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motordrummer

9th February 2012, 13:28

Silly me, i thought it would be easy. So i'm nearing the end of a 3month suspension for exceeding a 100 demerits. I contacted the powers that be to find out how i can get it back...they destroyed it, now i have to reapply. The problem is that was my only photo ID apart from an expired passport. I now have to pay for the right to use other ID ($24) with various documents, then apply again to get a new licence ($66)...surely such a short suspension shouldnt warrent a completely new licence...has this always been this way? I could update my passport but that takes 6-8weeks and im due to ride again in 3. So i guess i have no choice but to pay the extra fee's and roll over. Just wondering if any other members have had this problem? Also warning others to make sure they have current photo ID should they find themselves in a similar sitaution, cheers.

ynot slow

9th February 2012, 15:39

Passports take 3-7 days usually,or grab a 18+ card from liqour outlets it has photo on it.

p.dath

9th February 2012, 16:13

GingerMidget

9th February 2012, 16:33

When did your passport expire?

if its within two years, head to a VTNZ because they will accept it.

18+ is not an acceptable form of ID, and if your passport is more than two years expired, bring your original birth certificate along as well. Whoever told you there is an extra charge for using other ID is talking bollocks.

The only Id you can present is either a licence, full original NZ birth certificate ( and cards with accompanying signature) and you must take proof of address with an issue date. You registration reminder letter is not acceptable as it has a due date, not an issue date.

If you get stuck, PM me and I'll see if I can help.

motordrummer

9th February 2012, 16:59

passport (british) expired 4yrs ago- 18+ card not accepted according to them, but cheers for comments:)

motordrummer

9th February 2012, 17:03

Also i just got the form to apply for an exemption from the whole photo ID thing, $27 not $24 but it takes 20days to process-right about the time my suspension is up, hmmm wot to do?

bikaholic

9th February 2012, 17:06

FJRider

9th February 2012, 17:14

Three months after the loss of licence, you inquire about these things ... ??? <_<

motordrummer

9th February 2012, 17:59

Three months after the loss of licence, you inquire about these things ... ??? <_<

Well partly because i thought it was just a matter of fronting up at the local station and getting it back...i enquired at the 2month period just to check it out. Didnt think it was going to be this difficult, that's all.

FJRider

9th February 2012, 18:04

Well partly because i thought it was just a matter of fronting up at the local station and getting it back...i enquired at the 2month period just to check it out. Didnt think it was going to be this difficult, that's all.

Didn't ask the right questions eh ...

Just be glad it wasn't lost for 12 months and one day ... A complete and total start from scratch licence process ...

The Singing Chef

9th February 2012, 18:48

Lost my license for a month and they destroyed it then as well, but because I am such a sweet talking mo'fo they sent out a new one for free. :first:

Use manners :msn-wink:

motordrummer

9th February 2012, 21:10

Ok thanks all for your info/comments- reckon i'll just ring them back to confirm a few things, hopefully it will be sorted soon. Cheers aye.

FJRider

9th February 2012, 21:16

Yes I have heard elsewhere that confiscated licences are being destroyed the purpose being to make it more cunty than necessary to get a valid licence back.:tugger: just as the disqualification of a year and one day = resit.

Close .... no storage costs (and less paper-work) for the old licences, and renewal costs are paid for by you ... not them.

Win win for them ...

Gremlin

9th February 2012, 22:00

onearmedbandit

9th February 2012, 22:06

Last time they took mine, I told them I had lost it. When it was time to get it back, I rang them and said I'd found it.

GingerMidget

9th February 2012, 22:11

Yes I have heard elsewhere that confiscated licences are being destroyed the purpose being to make it more cunty than necessary to get a valid licence back.:tugger: just as the disqualification of a year and one day = resit.

You heard?

Someone with a small brain has a big mouth.

The licences are destroyed because they are cancelled on the spot. THat particular card no longer has any use to anyone, so therefore destroying it is the most sensible option. Notice the version numbers will be different?

Its not to 'be cunty' as you so charmingly put it, its a fraud protection measure. If you lose your licence for a year and one day, and have to resit the theory maybe its a good thing, because to lose it for that long, clearly you don't know the road rules anyway.

this isn't a direct attack at you, this is in response to everyone whinging like that.

bikaholic

9th February 2012, 23:02

You heard?

