Sad news from Manfeild

[White trash]

Details are sketchy at this stage but there's been a huge accident in one of the F3 races. 10 or more bikes involved, also, one rider tragically killed.

Racing for the day has been understandably cancelled.

My thoughts are with that riders family and friends.

RIP

[MSTRS]

We so don't need to hear that. Gutted.

[sAsLEX]

Anyone in the area, or has phone numbers want to update us, would be good to know it wasn't one of us :no:

RIP to the person though, at least they were doing something they love!

[FROSTY]

Guys N gals _please lets avoid dumb comments here.
Good news Only one Kber crashed but isn't badly hurt
Bad news being a fellow racer did indeed die.

[White trash]

All I can say it Mitch is alright although she crashed. I'm not sure if in the same incident or not.

[Joni]

So not good news - its always terrible when that happens. Please keep us updated, I will make a few calls myself as well... :confused:

To the family and loved ones of the rider who passed away, my sincerest condolences. :(

[FROSTY]

All I can say it Mitch is alright although she crashed. I'm not sure if in the same incident or not.

Red flags were out and the rider was slowed right down, another rider missed the flag and collected the other at speed.
red flags means already a crash happened (for those that dont know)

[Slim]

Jimmy - have you spoken or texted to Mitch? Is Greenie (Craig) all right? I've just texted them both.


Where's the "heart in mouth, stomach in ankles" smilie???

[Slim]

Mitch just texted - they're both ok. Phew. I'll pass on more details once Craig rings.

[White trash]

Jimmy - have you spoken or texted to Mitch? Is Greenie (Craig) all right? I've just texted them both.


Where's the "heart in mouth, stomach in ankles" smilie???

Mate, I can't get hold of anyone. I'm freaking.

I know how you're feeling dude. Hang in there. Please let us know when you hear from Craig. I heard from a third party that Mitch is OK but she hasn't returned my texts.

[Slim]

Mate, I can't get hold of anyone. I'm freaking.

I know how you're feeling dude. Hang in there. Please let us know when you hear from Craig. I heard from a third party that Mitch is OK but she hasn't returned my texts.
She returned mine quick smart! She came off, but not so badly as to be carted off to hospital. LB's Hamish is driving her home & she will go get x-rayed at Wellington Hospital when they get there. She's all right, but very sore.

Craig managed to miss everyone & stay on, but he said it was the most awful thing he's ever seen. :no: He's really shaken up, so I'm staying home tonight.

Apparently one dead & 4 in hospital. I didn't ask for any more details because it didn't seem like the time. Know what I mean? :(

[jimbo600]

Mate, I can't get hold of anyone. I'm freaking.

I know how you're feeling dude. Hang in there. Please let us know when you hear from Craig. I heard from a third party that Mitch is OK but she hasn't returned my texts.

Mitch was checked out by the paramedics at the scene. She might have a broken hand. Bike is probably rooted. I don't know about any other rider.

Condolences to all involved. I hate hearing news like this.

[yungatart]

Thoughts and prayers for all of those involved and their families and friends

[Ixion]

Prayers, commiserations and condolences. [no suitable emoticon]

[Hooks]

Oh shit !! and I was just on my way over to watch some races too ... TS & MR weren't here as usual so I didn't think about going over until all my work was done !!

If anyone needs a hand to move bikes and equipment then get them to ring me .... I'm only 10 mins away from the track ...

Shit I hate this

[riffer]

Urgh. Not good.

Keep us informed if you can.

RIP :no:

[Zed]

I'm really sorry to hear about this tragedy, hang in there all you KBers who know those involved.

My prayers and thoughts go out to the deceased & family, and for those hospitalised. :weep:


Matthew

[Riff Raff]

Shit, shit, shit. My thoughts with the family and friends of the rider killed, and to the others who were injured and all who saw it. That's a lot of people who are going to need support.

[White trash]

OK. I don't think the rider killed was a KBer, he was however, regarded as a friggin top bloke.

I'm not going to name anyone untill the media do for obvious reasons. I'd suggest anyone else who knows who it was to do the same out of respect for his family.

[cliffy]

good to hear mitch ok what about sparky bills and dan(vfrdan) they race formula 3 too don't they?thoghts are with the family .

[Al]

Thoughts and prayers are with everyone involved...

Al

[FROSTY]

OK. I don't think the rider killed was a KBer, he was however, regarded as a friggin top bloke.

I'm not going to name anyone untill the media do for obvious reasons. I'd suggest anyone else who knows who it was to do the same out of respect for his family.
Ill second that WT

[White trash]

OK. Manfeild reversed circuit.

There was an incident on the back straight halfway through the first lap, about two thirds down the field. One of the bikes caught fire, some riders were still down. The decision was made to stop the race before the front runners arrived at the scene. There was only one red flag on the circuit, at the start finnish line.

The first bunch of riders all stopped but the following groups had nothing to warn them as they entered the start straight. Fast moving group met stopped group and carnage ensued. No one rider was responsible, nor the marshal.

[Two Smoker]

OK. Manfeild reversed circuit.

There was an incident on the back straight halfway through the first lap, about two thirds down the field. One of the bikes caught fire, some riders were still down. The decision was made to stop the race before the front runners arrived at the scene. There was only one red flag on the circuit, at the start finnish line.

