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HoorayForYou
19th February 2012, 19:38
Ullo forum.
I know this question has been asked elsewhere, but opinions seemed to differ so much, I thought I would try and nail down a more definitive answer with your help...
I am looking to get my NZ bike license, starting from scratch with my basic handling in the next few weeks.
(FWIW I am 34 years old and have held a full drivers license for yonks...)
Due to excessive pie consumption, I clock in at around 120kg (and am just over 6 foot tall), so I will be looking for a decent 250cc which will safely haul my bulk around without needing to modify brakes or springs and that hopefully won't give up the ghost on the steeper hills...
Initial research seems to suggest something like a Hyosung GT250 would best fit the bill?
Am I actually just worrying unnecessarily here - will most modern 250's cope with my fat arse?
Thanks in advance for your assistance and insults.
:)
Maha
19th February 2012, 19:41
Anything will do...its tyre pressure you should worried about...;)
jrandom
19th February 2012, 19:41
Plenty of fat cunts on this forum dude, no need to worry about being insulted.
The Hyosung or a Kawasaki Ninja 250 would work fine for you. I'd go for the Kawasaki, because it's probably less likely to break.
Stand by for everyone who's been lucky enough to buy a Hyosung that didn't break turning up in here to tell you that Hyosungs don't break. You'd still do better to get a Kawasaki, of course.
:sunny:
Heck, even a Yamaha Scorpio. I was perfectly happy on one at 115kg a few years back. 150kg is more the point at which your motorcycle choices become limited, not 120.
Subike
19th February 2012, 19:43
wait another six months then you have a larger range of bikes to choose from when all the regulations governing motorcycle licenses change.
If you dont want to wait, the the Hyosung GT250 is probably your best bet
jaffaonajappa
19th February 2012, 19:45
write to NZTA - some fellas on here have already rec'd the 250cc learners exemption - iirc the usual reason on the application is "physical size' - i.e. 6ft+ or over 100kg.
And who said eating pies doesn't pay?
jrandom
19th February 2012, 19:47
write to NZTA - some fellas on here have already rec'd the 250cc learners exemption - iirc the usual reason on the application is "physical size' - i.e. 6ft+ or over 100kg.
And who said eating pies doesn't pay?
Personally I believe this to be a bad idea. Being fat won't stop you from dying when you bin a bigger bike because you haven't learned to ride properly.
HoorayForYou
19th February 2012, 20:04
Personally I believe this to be a bad idea. Being fat won't stop you from dying when you bin a bigger bike because you haven't learned to ride properly.
Aye - not dying is reasonably high up on my list of priorities...
As long as I am not going to be less safe on a 250 due to the lard, then I am certainly Ok with paying my dues and learning on a smaller, lighter bike.
Looking at the specs for the Ninja, it would seem to have plenty of power for safe riding/overtaking etc as well as the ability to cruise at highway speeds for commuting, though I really don't have any practical understanding as to how much the extra rider weight impacts the acceleration and performance of a bike with a smaller displacement?
I can't be bothered to deal with anything that is going to start dying on me or falling to bits after half hour, so perhaps the Hyosung ain't such a hot idea.
Cheers all for the feedback.
matdaymon
19th February 2012, 20:08
If you're set on a 250cc I'd happily recommend a Hyosung GT250 (so long as it's post 2005). I've had a 2005 GT250 for a few years now and despite the BS most people love to spout about Hyo's being crap I have had no problems with it in the 3.5years of ownership. Full sized frame is comfortable and not cramped like I found some of the other 250 models out there. The EFI ones are built far better than the carb'd ones however if your budget goes that far and have better instrumentation IMO.
BUT
Like others have said, come August 2012 NZ will have LAMS (learner approved motorcycle system) so you'd be able to get a decent sized bike with a little bit more ooomph for your 120kgs that will most likely keep your happy for longer than a 250
jrandom
19th February 2012, 20:09
As long as I am not going to be less safe on a 250 due to the lard
You'll be fine.
Looking at the specs for the Ninja, it would seem to have plenty of power for safe riding/overtaking etc as well as the ability to cruise at highway speeds for commuting
Small bikes are choice. I've done about 35,000km on Scorpios around Auckland and the North Island countryside. No worries. You just have to get your head out of the "I must be faster than everything else" mindset. Think of it as a bicycle that you don't have to pedal and that will do 100kph!
I can't be bothered to deal with anything that is going to start dying on me or falling to bits after half hour, so perhaps the Hyosung ain't such a hot idea.
Hyosungs probably aren't as bad as they were to start with, I'm sure.
But, y'know, I'd still much rather have a Yamaha or a Kawasaki. Give it another ten years of improvements in Korean quality control and that opinion might start shifting.
I wouldn't've bought a Japanese machine in 1950, either.
jrandom
19th February 2012, 20:12
despite the BS most people love to spout about Hyo's being crap I have had no problems with it in the 3.5years of ownership
That's the problem with quality control issues - most people's bikes will be fine. It's just that the percentage that lunch themselves during normal operation will be higher. That percentage was noticeable in Hyosungs up until a few years ago. Maybe they've fixed all the problems now and every machine out of the factory is a goodun. Dunno. Wouldn't bet my own cash and transport requirements on it just yet though.
HoorayForYou
19th February 2012, 20:13
BUT
Like others have said, come August 2012 NZ will have LAMS (learner approved motorcycle system) so you'd be able to get a decent sized bike with a little bit more ooomph for your 120kgs that will most likely keep your happy for longer than a 250
My understanding on this is that part of the new legislation will require all new bikers to hold their restricted for 12 months, regardless of age, before being able to take their full license?
Wouldn't normally be a problem, but I have a self-imposed deadline of June 2013 to have my full license!
Out of interest and in complete defiance of my "no dying" stance, have people on the forum around my size/weight successfully obtained an exemption?
Cheers
jrandom
19th February 2012, 20:19
have people on the forum around my size/weight successfully obtained an exemption?
Yeah. One of them then binned his 600 and died.
jaffaonajappa
19th February 2012, 20:20
Out of interest and in complete defiance of my "no dying" stance, have people on the forum around my size/weight successfully obtained an exemption?
Cheers
Yes.
Suzuki 800cc Cruiser - seen legally ridden by a newbie L plate guy from these forums a while ago. Seemed to perform similar to a 250 4cyl really....but in a relaxed fashion lol.
Its not the bike that will kill you, its the riding style and 'attitude' that can kill.
Me? Id be looking at a 650 Virago or 650 Kwaka twin. (should be LAMS legal soon, and can be exempted already).
HoorayForYou
19th February 2012, 20:21
Small bikes are choice. I've done about 35,000km on Scorpios around Auckland and the North Island countryside. No worries. You just have to get your head out of the "I must be faster than everything else" mindset. Think of it as a bicycle that you don't have to pedal and that will do 100kph!
Good point, well made.
I am still adjusting to the NZ roads after spending the last 6 years in Dubai, where you drive everywhere at 120-160kph...
Given most of my formative riding will be done round town at 50kph with only the occasional foray onto the highway or the out-of-town-twisties where the limit is 100 anyway (and I am stuck at 70kph on a learners?), I guess 30-odd HP should be more than enough to keep me safe and entertained...
:)
actungbaby
19th February 2012, 20:21
Ullo forum.
I know this question has been asked elsewhere, but opinions seemed to differ so much, I thought I would try and nail down a more definitive answer with your help...
I am looking to get my NZ bike license, starting from scratch with my basic handling in the next few weeks.
(FWIW I am 34 years old and have held a full drivers license for yonks...)
Due to excessive pie consumption, I clock in at around 120kg (and am just over 6 foot tall), so I will be looking for a decent 250cc which will safely haul my bulk around without needing to modify brakes or springs and that hopefully won't give up the ghost on the steeper hills...
Initial research seems to suggest something like a Hyosung GT250 would best fit the bill?
Am I actually just worrying unnecessarily here - will most modern 250's cope with my fat arse?
Thanks in advance for your assistance and insults.
:)
I look into turbo charger and striping of all the parts aprat from handle bars foot pegs and
engine is a option pedals ?
A good solex anyone if there such a thing hehe
seriously if you thinking new why not a cbr 250 its got good torque
Oh ride a pushbike to work i did and i gone from 103 kg to 93kgs
or ride the bike with litre petrol in the tank and run with it the test the way get you trim in no time
Then go into the local dealer tell them if you dont give you a good deal your sit on them
Mind you some might like that leave and find another dealer
seriously i whould not go to big a bike in weight or power as that was the biggest mistake i made
went from 90cc to a 400cc if i done riding course it whould have been okay but learnt by falling of alot
mind you i was 16 then not anymore , you can get away with more on smaller bike for sure
Leave more room in the wet when following again one lessons i learnt esp with drum brakes hehe
nzspokes
19th February 2012, 20:23
Scorpio for sale here. Owner about same size as you.
http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php/146616-2007-Yamaha-Scorpio-with-heaps-of-extras?p=1130252557#post1130252557
DrunkenMistake
19th February 2012, 20:28
That's the problem with quality control issues - most people's bikes will be fine. It's just that the percentage that lunch themselves during normal operation will be higher. That percentage was noticeable in Hyosungs up until a few years ago. Maybe they've fixed all the problems now and every machine out of the factory is a goodun. Dunno. Wouldn't bet my own cash and transport requirements on it just yet though.
My Gt650 has around 10,000km on the clock, so you could almost call it new, after owning it for a month I had two major issues, one been the reg/rec and stator, second been the front master cylinder sucking in moisture and corroding to shit on the inside,
other than that I have found it to be an enjoyable bike with ALOT of usable power.
My understanding on this is that part of the new legislation will require all new bikers to hold their restricted for 12 months, regardless of age, before being able to take their full license?
Wouldn't normally be a problem, but I have a self-imposed deadline of June 2013 to have my full license!
Out of interest and in complete defiance of my "no dying" stance, have people on the forum around my size/weight successfully obtained an exemption?
Cheers
Mate, im about ... 5'4 - 5'5 short ass, and I think im up around the 100kg mark, though Im not huge, its just puppy fat that a little exercise would probably sort out, but lets be honest, thats hard work... I think you are worrying just a little too much, If you have face book check out the fat bikers group, ( http://www.facebook.com/groups/174067929287610/ ) or go to the website ( http://www.fatbikersmc.co.nz/ ), I had an older CBR 250R which had alot of guts but wasnt a very big bike, and it was sweet as to ride, done a 2,000km round trip on it, I also had loan of a Scorpio 225 which wasnt the worlds quickest bike, but For such a wee bike it was alot of fun!
Dont worry about the whole 'can is haul my ass' shit or your just gonna get hung up on the wrong stuff, IF you are REALLY anal about it, go with the Hyo or similar as its a Twin and has alot of power lower in the Rev range, otherwise you could look at cruisers, I.E a Yamaha Virago or Hyo GV250
Hope this helps a little!
jrandom
19th February 2012, 20:35
Me? Id be looking at a 650 Virago or 650 Kwaka twin. (should be LAMS legal soon, and can be exempted already).
An 883 Sportster is a really nice bike, with similar power-to-weight again. $14K brand new is a lot of money to drop on a learner machine, though, and you can't easily do a 1200cc conversion in due course any more, either.
But if you got money to spend... probably the choicest of the probably-gonna-be-LAMS-legal bikes.
matdaymon
19th February 2012, 20:40
From what I understand the restricted to LAMS spec bikes (such as the Kawa 650's and Hyo 650's) can be brought up to full power relatively easily so you could have one of those bikes for a longer period of time than a regular learner bike. Just food for thought
jmlt
19th February 2012, 20:44
Hi, 6'4 here and 125kg and the hyo GT250R did the work perfectly
enough power to to send you anywhere and big size frame so perfect to prepare for a bigger engine once you get your full
no need to ask for exemption, I thought a lot about it but the Hyo is good to learn
DrunkenMistake
19th February 2012, 20:44
From what I understand the restricted to LAMS spec bikes (such as the Kawa 650's and Hyo 650's) can be brought up to full power relatively easily so you could have one of those bikes for a longer period of time than a regular learner bike. Just food for thought
basicly the case,
I know with the Hyos, its just a matter of a couple of washers added to somewhere retarded in the flux-capistor-powerband-airbox area, I guess you could always get the bike 'restricted' or buy one restricted then rerestrict it, I would think that if you rode sensibly then noone would be the wiser.
Tigadee
19th February 2012, 20:52
Am I actually just worrying unnecessarily here - will most modern 250's cope with my fat arse?
