Bike loyalties & heritage. POLL

[Monkfish]

Hey there people,

I'm a curious newbie trying to get a feel for the market in NZ,

I love the look of both jap bikes and Italian. But i also could imagine myself riding a Stripple.

My point is as I am new I have not developed any brand loyalty. Upon reading some of the threads here I have learned that there is some fierce brand loyalty among the biking community.

as I'm not really interested in individual brands, I'm focusing this poll on the feel of the bike. I.e the nationality and all of the heritage & pedigree associated with the nationality.

Soooo. please indulge me as i am curious, and if i decide to do something (like riding) I usually totally immerse myself in said activity. This just helps me to understand the culture here in NZ.


Edit: You can choose more than one Nation in the poll, (if ya cant decide).

[Paul in NZ]

Look around, try a few, own a few and make your own mind up! Surely brand loyalty is earnt not given lightly?

When people say you should 'Ride your own ride' it can be extended out to a wider context.....

[Laava]

Bike's a bike mate. Buy what you want and laugh at the people who are narrow minded enough to care about the brand name or country of origin.
Where is the "I don't care" option?

[yod]

Where is the "I don't care" option?

my thoughts exactly

[avgas]

I am a through and through Yamaha supporter. But even I would admit some of there bikes are shit (XV), or ugly (TDM).
As for supporting a country, while I don't support Japanese manufacturers 100% its very difficult to break them. But when I look at the brand new prices of some of there bikes, I do wonder why people would buy them over an american/german or itallian.

As for the pom bikes, they are ok. And are getting cheaper to own as the european market crashes.

Others have said it, I will repeat it. Its never the manufacturer. Its never the country. Its always the bike.

[James Deuce]

Where's the option for "Doesn't Matter", or "Loyal to the next bike that does what it's supposed to, when it's supposed to"?

[Corse1]

Others have said it, I will repeat it. Its never the manufacturer. Its never the country. Its always the bike.

yep pretty much agree. There are good and bad in all brands. I am loyal to Italian bikes but I also like to tinker so that goes hand in hand. Tried the triple but went back to Italian and now I am hankering for a large capacity IL4 from Jap land. Its all about the ride enjoyment. Different folks like different things. Always will.

Oh and try visiting different bike model dedicated forums...........they all think their model/brand is the best. Say no more.

[BoristheBiter]

Bike's a bike mate. Buy what you want and laugh at the people who are narrow minded enough to care about the brand name or country of origin.
Where is the "I don't care" option?


my thoughts exactly


Where's the option for "Doesn't Matter", or "Loyal to the next bike that does what it's supposed to, when it's supposed to"?

+1

Looks like another option needs to be added.

[Maha]

....and yet, 23 people have cared enough to vote so far....:confused:

[nodrog]

..... or ugly (TDM). .....

careful the wrath of the angry scotsman

[bogan]

Hondas are pretty fucking awesome! Even worth enduring all the gay jokes...



...and buttsecks :shit:

[Monkfish]

....and yet, 23 people have cared enough to vote so far....:confused:

+1

I didn't include one because I wanted a gauge.

Two of the people that "don't care" expresses preferable options being, Yamaha (japan) or Italian.

This is what I'm trying to gauge and this is why i didn't include a don't care option.

I'm not trying to start yet another which bike/or brand is better just gauge a feel for who or where the "community" feels designers are getting it right, and making bikes that people like.

so just for my sake please indulge me instead of hating the poll and recommending i go and ride for my self.

Cheers

[HenryDorsetCase]

no "all of the above"?

there are very few bikes that I would ever go "I absolutely categorically would NEVER EVER buy or own one of those shitpiles". All bikes are cool, to a greater or lesser extent. Cooler than cars anyway.

[HenryDorsetCase]

+1

I didn't include one because I wanted a gauge.

Two of the people that "don't care" expresses preferable options being, Yamaha (japan) or Italian.

This is what I'm trying to gauge and this is why i didn't include a don't care option.

I'm not trying to start yet another which bike/or brand is better just gauge a feel for who or where the "community" feels designers are getting it right, and making bikes that people like.

so just for my sake please indulge me instead of hating the poll and recommending i go and ride for my self.

Cheers

Your poll sucks and you should go and ride for your self.


it is so wide as to be meaningless. the "community" here ranges from people who got their licence and SYM wolf two weeks ago to guys who do Dusty Butts and race MX. I put it to you that there is no unifying theme in motorbikes, there is no geographic or cultural consistency in iconography and an MV Agusta has more in common with an R1 than it does with a Vespa or a Benelli TnT.

Bah Humbug.

[James Deuce]

+1

I didn't include one because I wanted a gauge.

Two of the people that "don't care" expresses preferable options being, Yamaha (japan) or Italian.

This is what I'm trying to gauge and this is why i didn't include a don't care option.

I'm not trying to start yet another which bike/or brand is better just gauge a feel for who or where the "community" feels designers are getting it right, and making bikes that people like.

so just for my sake please indulge me instead of hating the poll and recommending i go and ride for my self.

Cheers

I think you need to rethink your poll and what you are trying to achieve with it. Many excellent statistics, such as "Motorcyclists are 20 times more likely to suffer a serious injury in a MVA than a driver of a motor car" have been made up by people not thinking about the question they are seeking an answer to, and not structuring the poll options to reflect that question.

[Paul in NZ]

I'm not trying to start yet another which bike/or brand is better just gauge a feel for who or where the "community" feels designers are getting it right, and making bikes that people like.

so just for my sake please indulge me instead of hating the poll and recommending i go and ride for my self.

Cheers

SERIOUSLY (as in I genuinely believe this to be true) If you can't make you mind up for yourself what you should be riding or like to be riding or what suits you best after sitting on a few you should seriously reconsider riding at all. The whole bike thing is a confidence thing - backing yourself to make the right choice.

'Brands' like to segment their appeal to sub groups which is why they make so many different types of bikes. The brand itself might represent its self as sporty or off road etc or lets face it BEARS type bikes appeal to a certain group.

Anyway - NO maker produces good bikes all the time. Its a really silly question....

[Monkfish]

no "all of the above"?

you could select more than one option as stated in the OP.



it is so wide as to be meaningless.

To you.... But you didn't write it I did, so that statement is meaningless.



the "community" here ranges from people who got their licence and SYM wolf two weeks ago to guys who do Dusty Butts and race MX.
I put it to you that there is no unifying theme in motorbikes, there is no geographic or cultural consistency in iconography and an MV Agusta has more in common with an R1 than it does with a Vespa or a Benelli TnT.



And I put it to you that as people Have voted for their favorite region in bike production that there is most definitely consistency and iconography to some people in the "Community".
And Although an MV agusta does have more in common with an R1 than a vespa. It also has a lot in common with a Ducati 1198 or 848, Aprilia RSV, Benelli Tornado and Bimota sb8r! .... see how examples can be used to make yourself look cool.....



I think you need to rethink your poll and what you are trying to achieve with it. Many excellent statistics, such as "Motorcyclists are 20 times more likely to suffer a serious injury in a MVA than a driver of a motor car" have been made up by people not thinking about the question they are seeking an answer to, and not structuring the poll options to reflect that question.

+1
Agreed I believe that I didn't ask the right question to achieve the results I was after.

But if anyone is still reading the thread at this point, and can ascertain what it is I'm after. I am still looking for more votes.

Otherwise I happily accept /thread.

[Stirts]

:Oi:
Where is the "I am a bike slut - I'd ride anything" option?

[Monkfish]

SERIOUSLY (as in I genuinely believe this to be true) If you can't make you mind up for yourself what you should be riding or like to be riding or what suits you best after sitting on a few you should seriously reconsider riding at all. The whole bike thing is a confidence thing - backing yourself to make the right choice.

'Brands' like to segment their appeal to sub groups which is why they make so many different types of bikes. The brand itself might represent its self as sporty or off road etc or lets face it BEARS type bikes appeal to a certain group.

Anyway - NO maker produces good bikes all the time. Its a really silly question....

Refer to my last post I have Obviously gone way to wide of the mark when asking and setting up this poll, and this was in no way designed to help me choose what to ride.... I have my favorites.

Just trying to see what others thought.

[BoristheBiter]

+1

I didn't include one because I wanted a gauge.

Two of the people that "don't care" expresses preferable options being, Yamaha (japan) or Italian.

This is what I'm trying to gauge and this is why i didn't include a don't care option.

I'm not trying to start yet another which bike/or brand is better just gauge a feel for who or where the "community" feels designers are getting it right, and making bikes that people like.

so just for my sake please indulge me instead of hating the poll and recommending i go and ride for my self.

Cheers

You need to be more specific in what you are after.
There is no bike i would choose just because of where the head office is as most are now made all over the world.

I ride a bike because it fills a purpose for what i want to do at a particular time.

The question you have asked is akin to "why do you ride?" too many answers to put in one very limited poll choice.

[The Lone Rider]

I chose one of each. Because I don't give a shit. If a company makes a bike I like and can afford, then that is what I'll go with.

[Maha]

I chose one of each. Because I don't give a shit. If a company makes a bike I like and can afford, then that is what I'll go with.

Even Korean?

[HenryDorsetCase]

China makes more motorbikes than anyone!

[The Lone Rider]

Even Korean?

"If a company makes a bike I like and can afford, then that is what I'll go with."


In case there was confusion.

[martybabe]

I would never rule out any bike manufacturer or country of origin, if they make something I fancy and I have the money I would buy it. I do have prejudices however, I'm so old I can't remember where they came from but if all countries made a very similar bike I would be less likely to buy it from Italy, Britain, China and more likely to buy it from Japan, Germany, America.

Given only a short time at a motorbike show I would go to the Yamaha, Bmw and Harley stands in that order. Given a bonus five minutes I'd do the Suzuki and Motto Guzzi stands, I'll be fecked if I know why, just how it is.

[Gremlin]

Easy... most stuff is good. Just don't buy a Honda... only poofs have them.


:Oi:
Where is the "I am a bike slut - I'd ride anything" option?
:wavey:

[James Deuce]

Are you advertising again Gremlin? You've been warned about this not being a singles forum before!

[shrub]

I used to be Brit bike only in the old days, then I bought a CB750 and realised what I had been missing.

I still love Triumphs and reckon the modern ones are amongst the best bikes on the road in any class you name (apart from 1000cc superbikes), and will never sell my Thunderbird Sport because every time I ride it I get a big old grin. I also own an old BMW airhead, and while I bought it to do up and sell, it is a really amazing bike that I also doubt I will ever sell. I also used to own a Moto Guzzi Le Mans, and one day I will own another Guzzi, and I will own a Harley in the future. While I have done some of my best riding on Jap bikes, I'm not sure I will ever own another. I like the new ones, and respect them for their design excellence and superb build quality, but they don't invoke passion in me the way BEARS bikes do and the classics are selling for stupid money, even the ordinary shit like CB350s etc.

I will never own a Chinese or Korean bike because I really can't see the point unless you want a new(ish) bike and can't afford Japanese. Or have a bonfire planned.

[Shadows]

Anything so long as it isn't Japanese

[Stirts]

Just don't buy a Honda... only poofs have them.

I can see where the attraction is :D

http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=18132&stc=1&thumb=1&d=1145755221

http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=18130&d=1129780828

http://img.ehowcdn.com/article-page-main/ehow/images/a07/hp/08/remove-honda-motorcycle-baffle-800x800.jpg

http://www.xdcycle.com/discount-motorcycle-accessories/images/P/honda-cbr600rr-exhaust.jpg

[Laava]

I have my favorites..

You need to tell us so we can take up a contrary position!

[Big Dave]

I was a brand snob once. Then I got a gig as a journalist and started riding all different sorts and mingling with all different groups.
Then I realised it was a pretty dumb thing to be.

These days as far my vehicles go - I'm not loyal to anyone but me. Best tool for the job. Badge doesn't matter.

[Gremlin]

Are you advertising again Gremlin? You've been warned about this not being a singles forum before!
I have been warned? Musta forgot... Stirts should probably spank me (coz smacking is banned and all that).


I can see where the attraction is :D
Cor luv... you're dumped, I'll take some of that! :drool:

[Maha]

Just trying to see what others thought.

You should now change the poll to 'public'....:laugh:

[Stirts]

I have been warned? Musta forgot... Stirts should probably spank me (coz smacking is banned and all that).

Cor luv... you're dumped, I'll take some of that! :drool:

You remind me of a builders bum, full of bare faced cheek.

[Swoop]

I can see where the attraction is :D
I'd tap that!:niceone:

[hellokitty]

I have no loyalty at all, I am a bike whore - I have had 3 Suzukis, 1 Honda, 1 Kwaka, 1 Yamaha and 1 BMW and 1 Harley.
I like what I like and there is no real reason for it except for the fact I like it

[Kickaha]

Hmmmm 1 Italian, 1 German and 3 jappas in the shed and picking up a British one tomorrow, I could have done with a "dont give a shit option"

[Jantar]

....and yet, 23 people have cared enough to vote so far....:confused:

I voted for every choice except USA.

My first choice is Suzuki, my 2nd choice is Triumph, my 3rd choice is Ducati, my 4th choice KTM etc etc. So I don't have a country choice, its more brand and type. I can't think of a single brand from USA I'd want to own just yet, but the Zero is looking better all the time.