The first bunch of riders all stopped but the following groups had nothing to warn them as they entered the start straight. Fast moving group met stopped group and carnage ensued. No one rider was responsible, nor the marshal.

Hey, can someone ring me with the details??? I couldnt make it due to financial troubles... 0211272870 Im very worried and concerened at who has been hurt... Glad to hear that Craig and Mitch are ok...

Sparky Bills races in Clubmans not F3...

[Hooks]

Hey, can someone ring me with the details??? I couldnt make it due to financial troubles... 0211272870 Im very worried and concerened at who has been hurt... Glad to hear that Craig and Mitch are ok...

Sparky Bills races in Clubmans not F3...


I wondered where you were !! MR said you might still be coming so I waited in case you were running late ... again !! ...At least you aren't out there today mate ... I still haven't heard anything more than what has been posted here ...

I was wondering if the rain that came from nowhere had a bearing on it all but from what WT has said I guess that wouldn't have fried a bike on the track huh ??

[JohnBoy]

i have just had a phone call from mates who are racing and the accident is as above from WT.

5 bikes crashed on back straight, 1 caught fire and could not be extinguished. as a result all further racing today has been canned.

as far as i know the only KB to be injured is Mitch and she is ok, got a knock to the hand and has already been checked out. Sparky Bills was not in F3 (races clubbies) and VFRDan wasn't involved.

i was also told the name, where the person is from and what bike he rode but i don't feel its appropriate for me to release those details are second or third hand so i dont feel comfortable until they are confirmed.

my deepest sympothies are with the families involved, apparently there is going to be a full investigation by police and fire brigade who are on site now, also there were televsion crews around so it maybe on the news tonight, might pay to watch.

[Brian d marge]

[QUOTE=White trash. There was only one red flag on the circuit, at the start finnish line.
.[/QUOTE]

THERE WAS F$%&''((())'%#$#...... WHAT ....ONE RED FLAG that borders on criminal Stupidity .. that race should have NEVER have run ..

( I am only reading second hand so really am not informed )

BUT

Since I have been subscibing to KB I have heard of 3 racers that have been killed since xmas
THATS APPALLING , PERIOD

( this has actually pissed me off...an that doesnt happen often ,,,but there is NO way on this gods green earth that ANYONE should run such a risk in ANY sport ,,,Even THUGBY)

Please if you are racing ... GET off YOUR arses and grab a flag ,,,,an if there isnt enough people ( an I mean proper people who have a clue as to marshalling ,,not just the mates girlfiends mum ) ....and if you feel that there isnt enough safety .......

Dont F&&#& race ,,,its to frigging dangerous .........

I know I am preaching to the converted ,,,but ...I will be contacting MNZ as I am tired of this ,,,,back office make the rules do nothing ,,( and most probably get a big wedge ) bullshyite

Stephen

[GSVR]

The rider that was killed was a Palmerston North man . He was in the garage next to us one along from Martin.

Two of the other guys where from the garage next door that Kiwi Bikers from here would have meet at a recentTestday and the KR trackday. They are Rob Allen and Murray Hudson. Both are Ok but have reasonably bad injures but are conscious .

There where alot more bikes and rider where involved but I don't have any details on them.

I was in the race before (clubmans) it was my first race and was just walking out to the track to see how Murray and Rob where doing when I heard the collisons.

Excuse me if I dont post anything else.

[Slim]

NZ Herald article (http://www.nzherald.co.nz/index.cfm?c_id=1&ObjectID=10337273) - very brief & next to no details.

[Slim]

Excuse me if I dont post anything else.
Completely understandable. Give us a PM if you want to chat.

[erik]

That's terrible news. It would be good to get the proper story of what happened. (that Herald article was useless, it said the accident happened in the pits?!)

[curious george]

Gosh, really hope those hurt get better soon.
Thoughts with the family of the one not so lucky :-(
btw, that was quick of the Herald...

[Kwaka-Kid]

not good news to hear at all.

Thoughts go out to the racers and friends/family.

Take care everybody.

[Marknz]

NZ Herald article (http://www.nzherald.co.nz/index.cfm?c_id=1&ObjectID=10337273) - very brief & next to no details.

The news article above and the one on the TVNZ website are incorrect... the accident did not happen in the pits. It happened on the start finish straight.

[Marknz]

Your information is indeed very much secomnd hand.Please lets not make ill founded assumptions.
Lets just say it was a correctly run meeting and all marshal points were covered by marshalls-with flags.

You're better off not saying anything at all cause you weren't there and don't have any idea how the meeting was being run. I'd suggest you all keep your conjecture to yourselves unless you've actually spoken to someone who was there.

[campwest]

Your information is indeed very much secomnd hand.Please lets not make ill founded assumptions.
Lets just say it was a correctly run meeting and all marshal points were covered by marshalls-with flags.

I saw a few races today where the red flag was brought out at the start/finish but yellows elsewhere.

I did not see that incident so wont comment.

A guy I saw crawling on the start finish/line claiming "it was a yellow fuking flag" referring to the cprevious corner flag.

And the bike buring ... the van came back to get a fire extinguisher, and got told that they used em all.

RIP dude.

[Brian d marge]

You're better off not saying anything at all cause you weren't there and don't have any idea how the meeting was being run. I'd suggest you all keep your conjecture to yourselves unless you've actually spoken to someone who was there.

