Fast-food outlet expansion sparks alarm

[scissorhands]

Looks like the poor and nameless are gonna get sicker, thanks gubbermint for screwing NZ's under-classes yet again

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=10785600

The rapid expansion of international fast-food businesses in some of Auckland's poorer areas has raised community concern.

Derek Battersby, chairman of the New Lynn-based Whau Local Board, is worried about Carl's Jr Restaurants opening in Avondale.

The chain, dubbed one of the world's worst for its menu, already has restaurants in Takanini and Glen Innes and Mr Battersby said this showed how it planned to target low-socio-economic areas.

Sue Kedgley, ex-Green MP and food campaigner, said it was a concern that global fast-food businesses were expanding so rapidly in New Zealand.

Wendy's is seeking 22 new outlets, Burger King is expanding fast, KFC has transformed 53 stores to make them more appealing to customers and now Carl's Jr is expanding.

That American-headquartered chain has a foot-long cheeseburger on its menu which has 850 calories and 20g of saturated fat, about twice as many calories as the controversial KFC Double Down described last year when it was sold in New Zealand as the super villain of fast food.

But All Black great Michael Jones, who has a stake in a franchise business for Carl's Jr here, has said healthy options were being offered.

Staff at the Carl's Jr Glen Innes restaurant said yesterday that the food was not fatty and that healthy and low-calorie, low-carbohydrate options were being offered.

[Scuba_Steve]

Looks like the poor and nameless are gonna get sicker, thanks gubbermint for screwing NZ's under-classes yet again


I'm confused, which one of the fast foods does the NZ Govt own??? or is it that they're taxing other foods to a price people just can't afford??? The Govt has nothing to do with it.

The only ones "screwing NZ under-classes" are the "health" crazies & their friends, simple as that

[BoristheBiter]

Looks like the poor and nameless are gonna get sicker, thanks gubbermint for screwing NZ's under-classes yet again

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=10785600

The rapid expansion of international fast-food businesses in some of Auckland's poorer areas has raised community concern.

Derek Battersby, chairman of the New Lynn-based Whau Local Board, is worried about Carl's Jr Restaurants opening in Avondale.

The chain, dubbed one of the world's worst for its menu, already has restaurants in Takanini and Glen Innes and Mr Battersby said this showed how it planned to target low-socio-economic areas.

Sue Kedgley, ex-Green MP and food campaigner, said it was a concern that global fast-food businesses were expanding so rapidly in New Zealand.

Wendy's is seeking 22 new outlets, Burger King is expanding fast, KFC has transformed 53 stores to make them more appealing to customers and now Carl's Jr is expanding.

That American-headquartered chain has a foot-long cheeseburger on its menu which has 850 calories and 20g of saturated fat, about twice as many calories as the controversial KFC Double Down described last year when it was sold in New Zealand as the super villain of fast food.

But All Black great Michael Jones, who has a stake in a franchise business for Carl's Jr here, has said healthy options were being offered.

Staff at the Carl's Jr Glen Innes restaurant said yesterday that the food was not fatty and that healthy and low-calorie, low-carbohydrate options were being offered.

So you only want fast food/restaurants/takeaways that you approve of?

Why is it the government fault if people choose to eat there?

If the government banned these wouldn't you be crying nanny state?

[BoristheBiter]

I'm confused, which one of the fast foods does the NZ Govt own??? or is it that they're taxing other foods to a price people just can't afford??? The Govt has nothing to do with it.

The only ones "screwing NZ under-classes" are the "health" crazies & their friends, simple as that

One, if not both, needs more beer we are agreeing.

[oneofsix]

I'm confused, which one of the fast foods does the NZ Govt own??? or is it that they're taxing other foods to a price people just can't afford??? The Govt has nothing to do with it.

The only ones "screwing NZ under-classes" are the "health" crazies & their friends, simple as that

yeah looks like scissors bought the Fairfax spin line. FFS Maccas 1st opened in Porirua "targeting" the poor and how long ago was that! What I noticed at the time was it gave the lower income earners a place they could afford to go for a treat.

