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mashman

30th January 2012, 12:28

oneofsix

30th January 2012, 12:32

... or should I say Male Pussy's v Woman with Balls...

Crafar sale may have faced legal threat (http://nz.news.yahoo.com/a/-/top-stories/12756691/crafar-sale-may-have-faced-legal-threat/) ... Result: NZ caves in

v's

Gillard drags feet on apple promise (http://nz.news.yahoo.com/a/-/top-stories/12756400/gillard-drags-feet-on-apple-promise/) ... Result: Two fingered salute

... so because other country's have land here, we have no choice but to accept the Chinese bid or they'd go to the WTO and whine like a bunch of bitches that it's so unfair.

v's

... we've already whined like a bunch of bitches to the WTO as our apples are accepted by other country's and fuck all has happened...

Pussy's v Balls

But our PM looks soooo cute and smiles so nicely whereas she looks like .... well about as good as Helen did.
Vote on looks and what you get ... all smiles no substance where it counts. But rest assured it will be in the best interests of his investments after all he is not long for this country so what does the interests of the country count for?

DMNTD

30th January 2012, 12:43

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2cV_q-mVAAA&feature=related

mashman

30th January 2012, 12:52

But our PM looks soooo cute and smiles so nicely whereas she looks like .... well about as good as Helen did.
Vote on looks and what you get ... all smiles no substance where it counts. But rest assured it will be in the best interests of his investments after all he is not long for this country so what does the interests of the country count for?

I've got my money on the table that that's gonna be the closest representation of the truth.

Fuck YEAH!

heh, was thinking about linking that in but then the post would've needed reworking and I really really couldn't be arsed... FAG FTW

oneofsix

30th January 2012, 12:59

And just in case you think the arseholes have finished
http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/6335351/Gillard-We-re-trans-Tasman-family

Now if we were family they would eat our apples so what are they really up to? Hint:

announced plans to improve access to criminal records for Kiwis wanting to work in Queensland
John wants to stop the migration and Aussie only want the "desirables"

Big Dave

30th January 2012, 13:04

And just in case you think the arseholes have finished
http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/6335351/Gillard-We-re-trans-Tasman-family

Now if we were family they would eat our apples so what are they really up to? Hint:

John wants to stop the migration and Aussie only want the "desirables"

NZ apples are nicer than the North (Aus) island's - Tassie's are on par. Climate. I'd like to see them imported. PAcific Rose - Yummmm.

The reason is that some huge crimes in Qld have been by Kiwi expats recently. One just swindled 16 million.

oneofsix

30th January 2012, 13:06

NZ apples are nicer than the North (Aus) island's - Tassie's are on par. Climate. I'd like to see them imported. PAcific Rose - Yummmm.

The reason is that some huge crimes in Qld have been by Kiwi expats recently. One just swindled 16 million.

As long as they send the 16 million back with him, or is it 21m
http://www.stuff.co.nz/world/6335522/Kiwi-fraudster-to-plead-guilty

and did they have criminal records here before they created one in Aus

Winston001

30th January 2012, 13:06

... or should I say Male Pussy's v Woman with Balls...

(http://nz.news.yahoo.com/a/-/top-stories/12756691/crafar-sale-may-have-faced-legal-threat/)

Oh really? Did it occur to you to do a quick google search on foreigners buying up Australian land?? Its a big issue over there and the buying by China and Middle Eastern investors is huge. It dwarfs what is happening here.

Not only farmland but mineral resources too. Julia ain't stopping it.

http://www.crikey.com.au/2011/06/16/foreign-ownership-of-aussie-land-the-peril-of-selling-the-farm/

mashman

30th January 2012, 13:15

Oh really? Did it occur to you to do a quick google search on foreigners buying up Australian land?? Its a big issue over there and the buying by China and Middle Eastern investors is huge. It dwarfs what is happening here.

Not only farmland but mineral resources too. Julia ain't stopping it.

http://www.crikey.com.au/2011/06/16/foreign-ownership-of-aussie-land-the-peril-of-selling-the-farm/

I believe the Maldivens want to buy land for when their islands disappear under the water too... Do the Oz land buyouts have any local buyers? the short google search didn't tell me that. How many NZ's can you fit into Oz? I don't believe that selling your land is a good idea where it produces most of your income... especially when you don't have lots of it to start with.