Someone was Killed that is three I know off since Xmas , and that is three to many .
One the one hand you dont want to cause offence to the people who were genuinely trying to do the right thing etc

On the other hand ,someone was killed PERIOD ,which means something in the process went wrong.

AND at that level of racing SHOULD NEVER HAPPEN . PERIOD

( feel free to fire those red rep points over here , hell Ill even give meself a few ,,, but i stand by what I say ,no change,,I am F&())'&%& furious that that could happen at that level of racing and yes I am using bad language as its an indication of how pissed I am )

Once again I repeat this is not an attack on those who were trying to do the right thing etc , rather the process which allowed this ( and others) tragegy to happen.

Finally my thoughts are with all those effected by this. and out of respect this is my final post on this .( you can put me down as VERY PISSED OFF in the background )

Stephen

[Marknz]

http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php?t=14641

[Zed]

Someone was Killed that is three I know off since Xmas , and that is three to many .
One the one hand you dont want to cause offence to the people who were genuinely trying to do the right thing etc If you are not related or friends with the deceased, I fail to fully understand why you are getting so worked up? I think you need to come to terms with death Stephen, people die every minute of every day in this world under many different circumstances, even during the circumstances we love like motor racing! This is a tragic event, and until more specific information is publicised just take a deep breath and have a moment of silence for those currently suffering...

[Coyote]

Holy Crap. And I was thinking about entering the F3 class this round. Just read 7 others were injured, how are they doing?

[VasalineWarrior]

yeah that was one of the most horrible things ive ever seen-why the f2#k was there only one ambulence there? hope everyone made it home ok

[Coyote]

yeah that was one of the most horrible things ive ever seen-why the f2#k was there only one ambulence there? hope everyone made it home ok
Not very often that something like this happens is it? I crashed twice in round 1 and didn't need their assistance. The bike was worse off than me

[JohnBoy]

the item has just been on TV 1 news, no other info has been stated but police have asked if anybody has any video of the crash or leading upto the event.

please people, lets all be sensible about this and be supportive of those who are upset by this event.

[justsomeguy]

:no: ............

[Georgio]

http://www.tvnz.co.nz/view/page/411749/599512

The first incident was half way round the track and invloved several bikes
and required the Ambulance. That produced a red flag on the start/finish
line but there was no red flag any where else on the track. Some riders
stopped immediately for the red flad, and started to reform the grid. Riders
coming onto the start finish straight had no warning.

I didn't see the iincident peronally, I was in the pits having just
completed my first race for the day.

I heard three seperate impacts that make you feel sick trying to explain or
remember.

The other incident at the other side of the track had the ambulance tied up,
and they were unaware of the second much more serious accident on the
start/finish line.

One guy died at the scene. The other two were strethered off in the spinal
braces....

The worst thing possible happened. A guy was killed at the track today, and
he did not do anything wrong. It's hard to desribe this one as a racing
incident, but I guess that is what happens at the race track sometimes.
Thankfully not very often, but often enough to remind everyonoe that life is
precious.

Condolences and sympathy to the families.

George Graham.

[LB]

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One of the worst scenes I've seen in all my years of attending race meetings. Absolute carnage.

I have to state I did not see either incident happen, as I'd dashed to the ladies while F3 were sitting on the dummy grid. I came out of the ladies and it was like WW3. I'm not being faceaetious - there were bikes on fire, people running everywhere - it was awful. I simply couldn't understand till I got to pit wall and talked to someone what could possibly have happened.

We dropped Mitch off at Wellington Hospital A&E about 5pm to get checked out.

My thoughts are with all the riders and their families.
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[White trash]

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We dropped Mitch off at Wellington Hospital A&E about 5pm to get checked out.
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Thanks for that Lynda. I was freakin' for a while.

[GSVR]

Robs been discharged from hospital but Murray 07 is staying in tonight.

Glad their injuries weren't as bad as I first thought.

[Beemer]

Terrible news, certainly not the kind of coverage you look forward to seeing on the news. Condolences to the family of the rider who was killed, and support to those who were injured or who witnessed the incident.

I will feel bad no matter who the person is, but we have many riding friends in Palmerston North and I am hoping it is not one of them.

Whatever the circumstances, it's a horrible thing to happen and my heart goes out to all concerned.

[Racey Rider]

After riding the first race of the 150's, I was suppost to be riding in that F3 race too, but wasn't able to....

My thoughts go out to the guys/Families involed including the marshalls.

I didn't see it happen,, and are unsure of ALL the facts.

It's hard to imagine that a club that noramlly runs such a good meeting, would go ahead with only one red flag, (If that was the case)

I hope we get a good explanation of what happened (after all, it's OUR friends that have been hurt/killed by this), and that we all Learn from it, and NEVER let that happen again!

[Matt Bleck]

My condolances to all involved.

[Coyote]

It's hard to imagine that a club that noramlly runs such a good meeting, would go ahead with only one red flag, (If that was the case)

(If it is the case) Maybe it'll get them to improve the system and also set an example to the other race meets in NZ

[SPman]

Wondered why there were bikes heading south at 4, this arvo as I headed into Welly.

A total tragedy, but, these things happen people. It's what makes life what it is, in all its facets.
My condolences to those invloved and I hope the others are OK
Not nice.:no:

[erik]

Here is the tv1 and tv3 news coverage for anyone that missed it.
Compressed using xvid (http://www.koepi.org/xvid.shtml) and mp3 audio.
low quality/resolution.