I'm 6' 1" and 110kgs and really most comfortable would be a largish cruiser like the GV250 or Honda Magna 250. Other cruisers would be too small, like the Marauder and Intruder, Lifan 250, Honda Rebel and Virago. Road and sports bikes could be a possibility but they could be cramped for big 'more-to-love' fellas like us. I've got a Yamaha Scorpio and a Kymco Venox [copy of the Honda Magna 250 cruiser]. Both are comfortable for a tall large person, although the Scorpio is fairly lightweight, so it feels the wind sometimes [advantage is that it's easy to handle and to get through traffic].
Most 250s will cope with lugging us around but what I've found in my [limited] experience so far is:
1. Increase tyre pressure slightly to compensate for heavier load
2. Adjust suspension to highest/hardest setting, as our weight will bring down the seat height, which will result in a harder ride and cramped legs
3. Taller seat height [i.e. tall bike] isn't necessarily better, especially if bike is heavy [e.g. Hysoung GT250 Comet) - as we would end up making the bike top-heavy, resulting in instability in windy conditions, and a harder fall
4. Make sure the bike you want has a wide comfy seat - makes a world of difference!
You could try to qualify for an exemption - I did apply and was approved for one, but the string attached was that I had to choose and buy one bike and one bike only out of their [mostly antiquated] list - most of which were vintage or not-so-common bikes. Some of the more modern ones were too expensive while others were above 600cc and up one level in rego fees and other costs. Also, searching on Trade Me showed that there is a scarcity of between-251cc-to-600cc bikes, as compared to 250cc-or-less bikes, or above-600cc bikes.
DrunkenMistake
19th February 2012, 20:58
Uh on the note of sports bikes,
If you do find that the old gut is in the way and you just cant find a bike to fit,
Try a naked sports or something that has a more upright neutral position so your not leaning or stretched over the tank, may help a bit
HoorayForYou
19th February 2012, 21:01
Cheers all - this has been really helpful.
:)
I am going to crack on with the basic handling etc, comfortable in the knowledge that there are suitable 250s for me out there...Can't really wait until August and the LAMS as I need my full license before June 2013!
Applying for an exemption?
Not sure - I can completely understand the reasons against, though it would be nice to buy something that would get me through the first 2 years comfortably, rather than spunking away a comparatively large amount on a 250 that I will likely want to sell on within a year.
Still, better a 250 than a red smear...
jrandom
19th February 2012, 21:06
Not sure - I can completely understand the reasons against, though it would be nice to buy something that would get me through the first 2 years comfortably
Yeah... people talk about 250s 'lugging you around', but you'll still be quicker from 0-100 than 95% of everything else on the road.
HoorayForYou
19th February 2012, 21:07
You could try to qualify for an exemption - I did apply and was approved for one, but the string attached was that I had to choose and buy one bike and one bike only out of their [mostly antiquated] list - most of which were vintage or not-so-common bikes. Some of the more modern ones were too expensive while others were above 600cc and up one level in rego fees and other costs. Also, searching on Trade Me showed that there is a scarcity of between-251cc-to-600cc bikes, as compared to 250cc-or-less bikes, or above-600cc bikes.
Thanks for the input...
Any chance of pointing me to that list, if it is available online?
Uh on the note of sports bikes,
If you do find that the old gut is in the way and you just cant find a bike to fit,
Try a naked sports or something that has a more upright neutral position so your not leaning or stretched over the tank, may help a bit
...was thinking maybe a girdle of some kind?
;)
Fatt Max
19th February 2012, 21:07
Plenty of fat cunts on this forum dude, no need to worry about being insulted.
The Hyosung or a Kawasaki Ninja 250 would work fine for you. I'd go for the Kawasaki, because it's probably less likely to break.
Stand by for everyone who's been lucky enough to buy a Hyosung that didn't break turning up in here to tell you that Hyosungs don't break. You'd still do better to get a Kawasaki, of course.
:sunny:
Heck, even a Yamaha Scorpio. I was perfectly happy on one at 115kg a few years back. 150kg is more the point at which your motorcycle choices become limited, not 120.
Just been to wellington and back on my Hyosung GV250 and she ran frikken great. 2,000 odd km's in 5 days plus a shit load of eating and drinking and she didnt miss a beat.......
My arse did feel like I had just had a weekend with the Honda Civic Owners Club mind, so maybe a bit of work on the seat is required....
