Current licence label not affixed in prescribed manner

[mashman]

$200 - bugga. It would seem that when I was putting in the new licence I've overlayed the old one over the top of the new one. I will write a letter to explaining this. I wonder how that will go?

[SMOKEU]

Was it the parking gestapo or a cop that got ya?

[mashman]

Was it the parking gestapo or a cop that got ya?

Gestapo...

[bogan]

Was the new expiry date still visible? Take a photo or two as proof if it was and pester them until they let you off (may take a lot of pestering).

[mashman]

Was the new expiry date still visible? Take a photo or two as proof if it was and pester them until they let you off (may take a lot of pestering).

Nah it was just one on top of the other, just the wrong way around :facepalm:. I was just saying to the missus that I'll take a photo and send it off to them along with an explanation... I may just be able to manage a little pestering for a short while :innocent:

[xXGIBBOXx]

Go in to were you pay your fine , show them its its up to date and you should get off the find . been there had the same thing ages ago . Good fun for winding up the parking dicks :bleh:

[Transalper]

Why on earth did you still have the old one at all ?
Oh hang on are we talking 4 wheels and one of those pocket type label holders?.. but you're still supposed to throw the old one out.

[avgas]

Show them evidence that rego is up to date. Gestapo can't ticket if there is uncertainty. They aren't the cops and have not taken said oaths.
Tis the law I was told.
Its the same with wheel clampers.

[puddytat]

Sorry Bro, but your've no show....

Case in point, a friend with terminal cancer was at the docs in nelson & had made the same mistake. She wrote in explaining her mistake & that the vehicle had current rego & warrant. No Mercy was show.

Whereas myself with no current rego showing, but it was in the mail due to being applied for online,was enough to get me off my ticket for the same offence.....

[Sliver]

Thats rough....Try some sweet talk some times it can go a long way.

Dont try and sweat talk a guy tho...almost never works.

[Swoop]

Well, this explains quite a lot.

[Usarka]

Read here.....

http://www.consumer.org.nz/news/view/vehicle-licence-labels-and-fines

[ckai]

There's genuine honest mistakes (case in point) and there are assholes trying to freeload (like me and my bike at winter time :) ).

I had my tag fall on the floor in the car a few years back because of the shitty holder. Got off it. I was prepared to argue as well. I was gonna say I will follow the person and make sure their's is always shown. Unfortunately it never came to that.

I would be very disappointed if they didn't let you off . Reminds me of how mum's make us feel like shit. haha. It is a genuine mistake. If anyone mentions you should take the old ones out so you don't have that problem you can just mention then you come to the other problem of them falling out all the time :)

[mashman]

Why on earth did you still have the old one at all ?
Oh hang on are we talking 4 wheels and one of those pocket type label holders?.. but you're still supposed to throw the old one out.

Nah 2 wheels. Come out of AA, take panel off of license cover, slide back on again, forget until letter arrives in post. Bugga as it runs out in 24 days.

[Scuba_Steve]

well here's some fun facts to keep the rest legally out of trouble.
It is illegal to have your old vehicles licences in the pocket thing as so many tend to do
& it is illegal to put your new licence in before the month it is due to start i.e. it is illegal tp put a vehicle licence due to start on the 2/2/12 in your pocket on the 29/1/12

Go figure ay, you now know 2 more legalities you probably didn't know before

[slofox]

I had a rego label fall off the bike not so long ago - it was in one of those stupid metal and plastic display cases and the bolt must've vibrated loose or summat. Dunno how long it was AWOL but didn't get any ticket. Postshop got me a copy no problem. Nowadays I stick 'em on with that double sided tape they give ya. It sits on the tail tidy just above the plate.

[Trade_nancy]

It is an arse to be ticketed by council nazis for expired rego and WOF. They have NO interest in justice or fairness as the ONLY reason they do this ticketing for the police is to collect the revenue by acting as a agency of some kind for them. Much like NZPOST takes payment for your rego..but will have NO interest in a debate about how much, how far, how fair...they just collect.
This in turn scares away some parkers from inner city - where they might otherwise spend their last $20 on a long black and a condom in a local shop instead of staying at home until they have another $500 for a minimum rego and a WOF... they need a new wheel bearing or selt belt retractor or whatever to get a WOF. Good to get unsafe vehicles off the road..but in majority of cases the result is just taking $$$ from people who didn't have $$ in the 1st damned place.:(

[pritch]

Gestapo...

Were you legally parked? If so they had no legitimate reason to look at your conveyance.
This was a breach of your privacy under the Act.

Well a letter to that effect works here.

[mashman]

Were you legally parked? If so they had no legitimate reason to look at your conveyance.
This was a breach of your privacy under the Act.

Well a letter to that effect works here.

I may not have been legally parked as I was sitting on the crosses of the bay due to some shitty M/C parking and I wasn't about to fuck with other peoples rides or be late for the job interview... but that's a handy one to know.

[SMOKEU]

the ONLY reason they do this ticketing for the police is to collect the revenue by acting as a agency of some kind for them. Much like NZPOST takes payment for your rego..but will have NO interest in a debate about how much, how far, how fair...they just collect.

in majority of cases the result is just taking $$$ from people who didn't have $$ in the 1st damned place.:(

This is what the government is for!

[FJRider]

Show them evidence that rego is up to date. Gestapo can't ticket if there is uncertainty. They aren't the cops and have not taken said oaths.
Tis the law I was told.
Its the same with wheel clampers.

The requirement is to "Display current Registration label" ... end of story.

Oh ... YES THEY CAN ticket you ...

You were told wrong ...

[Matt_TG]

Were you legally parked? If so they had no legitimate reason to look at your conveyance.
This was a breach of your privacy under the Act.

Well a letter to that effect works here.

Are you sure of this one? Breaching privacy regulations by "looking".... yeah ok. Parking nazis here must be breaking all sorts of rules when they cruise the free parking areas along the beach dishing out tickets for expired wofs and regos.

[Usarka]

The requirement is to "Display current Registration label" ... end of story.

Oh ... YES THEY CAN ticket you ...

You were told wrong ...

Refer post #12.

[mossy1200]

well here's some fun facts to keep the rest legally out of trouble.
It is illegal to have your old vehicles licences in the pocket thing as so many tend to do
& it is illegal to put your new licence in before the month it is due to start i.e. it is illegal tp put a vehicle licence due to start on the 2/2/12 in your pocket on the 29/1/12

Go figure ay, you now know 2 more legalities you probably didn't know before

So its illegal to go on holiday and put new rego in before you leave and illegal to leave old rego in before you leave .Damned if you do damned if you dont.moral of story dont go on holiday near end of month if your rego is due to expire unless you hire a vehicle sitter to change sticker on first day of they month at 00.01am

[Scuba_Steve]

So its illegal to go on holiday and put new rego in before you leave and illegal to leave old rego in before you leave .Damned if you do damned if you dont.moral of story dont go on holiday near end of month if your rego is due to expire unless you hire a vehicle sitter to change sticker on first day of they month at 00.01am

you can take the new one with you in your wallet or something, just not put it in until it's time

But yea these sort of laws are great ain't they :facepalm:

[steve_t]

A guy I know told me the other day that he has been let off multiple "No rego" tickets from parking wardens because the legislation, as it stands, only applies to vehicles in motion. He is gutted that they are about to rectify this.

I also had a metal rego holder vibrate off. It had nylex nuts - I probably should have used some loctite. The cops rang me and I collected it from the station but I too now use the double sided sticky tape they give and affix it to the bike directly

[Scuba_Steve]

A guy I know told me the other day that he has been let off multiple "No rego" tickets from parking wardens because the legislation, as it stands, only applies to vehicles in motion. He is gutted that they are about to rectify this.


Na it's already 1 of the 6 stationary offences under "Land Transport (Offences and Penalties) Regulations 1999 (as at October 20 2011)"

[steve_t]

Na it's already 1 of the 6 stationary offences under "Land Transport (Offences and Penalties) Regulations 1999 (October 20 2011)"

Ah right. I must have misunderstood and my "about to rectify" should be "has recently been rectified"

[mossy1200]

you can take the new one with you in your wallet or something, just not put it in until it's time

But yea these sort of laws are great ain't they :facepalm:

Not if you go on plane for holiday car wont fit in overhead luggage.Im talking if leave car at home and no off streat parking cause your bikes own the garage.

[Scuba_Steve]

Not if you go on plane for holiday car wont fit in overhead luggage.Im talking if leave car at home and no off streat parking cause your bikes own the garage.

ah point, yea then ya fucked. Guess it's just a good thing the Govt don't go trolling for that... yet

[TimeOut]

well here's some fun facts to keep the rest legally out of trouble.
It is illegal to have your old vehicles licences in the pocket thing as so many tend to do

Even better the same applies to road user charges so within one km you can go from being legal to illegal.

So on a Motorway are you supposed to pull over and change it.

[Scuba_Steve]

Even better the same applies to road user charges so within one km you can from being legal to illegal.

So on a Motorway are you supposed to pull over and change it.

haha didn't see that, might have to try it. When you see that diesel van swerving all over the motorway with the driver lent over to the passenger side, that's just me complying with the law :laugh: :facepalm:

[MSTRS]

ah point, yea then ya fucked. Guess it's just a good thing the Govt don't go trolling for that... yet

Ah...they might. Local authorities certainly do. At least in some areas.

There are 2 main 'offences' to do with rego...
1. Failure to display (this is the one that parking nazis will apply, and you can't get out of it - either it was there to be seen or or wasn't)
2. Operates a vehicle without a current rego (this one is applied by the rozzers in a roadside chat and may be waived if you get it up to date within x days)

[sgtp]

Our car didnt have a rego displayed at all and got the same ticket. We just photocopied the tag and reciept when it was purchased and sent it in and all was forgiven. You'll be ok :niceone:

[caspernz]

Even better the same applies to road user charges so within one km you can go from being legal to illegal.

So on a Motorway are you supposed to pull over and change it.

Oh are we being just a tad dramatic? For years we've always put the latest RUC tag in the window holder, regardless of whether the hub has reached the start of the new tag. Technically in breach of the law, but you can't buy gap licences nowadays, so the god squad aren't worried about it.

Same goes for the rego tag, as long as you're current, no probs. The new one arrives and it goes in the window holder, two weeks before its due, so what? Continuously licenced, end of story.

Write your letter and you'll be fine.

[bikaholic]

Even better the same applies to road user charges so within one km you can go from being legal to illegal.

So on a Motorway are you supposed to pull over and change it.Would it be the same people who can't be arsed to check their rego, can't be arsed to check their WOF, can't be arsed to check their RUCs will complete their journey, be the same people who can't be arsed to stop at stop signs, can't be arsed to look for motorcyclists ?
SMIDGAF's ( sorry mate I don't give a fuck).

[Gremlin]

1. Failure to display (this is the one that parking nazis will apply, and you can't get out of it - either it was there to be seen or or wasn't)
Or the lazy arsed parking nazi couldn't be bothered finding it, so ticketed you anyway (when it was on display and current). I refused to even write a letter, as I didn't believe I should waste my time on their incompetence, but sent them a photo of the back of the bike (with the label visible).

Remember (for the other posts) Failure to display is regardless of whether it's up to date or not.

[caspernz]

Remember (for the other posts) Failure to display is regardless of whether it's up to date or not.

Correct, and yet when it comes to spirit of the law and letter of the law, if you're current common sense prevails in the real world.

[Subike]

The requirement is to "Display current Registration label" ... end of story.

Oh ... YES THEY CAN ticket you ...

You were told wrong ...

A current registration label, is on a bike attached to the rear, on a car, truck bus, it is attached to the front and the rear.
It is called a Registration Number Plate.
The Current Motor Vehicle License to use the vehicle on the road, is what you must display in a visible place on a bike
Or on the inside left hand lower corner of the windshield in a vehicle....
It is an offense to operate any vehicle without a current motor vehicle license,
Any vehicle that Has a Vehicle Registration Plate, fixed to it, must display a current WOF AND a current motor vehicle license, to be used on the road legally.
That includes being parked on the side of the road outside you house, place of work, or a repair shop.

[FJRider]

Correct, and yet when it comes to spirit of the law and letter of the law, if you're current common sense prevails in the real world.

I suspect the regulation was written , so some authorities with no police computer access (such as traffic wardens) could check/ticket you for having no rego label displayed .... a money spinner for councils everywhere ...

[bikaholic]

I suspect the regulation was written , so some authorities with no police computer access (such as traffic wardens) could check/ticket you for having no rego label displayed .... a money spinner for councils everywhere ...Some of the so called information brochures, and the road code, don't exactly stick to the Act(s), and are not a defence to infringements.

[Laava]

Interesting that the cops don't give a flying about whether you display or not. I have been pulled over several times on my current bike where the rego and wof is under the seat, and never even come up in conversation. They don't care. Ironically the people that do care are not doing so from a safety perspective, they are just money grubbing cunce. With a capitol C.

[Bassmatt]

Would it be the same people who can't be arsed to check their rego, can't be arsed to check their WOF, can't be arsed to check their RUCs will complete their journey, be the same people who can't be arsed to stop at stop signs, can't be arsed to look for motorcyclists ?
SMIDGAF's ( sorry mate I don't give a fuck).

No. I regularly go several thousand ks over my RUCs as I always forget about it, but always stop at stop signs
Don't really see what the problem is they get the money in the end.

[spanner spinner]

you must be very nice to the police when stoped because they will ticket you for having the rego & warrent under the seat even if it current or not. the ticket is for failing to display, and you can even get this for having the rego & warrent in a hard to see place ie stuck to the back of the number plate and then covered in chain lube or even down on the swing arm if obscured by footrest hangers.

[Gremlin]

the ticket is for failing to display, and you can even get this for having the rego & warrent in a hard to see place ie stuck to the back of the number plate and then covered in chain lube or even down on the swing arm if obscured by footrest hangers.
Actually, I don't believe you're correct. The term is something like "must be displayed as near to the license plate as is practicable".

There is no mention of how clean it should be and fixed to the back of the plate is perfectly reasonable. If they want to ticket you, then they should make the effort to check they are correct. This shouldn't be a country of guilty until proven innocent.

[MSTRS]

Interesting that the cops don't give a flying about whether you display or not. I have been pulled over several times on my current bike where the rego and wof is under the seat, and never even come up in conversation. They don't care. Ironically the people that do care are not doing so from a safety perspective, they are just money grubbing cunce. With a capitol C.

cunCe? Has a certain 'appeal'...

[Clockwork]

... This shouldn't be a country of guilty until proven innocent.

Ahhh but it is when it comes to vehicular offences.

[Laava]

you must be very nice to the police when stoped because they will ticket you for having the rego & warrent under the seat even if it current or not. the ticket is for failing to display, and you can even get this for having the rego & warrent in a hard to see place ie stuck to the back of the number plate and then covered in chain lube or even down on the swing arm if obscured by footrest hangers.

Of course you have a point but, when the popo give you the beckon, they will have ascertained that you have rego and or wof before they get out of their car. You would have to be a real awkward bastard before they would ever ticket you for failing to display on your bike I suspect.

[RDJ]

Ahhh but it is when it comes to vehicular offences.

Second that

Beat a child to death = mustn't leap to conclusions...

Exceed WOF time / licensing period / speed by 1-5% = guilty, pay up, ya evil lawbreaker....

[spanner spinner]

As per the letter of the law your reg warrant should be bolted to the bike on the same face as the number plate so that the number plate reg/wof can all be viewed by the officer at the same time without them having to walk all round the bike. most police are not this anal and realise that on some moden sport bikes this is not easily achived. I have personaly seen a ticket written for reg/wof not displayed (where under the seat and both current) the cop stopped the two of us for a quick chat (where just over the speed limit) and my friend did not know when to shut up so he got the ticket. So yes you normaly have to be a dick head to get a ticket for this.

[Subike]

As per the letter of the law your reg warrant should be bolted to the bike on the same face as the number plate so that the number plate reg/wof can all be viewed by the officer at the same time without them having to walk all round the bike. most police are not this anal and realise that on some moden sport bikes this is not easily achived. I have personaly seen a ticket written for reg/wof not displayed (where under the seat and both current) the cop stopped the two of us for a quick chat (where just over the speed limit) and my friend did not know when to shut up so he got the ticket. So yes you normaly have to be a dick head to get a ticket for this.

please.
registration plate and licence to operate vehicle on the road are two different things.
When will you people learn
the reg is always displayed when you have a registration plate fitted to the rear of your bike.
its the positioning of the licence and wof that you need to ensure is in the right place

[mashman]

Result, no further action is to be taken. Awwwww, they're really really nice, really.

[Coldrider]

Result, no further action is to be taken. Awwwww, they're really really nice, really.yet the doris (not so dumb) who gave way to the camera car on the broken yellows got busted plus court cost tripling the amoumt to pay. S'pose a female does not know how to beg?:innocent:

[mashman]

yet the doris (not so dumb) who gave way to the camera car on the broken yellows got busted plus court cost tripling the amoumt to pay. S'pose a female does not know how to beg?:innocent:

:rofl:, I'm pretty experienced in beggin, married a Scot :shifty: and speak the language of dumb exceptionally well... bummer for the poor lass, praps I should become a lawyer to defend the intelligent against the dumb