[curious george]

Thanks Erik.

[Mitch]

There is nothing good about what happened today..............

Brian D'marge...... SHUT THE FUK UP and stop drawing assumptions!!!

EVERYONE at the track today tried to react as best they could to what was put before them......... and there was a hell of alot for all of us to deal with.

My thought are with everyone that was involved in this tragic ACCIDENT!!!!!!
I have never considered myself so lucky to be in one piece......

[raster]

Thanks Eric. Condolences to all involved.

[Slipstream]

I have never considered myself so lucky to be in one piece......

I have 2 visuals left from today and one is how you looked coming off your bike. Glad you got home safe.

It often seems strange how one moment you're talking to someone and 20 mins down the line...they aren't there to talk to anymore....doesn't seem real.

Condolences to the families involved.

[madboy]

It's not for me to get into the politics of this all.

My thoughts and best wishes to all of those directly and indirectly involved in this tragic event. RIP fellow biker.

[Fluffy Cat]

This is terrible i can,t say anymore just terrible.

[Riff Raff]

I would just like to say that until there is more information about the crash, can people please keep their opinions to themselves. A lot of KBers were there today and they are upset enough already without having people throwing their 2cents in. Not trying to curb freedom of speech, but this is not the time to do it. A lot of people have been affected by today's events and support is what they need the most right now.

[babyB]

tis a sad day in racing
send my condolencs to family and friends RIP our fellow biker
in love 'n light
thoughts and wishes to all those involoved in this tragic day

[raster]

There is nothing good about what happened today..............

Brian D'marge...... SHUT THE FUK UP and stop drawing assumptions!!!

EVERYONE at the track today tried to react as best they could to what was put before them......... and there was a hell of alot for all of us to deal with.

My thought are with everyone that was involved in this tragic ACCIDENT!!!!!!
I have never considered myself so lucky to be in one piece......

Glad to hear from you Mitch.

Maybe people need to become more involved as helpers in a sport they love so much. All racing is dangerous and all effort should be made to make it as safe as possible and attempt to correct any gaps.

Be aware, make too much noise and the beurocrats will put a 70K speed limit on the track if they don't ban it completly.

[gav]

Terrible news, any chance of a name yet? I'm sure his family arent browsing on KB at the moment.....

[JohnBoy]

Glad to hear from you Mitch.


cheers for the post Mitch.. i was a little worried. hope its nothing too major.

[myvice]

Our thoughts are with the riders friends and family, deepist sympathies,
Karl, Jacqui and Daryll

[Kickaha]

It's hard to imagine that a club that noramlly runs such a good meeting, would go ahead with only one red flag, (If that was the case)




I saw a few races today where the red flag was brought out at the start/finish but yellows elsewhere.




THERE WAS F$%&''((())'%#$#...... WHAT ....ONE RED FLAG that borders on criminal Stupidity .. that race should have NEVER have run

Stephen

One red flag at start finish is standard practice and having one at each point would not prevent this happening it may just cause it to happen elsewhere on the track,if a red is present at start finish I believe a full course yellow should be displayed

Last year a similar incident happend at Ruapuna at a BEARS meeeting resulting in some broken bones and thankfully nothing more serious, since then at every riders briefing all riders are instructed "In case of red flag, sit up slow down,look around,signal but do not stop and return to the pits slowly"

Having been involved in a race in earlier this year in which a competitor and friend died I know first hand the effect this can have on people and my sympathy and thoughts are with them

A police investigation will follow and the way the club ran the meeting will be checked as a part of this,it is quite easy to point the finger after the event however if you aren't prepared to put you money were your mouth is and help out with running of these events instead of bleating about the supposed short comings of the event or organisers and airing any concerns before the event then I personally feel you should shut the fuck up (aimed at no one in particular)

[Biff]

My thoughts go out to the friends and family of the guy that died.
Mitch - good to hear that you're ok.

[FROSTY]

guys I think best we avoid speculation as previously posted Keep in mind that KBers were both racing and involved in the running of that meeting.
Best wishes for those hurt and involved in this accident.
Condolences to a fellow F3 racer and his family.

[Paul in NZ]

Fuck.... (and I really try not to swear...)

We visited Stoney today.... (not the right place to comment) Went for a ride up the hill, saw bikes coming back early (ish)... Dammit... Wondered why...

Shit shit shit.... Nasty!

Until KB, if I was to be really honest, I almost avoided other motorcyclists. Bad experiences in other lives do that to you... You don't like getting 'close' to people any more... (please don't pursue this)

Posing aside... Lets not forget, a fellow biker died today and you should all weep for this person because everyone of us lost something. There IS nothing else.... It could just as easily been them reading about you. Don't matter if you ride an ancient Guzzi or the latest and greatest, the wind is the same and the game is as deadly.

Oh shit! Not good....

Not good at ALL.....

[Big Dave]

I have never considered myself so lucky to be in one piece......

And you know how much i like that piece. big hugs from me.

Edit: Just told Jan about it and she said send 'her my love' too.

[Sensei]

Very sad news !! Condolences to all .

[Uncle B]

I am sad to hear of this terrible news.....my condolences.