Tigadee
19th February 2012, 21:09
My arse did feel like I had just had a weekend with the Honda Civic Owners Club mind, so maybe a bit of work on the seat is required....
Definitely! Factory seats are made for little Asians...
Tigadee
19th February 2012, 21:13
There is no official NZ LAMS list yet, but the Vicroads list is a good starting place:
http://www.vicroads.vic.gov.au/Home/Licences/OtherLicences/MotorcycleLicences/Approvedmotorcyclesfornoviceriders.htm
nzmikey
19th February 2012, 21:14
Ullo forum.
I know this question has been asked elsewhere, but opinions seemed to differ so much, I thought I would try and nail down a more definitive answer with your help...
I am looking to get my NZ bike license, starting from scratch with my basic handling in the next few weeks.
(FWIW I am 34 years old and have held a full drivers license for yonks...)
Due to excessive pie consumption, I clock in at around 120kg (and am just over 6 foot tall), so I will be looking for a decent 250cc which will safely haul my bulk around without needing to modify brakes or springs and that hopefully won't give up the ghost on the steeper hills...
Initial research seems to suggest something like a Hyosung GT250 would best fit the bill?
Am I actually just worrying unnecessarily here - will most modern 250's cope with my fat arse?
Thanks in advance for your assistance and insults.
:)
Heh come join the FMBC http://www.forum.fatbikersmc.co.nz/ucp.php?i=pm&mode=view&f=0&p=5
Bunch of lardys on bikes ..... they are also on Facebook just search for Fat Bikers on there or do a search on here for Fat Max .
haydes55
19th February 2012, 21:41
Look into motards. Owned an FZR (4cyl), Hyo GT250R and now a KLX250. I'm a small guy, the FZR was a good size for a shortass like myself. Sat on a Honda VTR250 (felt tiny), same goes for the Kawasaki Ninja, I'm only 174cm tall and that bike felt tiny. The Hyo was a good bike, no issues, great power, nice big feel and the V-Twin means great torque.
However (Hyo gone now due to crash :bash:) got me a Motard and it is great to ride. Much higher seat height, upright riding position, plenty of grunt (not much top end but plenty to sit at 100km/h). Using it as a daily commuter and weekend fun bike. Very forgiving for a learner as well. Can even brake midcorner (softly) give it gas way earlier in the corner and passes with ease down the straights.
Biggest bonus is single cyl and not many fairings so easy/cheap maintenance. Plus you can get a 250 enduro bike registered on the road with road tyres and if that isn't enough power most 250 enduro bikes have a big brother whose top end will bolt on without anyone knowing.
baptist
19th February 2012, 22:37
Heh come join the FMBC http://www.forum.fatbikersmc.co.nz/ucp.php?i=pm&mode=view&f=0&p=5
Bunch of lardys on bikes ..... they are also on Facebook just search for Fat Bikers on there or do a search on here for Fat Max .
+1 Come join the wobbly riders and enjoy two wheels... I weigh in at 100kg and I had a Scorpio for commuting (still miss it!). It was a very reliable and practical machine and coped with my gut on a daily basis :yes: so a 250 would do you. My 2c worth.... now come on and join the fun.:wings::ride::ride:
Hoarn
20th February 2012, 17:42
I'm a little over 6'0 and geared up somewhere near 160kgs. Started riding about 6 months ago on a Kymco Venox 250cc cruiser I bought new for around $6500.
Because I had the same concerns as you a did quite a lot of researching and from all the reviews and specs, went for this over the Hyosung. It's just a Honda Magna re-boxed after Honda decided to stop making them and the factory in Taiwan decided to release them itself.
I've found it to be really comfortable, handles well, and for me responds really well up to about the 90km mark and then starts to run out of gas. still hits 100 fine but not a huge amount more. You'll get more out of it I'm sure coming in about 40kgs less, but given the speed limit, I can't see that being an issue anyway.
I've had absolutely no issues, despite the doom and gloom merchants about various bikes made in the asiatic region, so I'd recommend it. Looks a whole lot better imo too than the Aquila <_<
Tigadee
20th February 2012, 18:10
Yupe, the Venox is a beauty alright!
