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FJRider

5th February 2012, 13:47

http://nz.news.yahoo.com/a/-/top-stories/12811637/weepu-s-baby-bottle-advert-ban/

What did they expect him to do ... Breast feed it ??? sending the wrong message ... ??? The message is feed your kids where and when they need it. If circumstance requires the FATHER to bottle feed ... so be it ...

I can't even see this as Political correctness ...

Virago

5th February 2012, 14:07

Yet another obsessively militant pressure group dictating how we must live our lives...:facepalm:

bogan

5th February 2012, 14:09

Maybe they expect him to hold his wife's tit like a bottle? Both messages there, going the natural way, and the father getting involved, the most PC solution I think.

tigertim20

5th February 2012, 14:43

fuckin stupid cunts.

FJRider

5th February 2012, 14:48

Yet another obsessively militant minority pressure group dictating how we must live our lives...:facepalm:

There ... fixed it for you ... :shutup:

Usarka

5th February 2012, 14:49

Cool give the kid to the mum to feed and fuck off down to the pub.

Thanks for the idea feminist bitches!

FJRider

5th February 2012, 14:53

His wife breastfeeding on prime time TV .... yep that would work ... :blink:

Woodman

5th February 2012, 14:54

This sort of shit does the complainers more harm than good.

Braindead fucks.

Red39

5th February 2012, 15:39

FJRider

5th February 2012, 15:43

+1 for watching Weepu breastfeed. I might even pay money to see that;-)

I haven't seen his wife ... so I wont say the same ... :innocent:

Red39

5th February 2012, 15:48

I haven't seen his wife ... so I wont say the same ... :innocent:

Maybe they could both have a shot - appeal to the masses :-)

Berries

5th February 2012, 16:41

La Leche is French for arseholes.

Strange but true......

onearmedbandit

5th February 2012, 16:49

Oh my fucking god. I've had some real facepalm moments with things in this country, but this is beyond belief. I want to ring someone responsible and explain to them just how fucked up they are. I suspect I'll be on the phone for about an hour.

slowpoke

5th February 2012, 17:00

The sad thing is the people pushing the ad caved to this sort of bullshit. Any right minded person would say "Thanks for your input, we'll take it onboard" and carry on regardless, instead they re-edit it. I hadn't even heard of this "La Leche" crowd and if they editorial group had even the tiniest of testicles that would still be the case.....aaaaargh!

MSTRS

5th February 2012, 17:15

Virago

5th February 2012, 17:42

FJRider

5th February 2012, 17:48

Furtively, behind closed doors, apparently...:blink:

Quite the OPPOSITE actually ... there is a "National breast-feeding day". And quite happy to show mothers feeding in PUBLIC places ... and DEMAND that they are allowed to as well ... and create a similar rucus if they aren't ...

onearmedbandit

5th February 2012, 17:52

Even breastfeeding mothers express milk, and keep it in the fridge. That way, dad can participate with feeding, particularly if mum is unable to for whatever reason, when the baby demands it's feed.

La Leche advocate doing this, so WTF?

Just how do they think the expressed mother's milk will be delivered to the baby?

No they don't. They appear to promote mother/baby interaction when it comes to feeding. One member says, and I quote, "A man isn't expected to feed his baby. It's unnecessary. He can do everything else to bond with his baby. It's not feeding that bonds them!"

FJRider

5th February 2012, 17:57

mashman

5th February 2012, 18:01

fuckin stupid cunts.

fuckin stupid bunch of tits?

FJRider

5th February 2012, 18:06

fuckin stupid bunch of tits?

Not the tit's that are the problem ... just their advocates ... :innocent:

Virago

5th February 2012, 18:08

Quite the OPPOSITE actually ... there is a "National breast-feeding day". And quite happy to show mothers feeding in PUBLIC places ... and DEMAND that they are allowed to as well ... and create a similar rucus if they aren't ...

That's the crucial hypocrisy - that La Leche demand that breastfeeding mothers be allowed to do so publically (I have no problem with that) - but they are demanding that bottle-feeding be kept out of sight.

No they don't. They appear to promote mother/baby interaction when it comes to feeding. One member says, and I quote, "A man isn't expected to feed his baby. It's unnecessary. He can do everything else to bond with his baby. It's not feeding that bonds them!"

The ultimate dismissal, eh? I guess all the fathers who have felt such bonding when feeding their babies were wrong.

La Leche are rapidly losing credibility as a result of their militant extremism.

mashman

5th February 2012, 18:11

Not the tit's that are the problem ... just their advocates ... :innocent:

but but but, I like tits

Oakie

5th February 2012, 18:16

My daughter's friend was part of the group that complained. Arguments ensued between daughter and friend. Daughter likes Piri. Can say no more on the subject as I've sent her the link to this. Hi Emma!

FJRider

5th February 2012, 18:23

That's the crucial hypocrisy - that La Leche demand that breastfeeding mothers be allowed to do so publically (I have no problem with that) - but they are demanding the bottle-feeding be kept out of sight.

Along with the fathers ... :facepalm:

The ultimate dismissal, eh? I guess all the fathers who have felt such bonding when feeding their babies were wrong.

I think the mothers felt better ... when the fathers were doing the feeding ... :yes:

How the fathers felt about it .... was irrelevant ... <_<

FJRider

5th February 2012, 18:25

but but but, I like tits

I rest my case ... :yes:

Red39

5th February 2012, 18:48

but but but, I like tits

Good thing you've got your own to play with 24/7 then eh! :)

mashman

5th February 2012, 18:58

I rest my case ... :yes:

You're gay.

Good thing you've got your own to play with 24/7 then eh! :)

My moobs are my own business.

Oakie

5th February 2012, 19:12

Ha ha. My daughter's Facebook page approves of KB's attitude. (Ha ha ... 'atTITude' )

MSTRS

5th February 2012, 19:22

No they don't. They appear to promote mother/baby interaction when it comes to feeding. One member says, and I quote, "A man isn't expected to feed his baby. It's unnecessary. He can do everything else to bond with his baby. It's not feeding that bonds them!"

Well, like all organisations, the individual members may have different ideas.
La Leche, as an organisation, started to promote 'Breast is best' ... as in human milk for human babies. How that milk was delivered to the baby was not the issue.
My own mother was a 'counseller' with them for years. She did it for the above reason, and to provide support to mothers who wanted to breastfeed, but were having troubles of whatever. Some babies will take a rubber teat, but not a nipple (weird, huh?) so expressing, refrigerating and bottlefeeding was what she 'pushed'. To the best of my knowledge, the father was encouraged to participate.

mashman

5th February 2012, 19:27

Ha ha. My daughter's Facebook page approves of KB's attitude. (Ha ha ... 'atTITude' )

TITillated whilst keeping abreast of the thread :innocent:

MSTRS

5th February 2012, 19:29

Better NIPple that in the bud...

Oakie

5th February 2012, 19:30

Various mothers' perspectives from my daughters facebook group. The posting from she who complained about the advert it is in italics.

(me) everyone KNOWS that 'breast is best' - we get it shoved down our throats constantly, but this advert is about anti-smoking, not whether breast is best or not. I would love to see the footage - a 'tough' man like this being an involved parent? Maybe THAT could be a good influence on some men?

then Mel pops this in:
I was part of the group that complained. It was stated that there were alot of other ways to show bonding between father and child, not just bottle feeding. Bathing his baby, wearing her in a sling or wrap, taking her for a walk in pram or just cuddling her. And I agree there would be a million complaints about say a famous netballer breastfeeding her baby on tv, I mean there are so many photos on here removed because of people reporting them, why not complain about bottle feeding ;) Ive been asked to move to a "hidden" area in McDs and other cafes because people dont want to see me breastfeeding and I always get horrible looks from people. I dont think there is anything wrong with breastfeeding people finally getting to complain about bottle feeding in public, feels kinda good really.

(me) bottle feeding IS a fact of life for lots of babies in NZ, and it's not something that bottle feeders SHOULD be ashamed of. What isn't to say his partner was unable to breastfeed? Or that there was EBM in the bottle? Or that like their older daughter, this baby has the same health problems that mean she can't be breastfed? It's OTT when it is a few seconds of an advert. That isn't even about feeding a baby. If it was a full advert of "don't breastfeed your baby" - yea, fair enough. But it's not.

(someone else) We should be promoting acceptance of PARENTING and the choices we make as parents. Spread the knowledge of breastfeeding in a loving and accepting manner = awesome, force breastfeeding down people's throats and making them feel like shit if they choose to bottle feed = not awesome. I have 3 daughters, first one I breastfed til 2 weeks and switched to formula. Second one I breastfed til 6 weeks and switched to formula. 3rd one I am still breastfeeding at 13 months. I feel like an awesome parent because I fed and raised my kids based on MY FAMILY, not based on what a crazy bunch of breastfeeding activists say I should be doing. And I didn't bottle feed my two oldest kids because I thought it was "cool" or more acceptable. I was a parent, and I chose how to parent my kids.

(me) I'd have darely loved to BF both my girls - but it didn't work, even with lactation consultants giving me help.. and it took me ages to get over it, and every time I got 'that look' in the parents room when I was feeding the girls, I felt like I might as well have been feeding them a bottle of bleach laced with cocaine and a little asbestos for good measure.

(someone else)
This wasn't just an opinion of a group of people, they used some VERY harsh words in regards to bottle feeding, saying that LLL was "offended" and "The damage that this shot of a celebrity All Black will do to breastfeeding in New Zealand Aotearoa will be significant." DAMAGED lol. Not like Oh, we believe breast is best so I think its best this advertisement doesn't take sides and choose a more neutral way to show parental bonding. They called bottle feeding offensive and damaging lol

(me) Yes, he does DOES carry weight.. so for the Dad who just lies around while Mum feeds bub - or that Dad who pisses off to the pub while Mum looks after bub all day.. perhaps there is something to be said about them seeing an ad with Piri BEING a good Dad.. maybe they'll look at it and go "wow, my idol does all that dad shit - maybe I could do the same".... I sure hope that when the article about Cory Jane & his family comes out in the Womans Day/Weekly soon ,that there aren't photos of HIM bottle feeding his daughter. "All Blacks are all awful men because they bottle feed"

(then Terri got in on it... lol) QUESTION How do we know it was formula in the bottle? Everyone is assuming he's formula feeding his daughter (which by the way, BFD if it was formula - would you rather baby starves?) From 12 weeks old Bronté was bottle fed by her Dad, and shock horror it was breast milk! Thats right guys, we have this little thing called a "breast pump" that allowed us to give our daughter breast milk while I went off to work. So I'll admit it, I have a baby, and I work, meaning she has been fed countless times from a bottle. And guess what?! I'm not the only person doing it! As unbelievable as it sounds I actually work with a couple that do the same thing!!! There is nothing wrong with feeding your baby from a bottle. I LOVE BOTTLES. If we didn't have bottles I wouldn't be able to get those couple of hours a day to myself to miss my baby. If we didn't have bottles my partner wouldn't be able to enjoy the time he gets alone with our daughter and bonding together. How many mothers have given up breastfeeding because it was a major stress factor? How many could have continued had their partner been able to help them by bottle feeding at night when she was too tired? I LOVE BOTTLE FEEDING DADS!!!

(someone else) I am a huge advocate of Breastfeeding. And nursing in public. And I refused to give my dd formula even when our pediatrician was pushing it. You dont get more supportive of Breastfeeding than me. But I 100% disagree that there are better ways for dads to bond with their children. I didn't pump for my husband when my dd was born and it was a mistake. One I won't be repeating with our new baby. Couples in this day and age need to be equally responsible for caring for their children. There should be no task from which either is excluded. And to me suggesting that a man using a bottle is somehow discouraging breastfeeding is close-minded, offensive, and dangerous. I'm far less worried about someone watching a 30 second clip of a celebrity feeding his baby a bottle and investing in a huge supply of formula and VERY concerned about what damage might be done to the newest generation of fathers who are being told they have no place in feeding their babies.

mashman

5th February 2012, 19:38

sounds like someone's got the blues.

FJRider

5th February 2012, 19:43

TITillated whilst keeping abreast of the thread :innocent:

You're milking it a bit .... <_<

Oakie

5th February 2012, 19:48

You're milking it a bit .... <_<

That comment lactates. Oops, I mean lacks taste.

FJRider

5th February 2012, 19:51

That comment lactates. Oops, I mean lacks taste.

I think you're pulling my tit ... :confused:

mashman

5th February 2012, 19:59

My wife decided the whole thing was full of fail. Two of ours had to be bottle fed as they couldn't latch on due to tongue tie... which was great news for me.

MSTRS

5th February 2012, 19:59

Can I EXPRESSly forbid the continuation of these puns?

Woodman

5th February 2012, 20:00

This issue just doesn't hold water.:sick:

MSTRS

5th February 2012, 20:01

Of course it does. But there is a FORMULA...

mashman

5th February 2012, 20:02

Can I EXPRESSly forbid the continuation of these puns?

but we're not allowed to bottle it all up.

MSTRS

5th February 2012, 20:06

but we're not allowed to bottle it all up.

Damn! I can't give this one the TrEATment it so richly deserves.

Woodman

5th February 2012, 20:08

usually the ABs get in trouble for having too many jugs. Poor buggers can't win.

mashman

5th February 2012, 20:12

Damn! I can't give this one the TrEATment it so richly deserves.

You have the vocab, it must just be a slight slip off the mammary

MSTRS

5th February 2012, 20:14

Yea - it suckles when that happens

mashman

5th February 2012, 20:21

Don't sweaTIT, we're all susceptible to boobs

FJRider

5th February 2012, 20:27

This issue just doesn't hold water.:sick:

Of course not silly ... it holds MILK ... :whistle:

Pussy

5th February 2012, 20:36

La leche are tits!....

onearmedbandit

5th February 2012, 20:38

You lot are a right bunch of teats, ya boobs. Useless as tits on a bull. If you kept abreast of the tituation you'd realise there is no formula that is suitable, can I express that enough. I'd like to believe that your complaining might reach the right people, but I'd say you lot wouldn't have the bottle. Right now what's in front of us is of interest due to the firmness of the issue, but like all issues it will soon droop away and loose its appeal, despite more support being required. If mammory serves me right this will all become something we'll no longer have a tight grip on, like so many before. It's all a bust.

Red39

5th February 2012, 20:55

Hooters. Just thought I'd put them out there ;)

FJRider

5th February 2012, 20:58

Hooters. Just thought I'd put them out there ;)

That I'd like to see ... :yes:

Pic's or they didn't happen ... :innocent:

Oakie

5th February 2012, 20:59

For me, I think it's just a storm in a D cup.

mashman

5th February 2012, 21:07

FJRider

5th February 2012, 21:09

Some people just cant latch on to that ... they need to get a grasp ...

Oakie

5th February 2012, 21:10

Daughter has just viewed latest in thread and advises that in her opinion La Leche will be BRAssed off.

mashman

5th February 2012, 21:10

La leche are tits!....

Je Letch @ tits

Virago

5th February 2012, 21:17

Le Lechers have soon latched on...

Oakie2.0

5th February 2012, 21:40

I'm Oakie's (eldest, most mature) daughter & wanted to add my own puns to this enlightening conversation, before Oakie claims them as his own.....

First off, I was not surprised when Dad alerted me that this thread had turned into a pun-fest (admittedly rather amusing, and had me laughing quite loudly!) - and I was less surprised to see men TEAT it like it's a joke. And as Oakie posted a couple of posts ago, I believe the La Leche would be rather BRAssed off by a) this conversation and b) 'the whole Piri saga' in general. I also think that this is just the NIP of the iceberg....

I'm not sure which of those is my BREAST pun... some of them may need tweaking.........

(this is where I bow & exit gracefully)

mashman

5th February 2012, 21:40

Le Lechers have soon latched on...

I see an Oakie2.0... are things about to go tits up ... (hello)

mashman

5th February 2012, 21:52

To be honest my excuse is that I wasn't breast fed as a child so it's probably the fathers's fault for wanting to be part of his family

FJRider

5th February 2012, 21:52

ellipsis

5th February 2012, 21:52

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FJRider

5th February 2012, 21:54

To be honest my excuse is that I wasn't breast fed as a child so it's probably the fathers's fault for wanting to be part of his family

Neither was I ... but I'm trying to make up for lost time ... :woohoo:

mashman

5th February 2012, 21:57

Neither was I ... but I'm trying to make up for lost time ... :woohoo:

:rofl: stealing milk from a baby :shit:... you should be ashamed of yourself... or at the very least playing for the All Blacks

Berries

5th February 2012, 23:34

Who the fuck is Piri Weepu anyway?

Bald Eagle

5th February 2012, 23:46

Who the fuck is Piri Weepu anyway?

Mr & Mrs Weepus little boy

Oakie2.0

6th February 2012, 07:25

I think it's time this was NIPped in the bud....

(hi Dad, get back to work!)

Red39

6th February 2012, 07:50

Who the fuck is Piri Weepu anyway?

Doesn't he play for the Warriors:)

Woodman

6th February 2012, 08:02

Who the fuck is Piri Weepu anyway?

You're pulling my tit aren't you:laugh:

PrincessBandit

6th February 2012, 08:17

Various mothers' perspectives from my daughters facebook group. The posting from she who complained about the advert it is in italics.
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(me) everyone KNOWS that 'breast is best' - we get it shoved down our throats constantly,.......

Oh I'm sure many of the blokes on here would be giving their right nut for that!!

My kids were both different - one got boobies, the other got bottle. Just the way it had to work out.
It brasses me off when something that should be a positive message (dads involved with the holistic picture of bringing up their children) gets hijacked by an issue like this. I support La Leche League in their "breast is best" (if it is a totally doable option for the parents(s) - and it's NOT always an option for some). Absolute idiocy as far as I'm concerned that these bleating moaners can't give the general population credit for being able to use their own brain in terms of deciphering the message of the ad, and instead focussing on a narrow window of possible misinterpretation.

Stirts

6th February 2012, 09:05

The Breastapo need to pull their farking heads in!!!

MSTRS

6th February 2012, 09:18

Trust you to want to get that off your chest...

avgas

6th February 2012, 09:22

I had some fun. You guys should too
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The Lone Rider

6th February 2012, 16:17

Groups like La Leche League are a dime a dozen. They predominately discuss amongst themselves on the likes of Facebook, and reinforce, self propagate, and exclude each other as needed. The sharing of self righteousness.

You can look at the ladies discussing amongst themselves in the following link, however don't bother posting. From what I gather, their complaints about the advert (which was an anti smoking one right?) seemed to have drawn a lot of attention to them and they have put a blanket policy of deleting any posts not about promoting, discussing, or helping the cause of breast feeding.

It would seem to me a failure to promote interest and discussion of their cause, by blocking any discussion of their actions when they cause a stir up.

https://www.facebook.com/LLLNZ

I got nothing against breastfeeding in public, or that advert.

I do have a problems with the mantra of some pro-breastfeeding rights hippies though. I have seen first hand a GP warn one of these La Leche League followers that if she continues breastfeeding her child (instead of promptly weening), there will be a number of psychological issues for the child; such as development of self, independence, etc. The GP was adamant the child was getting to old to be breast feeding still. True story.

MSTRS

6th February 2012, 16:26

. I have seen first hand a GP warn one of these La Leche League followers that if she continues breastfeeding her child (instead of promptly weening), there will be a number of psychological issues for the child; such as development of self, independence, etc. The GP was adamant the child was getting to old to be breast feeding still. True story.

Uh huh...and what age was that child?

The Lone Rider

6th February 2012, 16:39

Uh huh...and what age was that child?

Old enough to not need breast feeding. That's for certain.

You can check out the discussions at https://www.facebook.com/CampbellLiveNZ

Few people there saying they know La Leche NZ followers who breastfeed their kids as late as 5, 6 and 7 years old. That would seem pretty late wouldn't you think? :mellow:

MSTRS

6th February 2012, 16:50

I've seen 5, maybe 6 year olds. Not really feeding, I guess, more of the cuddle with extras.
Agree - way too old. But then, when IS too old? There isn't any hard and fast rule, is there?

ducatilover

6th February 2012, 16:51

So he got BUSTed with a bottle?

Hypothetical situation:
Mother dies after birth, father is left with baby. Baby dies because he isn't able to grow breasts in time. Father is congratulated by total tit tossers (who ever these plonkers are) for keeping his baby safe and away from bottles or being fed by a dirty stinky man.

To push this idea through, the need better cleaverage.

FJRider

6th February 2012, 17:03

Interesting ... they promote themselves as an international, non govermental organisition ... yet claim the scenes removed in the (anti-smoking) advert would ... undermine "another Goverment funded campaign that supports breastfeeding" ... There are other ones ... ???

But it's ok ... apparently ... it's the NZ Hearalds fault for publishing an "inflamitory" article ...

The Lone Rider

6th February 2012, 17:04

I've seen 5, maybe 6 year olds. Not really feeding, I guess, more of the cuddle with extras.
Agree - way too old. But then, when IS too old? There isn't any hard and fast rule, is there?

In theory you and I could still be doing it.

Psychology has many valid points though. Children do need to develop independence and the idea and understanding they are their own person. While I can't show you any studies to back up what I say, and I'm not willing to do the research right now either, there is definitely a profound juncture in a child's life where it's important they move onto solids and the coddling of breast feeding need stop. This is around 2 years of age. Of course varies child to child, and there are some that say the child will stop when the child is ready (as opposed to the parent deciding what's best).

You can still of course cuddle the child, which has a different psychological affect than breastfeeding.

One thing I see though is a lack of understanding or admitting from the likes of "breast nazis", that breastfeeding psychologically affects the mother as well.

I would take a stab that the special feeling of breastfeeding, for some mothers, would consciously or unconsciously make them not want to give it up. To that end, they may or may not argue that carrying on breastfeeding for many years is best for the child, when possibly their reasoning has more to do with the way it makes them feel (the mothers wants, not the childs needs). Or of course they just simply have the opinion it's better for the child.

I am by far no expert - I have plenty of opinion on the subject, and some basic memories of my child development studies when I did an entry level psychology diploma.

FJRider

6th February 2012, 17:17

TV One news will discuss the issue tonight. (shortly)

FJRider

6th February 2012, 17:57

On Close Up ... shortly (TV1)

slofox

6th February 2012, 18:02

:facepalm: Oh all the boon-fucking-doggling...what effing next?

scissorhands

6th February 2012, 19:10

Fonterra staying in mantrol
Babies suffer poor diet

sometimes a parrot talks

Number One

6th February 2012, 19:32

The Breastapo need to pull their farking heads in!!!

Agree completely! So pissed to hear they've pulled the ad - such bollocks.

Anyway - who says there wasn't breast milk in the god damn bottle anyway.

Isn't the fact that it was a positive image of a daddy feeding and caring and bonding with his bubba a good thing??!!

The ad wasn't even about feeding the god damn baby anyway - bloody disgusting

Berries

6th February 2012, 23:07

Agree - way too old. But then, when IS too old? There isn't any hard and fast rule, is there?
I found that when I left home for Uni I had to give it up.

MSTRS

7th February 2012, 08:13

That woman on CloseUp ... my god!!! The crap she spouted must have done untold damage to the cause of breastfeeding.
She'd be the first to scream propaganda and censorship if this situation was applied to breastfeeding.
Forty years ago, we had the screaming hordes of women's libbers, who insisted that women could do anything and 'changed the world'. Sort of, anyway. The point is tho, nothing was sacrosanct and their efforts lead to a blurring of gender roles as most people understood them. Funny how one of the two things that only women can do is considered so off-limits to men that a commercial can be altered by the likes of a La Leche Nazi.
Men may not have the biological equipment (yet? *shudder*) but 'we' are perfectly capable of having a hand in the feeding of our babies. A man who wants to should be encouraged...they will have a better relationship with their child/ren because of it, for a start.

The mantra 'Breast is best' should be "Breast MILK is best" because that is what they meant when it was coined.

I wonder what that woman and her ilk would say if a mother installed a system that delivered formula through her own nipples? Would that be ok?

nudemetalz

7th February 2012, 10:08

My wife and I walked out of an ante-natal class about 2 and a half years ago (before no.1 was born obviously) as they were giving us crap like you should only breast-feed and bottle feeding will do harm like brain damage etc. I told them it was all a bunch of bollocks. I wasn't popular but didn't care.
My wife couldn't express so both of our kids have been bottle-fed on formula by both of us.
They have turned out healthy, intelligent and happy.

Paul in NZ

7th February 2012, 10:34

Bloody breast feeding Nazi's hi jacking someone elses media spend to promote their own cause.

Frankly I think they have a good cause BUT are actually doing themselves great harm here. Sure - breast is best but there are a zillion reasons why formula has a place you can't be too one eyed about it. Vicki always breast fed but with twins there comes a time you just can't make enough milk and have to companion feed formula.

I full support their good intentions but utterly deplore their methods in this case.

Paul in NZ

7th February 2012, 10:35

I wonder what that woman and her ilk would say if a mother installed a system that delivered formula through her own nipples? Would that be ok?

Hmmmmmmmmm....

MSTRS

7th February 2012, 10:43

... but with twins there comes a time you just can't make enough milk and have to companion feed formula...

Utter tosh!!

Hire a wet nurse

Paul in NZ

7th February 2012, 10:57

Utter tosh!!

Hire a wet nurse

Yes I suggested to Vicki that we should get in some nubile topless young girl as a wet nurse. Of course at that time she was not (understandably) much interested in other activities as well so I did suggest we could get in a stand in for that as well...

Nursing mothers are just so damn moody...... :no:

FJRider

7th February 2012, 11:02

That woman on CloseUp ... my god!!! The crap she spouted must have done untold damage to the cause of breastfeeding.

I saw it ... she was not the perfect choice "to go on tv" for their cause ...

I think a few generations have passed since SHE last breast-fed ... :laugh:

FJRider

7th February 2012, 11:05

... Of course at that time she was not (understandably) much interested in other activities as well so I did suggest we could get in a stand in for that as well...

I hope you had a comfortable couch at the time ....

Paul in NZ

7th February 2012, 11:17

I hope you had a comfortable couch at the time ....

Once the bruises healed and the bones knitted I was fine.....

Oakie2.0

7th February 2012, 14:40

Oakie's daughter here again..

Watched Cambpell Live and Close Up last night re: Boob-Gate...

Piri Weepu on Campbell live - great speaker, great interview - and he summed it up perfectly at the end 'my kids - my choice, no one is going to tell me how to raise my children'. His Mum spoke too - VERY much in supportive of her son, of course - and she made a lot of sense.

WHICH is more than I can say for the tree hugging hippy wench who was on Close Up.... I was close to throwing a rock at the TV. Then I realised I would miss Shortland Street. That wouldn't do.

She mentioned breastfeeders feeling like they were a minority, that they were picked on, that bottle feeding is normal. SHE obviously hasn't sat around parents rooms in ANY mall and observed breastfeeding mothers reactions to bottle feeding mothers. The most daunting experience I have had as a mother is walking into the parents room to bottle feed my daughter (I know, lock me up, throw away the key) - to find a congregation of about 5 breastfeeding mothers all sitting their feeding away, and every single one of them giving me the death stare as I made up my bottle of formula to feed my 2 week old baby - then having the following conversation with one..
boob-nazi: oh how old is your baby?
intimidated bottle feeding sinner: she's 2 weeks old
boob-nazi: oh. that's young to be giving formula. you should have been informed about why you need to breastfeed
bottle feeding sinner: I was, and I tried my hardest, but it didnt' work for us
boob-nazi: I'm sure you could have tried harder...
bottle feeding sinner retreats to feed baby elsewhere.

Have nada against boobfeeding in public - had I been able to, I'd have been plopping it out right along side them, but it wasn't a reality with either of my girls... and I have only ever been made to feel like a terrible mother because of that. the lactavists (that is the term they use for themselves..) get up in arms about being asked to move elsewhere because someone feels uncomfortable with seeing a breast out in public..... but then THEY make bottle feeders feel uncomfortable feeding in public, and like they are a sham and a poor excuse of a mother.

I happen to think that the image of Piri Weepu as a caring/loving father and supportive spouse is probably going to make more of an impact on people than the 5 second image of Piri Weepu feeding his baby a bottle.

*AS* a single parent I love seeing a Daddy who is cuddling his baby, feeding his baby, playing with his baby... you know, BEING A PARENT... It's something that a lot of kids miss out on (luckily I wasn't one of those children), and I think if ONE man (or woman) decides to make more of an effort to be a better parent because they saw a much loved Kiwi bloke doing this.... then the ad is going to have enormous pay off - for that kid anyway. And that kid who suddenly has an awesome Mum/Dad because of this? THEY are going to follow their parents lead be more likely to be a nurturing/etc/etc parent in 20, 30 years time.

Did I mention this is something I'm passionate about? :Punk:

MSTRS

7th February 2012, 14:44

+1 to all that

I can only imagine how that evil witch in the Mother's Rest (btw - herring bone or rotary?) made you feel, if you wanted to breastfeed but couldn't.
If that happens again, ask the heartless bitch if she'd like the job of wet nurse. Explain that it's a 24/7 position, the pay is lousy, but oh! the job satisfaction she'll get seeing a baby through to school age...

XxKiTtiExX

7th February 2012, 15:04

I'm all for pro choice. Breast or bottle. Whatever works for both you and bub. So long as the baby isn't screaming because its hungry, really at the end of the day who cares? La Leche has really gone to far by kicking up a fuss about nothing, and its probably only damaged their "Breast is best" push.

As for those who have been looked up and down for bottle feeding, well it works both ways. I have been told multiples times that breastfeeding was disgusting. And that once a baby turned one they were to old to breastfeed. Got treated like filth for feeding my son up until he turned two. Ended up being too ashamed to sit down and feed him anywhere unless it was at home.

End of the day you can't win. But some people need to seriously get off their moral high horse. How about we make an attack on something that seriously needs it like our child abuse stats instead of something as ridiculous as a child actually being fed.

Christ.

Oakie

7th February 2012, 18:24

Oakie's daughter here again..

I've created a monster! This also explains why I had to actually login when I fired up KB tonight.

How about we make an attack on something that seriously needs it like our child abuse stats instead of something as ridiculous as a child actually being fed. Christ.

Very well said ma'am. Be blinged.

mashman

7th February 2012, 20:58

I think a few generations have passed since SHE last breast-fed ... :laugh:

What if you're wrong :sick:

FJRider

7th February 2012, 21:01

What if you're wrong :sick:

ME ... WRONG ... :eek: ... :laugh:

Red39

7th February 2012, 21:10

What if you're wrong :sick:

Curdled milk !!

mashman

7th February 2012, 21:14

that excellent post

My wife had problems with producing enough milk at time and with 2 of the 3 having tongues ties that didn't help. She felt like a "failure" in regards to giving the a "healthy" start in life, but that was because of the pressure from the midwives... I was not happy with how that made my wife feel and I voiced my concerns to lay the fuck off as it obviously wasn't working. It doesn't work for everyone and I find it hard to believe that professionals, even though they're looking at a bottle that's been expressed for nearly 5 minutes with less than a teaspoon of milk in it, push and push a mother having just gone through childbirth to struggle through with a crying baby and the "humiliation" of not being able to produce enough milk... Apparently I was quite angry at the time.

As XxKiTtiExX says, who gives a fuck as long as the baby is getting fed, the last thing a knackered woman that's just given birth needs is pressure and a screaming baby.

ME ... WRONG ... :eek: ... :laugh:

Sorry, I feel like a right tit now.

FJRider

7th February 2012, 21:20

Sorry, I feel like a right tit now.

I'm not biased ... I'd be happy with a left one ... :bleh:

Clockwork

8th February 2012, 07:20

I've seen 5, maybe 6 year olds. Not really feeding, I guess, more of the cuddle with extras.
Agree - way too old. But then, when IS too old? There isn't any hard and fast rule, is there?

Personally, I'd have thought teeth would be a good indicator. :pinch:

MSTRS

8th February 2012, 07:48

Personally, I'd have thought teeth would be a good indicator. :pinch:

I think a lot of women do too....
Surely the term 'milk teeth' is a clue? Don't they start loosing them at around 5/6? :devil2:

avgas

8th February 2012, 08:24

Hypothetical situation:
Mother dies after birth, father is left with baby. Baby dies because he isn't able to grow breasts in time. Father is congratulated by total tit tossers (who ever these plonkers are) for keeping his baby safe and away from bottles or being fed by a dirty stinky man.
Here is something I did for something else on a similar note
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-tZYQEQ77kDs/TzC1ZYfTIhI/AAAAAAAAFBA/eomtTnf8JoU/s1600/bottle.png

ckai

8th February 2012, 09:33

Wow, the fun you can miss when you don't watch the news! I'm actually surprised no Pro-Boob's have jumped in...or is it because since we here are predominately male we would like to keep the monopoly of the bossom.

This breast vs bottle is getting really fucking old. At the birthing centre, my wife was in tears several times trying to breast feed. It was our midwife who just happened to pop in during a try who, with a disgusted tone, said to the nurse, "what the hell are you doing? Clearing the mum is pain. This isn't bonding. This will do the opposite. Think!"

Sums it up really. People should think. I used to love hearing comments from people about our son saying "wow he's a big boy. He must be breast fed."

To which I would proudly say "nope bottle. And proud of it".

When I'd feed the boy in public, I would always be disappointed no nazis's approached me giving me a go. I had a prepared speech that included all the things a mother had to eat to effectively provide the adequate nutrients for the child and if they were eating that way. Purely to shut them up. Never used it so I guess woman don't like given shit to men, only other women. Bloody bullshit.

What's best is what's best for the child AND mother. Be it any way. If both are happy that is the only thing that matters.

MSTRS

8th February 2012, 09:52

... I'm actually surprised no Pro-Boob's have jumped in....

I am. Thought my posts made that clear. I happen to think that human milk is best for human babies, and every mother should be encouraged to breast feed. Encouraged...not forced...I'm not rabid on the subject, like the harridan on CloseUP and her ilk that started this.

People tend to not realise that breast milk is only available as long as it is 'extracted'. Stop (or never start) feeding, and it dries up. It is a rare thing for a dry mother to start producing again. So all those that bottlefeed no longer have the option anyway, so it is a redundant argument that they are doing their baby a dis-service.

ckai

8th February 2012, 13:13

I am. Thought my posts made that clear. I happen to think that human milk is best for human babies, and every mother should be encouraged to breast feed. Encouraged...not forced...I'm not rabid on the subject, like the harridan on CloseUP and her ilk that started this.

People tend to not realise that breast milk is only available as long as it is 'extracted'. Stop (or never start) feeding, and it dries up. It is a rare thing for a dry mother to start producing again. So all those that bottlefeed no longer have the option anyway, so it is a redundant argument that they are doing their baby a dis-service.

I must have skim-read over your post. "Encouragement" is very much one of those perceived traits. As in, what I perceive as encouragement, you may perceive as forcing. It's unfortunate but a fact of life. Some people genuinely want to help, others need to take a step back and look at the bigger picture.

I liked our midwifes way of doing things; this is why it's better (natural, cheaper, etc), give it a crack, some people can't do it. Don't feel bad. Give it a couple goes. But you're not going to hell if you can't. And tell people to stick it if they look down on you.

Of course she used more colourful language. :) That's how the encouragement should go. I probably take more of a hard-core stance on bottle feeding being perfectly acceptable (be it formula or natural) simply because of all the hard-core anti-bottle judgmental people. It's purely defensive.

MSTRS

8th February 2012, 13:50

encouragement - the expression of approval and support - the act of giving hope or support to someone - the feeling of being encouraged

coercion - the act of compelling by force of authority

I'm not sure how anyone could mistake encouragement for coercion

FROSTY

9th February 2012, 07:50

Ya know if I diddn't know better I'd say its another case of. "we don't actually want fathers in a nurturing role"
The message loud and clear from the rabid BIB brigade is just that.
Maybee times have changed but with my lads the nicest thing I could do for their mum was take them away for a few hours so she could get some rest Or do one night feed for her. Go figure shitty nappies had to be changed and they needed feeding.
Formula it was

The Lone Rider

9th February 2012, 11:10

DADS - Send us a pic of you and your baby at feed-time: newsdesk@nzherald.co.nz

Also, in support of returning the advert to include the Piri 2 second clip, people have been changing their profile pictures and avatars on Facebook etc.. to show themselves bottle feeding their child.

The Lone Rider

12th February 2012, 13:06

https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-snc7/p480x480/408879_160701804045218_159373234178075_227146_5577 89652_n.jpg

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Zedder

12th February 2012, 14:10