You Are Fat And A Burden On The Health System

[superman]

http://humorpig.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/fat-chick-motorcycle1.jpg

Where's the anti-obesity campaigns similar to the anti-smoking campaigns we see?

"When it comes to calculating the cost of obesity-related illness, we don't have any up-to-date figures but the World Health Organisation estimates the cost to be 7 per cent of a country's health budget.That's a cool $300 million, or thereabouts."

$300 million a year? For gluttonous buffoons?

Someone should really lobby for a fat tax...

A 2008/09 New Zealand Adult Nutrition Survey found that:

one in three adults were overweight (37.0%) and one in four were obese (27.8%).
(I'd hope a nutrition survey isn't stupid enough to only use BMI's)

So how do we solve yet another money-sharing issue? Seeing as supposedly 64.8% of us are either overweight or obese. Fat tax? Healthy school lunches? Nutrition classes? Or let it be... and let the joys of natural selection take its course? Non-communal health insurance? Or continue to have the entire population subsidise obesity-related costs for those who don't have enough will-power to fight their food addictions? Try and get everyone to grow their own veges/fruit?

So tell your hubby, wifey and mates that they're fatties (in a nice way if you want) because apparently it's the easiest way to improve an entire countries health and well being.

To compare ourselves to other nations (according to a Forbe's list) we are 17th in the world for our rate of 'overfedness', with places like the UK at 28th, Germany 43rd, U.S.A 9th, Sweden 90th.

[tigertim20]

pretty sure they use a BMI to calculate it.
my idea, and your idea of a healthy size might be quite different, but equally safe and healthy

[Big Dave]

Max! Sit on him.

[BMWST?]

Where's the anti-obesity campaigns similar to the anti-smoking campaigns we see?


$300 million a year? For gluttonous buffoons?



be careful....whats the difference between gluttonous buffoons and temporary kiwis.......

[Kickaha]

pretty sure they use a BMI to calculate it.

BMI is a shit way of doing it, it was pointed out some time ago it is cheaper long term to provide gastric bypass than provide health care for the obese further down the track

[neels]

BMI is a shit way of doing it, it was pointed out some time ago it is cheaper long term to provide gastric bypass than provide health care for the obese further down the trackBe even cheaper just to wire the greedy bastard's jaws shut.

[superman]

BMI is a shit way of doing it, it was pointed out some time ago it is cheaper long term to provide gastric bypass than provide health care for the obese further down the track

Agreed BMI is far too simplistic, to truly get a grasp on a populations percentage of 'fat harbouring' you'd have to dunk a good sample into pools. But even then some people have no health problems holding more body fat and can be linked to genetic traits. Though I'm sure they'd be an absolute minority to the number of overweight and obese.

Cost-effect analysis are great aren't they... does the average obese person give more worth to an economy than they take out? I wonder...

[tigertim20]

BMI is a shit way of doing it, it was pointed out some time ago it is cheaper long term to provide gastric bypass than provide health care for the obese further down the track

it sure is shit.

A person who was, until recently, a friend had the surgery. lost 50kgs. most of it is back on again now. its been about 2 years I think?. His diet basically never changed. the volumes did, but not the content.
So now thats thousands down the drain for surgery, follow=ups, personal trainers he wont go to see etc etc, and we are back at square one.
The surgery means fuckall unless you are prepared to DO something about it, and frankly, if youre genuinely prepared to DO something about it, you wouldnt need the surgery.

So we're fucked either way.

[GingerMidget]

BMI is a crock of shit. For me, my BMI puts me as overweight. Those that know me, will laugh at that idea. I'm not called midget for nothing!

Fat tax. Make the bad shit expensive, and cut the gst on unprocessed foods, and fruit/veges.

I know I'd eat better if it was cheaper.

[Virago]

be careful....whats the difference between gluttonous buffoons and temporary kiwis.......

Ed Zachary. All risk is relative, and it is too easy to judge others while being blind to hypocrisy.

By the way, bad photoshop job on the photo...

http://regretfulmorning.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/fat-girl-motorcycle.jpeg

[superman]

Fat tax. Make the bad shit expensive, and cut the gst on unprocessed foods, and fruit/veges.