HoorayForYou
20th February 2012, 19:51
+1 Come join the wobbly riders and enjoy two wheels... I weigh in at 100kg and I had a Scorpio for commuting (still miss it!). It was a very reliable and practical machine and coped with my gut on a daily basis :yes: so a 250 would do you. My 2c worth.... now come on and join the fun.:wings::ride::ride:
Oh I am sure I will be making my presence felt at some suitable biking socials once I get cracking!
...as a committed salad-dodger, the wobblies will probably be my kinda crowd.
I'm a little over 6'0 and geared up somewhere near 160kgs. Started riding about 6 months ago on a Kymco Venox 250cc cruiser I bought new for around $6500.
Because I had the same concerns as you a did quite a lot of researching and from all the reviews and specs, went for this over the Hyosung. It's just a Honda Magna re-boxed after Honda decided to stop making them and the factory in Taiwan decided to release them itself.
Yupe, the Venox is a beauty alright!
Interesting!
I will add it to the list - cheers.
Tricia1000
21st February 2012, 04:07
If you haven't already done your BHS, contact me on 021 269 3246, and when you come along to do it, I can give you an idea of the best bike. If your size is as you say, def avoid the CBR or Bandit 250. I have previously had students on both, and both got exemptions to 400's, due to not being able to do a hill start, or pull out of an intersection that has a slight incline.
After October the LAMS will be in place, so there will be a bigger range available, but you could almost have done your full by then, (depending on age).
Give me a shout on 021 269 3246, to discuss your options.
Regards,
Tricia
HoorayForYou
21st February 2012, 07:40
If you haven't already done your BHS, contact me on 021 269 3246, and when you come along to do it, I can give you an idea of the best bike. If your size is as you say, def avoid the CBR or Bandit 250. I have previously had students on both, and both got exemptions to 400's, due to not being able to do a hill start, or pull out of an intersection that has a slight incline.
Cheers Tricia - expect a call soonish!
Tricia1000
22nd February 2012, 07:30
The 70 kph restriction was lifted at the beginning of last October.
You may now ride up to the national speed limit where permitted. 100km. Much safer for you.
Tricia
Good point, well made.
I am still adjusting to the NZ roads after spending the last 6 years in Dubai, where you drive everywhere at 120-160kph...
Given most of my formative riding will be done round town at 50kph with only the occasional foray onto the highway or the out-of-town-twisties where the limit is 100 anyway (and I am stuck at 70kph on a learners?), I guess 30-odd HP should be more than enough to keep me safe and entertained...
:)
DrunkenMistake
22nd February 2012, 08:55
def avoid the CBR or Bandit 250. I have previously had students on both, and both got exemptions to 400's, due to not being able to do a hill start, or pull out of an intersection that has a slight incline.
Lmao, its because people dont realise there is no torque untill 11,000rpm so to do a hill start you have to do a drag start on the hill..
nzmikey
22nd February 2012, 13:50
Lmao, its because people dont realise there is no torque untill 11,000rpm so to do a hill start you have to do a drag start on the hill..
Soo what you are saying is that I am in need of a bigger bike ???
I thought it was normal to sit at the lights ...... Wait for the Green ...... then Slip the clutch at 9,000rpm & smash it through the gears untill you get to 3rd :wacko:
( mind you I do live in Auckland, on the shore & everyone TRYS to kill you when you are on a bike ) :lol:
jaffaonajappa
22nd February 2012, 14:27
nope. you don't "need" a bigger bike.
I ride a 150 daily commute on the shore. It takes off from the lights no worries from 2,000 rpm. Yup, thats a one fifty.
But some of us are recommending a bigger bike. Kinda depends on your age and (life?) experiences I guess....if you have a temptation to be a larakin - get a 250, its Safer than a faster or bigger bike I guess. If you think you can control your throttle use, consider something bigger.
The LAMS laws are coming about for a reason. People have been arguing for...over 30 years?...that our 250cc limit was stupid, and a power/weight limitation makes more sense. Considering your build, and assuming you aren't 16.....
Either way. what ever you do get - don't look back, and Ride it heaps!
5150
22nd February 2012, 14:32
I look into turbo charger and striping of all the parts aprat from handle bars foot pegs and
engine is a option pedals ?
