4kmh tolerance for Waitangi Weekend until 29 February?

[Deano]

Just heard from a reliable source that tickets will be issued by officers (and speed cameras) for 5km/h over the limit.

Not just Waitangi weekend but for all of February.

[Maha]

What is the open road speed limit again?

Caution..Rhetotical question in progress

[sil3nt]

What is the open road speed limit again?Don't drop below 100 seems to be the mentality.

[Scuba_Steve]

Just heard from a reliable source that tickets will be issued by officers (and speed cameras) for 5km/h over the limit.

Not just Waitangi weekend but for all of February.

It's gonna become permanent eventually, they gotta keep their profits up.

[willytheekid]

-FFS <_<

The stats have clearly shown this heavy handed shit dosn't work...but they clearly LOVE the revenue:love:

...mind you, I don't ride on holidays & long weekends, its just to bloody dangerous nowdays...everyone is watching their speedo's instead of the road! :laugh:

All for our "safety"!...PFFFT!!, YEAH RIGHT!

[Maha]

Don't drop below 100 seems to be the mentality.

Alot of road users find it hard to reach 100kph.

What would be a fair tolerance?
Or should there be no tolerance at all?

[george formby]

Alot of road users find it hard to reach 100kph.

What would be a fair tolerance?
Or should there be no tolerance at all?

Yup, the speed limit round here at the mo is either 60 or 160. Annoying either way. Beware the Toyota Yaris rental car.....

[steve_t]

-FFS <_<

The stats have clearly shown this heavy handed shit dosn't work...but they clearly LOVE the revenue:love:

...mind you, I don't ride on holidays & long weekends, its just to bloody dangerous nowdays...everyone is watching their speedo's instead of the road! :laugh:

All for our "safety"!...PFFFT!!, YEAH RIGHT!

Yup. Statistically speaking, it's more dangerous to drive/ride during times when the speed tolerance has been reduced than at other times!

[javawocky]

What would be a fair tolerance?
Or should there be no tolerance at all?

NO Tolerance and increase speed limit to 110 (well 120 would be nice but you get my point)

This moving the goal posts is bull.

[Paul in NZ]

Last time I got a $30 fine for doing 106kph on a motorway on ramp....

FFS, its no excuse but I had a few other things to look at than the speedo while I was trying to merge.... Oh well, at least it was only $30

[oneofsix]

Last time I got a $30 fine for doing 106kph on a motorway on ramp....

FFS, its no excuse but I had a few other things to look at than the speedo while I was trying to merge.... Oh well, at least it was only $30

yep this tolerance :bs: really teaches you to drive at the correct speed for the conditions. I mean why should I waste brain cells on judging the correct speed when someone will post a sign - right. Operating a vehicle on public roads doesn't require thinking but deciding where I am going to get my coffee and which one I am going to have, now that requires real brain work.

:jerry:

[5150]

If this last long weekend is anything to go by, there was no Police at all on the roads on which we travelled on. And thats between Hamilton and Stratford and back. And I didn't exactly see many motorists obeying the 100km limit anyway.:confused:

[Bassmatt]

How many others just travel at 109 km/h (or 104 when required) all the time due to the known tolerance?
Thats how I roll :cool: (when im not actually speeding)

[GrayWolf]

How many others just travel at 109 km/h (or 104 when required) all the time due to the known tolerance?
Thats how I roll :cool:

Yup that's about me as well. Do I up the ante? yes sometimes, I admit to that. Frequently that would be the result of overtaking one or more cars on a short overtaking lane area. ( back roads aside :bleh: ) What does make it 'hard' with a lot of bikes is they are nowhere near the speeds they are designed to run at, when doing 100kph. Hence one of the reasons the Zed languishes these days. I am actually hopeful that the LAM's change will see a lot of riders staying with their 'learner bikes' rather than an immediate leap to upgrade. One beneifit of the LAM's bikes I see is that they will be more 'legal speeds' friendly in their power delivery, rather than needing 6,7,8,000 plus rpm to produce 'serious' power.

[Zamiam]

Just heard from a reliable source that tickets will be issued by officers (and speed cameras) for 5km/h over the limit.

Not just Waitangi weekend but for all of February.

:scratch: Why? Oh thats right surplus was revised down so they need the :Police: to lift the funds

[TimeOut]

How many others just travel at 109 km/h (or 104 when required) all the time due to the known tolerance?
Thats how I roll :cool: (when im not actually speeding)

Yep thats me most of the time:innocent:

[awa355]

Wont worry me,<_< I always travel at 98kph on the highway, open road, blind corners, crash scenes, rural schools, roadworks, wandering stock, heavy traffic, intersections, cow crossings. Completely legal:bleh::bleh::rolleyes::rolleyes:

At 98k's, I can pass all those cautionary speed advisory signs without having to slow down to read them.

[FJRider]

How many others just travel at 109 km/h (or 104 when required) all the time due to the known tolerance?
Thats how I roll :cool: (when im not actually speeding)

The flaw in this practice ...

ANY tolerance given (expected) is totally at the DESCRETION of the officer that "finds" you exceeding the posted speed limit. This can happen if you are even just ONE km/hr over the limit.

Each Officer has a different perspective/opinion on what is dangerous/acceptable ... at the time. My advice ... is to look at it like a lottery ... are you feeling lucky ... ???

[FJRider]

Wont worry me,<_< I always travel at 98kph on the highway, open road, blind corners, crash scenes, rural schools, roadworks, wandering stock, heavy traffic, intersections, cow crossings. Completely legal:bleh::bleh::rolleyes::rolleyes:

At 98k's, I can pass all those cautionary speed advisory signs without having to slow down to read them.

UNDER the limit is not always "legal" ... if an Officer deems it dangerous ... a ticket is issued ...

Then it's ... "tell it to the judge" ...

[SMOKEU]

Alot of road users find it hard to reach 100kph.

What would be a fair tolerance?
Or should there be no tolerance at all?

I personally think that cops should look the other way if someone is speeding on a long, straight road in good conditions with a well maintained vehicle if the rider/driver is quite experienced at operating that type of vehicle as long as the road is pretty much deserted. After all, if I'm doing 200kmh on a deserted countryside road, who else am I going to harm? I could fuck myself up, but then again, I could get drunk and go downhill mountain biking (which is completely legal) and fuck myself up just as bad. Or I could go paragliding or hang gliding, that could kill me as well.

[steve_t]

I personally think that cops should look the other way if someone is speeding on a long, straight road in good conditions with a well maintained vehicle if the rider/driver is quite experienced at operating that type of vehicle as long as the road is pretty much deserted. After all, if I'm doing 200kmh on a deserted countryside road, who else am I going to harm? I could fuck myself up, but then again, I could get drunk and go downhill mountain biking (which is completely legal) and fuck myself up just as bad. Or I could go paragliding or hang gliding, that could kill me as well.

How does the cop assess whether the rider/driver is experienced?

[NighthawkNZ]

The flaw in this practice ...

ANY tolerance given (expected) is totally at the DESCRETION of the officer that "finds" you exceeding the posted speed limit. This can happen if you are even just ONE km/hr over the limit.

Each Officer has a different perspective/opinion on what is dangerous/acceptable ... at the time. My advice ... is to look at it like a lottery ... are you feeling lucky ... ???


UNDER the limit is not always "legal" ... if an Officer deems it dangerous ... a ticket is issued ...

Then it's ... "tell it to the judge" ...

No speedo is that accurate for a start... most radars can be out a couple of kph out as well even if it has been properly calibrated... and no human can keep a constant speed through hills and corners, including bumps and humps in the road, all vehicles speed up and slow down on these, and it is up to the driver to re-adjust , hence there has to be a tolorance... the trick for all is finding something that is acceptable to all

The average speedo is reading higher than what you actual speed is anyway, ie- speedo reading 100kph you will find you are most likely only doing 95kph...

Another thing for all those people that have changed their tyres profile and gearing and even some that changed wheels on there bike can all effect the speedo read out on many bikes.....

[5150]

Interresting thought re LAM's bikes. Since there will now be selected 650cc motorcycles avaliable for the learners, how will that affect the ACC levies as far as cc rating is concerned. Wouldn't it make sense that if the government finally recognised that cc rating has nothing to do with safety , and finally restricted learners to power (so they can't buy RGV, NSR etc and kill them selves) you would think that the whole ACC levy bs based on cc rating will be either altered or scrapped all together. Otherwise they are contradicting them selves by saying, yes it is safe for you to buy a particular learner approved 650cc motorcycle to learn on, but at the same time charge you highest ACC rate because you are more likely to hurt your self more on that larger capacity bike.

:confused:

[NighthawkNZ]

How does the cop assess whether the rider/driver is experienced?

pfft with their mind reading powers... don't you know nuffink..

[FJRider]

Interresting thought re LAM's bikes. Since there will now be selected 650cc motorcycles avaliable for the learners, how will that affect the ACC levies as far as cc rating is concerned. Wouldn't it make sense that if the government finally recognised that cc rating has nothing to do with safety , and finally restricted learners to power (so they can't buy RGV, NSR etc and kill them selves) you would think that the whole ACC levy bs based on cc rating will be either altered or scrapped all together. Otherwise they are contradicting them selves by saying, yes it is safe for you to buy a particular learner approved 650cc motorcycle to learn on, but at the same time charge you highest ACC rate because you are more likely to hurt your self more on that larger capacity bike.

:confused:

The biggest risk of a large capacity bike ... is when it falls over (on top of you) ...

[SMOKEU]

How does the cop assess whether the rider/driver is experienced?

It's pretty easy to tell if someone can drive or ride properly.

[5150]

The biggest risk of a large capacity bike ... is when it falls over (on top of you) ...

Big or small, it doesn't really matter. You are fucked either way.....<_<

[Brian d marge]

This Amp goes to eleven..baby ! http://youtu.be/EbVKWCpNFhY

I will be doin 105

Donut vouchers will be freely given

Stephen

[TimeOut]

This Amp goes to eleven..baby ! http://youtu.be/EbVKWCpNFhY

I will be doin 105

Donut vouchers will be freely given

Stephen

Then you will get a $30 ticket, as I did on the last reduced tolerance for 105 (speed camera)

5 kmph and above will be ticketed

[F5 Dave]

No he won't; Check his location, he isn't joking.

Anyway, lets all pull wheelies & grimace at little old ladies.

[Paul in NZ]

Anyway, lets all pull wheelies & grimace at little old ladies.

Careful man - some of those old ladies are awful mean.......

[MSTRS]

Careful man - some of those old ladies are awful mean.......

I'll say... http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_91MaiKM4ZAc/SYSHnA1RzxI/AAAAAAAACSc/H8lEEarHi5k/s400/Hells+Grannies.jpg

[5150]

I'll say... http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_91MaiKM4ZAc/SYSHnA1RzxI/AAAAAAAACSc/H8lEEarHi5k/s400/Hells+Grannies.jpg

:shit: Hey, thats my moma there in the middle....:crazy:

[Bassmatt]

The flaw in this practice ...

ANY tolerance given (expected) is totally at the DESCRETION of the officer that "finds" you exceeding the posted speed limit. This can happen if you are even just ONE km/hr over the limit.

Each Officer has a different perspective/opinion on what is dangerous/acceptable ... at the time. My advice ... is to look at it like a lottery ... are you feeling lucky ... ???

Well I havent been ticketed yet, in fact Ive lost count how many times Ive been doing more than 110kph and passed a police car coming the other way.
Last time I was doing 119kph and he didnt bat an eyelid.
Not sure why or how I keep getting away with this but I will continue until I get ticketed. :confused:
Oh, thats actual speed not indicated.

[jasonu]

It's pretty easy to tell if someone can drive or ride properly.

According to you all the good drivers are doing 200kmh on a deserted countryside road.

[FJRider]

Well I havent been ticketed yet, in fact Ive lost count how many times Ive been doing more than 110kph and passed a police car coming the other way.
Last time I was doing 119kph and he didnt bat an eyelid.
Not sure why or how I keep getting away with this but I will continue until I get ticketed. :confused:
Oh, thats actual speed not indicated.

Most likely ... it will either be a "descretion" thing ... or just "bigger fish to fry" ...

A hassle for them to turn and chase, or are on a mission of more importance ... (or going home at the end of their shift)

[SMOKEU]

According to you all the good drivers are doing 200kmh on a deserted countryside road.

I never said that. Learn to read properly before you start accusing me of making statements that I never made.

[short-circuit]

What is the open road speed limit again?

Caution..Rhetotical question in progress

does my bum look big at this speed?