I know I'd eat better if it was cheaper.

That sounds like a cop out phrase 'if it were cheaper'... <_<

Just grow it yourself, by far the cheapest way. People are just lazy, they drive to the dairy when they run out of milk, bread and instantly incur extra costs for just not planning ahead. Shopping efficiently, finding cheap stores rather than an expensive place that has everything. Farmers markets have very decent prices, if you grow your own you can deep freeze and store veges for ages.

Cutting tax on a specific type of food just creates a money pit for bureaucrats and creates all sorts of 'gst exemption' administration costs to businesses. They'd have to work out how many square feet of floor their unprocessed foods and fruit/veges sit on to get exemption, how much electricity is used to light that area, how much fuel is used to transport whatever fraction of their goods are unprocessed, fruit/veges, blah blah blah. WHAT A NIGHTMARE!

[superman]

By the way, bad photoshop job on the photo...

Has more effect though! Would you prefer some exquisite breasts?...

http://photos.imageevent.com/motorbiker/newspics4/Fat-Motorcycle-Biker-01.jpg

[neels]

if you grow your own you can deep freeze and store veges for ages.
There is something very satisfying about growing veges, and a bit of googling will tell you the best way to store them. It's great to grab a bag of pre sliced carrots from the freezer for dinner, knowing that the next lot are growing away in the garden outside.

[GingerMidget]

That sounds like a cop out phrase 'if it were cheaper'... <_<

Just grow it yourself, by far the cheapest way. People are just lazy, they drive to the dairy when they run out of milk, bread and instantly incur extra costs for just not planning ahead. Shopping efficiently, finding cheap stores rather than an expensive place that has everything. Farmers markets have very decent prices, if you grow your own you can deep freeze and store veges for ages.

Cutting tax on a specific type of food just creates a money pit for bureaucrats and creates all sorts of 'gst exemption' administration costs to businesses. They'd have to work out how many square feet of floor their unprocessed foods and fruit/veges sit on to get exemption, how much electricity is used to light that area, how much fuel is used to transport whatever fraction of their goods are unprocessed, fruit/veges, blah blah blah. WHAT A NIGHTMARE!

Grow it myself? I live in the middle of town, in an apartment building. Where exactly do you propse I grow my own vegetables?

As for the other waffle about working shit out, stop thinking about it. If Australia can change taxes on certain foods, why can't we clearly its not as hard as you think it is.

And the other waffle about people being lazy? I work six days a week, train at least 4 of those, and I still find time to make my own bread, yogurt and cook with mostly fresh veges. So please, stop marginalising people based on some flawed views of the world.

[The Lone Rider]

I myself would be keen on tax free veg and fruit

And is there some sort of government system to help people loose weight?

[Bikemad]

eat more curries.............do they suffer obesity problems in India?
im off to eat a giant trumpet and a bag of jetplanes now.............carry on

[The Lone Rider]

eat more curries.............do they suffer obesity problems in India?
im off to eat a giant trumpet and a bag of jetplanes now.............carry on

My mothers account of the last time she was in India was that the men were generally obese, and sat around and ate. The women were expected to clean up and cook, and were allowed to eat whatever left overs there were. The women were skinny.

Her account.

She also commented on the lack of toilets for women.

[superman]

Grow it myself? I live in the middle of town, in an apartment building. Where exactly do you propse I grow my own vegetables?

No balcony?! :shit:

If you were really awesome you could set up a hydroponics garden inside your apartment?

Or start growing at a community garden if you have one in your area. Or just plant at a friends place, I know plenty of people who would jump at the chance if I asked to use a small part of their land to grow veges and give them half of the produce.

[onearmedbandit]

be careful....whats the difference between gluttonous buffoons and temporary kiwis.......

You mean there's permanent ones???

[Clockwork]

Cutting tax on a specific type of food just creates a money pit for bureaucrats and creates all sorts of 'gst exemption' administration costs to businesses. They'd have to work out how many square feet of floor their unprocessed foods and fruit/veges sit on to get exemption, how much electricity is used to light that area, how much fuel is used to transport whatever fraction of their goods are unprocessed, fruit/veges, blah blah blah. WHAT A NIGHTMARE!