A good solex anyone if there such a thing hehe
seriously if you thinking new why not a cbr 250 its got good torque
Oh ride a pushbike to work i did and i gone from 103 kg to 93kgs
or ride the bike with litre petrol in the tank and run with it the test the way get you trim in no time
Then go into the local dealer tell them if you dont give you a good deal your sit on them
Mind you some might like that leave and find another dealer
seriously i whould not go to big a bike in weight or power as that was the biggest mistake i made
went from 90cc to a 400cc if i done riding course it whould have been okay but learnt by falling of alot
mind you i was 16 then not anymore , you can get away with more on smaller bike for sure
Leave more room in the wet when following again one lessons i learnt esp with drum brakes hehe
Fuck trying to learn to ride. You my friend need to go back to school and learn to speak/write proper English.....:crazy:
Coolz
22nd February 2012, 14:38
If you were to go for the exemption a Suzuki gs500 would be a good bike to look at. Cheap to maintain,easy to handle with enough power for your weight, delivered smoothly with no hidden surprises. I've seen tidy 05's go for $3500 on trademe. I think there is a thread about them on here somewhere.
G4L4XY
22nd February 2012, 15:18
If youIf you buy a new hyosung then the warranty will cover you when/if it falls apart, if you buy a second hand one it should be ok, the more you use it the more chance it has of breaking down (as with anything)
My mate has a late model ninja 250, he's done 40,000ish k's and hasn't had any problems. My hyo though i've had to replace steering bearings, the speedo has been replaced and is fucked again, it had a random problem where the revs would randomly cutout sometimes but other times it doesn't happen. It has an issue where it's sluggish for like 5-10 seconds in like 3rd gear, sometimes fourth, but if you change gear then it comes out of it's sluggish phase.
jaffaonajappa
22nd February 2012, 22:28
If youIf you buy a new hyosung then the warranty will cover you when/if it falls apart, if you buy a second hand one it should be ok, the more you use it the more chance it has of breaking down (as with anything)
My mate has a late model ninja 250, he's done 40,000ish k's and hasn't had any problems. My hyo though i've had to replace steering bearings, the speedo has been replaced and is fucked again, it had a random problem where the revs would randomly cutout sometimes but other times it doesn't happen. It has an issue where it's sluggish for like 5-10 seconds in like 3rd gear, sometimes fourth, but if you change gear then it comes out of it's sluggish phase.
What year is it? And assuming its the GT-R ?
Tricia1000
23rd February 2012, 09:34
If you buy a new Hyosung GT250 from the Hyosung shop on Barrys point Road, and then 18 months or less later, take it back to them, and trade it in against the 650 model, they will give you the full price you paid, as your trade in price, even though it is now, technically , a new bike.
Tricia
What year is it? And assuming its the GT-R ?
nzmikey
23rd February 2012, 13:30
nope. you don't "need" a bigger bike.
I ride a 150 daily commute on the shore. It takes off from the lights no worries from 2,000 rpm. Yup, thats a one fifty.
But some of us are recommending a bigger bike. Kinda depends on your age and (life?) experiences I guess....if you have a temptation to be a larakin - get a 250, its Safer than a faster or bigger bike I guess. If you think you can control your throttle use, consider something bigger.
The LAMS laws are coming about for a reason. People have been arguing for...over 30 years?...that our 250cc limit was stupid, and a power/weight limitation makes more sense. Considering your build, and assuming you aren't 16.....
Either way. what ever you do get - don't look back, and Ride it heaps!
Yeah I was taking the piss with "DrunkenMistake" ..... I dont need a bigger bike but I am getting my 600 ( when funds permit ) in a few months, as much as I love my wee 250 Hornet that goes like a raped cat btw ......I miss the bigger bikes.
As for Stats I am 31 , 95kg , 5'5 & some what level headed, yes I admit to being a hoon & doing some dumb shit but tell me a biker that does not now & then, I also have 2 little girls at home who love there daddy & his bike ...... there is enough reason in it's self not to be a complete cock .
Tigadee
23rd February 2012, 14:51
...I also have 2 little girls at home who love there daddy & his bike ...... there is enough reason in it's self not to be a complete cock .
Same here... Good on ya! :2thumbsup
jaffaonajappa
23rd February 2012, 16:17
If you buy a new Hyosung GT250 from the Hyosung shop on Barrys point Road, and then 18 months or less later, take it back to them, and trade it in against the 650 model, they will give you the full price you paid, as your trade in price, even though it is now, technically , a new bike.
Tricia
Hmmm, you might have a better relationship with these guys than most of us Tricia.