[steve_t]

Well I havent been ticketed yet, in fact Ive lost count how many times Ive been doing more than 110kph and passed a police car coming the other way.
Last time I was doing 119kph and he didnt bat an eyelid.
Not sure why or how I keep getting away with this but I will continue until I get ticketed. :confused:
Oh, thats actual speed not indicated.

Might have struggled to get a radar lock on you :msn-wink:

[FJRider]

No speedo is that accurate for a start... most radars can be out a couple of kph out as well even if it has been properly calibrated... and no human can keep a constant speed through hills and corners, including bumps and humps in the road, all vehicles speed up and slow down on these, and it is up to the driver to re-adjust , hence there has to be a tolorance... the trick for all is finding something that is acceptable to all


The accuracy of the speedo is up to the vehicle operator to know. NOT knowing, is not a defence ... if a ticket is issued for exceeding the posted speed limit.

It is left to the descretion of the Officer to issue (or not) a ticket for speeding.

Their very ability to reduce any "tolerance" without any repercussions in law, at ANY time THEY choose ... proves this.

Acceptable or not ... to you ... or anyboy else ... is not an issue in law. Just Police policy ... and policys change ... (funny that)

And those that continue (to get caught) speeding ... merely reinforces (by the thinking of policy makers) ... their policy is correct.

[bsasuper]

Mmmm, reliable source,... yeah right.:no:

[FJRider]

According to you all the good drivers are doing 200kmh on a deserted countryside road.

The GOOD one's DON'T get caught ... Those that DO ... are NOOBS ...

[Maha]

I personally think that cops should look the other way if someone is speeding on a long, straight road in good conditions with a well maintained vehicle if the rider/driver is quite experienced at operating that type of vehicle as long as the road is pretty much deserted. After all, if I'm doing 200kmh on a deserted countryside road, who else am I going to harm? I could fuck myself up, but then again, I could get drunk and go downhill mountain biking (which is completely legal) and fuck myself up just as bad. Or I could go paragliding or hang gliding, that could kill me as well.

Fortunately, the cops have no say in how we behave of the road...
On the road how ever...they do.

[FJRider]

Fortunately, the cops have no say in how we behave of the road...


If there is a risk of "endangering public safety" or "reckless disregard for one's own safety" yes they DO ...

The attempt at suicide is apparently ... illegal ... and you can be charged for it ...

[Maha]

If there is a risk of "endangering public safety" or "reckless disregard for one's own safety" yes they DO ...

Suicide is apparently ... illegal ...

You mean they show no tolerance?...:rolleyes:

[FJRider]

You mean they show no tolerance?...:rolleyes:

And a very SMALL cell awaits ...

[Deano]

Mmmm, reliable source,... yeah right.:no:

Pffffffttt.

10ch

[Brian d marge]

My location is about to change , 2 week holiday in NZ next month

and 30 dollars is ,,,,drum roll .......... 1880 yen or 2 beers in a pub

Free donuts come and get your free donuts ,,,,,

Eleven baby , not ten , but eleven

Stephen

[Scuba_Steve]

My location is about to change , 2 week holiday in NZ next month

and 30 dollars is ,,,,drum roll .......... 1880 yen or 2 beers in a pub

Free donuts come and get your free donuts ,,,,,

Eleven baby , not ten , but eleven

Stephen

You passing through the Wellington region??? I could use some free donuts :D

[bikaholic]

The speed tolerance is 3km/h in Victoria, including speed camera with demerits for the driver, PERMANENTLY.

[James Deuce]

Mmmm, reliable source,... yeah right.:no: It's Deano. His reliable source is your alien spacecraft witnessed by 2.5 billion human beings not on LSD and able to communicate effectively in half a dozen languages. He's one of maybe five people on KB you could trust to pick up your Lotto winnings up in Wellington and deliver to your address of choice in Invercargill without spending a cent of it.

If you're going to pull that Tui shit, or express disbelief that there are actually human beings incapable of a completely honourable composure 100% of the time, pick a better target.

[Brian d marge]

You passing through the Wellington region??? I could use some free donuts :D

Sorry this offer is open to the south Island only

Sorry, Not good at north , " going south" is a particular forte of mine

Stephen

If you get pinged in waitangi day , Ill help with the fine

[Zamiam]

Interresting thought re LAM's bikes. Since there will now be selected 650cc motorcycles avaliable for the learners, how will that affect the ACC levies as far as cc rating is concerned. Wouldn't it make sense that if the government finally recognised that cc rating has nothing to do with safety , and finally restricted learners to power (so they can't buy RGV, NSR etc and kill them selves) you would think that the whole ACC levy bs based on cc rating will be either altered or scrapped all together. Otherwise they are contradicting them selves by saying, yes it is safe for you to buy a particular learner approved 650cc motorcycle to learn on, but at the same time charge you highest ACC rate because you are more likely to hurt your self more on that larger capacity bike.

:confused:

Very good point

[mossy1200]

Is all of Feb confirmed???
Im going to have to do 94clicks thats gunna make people sick.Tin tops is gunna pass me all day long.

[James Deuce]

"If the trailer, including its load, is more than half the weight of your motorcycle, the maximum speed you can ride is 40km/h."

Leave the kids at home.

[mossy1200]

"If the trailer, including its load, is more than half the weight of your motorcycle, the maximum speed you can ride is 40km/h."

Leave the kids at home.


Im ok MT01 isnt a lightweight.
I could put a second trailer behind the first and still be ok. Trailer 35kg load about 35 bike is 7 tonne

[scumdog]

The speed tolerance is 3km/h in Victoria, including speed camera with demerits for the driver, PERMANENTLY.


How can that be, how dare they????

Does Victoria not realise NZ is meant to be THE worst place in the world for stringently punishing those that exceed the speed-limit be even a poofteenth of a Km!!:devil2:

[scumdog]

I personally think that cops should look the other way if someone is speeding on a long, straight road in good conditions with a well maintained vehicle if the rider/driver is quite experienced at operating that type of vehicle as long as the road is pretty much deserted.

Is said 'quite experienced' rider supposed to have a weally, weallly big banner on the back of the bike that proclaims 'Quite Experienced Rider' so the cop will know "Ah, no need to stop THAT guy"??:rolleyes:

[bikaholic]

How can that be, how dare they????

Does Victoria not realise NZ is meant to be THE worst place in the world for stringently punishing those that exceed the speed-limit be even a poofteenth of a Km!!:devil2:Pffft, their (in)tolerance is more stringent than their ADR speedo accuracy, but hey, bikers are allowed to park all over their man sized footpaths (compensation ?).

[SMOKEU]

Is said 'quite experienced' rider supposed to have a weally, weallly big banner on the back of the bike that proclaims 'Quite Experienced Rider' so the cop will know "Ah, no need to stop THAT guy"??:rolleyes:

Well, you're the expert.

[GingerMidget]

*dons tinfoil helmet*

revenue gathering bastards.

*lurks out*

[rastuscat]

:scratch: Why? Oh thats right surplus was revised down so they need the :Police: to lift the funds

Yeah, bastards.

Each ticket for less than 10km/h over costs $30.

The cost to issue and process that ticket is $26.

Yeah, they'll solve the national debt with the extra $4.

Yeah right. If it was about revenue, they'd all be out checking on diesel mileages.

[pritch]

This sudden burst of pedantry is less than convenient. I'll be on leave for the next three weeks and was planning on doing a couple of trips.
Some considerable part of these would be relatively risk free, and I guess that I won't have to worry particularly about school zones...

[pritch]

Yeah, bastards.

The cost to issue and process that ticket is $26.



Maybe somebody is overpaid, works very slowly, or both? :devil2:

[James Deuce]

Maybe somebody is overpaid, works very slowly, or both? :devil2:

And may send out an unnecessary demand 50 years later.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/oddstuff/6347801/Bill-sent-50-years-after-fine-paid

[Swoop]

Maybe somebody is overpaid, works very slowly, or both? :devil2:
That's public servants for ya.:rolleyes:

[Sliver]

its like this for ever public holiday now.

[Marmoot]

Yeah, bastards.

Each ticket for less than 10km/h over costs $30.

The cost to issue and process that ticket is $26.

Yeah, they'll solve the national debt with the extra $4.

Yeah right. If it was about revenue, they'd all be out checking on diesel mileages.

So why bother?

[steve_t]

So why bother?

Because traveling at 105km/h on the open road is really really dangerous, of course!! :Pokey:

[Berries]

Yeah, bastards.

Each ticket for less than 10km/h over costs $30.

The cost to issue and process that ticket is $26.

Yeah, they'll solve the national debt with the extra $4.

Yeah right. If it was about revenue, they'd all be out checking on diesel mileages.
Well less than 10km/h over an arbitrarily set speed limit isn't much, especially when you take in to account hills and stuff, flat straight sections with no intersections and the width of the needle. Add the $4 to the salary time and operating costs, multiply by the additional carbon emissions that result from a u-turn and excessive acceleration, take away the square root of the crash risk of said motorist, perhaps one with 40 years clean driving history so best divide that by their annual ACC cost. Add the gross revenue from half a dozen donuts and the box of piss at the end of the shift and the total works out at minus 1.34853.

The best fiscal option might be be to catch burglars. Perhaps we should ask that Morgan bloke, he owes me $30 worth of real work.

[Gremlin]

Is said 'quite experienced' rider supposed to have a weally, weallly big banner on the back of the bike that proclaims 'Quite Experienced Rider' so the cop will know "Ah, no need to stop THAT guy"??:rolleyes:
Oh for goodness sake! When you spot someone doing 200kph, you're meant to pull them over. After receiving a tirade of abuse, questioning your work ethic, parentage and appendages, you should apologise for wasting his time by saying "Sorry guv'na", offer him one of your personal donuts and after copping some more flack, ask him to buckle in their kids and to have a good day.

Sounds about right? :confused:

[GrayWolf]

Quote Originally Posted by scumdog View Post
Is said 'quite experienced' rider supposed to have a weally, weallly big banner on the back of the bike that proclaims 'Quite Experienced Rider' so the cop will know "Ah, no need to stop THAT guy"??


Oh for goodness sake! When you spot someone doing 200kph, you're meant to pull them over. After receiving a tirade of abuse, questioning your work ethic, parentage and appendages, you should apologise for wasting his time by saying "Sorry guv'na", offer him one of your personal donuts and after copping some more flack, ask him to buckle in their kids and to have a good day.

Sounds about right? :confused:

No you're both wrong, Once he produces his ID card for completing the SmokeU school of riding, you KNOW he's experienced, and you can let him off with a cheery wave goodbye

[rastuscat]

So why bother?

Good question, well asked.

It's to create the perception, however subconscious, that if you speed you'll be fined. That slows most people down. It's a deterrent.

Funny old thing, maybe it's about road safety.

[Kickaha]

Funny old thing, maybe it's about road safety.

Road safety? Like the speed camera van parked on the side of the Northern Motorway

Must be an accident black spot:facepalm:

[oneofsix]

Good question, well asked.

It's to create the perception, however subconscious, that if you speed you'll be fined. That slows most people down. It's a deterrent.

Funny old thing, maybe it's about road safety.

See the propaganda does work. Rastuscat at least believes the :bs: When they are on longer pointing their radar guns into areas where every knows the limit is too low and therefore ignores it and yet there are never any crashes then you might stand a microscopic chance with that road safety line.

[Zamiam]

Yeah, bastards.

Each ticket for less than 10km/h over costs $30.

The cost to issue and process that ticket is $26.

Yeah, they'll solve the national debt with the extra $4.

Yeah right. If it was about revenue, they'd all be out checking on diesel mileages.

Assuming your numbers are right Mr Plod then what is it about? Don't say safety because if it was we'd be more interested in making sure drivers were looking at the road instead of their speedos. And yes I know this probably equates to an indicated speed of 109-110 on most speedos because of their in accuracy.

[Maha]

So why bother?

Because its not about the money (that just fabel)
Its about enforcing the set speed limit on our roads.
Why is it difficult for some to get that?

[Zamiam]

Because its not about the money (that just fabel)
Its about enforcing the set speed limit on our roads.
Why is it difficult for some to get that?

And why is it so difficult for some to understand that the more time spent checking your speedo the less time you are paying attention to your driving environment.

[Drew]

Mmmm, reliable source,... yeah right.:no:


It's Deano. His reliable source is your alien spacecraft witnessed by 2.5 billion human beings not on LSD and able to communicate effectively in half a dozen languages. He's one of maybe five people on KB you could trust to pick up your Lotto winnings up in Wellington and deliver to your address of choice in Invercargill without spending a cent of it.