From this comment, I don't think you understand how GST works.


No balcony?! :shit:

If you were really awesome you could set up a hydroponics garden inside your apartment?

Or start growing at a community garden if you have one in your area. Or just plant at a friends place, I know plenty of people who would jump at the chance if I asked to use a small part of their land to grow veges and give them half of the produce.

I'm not having a go here Bud but, how old are you? Are you working full-time and running or supporting a household?

All of your suggestions a valid in a simplistic way but there are only 24 Hours in each day and for most of us there simply ins't the time left for this sort of stuff. Particularly if you're single and running your home without assistance or have children that demand a share of your time too.

[nodrog]

Put the fork down fatty.

How come because there are a bunch of weak willed salad dodgers that cant stop eating junk food, everybody wants to put the price of my chips and dip up?

[superman]

From this comment, I don't think you understand how GST works.

If you’re a GST-registered business then you both pay GST on your supplies and collect GST on your sales. What
you end up paying to Inland Revenue is the difference between the two. ERGO if you have GST exempt items, you cannot claim GST credits on any supplies you've used in relation to those goods. Exactly as I said, how on earth do you think GST works?


I'm not having a go here Bud but, how old are you? Are you working full-time and running or supporting a household?

All of your suggestions a valid in a simplistic way but there are only 24 Hours in each day and for most of us there simply ins't the time left for this sort of stuff. Particularly if you're single and running your home without assistance or have children that demand a share of your time too.

:violin:

[Ferkletastic]

BMI isn't very good for working out how overweight an individual is, but it's pretty good for populations. Most people aren't all blacks or midgets.

The gastric band surgery thing amazes me. I can't imagine being so weak willed you can't be trusted with your own stomach.

[nudemetalz]

We should use our "Government Minster of Transport" as a role model for getting healthy.....
Oh, hang on,......

[BoristheBiter]

The gastric band surgery thing amazes me. I can't imagine being so weak willed you can't be trusted with your own stomach.

The one that gets my goat is it's now called a disability if you get too fat and you can get it for free.

[Clockwork]

They'd have to work out how many square feet of floor their unprocessed foods and fruit/veges sit on to get exemption, how much electricity is used to light that area, how much fuel is used to transport whatever fraction of their goods are unprocessed, fruit/veges, blah blah blah. WHAT A NIGHTMARE!


If you’re a GST-registered business then you both pay GST on your supplies and collect GST on your sales. What
you end up paying to Inland Revenue is the difference between the two. ERGO if you have GST exempt items, you cannot claim GST credits on any supplies you've used in relation to those goods. Exactly as I said, how on earth do you think GST works?



:violin:

Well for a start-off floor area calculations have no baring on GST payable or claimable.


As for the rest, I guess I hit the nail on the head, you're a know-nothing kid that has nothing to offer but over simplistic answers to a world full of "grown-up" problems.

Fortunately there is a cure for your arrogance. Time is on your side.

[SMOKEU]

Put a piece of bacon on the end of a stick and get the fat fucks to chase after it while you're riding a motorbike.

[MisterD]

no baring on

It's not quite Hitcher's law (which is specifically that you'll make a stupid gramatical error, as soon as you start posting about poor grammar) but you've demonstrated that there's probably a wider truth, that as soon as you accuse someone of being stupid or ignorant, you'll make a error that makes you look dumb yourself.

It's bearing. :niceone:

[superman]

Well for a start-off floor area calculations have no baring on GST payable or claimable.

What about lighting used for that area you'd need a floor area to work out what percentage of power is used for it. Including percentage of power used when scanning through GST free items at the counter. Amount of cleaning product used in the GST free goods area, maintenance costs for that area of the building cannot have GST claims. Any shelves bought for that area cannot have GST claimed, any sticker labels used in that area cannot be claimed. NIGHTMARE.



As for the rest, I guess I hit the nail on the head, you're a know-nothing kid that has nothing to offer but over simplistic answers to a world full of "grown-up" problems.

Fortunately there is a cure for your arrogance. Time is on your side.

Anyone can choose how much time they devote to any aspect of their life. It is that simple. You just want to overcomplicate the issue, make excuses for your lifestyle choices and avoid responsibility for how you choose to live your life. Perhaps then you're too weak-willed to solve any problems, and perhaps that's why you find it appropriate to insult me on the basis of being younger than you...

