called liberal in the US has a whole different meaning than in NZ.

I'm not mapping Republican to National. That'd be silly. Although policy wise they share more in common than Republicans and Labour. So liberals in the US, not Canada, have left wing leanings?

[Oscar]

lollies... I've already explained it in post 1. The article speaks for itself, as does the title. They won't come and and say that Right thinkers and dumber than left thinkers it as blatantly as I will, but the language used in the article is comparable to language used in other studies, like smoking may kill you therefore it is a fact that smoking kills whilst ignoring every other airbourne particle that has ever been inhaled by a person or taking into account the origin of the food that they have eaten and the quality of water source... so therefore the document states that right thinkers are dumber than left thinkers... IQ is linked to dumbness... Conservative means right wing thinking ... not such a great leap to right thinkers being dumber than left thinkers.

I can't make it any clearer if you refuse to shed your right wing stand point and start looking at it from a completely different perspective.

The article does speak for itself and not only has nothing to do with your post title, it specifically excludes it.


Hodson was quick to note that the despite the link found between low intelligence and social conservatism, the researchers aren't implying that all liberals are brilliant and all conservatives stupid. The research is a study of averages over large groups, he said.

"There are multiple examples of very bright conservatives and not-so-bright liberals, and many examples of very principled conservatives and very intolerant liberals," Hodson said.

It looks like the only silly person here is you.

[Oscar]

I'm not mapping Republican to National. That'd be silly. Although policy wise they share more in common than Republicans and Labour. So liberals in the US, not Canada, have left wing leanings?

You are equating Socially Conservative as used in the study with National.

Not withstanding that, tags like Socially Conservative and Liberal used in the North American context have little or relevance locally.

You're just digging yourself deeper - admit it, you jumped to the wrong conclusion (and the wrong thread title).

[mashman]

The article does speak for itself and not only has nothing to do with your post title, it specifically excludes it.

It looks like the only silly person here is you.

How does this exclude it?



Hodson was quick to note that the despite the link found between low intelligence and social conservatism, the researchers aren't implying that all liberals are brilliant and all conservatives stupid. The research is a study of averages over large groups, he said.

"There are multiple examples of very bright conservatives and not-so-bright liberals, and many examples of very principled conservatives and very intolerant liberals," Hodson said.

Granted it's not what THEY are implying, but they did find a link. Multiple examples could be a grand total of 2 and if they've found a link it's highly unlikely that it's a 50/50 result... otherwise it wouldn't be worth mentioning. That's not excluding it, it's just saying that's not what we were looking for.

[Oscar]

How does this exclude it?



Granted it's not what THEY are implying, but they did find a link. Multiple examples could be a grand total of 2 and if they've found a link it's highly unlikely that it's a 50/50 result... otherwise it wouldn't be worth mentioning. That's not excluding it, it's just saying that's not what we were looking for.

Show me anything in the study that supports your thread title.

[mashman]

You are equating Socially Conservative as used in the study with National.

Not withstanding that, tags like Socially Conservative and Liberal used in the North American context have little or relevance locally.

You're just digging yourself deeper - admit it, you jumped to the wrong conclusion (and the wrong thread title).

The link is easy as Socially Conservative is right wing and everything else is left wing... where the Socially Conservative right wing were found to have a lower IQ and poor conceptual skills. Not digging deeper at all, the article spells it out quite clearly, I don't see why you need to over complicate such a simple concept.

[mashman]

Show me anything in the study that supports your thread title.


Hodson was quick to note that the despite the link found between low intelligence and social conservatism

Social Conservatism, right wing drones, dumber than everyone else, which happens to include left wing thinkers

[Crasherfromwayback]

Hodson was quick to note that the despite the link found between low intelligence and social conservatism, the researchers aren't implying that all liberals are brilliant and all conservatives stupid. The research is a study of averages over large groups, he said.

"There are multiple examples of very bright conservatives and not-so-bright liberals, and many examples of very principled conservatives and very intolerant liberals," Hodson said. "



It looks like the only silly person here is you.

Yeah I've already pointed that bit out to them...but it doesn't seem to compute.

[Oscar]

Social Conservatism, right wing drones, dumber than everyone else, which happens to include left wing thinkers

So you can't have a socially conservative left winger?
Why don't you stick to a subject that you have some knowledge of?
Start a thread about Onanism in Politics...

[mashman]

Yeah I've already pointed that bit out to them...but it doesn't seem to compute.

and as has already been pointed out


Hodson was quick to note that the despite the link found between low intelligence and social conservatism

... implied or not, there is a link, something that doesn't compute as a concept with the righty crowd... primarily because they feel the need to put it into context with the following:



"There are multiple examples of very bright conservatives and not-so-bright liberals, and many examples of very principled conservatives and very intolerant liberals," Hodson said. "

... yes there are exceptions, but the two findings above are highlighted as separate observations, which does not negate the link that the righty crowd are trying so hard to ignore, as is witnessed by:


, the researchers aren't implying that all liberals are brilliant and all conservatives stupid. The research is a study of averages over large groups, he said.

Put it all together: Righty's are dumb fucks.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Put it all together: Righty's are dumb fucks.

What was that you said to Oscar about lowering yourself to personal insults? And something to me earlier about denial?

You're chasing your tail. And as I said earlier...if you compare yourself to others, you'll forever be disappointed. There will always be someone around far smarter than yourself to put you in your place, just as there is always someone better than you at any given thing you choose to claim to be good at.

[mashman]

What was that you said to Oscar about lowering yourself to personal insults? And something to me earlier about denial?

You're chasing your tail. And as I said earlier...if you compare yourself to others, you'll forever be disappointed. There will always be someone around far smarter than yourself to put you in your place, just as there is always someone better than you at any given thing you choose to claim to be good at.

I was generalising in both cases and not being specific to any individual

Not at all, I see multiple result sets, the righty's seem to be taking the out clause given by the scientists, classic right denial of findings. As for the rest, perhaps I'll find someone better some day.

[scissorhands]

Evolutionary strengths come in all shapes and sizes, smarts is one, instincts are another

Highly sensitive sensing organs like on a rabbit, may be ideal for avoiding predators, and speed and strength or instincts ideal on another

As domesticated man evolves, less emphasis on strength and more on smarts may emerge, and although middle ground balance will always remain the ideal, the balance point may shift a little due to ability to earn money with smarts

[jonbuoy]

I was generalising in both cases and not being specific to any individual

Not at all, I see multiple result sets, the righty's seem to be taking the out clause given by the scientists, classic right denial of findings. As for the rest, perhaps I'll find someone better some day.

:facepalm: How much do you smoke before writing this kind of stuff?

[Maha]

Right Thinkers dumber then Left Thinkers

Shouldn't that be a than rather than a then?

[mashman]

:facepalm: How much do you smoke before writing this kind of stuff?

Absolutely nothing... but that's yet another typical right wing response.


Right Thinkers dumber then Left Thinkers

Shouldn't that be a than rather than a then?

That has already been dealed with.

[jonbuoy]

Absolutely nothing... but that's yet another typical right wing response.



That has already been dealed with.

Erm Citizen Mash I'm not right wing.

[mashman]

Erm Citizen Mash I'm not right wing.

Yet you use their rhetoric Comrade Jon... the conversion process is well under way I see.

[puddytat]

Regardless of left brain/right brain people ruling in govts,irrespective of wether they are left or right wing inclined, it still basically comes down to the financial system under which they both have to operate ....& maybe that is the root of the problem.

[mashman]

Regardless of left brain/right brain people ruling in govts,irrespective of wether they are left or right wing inclined, it still basically comes down to the financial system under which they both have to operate ....& maybe that is the root of the problem.

oh FFS the bleeding heart greeny's have arrived. Just because you're right about the financial system doesn't excuse your allegiance.