[Gremlin]

Fast food chains are businesses. Businesses want to turn a profit, so they go where their customers are. From the queues in the drive thru at most places (and not just low socio-economic areas) their predictions are going well.

How those jokers don't understand businesses going where their customers are, beggars belief. You want it? You buy it. Don't fucken complain how bad it is, and some people want to eat it once in a while (I've been to Carls Jr once in Takanini)...

gah.

[SMOKEU]

The rapid expansion of international fast-food businesses in some of Auckland's poorer areas has raised community concern.

how it planned to target low-socio-economic areas.



What has the poor areas got to do with anything?

[Scuba_Steve]

One, if not both, needs more beer we are agreeing.

na just one... you've got some catching up to do with my Vodka fuelled insanity, I'd suggest switching to something with alcohol in it :yes:

I guess everyone has something they can agree on

[steve_t]

Again comes the fine line between social responsibility and personal responsibility. The line sits in a different place for everyone. On one hand, people need to have the freedom to choose for themselves. On the other hand, people are stupid and need to be protected from themselves and the sometimes detrimental choices they make

[BoristheBiter]

na just one... you've got some catching up to do with my Vodka fuelled insanity, I'd suggest switching to something with alcohol in it :yes:

I guess everyone has something they can agree on

:laugh:crap I better head home now.

[oneofsix]

Again comes the fine line between social responsibility and personal responsibility. The line sits in a different place for everyone. On one hand, people need to have the freedom to choose for themselves. On the other hand, people are stupid and need to be protected from themselves and the sometimes detrimental choices they make

The problem I have with that is that often those so called "detrimental choices they make" advance society. Like don't play with steam it burns or Stay away from oil it messes your clothes up.

[Scuba_Steve]

On the other hand, people are stupid and need to be protected from themselves and the sometimes detrimental choices they make

No they don't, one mans stupid is another mans genius. Unless they lack the mental ability to think for themselves leave them alone. I dread the day when someones going to use that exact "logic" to ban bikes, after all riding bikes is a "dangerous activity", "bikers must be stupid to voluntarily partake in such a dangerous activity", "bikers need to be saved from themselves" :facepalm: It will happen eventually

[HenryDorsetCase]

Looks like the poor and nameless are gonna get sicker, thanks gubbermint for screwing NZ's under-classes yet again


Please explain this statement. In particular, your answer should focus on how an entirely legal tax paying locally owned business which provides a non compulsory product which people desire equates to "the gubbermint screwing NZ's under classes"?

Repugnant as the product is, as terrible as the food like substances are, they would not be put anywhere if they did not make a profit. The easiest way for people to express their disappointment at the offerings by these places is to NOT GODDAMN PATRONISE THEM. Easy.

[Gremlin]

On the other hand, people are stupid and need to be protected from themselves and the sometimes detrimental choices they make
Please watch something like Frozen Planet, screening on TV1 Tuesday evenings I think.

Mother Nature doesn't protect anything. If too many babies are born, some die through natural selection because there isn't enough food to feed every mouth. The weaker ones die. Some babies have to compete with each other to get the mother's food... ergo, the weak one dies. If they fail to find adequate shelter, they die. In short, if you're weak or screw up... you die.

It's brutal, but sometimes I really wish humanity could be a bit more like that. Stop protecting the weak, and as long as the detrimental choices are not impacting others adversely, then leave them to it.

[steve_t]

No they don't, one mans stupid is another mans genius. Unless they lack the mental ability to think for themselves leave them alone. I dread the day when someones going to use that exact "logic" to ban bikes, after all riding bikes is a "dangerous activity", "bikers must be stupid to voluntarily partake in such a dangerous activity", "bikers need to be saved from themselves" :facepalm: It will happen eventually

Nice work selectively omitting the bit where I said "On one hand, people need to have the freedom to choose for themselves."




Please watch something like Frozen Planet, screening on TV1 Tuesday evenings I think.

Mother Nature doesn't protect anything. If too many babies are born, some die through natural selection because there isn't enough food to feed every mouth. The weaker ones die. Some babies have to compete with each other to get the mother's food... ergo, the weak one dies. If they fail to find adequate shelter, they die. In short, if you're weak or screw up... you die.

It's brutal, but sometimes I really wish humanity could be a bit more like that. Stop protecting the weak, and as long as the detrimental choices are not impacting others adversely, then leave them to it.

The choice to be unhealthy does/can affect others adversely when society has a public health system funded by taxpayers.

[Scuba_Steve]

Nice work selectively omitting the bit where I said "On one hand, people need to have the freedom to choose for themselves."



I was pointing out the 2nd should never exist I had no problem with the 1st part & it wasn't a qualification so need not be included

[steve_t]

I was pointing out the 2nd should never exist I had no problem with the 1st part & it wasn't a qualification so need not be included

And again, as my first sentence said, there's a fine line between social responsibility and personal responsibility, and that line lies in a different place for everyone. Should people be allowed to choose EVERY facet of their lives? Should we abolish laws like no txting while you drive, no driving through a red light etc etc because they impinge upon the individuals right to choose for themselves? For me, these laws are fine because they are in the interest of the public weal. Some people might not agree with my view on them...

[scissorhands]

The problem I have with that is that often those so called "detrimental choices they make" advance society. Like don't play with steam it burns or Stay away from oil it messes your clothes up.

Quantum physics and junk food advancing humanity. Nice but hmmmm bit simplistic... I think of this often actually, thanks for wording it. It only advances society if eaters learn by their mistakes... is that happening?
Holy fat intake batman!

we are only as strong as our weakest link...
so its not just the poor who suffer a junk food society
its all of us paying for bad food choices of others
the childrens DNA quality gets screwed
the family jewels of our poorer neighbours are lost to corporate greed
the farmer plants a bad seed that grows into a sick forest

[Tigadee]

I suggest if we want to get rid of the fast-food restaurants, we should eat their food for six months straight and then sue them for providing unhealthy food.

They close down, we get rich enough to afford a nutritionist and personal trainers from lower socio-economic backgrounds, and the poor areas are rid of a health hazard... Everybody's happy. :yes:

[oneofsix]

I suggest if we want to get rid of the fast-food restaurants, we should eat their food for six months straight and then sue them for providing unhealthy food.

They close down, we get rich enough to afford a nutritionist and personal trainers from lower socio-economic backgrounds, and the poor areas are rid of a health hazard... Everybody's happy. :yes:

Your logic is interesting.

If you think fast food places provide unhealthy food you should look at the food at a 'normal' restaurant. A Maccas burger is healthy in comparsion, OK don't eat the chips and the fizzy, the fizzy is cheaper at the supermarket anyhow. And talking about supermarkets and what is available there :facepalm: Bring back the green grocer :shifty:

"we get rich enough to afford a nutritionist and personal trainers from lower socio-economic backgrounds" :yes: but would we? not frigging likely or we wouldn't have a lower socio-economic group in the first place. Too close to sharing the wealth which equals communism for many.

[Buyasta]

I suggest if we want to get rid of the fast-food restaurants, we should eat their food for six months straight and then sue them for providing unhealthy food.

They close down, we get rich enough to afford a nutritionist and personal trainers from lower socio-economic backgrounds, and the poor areas are rid of a health hazard... Everybody's happy. :yes:

You appear to be assuming we'd all survive those six months, and you know what they say about assumptions, right?

[scissorhands]

I'm confused, which one of the fast foods does the NZ Govt own??? or is it that they're taxing other foods to a price people just can't afford??? The Govt has nothing to do with it.

The only ones "screwing NZ under-classes" are the "health" crazies & their friends, simple as that

Personal attacks and poorly researched statements. I will pray for you:yawn:

The government is the parent to the nation
Would you let your kids run amok without direction? Eat whatever they want, its the same thing. Mum and Dad are fucktards and bad parents....

[Scuba_Steve]

And again, as my first sentence said, there's a fine line between social responsibility and personal responsibility, and that line lies in a different place for everyone. Should people be allowed to choose EVERY facet of their lives? Should we abolish laws like no txting while you drive, no driving through a red light etc etc because they impinge upon the individuals right to choose for themselves? For me, these laws are fine because they are in the interest of the public weal. Some people might not agree with my view on them...

:oi-grr: Now your starting to scarecrow it. Thats no longer protecting them from themselves, thats protecting others from them, those laws are fine. It's the laws protecting one from oneself that are not ok


You appear to be assuming we'd all survive those six months, and you know what they say about assumptions, right?

Can't speak for all but I did :2thumbsup , stay'd 69kgs the whole time too... :shutup: That's not what the health crazies want to hear is it???

[scissorhands]

stay'd 69kgs the whole time too... :shutup: That's not what the health crazies want to hear is it???

crack is great for staying thin

[oneofsix]

Personal attacks and poorly researched statements. I will pray for you:yawn:

The government is the parent to the nation
Would you let your kids run amok without direction? Eat whatever they want, its the same thing. Mum and Dad are fucktards and bad parents....

the nation is really fucked if the government are its parent. :sick:

A nation works best on personal responsibly, all governments that try to control personal choice eventually fail big time. Ask an Egyptian, a Syrian, a Russian even.

[Scuba_Steve]

Personal attacks and poorly researched statements. I will pray for you:yawn:

The government is the parent to the nation
Would you let your kids run amok without direction? Eat whatever they want, its the same thing. Mum and Dad are fucktards and bad parents....

:confused: say what??? where was the "personal attack"??? :facepalm: your a "health" crazy ain't you???
as for "poorly researched statements"? your the one that considers the Govt "parent to the nation" & brought up this article blaming the Govt. Might be worth taking a look in the mirror ay

[oneofsix]

Can't speak for all but I did :2thumbsup , stay'd 69kgs the whole time too... :shutup: That's not what the health crazies want to hear is it???

Reminds me of that movie Supersize me the fast food bashers like to quote. They all forget the guy that eat 2 big macs a day and stayed slim and healthy. And when they quote how sick the reporter got they forget the radical dietary change he underwent or that he would have got just as sick going the other way.

[Scuba_Steve]

Reminds me of that movie Supersize me the fast food bashers like to quote. They all forget the guy that eat 2 big macs a day and stayed slim and healthy. And when they quote how sick the reporter got they forget the radical dietary change he underwent or that he would have got just as sick going the other way.

Yea that movie brung disappointment, only saw half of it cause it made us hungry so we went on our mission to BK (whooper being the biggest burger around) only to find the whooper paled in size compared to their Big Mac & cost a lot more too.

[oneofsix]

If the government are the parents, what does that make the high court because it just told mum and dad off? http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/farming/6422866/Reconsider-Crafar-farms-deal-Government-told :laugh:

[scissorhands]

:confused: say what??? where was the "personal attack"??? :facepalm: your a "health" crazy ain't you???
as for "poorly researched statements"? your the one that considers the Govt "parent to the nation" & brought up this article blaming the Govt. Might be worth taking a look in the mirror ay

I'm being facetious (Ed).

Who else would you blame for a junk food nation? The drongos in front of the telly? Everyone knows gubbermint is run by corporates

Your logic blames young kids for being fat. I maintain my position of government responsibility being poor

[scissorhands]

If the government are the parents, what does that make the high court because it just told mum and dad off? http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/farming/6422866/Reconsider-Crafar-farms-deal-Government-told :laugh:

The conscience?

[HenryDorsetCase]

Quantum physics and junk food advancing humanity. Nice but hmmmm bit simplistic... I think of this often actually, thanks for wording it. It only advances society if eaters learn by their mistakes... is that happening?
Holy fat intake batman!

we are only as strong as our weakest link...
so its not just the poor who suffer a junk food society
its all of us paying for bad food choices of others
the childrens DNA quality gets screwed
the family jewels of our poorer neighbours are lost to corporate greed
the farmer plants a bad seed that grows into a sick forest

OK, instead of tweeting platitudes please demonstrate:

a link between how fast food intake affects childrens DNA. I though that we had DNA when we were born, and it doesnt change accordign to diet? or do you mean intergenerational?