Indiana_Jones

30th January 2012, 14:05

Hopefully one day NZ will become the 7th state of Aus :yes:

-Indy

oneofsix

30th January 2012, 14:10

Hopefully one day NZ will become the 7th state of Aus :yes:

-Indy

Been there done that :Oops: hold on :no: last time we were just part of NSW. Oh well any how all it takes is a vote on the part of NZ but do you think you could get the numbers? Where would we go for holidays then?

Scuba_Steve

30th January 2012, 14:13

Hopefully one day NZ will become the 7th state of Aus :yes:

-Indy

Off with his head, OFF WITH HIS HEAD!!!

I'd be happy with a "partnership" (becoming/sharing like one but keeping our differences) but becoming a state no :no:

oneofsix

30th January 2012, 14:16

Off with his head, OFF WITH HIS HEAD!!!

I'd be happy with a "partnership" (becoming/sharing like one but keeping our differences) but becoming a state no :no:

Sharing??? No John is planning to sell us to them

The Government is expecting strong interest from Australian investors as it prepares to roll out $7 billion worth of part-privatisations over the next three years

Oscar

30th January 2012, 14:21

So we stop overseas investment in NZ?
We expect overseas countries to accept our exports, but refuse to allow their investment in NZ?

Or only sell to those we like?
The ones with white skins, maybe?

oneofsix

30th January 2012, 14:25

So we stop overseas investment in NZ?
We expect overseas countries to accept our exports, but refuse to allow their investment in NZ?

Or only sell to those we like?
The ones with white skins, maybe?

You seem to be confused between investment and ownership. Oh and you seem to forget it was Aus that had the white Australia policy so I guess they would be classed as white.

Indiana_Jones

30th January 2012, 14:32

Been there done that :Oops: hold on :no: last time we were just part of NSW. Oh well any how all it takes is a vote on the part of NZ but do you think you could get the numbers?

It'd get my vote

-Indy

mashman

30th January 2012, 14:36

Been there done that :Oops: hold on :no: last time we were just part of NSW. Oh well any how all it takes is a vote on the part of NZ but do you think you could get the numbers? Where would we go for holidays then?

It'd be a long way to go to protest about ACC too.

Oscar

30th January 2012, 14:41

You seem to be confused between investment and ownership. Oh and you seem to forget it was Aus that had the white Australia policy so I guess they would be classed as white.

I haven't confused anything - investment is investment, be it owning shares or land.
The irony of the argument over the Crafar farms is that the Farmers who are complaining about Chinese purchase of NZ land belong to a Co-operative that owns farm land all over the globe.

Swoop

30th January 2012, 15:27

Hopefully one day NZ will become the 7th state of Aus
As a shooter, you should consider that statement very carefully...

Indiana_Jones

30th January 2012, 15:37

As a shooter, you should consider that statement very carefully...

Now it's funny you mention that, I have over the last few years considered this while looking at moving to Aus.

I don't want to give up my firearms, but if it's the only way I can provide a better life for myself and future kids then so be it.

-Indy

Big Dave

30th January 2012, 16:17

and did they have criminal records here before they created one in Aus

Yeah - that's the rhub - they did, but they didn't disclose and the feds didn't search.

Oscar

30th January 2012, 16:25

Yeah - that's the rhub - they did, but they didn't disclose and the feds didn't search.

I didn't know it was to still required for entry....

Big Dave

30th January 2012, 16:31

Its a big issue over there

http://www.firb.gov.au/content/default.asp

The size of the local oligarchies is more of an issue in the resources sector.

Big Dave

30th January 2012, 16:31

I didn't know it was to still required for entry....

Thank you Oscar Kightley.

Winston001

30th January 2012, 20:29

I believe the Maldivens want to buy land for when their islands disappear under the water too... Do the Oz land buyouts have any local buyers? the short google search didn't tell me that. How many NZ's can you fit into Oz? I don't believe that selling your land is a good idea where it produces most of your income... especially when you don't have lots of it to start with.

Aw come-on man, I gave you a direct link. You ask valid questions but if you want to be taken seriously, please do a little research.