[gav]

So can someone please advise the name of the rider concerned?
PM me if you dont want it on the boards, cheers

[amylou]

Only one Kber crashed but isn't badly hurt
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Oh I didn't realise you were there too. Cause i know after your last message about thirdhand information, you woulnt listen to or speak what you didn't know.
Right??
good to know we can count on you for firsthand info all the facts.And your right apart from all the messages you have written regarding this we should all stop speculating, question why do you keep checking for updates of speculation.

And my condolences to those effected by what happen, remember theres a whole site to lean on if you need it.

[Gixxer 4 ever]

Sad. :no: Condolences to the rider and family.
Take care Mitch and heal fast.
Same to all other riders
Just sad.

[Goddess of Goof]

Like many on this site, I've been a flag Marshall, and attended at races at Pukekohe and Paeroa. I've seen some scary moments.

Things happen, things go wrong, in a nanosecond.

All the planning in the World cannot avoid the consequences.

Our hearts go out to all affected by this tragedy - and to those who are suffering in their own way with their grief.

:grouphug:

[Sparky Bills]

What can i say.
Horrible scene.
I felt soooo helpless, What could i do????
RIP MATE!

Hope Rob and Murray are ok.
Was a sad and terrible accident. It didnt need to happen.
My thoughts are with all people involved.
Martin Billing.

[Marknz]

What can i say.
Horrible scene.
I felt soooo helpless, What could i do????
RIP MATE!

Hope Rob and Murray are ok.
Was a sad and terrible accident. It didnt need to happen.
My thoughts are with all people involved.
Martin Billing.

There was nothing you could have done mate, at least nothing that wouldn't have put you into danger in the first place and then possibly created a "too many hands" situation with the aftermath.

The only good that can come of this is that the issues that caused the second incident are addressed and the appropriate procedures are put into place to protect everyone.

[Sparky Bills]

There was nothing you could have done mate, at least nothing that wouldn't have put you into danger in the first place and then possibly created a "too many hands" situation with the aftermath.



True. But you know...
so much carnage and not a thing i could do. not a nice feeling at all!
Specially when they are my friends down.
I do know what your mean about too many hands on the job. Was best for me to stay back.

How are you after all this?
You would have been right there too, wouldnt you?

[Marknz]

True. But you know...
so much carnage and not a thing i could do. not a nice feeling at all!
Specially when they are my friends down.
I do know what your mean about too many hands on the job. Was best for me to stay back.

How are you after all this?
You would have been right there too, wouldnt you?

Yea, you did the right thing.

Me? Tired and full of Speights. But I can't sleep... just keep running the whole scenario thru my mind and keep seeing those images. Yep, you could say I was right there. I was the twat with the red flag in the middle of the straight trying to get everyone to stop. When the shit started hitting the fan I had to make a decision for my own safety... do I go left towards the pit wall or right towards the infield wall. It was a bloody good split decision move to my right 'cause all the bikes and riders came flying down the pit wall side of the track. Pure luck on my part, but that's no help to the family and friends of those lost and injured.

[Mitch]

True. But you know...
so much carnage and not a thing i could do. not a nice feeling at all!
Specially when they are my friends down.
I do know what your mean about too many hands on the job. Was best for me to stay back.

There was nothing any of us could have done Martin!!!!!!
I don't think I have ever felt so helpless and numb.
I hope your doing ok!!!!

[SPman]

Hey Mitch, Martin and all who were there. I wasnt there, but Marknz - I have been in a situation as a marshall trying to clear up an incident and having a mob of bikes in full racing mode come running down on you at full racing speed - fucking scary!
Theres nothing any of you can do now, except to process what you've been through, and help those who didnt come out unscathed.
Just know that we are all behind you and thinking of you.
Take it easy on yourselves and do what you feel you need to do, to process all this stuff.
:grouphug:
SP

[loosebruce]

Fuck! Lost for words, put a major damper on my night when i found out, must have been horrible to be there, worst i have seen was a vic day years ago when a guy on a BMW lowsided, everyone had slowed but a 250 stroker rider came around full tit saw all of us stopped biffed his bike away which took out a marshall running to the scene, nasty stuff, my thoughts are with those involved, may all injured make a speedy recovery and the one that wasn't so lucky RIP.

Bruce

[Sparky Bills]

There was nothing any of us could have done Martin!!!!!!
I don't think I have ever felt so helpless and numb.
I hope your doing ok!!!!


Im the last person anyone should be worrying about.
How you feeling?
You looked pretty shaken up.
Hope ya got plenty of smokes etc.

[Mitch]

Im the last person anyone should be worrying about.
How you feeling?
You looked pretty shaken up.
Hope ya got plenty of smokes etc.

I was a wreck!!!! But was convinced I "was fine" at the time. I don't know who that guy was that rolled me that cigarette but I will love him for life!!!!
Today was hard on everyone involved mate!!!! Riding, watching, crashing..... we all have to deal with it whatever part we played and what we saw!!!!!!!

[TSS Red Baron]

Mark i know its nat much help but you have to get some sleep,theres nothing you couls or can do,what happened will stay in your mind for the rest of your life,what you need know is sleep.
I am so glad that the people i know were not hurt to badly & came away relitivly lightly,(might sound selfish but its true) if any of you need to talk or just hang out you know where i am.

[Kwaka-Kid]

There is nothing good about what happened today..............

Brian D'marge...... SHUT THE FUK UP and stop drawing assumptions!!!