I dont mean to pick on you all the time, but honestly, you make it fairly easy.

[HenryDorsetCase]

The conscience?

in a better world, perhaps.

[Scuba_Steve]

I'm being facetious (Ed).

Who else would you blame for a junk food nation? The drongos in front of the telly? Everyone knows gubbermint is run by corporates

Your logic blames young kids for being fat. I maintain my position of government responsibility being poor

If they're adults I blame them, if they're kids I blame the parents, & if the parents can't afford other food I blame the "health" crazies as they're the ones that have pushed this other food out of affordability by making it a "profitable trend".
The Govt has no part in this other than maybee to tell the "heath" crazies to STFU & stop driving prices up.

I grew up buying decent amounts of lollies each week, pretty much always had Ice cream & fizzy in the fridge/freezer, had fish 'n chips twice a week, always butter never marge, there was dripping, bacon, eggs, milk, bread & lots of raro... I ate more than most & everything about my diet was pretty much "wrong" according to the "health" crazies & yet never packed on the weight. Oh sugar cones was always a favourite of mine too, an ice-cream cone filled with sugar mmm...

My sheep on the other hand eat nothing but "healthy" constantly eating greens & they're packing on the weight :innocent:

[scissorhands]

Scientific links to DNA deterioration? meh

This is why I hate starting threads.. always have to defend your position to everyone esp smart asses with brains

From the bible will do: the sins of the father are visited upon the son.

Other than that, you win. I am wrong and you are right, carry on good sir.

[Zedder]

Government does actually have some culpability, they create/allow the environment for overseas companies like this to set up in.

They're probably only interested in the revenue from tax after carrying out the risk/benefit analysis of income versus downstream health issues for example.

[FJRider]

Government does actually have some culpability, they create/allow the environment for overseas companies like this to set up in.

They're probably only interested in the revenue from tax after carrying out the risk/benefit analysis of income versus downstream health issues for example.

Not to mention the GST on all sales ... how many bites at the cherry do they need ... ???

[Tigadee]

If you think fast food places provide unhealthy food you should look at the food at a 'normal' restaurant. A Maccas burger is healthy in comparsion, OK don't eat the chips and the fizzy, the fizzy is cheaper at the supermarket anyhow. And talking about supermarkets and what is available there. Bring back the green grocer

Yeah, I always leave out the fizzy.


but would we? not frigging likely or we wouldn't have a lower socio-economic group in the first place. Too close to sharing the wealth which equals communism for many.

Then why are we so fascinated by Robin Hood that there have been so many movies and TV series made about him with the same plot...? :facepalm:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_films_and_television_series_featuring_Robi n_Hood


..and you know what they say about assumptions, right?

You assume correctly that I know, sir... :laugh:

[Zedder]

Not to mention the GST on all sales ... how many bites at the cherry do they need ... ???

Ummm FJR, GST is a tax.....

[FJRider]

Ummm FJR, GST is a tax.....

I know ... on each sale.

GST-PAYE ... are just a few in the great scheme of things

[oneofsix]

Government does actually have some culpability, they create/allow the environment for overseas companies like this to set up in.

They're probably only interested in the revenue from tax after carrying out the risk/benefit analysis of income versus downstream health issues for example.

you were taking the piss about the risk/benefit analysis right? That is the sort of thing the old government departments did because they had a long term career and therefore a long term interest but modern "public servants" only have a job and the "government" only has a 3 year term. And don't forget the pressure on the MPs from those caring cuddly Americans that own the "multi-national" fast food providers, their future positions at the UN etc could be jeopardised by considering any risks.
:jerry:

[Paul in NZ]

Hmmmm..... Look I 'can' see both sides of the argument but I fall firmly on the side of personal responsibility. My body is now totally rooted (for various reasons) and I'm so restricted on what I can eat now its almost hilarious so I'm no fan of fast food outlets. They have nothing I need or can eat. However I can't for the life of me really blame these guys for societies ills. Yeah it seems a sad world when a takeaway meal is seemingly cheaper than a home cooked one but that comes down to lazy people not being able to look after themselves properly (ie they can't shop and can't cook).