If we are talking about the shop under Cycletreads....they do not offer the 'full' price towards a 650. But yes, they do have some ok sounding deals when trading up - using an "agreed" price. Was led to believe its 1 to 2k less that the full price...probable worth checking out....if they had a decent 650 lol.
Old Steve
23rd February 2012, 17:15
I've just completed 24,000 km in 22 months on my Hyosung GV250, GLORIA, and now moved onto a larger bike to suit my 6F status. I was 100 kg but a bit shorter than you, but could do rides of 300 to 400 km. Towards the end of my relationship with GLORIA as I rode a little harder, I'd get 350 + km from a tank (down from the initial 450 km when I was just starting out). If I could afford two regos I'd keep her as she's a great comuter bike, looks large for good visibility, but bars aren't too wide to prevent filtering through stopped traffic.
I'd suggest you buy a second hand bike, whatever make and style you choose. As a learner you will scratch and ding her a little, most learners have at least one attempt at parking without the side stand out! You'll want to change to a bigger bike when you get your full licence, probably something bigger than a 650 and you won't lose so much in depretiation if you start on a cheaper used bike. I believe a 250 is an ideal learner's bike, and a 250 cruiser is better still as it'll have it's CofG lower and feel easier to ride.
My GLORIA was comfortable and reliable, and is currently for sale too - just search for Hyosung and GV250 on Bike Trader.
Tricia1000
23rd February 2012, 17:42
I have spoken to them about this a number of times, and they have re-iterated that the deal is as I said above. You buy a new GT250 and when you trade up to a new gt650 they give you the full price on a trade. I have never bought from there, cos, I already have my fleet of bikes for now. But I can talk to them on your behalf if you like.
Tricia
Hmmm, you might have a better relationship with these guys than most of us Tricia.
If we are talking about the shop under Cycletreads....they do not offer the 'full' price towards a 650. But yes, they do have some ok sounding deals when trading up - using an "agreed" price. Was led to believe its 1 to 2k less that the full price...probable worth checking out....if they had a decent 650 lol.
G4L4XY
24th February 2012, 09:50
What year is it? And assuming its the GT-R ?
Mines a 2006 GTR model of course :P
The suggestion tricia has is pretty solid, as long as you dont crash it, buy a new hyo and trade it back in for full price when you've got your full thats awesome!!
HoorayForYou
24th February 2012, 14:21
Well I still haven't done my basic handling yet as I am waiting to hear on a job before I commit to yet another money sink...
I did however pop down to Red Baron and sat my fat arse on a few 250s to try for size. (Cheers to Jon for being so helpful and friendly!)
The Ninja felt surprisingly large and comfy...except my legs felt a little cramped and I guess I would ideally like something a little longer 'twixt seat and pegs.
The Hyosung GT250 felt pretty decent too, so perhaps I am worrying unnecessarily about the physical size of the learner legals.
Whether I will have issues with a lack of take-off torque, stability or stopping power on these smaller capacity, lighter bikes I guess I will find out when I finally get to ride one!
Thanks again all for your continued thoughts and suggestions.
:)
HoorayForYou
24th February 2012, 14:28
To add; I was also told at Red Baron that there are now no more of the 2011 FI Ninjas left and probably won't be for quite some time, which is annoying...and the 2010s are going fast too.
Conquiztador
24th February 2012, 22:07
write to NZTA - some fellas on here have already rec'd the 250cc learners exemption - iirc the usual reason on the application is "physical size' - i.e. 6ft+ or over 100kg.
And who said eating pies doesn't pay?
We sorted that for my oldest boy. And he was not even fat! HERE
(http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php/62783-Exemption-dispensation-granted!!!)
quickbuck
25th February 2012, 18:07
To add; I was also told at Red Baron that there are now no more of the 2011 FI Ninjas left and probably won't be for quite some time, which is annoying...and the 2010s are going fast too.
There is one at AFC in Palmerston North. I saw it this morning. It is Black.
They can ship to you too....
BUT questionhas to be asked about this listing: http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/sports/auction-360208485.htm
psykonosis
26th February 2012, 17:57
Once you get your learner licence at least you'll be able to take a few bikes out for a spin to see how you feel on it. Though, as a few people have posted already if you can get the exemption then go for it. At least feel comfortable and safe on your bike. All the best for your test mate
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