EVERYONE at the track today tried to react as best they could to what was put before them......... and there was a hell of alot for all of us to deal with.

My thought are with everyone that was involved in this tragic ACCIDENT!!!!!!
I have never considered myself so lucky to be in one piece......

it ma y be some aodd our of hte morning but im glad to eah both you and boib are okay.

take care, and one again thoughts are twith the familyies

[SPman]

Hey Logan - how many you had tonight?

[LB]

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The more Hamish and I talk about what happened the more horrified we get - it was a terrible situation and hindsight is always wonderful.

With any high-speed sport there's always the chance of something going terribly wrong, which it did yesterday.

The hairpin marshalls definitely had a red flag, but by the time they would have been told to put it out, the riders had already been through the hairpin and were on their way through the esses towards the front straight. Remember the circuit was being run in reverse. (I'm not making any speculations, I am stating a fact here.)

Who of us could have conceived such a set of circumstances happening as what happened yesterday?

Not me, that's for sure.

Slightly earlier in the day, the Post Classic race (race 2?) was redflagged because of a fall in the esses, and the system worked okay. (That rider was okay.)
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[Racey Rider]

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Thankyou Lynda for clearing that up.
It' makes me think more better (don't know how it express it) of a bad situation.


.... I was the twat with the red flag in the middle of the straight trying to get everyone to stop. ....

We appreciate your efforts Mark to help run the meet.
Really sorry you have to go through all this.
Don't know what else to say at this time.

PS. As long as there was a red flag ready to be put out at the hairpin/start of the front straight, Then this was a "Racing Incident". (as opposed to...) A "Racing Incident" that shall be learned from, and changes made so to doesn't happen again.

[Marknz]

Thankyou Lynda for clearing that up.
It' makes me think more better (don't know how it express it) of a bad situation.



We appreciate your efforts Mark to help run the meet.
Really sorry you have to go through all this.
Don't know what else to say at this time.

PS. As long as there was a red flag ready to be put out at the hairpin/start of the front straight, Then this was a "Racing Incident". (as opposed to...) A "Racing Incident" that shall be learned from, and changes made so to doesn't happen again.

Yea. Look, I honestly don't know what the situation was with red flags anywhere else on the circuit. I don't actually know how many other red flags were out there, so cannot comment on that.

[svs]

Don't know what to say really. Still feeling gutted. All our thoughts go out to Owen's family. General all round top bloke.

I was one of the lucky ones who was stopped and didn't get hit by anyone.

All the marshalls did there jobs, just everyone was feeling a bit helpless due ti the scale of the accident. Emergency services were there really quickly.

And before anyone else goes on about how it should have been prevented, rest assured that the Police and MNZ will be looking very closely into what happened, and if anything needs to change, then it will.

Still can't really express what I feel in such a public forum, but these things hit you hard when it happens to you. We can't wind back the clock and change what's happened. Lets just try and make sure it doesn't happen again.

I'd also like to say I have a new found discust of the media. Fucking bastards wouldn't leave us alone.

[jimbo600]

Don't know what to say really. Still feeling gutted. All our thoughts go out to Owen's family. General all round top bloke.

I was one of the lucky ones who was stopped and didn't get hit by anyone.

All the marshalls did there jobs, just everyone was feeling a bit helpless due ti the scale of the accident. Emergency services were there really quickly.

And before anyone else goes on about how it should have been prevented, rest assured that the Police and MNZ will be looking very closely into what happened, and if anything needs to change, then it will.

Still can't really express what I feel in such a public forum, but these things hit you hard when it happens to you. We can't wind back the clock and change what's happened. Lets just try and make sure it doesn't happen again.

I'd also like to say I have a new found discust of the media. Fucking bastards wouldn't leave us alone.

Mate I went to East Timor when all the shit was going down in '99 and I know what you mean about the media. Some were OK but a few disgusted me. I was ashamed to say that they were from NZ.

[ManDownUnder]

Heard this on the news yesterday - came on here looking for details but as WT posted on epage 1 (or 2) of this thread... no names wanted or expected till families know.

Thoughts are with those injured, involved, and affected by the accident. Big thanks to all who helped

MDU

[Ms Piggy]

My sympathies go to the friends and families of the racer who died & also to those involved in the incident. I can't even begin to realise how horrific it would be to be a part of that. :(

[denill]

So can someone please advise the name of the rider concerned?
PM me if you dont want it on the boards, cheers

http://www.stuff.co.nz/stuff/0,2106,3355485a10,00.html

[sAsLEX]

http://www.stuff.co.nz/stuff/0,2106,3355485a10,00.html

report on the accident

[Quasievil]

Not good to wake up to this news, I just picked up a copy of the paper where it is front page.

Thoughts are indeed with the families who unfortunetly witnessed the crash, it must be bloody tuff.

[justsomeguy]

Horrible what happened......

How do marshalls communicate with one another?? Are they all linked by radio equipment or do they rely on visual signals or??

[svs]

? Are they all linked by radio equipment or do they rely on visual signals or??

they all have radios.

[GSVR]

Just visited Murray at the hospital this morning and he's doing great. I'd exspect him to be discharged soon as its confirmed he hasn't any internal problems.

I for one know it is hopeless to speculate on why this tragic event happend as there were many contributing factors.

Having attended all the VMC rounds this year its is my opinion that they are very well organised and run.

I'm am shaken by what has happend but have no hesitation entering future events.

[mikey]

The hairpin marshalls definitely had a red flag, but by the time they would have been told to put it out, the riders had already been through the hairpin and were on their way through the esses towards the front straight. Remember the circuit was being run in reverse.

marshall said his radio was dead.


Mitch and she is ok, got a knock to the hand and has already been checked out.

yeh?

hate to see what a serious fuckign accident looks like then.

[LB]

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We went and saw Dave in hospital this morning. He went down in the first incident on the back straight. He was going to be discharged today. Broken shoulder blade and clavicle (collar bone).
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[That Guy]

This is awful news, my sympathies to those involved and affected; which one way another is all of us more or less.

To those like SVS who take the time to help organise these meetings opposed to other lazy types like me (who just turn up) I'd like to reiterate my appreciation of the work you organising type fullas do.

[MoFunthanmost]

damn - caught the tail end of the story on the news last night but didnt hear most of it.
Relieved to hear not many kb'ers werent hurt - but thoughts and best wishes to those who were
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[Ivan]

THERE WAS F$%&''((())'%#$#...... WHAT ....ONE RED FLAG that borders on criminal Stupidity .. that race should have NEVER have run ..

( I am only reading second hand so really am not informed )

BUT

Since I have been subscibing to KB I have heard of 3 racers that have been killed since xmas
THATS APPALLING , PERIOD

( this has actually pissed me off...an that doesnt happen often ,,,but there is NO way on this gods green earth that ANYONE should run such a risk in ANY sport ,,,Even THUGBY)

Please if you are racing ... GET off YOUR arses and grab a flag ,,,,an if there isnt enough people ( an I mean proper people who have a clue as to marshalling ,,not just the mates girlfiends mum ) ....and if you feel that there isnt enough safety .......

Dont F&&#& race ,,,its to frigging dangerous .........

I know I am preaching to the converted ,,,but ...I will be contacting MNZ as I am tired of this ,,,,back office make the rules do nothing ,,( and most probably get a big wedge ) bullshyite

Stephen

Thats all thats needed I give my thoughts to his family and I'm sorry for the people who tried to help and race control

[soundbeltfarm]

my family and i pass on our condolences and thoughts for all family and friends of those injured and to all that were there on the day.

[SixPackBack]

Sincere condolences to family and freinds

[sels1]

This is awful news, my sympathies to those involved and affected; which one way another is all of us more or less.

well put, I second that

[skidMark]

a friend of mine is family friends with the rider killed my condolences go out to all

..............................................RIP
Owen

[gpercivl]

No Hair Racing Race Report

Vic Club #4

Terrible day at Manfeild.

Yesterday was one of those days that if you could turn back the clock by 24 hours we all would have wished we could.

The day started out pretty much the same as all race days and the weather was dry. Practice sessions and qualifying went well for both Bob & I, and I was out racing first in the 12 lap Supersport race. Bob went out next in Post Classics and had a good result then he went out again in the first of the Superlite races.

I missed the first start of Bob's race but it was red flagged and I was there for the re-start to get his lap times. The field took off and the leading bunch swept around Dunlop corner running in reverse direction for this round. Bob was about two thirds back and as he exited Dunlop along the back straight toward Higgins, one of the riders in front was out on the grass and veered back on to the track in front of Bob. Bob braked a little to avoid him and was hit from behind and left side by a third rider. Bob went down on his left side and he rolled and slid coming to a stop about 100m down the track, his bike went about 50m further and burst into flames. Another rider went down nearby bring the total to four at the back of the track.

Seeing the four riders go down, the race was red flagged and as the leaders were just coming through the final turn on to the front straight they were flagged to a stop on the start finish line to form up again. More than a dozen riders had stopped when the tragedy occurred, riders further back on the track had not seen the red flag and at least three riders crashed into the riders on the grid.

It was the worst accident I have seen with five people lying on the track and one killed instantly. People jumped over the pit wall and helped as much as they could until the ambulances arrived.

All the No Hair Race Team members wish to offer our condolences and sympathies to the Brunton family and friends. We wish the injured riders a speedy recovery.

Bob's bike continued to burn for about 40 mins even after two fire extinguishers were used and we were able to retrieve his bike about an hour and a half later. Bob's in good shape with just a few bruises and a grazed elbow but his bike is beyond repair.

Regards, Greg

No Hair Racing Team
www.nohair.co.nz

[raster]

Thanks for that Greg, my heart goes out to all concerned.

[Sparky Bills]

Has anyone heard how Rob and Murray are??

And how are you Mitch??

[Mitch]

Has anyone heard how Rob and Murray are??

And how are you Mitch??

Heya Martin.

I'm doing pretty good!
Rob was discharged from hospital on Sat, badly broken leg.
They kept Murray in as there was concerns regarding internal injuries. To the best of my knowledge he is ok and home now.

[Sparky Bills]

Heya Martin.

I'm doing pretty good!
Rob was discharged from hospital on Sat, badly broken leg.
They kept Murray in as there was concerns regarding internal injuries. To the best of my knowledge he is ok and home now.



Thanx.
I have been trying to find Rob's number to ring him but cant.
We have just done work to his bike on the dyno, (maybe be doing a bit more aye?)
Good to hear your alright.

[Bishy]

Firstly, condolences to family and friends of the deceased rider.
Now, my two cents worth.
One red flag on line is normal for racing over here, we are not morons and if a rider sees yellows on more than one point surely he would become more aware of his surroundings ie not just the guy he was dicing with, but looking further ahead for the reason - perhaps an ambulance on the track, riders down in the way, a dog on the front straight, major oils spill etc etc. I know running in reverse you dont have a hang of a long time before you get to the line at Manfeild but its not on the exit of pepsi? (showing my age here).
Think about Pukekohe, Taupo etc the start finish is a lot closer to prev corner than manfeild, so you are relying on riders to be looking ahead at all times, not just under yellow because we all know how quickly an accident can occur and in some weird places too.
Often in a situation like this its the faster more experienced riders that because of their position in the race are the ones that are back on the line stopped and waiting whilst perhaps less experienced guys are still scrapping it out further down the field high on adreneline and so in the zone they are in effect riding with their eyes shut.
I guess what I am trying to say is we are in love with a dangerous sport, no amount of flags and rules and leather are going to make it completely safe, we are free thinking intelligent sportsmen/women and need to be alert for any possibility while out there, not just looking at the tacho or the two metres of track in front of us, anyone who saw the motogp 125 race last night can appreciate how quickly it can turn to bedlam even with the most proffesional riders/marshalls etc.
So lets all take a minute out and learn from this, one of our family is dead, a few injured, it would be a greater loss if no-one took anything from this lesson and continued on riding with blinders on, going round and round waiting for officials to wave flags at them, point to the fastest lines, wipe their asses and generally think for them.
Its a shame that in a sports mad country the only TV coverage Bike Racing manages to get is something like this!
Thats it, I feel better now - sorry if I rambled on.
Keep going faster people - by thinking!
Cheers
Bishy.

[Motoracer]

I was shocked from all this. Don't know what else to say specially since I have watched the guy race, who has now passed away.

This shows the grim reality of how dangerous our sport can really be at times.

A real tragidy indeed...

[GSVR]

Heya Martin.

I'm doing pretty good!
Rob was discharged from hospital on Sat, badly broken leg.
They kept Murray in as there was concerns regarding internal injuries. To the best of my knowledge he is ok and home now.


Sorry I just got online.

After Rob was discharged from Hospital I drove him back to Manfield and we loaded his bike and gear in his trailor and he headed home. He sore but no broken bones.

Saw Murray again today at 10am and he's good.

Dave was the guy with the shoulder breaks refer to LBs post earlier.

There is a forth guy does anyone know who. Murray didn't know of anyone else at PN hospital yesterday but I didn't ask today.

News reports I have read online are so inaccurate so wouldnt trust them.

Saw the TV3 video and cheers to the guys from Danevirke Suzuki and anyone else that carted Murray and Robs bikes off the track after the police released them.

Hope you F3 riders that where right there and others that had to witness it are feeling better as time goes on.

Owen Brunton was an inspiration to me the few times we spoke at testdays and on the day of the tragedy.

[Sparky Bills]

Thanx Garry.
Hope you had fun racing. Trust me...
Its not usually like that.
Hope to see you up there again.

[Mitch]

Thanks for the update Garry!!! We had all been told Rob had smashed himself up badly so it is really good to hear he is ok!!!!!!!

[Beemer]

When we heard who had died, my husband was shocked as he had just been introduced to Owen last week in PN and said he seemed a really nice guy.

As I used to regularly photograph and report on the race meetings in the past, I was called by a journalism colleague who was looking to contact those involved for today's paper. Without getting into the rights and wrongs of the media's actions at this sad time (they are doing their job, albeit an unsavoury one at times - but look at how many people were here, looking for information), I told her I was unable to help for a number of reasons. Most importantly, I was not there so was not willing to speculate or comment on what happened. Also, it's been about five years since I was actively involved, so I doubt I would know most of the riders taking part today. Even if I did, I would not be prepared to pass on their contact details without talking to them first. I explained that she would find most people unwilling to talk to her at this time too.

I was just glad it wasn't me who had to do this job - I've had to in the past and believe me, it never gets easier, nor does it ever become pleasant.

Owen's funeral is on Thursday in PN - details in today's Manawatu Standard for those who will be attending.

[svs]

Went to see Murray last night. Was in good spirits and talking about fixing the bike up. Was being discharged so should be at home now

[Sparky Bills]

Went to see Murray last night. Was in good spirits and talking about fixing the bike up. Was being discharged so should be at home now


Good news.
Glad to hear hes wanting to fix the bike and get back out there too.

[Marknz]

Good to read that most of the rest of the field have come through relatively unscathed.

Mitch, how are you doin'?

Craig formerly of Sawyers... you were the first guy I got to after the incident... how is your leg?

[Extend-a-slide]

Hi Marknz.
Sorry about the delay, no interweb at home for a couple of weeks.
Thanks for helping me off the track that day, I'm just glad the you also avoided any of the mayhem going on so you could.
My leg is not the greatest I have a torn ligament and quite a bit of bruising (still!) in my knee, calf and ankle. I'll be out of action for a while yet.
But I'm one of the lucky ones!
How are you doing? I know it's a hard thing to try and cope with after what happenned but we all have to move on and try and grow from the whole experience.

Mitch how's your hand? I hope you didn,t spend hours sitting in A&E like I did on the Sunday, so much for avoiding the injured Saturday Rugby players. Get in touch and let me know.