But thats just part of the problem.

Mainly people are LAZY. Too lazy to shop, too lazy to cook, too lazy to exercise and even though they know full well the consequences of what they are doing to themselves they do it anyway and expect me to pay to fix them. I've visited people on dialysis and seen people plugged into the machine and eating KFC (smuggled in by their support relation) to make them feel better ffs....

You can't fix stupid....

Its about time we introduced a social WoF system. Citizens contribute (through tax etc) to out support systems but have an obligation to keep themselves healthy where possible to avoid excess drain on these systems. The more you contribute and the less you use the more you are entitled to when you do need it. People who don't contribute and are heavy users get minimal support and the option to educate themselves / improve their outcomes.

In an ideal world 2/3 of the fast food joints would go bust from a lack of business and healthy takeaways grow.

[Zedder]

I know ... on each sale.

GST-PAYE ... are just a few in the great scheme of things

What they do that as well? The thieving bastards!

[oneofsix]

Paul in NZ; I enjoy my body being totally rooted. :Oops: you didn't mean it that way.

Where you find these so call healthy takeaways?

What is defined as healthy? What's healthy for me stuck behind this frigging desk is not what is healthy for the guy burning 5k+ cals/day. The professions in the healthy eating related fields can't even agree on what is healthy, a couple of year ago, and even today, some would have us eating trans-fats in pref to natural fats.

[Zedder]

you were taking the piss about the risk/benefit analysis right? That is the sort of thing the old government departments did because they had a long term career and therefore a long term interest but modern "public servants" only have a job and the "government" only has a 3 year term. And don't forget the pressure on the MPs from those caring cuddly Americans that own the "multi-national" fast food providers, their future positions at the UN etc could be jeopardised by considering any risks.
:jerry:

Me take the piss OO6? I'm deeply hurt.

Don't however confuse risk/benefit analysis with cost/benefit analysis. And yes Government do both.

[FJRider]

What they do that as well? The thieving bastards!

and of course ACC levies ... :lol:

[Zedder]

and of course ACC levies ... :lol:

Right, they've gone too far this time!!!!

[scissorhands]

Knowing what is healthy is not difficult for anyone with half a brain.

[oneofsix]

Me take the piss OO6? I'm deeply hurt.

Don't however confuse risk/benefit analysis with cost/benefit analysis. And yes Government do both.

well if you are going to talk maths then it is 1/6 as much as I enjoy the Bond movies. :sunny:


I find it hard to believe the Government would have done a anything benefit analysis for the first or any fast food outlet. Remember the fish and chip shop, the Romans and Greeks had them back in year 1, even BC.

[scissorhands]

Look what I just grew, yummy and super nutritious lady finger banana's

257642

[Paul in NZ]

Paul in NZ; I enjoy my body being totally rooted. :Oops: you didn't mean it that way.

Where you find these so call healthy takeaways?

What is defined as healthy? What's healthy for me stuck behind this frigging desk is not what is healthy for the guy burning 5k+ cals/day. The professions in the healthy eating related fields can't even agree on what is healthy, a couple of year ago, and even today, some would have us eating trans-fats in pref to natural fats.


A lot of indian and chinese food is Ok if eaten in moderation and even maccas wraps were ok too but honestly they only introduced them as a face saving marketing dealie - order one (I can't) and watch their genuine surprise.

Hey - any takeaway is OK in moderation but every day followed by a giant V.... erm no....

[Scuba_Steve]

Knowing what is healthy is not difficult for anyone with half a brain.

Yep your right (I will qualify with 'general rule')
If it's natural & don't make you sick/dead it's healthy
If it's man made it's unhealthy

Simple enough :yes:

[HenryDorsetCase]

Look what I just grew, yummy and super nutritious lady finger banana's

257642

"lady finger" heh heh. sounds dirty.

[Tigadee]

And don't forget the pressure on the MPs from those caring cuddly Americans that own the "multi-national" fast food providers, their future positions at the UN etc could be jeopardised by considering any risks.