Someone with a small brain has a big mouth.

The licences are destroyed because they are cancelled on the spot. THat particular card no longer has any use to anyone, so therefore destroying it is the most sensible option. Notice the version numbers will be different?

Its not to 'be cunty' as you so charmingly put it, its a fraud protection measure. If you lose your licence for a year and one day, and have to resit the theory maybe its a good thing, because to lose it for that long, clearly you don't know the road rules anyway.

this isn't a direct attack at you, this is in response to everyone whinging like that. Yes, heard is when words pass from ones mouth to another ears. This small brain big mouthed individual is a cop, so you are right, oink oink.

motordrummer

10th February 2012, 07:42

Last time they took mine, I told them I had lost it. When it was time to get it back, I rang them and said I'd found it.

So when you said you lost it, was that when you were supposed to surrender it?

scracha

10th February 2012, 07:43

When did your passport expire?

The only Id you can present is either a licence, full original NZ birth certificate ( and cards with accompanying signature) and you must take proof of address with an issue date. You registration reminder letter is not acceptable as it has a due date, not an issue date.

Is a birth certificate from a civilised country also acceptable?

sinfull

10th February 2012, 08:00

Just had to re-apply for mine after a 3 month suspension !

This has only been the case for the last year or so, prior to that it was just start riding again after the 3 month suspension !

Lucky i'm an old hoarder and have a full birth certificate tucked away with my expired passport, though there aint no photo on said certificate,
With that and a power bill to show my address , Oh and a medical certificate seeing i am a higher class of person (think the eye test is easier at the doctor too, seeing he had to leave the room to get the right forms hehe) i rolled down to the AA and paid the machine

Then it was just a matter of making sure i looked as pretty as ever, with my hair tidy in place for the birdy shot.
And walk away with the paper temorary licence

davereid

10th February 2012, 09:15

Then it was just a matter of making sure i looked as pretty as ever, with my hair tidy in place for the birdy shot.
And walk away with the paper temorary licence

So they wanted a new photo ? was your old licence ten years old ? hmm.

motordrummer

10th February 2012, 10:06

Just talked to nzta again and got better information. They are even going to waver the fee...just need to get a recent photo, birth certificate and official proof of address and send it off. i also included a cover letter asking them to kindly fast track the process so i can ride on the due date in 3 weeks. i'd like to thank everyone for their comments/opinions on this matter. The info really helped me to ask the right questions and get the right response, so cheers to all the KB's for that!

sinfull

10th February 2012, 12:35

So they wanted a new photo ? was your old licence ten years old ? hmm.

Yep new photo ! licence wasn't due till 2015

baffa

10th February 2012, 13:26

Seems a little excessive.
When I lost my license due to demerits (conspiracy I tell ya)
They didnt charge me anything after 3 months. I did have to ring them up and harrass them to ensure I got it back.
I started driving the day the 3 months was up, but didnt get my license back for another week or so.

GingerMidget

10th February 2012, 17:21

Is a birth certificate from a civilised country also acceptable?

I know this countries are, but I can't say on others sorry. Citizenship docs are also suitable.

Useless fact ( to you anyway)

double check ALL court documents for correct dates and name spellings. I'm not going to put up with being abused and yelled at because some court muppet spelled your name wrong, and you couldn't be bothered getting them to correct it. rant/

tigertim20

10th February 2012, 18:19

It's always been that way from what I remember - even when the "lifetime" paper licences were used.

ps. You can often get a photo "Visa" or debit card as well. I have a photo on my Visa. Though it might defer in person credit card fraud if it got stolen ...
not the way I remember it. you had to send your licence in to them, or they would come and collect it. when it was returned, everything on it was the same, there was no cost, you just got it back. all your numbers and details were the same such as your DL number

Passports take 3-7 days usually,or grab a 18+ card from liqour outlets it has photo on it.
yes, but to get a passport in 3 days, youre looking at $400+. standard turnaround is 10 days, however, if you make even the tiniest mistake, they contact you to say you did something wrong, then you have to start all over again

Silly me, i thought it would be easy. So i'm nearing the end of a 3month suspension for exceeding a 100 demerits. I contacted the powers that be to find out how i can get it back...they destroyed it, now i have to reapply. The problem is that was my only photo ID apart from an expired passport. I now have to pay for the right to use other ID ($24) with various documents, then apply again to get a new licence ($66)...surely such a short suspension shouldnt warrent a completely new licence...has this always been this way? I could update my passport but that takes 6-8weeks and im due to ride again in 3. So i guess i have no choice but to pay the extra fee's and roll over. Just wondering if any other members have had this problem? Also warning others to make sure they have current photo ID should they find themselves in a similar sitaution, cheers.