Ok. The buyers in Australia are Qatar, China, Brazil, Japan, Britain, etc etc. Why they bother puzzles me because Oz is mostly desert and approaching a fresh water crisis. Ironic given the floods they have had but water for farming is becoming scarce.

The Oz commentators are envious that NZ has introduced controls on farmland ownership. A clip from the site I linked to.

"Because the sale of agricultural land in Australia is exempt under Foreign Investment Review Board (FIRB) regulations, there is rarely much attention given to the overseas purchases of farmland unless the purchase of assets exceeds the $231 million threshold.

This means that there is no central source of data on just who owns what farmland — and what country they represent."

Winston001

30th January 2012, 20:41

While we are on the subject, NZers own substantial chunks of Uruguayan dairy farm land (http://www.nzfsu.co.nz/page.pasp?pageid=55). Should that be allowed?

Saudi Arabia and Bahrain long-term lease thousands of hectares in Ethiopia to grow food to ship back to the Middle East. Ethiopia. One of the poorest countries in the world. With a population of 80 million and famine. There is a situation where you really have to ask yourself if this is morally right?

China and India are leasing/buying swathes of good agricultural land across Africa and they make no bones about it: they are aiming to feed their own nations in the years to come.

Here is a good article from The Economist on the subject: http://www.economist.com/node/13692889

Don't get me wrong. I'm not comfortable about the Crafar sale and believe there is a serious issue to be discussed. The investment just announced by the NZ Superannuation Fund in NZ Dairy Farms is exactly what we should be doing for ourselves. I'm not convinced by the introduction of new capital argument. There is a lot of money in NZ and we could invest our own capital without depending upon overseas interests.

Big Dave

30th January 2012, 20:44

They can't even agree if they should record it.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/liberals-to-limit-foreign-farm-investment/story-fn59niix-1225899238669

Ocean1

30th January 2012, 21:02

NZ apples are nicer than the North (Aus) island's - Tassie's are on par. Climate. I'd like to see them imported. PAcific Rose - Yummmm.

Apparently it's extremely unlikely that fireblight would be dissiminated by the import of fruit from affected countries for direct sale. Infection in Aus is far more likely from the use of imported material used in the industry itself.

You can get some of the extremely valuable NZ developed varieties in Aus because they bought NZ rootstock...

mashman

30th January 2012, 21:37

Aw come-on man, I gave you a direct link. You ask valid questions but if you want to be taken seriously, please do a little research.

Ok. The buyers in Australia are Qatar, China, Brazil, Japan, Britain, etc etc. Why they bother puzzles me because Oz is mostly desert and approaching a fresh water crisis. Ironic given the floods they have had but water for farming is becoming scarce.

The Oz commentators are envious that NZ has introduced controls on farmland ownership. A clip from the site I linked to.

"Because the sale of agricultural land in Australia is exempt under Foreign Investment Review Board (FIRB) regulations, there is rarely much attention given to the overseas purchases of farmland unless the purchase of assets exceeds the $231 million threshold.

This means that there is no central source of data on just who owns what farmland — and what country they represent."

By all means don't take me seriously, that won't concern me in the slightest as all I can do is raise concerns... add me to your ignore list or just skip my posts.

I did have a look to see if some of the now foreign owned farms had had local competition (granted only 3, so yes, I have assumed that the were smooth sales) and there wasn't any in those cases. As your linky highlights, perhaps there is no immediate need because the govt hasn't been tracking the sales as they have land to burn, or taking the sales seriously enough to understand potential future impacts, let alone to search for local investment to prevent an overseas sale. But in our case eyebrows have been raised as to why the local guys didn't get the gig. Oh coz one or two of them are wankers really doesn't cut it if they do right by the land. Short term yes they will have lost a few million, these days that's chump change, but the future considerations could then turn to how they would treat the land, not to what will happen should food suddenly become scarce.

I too have a hard time understanding why China doesn't have enough grass for cows to graze in order to produce food. So I'm there with you when you ask why. A few reasons spring to mind, but none that I can prove and I know you like your proof. One of them is that there is oil in the rock (saw a doco years ago, although expensive to get). One of them is the creation of money for economies (the land never cost us a cent so it's 100% profit). Who prints China's? I doubt they are beholden to the same money source as we are. Who knows what the real reason is, is could be as simple as having assets. But I'd be interested to know if China/US would defend their land.