If you're going to pull that Tui shit, or express disbelief that there are actually human beings incapable of a completely honourable composure 100% of the time, pick a better target.
I wasn't gonna put it quite so well. So what he said.

How can that be, how dare they????

Does Victoria not realise NZ is meant to be THE worst place in the world for stringently punishing those that exceed the speed-limit be even a poofteenth of a Km!!:devil2:


Is said 'quite experienced' rider supposed to have a weally, weallly big banner on the back of the bike that proclaims 'Quite Experienced Rider' so the cop will know "Ah, no need to stop THAT guy"??:rolleyes:


Yeah, bastards.

Each ticket for less than 10km/h over costs $30.

The cost to issue and process that ticket is $26.

Yeah, they'll solve the national debt with the extra $4.

Yeah right. If it was about revenue, they'd all be out checking on diesel mileages.

Ok officers, tell me truthfully. Do you think the powers that be, are onto a winner in making our roads safer, by lowering the tollerences?

That being said, the tollerence is still the officer who does the stoppings, and his alone.

[Drew]

And why is it so difficult for some to understand that the more time spent checking your speedo the less time you are paying attention to your driving environment.What a fuckin crock!

If you can't check your speed every ten seconds safely, you shouldn't ride or drive.

If you get pulled over and say you weren't looking at your speedo, I reckon a careless use ticket should be given.

[oneofsix]

What a fuckin crock!

If you can't check your speed every ten seconds safely, you shouldn't ride or drive.

If you get pulled over and say you weren't looking at your speedo, I reckon a careless use ticket should be given.

My speed can vary a lot in ten seconds, especially when affected by the Welly wind.
Got ta lay off doze beans boy.

[Maha]

What a fuckin crock!

If you can't check your speed every ten seconds safely, you shouldn't ride or drive.

If you get pulled over and say you weren't looking at your speedo, I reckon a careless use ticket should be given.

I feel the sarcasm....
If you choose to ride/drive over the posted speed limit and get caught...you have two options (I am sure you'll think of more) and they are...accept it and pay or shut the fuck up because..moaning/bitching and stamping ones feet wont make it go away.
The receiving of a speeding ticket was made by the driver/rider long before actually getting it.

[oneofsix]

I feel the sarcasm....
If you choose to ride/drive over the posted speed limit and get caught...you have two options (I am sure you'll think of more) and they are...accept it and pay or shut the fuck up because..moaning/bitching and stamping ones feet wont make it go away.
The receiving of a speeding ticket was made by the driver/rider long before actually getting it.

With only a 4k tolerance it is the choosing that is the issue. Easy to break that tolerance without even knowing. And other times the choice is between safety and breaking the tolerance, despite what Rustuscat and co would have us believe obeying the limit ain't a good choice to reflect upon from hospital.

[Maha]

With only a 4k tolerance it is the choosing that is the issue. Easy to break that tolerance without even knowing. And other times the choice is between safety and breaking the tolerance, despite what Rustuscat and co would have us believe obeying the limit ain't a good choice to reflect upon from hospital.

I travel over the speed limit all the time (where I can)...I am guessing I am not alone there?
Last time I got caught, I said to the cop '' no worries mate, I know the rules''.
I ended up getting off that ticket but thats beside the point...
Point is...the choice is there for all road users.
So is the open road road speed limit.

[oneofsix]

I travel over the speed limit all the time (where I can)...I am guessing I am not alone there?
Last time I got caught, I said to the cop '' no worries mate, I know the rules''.
I ended up getting off that ticket but thats beside the point...
Point is...the choice is there for all road users.
So is the open road road speed limit.

:Oops: sorry didn't realise this thread was all about you. I thought it was all about rustuscat trying to rationalise what he will be doing over the next few days so he can live with himself.

:jerry:
:sunny:

[Maha]

:Oops: sorry didn't realise this thread was all about you. I thought it was all about rustuscat trying to rationalise what he will be doing over the next few days so he can live with himself.

:jerry:
:sunny:

The thread is about the the open road speed limit being nothing but mythical. (to some)

[oneofsix]

The thread is about the the open road speed limit being nothing but mythical. (to some)

If you must ...
Mythical - no
Arbitrary - yes
Relevant - now there is a debate as to how and why
But the 4k tolerance doesn't just apply to the open road or the :Police: that will be at the Paramata bridge this weekend has it wrong.
After being held up by the cage that doggidly stuck to what they thought was the limit in the higher speed areas then left us 100s of metres behind in the 50 k area only to be overtaken by a B-train in the 100k area following (after the B-train caught up again) makes, you think the target is a bit off. Too be fair to :Police: they do target the 50k area in question quite heavily, it has nice steep down hills that catch people out when they are too busy looking for pedestrians instead of checking their speedos, once every 10 second checks aren't enough.

[5150]

You guys have all forgotten that no KB member ever broke speed limit. We are all law obiding citizens here. NOT.... :innocent:

[oneofsix]

You guys have all forgotten that no KB member ever broke speed limit. We are all law obiding citizens here. NOT.... :innocent:

Yeah good point. What's the point of arguing over the limits and the tolerance applied to them when we never exceed them? It's a bit like trying to make the world a better place when it is already perfect.

[Scuba_Steve]

Good question, well asked.

It's to create the perception, however subconscious, that if you speed you'll be fined. That slows most people down. It's a deterrent.

Funny old thing, maybe it's about road safety.

:laugh: :rofl: you crack me up sometimes RC
I would like to know tho this $26 you made up, is that one of these "costs" like "it 'costs' 20,000 for an ambulance" ignoring the fact we're already paying the staff despite them doing anything or not, so the real cost is more like 100$ for fuel???


What a fuckin crock!

If you can't check your speed every ten seconds safely, you shouldn't ride or drive.

If you get pulled over and say you weren't looking at your speedo, I reckon a careless use ticket should be given.

so your attention is off the road at-least 12secs every minute... nice one, dangerous driving I think. And you still have to check you mirrors.
There is NOTHING safe about taking your eyes off the road Nothing!.


The thread is about the the open road speed limit being nothing but mythical. (to some)

No it's about the current limits & the way they're inforced being bullshit.

[MSTRS]

There is NOTHING safe about taking your eyes off the road Nothing!.


Nor is there anything safe about concentrating 100% on the road...that's when you miss seeing that tax van off to the side in the bushes.

[pritch]

Good question, well asked.

Funny old thing, maybe it's about road safety.

Good joke, well told. :whistle:

[Maha]

Good question, well asked.

It's to create the perception, however subconscious, that if you speed you'll be fined. That slows most people down. It's a deterrent.

Funny old thing, maybe it's about road safety.

You're absolutely right on one point..
'It's to create the perception, however subconscious, that if you speed you'll be fined. That slows most people down. It's a deterrent'.
Everyone who sees a cop car/parked van will slow down no matter what speed they are doing.

About road safety?... not so much I dont think..a head on at 100 kph is not that safe to be honest.
So there are other areas that should be targeted when it comes to road safety. (slow speed drivers causing frustration for one)
But 100 kph is the open road speed limit and if you get caught exceeding that limit then sucks to be you.

[James Deuce]

You're absolutely right on one point..
'It's to create the perception, however subconscious, that if you speed you'll be fined. That slows most people down. It's a deterrent'.
Everyone who sees a cop car/parked van will slow down no matter what speed they are doing.

About road safety?... not so much I dont think..a head on at 100 kph is not that safe to be honest.
So there are other areas that should be targeted when it comes to road safety. (slow speed drivers causing frustration for one)
But 100 kph is the open road speed limit and if you get caught exceeding that limit then sucks to be you.

Was overtaken by a quite aggressive driver (I was on the RVF) who raced up behind me and tailgated while I legally went past the traffic in the left lane. Chap had trouble staying within his lane boundaries too. As soon as I was past I indicated and moved left - as he tried to dive up my left while I was changing lanes. He tooted and gestured and swerved back to the right and I spotted the Cop up ahead.

I dropped back because I knew what was coming - He nailed the brakes hard and swerved straight into the left lane as soon as he saw the cop.

It's rare but happens enough for me to consider other driver's behaviour when they see cops on the side of the road a hazard.

[Drew]

Too be fair to :Police: they do target the 50k area in question quite heavily, it has nice steep down hills that catch people out when they are too busy looking for pedestrians instead of checking their speedos, once every 10 second checks aren't enough.I'm all for them targetting 50kph zones heavily. All of them! Hilly bits and all. If you lack the vehicle control to modulate your speed on a down hill section of rode, GET AND STAY THE FUCK OFF THEM!



so your attention is off the road at-least 12secs every minute... nice one, dangerous driving I think. And you still have to check you mirrors.
There is NOTHING safe about taking your eyes off the road Nothing!.
12 seconds is bollucks! Takes well less than a second to glance at the speedo and then back to the road. More to check mirrors, because it's harder to register what is happening in them because it always changes a lot.

I read from your logic, (if it can be called that(I seriously don't think so)), that 200Kph and looking where you're going, is safer than 100Kph and glancing at the speedo for half a second.


I spotted the Cop up ahead.

I dropped back because I knew what was coming - He nailed the brakes hard and swerved straight into the left lane as soon as he saw the cop.

It's rare but happens enough for me to consider other driver's behaviour when they see cops on the side of the road a hazard.I hate the driver mentality, that jamming the brakes on and then checking their speed is the best course of action. It shouldn't be a problem though, if everyone was obeying the law and not following too close.

Now, I didn't need to think very hard at all to reply to these three quotes. What does that say about the drivers and riders on our roads? It says kiwis on the whole, are piss fuckin poor! My reasoning for that conclusion, is that we all see it every friggin day, so to formulate a response is near automatic because the situations are so common.

The 4kph tollerence, is still around about 10kph in a real sense anyway. Since few people realise that nearly every speedo reads 5 or 6% high. So anyone getting a 5kph ticket, thought they were doing 10kph over the limit anyway.

I know my speedo to be spot on in my van, and sitting on 102 on the motorway I'm usually stuck in the right lane for catching up with people.

[willytheekid]

:confused:...if its all about "safety"

...why don't they just set the "limit" at 5k over all the time??

...Is it because the accuracy of a motor vehicles speedo is only required to be within 10%? (@100k, thats a 10k allowable difference)...and didn't the NZ AA even "try" to point this out, and even fight! this 4k limit rule?, as it is actually breaching motor vehicle standards laws within NZ? (I guess its Ok for those in positions of power/Authority to ignore the Rules when it suits there own needs huh)

And why do the policy makers and police keep trying to market this "semi illegal" rule under the guise of "safety"?...when there own figures that they used to "force" this rule upon us, now show that it is actually having no impact, and infact the figures are getting worse!...I would have thought that a "safety" inspired rule would lower the crash stats?? (Stats...apparently not real, just handy when required:innocent:)

Or is this just another form of enforcement that is there to not only make some revenue...but to make it "look like" the politicians are "trying", and that they actually "care" about the road users of NZ?...all while they cut back on funds for road repairs & up keep, and while they continue to make the cheapest, straightest, most sleep inducing roads the world has ever seen!<_< (even tho studys proves that corners and well designed roads that engage drivers are far LESS likely to crash or fall asleep...but those corners cost ay!)

At the end of the day, you can't blame the cops issuing the tickets (That IS there job after all), the only one to blame for speeding is yourself!

...but to be targeted and threatened! for being human? (As most cruise control systems have a 3-7kph "drift" when in use)...but we humans should be more acurate, more focused and held to higher standards than advanced micro processors and mechanics!...even when tired, on holiday and dealing with the kids and heavy traffic:yes:

...Nanny state has spoken!:bleh:


ps:I just stay off the roads during these silly "propaganda" drives...Ive noticed the traffic is more angry & nervous during these "raids"...and most drivers seem to be focused on there speedos...not the road!:msn-wink:

[FJRider]

:confused:...if its all about "safety"

...why don't they just set the "limit" at 5k over all the time??



The limit(s) ARE set ... IN LAW. (and signs to state what they are in each area)

Any tolerance given is to your/our benefit. If the issue is pressed ... NO tolerances will be given.

[Bassmatt]

:confused:...if its all about "safety"

...why don't they just set the "limit" at 5k over all the time??

...Is it because the accuracy of a motor vehicles speedo is only required to be within 10%?:

There only requirement is that the speedo does not read under your actual speed.
I tried to get some redress for a brand new "learner" motorcycle that had a 16% speedo error and quickly found I didnt have a (legal) leg to stand on

[FJRider]

There only requirement is that the speedo does not read under your actual speed.
I tried to get some redress for a brand new "learner" motorcycle that had a 16% speedo error and quickly found I didnt have a (legal) leg to stand on

The responsibility for keeping within the posted limit is the vehicle operator ... end of story.

[oneofsix]

.....

ps:I just stay off the roads during these silly "propaganda" drives...Ive noticed the traffic is more angry & nervous during these "raids"...and most drivers seem to be focused on there speedos...not the road!:msn-wink:

Second that. So many pissed off drivers and so many self appointed speed nazis.

[Bassmatt]

The responsibility for keeping within the posted limit is the vehicle operator ... end of story.

Im not disputing that, and with the requirement that speedos read high there is no excuse if you sit on 100kph indicated.
However at 16% speedo error my indicated 100kph is only 84 kph, have you ever been frustrated stuck behind someone doing 80 odd?
I think it needs to be addressed and some limit eg no more than 10% error implemented

Oh just to clarify my earlier post I wanted redress from the manufacturer not tptb for an infringement

[rastuscat]

Thanks for all your comments. My pleasure.

The biggest pisser about lowering the tolerance is the number of nobs who want to slow down to 40 when they see a cop in a 50 km/h area. I can fully understand everyones annoyance at that.

To all who think slowing the motoring fleet down is a bad idea, just remember that the physical kinetic energy imparted in a crash is proportional to the speed of the participants. You're better off crashing at a lower speed than a higher speed.

Yes, the speed limits are sometimes arbitrary. But a line has to be drawn somewhere in the sand, and that's where it's been drawn.

The tolerance is exactly that. When I started (late 1700s) we didn't even bat an eye until someone was doing 20 over a speed limit. One guy I worked with would write 68s and 69s outside a school, but even we thought he was a proper nazi. It has taken a lot of years to come to the point where the tolerance is down to 4 km/h, but it's finally here. Funny, when we were applying a 19km/h tolerance in Orkers, Cockrofts Cowboys in Invercargill were rigidly applying a 5 km/h tolerance in Invergiggle. If you drove down Yarrow Street at 55 you overtook all the locals, who lived in fear of the traffic nazis down there.

I used to have a Piaggio Runner, a 180cc 2-stroke screamer. Blew a few boy racers away at light, I can tell you (all within the limits, of course). When doing 50 true km/h the speedo varied between 68 and 72. Apparently it was coz the Italians liked thinking they were going fast, so the Piaggio designers bought into it, and pout grossly over-reading speedos on them, just to stroke the Latino ego. We had a hearty discussion in the office this morning about how speedos almost always read over, so if you get pegged at 105 on the open road, probably your speedo was indicating 110. However, as someone else here pointed out, you'll be charged with whatever the Popo checks you ate, what you speedo (or GPS) is saying actually doesn't matter much. Just in summary, the vast majority of speedos read optomistically, so speedo error isn't going to turn innocent people into ticket targets because oif this new tolerance.

Remember, it's just February at the stage, but my guess is that we'll roll it out to the whole year at some stage soon. One advantage is that it would make it totally clear of what the tolerance is. Nobody would have to wonder again.

Just to add to the discussion really.

[oneofsix]

Thanks for all your comments. My pleasure.

The biggest pisser about lowering the tolerance is the number of nobs who want to slow down to 40 when they see a cop in a 50 km/h area. I can fully understand everyones annoyance at that.

....

Remember, it's just February at the stage, but my guess is that we'll roll it out to the whole year at some stage soon. One advantage is that it would make it totally clear of what the tolerance is. Nobody would have to wonder again.

Just to add to the discussion really.

I'd say that guy is a bigger pisser when they do it at 100k, the gap closes a lot fast before you work out what the F has just happened. This is why speed cameras are appearing in stats as traffic hazards rather than calmers.

It was ok when the tolerance was always 10k, we all understood that and it allow reaction time to high wind, steep down hills etc and a more relaxed driving, more about the road than the speedo.

[Bassmatt]

I'd say that guy is a bigger pisser when they do it at 100k, the gap closes a lot fast before you work out what the F has just happened.
Then you have the people travelling at 85k who still feel the need to slam on the brakes and drop another 20k off their speed, even though the cop is busy dealing with someone on the side of the road. :facepalm:

[MSTRS]

The tolerance is exactly that. When I started (late 1700s) we didn't even bat an eye until someone was doing 20 over a speed limit. One guy I worked with would write 68s and 69s outside a school, but even we thought he was a proper nazi. It has taken a lot of years to come to the point where the tolerance is down to 4 km/h, but it's finally here. Funny, when we were applying a 19km/h tolerance in Orkers, Cockrofts Cowboys in Invercargill were rigidly applying a 5 km/h tolerance in Invergiggle. If you drove down Yarrow Street at 55 you overtook all the locals, who lived in fear of the traffic nazis down there.



24hr clock? Or you are real old...

Lot's of city councils in the 1960s and 70s had their own traffic cops. And they could be vicious bastards. They were in Lower Hutt.
The only good thing was they had a limit to their jurisdiction...

[rastuscat]

24hr clock? Or you are real old...

Lot's of city councils in the 1960s and 70s had their own traffic cops. And they could be vicious bastards. They were in Lower Hutt.
The only good thing was they had a limit to their jurisdiction...

I'm REAL old.

The last local council traffic depts were Napier, Mount Albert, Tamaki, Invercargill and Orkers. I was one of the last Orkers.

It really was the Wild West back then.

[MSTRS]

... I was one of them...

That explains a lot...
You've never been a proper cop
:laugh:

[rastuscat]

That explains a lot...
You've never been a proper cop
:laugh:

Yeah, only 19 years in the Police. Only 5 years of general duties, 1 year being an education cop in schools, and 2 years of CIU. Nah, never been a REAL cop. Sorry.

:facepalm:

[willytheekid]

The limit(s) ARE set ... IN LAW. (and signs to state what they are in each area)

Any tolerance given is to your/our benefit. If the issue is pressed ... NO tolerances will be given.

Actually, tolerances are given to allow for things like environmental, mechanical and human input or error that may adversly effect the process of maintaining a fixed legal speed.
For example, crusie control!...not that acurate, and could in fact put you over the 4k limit...shall we make cruise control illegal to own or operate?
Hils...wind...there are many factors that allow for a mistake or change of speed that may push you under or over the set speed limits, so a level of tolerance needs to be in place.

My comments were pointing out the fact that 4k is a bit "tight" a tolerance, especialy one to be "labeling" people as dangerous drivers or speeders that warrent a ticket or pursuit.

4k is just to tight a margin!...and trying to and sell it as a safety measure for our good?(by labeling us "crims")...is just insulting while the REAL problems continue to go unaddressed.(poor roads, poor driver training, drink drivers, lack of funding for the poilce etc etc)

You know me FJ, I have no problems at all with the law or obeying the rules & speed limits(I ride like a nana for gods sake:laugh:), I also have nothing but respect for the police and the difficult job they do...but you just have to go for a ride during a longweekend or holiday to see the effect these new "rules" have had...and it sure hasn't made the roads safer...has it?

Ride safe mate :love:

[MSTRS]

Yeah, only 19 years in the Police. Only 5 years of general duties, 1 year being an education cop in schools, and 2 years of CIU. Nah, never been a REAL cop. Sorry.

:facepalm:

:rofl: Started as a council cop. In 1700. 312 years later, still HP. The prosecution rests, m'lud.

[Scuba_Steve]

For example, crusie control!...not that acurate, and could in fact put you over the 4k limit...shall we make cruise control illegal to own or operate?

Yes!!!


as you were

[FJRider]

The tolerance is exactly that. When I started (late 1700s) we didn't even bat an eye until someone was doing 20 over a speed limit. One guy I worked with would write 68s and 69s outside a school, but even we thought he was a proper nazi. It has taken a lot of years to come to the point where the tolerance is down to 4 km/h, but it's finally here. Funny, when we were applying a 19km/h tolerance in Orkers, Cockrofts Cowboys in Invercargill were rigidly applying a 5 km/h tolerance in Invergiggle. If you drove down Yarrow Street at 55 you overtook all the locals, who lived in fear of the traffic nazis down there.



Having lived in (near) Invergiggle ... as a child ... and growing up (contrary to common opinion) and going through the driver/rider licence thing ... the lookout was always made for the black viva's ...

The stuff legends and folklore ... were based on. (They gave snakes a bad name... )

[rastuscat]

For example, crusie control!...not that acurate, and could in fact put you over the 4k limit...shall we make cruise control illegal to own or operate?

Cruise control doesn't cause speeding offences, it's the person using the cruise control that causes the speed the vehicle travels at.

Come on Willy, don't blame the Italian Stallion for your tickets........

[yod]

the lookout was always made for the black viva's ...

followed by the MkIII Cortinas :laugh:

[FJRider]

followed by the MkIII Cortinas :laugh:

I had already grown up ... and escaped the area by then ... :innocent:

[yod]

I had already grown up ... and escaped the area by then ... :innocent:


my old man had a Viva as a company car, and then a MkIII - I thought it was the awesomeness cuz the speedo went up to 200 :Punk:

[martybabe]

Yeah, only 19 years in the Police. Only 5 years of general duties, 1 year being an education cop in schools, and 2 years of CIU. Nah, never been a REAL cop. Sorry.

:facepalm:

19 years eh, no wonder you're so intransigent :yawn:

[rastuscat]

They got to use the mayors black Statesman for patrols when he wasn't using it too. Nice.:woohoo:

[rastuscat]

19 years eh, no wonder you're so intransigent :yawn:

19 years sine the integration, 4 years before it, 23 years total.

I'm certainly not intransigent. I used to like people.

[Kickaha]

If you get pulled over and say you weren't looking at your speedo, I reckon a careless use ticket should be given.

Funny I was thinking that as I was ticketed the other day, basically I got a ticket because I wasn't paying attention to the speed I was doing, I'd consider that careless

[FJRider]

followed by the MkIII Cortinas :laugh:



my old man had a Viva as a company car, and then a MkIII

mmmmmmmmmm ... :confused: <_< :pinch:

[martybabe]

[QUOTE=rastuscat;1130249029. I used to like people.[/QUOTE]

I'm sure they used to like you too.

[scumdog]

Because its not about the money (that just fabel)
Its about enforcing the set speed limit on our roads.
Why is it difficult for some to get that?

I feel you are way to obtuse for most ranters here.<_<

"WHo cares about safety - it's a fucking speed limit, obey it - or pay".

THAT is how TPTB should 'market' it, no shilly-shallying around.

Then KB ranters would stop whinging about getting tickets...:rolleyes: (Tuis moment....)

[scumdog]

That explains a lot...
You've never been a proper cop
:laugh:

Wow, I bet you can talk your way out of a shit-load of tickets with THAT line!!:shutup:

[davereid]

"WHo cares about safety - it's a fucking speed limit, obey it - or pay". THAT is how TPTB should 'market' it, no shilly-shallying around.

Thats what I reckon too. Lets stop trying to link it to dodgy science, unprovable statistics and common sense.

Lets treat it like an expired driver licence.
We know you did the test.
We know you have no tickets.
We know its a qualification not an ID card.
We know you already hold a lifetime licence, that we made you sit the test for, pay for, and that we issued you, but we have broken the contract on that.
Your ID card oops licence is too old for the facial recognition software to work properly, so we have to crush your car.

In the interests of public safety of course.

[st00ji]

this 4k tolerance business does anger me.

i've had 2 or 3 tickets for it now (slow learner eh) mainly because i forget that its being enforced. i once got two on the same day, saying i was doing 60k in our cage. i never, and i mean never, go over 60 in 50 zones in the cage, and as someone else mentioned speedos typically read high. so how do you figure that?

then earlier this year i got another one for 55. 55! fuck me.

its a bunch of random BS, im getting tickets for going about my daily business.

if they want to strictly enforce the speed limits thats fine. just say so and fucking do it. if they want to make the so called tolerance 4k, thats also fine. i dont really give a fuck. just be consistent!!!

oh, and dont try and pass it off as some safety thing, what a pile of rubbish. a massive line of traffic all doing 5k over the limit is just as safe as the same line doing 5k under. its muppets going 20k faster than everyone else, or overtaking in silly places that fuck things up. and those are the cunts that dont give a shit about the tolerance, be it 4k or 10.

[FJRider]

Thats what I reckon too. Lets stop trying to link it to dodgy science, unprovable statistics and common sense.

Lets treat it like an expired driver licence.
We know you did the test.
We know you have no tickets.
We know its a qualification not an ID card.
We know you already hold a lifetime licence, that we made you sit the test for, pay for, and that we issued you, but we have broken the contract on that.
Your ID card oops licence is too old for the facial recognition software to work properly, so we have to crush your car.

In the interests of public safety of course.

OR ...

We treat it like a law ... and obey it.

In the interests of safety of not only road users ... but others living, working, moving ... near any public roadway.

[willytheekid]

Cruise control doesn't cause speeding offences, it's the person using the cruise control that causes the speed the vehicle travels at.

Come on Willy, don't blame the Italian Stallion for your tickets........

"cough"....actually

I was referring to the limitations of cruise control in that they actually average 7kph "drift"-either side of a set speed...eg 100k set = possible 93-107kph actual speed, hence the possibility for a mechanical deficiency to allow a person to exceed the rather tight 4k "official" tolerance :sweatdrop
I'm all for increased safety on the roads and safe driving practices (kept me alive on two wheels for 30yrs now...well, 24th of feb is 30yrs:woohoo:), I just don't think this particular "champagne" is actually helping!...it seems to be doing quite the reverse.

As for my PhatGirl...I could never blame my tractor mate:no:...but that Nut that connects the handlebars to the seat!:yes: :laugh:.

Ride safe Ras:niceone:...Oh yeah, have a great trip this weekend :yes:

[willytheekid]

OR ...

We treat it like a law ... and obey it.

In the interests of safety of not only road users ... but others living, working, moving ... near any public roadway.

:blink:.........You used to be cool man!

:laugh:

Have a great weekend FJ, Ride safe :niceone:

[FJRider]

this 4k tolerance business does anger me.

i've had 2 or 3 tickets for it now (slow learner eh) mainly because i forget that its being enforced. i once got two on the same day, saying i was doing 60k in our cage. i never, and i mean never, go over 60 in 50 zones in the cage, and as someone else mentioned speedos typically read high. so how do you figure that?

then earlier this year i got another one for 55. 55! fuck me.

its a bunch of random BS, im getting tickets for going about my daily business.

if they want to strictly enforce the speed limits thats fine. just say so and fucking do it. if they want to make the so called tolerance 4k, thats also fine. i dont really give a fuck. just be consistent!!!

oh, and dont try and pass it off as some safety thing, what a pile of rubbish. a massive line of traffic all doing 5k over the limit is just as safe as the same line doing 5k under. its muppets going 20k faster than everyone else, or overtaking in silly places that fuck things up. and those are the cunts that dont give a shit about the tolerance, be it 4k or 10.

Actually .... in the "Old days" ... the open road "tolerance" was 10 kms/hr. But searching the subject on google ... I found the tolerance was given as 10% of the speed limit. NOT 10 kms/hr over ANY posted speed limit.

[steve_t]

Actually .... in the "Old days" ... the open road "tolerance" was 10 kms/hr. But searching the subject on google ... I found the tolerance was given as 10% of the speed limit. NOT 10 kms/hr over ANY posted speed limit.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/opinion/news/article.cfm?c_id=466&objectid=10730840

Most practically, this sterner attitude led to the trial of a lower tolerance of speeding - down from 10km/h over legal limits to 4km/h - during holiday weekends.

[RDJ]

NO Tolerance and increase speed limit to 110 (well 120 would be nice but you get my point)

This moving the goal posts is bull.

Welll... 'they' have to keep moving the goal posts. Otherwise someone will ask why the authorities claim credit when heavy handed anti-speed measures (allegedly) reduce the road toll, but when the road toll rises those same authorities deny any responsibility....

[scumdog]

Actually .... in the "Old days" ... the open road "tolerance" was 10 kms/hr. But searching the subject on google ... I found the tolerance was given as 10% of the speed limit. NOT 10 kms/hr over ANY posted speed limit.


About ten years ago the tolerance was 20kph - town or open road, ergo 120kph was the de facto open road speed limit...

Then some bean counter:scratch: scratched his head and thought "What gives, when people speed they always speed by 20+kph?"

Then the penny dropped :shit:and as they say "The rest id history".:pinch:

[RDJ]

Considering the lending crisis they handed us, it seems suprising that we don't enforce zero tolerance for bean counters getting more than 4% bonuses...

[FJRider]

About ten years ago the tolerance was 20kph - town or open road, ergo 120kph was the de facto open road speed limit...



I dont know that was due to the tolerance as such ... or just the police descretion ... :sunny:

[Drew]

"cough"....actually

I was referring to the limitations of cruise control in that they actually average 7kph "drift"-either side of a set speed...eg 100k set = possible 93-107kph actual speed, hence the possibility for a mechanical deficiency to allow a person to exceed the rather tight 4k "official" tolerance :sweatdrop
Is this "7k/h drift" you speak of documented in owners manuals and such?

If so, before you say it's the fault of the machinery should they not learn that to use it on our roads legally, they need to set the speed at least 3k/h under the posted limit? Ya know, actually be in control of the vehicle they are meant to qualified to drive.


I dont know that was due to the tolerance as such ... or just the police descretion ... :sunny:I know we used to get away with 120k/h, but I figured it was just luck.

[FJRider]

I know we used to get away with 120k/h, but I figured it was just luck.

If it was just you and the cop about ... that was normal ... with a lecture thrown in as well ... if you were unlucky.

[Clockwork]

Actually, last long drive I took I used the cruise control to manage my speed but..... I will say that I noticed that while the control was plainly connected to the throttle, ie it could "gas on" "gas off", it was not at all connected to the brake. It would "gas up" to climb a hill but once at he top it would "gas off" and quite happily let gravity take charge.

[Drew]

Actually, last long drive I took I used the cruise control to manage my speed but..... I will say that I noticed that while the control was plainly connected to the throttle, ie it could "gas on" "gas off", it was not at all connected to the brake. It would "gas up" to climb a hill but once at he top it would "gas off" and quite happily let gravity take charge.I rest my case.

[scracha]

If it was just you and the cop about ... that was normal ... with a lecture thrown in as well ... if you were unlucky.

Tolerance in NZ
------------------
Politician = super tolerant ....you can blame the policeman driving you
Farmer = very tolerant...your current driving ban gets ignored and you get told to drive home slowly
Proper kiwi accent = slightly tolerant...your 142kmh gets recorded as 129 and they ignore your expired rego
Bloody foreigner = you're fucked. The cop's speed gun displays the reading from the farmer who just shot past you

[Ntoxcated]

Why is a limit not a limit?

I am also guilty of abusing the current 'tolerance' (yes, perhaps a trifle more occasionally :innocent:), but only because it seems to be there. I believe In Victoria the tolerance is only 2kph for fixed cameras and 3kph for hand held. And while I was only there for the MotoGP weekend, I don't think I saw anybody exceeding the speed limit at all. Over there, it seems that the high fines and the strict enforcement have changed the public behaviour. Whether or not it has changed accident statistics or fatalities is a separate discussion.

I'm not trying to say that I always stick to the speed limit, but I still can't see why a limit shouldn't be a limit. If I exceed it, it is my choice and I have to accept the consequences.

There may be an argument for some roads, such as motorways, having higher limits, but whatever limit is set should be a limit. The argument that says you spend all your time looking the speedo rather than the road suggests that you are too close to the limit. Remember, it's not a target (or something like that).

So, in summary, even though I get bored shitless riding back from a track day on a dead straight motorway, at what seems to be an absolute crawl, why is a limit not a limit?

[scracha]

There may be an argument for some roads, such as motorways, having higher limits, but whatever limit is set should be a limit. The argument that says you spend all your time looking the speedo rather than the road suggests that you are too close to the limit. Remember, it's not a target (or something like that).


Who sets the limits? Did you agree to them? Roughly half the kiwi driving population seem to get a speeding ticket on an annual basis so clearly they don't abide by this law. Why make a law that most people don't abide by? Would you stick to 30kmh if that were the speed limit?

Sometimes laws are stupid, so people are clever enough to ignore them. If enough people ignore them then the law changes or the government gets overthrown.

The government doesn't want me to drive at a reasonable speed, smoke tobacco, drink alcohol, take drugs or simply walk my (unregistered) dog off the lead. Fuckem.

Must be time to go to bed so I can pay my taxes to help bail out those inept crooks in the beehive who can't even balance their own books, so instead devalue our currency, sell our land and leave the debt burden for our children.

[Shadows]

Actually, last long drive I took I used the cruise control to manage my speed but..... I will say that I noticed that while the control was plainly connected to the throttle, ie it could "gas on" "gas off", it was not at all connected to the brake. It would "gas up" to climb a hill but once at he top it would "gas off" and quite happily let gravity take charge.

The trick is to turn it off just as you go over the brow of the hill, and as you start coasting down the other side, turn it back on. It will then manage your speed down the incline perfectly using the vehicle's gearing. Unless your car is a piece of shit.

[Shadows]

Police are reminding drivers of their lowered speed tolerance of 4km/hr this Waitangi Weekend and will keep the programme in place for the entire month of February. Police will take action against any driver detected driving at more than 4km/h over the permanent posted speed limit.

The lowered tolerance was introduced at Queen's Birthday 2010 after a disastrous Easter when 12 people died on the roads and Police now implement the lowered tolerance for all holiday periods.
"Lowering the tolerance has made a real difference to the number of deaths on the roads over the holiday periods", said Acting Superintendent Rob Morgan, National Manager Road Policing, "but we have identified February as a high-risk month in terms of road safety and the road toll.

We want to take steps to influence behaviour over this period by focussing on those factors considered most influential during the last holiday period, namely alcohol and speed".

Provisional Police analysis of crash causes by month indicates that February has the third highest proportion of crashes in which speed (including too fast for conditions) is a contributing factor.

Year round, excluding February, 21% of fatal/serious crashes have speed as a contributing factor. This increases to 22% of crashes during February.

Holiday periods that have had the lowered speed tolerance, excluding the Christmas/New Years period, have had 46% less crashes (for all crash types)
than 2009 holiday periods that did not have the lowered speed tolerance.
Crashes with speed as a contributing factor decreased by 27% for the same period.
"We are seeing that the holiday periods that have the lower speed tolerance have had less crashes and a smaller percentage of drivers exceeding 100km/hr," said (Acting) Superintendent Morgan.
"So we are confident that it is reasonable to conclude that the lower speed tolerance has had a positive impact on driver behaviour and in lowered overall crash risk."
Police will be using all resources available to enforce the lowered tolerance during February, including fixed and mobile speed cameras which will be deployed to risk times and locations.
"We want to make sure that every journey is a safe journey for everyone. We will be working with our road safety partners; NZTA, MoT, ACC and AA to make that happen, he said.
"We can make a real difference with this initiative and end this summer on a positive note for all road users."

For statistical information:

http://www.transport.govt.nz/research/Pages/default.aspx


However you want to justify it I suppose. How the fuck they work this shit out is what I'd like to know.

As February is deemed third highest, there's likely going to be at least two more months this year that this will be applied.

I agree with previous posters that this will probably become a permanent thing quite soon.

[Berries]

Actually, last long drive I took I used the cruise control to manage my speed but......
Hmmmm. I've got an SV1000 as well but I am yet to find the cruise control.

[SMOKEU]

Hmmmm. I've got an SV1000 as well but I am yet to find the cruise control.

Go full throttle and slam it into the next gear at the redline, then you'll find "cruise control".

[Berries]

Go full throttle and slam it into the next gear at the redline, then you'll find "cruise control".
Yeah, but i hate banging my nads on the tank at 220.

[SMOKEU]

Yeah, but i hate banging my nads on the tank at 220.

Sounds like you need a turbo.

[Berries]

When I started (late 1700s) we didn't even bat an eye until someone was doing 20 over a speed limit. One guy I worked with would write 68s and 69s outside a school, but even we thought he was a proper nazi. It has taken a lot of years to come to the point where the tolerance is down to 4 km/h, but it's finally here. Funny, when we were applying a 19km/h tolerance in Orkers, Cockrofts Cowboys in Invercargill were rigidly applying a 5 km/h tolerance in Invergiggle. If you drove down Yarrow Street at 55 you overtook all the locals, who lived in fear of the traffic nazis down there.
Lived in Invers in the late 90's and they still talked about Cockrofts Cowboys. Cyclists knew their shit back then on Dee Street.


I feel you are way to obtuse for most ranters here.<_<

"WHo cares about safety - it's a fucking speed limit, obey it - or pay".

THAT is how TPTB should 'market' it, no shilly-shallying around.

Then KB ranters would stop whinging about getting tickets...:rolleyes: (Tuis moment....)
Nope, not a Tui moment. It is not about safety. Safety is about how a road user is using their vehicle at that point in time at that particular location. To link that to an arbitrary speed limit on a specific piece of road is BS. You ride a bike, you know it. The enforcers of the law should all be trained well enough that they can use their discretion and knowledge to either let the geezer off for doing 180km/h on the back wheel when nobody is around, or confiscate the bike for doing 80 past a school when the kids are coming out. The lack of discretion, and the fact that those who can offer it are often 20 years old and have no road sense is the issue. So yes, in a way you are right, they should forget all this safety bollocks and just say that this is the limit, you exceeded it, here is your fine. Don't treat us like retards with the safety shit.

[Brian d marge]

I dont care its only thirty dollars, 2 import beers and a pie ,,,,

Think of it this way if you didnt pay the tax then they would be unemployed and on the dole , so this way they are gainfully employed members of the comunity


Stephen

donut day is coming to a town near you

[Clockwork]

Hmmmm. I've got an SV1000 as well but I am yet to find the cruise control.

I've got the 'S' model.

[Drew]

I don't hate cops, I hate fuckwits. You can find them in any environment.

What's funny though, there are a lot of fuckwits posting in this thread, and neither of the two posters I know to be cops fit the discription.

If you have a problem with any law, there are channels to change it.

I think the current rider safety shit that's going on is a crock that will not save any lives at all. I bitched about it on here, before I realised that I looked like a moron by doing so.

The speed limit is too low in my opinion, but only for people who can actually drive/ride. The law however needs to cater to the lowest common denominator, who might not have the level of control required to go faster.

Anyone want things changed, needs to address the poor level of driving/riding on our roads first. Rastus and Scummy, how many infringements do you see daily, that make you shake your head? Out of those, I bet there is a good number you just can't be fucked with, and go about your business elsewhere.

Although I am like most people, a hypocrite, I really can sympathise with cops. There are some bad eggs in the bunch, but they are mostly just trying to get through the day without punching some dick head in the face. For the privalige, they get a modest pay cheque, mongrel hours, sideways looks at social events, and a boss who is even more out of touch with reality than the most deluded private sector managment.

[rastuscat]

Whew.

I get a free toaster this month if I write enough tickets. Lucky they've dropped the tolerance, it's really hard to find people breaking the law.

[Berries]

I've got the 'S' model.
Me too. I will have to get the manual out.

[Bassmatt]

I agree with previous posters that this will probably become a permanent thing quite soon.

Not if we have a repeat of the xmas/new year carnage again

[steve_t]

Whew.

I get a free toaster this month if I write enough tickets. Lucky they've dropped the tolerance, it's really hard to find people breaking the law.

I think I remember you getting a free toaster last year? How many toasters do you need? :corn:

[MSTRS]

Wow, I bet you can talk your way out of a shit-load of tickets with THAT line!!:shutup:

Every single one since - ooo - about 1997.
I have learned to be more observant of cameras tho....

[FJRider]

"cough"....actually

I was referring to the limitations of cruise control in that they actually average 7kph "drift"-either side of a set speed...eg 100k set = possible 93-107kph actual speed, hence the possibility for a mechanical deficiency to allow a person to exceed the rather tight 4k "official" tolerance :sweatdrop
I'm all for increased safety on the roads and safe driving practices (kept me alive on two wheels for 30yrs now...well, 24th of feb is 30yrs:woohoo:), I just don't think this particular "champagne" is actually helping!...it seems to be doing quite the reverse.



My bike doesn't have cruise control. My CAR does ... and I have got a a ticket ... whilst the cruise control was ON. MY fault entirely ... and I didn't come on KB and winge about the unfair revenue gatherers ... as it could be seen as driving without due care ... etc.

The tolerance is the accepted maximum limit allowed. BUT ... not a hard and fast rule. It is up to the discretion of the officer that stops you ... for any "alleged" traffic infringement.

I know the speed limits ... and on the occasions I break them ... I know only one person is to blame. ME ... My own safety is MY main issue ... with no intentional reckless disregard for others. At ... and where I believe ... is the time and place. If only if it is only in MY opinion. In such times, I have been stopped ... but a larger percentage of those times, I have either been let-off ... or the speed entered on the ticket reduced.

Apparently ... exceeding the posted speed limit to get to a public toilet ... in time ... IS NOT A VALID DEFENCE ... :innocent:

[MSTRS]

Apparently ... exceeding the posted speed limit to get to a public toilet ... in time ... IS NOT A VALID DEFENCE ... :innocent:

Shit, that'd piss you off, eh?

One could blame the cop, you know. If he hadn't been there to see you...

[FJRider]

Shit, that'd piss you off, eh?

One could blame the cop, you know. If he hadn't been there to see you...

With my advanced years ... comes a "Woolworths Bladder" ... frequency rather than volume being the norm ...

Urinating in a public place is "frowned on" by plod. Wetting yourself is NOT ... apparently ...

He DID smile as he wrote the ticket though ... for exceeding the posted ... rather than the 140+ km/hr that he had a lock-on ... so he did have a sense of humor ... and I didn't push the issue ... :lol:

[Scuba_Steve]

Urinating in a public place is "frowned on" by plod. Wetting yourself is NOT ... apparently ...


No that's usually laughed upon in our society :shutup:

[FJRider]

No that's usually laughed upon in our society :shutup:

:yes: :facepalm: :doh:

[rastuscat]

I think I remember you getting a free toaster last year? How many toasters do you need? :corn:

................okay, you got me. Check my TradeMe account to see how many toasters I've sold, you'll be able to work out how many tickets I write.

Can't work out why the bosses have such a good relationship with the toaster wholesaler, out of interest.

[Bassmatt]

................okay, you got me. Check my TradeMe account to see how many toasters I've sold, you'll be able to work out how many tickets I write.

Can't work out why the bosses have such a good relationship with the toaster wholesaler, out of interest.

I believe the toaster wholesaler is to begin importing donut machines in the near future

[steve_t]

................okay, you got me. Check my TradeMe account to see how many toasters I've sold, you'll be able to work out how many tickets I write.

Can't work out why the bosses have such a good relationship with the toaster wholesaler, out of interest.

So, do we have the option of bypassing the middleman and instead of receiving a ticket, or multiple tickets, buy you a toaster directly? :laugh:

[Drew]

Urinating in a public place is "frowned on" by plod. Wetting yourself is NOT ... apparently ...



Nope, I've been to told to look up the law on urinating on the left rear wheel of your vehicle. Meant to be a law saying it can be done if no appropriate cover can be found.

I struggle to believe it, but the source was multiple so it's a possibility.

[FJRider]

Nope, I've been to told to look up the law on urinating on the left rear wheel of your vehicle. Meant to be a law saying it can be done if no appropriate cover can be found.

I struggle to believe it, but the source was multiple so it's a possibility.

I DID SAY .... "frowned on" ... :yes: (legality depends on location)

There is a time and place for everything you know .... :shifty:

[Drew]

I DID SAY .... "frowned on" ... :yes: (legality depends on location)

There is a time and place for everything you know .... :shifty:

Don't yell at me old timer, I'll push you over and watch you struggle to get back up!

Location thing makes the law sound more plausible, still a stretch though.

[FJRider]

Location thing makes the law sound more plausible, still a stretch though.

Law .... plausable .... :killingme


We just have to obey them ... not undestand them ...

[Scuba_Steve]

Nope, I've been to told to look up the law on urinating on the left rear wheel of your vehicle. Meant to be a law saying it can be done if no appropriate cover can be found.

I struggle to believe it, but the source was multiple so it's a possibility.

not totally right, it is a "loose" defense under the following -

Excreting in public place
(1) Every person is liable to a fine not exceeding $200 who urinates or defecates in any public place other than a public lavatory.
(2) It is a defence in a prosecution under this section if the defendant proves that he had reasonable
grounds for believing that he would not be observed.

So if you could show you believed you could not be seen pissing on your left rear it is theoretically possible to defend
Now you know :D

[bikaholic]

Nope, I've been to told to look up the law on urinating on the left rear wheel of your vehicle. Meant to be a law saying it can be done if no appropriate cover can be found.

I struggle to believe it, but the source was multiple so it's a possibility.was true, but was repealed long ago.

[James Deuce]

One of my wedding party urinated on a police car outside De Brett's during my stag do. He sometimes visits this site. It was jolly funny.

[scumdog]

One of my wedding party urinated on a police car outside De Brett's during my stag do. He sometimes visits this site. It was jolly funny.

Probably was funny.

If you're 12 years old.

[RDJ]

One of my wedding party urinated on a police car outside De Brett's during my stag do. He sometimes visits this site. It was jolly funny.

Ah... would it have been equally funny if he urinated on the wheel of your own bike? Humor Fail....

[mossy1200]

Ah... would it have been equally funny if he urinated on the wheel of your own bike? Humor Fail....

Someone did that to my bike in courtney place..

(2) It is a defence in a prosecution under this section if the defendant proves that he had reasonable
grounds for believing that he would not be observed.


Lucky he got away with that little number cause i woulda thrown the HOOK at him if i had observed

[Sharry]

UNDER the limit is not always "legal" ... if an Officer deems it dangerous ... a ticket is issued ...

Then it's ... "tell it to the judge" ...

The only ticket I have had was passing a car doing 120, the cop clocked the car doing 90, as I was prepared to slow down to 105-110 after the pass I consider the turkey I followed doing 90 for 15 minnuts or so far more of a menace than myself getting out of his way then doing a legal speed.

[FJRider]

The only ticket I have had was passing a car doing 120, the cop clocked the car doing 90, as I was prepared to slow down to 105-110 after the pass I consider the turkey I followed doing 90 for 15 minnuts or so far more of a menace than myself getting out of his way then doing a legal speed.

To impede the flow of traffic IS a traffic infringement ... although it is not often enforced unless the speed is below 60 kms/hr ... in most cases ...

[Sharry]

My reconing would be that the revenue from my ticket was more than the revenue from a possable infringement to the car driver.

[RDJ]

So - we've just had the priorities demonstrated today. The authorities' >4km/hr intolerance for citizens driving safely on the open road, but full tolerance for protesters charging the Prime Minister and injuring at least two cameramen.

[James Deuce]

Ah... would it have been equally funny if he urinated on the wheel of your own bike? Humor Fail....

I rather suspect the humour fail was your own. What was jolly funny was the swift response. The Police car was occupied. He was jolly silly for getting that trolleyed.

Why would I be riding a bike to a stag do? Wouldn't that be jolly silly?

[scumdog]

So - we've just had the priorities demonstrated today. The authorities' >4km/hr intolerance for citizens driving safely on the open road, but full tolerance for protesters charging the Prime Minister and injuring at least two cameramen.

Oh, I see the parallel.....<_<:facepalm::rolleyes:

[RDJ]

Oh, I see the parallel.....<_<:facepalm::rolleyes:

I doubt you do. Or rather, I doubt you are willing to.

[JimO]

To impede the flow of traffic IS a traffic infringement ... although it is not often enforced unless the speed is below 60 kms/hr ... in most cases ...

i managed to pass a car on the open road in a 4x4 towing a boat without exceeding 90ks, that cunt should be stopped by the wallopers

[DMNTD]

Oh, I see the parallel.....<_<:facepalm::rolleyes:

Yeah me neither...only in one of those situations was someone else's personal well being put in harm :facepalm:

[FJRider]

i managed to pass a car on the open road in a 4x4 towing a boat without exceeding 90ks

Just as well ... 'cause with a trailer ... thats all you are allowed ... :innocent:

I see slow traffic is getting on the "hit list" ... along with the lower tolerance ... and crossing the center line.

[JimO]

Just as well ... 'cause with a trailer ... thats all you are allowed ... :innocent:

I see slow traffic is getting on the "hit list" ... along with the lower tolerance ... and crossing the center line.

i know thats why i stuck at 90 even though the lux could drag the ship along at 160

[red mermaid]

I just heard from a reliable source that all those who travel under the speed limit will get pink fairy dust sprinkled on them.

What?

It has as much credibility as the opening statement of this thread.



Just heard from a reliable source that tickets will be issued by officers (and speed cameras) for 5km/h over the limit.

Not just Waitangi weekend but for all of February.

[Scuba_Steve]

I just heard from a reliable source that all those who travel under the speed limit will get pink fairy dust sprinkled on them.

What?

It has as much credibility as the opening statement of this thread.

Knew there was a reason I was never under... Don't want me no pink fairy dust vehicle

But it does explain the Harley sparkle :bleh:

[Madness]

pink fairy dust...

That's some kind of code for pure methamphetamine, innit?

[Drew]

I just heard from a reliable source that all those who travel under the speed limit will get pink fairy dust sprinkled on them.

What?

It has as much credibility as the opening statement of this thread.