Yeah it sucks, if you lose your licence, fine, the punishment for being naughty with a vehicle is not being allowed to drive one. used to be that they would collect your licence when the suspension began, and posted it out to you when it was over - no cost.

Now it seems you are punished twice, once by getting the suspension (fair enough) and a second time with all the expense and hassle of geting a new one done, which requires all kinds of paperwork and shit, plus going in during work hours to get it done etc.
I cannot see a reason to change it to how they do it now, other than to unnecessarily punish you a second time.

tigertim20

10th February 2012, 18:23

Its not to 'be cunty' as you so charmingly put it, its a fraud protection measure. [/SIZE]

Bullshit.

If you have no licence and youre pulled over by a cop, he will run your details, even if you had your suspended licence on you he will know immediately that you should not be driving.

the new DL number is entirely unnecessary - the chances of a suspended licence being used fraudulently are no greater than the chance of a legitimate, active licence being used fraudulently.

DMNTD

10th February 2012, 18:27

Have lost mine twice due to demerits and simply say neh when asked for it.
The guys were bailiffs and simply made notes and left....no stress

DMNTD

10th February 2012, 18:29

[QUOTE=GingerMidget;1130254967]
The licences are destroyed because they are cancelled on the spot. THat particular card no longer has any use to anyone, so therefore destroying it is the most sensible option. Notice the version numbers will be different?

Its not to 'be cunty' as you so charmingly put it, its a fraud protection measure. If you lose your licence for a year and one day, and have to resit the theory maybe its a good thing, because to lose it for that long, clearly you don't know the road rules anyway.

Bollix...they are suspended, not cancelled and if they have issues with them being used for fraudulent measures then maybe they need to look at themselves eh?

GingerMidget

10th February 2012, 18:59

Bullshit.

If you have no licence and youre pulled over by a cop, he will run your details, even if you had your suspended licence on you he will know immediately that you should not be driving.

the new DL number is entirely unnecessary - the chances of a suspended licence being used fraudulently are no greater than the chance of a legitimate, active licence being used fraudulently.

Its not a new drivers licence number. its the card version number. Your individual licence number stays the same for life.

GingerMidget

10th February 2012, 19:01

DMNTD

10th February 2012, 19:04

[QUOTE=DMNTD;1130255564]

Do you do driver licencing for a living? obviously not. The particular licence card is cancelled, so its as useful as your post. Your status as a licenced driver is suspended. Make sense now?

Of course not, I have a decent job thanks :niceone:
If the license is cancelled, then why oh why is the license that I am currently holding ok and not ummm cancelled??

bikaholic

10th February 2012, 19:17

You heard?

Someone with a small brain has a big mouth.

The licences are destroyed because they are cancelled on the spot. THat particular card no longer has any use to anyone, so therefore destroying it is the most sensible option. Notice the version numbers will be different?

Its not to 'be cunty' as you so charmingly put it, its a fraud protection measure. If you lose your licence for a year and one day, and have to resit the theory maybe its a good thing, because to lose it for that long, clearly you don't know the road rules anyway.

this isn't a direct attack at you, this is in response to everyone whinging like that. So at which stage after having my licence cancelled would I clearly not know the road rules, after midnight at 1 year total erase?
If i admitted to driving while disqualified I wouldn't be required to resit, as I clearly would not have forgotten the road rules, correct ?

FJRider

10th February 2012, 19:23

... i also included a cover letter asking them to kindly fast track the process so i can ride on the due date in 3 weeks. i'd like to thank everyone for their comments/opinions on this matter. The info really helped me to ask the right questions and get the right response, so cheers to all the KB's for that!