[Ferkletastic]

The one that gets my goat is it's now called a disability if you get too fat and you can get it for free.

It is a bit fucked.

Then again, you can get the sickness benefit for being a drug addict. Same diff I guess, cocain vs cake.

[MisterD]

What about lighting used for that area you'd need a floor area to work out what percentage of power is used for it. Including percentage of power used when scanning through GST free items at the counter. Amount of cleaning product used in the GST free goods area, maintenance costs for that area of the building cannot have GST claims. Any shelves bought for that area cannot have GST claimed, any sticker labels used in that area cannot be claimed. NIGHTMARE.

I think you'll find that if you're a GST registered business then you simply get a credit from the IRD for all the GST you pay on transactions with your suppliers, you collect GST on all the taxable sales you make and the difference is what you pay or get refunded.

[Clockwork]

It's not quite Hitcher's law (which is specifically that you'll make a stupid gramatical error, as soon as you start posting about poor grammar) but you've demonstrated that there's probably a wider truth, that as soon as you accuse someone of being stupid or ignorant, you'll make a error that makes you look dumb yourself.

It's bearing. :niceone:


Dude..... a typeo. :shit:


I try harder than most on this site, honest! :bleh:

[Headbanger]

http://humorpig.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/fat-chick-motorcycle1.jpg

Where's the anti-obesity campaigns similar to the anti-smoking campaigns we see?

"When it comes to calculating the cost of obesity-related illness, we don't have any up-to-date figures but the World Health Organisation estimates the cost to be 7 per cent of a country's health budget.That's a cool $300 million, or thereabouts."

$300 million a year? For gluttonous buffoons?

Someone should really lobby for a fat tax...

A 2008/09 New Zealand Adult Nutrition Survey found that:

one in three adults were overweight (37.0%) and one in four were obese (27.8%).

(I'd hope a nutrition survey isn't stupid enough to only use BMI's)

So how do we solve yet another money-sharing issue? Seeing as supposedly 64.8% of us are either overweight or obese. Fat tax? Healthy school lunches? Nutrition classes? Or let it be... and let the joys of natural selection take its course? Non-communal health insurance? Or continue to have the entire population subsidise obesity-related costs for those who don't have enough will-power to fight their food addictions? Try and get everyone to grow their own veges/fruit?

So tell your hubby, wifey and mates that they're fatties (in a nice way if you want) because apparently it's the easiest way to improve an entire countries health and well being.

To compare ourselves to other nations (according to a Forbe's list) we are 17th in the world for our rate of 'overfedness', with places like the UK at 28th, Germany 43rd, U.S.A 9th, Sweden 90th.



Alllrrriiiiigt, fastest wank ever.

Didn't even need to read your text, The pic was more then enough.

[Clockwork]

Anyone can choose how much time they devote to any aspect of their life. It is that simple. You just want to overcomplicate the issue, make excuses for your lifestyle choices and avoid responsibility for how you choose to live your life. Perhaps then you're too weak-willed to solve any problems, and perhaps that's why you find it appropriate to insult me on the basis of being younger than you...


Like I said.... you'll learn.

And just to put you straight on another of your silly assumptions

51 yo
185 cm
92 kgs

Slightly over weight but I don't think I was the target of this thread.

I exercise 3-4 times a week and now-a-days have to watch what I eat.

I just hope your BMI is as good when you get to 51.

[superman]

I think you'll find that if you're a GST registered business then you simply get a credit from the IRD for all the GST you pay on transactions with your suppliers, you collect GST on all the taxable sales you make and the difference is what you pay or get refunded.

Yes, but if there was GST exemption on fresh food you wouldn't get credit for any GST expenses to do with those goods. Are you saying they would just ignore this, and allow companies to still claim all GST credits for fresh food related expenses, while also receiving no GST in on those goods. So the difference becomes much smaller and even less GST is paid by businesses? That would cost the government even more!

[slofox]

63yo
171cm
72kg

BMI 24.6

Still a burden on the health system 'cause I chose the wrong ancestors. Hard to fix, that...

OR. Maybe if the health system hadn't intervened when I was 17 I woulda been dead ages ago and would have saved the gummint heaps.

Conclusion: Don't get born if you wanna save on health dollars.

:whistle:

[Bikemad]

thread should really be called.........."politicians are fat and a burden on the taxpayer"

[James Deuce]

Yes. I am stupid too.

[slowpoke]

Anyone can choose how much time they devote to any aspect of their life. It is that simple. You just want to overcomplicate the issue, make excuses for your lifestyle choices and avoid responsibility for how you choose to live your life. Perhaps then you're too weak-willed to solve any problems, and perhaps that's why you find it appropriate to insult me on the basis of being younger than you...

WTF? From someone who has overcomplicated the fuck out of what could be a fairly simple Goods and Services tax system? And you think he's overcomplicating things? Mind boggling.........

And no, you haven't been insulted on the basis of your age, you've been questioned on your lack of real world life experience. How many years (if any) have you even been cooking for yourself? Or sourcing all your own food? What lifestyle choices have you had to make around providing for family/children, paying the bills etc? What do you know of the mechanisms for gaining weight? How much have you paid in tax vs how much assistance you've received?

Mate, you haven't even had a life yet you choose to lecture other people and decry their choices? Best you prove you can successfully look after yourself before you go any further down that road.

[Kickaha]

Yes. I am stupid too.

Thats ok Jim doesn't hurt to know ones limitations, we still like you anyway

[caspernz]

I myself would be keen on tax free veg and fruit

And is there some sort of government system to help people loose weight?

Yep! Eat less, move more and instead of playstation learn the basics of eating healthier.

[GingerMidget]

OMG.

You say if I eat less, move more, and don't sit on my arse all day, I won't get fat?

No! Its like logic!

:laugh:

[Katman]

No! Its like logic!

:laugh:

Logic has always lacked flavour.

[martybabe]

This thread has made me hungry :blink:

[GingerMidget]

It made me hungry too. So Im eating cornchips.

[Tigadee]

be careful....whats the difference between gluttonous buffoons and temporary kiwis.......

,,, or between gluttonous buffoons and politicians?


Fat tax. Make the bad shit expensive, and cut the gst on unprocessed foods, and fruit/veges.

Totally agree with that!

And get food companies to be honest about their products or else face penalties. Last year, I bought two bags of Hubbards Muesli which contained 5 different grains, including buckwheat which was good for controlling blood sugar. But when I cracked the bag open and consumed some, it was so ridiculously sweet, I spit it out!

The sugar content [per 100gm] seemed average but then closer examination of the ingredients revealed four different types of sugar [two disguised as somethign else]. I think that's totally dishonest.


You say if I eat less, move more, and don't sit on my arse all day, I won't get fat?

No! Its like logic!

'Tis foul magic at work, I say....

[GingerMidget]

I find the best way to control bloodsugar (for me personally) is stop drinking. Because I eat like a feral child when I've been drinking, and then feel like shit for days after because I've filled my body with empty carbs and sugar which has to go somewhere.

Its cheaper too

[Tigadee]

I find the best way to control bloodsugar (for me personally) is
Its cheaper too

For me, it's exercise... Not even an hour three or four times a week, just 20 intense minutes three times a week with as much walking as I can (like 15 mins of brisk walking before lunch everyday).

With my time constraints and daily pressures of life (work, family, bills, car, bikes, etc.), I now subscribe to the school of thought that it's the intensity of exercise and not duration [e.g. cardio] that is more important and effective. The right types of exercises raise your metabolism and keeps it up there for the next 48 hours till your next intense workout, thereby allowing you to burn off fat and carbs more efficiently [and more easily if you eat right too]. It's called the 'Afterburn Effect (http://www.youtube.com/user/sixpackshortcuts?feature=g-all-c)'.

And it's cheaper too, no equipment, no membership fees, no fancy clothes or shoes...

[bogan]

Firstly, I'm not fat. Anyone who can win at hide and seek in a bean garden can't be considered fat.

Secondly, active people are also a burden, how many injuries and pulled muscles from jogging and that sort of carry on are there?

Thirdly, maybe skinny slothlike people are the way to go, I used to be one of them.

Fourthly, being fit is awesome, you can take the piss and not get a beating.

Fifthly, fatties will be the slowest and provide a distraction when we are invaded by aliens, or robots.

Nextly, rendering all the fat will take time for the aforementioned conquerors, and be a source of explode-ables for the rebels.

Lastly, without fatties there would be far less pies, and you can't successfully rebel without some good pies.

[Tigadee]

Secondly, active people are also a burden, how many injuries and pulled muscles from jogging and that sort of carry on are there?

Or motorbiking :rolleyes:?


Thirdly, maybe skinny slothlike people are the way to go, I used to be one of them.

You were a teenager? :mellow:


Fifthly, fatties will be the slowest and provide a distraction when we are invaded by aliens, or robots.

Good point.


Lastly, without fatties there would be far less pies, and you can't successfully rebel without some good pies.

...or beer. :drinknsin

[bogan]

Or motorbiking :rolleyes:?


Yeh, but fatties can do that too, they just spend a bit more on gas, tyres, suspension, frames...


You were a teenager? :mellow:


Even worse, uni student



...or beer. :drinknsin

I reckon fatties have way more of a monopoly on pies than they do on beer, and you can always rebel with moonshine :p

[Fatt Max]

My parents said that I was not to worry, I am simply heavy boned

Mind you, I've never actually seen a fat skeleton

Still, I am harder to kidnap so......yeah....

[caspernz]

Loads of info around for eating right isn't there? Start your day off with a decent breakfast, slow down on the carbs after midday, smaller meals at night. A bit of exercise, preferably a good romp in the sack with Miss Gina three or four times a week, ooopps wrong website for that.
All that's missing for the majority of folks is them little things called motivation and moderation me thinks. It ain't easy, will admit that, I gotta work on it myself...but I just have to laugh at the large number who shrug their shoulders and blame genetics :laugh::laugh:

[Teflon]

Tonights post work-out meal:

double whopper w/cheese and extra bacon

tendercrisp burger with extra mayo

cheese burger with mayo

large fries

diet coke

Very good snack, gives the heart a good work out

If you eat like a bitch you will train like a bitch

[jrandom]

I did my bit for society by refusing to go out at 10pm last night to get kiwifruit icecream.

[GingerMidget]

I see your kiwifruit iceacream, and raise you mammoth supply company peanut butter icecream.
OMG.

This is not the secret to losing weight though. Its a great way to gain 4kg in less than that many months, and becoming the heaviest you have ever been, with the least amount of muscle.

Fast forward from August to today, I'm back down to within 2kg of my previous goal weight (unrealistic dream) and content to stay here.

I'm not fat :p
(anymore)

[jrandom]

I see your kiwifruit iceacream, and raise you mammoth supply company peanut butter icecream.
OMG.

Oh shit yes. It really is just so astonishingly good, isn't it?

I should note, by the way, that 'kiwifruit' is the handle of another member of this forum. He likes to run marathons in one-piece leathers and turn Yamaha Scorpios into racebikes. He is my flatmate. It was 10pm, and he wanted icecream. At the time, I don't believe he cared much what flavour it'd be.

Only when I read your post did I realise the ambiguity of my wording.


Its a great way to gain 4kg in less than that many months, and becoming the heaviest you have ever been, with the least amount of muscle.

PIXPLZ

[Tigadee]

...and turn Yamaha Scorpios into racebikes.

Scorpios into racebikes?! :gob:

[jrandom]

Scorpios into racebikes?!

Yes. I have one too. It doesn't go right now, but I believe that to be traditional for racebikes.

[Edit: see http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php/146480-Streetstock-on-a-Yamaha-Scorpio]

[GingerMidget]

I wish I had pics of when I joined the gym, compared to now. I wasn't big, but I certainly wouldn't have taken me home on a Saturday night.

Ambiguity FTL.
Clearly I'm a noob. :laugh:

[jrandom]

Ambiguity FTL.

In this case it created emergent awesomeness. It also gave me an opportunity to be squeee because someone else likes that peanut butter shit.

[GingerMidget]

That peanut butter shit is awesome! It was better in cardboard, cos i could cut through the servings per package and not feel as guilty :laugh: