Autopsy

[richban]

Well I striped most of the engine today. Looks like the piston gave up. Or it could have been the pin. Anyway I now have the old engine in and ready to go racing. Also thanks to Boyle Kawasaki I have a new bottom end to build a new engine with. Crank is salvageable valves are bent. Barrel will need a re sleeve. It will be back better and faster than ever for the GP.



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[crazy man]

Well I striped most of the engine today. Looks like the piston gave up. Or it could have been the pin. Anyway I now have the old engine in and ready to go racing. Also thanks to Boyle Kawasaki I have a new bottom end to build a new engine with. Crank is salvageable valves are bent. Barrel will need a re sleeve. It will be back better and faster than ever for the GP.



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[Rick 52]

. It will be back better and faster than ever for the GP


That's a worry! Never doubted you Rich ...

[mossy1200]

fix that up no probs.Add extra for more compression

[Clivoris]

That was quick work for a fat old bastard.

[Str8 Jacket]

That was quick work for a fat old bastard.

That's 'styley' fat old bastard to you sir!

[hmurphy]

BANG!! :crybaby:

Rich I reckon you should start developing a 2 stroke. I hear those things are getting 30hp haha. You do it first in Welly, tell me how to do it and I'll get one too.

[Bert]

Well I striped most of the engine today. Looks like the piston gave up. Or it could have been the pin. Anyway I now have the old engine in and ready to go racing. Also thanks to Boyle Kawasaki I have a new bottom end to build a new engine with. Crank is salvageable valves are bent. Barrel will need a re sleeve. It will be back better and faster than ever for the GP.


Bugger :shit: :no: :bleh: should get a two stroke :niceone:
My money is still on the pin; but i guess no one will ever know.

Well done on getting the other motor in, in quick time.
but it will be interesting to see what the new improved one go's like..

[speedpro]

interesting to see what the new improved one go's like..

BANG is my bet:laugh:

[timg]

Ooooh - Messy :shit:
Well I striped most of the engine today. Looks like the piston gave up. Or it could have been the pin. Anyway I now have the old engine in and ready to go racing. Also thanks to Boyle Kawasaki I have a new bottom end to build a new engine with. Crank is salvageable valves are bent. Barrel will need a re sleeve. It will be back better and faster than ever for the GP.



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[Yow Ling]

The bucket racing version of Christchurch CBD

[Buckets4Me]

Well I striped most of the engine today. Looks like the piston gave up. Or it could have been the pin.

not enough premix in the fuel :msn-wink::doh:

good excuse to build a faster engine

[richban]

BANG is my bet:laugh:

Well I will be running a full faring with a big catch tray in the bottom so no others suffer when she looses her life's blood. I would expect it to go good as gold. We will have to wait and see. :niceone:

[richban]

not enough premix in the fuel

Funny you should say that. Never had any valve guide seals so was running a little premix motul. Just not the kind you would be used it smelling.

[speedpro]

Well I will be running a full faring with a big catch tray in the bottom so no others suffer when she looses her life's blood. I would expect it to go good as gold. We will have to wait and see. :niceone:

Isn't there some rule about that sort of thing with "real" race bikes? It probably wouldn't hurt to encourage 4-stroke riders to put something in place. We could start with FXR riders. It may also be advantagious to have some sort of scatter shield or blanket like on drag race transmissions. Could be a use for old bullet-proof vests. I'd personally prefer to see something in 1/4" plate surrounding the bottom end and possibly filled with concrete.

[speedpro]

Interesting checking out the cams in the background of the photos. Ramps have been steepened and max lift increased but not too excessive looking at them. Any chance of seeing a plot of lift versus crank position for stock and "race" cams? I know that's probably confidential, fair enough.

[richban]

Interesting checking out the cams in the background of the photos. Ramps have been steepened and max lift increased but not too excessive looking at them. Any chance of seeing a plot of lift versus crank position for stock and "race" cams? I know that's probably confidential, fair enough.

What cam's. I didn't see any cam's. No would be the answer.

[Moooools]

Keen on ordering some pistons in now?

[F5 Dave]

Isn't there some rule about that sort of thing with "real" race bikes? It probably wouldn't hurt to encourage 4-stroke riders to put something in place. We could start with FXR riders. It may also be advantagious to have some sort of scatter shield or blanket like on drag race transmissions. Could be a use for old bullet-proof vests. I'd personally prefer to see something in 1/4" plate surrounding the bottom end and possibly filled with concrete.
Fairly strong words considering your Avatar. . .

[kel]

Interesting checking out the cams in the background of the photos. Ramps have been steepened and max lift increased but not too excessive looking at them. Any chance of seeing a plot of lift versus crank position for stock and "race" cams? I know that's probably confidential, fair enough.

The ramps aren't nearly as aggressive as I expected, clearly my cams are far to wild on the exhaust.
Whats really suprising in the photos is the standard old dished piston (at least whats left of one), expected to see a nice high compression number in there.
Rich could you turn the cylinder so we could have a shot of the intake port? And over so we can see the combustion chamber. Cheers.

[Moooools]

I thnk it is one of them shoddy Thai pistons. Made in the same factory as sweet chill sauce.

[richban]

I thnk it is one of them shoddy Thai pistons. Made in the same factory as sweet chill sauce.


Yep. Machined to destruction. As far as more photo's that would just be wrong. Its a secret from now on. Everyone is getting to fast. I need any advantage I can get. No sharing and caring here. Its pure competitive bastard from now on. :Punk:

[crazy man]

Yep. Machined to destruction. As far as more photo's that would just be wrong. Its a secret from now on. Everyone is getting to fast. I need any advantage I can get. No sharing and caring here. Its pure competitive bastard from now on. :Punk:no need to worry about me my body is stuffed but will try to get out for some fun one day

[marktd]

long live 2 strokes

[Yow Ling]

Looks like the reverse engineering dept is working overtime tonight

[gav]

So how long did that piston last? Thought you mentioned that you had been using that piston for while now?

[richban]

So how long did that piston last? Thought you mentioned that you had been using that piston for while now?

1 x BOB 1 x GP about 5 wellington rounds and half a north island round. Left unmolested I am sure it would last as long as the other one I have. That one has lasted about 2 years of racing. Valve pockets were to deep maybe. It also could have been the lightened pin. We will never know. The piston was an akunar but it was the 15mm pin X version not the super cheap 16mm standard ones. Anyway onwards and upwards. Lets not dwell on the past.

[F5 Dave]

I thnk it is one of them shoddy Thai pistons. Made in the same factory as sweet chill sauce.- -You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to Moooools again.- -
:laugh::laugh::laugh:

[F5 Dave]

. . . Lets not dwell on the past.
Yeah, that dumb history.
No lessons to be learned there.

[Buckets4Me]

Fairly strong words considering your Avatar. . .

ye but he kept most of it in the exaust :niceone:

[Buckets4Me]

Yep. Machined to destruction. As far as more photo's that would just be wrong. Its a secret from now on. Everyone is getting to fast. I need any advantage I can get. No sharing and caring here. Its pure competitive bastard from now on. :Punk:

the winning bike had no problems sharing :eek: or winning :first::first::first:

[kel]

or winning :first::first::first:

No need to rub it in here. Rich's analysis of the weekend "at least I wasnt beaten by a girl" is valid. Take your gloating back to your own thread :lol:

[speedpro]

Rich could have been up for a "Halberg" after not being beaten, by a girl.

[richban]

No need to rub it in here. Rich's analysis of the weekend "at least I wasnt beaten by a girl" is valid. Take your gloating back to your own thread :lol:

Give them there time in the gloat corner.

It was domination for sure.

I would have been beaten like everyone else.

But don't forget Andrew and Gavin were riding commuter bikes giving away maybe 50kg and a good of deal handling. Think of that in buckets of paint to get your head around it. And Avalon was on fire for sure. The game is raised. I know for a fact that we will raise it more. Thats how the story goes. And so on and so on. Got to love buckets for that simple fact.

[Bert]

Give them there time in the gloat corner.

It was domination for sure........ The game is raised. I know for a fact that we will raise it more. Thats how the story goes. And so on and so on. Got to love buckets for that simple fact.

Superbuckets much better class than those silly superbikes...:niceone:

[husaberg]

1 x BOB 1 x GP about 5 wellington rounds and half a north island round. Left unmolested I am sure it would last as long as the other one I have. That one has lasted about 2 years of racing. Valve pockets were to deep maybe. It also could have been the lightened pin. We will never know. The piston was an akunar but it was the 15mm pin X version not the super cheap 16mm standard ones. Anyway onwards and upwards. Lets not dwell on the past.

There is always time to Dwell other wise history has a habit of repeating I blame Murphy myself.

All bad puns aside.
I posted this in response to the idea of someone order a batch of Ross pistons sure they would be the ducks Guts but i seen these while looking for something for Kickaha (No it was not valves either as he orders his by the KG)

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257229
They come in a size range from 58.5 to 63mm with 15mm pins and are forged.
available in 2 and four valve I can't comment on quality but the price is a lot less than a Ross as well

http://jvtscooters.com/component/search/?searchword=4+valve+piston&searchphrase=all&start=80

[richban]

There is always time to Dwell other wise history has a habit of repeating I blame Murphy myself.

All bad puns aside.
I posted this in response to the idea of someone order a batch of Ross pistons sure they would be the ducks Guts but i seen these while looking for something for Kickaha (No it was not valves either as he orders his by the KG)

257229They come in a size range from 58.5 to 63mm with 15mm pins and are forged.
available in 2 and four valve I can't comment on quality but the price is a lot less than a Ross as well

http://jvtscooters.com/component/search/?searchword=4+valve+piston&searchphrase=all&start=80



To much wrongness for an FXR. Won't work.

Dwelling is never well over really. Lets call in development.

[Duke Stealth]

There is always time to Dwell other wise history has a habit of repeating I blame Murphy myself.


You shouldnae be blamin' Murphy, rumor had it 'twas some other bloke with the same name, to be sure.

Can you please get in contact with me Richban?

[speedpro]

Why? Are you a scrap metal dealer?

[Buckets4Me]

Give them there time in the gloat corner.

It was domination for sure.


we needed to get the bike out to a good track and have a trouble free day. After the last Taupo ttrs where it sucket water in threw the carb and the bob before that where the engine fell out.
MtWellington she finished :third: i think. I's just to hard to get it past 20 other fast buckets all pushing and shoving (specialy when you have other races you need to get to without being or hurt broken)

it just all came together :niceone: (and fell apart for others)

thats racing

[richban]

It was the pin. Sent it to Bro and someone he knows X-rayed it. It had a casting imperfection running through it. Lighting it didn't help but it would have let go anyway. Bad luck really. Also vales are toast. ch ching ch ching.:weep:

[kel]

But the spare is in and running so you'll be up for TePuke?
Its probably about now someone should start one of those "so whos going" threads

[Yow Ling]

Was it Suzuki or Tkrj ? or akunar?

[richban]

Was it Suzuki or Tkrj ? or akunar?

Mr Akunar ...

[richban]

Would love to but no cash and its a long way.

[kel]

Would love to but no cash and its a long way.

I hear you. The Wellington round falls under the same category for me, its a shame as I hear its a fantastic track but the budget can only stretch so far.

[crazy man]

It was the pin. Sent it to Bro and someone he knows X-rayed it. It had a casting imperfection running through it. Lighting it didn't help but it would have let go anyway. Bad luck really. Also vales are toast. ch ching ch ching.:weep:how would you know that? the way it would of been spacked around it would of put fracture's all through it!?

[richban]

how would you know that?

Super powers.

[crazy man]

Super powers.bugger ! dont blow up my engine with your powers or you will have to wait another 10 years to see me out there lol

[Bert]

Bugger :shit: :no: :bleh: should get a two stroke :niceone:
My money is still on the pin; but i guess no one will ever know.



It was the pin. Sent it to Bro and someone he knows X-rayed it. It had a casting imperfection running through it. Lighting it didn't help but it would have let go anyway. Bad luck really. .......:weep:

Bugger me; should have put a side bet on that.. Bad luck Rich it seems to be the little bits the bite.
I Can't say I've ever seen a pin let go before (but I can tick that one of my "Bucket list" now)..

well it gave the excuse to build it bigger and better.

[speedpro]

well it gave the excuse to build it bigger and better.

Bigger? He'll end up with a stack of washers if he bores it out again.

[richban]

Bigger? He'll end up with a stack of washers if he bores it out again.

Now stop that you.

[richban]

Time to bring out the big guns.

[husaberg]

Time to bring out the big guns.

Was is it part of a quartet or a solo?

[timg]

Time to bring out the big guns.
Oooh bling bling $$ :drool:

[richban]

Was is it part of a quartet or a solo?

Solo.

Looking forward to trying it out. Should work good. Just got to sort a manifold and we are cooking.

[timg]

Was is it part of a quartet or a solo? Brand spanking new single from Sudco in the States if I guess right :oi-grr: Just in time for a serious attack on the F4 GP :banana: Look forward to seeing how it goes. I have a 32mm FCR from a CRF150 to try on my FXR.

[richban]

Brand spanking new single from Sudco in the States if I guess right :oi-grr: Just in time for a serious attack on the F4 GP :banana: Look forward to seeing how it goes. I have a 32mm FCR from a CRF150 to try on my FXR.

Yes the bank is broken. Ebay. This should give a nice straight line to the port. Also like how adjustable they are with the screw in spigot. Should be able to tune the intake length to perfection.

I never tried my 32 CRF carb. Be interested in how you go.

[Pumba]

Time to bring out the big guns.

Fuck I seriously just popped a we woody in my pants. That thing is fucking porn, no seriously, based on the sounds I made the Mrs asked if I was looking at XXX sites

[crazy man]

Time to bring out the big guns.bugger and l only have the 30 dollar chinese job

[richban]

Fuck I seriously just popped a we woody in my pants. That thing is fucking porn, no seriously, based on the sounds I made the Mrs asked if I was looking at XXX sites

Funny shit.

[richban]

bugger and l only have the 30 dollar chinese job

Well lets just hope it performs better than the $100 old faithful.

[husaberg]

Fuck I seriously just popped a we woody in my pants. That thing is fucking porn, no seriously, based on the sounds I made the Mrs asked if I was looking at XXX sites


Funny shit.

Not if your Mrs Pumba. (Jess?)

http://www.meds4all.co.uk/images/impotence-treatment-uk.jpg

Sorry Pumba For the small quip at your expense.But I couldn't resist.
Also and err...sorry to Mrs Pumba as well i guess?

It must be hard for you too.

[Pumba]

Not if your Mrs Pumba. (Jess?)

Sorry Pumba For the small quip at your expense.But I couldn't resist.
Also and err...sorry to Mrs Pumba as well i guess?

It must be hard for you too.

Hmmm, I recognise that look. It is normally the one I get when I head downstairs to do a 5min job on the bike (you should see the one I get when I emerge 2hrs later).

I will give the comments regarding my sexual performance a bit of space, as I am not one to kiss and tell:cool:

Dont worry Husa, I am a big boy, wide shoulder (ask anyone on here) I can take it, I am not going to run off crying (well not in public anyway)

[Henk]

I can take it, I am not going to run off crying (well not in public anyway)

hmm
7654321 post

[husaberg]

OK ..............:whistle:

OK on with the MR Bang Show
This it is hardly helping Rich in his goal to turn every available FXR150 into recycled fry-pans, Now is it.
Was there anymore FCR32 downdraft carbs on Ebay rich

[richban]

Well I plugged the new FCR in and it works. On the old motor, new one still in progress. Never really played with a pumper before like this. It sure chucks a lot of gas down the hole super soaker style. Will try sort the main jet tomorrow. Must say they are a great carb to work on. Needle changes are a breeze also main jet is easy. Wish I had a dyno.

[husaberg]

Well I plugged the new FCR in and it works. On the old motor, new one still in progress. Never really played with a pumper before like this. It sure chucks a lot of gas down the hole super soaker style. Will try sort the main jet tomorrow. Must say they are a great carb to work on. Needle changes are a breeze also main jet is easy. Wish I had a dyno.

There is a lot of adjust-ability able to be built into that too Rich. The aftermarket was real busy there with the dirt guys.
I am guessing the detail stuff will be able to cross over (with a little jiggling) i will add what i mean later.

[richban]

There is a lot of adjust-ability able to be built into that too Rich. The aftermarket was real busy there with the dirt guys.
I am guessing the detail stuff will be able to cross over (with a little jiggling) i will add what i mean later.

Yep the adjustable slow air jet is great.

[husaberg]

Yep the adjustable slow air jet is great.
That too but the AP volume can be dialed as well with a leak jet mod. well it can on the dirty ones anyway. The aftermaket mods include an adjustable one, but just changing the jet should suffice.

Most of the basic stuff is here.
http://www.thumperfaq.com/ap.htm#Leak

[F5 Dave]

Yeah I had FCRs on my 750SP. Great throttle response
+ easy cold starting, just pump the throttle a couple of times.

[richban]

Well the new engine rebuild is not going to be finished in time. Bugger

So its old faithful to run at track 2 again. Funny never had the fast engine on that track. Really pissed of but out of my control, never mind. Will have to ride the wheels of it to stay in the top 10 me thinks.

So, repacked exhaust, build a proper airbox, dialed the intake to exact proper length, Just need to do a plug chop at the track and we are ready.

Rebuild will have its first outing at easter.

[F5 Dave]

oh well, good luck & hope it all pans out ok. May even be ok weather sun arvo.

[richban]

oh well, good luck & hope it all pans out ok. May even be ok weather sun arvo.


Crank is cracked. Bugger. Won't be ready for a little while now. Crank expensive.

[dangerous]

Well I striped most of the engine today. Looks like the piston gave up. Or it could have been the pin.

not bad Rich, coulda done beter tho... mine from Taupo 261366261367 reckon these things are over rated LOL, at least ya expect it from a stroker :facepalm:

[crazy man]

not bad Rich, coulda done beter tho... mine from Taupo 261366261367 reckon these things are over rated LOL, at least ya expect it from a stroker :facepalm:nice job! you could make a trouphy from that lol

[richban]

not bad Rich, coulda done beter tho... mine from Taupo 261366261367 reckon these things are over rated LOL, at least ya expect it from a stroker :facepalm:

Oh dear. There seams to be some sort of plague at the moment. Soon may it end.

[TZ350]

Thats impressive .....


reckon these things are over rated LOL,

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at least ya expect it from a stroker :facepalm:

Our strokers have been troublesome but not expensive.

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My first blow up cost a piston but after a hone I was able to re use the cylinder.

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This one, well I freed the ring, cleaned the piston up, put it back together using all the old parts and started it up tonight no problems.

I will get to see how it goes on the dyno tomorrow night. It might be down on power a little but hey, it was a cheap fix.

[richban]

Thats impressive .....



Our strokers have been troublesome but not expensive. My first blow up cost a piston but after a hone I was able to re use the cylinder.

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This one, well I freed the ring, cleaned the piston up, put it back together using all the old parts and started it up tonight no problems.

I will get to see how it goes on the dyno tomorrow night. It might be down on power a little but hey, it was a cheap fix.


Yes well little bit jealous of that fact. I can't count the times a ceased my old 50 only to let it cool down and ride away.

[dangerous]

nice job! you could make a trouphy from that lol
ohh yeah add it to my colection of racing and theres a decent trouphy all right, heres just two others 350LC and CB125T... list does go on

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nothing what so ever to do with my engineering skills either...

[husaberg]

ohh yeah add it to my colection of racing and theres a decent trouphy all right, heres just two others 350LC and CB125T... list does go on

.
261386

Whats the story with this blow up it looks like an odd one?


261387

The four stroke one kind of looks like Warwick borrowed it from you:Oops:

[TZ350]

A good read on piston rings:- http://americanmusclecarsaustralia.com/forum/viewthread.php?tid=2627

[timg]

ohh yeah add it to my colection of racing and theres a decent trouphy all right, heres just two others 350LC and CB125T... list does go on

261386261387

nothing what so ever to do with my engineering skills either...

Anybody ever tell ya you're tough on yer gear :facepalm:

[dangerous]

Whats the story with this blow up it looks like an odd one?

The four stroke one kind of looks like Warwick borrowed it from you:Oops:

LOL... sorry Rich, not meaning to steel ya thunder

The 350lc was a greymouth effort out of the hairpin wack the taps wide open then lock up, no warning no noise and never really worked out why, bigend had got rather hot before ka boom so thinking it was a bit worn out down there, or thinking about it I remember a partly blocked jet.

Funny you should mention Warwick, IIRC I was on his ares when it droped a valve, Im thinking he was worried I was about to swing on past him so he did some kinda voo doo mo me... tell ya what tho. finished the race and it was still running back in the pits, only Honda aye :woohoo:

[richban]

After many moons and a few dollars it lives again. Better faster stronger.

[hmurphy]

Dear God it looks like Frankenstein with all those welds around the engine. Good job.

[richban]

Dear God it looks like Frankenstein with all those welds around the engine. Good job.

No welds. Just corrosion. She aint pretty but she will kick some ass.

[hmurphy]

Ahhh I see. I was wondering who could have pulled off welds on that shitty cast stuff. You're right it will kick some ass, but not all.

[husaberg]

After many moons and a few dollars it lives again. Better faster stronger.

FCR's are a dead sexy piece of kit:D

[Bert]

After many moons and a few dollars it lives again. Better faster stronger.

Nice work Rich; maybe a round 4 run at minefield to tune her up???
I'm sure Skunk will let a few out with Streetstocks if we ask nicely....

[richban]

FCR's are a dead sexy piece of kit:D

Yep they are for sure. A little tricky to tune but they talk to you in a predictable way.

[richban]

Nice work Rich; maybe a round 4 run at minefield to tune her up???
I'm sure Skunk will let a few out with Streetstocks if we ask nicely....

Yeah that would be good fun. Last time was a blast. Will just have to finish the frame in time.

[koba]

Just corrosion.

That's not an aftermarket feature on a Suzuki...