Unless they changed the rules (may well of done) :scratch:

An application for the "return" of your licence may not happen (ie:return processed) UNTILL ... The 3 months loss of licence is served. :shifty: :wait:

Good luck getting it sooner ... :drinknsin :yes:

The link ...

http://www.nzta.govt.nz/resources/factsheets/55/driving-offences.html

from the act ...

Reinstating your licence
At the end of your disqualification or suspension (other than 28-day roadside suspensions) you will remain unlicensed and are not entitled to drive until you have applied at a driver licensing agent to have your licence reinstated and a new licence has been issued. Any licence card held by you at the time of your suspension or disqualification will have been permanently cancelled.

You will need to visit an NZTA driver licensing agent and apply to have your licence reinstated. You will need to:

complete an Application for reissue of driver licence form (DL7)
provide acceptable evidence of identity and evidence of address (see factsheet 20 Identification for driver licensing)
prove your eyesight meets the required standard
have your image and signature captured
pay the reinstatement fee of $66.40.

tigertim20

10th February 2012, 19:45

Have lost mine twice due to demerits and simply say neh when asked for it.
The guys were bailiffs and simply made notes and left....no stress

that has changed. under the current regime, you can be fined up to $1000 for not turning the licence over to them

[QUOTE=GingerMidget;1130254967]
The licences are destroyed because they are cancelled on the spot. THat particular card no longer has any use to anyone, so therefore destroying it is the most sensible option. Notice the version numbers will be different?

Its not to 'be cunty' as you so charmingly put it, its a fraud protection measure. If you lose your licence for a year and one day, and have to resit the theory maybe its a good thing, because to lose it for that long, clearly you don't know the road rules anyway.

Bollix...they are suspended, not cancelled and if they have issues with them being used for fraudulent measures then maybe they need to look at themselves eh?
Bullshit. if they were suspended, they would simply be held aside and returned later, however, now they are CANCELLED and a NEW LICENCE with e NEW VERSION NUMBER is issued IN PLACE OF your old licence. you can state the legal wording all you like, the reality is that it is CANCELLED.

Its not a new drivers licence number. its the card version number. Your individual licence number stays the same for life.
meh, same difference, my point was that the old licence becomes worthless and unusable

JMemonic

10th February 2012, 22:10

You should renew your passport regardless. Leave it for more than 5 years I think, and you have to provide a whole lot more paperwork (bearing in mind kiwi passports are only 5 years... british are 10).

Not any more international convention seems to be five years, bastards are just out to make money.

Gremlin

10th February 2012, 23:37

Not any more international convention seems to be five years, bastards are just out to make money.
British is still 10 years: http://uk.gov-passport.org/uk-passports-faqs

But it costs quite a bit more than a Kiwi one for example. The real pisser is that if you're travelling, it has to be valid for 6 months after finish of travel... so when it's only 5 years, you don't even get 5 years :mellow:

davereid

12th February 2012, 18:05

Not any more international convention seems to be five years, bastards are just out to make money.

No, its the facial recognition software.

It creates an "index number" based on your facial shape, much like a fingerprint.

It allows comparison of individuals across multiple databases without breaking privacy laws, which may restrict sharing of the actual image.

But, unlike fingerprints your face changes shape. So the image needs constant updating. Thats why your passport, IGOVT photo etc need to be updated all the time.

JMemonic

12th February 2012, 22:15

No, its the facial recognition software.

It creates an "index number" based on your facial shape, much like a fingerprint.

It allows comparison of individuals across multiple databases without breaking privacy laws, which may restrict sharing of the actual image.

But, unlike fingerprints your face changes shape. So the image needs constant updating. Thats why your passport, IGOVT photo etc need to be updated all the time.

I reckon that's just a smoke screen and it really cause the bastards are just out to make more money, however what you say make sense.

jimichelle

13th February 2012, 07:41

It's always been that way from what I remember - even when the "lifetime" paper licences were used.

ps. You can often get a photo "Visa" or debit card as well. I have a photo on my Visa. Though it might defer in person credit card fraud if it got stolen ...
my wife has a visa card with her photo on it i can do evrything with it except hire a car!
thats including going into the bank asking for a balance so i can pay it off

and no we dont look alike :)