Now that you mentioend it, if fast-food was so cheap that the poor could afford it and was not unhealthy, how come the UN doesn't drop tonnes of Big Macs and fries on starving African countries?

[Scuba_Steve]

"lady finger" heh heh. sounds dirty.

Na looks clean enough, & colour choice too :D

http://www.caprishop.com/images/ladyfinger.jpg

[Scuba_Steve]

Now that you mentioend it, if fast-food was so cheap that the poor could afford it and was not unhealthy, how come the UN doesn't drop tonnes of Big Macs and fries on starving African countries?

Simple, Keep profits up. Same reason the UN allows coke to sell water at a higher price than their flagship product coke to South Africans that have no other choice for water

[HenryDorsetCase]

Yep your right (I will qualify with 'general rule')
If it's natural & don't make you sick/dead it's healthy
If it's man made it's unhealthy

Simple enough :yes:

in all seriousness if you want to read a good book about this sort of stuff, I cannot recommend Michael Pollan's

IN DEFENCE OF FOOD (buy it at the book depository: http://www.bookdepository.co.uk/Defense-Food-Michael-Pollan/9781594133329

highly enough.

His protip: If it is something your grandmother recognised as food, its food, if not, not so much: he also coined the term "Food-like substance" I used above.

[Zedder]

Now that you mentioend it, if fast-food was so cheap that the poor could afford it and was not unhealthy, how come the UN doesn't drop tonnes of Big Macs and fries on starving African countries?

'Cos it would squash 'em.

[Zedder]

well if you are going to talk maths then it is 1/6 as much as I enjoy the Bond movies. :sunny:


I find it hard to believe the Government would have done a anything benefit analysis for the first or any fast food outlet. Remember the fish and chip shop, the Romans and Greeks had them back in year 1, even BC.

Your cynicism only spurs me on OO6. Remember the Romans and Greeks didn't have a health system like ours or ACC etc therefore it behoves Government to get some things kinda right.

[Madness]

Meh.

The time to panic is when one of them starts offering drive thru abortions.

:shutup:

[Buyasta]

Can't speak for all but I did :2thumbsup , stay'd 69kgs the whole time too... :shutup: That's not what the health crazies want to hear is it???

:facepalm:... Note to self: Moisten sense of humour before posting online.

[Deano]

No one is forcing the food down anyone's throat are they ?

Personal responsibility fail........again.

[oneofsix]

No one is forcing the food down anyone's throat are they ?

Personal responsibility fail........again.

aren't they? physically no, physiologically is open for debate but then again I guess if you avoid all media or going near a CBD ...

[oneofsix]

Your cynicism only spurs me on OO6. Remember the Romans and Greeks didn't have a health system like ours or ACC etc therefore it behoves Government to get some things kinda right.

Yeah theirs was rather different, more of a risk to the lions, and the gubberment doesn't want ours anymore. But it don't change the fact that fast food outlets have been around longer than Christians, who also served as fast food for the lions if some history lessons are to be believed.

[Zedder]

No one is forcing the food down anyone's throat are they ?

Personal responsibility fail........again.

No they aren't forcing, but they are using all the psychological weapons in their marketing arsenal (barring subliminal advertising) though.

[kiwifruit]

We've evolved to eat as much calorie rich food as we can when we find it / catch it etc. Who knows when the nek meal will be... it could be days or weeks away!

[Zedder]

Yeah theirs was rather different, more of a risk to the lions, and the gubberment doesn't want ours anymore. But it don't change the fact that fast food outlets have been around longer than Christians, who also served as fast food for the lions if some history lessons are to be believed.

Love it man!!

[scissorhands]

If we give kids milk at school it will fix it, plus it makes us look good with the moms.

Too bad that many polynesians and asians are lactose intolerant, who gives a fuck anyway huh?

Fonterra wont mind

[HenryDorsetCase]

if we give kids milk at school it will fix it, plus it makes us look good with the moms.

Too bad that many polynesians and asians are lactose intolerant, who gives a fuck anyway huh?

Fonterra wont mind


your propositions do not support your conclusion. If indeed that is a conclusion.