[Maha]

That has already been dealed with.

That would be dealt....:rolleyes:

[SMOKEU]

As domesticated man evolves, less emphasis on strength and more on smarts may emerge, and although middle ground balance will always remain the ideal, the balance point may shift a little due to ability to earn money with smarts

Being smart can help a person to strategise and build weapons, just like when the European settlers came to NZ or when the Americans invaded Africa to thieve some slaves. In both those cases the white people were physically weaker than the "natives", but the extra intelligence of the whites is what paid off.

[puddytat]

oh FFS the bleeding heart greeny's have arrived. Just because you're right about the financial system doesn't excuse your allegiance.

Na Bro, you have misinterpreted what I was saying or I wasnt explaining it well enough...if my allegiance lies with anyone its you.

I watched a fascinating doco on SBS the other night in which Rageh Omar examined the question of whether I.Q had anything to do with race....commonly held beliefs that for example that Blacks or Africans were genetically dumber than whites...
Well it turns out that actually it has nothing to do with race,it has everything to do with education.The most important factor is having a middle class upbringing & access to education & if given the opportunity we are all capable of brillance, it just requires stability, good parenting & schooling. At this point its actually the East Asians who have the highest average I.Q of 106 & the experts including our own Professor Flynn put this down to a culture that has focused on education for the last 3000 years.

[mashman]

Na Bro, you have misinterpreted what I was saying or I wasnt explaining it well enough...if my allegiance lies with anyone its you.

I watched a fascinating doco on SBS the other night in which Rageh Omar examined the question of whether I.Q had anything to do with race....commonly held beliefs that for example that Blacks or Africans were genetically dumber than whites...
Well it turns out that actually it has nothing to do with race,it has everything to do with education.The most important factor is having a middle class upbringing & access to education & if given the opportunity we are all capable of brillance, it just requires stability, good parenting & schooling. At this point its actually the East Asians who have the highest average I.Q of 106 & the experts including our own Professor Flynn put this down to a culture that has focused on education for the last 3000 years.

My powers of troll have grown weak... :killingme fark that had me roaring... where's my coffee slave serf. The idea is what matters eh :yes:

Who would have thunk it would have had anything to do with education and the time and effort put into those who are being taught eh :). At the end of the day education is experience, we will have been taught how to do certain things and along the way some of us will have figured out that those who think on a right wing manner are complete and utter........ ohhhhhh who am I kidding, the thread is done and was a poor excuse as a troll thread.

Was there any mention of education budget? or any trade-off to provide their education system?

[puddytat]

Was there any mention of education budget? or any trade-off to provide their education system?

No, budget didnt really come into it in the doco it was more to do with stabilty & a culture of encouraging it.
Something interesting that came out of it was when Stanford university changed its acceptance criteria to the SAT system which is based purely on results of entrance exams, that thier campus suddenly jumped to 40% Asian.
Also it pointed out that the high School with the highest graduation rate in NY State was a school in the Bronx with 96% graduating & which has a Headmaster who uses a new approach of small classes & top notch dedicated teachers.
Alot was made also of good parenting....

[MisterD]

Well it turns out that actually it has nothing to do with race,it has everything to do with education.The most important factor is having a middle class upbringing & access to education & if given the opportunity we are all capable of brillance, it just requires stability, good parenting & schooling. At this point its actually the East Asians who have the highest average I.Q of 106 & the experts including our own Professor Flynn put this down to a culture that has focused on education for the last 3000 years.

There's an inherent contradiction there, in that it's probably only since the end of slavery, that the African races which contribute their genes to the US, have not been selected on the basis of physical prowess over anything else. I saw a doco somewhere about a village in high-altitude Kenya somewhere that traditionally favoured the ability to run a long way and steal cattle as the ultimate mark of a man - unsurprisingly the number of world-class distance runners from the region was pretty high.

[puddytat]

True MrD,there is that correlation, but this was the thing, the crux of the matter with the doco was that there is NO genetic link to intelligence, that as a species the only thing which is proven to raise IQ is eduction. It is actually the blacks which have shown the greatest increase in IQ from an average of just over 80 back in the sixties to an average of 100 now, whereas us whiteys have only increased 6 IQ points in the same period.....

[MisterD]

but this was the thing, the crux of the matter with the doco was that there is NO genetic link to intelligence, that as a species the only thing which is proven to raise IQ is eduction.

Isn't that like saying that there's no genetic link to strength and speed and that the only thing proven to raise your strength is lifting weights in the gym?

[puddytat]

Isn't that like saying that there's no genetic link to strength and speed and that the only thing proven to raise your strength is lifting weights in the gym?

No,there is a genetic link to strength & speed which can be enhanced with training, but with intelligence there is no Gene responsible for it & its enviromental circumstances that affect a persons intelligence,not the breeding. Eugenics dont come into it at all.
I find it fascinating that there is no gene associated with the one thing that really seperates us from the natural world.:scratch:
Also studies on brain size showed that larger brains in some cultures (larger skull size)had no influence on intelligence & in some cases the opposite is true...The Chinese for example, have a smaller average brain mass than Europeans,but have a higher average IQ & this is attributed directly to it being a confucian culture that for generations has placed a cultural onus on education.

[Coolz]

The real dummies are the ones who vote for the same party all their lives despite the issues. This kind of party loyalty goes back generations in some families and can be found on all sides of the political spectrum. Those who ride bikes only from one country all their lives also fall into this catagory.

[MisterD]

No,there is a genetic link to strength & speed which can be enhanced with training, but with intelligence there is no Gene responsible for it & its enviromental circumstances that affect a persons intelligence,not the breeding. Eugenics dont come into it at all.

"Eugenics" is a strong word to start bandying around...

I just can't get my head around there not being a genetic link to intelligence - intelligence must be an attribute subject to Natural Selection, like any other. The intelligence of humans is something we've evolved, it must be part of our genetic makeup.

I think it really shows a couple of things, IQ is a pretty ropey measure of intelligence because it requires a level of education to understand what you're being asked and that overall intelligence isn't something that is a major factor in mate selection in western society.

Also, one thing I'd offer as an arguement in favour of a genetic link to intelligence - ever noticed how many really successful men that marry trophy wives have kids incapable of carrying on their work?:laugh:

[avgas]

Last time I checked you had to to be stupid to be dumb. How you thought about it was kinda irrelevant.:laugh:
Don't forget also there are only 2 types of people in the world, those that don't know and those that think they do.

[puddytat]

"Eugenics" is a strong word to start bandying around...

I just can't get my head around there not being a genetic link to intelligence - intelligence must be an attribute subject to Natural Selection, like any other. The intelligence of humans is something we've evolved, it must be part of our genetic makeup.

I think it really shows a couple of things, IQ is a pretty ropey measure of intelligence because it requires a level of education to understand what you're being asked and that overall intelligence isn't something that is a major factor in mate selection in western society.

Also, one thing I'd offer as an arguement in favour of a genetic link to intelligence - ever noticed how many really successful men that marry trophy wives have kids incapable of carrying on their work?:laugh:

I agree entirely with all that you are saying, but this doco says otherwise & the man who has in the last 30 years been the figurehead in this research is a certain Dr Flynn from good ole N.Z whose earlier research was using sheep....
Nah , kidding about the sheep,but he is "the Man" on this subject

Maybe its somewhat like any part of the body in that it responds positively to positive stimuli & like wise to negative.

It was on SBS & its available on demand....i cant link because of various social & learning difficulties....

[MisterD]

I agree entirely with all that you are saying, but this doco says otherwise & the man who has in the last 30 years been the figurehead in this research is a certain Dr Flynn from good ole N.Z whose earlier research was using sheep....
Nah , kidding about the sheep,but he is "the Man" on this subject

Maybe its somewhat like any part of the body in that it responds positively to positive stimuli & like wise to negative.

It was on SBS & its available on demand....i cant link because of various social & learning difficulties....

Oh the wonders of the intermaweb, I've just googled and downloaded a couple of papers to my kindle to read later. Looks interesting.

Aren't we all so precious about mental issues though - you're racist if you think whites are more intelligent than blacks or browns (eh, Mr Hayden?) but not if you think that blacks and browns are stronger and faster than whites; it's easy to talk about physical illness, but mental illness carries a stigma...

I've never read into this stuff before, I was just going on my (very lay) understanding of genetics and evolution, but I was aware that the greatest correlation for educational success was the educational success of one's mother. It'll be interesting to see how the products of that genius spermbank go.

[SMOKEU]

Those who ride bikes only from one country all their lives also fall into this catagory.

That rule doesn't apply to people who only ever buy Japanese bikes.

[mashman]

I'm sure someone on here mentioned something about taking some prescribed pills and it being like having a light switched on. For me intelligence is all about the correct pathways being switched on/woken up and making a connection to an undamaged one to complete a circuit allowing a process to take place. Education goes so far to switching the brain on, but if the kid isn't interested then I doubt those pathways will switch on until they're required and as we end up pigeon holed in a job, that may never happen and we end up with a so called non-intelligent person. Some people may not grasp concepts that are easy for others to understand which would point to their brain connections having formed slightly different links, that does not mean the person is stupid/dumb/thick etc... it means they probably know something that plenty of other people don't and we end up with people of differing talents.

If that was linked back to the document and the right wing are more business focussed and left wing more socially focused (which seems to be the case), then I would imagine that there are more questions needing to be asked in regards to social issues than there are in regards to business issues (methodologies, unquestioned ways of doing things), which could tenuously explain why right wing thinkers seem more stupiderer than left wing thinkers... weak perhaps.

[Oscar]

I'm sure someone on here mentioned something about taking some prescribed pills and it being like having a light switched on. For me intelligence is all about the correct pathways being switched on/woken up and making a connection to an undamaged one to complete a circuit allowing a process to take place. Education goes so far to switching the brain on, but if the kid isn't interested then I doubt those pathways will switch on until they're required and as we end up pigeon holed in a job, that may never happen and we end up with a so called non-intelligent person. Some people may not grasp concepts that are easy for others to understand which would point to their brain connections having formed slightly different links, that does not mean the person is stupid/dumb/thick etc... it means they probably know something that plenty of other people don't and we end up with people of differing talents.

If that was linked back to the document and the right wing are more business focussed and left wing more socially focused (which seems to be the case), then I would imagine that there are more questions needing to be asked in regards to social issues than there are in regards to business issues (methodologies, unquestioned ways of doing things), which could tenuously explain why right wing thinkers seem more stupiderer than left wing thinkers... weak perhaps.

The document you linked simply does not back up your initial assertions.
That's pretty stupid, really.
Isn't it?

[mashman]

The document you linked simply does not back up your initial assertions.
That's pretty stupid, really.
Isn't it?

Does it not?
Not really given that you have not given any context for your statement... that and you didn't grasp the concepts that I was highlighting in the first place.
No.

[Oscar]

Does it not?
Not really given that you have not given any context for your statement... that and you didn't grasp the concepts that I was highlighting in the first place.
No.

You weren't highlighting any concepts.
You said: Right Thinkers dumber then Left Thinkers

Now apart from the obvious grammatical error that made you look somewhat silly, you posted a link to a study.
The study simply does not support your assertion (even mildly contradicting it at one point), so that makes you look even sillier.
The only concept highlighted here is "Mashman is silly".

[puddytat]

and that you Sir are a curmudgeon:yes:

[mashman]

blah blah blah
The only concept highlighted here is "Mashman is silly".

OMG really... is that it? I am silly? Hang on............ yes I'm silly according to my kids, I am a clown, who woulda thought eh :yawn:

[Oscar]

and that you Sir are a curmudgeon:yes:

That may be the first factual statement in this thread...

[Crasherfromwayback]

That may be the first factual statement in this thread...

Doubt it!!!

[mashman]

Doubt it!!!

Twue... I am silly, the kids confirmed it.

[jonbuoy]

Surprised myself how "left wing" I am, I always thought I was middle of the road.

http://www.politicalcompass.org/

[oldrider]

Surprised myself how "left wing" I am, I always thought I was middle of the road.

http://www.politicalcompass.org/

You obviously attended "State" schools all your life!

[jonbuoy]

You obviously attended "State" schools all your life!

Yup! Turns out I'm a liberal greeny :shit:

[puddytat]

Man, Im out there with the Dalai Lama & Nelson Mandela....also a liberal Green:niceone:
Good find there Johnboy:niceone:

The multi choice test on Iconochasms is interesting....

[avgas]

Ground Control to Major Tom
Ground Control to Major Tom
Take your protein pills and put your helmet on

Ground Control to Major Tom
Commencing countdown, engines on
Check ignition and may God's love be with you

Ten, Nine, Eight, Seven, Six, Five,
Four, Three, Two, One, Liftoff

This is Ground Control to Major Tom
You've really made the grade
And the papers want to know whose shirts you wear
Now it's time to leave the capsule if you dare

"This is Major Tom to Ground Control
I'm stepping through the door
And I'm floating in a most peculiar way
And the stars look very different today

For here
Am I sitting in a tin can
Far above the world
Planet Earth is blue
And there's nothing I can do

Though I'm past one hundred thousand miles
I'm feeling very still
And I think my spaceship knows which way to go
Tell my wife I love her very much she knows"

Ground Control to Major Tom
Your circuit's dead, there's something wrong
Can you hear me, Major Tom?
Can you hear me, Major Tom?
Can you hear me, Major Tom?
Can you....

"Here am I floating round my tin can
Far above the Moon
Planet Earth is blue
And there's nothing I can do."

[Oscar]

Do you remember a guy that's been
In such an early song
I've heard a rumour from Ground Control
Oh no, don't say it's true

They got a message
from the Action Man
"I'm happy, hope you're happy too
I've loved
all I've needed to love
Sordid details following"

The shrieking of nothing is killing
Just pictures of Jap girls
in synthesis and I
Ain't got no money and I ain't got no hair
But I'm hoping to kick but the planet it's glowing

[CHORUS]
Ashes to ashes, funk to funky
We know Major Tom's 4
a junkie
Strung out in heaven's high
Hitting an all-time low

Time and again I tell myself
I'll stay clean tonight
But the little green wheels are following me
Oh no, not again
I'm stuck with a valuable friend
"I'm happy, hope you're happy too"
One flash of light
but no smoking pistol

I never done good things
I never done bad things
I never did anything out of the blue,
Want an axe to break the ice
Wanna come down right now

[CHORUS]

My mother said
to get things done
You'd better not mess
with Major Tom

[Crasherfromwayback]

She had an horror of rooms
she was tired
you can't hide beat
When I looked in her eyes they were blue but nobody home

She could've been a killer
if she didn't walk the way she do,
and she do
She opened strange doors
that we'd never close again

She began to wail jealousies scream
Waiting at the light know what I mean

[CHORUS (twice)]
Scary monsters, super creeps
Keep me running, running scared

She asked me to stay
and I stole her room
She asked for my love
and I gave her a dangerous mind
Now she's stupid in the street
and she can't socialise
Well I love the little girl
and I'll love her till the day she dies

She wails
Jimmy's guitar sound
jealousies scream
Waiting at the light know what I mean

[misterO]

And the moral of this magic spell
Negotiates my hide
When God did take my logic for a ride
(Riding along)...