Are you mentally impaired somehow?

Look at the date at which Deano posted this thread up. It was well before the media alerted anyone about the shit, and it was spot on the money. They have lowered the tolerance for the whole of February.

And if Deano says his source is reliable, I promise you could bet the house on it being accurate.

[Anarkist]

I think I got pinged for doing 135ish just yesterday. Cunts were all over SH1.

Obviously it was so dangerous as well.. Considering I still woke up this morning without having killed anyone, myself included.

The most dangerous part was to the person behind me after throwing out the anchors once I saw the camera.. Managed to scrub a few KM/s I hope :bleh:

[GrayWolf]

Hmmmm now what is going to be 'interesting' is IF the 4kph tolerance does become the norm.. will we see a glut of high powered sprot bikes on the secondhand market? We all know the average high powered bike is not even working 'properly' at 100k's in any of the higher gears.

I reckon its a conspiracy between Hardly Fergusson and Phil, that part of the HD international sales drive is to replace ALL japanese bikes with Hardly's in NZ. So if he suddenly turns up with a HD instead of a trumpy? You read it here first :laugh:

[bikaholic]

The 10% tolerance is sloppy policing, which creates sloppy driving.
I had my cruise control on at 100kph which was 100kph on my gps, and in my North Island xmas holiday only one downhill caused the 105kph beeper to go off.
Actually the downhill descend didn't cause it, i let let the speed increase by not touching the brakes slightly, so sloppy driving on my behalf. The speed limit does not change at all, only our belief in the tolerance for our own selfish reasons.

[GingerMidget]

All this 4kph tolerance has done is mae people worse friggin drivers. Especially in wellington. For the love of all that is holy, don't do 35k in an area smart people know is 50k.

Idiot moment coming, Some dozy bitch was doing 35k from the moment she left the warehouse in lyall bay the other day, right to where I got hacked off, and nailed it on the straight leading to island bay. She just about shat bricks as the ute went past her, but fucks sake, that whole road is 50k. NOT thirtyeffingfive!

If you can't do within 10% of the limit, fuck off. And when you get there, fuck off a bit more.

[FJRider]

The 10% tolerance is sloppy policing, which creates sloppy driving.
I had my cruise control on at 100kph which was 100kph on my gps, and in my North Island xmas holiday only one downhill caused the 105kph beeper to go off.
Actually the downhill descend didn't cause it, i let let the speed increase by not touching the brakes slightly, so sloppy driving on my behalf. The speed limit does not change at all, only our belief in the tolerance for our own selfish reasons.

IF your sloppy driving causes you to exceed a well publicised traffic speed policy ... It is no excuse, on receit of a traffic infringement notice. :no:

An admission of "sloppy driving" should mean a "without due care" charge added ... :yes:

[bikaholic]

IF your sloppy driving causes you to exceed a well publicised traffic speed policy ... It is no excuse, on receit of a traffic infringement notice. :no:

An admission of "sloppy driving" should mean a "without due care" charge added ... :yes:Yep, no excuse it can be done, on the flip side every corner is a 100kph corner.

[FJRider]

... on the flip side every corner is a 100kph corner.

An interesting theory that I know you can fail to prove. The are some things "In law" legal ... that are in practice ... impossible to perform. :msn-wink:

Try to prove me wrong ... :laugh:

[bikaholic]

An interesting theory that I know you can fail to prove. The are some things "In law" legal ... that are in practice ... impossible to perform. :msn-wink:

Try to prove me wrong ... :laugh:Yes, you know when you get that feeling, especially in a cage, and a sportsbike behind is losing ground, ....showing outward signs of bold and composed, inside shitting, kids faces pressed on the windows, nah, making it up.

[FJRider]

... nah, making it up.

I know ... you do that a lot ...

[bikaholic]

I know ... you do that a lot ...tommy telling stories again?

[Scuba_Steve]

Well, heard on the radio. What we all knew was coming

"the police today are considering whether to lower the 10km/h tolerance at 100km/h and" endanger New Zealand lives "all year round instead of just select periods"

[yod]

Well, heard on the radio. What we all knew was coming

"the police today are considering whether to lower the 10km/h tolerance at 100km/h and" endanger New Zealand lives "all year round instead of just select periods"

no surprises there


"We are of the opinion that it's having a positive effect on the road toll. On that basis, we would be considering it very seriously.

"It will really be an evidence-based decision, it's about an assessment of whether it saves lives."

uh-huh - and of course I'm sure they have a highly accurate mechanism to determine whether invoicing...err, I mean fining the utter maniacs who drive between 105 and 109km/h off the roads is actually improving the road toll as opposed to all the other measures that are already in place to achieve the same end.

:facepalm:

[shrub]

no surprises there



uh-huh - and of course I'm sure they have a highly accurate mechanism to determine whether invoicing...err, I mean fining the utter maniacs who drive between 105 and 109km/h off the roads is actually improving the road toll as opposed to all the other measures that are already in place to achieve the same end.

:facepalm:


I tried an experiment the other day. I rode down the road at 104 kmh, and I was incredibly safe from any hazard. Cars gave way, indicated when they were supposed to, stopped at red lights (and even amber lights) and maintained a good following distance, all the while paying attention to what they were doing and ignoring little Tarquin killing his sister Tamsin in the back seat. The road surface miraculously smoothed out and most importantly, I found I could handle my bike flawlessly and my skill level skyrocketed.

I carefully accelerated to 105 kmh, and suddenly everything changed. I found it hard to control my bike and suddenly other road users started tailgating, crashing amber and red lights etc. I conquered my fear and accelerated to 110 kmh, and it was as though I had shifted to another world. The roads were almost undriveable, other road users became aggressive and inconsiderate, and I watched a car drive through a red light, and noticed that the driver was drinking beer, eating dinner and reading the paper. But what terrified me was the impact it had on me. I was almost unable to control my bike, and corners that were a breeze at 104 kmh became terrifying near-death experiences. My brakes disappeared meaning I could no longer stop and my vision faded to the point where it was as though I was riding in twilight with no lights.

I believe that dropping the tolerance to 4 kmh will have an incredible impact on the road toll and make driving as safe as sitting in a comfy chair watching Coronation Street. And about as interesting.

[willytheekid]

I tried an experiment the other day. I rode down the road at 104 kmh, and I was incredibly safe from any hazard. Cars gave way, indicated when they were supposed to, stopped at red lights (and even amber lights) and maintained a good following distance, all the while paying attention to what they were doing and ignoring little Tarquin killing his sister Tamsin in the back seat. The road surface miraculously smoothed out and most importantly, I found I could handle my bike flawlessly and my skill level skyrocketed.

I carefully accelerated to 105 kmh, and suddenly everything changed. I found it hard to control my bike and suddenly other road users started tailgating, crashing amber and red lights etc. I conquered my fear and accelerated to 110 kmh, and it was as though I had shifted to another world. The roads were almost undriveable, other road users became aggressive and inconsiderate, and I watched a car drive through a red light, and noticed that the driver was drinking beer, eating dinner and reading the paper. But what terrified me was the impact it had on me. I was almost unable to control my bike, and corners that were a breeze at 104 kmh became terrifying near-death experiences. My brakes disappeared meaning I could no longer stop and my vision faded to the point where it was as though I was riding in twilight with no lights.

I believe that dropping the tolerance to 4 kmh will have an incredible impact on the road toll and make driving as safe as sitting in a comfy chair watching Coronation Street. And about as interesting.

:shit:...you mad man!!!

Im surprised your still alive!

[CookMySock]

ahh, this will be the reason why accidents are way down and revenue has doubled in the previous 12 months

[MSTRS]

Well, heard on the radio. What we all knew was coming

"the police today are considering whether to lower the 10km/h tolerance at 100km/h and" endanger New Zealand lives "all year round instead of just select periods"

Here's another example of the creeping death...
SH2/Meeanee Quay intersection. 50kph zone meets 100kph zone. Lowered to 80kph and those reflective baseball bats installed down the approaching lane markings. "Just for the RWC, so tourists will know what to do" :laugh:
Still there, of course, and last night's paper reports NZTA and NCC have agreed it should stay that way.

It is all to do with the fuckwits turning right on SH2, who insist on crossing to the furtherest lane, when faced with the difficult choice of the through lane or the slip lane ...

Fuck me, you want to see what you are approaching at night...
A sea of bright orange, reflective posts which make it difficult to see the lanes at all. No wonder it has to be 80kph. No doubt complaints about the obscuring nature of those posts will see the limit dropped even more.

[shrub]

:shit:...you mad man!!!

Im surprised your still alive!

I now never go above 104 kmh on the open road which means I am immortal. I'm also selling my bike and buying a lifetime supply of Coronation Street DVDs to watch from my comfy chair.

[Scuba_Steve]

I now never go above 104 kmh on the open road which means I am immortal. I'm also selling my bike and buying a lifetime supply of Coronation Street DVDs to watch from my comfy chair.

the one you use while driving right??? after all as long as you keep under 104km/h it's all safe :laugh:

[shrub]

the one you use while driving right??? after all as long as you keep under 104km/h it's all safe :laugh:

Shit, I hadn't thought of that. I'm going to buy me a real big SUV (so people will think I'm a manly huntin shootin sort of a guy) and install a TV on the dashboard. While I'm at it, i'll fit a small kitchen in the back so the missus can cook me pies and shit to eat while I drive because watching Coro st always gives me a hunger.

As long as I don't go over 104 kmh I'll be sweet because Paula Rose and Jerry Brownlee said that's so, and who am I to argue with them?

[spookytooth]

By the look of Jerry Brownlee you will be lucky if theres any pies left

[MSTRS]

And you wouldn't want to eat PR, even if she was baked in a pie...

[RDJ]

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10770907

Paula - check your six, I think some of your colleages are gaining on you...

[MSTRS]

...and that had resulted in fewer fatal and serious injury crashes

This is what grinds my gears...
"Resulted in..." when it should be "Contributed to..."

Weasel words

[BoristheBiter]

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10770907

Paula - check your six, I think some of your colleages are gaining on you...

Judith is the minister now.

[BoristheBiter]

This is what grinds my gears...
"Resulted in..." when it should be "Contributed to..."

Weasel words

Bikers don't contribute to their own downfall, it's a known KB fact.

[MSTRS]

Judith is the minister now.

Huh? Paula Rose has never been 'the minister'...


Road policing national manager Superintendent Paula Rose

[RDJ]

Judith is the minister now.

Paula Rose is the police person in charge of slowing everybody down.... but clearly failing with her own colleagues.

[BoristheBiter]

Huh? Paula Rose has never been 'the minister'...


Paula Rose is the police person in charge of slowing everybody down.... but clearly failing with her own colleagues.

:facepalm: thought you meant Bennett. as you were.

[Scuba_Steve]

This is what grinds my gears...
"Resulted in..." when it should be "Contributed to..."

Weasel words

every-time a press release is about around speed, read between the lines and it'll always be about the money, they will never make a direct comparison between reduction in speed to lower fatalities, failures and successes are both scarecrow'd to push the agenda.
I believe they themselves no-longer believe the propaganda they push just by reading the carefully worded sentences & paragraphs they write in these press releases, I think all of them are fully aware & under no illusion that this is nothing more than a scam. They know it has nothing to do with safety, look no further than they're carefully written PR's to see that. But there is still alot of ignorant public unable to read between the lines to see what's really being said that this propaganda still works for & thus they are able to continue their extortion unabated.
Tho I feel more people are starting to wake up to the truth looking at the change in publics reactions to these sort of announcements over the time the speed scams been running.

[BoristheBiter]

I still can't see what the problem is.

How many travel under 110 now? and how many travel faster than that?

I know to most it won't make the slightest difference.

[RDJ]

Speaking for myself, it's not per se enforcement that troubles me. It's selective enforcement that troubles me. Ms Rose seems to be quite untroubled by the fact that half of police people ticketed for speeding in the end were not legally sanctioned; she certainly doesn't extend - nor does she wish to extend - that or any degree of tolerance to her taxpaying employers.

More significantly, why pick on speeding (only) for this degree of zero tolerance. I think it's perfectly reasonable to ask why we don't get the same high-intensity low-tolerance enforcement approach to child abuse cases, serious assaults, and let's not forget that plague upon the employed public, burglaries. Drive at 106 km/h past a police car on the open road, or call the police to your just-burgled home, and see in which situation the police respond quickly, or indeed at all...

[MSTRS]

Speaking for myself, it's not per se enforcement that troubles me. It's selective enforcement that troubles me. Ms Rose seems to be quite untroubled by the fact that half of police people ticketed for speeding in the end were not legally sanctioned; she certainly doesn't extend - nor does she wish to extend - that or any degree of tolerance to her taxpaying employers.

More significantly, why pick on speeding (only) for this degree of zero tolerance. I think it's perfectly reasonable to ask why we don't get the same high-intensity low-tolerance enforcement approach to child abuse cases, serious assaults, and let's not forget that plague upon the employed public, burglaries. Drive at 106 km/h past a police car on the open road, or call the police to your just-burgled home, and see in which situation the police respond quickly, or indeed at all...

Just tell 'em you have a gun...

[MSTRS]

I still can't see what the problem is.


Which problem? That the average speed is down, that the number of speed tickets issued is still increasing, or that 'they' claim the lower death/injury rate is all because of slower speeds?

[Scuba_Steve]

Just tell 'em you have a gun...

Or the thief is a "boyracer" & "speeding" :innocent: you'll probably get the fastest response you've ever seen in your life, followed by one of the biggest fines you've seen in your life as they try & recoup the lost (false) profit out of you

[MSTRS]

In a word...yep.

[buellbabe]

Apologies if what I am about to say has already been covered but my lunch break is almost over and I don't have time to read the entire thread.

Anyways, last Friday (Waitangi wkend) I was riding back from Hamilton, left there around 5pm. Travelled state HW 1and between Huntly and Mercer (the Waikato expressway) there were 7 cops. 7????? 2 cars were parked either side on the Hampton Downs bridge!!! I tootled past every one doing 100kph and I bet they were pissed that they couldn't ticket a naughty biker.

But my point is...maybe I am mistaken but I thought that part of the reasoning behind building these "expressways" was to ease congestion (which means fewer frustrated drivers) and also to make the roads safer by removing 'black spots' and having a straighter road? Note that I said PART of the reasoning, I realise that there are many factors involved but those 2 spring to mind first.

So, to put 7 cops on that one small section of road seems to me to be total overkill and no-one can convince me that they were out there trying to keep the roads safe. That was pure revenue gathering.

[rastuscat]

ahh, this will be the reason why accidents are way down and revenue has doubled in the previous 12 months

Has revenue doubled in the last 12 months? I'd be interested to see where that stat came from.

[rastuscat]

Apologies if what I am about to say has already been covered but my lunch break is almost over and I don't have time to read the entire thread.

Anyways, last Friday (Waitangi wkend) I was riding back from Hamilton, left there around 5pm. Travelled state HW 1and between Huntly and Mercer (the Waikato expressway) there were 7 cops. 7????? 2 cars were parked either side on the Hampton Downs bridge!!! I tootled past every one doing 100kph and I bet they were pissed that they couldn't ticket a naughty biker.

But my point is...maybe I am mistaken but I thought that part of the reasoning behind building these "expressways" was to ease congestion (which means fewer frustrated drivers) and also to make the roads safer by removing 'black spots' and having a straighter road? Note that I said PART of the reasoning, I realise that there are many factors involved but those 2 spring to mind first.

So, to put 7 cops on that one small section of road seems to me to be total overkill and no-one can convince me that they were out there trying to keep the roads safe. That was pure revenue gathering.

So, if were doing 100, did they gather revenue from you?

Think a bit about that, and you'll see that by sticking to the limit you'll deprive them of the funds. That'll learn em.

[slofox]

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/opinion/news/article.cfm?c_id=466&objectid=10784359

How surprising, fancy that, well I never, goodness gracious me, who woulda thought...

Anyone surprised? Coz I ain't...

257142

[buellbabe]

Aside from the bike cop who was helping someone change a tyre and the 2 on the bridge the others were each ticketing a motorist (all of them car drivers)… but where is the proof that accidents were prevented by those people being ticketed?

[Clockwork]

Has revenue doubled in the last 12 months? I'd be interested to see where that stat came from.

Actually, I'd expect to see it decline. While the Po-po are writing tickets to those hooligans doing 5-10kph above the limit, how many other drivers will be able to safely pass said otherwise occupied Officer at a higher "earning" rate.

[FJRider]

... So, to put 7 cops on that one small section of road seems to me to be total overkill and no-one can convince me that they were out there trying to keep the roads safe. That was pure revenue gathering.

The weekly meeting of the Waikato Donut club ... nothing to fear ... :msn-wink:

[BoristheBiter]

Speaking for myself, it's not per se enforcement that troubles me. It's selective enforcement that troubles me. Ms Rose seems to be quite untroubled by the fact that half of police people ticketed for speeding in the end were not legally sanctioned; she certainly doesn't extend - nor does she wish to extend - that or any degree of tolerance to her taxpaying employers.



That's called discretion.
They were above the speed limit, so they are legally sanctioned.

Yon cry about having a tolerance, not having a tolerance, the tolerance is too high, the tolerance is to low.

if you speed expect a ticket, end of story.

[MSTRS]

It is actually really simple. So simple those pinheads at Bullshit Castle could even get their heads around.

Make it illegal to have a crash at anything more than 104kph (and that includes the combined speeds for head-ons). Then no-one will die.
And the best part? If someone does die, then the cops can fine the estate, so ensuring their revenue take is maintained or even increased.

[willytheekid]

Has revenue doubled in the last 12 months? I'd be interested to see where that stat came from.

Hay!...if govn't depts can make stats up...so can we! :laugh: (Just be thankful we don't use them to introduce bullshit rule changes in the name of profit...opps...Im mean safety!:killingme)

[BoristheBiter]

Which problem? That the average speed is down, that the number of speed tickets issued is still increasing, or that 'they' claim the lower death/injury rate is all because of slower speeds?

that if you speed you get a ticket.

fuck you must be dumb if you haven't figured that by now.

[MSTRS]

that if you speed you get a ticket.

fuck you must be dumb if you haven't figured that by now.

Not I, my friend. You think I've been an absolute angel for the last 15 years...

The dumb one is the one that says "If you speed, you get a ticket"

When a brighter person would actually know that "If you speed, you risk getting a ticket, if you are spotted"

[rastuscat]

From the Harold...............Clive Matthew-Wilson, editor of the Dog and Lemon Guide, agreed, saying the majority of fatal crashes occur at speeds below the legal limit.

So, based on that, we should encourage everyone to drive in excess of the speed limit. No crashes would happen.

Wot?

[red mermaid]

I rode the same piece of road the next day and didn't see a single patrol car.


Apologies if what I am about to say has already been covered but my lunch break is almost over and I don't have time to read the entire thread.

Anyways, last Friday (Waitangi wkend) I was riding back from Hamilton, left there around 5pm. Travelled state HW 1and between Huntly and Mercer (the Waikato expressway) there were 7 cops. 7????? 2 cars were parked either side on the Hampton Downs bridge!!! I tootled past every one doing 100kph and I bet they were pissed that they couldn't ticket a naughty biker.

But my point is...maybe I am mistaken but I thought that part of the reasoning behind building these "expressways" was to ease congestion (which means fewer frustrated drivers) and also to make the roads safer by removing 'black spots' and having a straighter road? Note that I said PART of the reasoning, I realise that there are many factors involved but those 2 spring to mind first.

So, to put 7 cops on that one small section of road seems to me to be total overkill and no-one can convince me that they were out there trying to keep the roads safe. That was pure revenue gathering.

[rastuscat]

Aside from the bike cop who was helping someone change a tyre and the 2 on the bridge the others were each ticketing a motorist (all of them car drivers)… but where is the proof that accidents were prevented by those people being ticketed?

Imagine that, a bike cop helping someone change a tyre. He must have charged for the service, coz all Popos do is revenue gathering. I know it's true, I read it on KB.

[RDJ]

Has revenue doubled in the last 12 months? I'd be interested to see where that stat came from.

Check your inbox - that was from Paula Rose on Sep 11, 2011

The number of speeding tickets handed out last year was nearly double the amount issued the previous year, police figures reveal.

Police gave out 627,948 tickets for speeding infringements in 2010, compared to 329,838 in 2009.

The 2010 figure was more than 200,000 above the four year average for tickets issued.

In the first four months of this year, the country's 55 cameras had captured 200,671 incidents of speeding.

- National road policing manager Superintendent Paula Rose

[RDJ]

That's called discretion.
They were above the speed limit, so they are legally sanctioned.

Yon cry about having a tolerance, not having a tolerance, the tolerance is too high, the tolerance is to low.

if you speed expect a ticket, end of story.

Not crying Boris - just expecting the same level of tolerance to be applied to all facets of enforcement. I am sure you understand the concept, you just choose to answer glibly. If I speed and get pinged yes I expect a ticket. When a house is burgled or - far worse - a child is attacked, I expect the same prompt no-tolerance enforcement. As do most taxpayers. We aren't seeing that happen.

[Scuba_Steve]

From the Harold...............Clive Matthew-Wilson, editor of the Dog and Lemon Guide, agreed, saying the majority of fatal crashes occur at speeds below the legal limit.

So, based on that, we should encourage everyone to drive in excess of the speed limit. No crashes would happen.

Wot?

Well Silly Sausage (I believe that's what you said you liked to be called now?) your onto it, that's what it would mean if we used the same bad methods as the Govt

[riffer]

Okay, firstly, Police have announced a U-turn on their announcement:

http://www.stuff.co.nz/life-style/motoring/6386958/Police-U-turn-on-speeding-tolerance

Secondly, consider this: If Police were to announce that they were going to remove the concept of tolerance, and it was up to the individual officer to use their discretion, how many of you would go faster and expect they'd be able to talk their way out of a ticket? Lots, I bet.

Thirdly, consider this: If it were announced that there was to be NO tolerance at all, which effectively reduced the speed limit to 95 km/hr, as no-one would want a ticket, what's the likelihood that the majority of crashes would start happening at a slower speed?

Now some might say that's a good thing, but consider this as well: A substantial amount of fatal injuries would be turned into survivable, not serious ones by as little as a 5km/hr reduction in average speeds. Think of the effect on the costs to ACC of this.

[Clockwork]

Imagine that, a bike cop helping someone change a tyre. He must have charged for the service, coz all Popos do is revenue gathering. I know it's true, I read it on KB.

<_< I suspect he was actually just checking the spare's tread depth. :msn-wink:

[Bassmatt]

Imagine that, a bike cop helping someone change a tyre. He must have charged for the service, coz all Popos do is revenue gathering. I know it's true, I read it on KB.

Well there is a distinct similarity in shape to a donut :msn-wink:

[BoristheBiter]

Not I, my friend. You think I've been an absolute angel for the last 15 years...

The dumb one is the one that says "If you speed, you get a ticket"

When a brighter person would actually know that "If you speed, you risk getting a ticket, if you are spotted"

and even a brighter person would say "if you speed you will only get a ticket if caught"

[BoristheBiter]

Not crying Boris - just expecting the same level of tolerance to be applied to all facets of enforcement. I am sure you understand the concept, you just choose to answer glibly. If I speed and get pinged yes I expect a ticket. When a house is burgled or - far worse - a child is attacked, I expect the same prompt no-tolerance enforcement. As do most taxpayers. We aren't seeing that happen.


I think you are being very hard on police as 99% you never see what goes on. Tolerance and discretion are two completely separate issues.
IMO its the courts that aren't doing their jobs by letting crim's back onto the street to re-offend.

Two burglars from the Rodney area have just been put away and the burglary's have dropped by 3/4.
Now when they get out it will go back up as they will just go back to what they were doing before. The cops that put them away will have to spend all that time doing it all again.
Now if the courts did their job and not let them back out in the first place, not only would you see a dramatic drop in burglary's but the cops could spend more time on practical work like eating donuts.

A bit off topic sorry.

[MSTRS]

and even a brighter person would say "if you speed you will only get a ticket if caught"

You what? Are you thick? No - wait - don't answer that...your next post shows that there is some neurological activity going on.

[RDJ]

I think you are being very hard on police as 99% you never see what goes on. Tolerance and discretion are two completely separate issues.
IMO its the courts that aren't doing their jobs by letting crim's back onto the street to re-offend.

A bit off topic sorry.

I'm not trying to be very hard on the police - they have a very difficult job (as do others, their job is not uniquely difficult and just like the rest of us, they all volunteer to do what they do). But it's pretty difficult to even get a burglar or a potential murderer to court when the police decide simply not to show up... or wait until after everybody has got their story agreed upon / while cautioning the rest of us not to jump to conclusions. BTW - those of us who deal with people whose behaviour intersects with the police, see a lot more than the 1% you suggest.

I completely agree with you about the frequent laxity shown by the courts. About the only time the judges "throw away the key" is when one of their own is attacked.