[scissorhands]

whats a proposition?

[Deano]

aren't they? physically no, physiologically is open for debate but then again I guess if you avoid all media or going near a CBD ...

Yeah - I guess some people have no self control so the gubbermint has to regulate.

Pretty pathetic though.

[scissorhands]

No one is forcing the food down anyone's throat are they ?

Personal responsibility fail........again.

How convenient... the gubbermint has no responsibility because personal responsibility is always greater? Shall we put pokies in schools?

Fantastic way to get off the hook... so advertising and behavioural psychology doesnt work on you?


Hmmm, maybe the evolution of man may need the problems of 'now'
so we can evolve past primitive natural states desiring high fat, high sugar, high energy, increase an individuals relationship to personal responsibility...

I'd hazard a guess that Scandinavians are more likely to behave in a more personally responsible manner.

So once all the NZ fatties are well and truly fat, will they just wake up to them selves and come clean and become responsible eaters??

I dont think so.

Scandinavians are more personally responsible because they are taught to be so by their Gmint (their parents are good) which in turn manifests in the DNA after a time....chicken and egg thing

[Deano]

Fantastic way to get off the hook... so advertising and behavioural psychology doesnt work on you?




Not with fatty foods obviously, no. I love KFC burgers but only eat them once a fortnight, and I exercise regularly.

Some people are shit with money, some love drugs, some alcohol, some gamble. Regulate them for sure, but at the end of the day, people need to take more repsonsibility for their lifestyles and lives, otherwise a lot of it is just a cop out. Too easy to blame someon or something else for their own failings, lack of self control, willpower etc.

Is it an addition to fatty food or laziness ? Is it more about education ?

I don't know but it seems all too easy to pass the buck these days.

Oh - you compare Scandanavia to NZ - why are we so different ? Has the nanny state that NZ has been taken away people's desire to be personally responsible for their lives ?

Anyway - That's my 2c and all I have to say about it.

[scissorhands]

Thanks for your 2cents.

[Brian d marge]

We've evolved to eat as much calorie rich food as we can when we find it / catch it etc. Who knows when the nek meal will be... it could be days or weeks away!

Yes thats true , and couple that with cheap prices and availability , and the feeling that it gives ( makes you feel good ,,,)

and bingo , its been proven somewhere along the line , about the link with fast food and poverty


Stephen

[scissorhands]

Yes thats true , and couple that with cheap prices and availability , and the feeling that it gives ( makes you feel good ,,,)

and bingo , its been proven somewhere along the line , about the link with fast food and poverty


Stephen

And poverty can be equated with hopelessness and gloom. Meat and food in general produce high amounts of ocitocin, the hormone that chocolate and cuddling produce. They make you temporarily happy.

[Scuba_Steve]

Stephen

:Offtopic: ah ha, here you be! while your here & we're talking about healthy foods the Govt should ban, are you a Saké or plum wine drinker??? I like the stuff but don't know me brands. Do you know the good brands??? Just assuming you might have an idea given your geographic location.

[Brian d marge]

:Offtopic: ah ha, here you be! while your here & we're talking about healthy foods the Govt should ban, are you a Saké or plum wine drinker??? I like the stuff but don't know me brands. Do you know the good brands??? Just assuming you might have an idea given your geographic location.

yes I do , and its near where I live , ( can t remember the name , off top of head I; Pm when I do ,) its about 5k yen for a bottle

me I make me own homebrew , good old fashioned London pride ,! drinking it now actually

Ill get back to you with the name

Stephen

[Brian d marge]

And poverty can be equated with hopelessness and gloom. Meat and food in general produce high amounts of ocitocin, the hormone that chocolate and cuddling produce. They make you temporarily happy.

So can marriage

Stephen

[scissorhands]

So can marriage

Stephen

wot, make you hopeless and glum
or temporarily happy?

or both at the same time?

[Brian d marge]

wot, make you hopeless and glum
or temporarily happy?

or both at the same time?

all of the above,.....
Stephen

[scissorhands]

he, I'm in maccas now having a coffee and muffin:woohoo: