The latest Brain Fart

[mashman]

Young beneficiaries offered incentives (http://nz.news.yahoo.com/a/-/top-stories/13025123/young-beneficiaries-offered-incentives/#)

"Young beneficiaries will be offered a monetary incentive to train under changes announced by the Government today.

Many of the changes was announced during the election campaign.

A $10 a week incentive will be paid to young people who continue in training, complete a budgeting course and for teen parents who do a parenting course.

Young people will also have their rent and power paid for them with an allowance and payment card for living expenses.

Widows and women over 50 and living alone will be expected to be available for work along with those on the DPB with children over five."

Awesomeness, here comes the allowance card.

[GingerMidget]

I've got an idea.

DPB? palm the kids off to the grandparents and get a part time job. Even if its shovelling shit.

Been made redundant and can't find work you want? get off your pedestal and find something. doesn't matter if it doesn't pay well enough, its something.

Sickness benefit? if its depression or something like that, make an effort to get better, and find a part time job. Yes I realise its not that easy, speaking from experience of depression, but sitting on your arse all day will make it worse than actually getting out and doing something with yourself. Can't work at all? go volunteer at the spca. Walk some puppies. Its been proven animals are good for stress, and exercise gives you endorphins. endorphins stop me throwing things at people.

They also hype me up and make me talk too much :doh:

[mashman]

I've got an idea.

DPB? palm the kids off to the grandparents and get a part time job. Even if its shovelling shit.

Been made redundant and can't find work you want? get off your pedestal and find something. doesn't matter if it doesn't pay well enough, its something.

Sickness benefit? if its depression or something like that, make an effort to get better, and find a part time job. Yes I realise its not that easy, speaking from experience of depression, but sitting on your arse all day will make it worse than actually getting out and doing something with yourself. Can't work at all? go volunteer at the spca. Walk some puppies. Its been proven animals are good for stress, and exercise gives you endorphins. endorphins stop me throwing things at people.

They also hype me up and make me talk too much :doh:

Do the grandparents get paid? The kids will listen to the grandparents right?

Is it going to cost more travelling too and from work than you spend in bills that would justify landing your kids on someone that probably really really doesn't want them?

[GingerMidget]

This is why I don't want kids. I don't care enough. I'm sorry.

[mashman]

This is why I don't want kids. I don't care enough. I'm sorry.

:rofl:... you're not alone.

[mashman]

She has some fair points imho (http://nz.news.yahoo.com/a/-/top-stories/13028257/government-welfare-onslaught-begins-aaap/)... I can see crime stats going up too... I'm sure there was a thread that touched on that somewhere around here.

Government welfare reforms go ahead (http://nz.news.yahoo.com/a/-/top-stories/13018696/government-welfare-reforms-go-ahead/)... "Those with children over 14 have to be available for full-time work."... old enough to look after themselves, old enough to vote... there's a thread about that too :rofl:

"Prime Minister John Key said he made no apologies for the changes because the current welfare system was unsustainable.

Mr Key says about 13 per cent of the working age population, 350,000 people supporting 225,000 children, are on some sort of benefit.

"It's costing $20 million a day, $8 billion a year, and I think most New Zealanders would say that's too much," he said."

bwaaaaa ha ha ha ha haaaaaaaa. I'm sure most New Zealanders would :shifty:

[mashman]

Non-govt providers' key role in reforms (http://nz.news.yahoo.com/a/-/top-stories/13029857/non-govt-providers-key-role-in-reforms/) "The government will provide funding to work alongside some 14,000 at-risk youth, 3,000 of whom are on a benefit.

A further 11,000 are not in employment or education and are not claiming government support."

bwaaaaa aha ha ha ahaaaaaaaaa... WTF, poking their noses into 11,000 lives where it clearly isn't wanted or needed.

""We're blatantly targeting that 14,000," Ms Bennett said.

"That's how you stop them still being NEET (not in employment, education or trading) at 21, 22."

You vill do vot vee tell you or you vill stay NEET.

[Madness]

$10 a week doesn't even buy half a tinnie these days, does it? Meh.

[Brian d marge]

8 billion,,,,meeeehhh thats a drop in the ocean compared to how much these "Oldies " cost us , sitting around all day , drinking tea using the buses for free

Get a haircut gran , and get a real job

Stephen

[TrentNz]

This is why I don't want kids. I don't care enough. I'm sorry.

Lol

:facepalm:

Nothing wrong with kids, its just the way you bring them up that matters

[GingerMidget]

Lol

:facepalm:

Nothing wrong with kids, its just the way you bring them up that matters

Please don't breed.

[pete376403]

Do the grandparents get paid?

They can be paid - eg my wife is a registered home care provider with Porse, so she is paid 20 hours a week to look after our grandkids (twins) while our daughter is at work. Doesn't pay much, though, and Kath has the kids for a lot more than the official 20 hours.

[TrentNz]

Please don't breed.

Sooo, how bout it :love:

[mashman]

They can be paid - eg my wife is a registered home care provider with Porse, so she is paid 20 hours a week to look after our grandkids (twins) while our daughter is at work. Doesn't pay much, though, and Kath has the kids for a lot more than the official 20 hours.

Nice. There's a few around here that do Porse, some like it, some don't :shutup:. Wonder if ya could get paid to look after yer own kids?

[flyingcrocodile46]

355,000 adults (on benifit) plus their 225,000 children (600,000 of them)

That's a shit load of a burden on our taxes.

I can't afford this burden that I had no part in creating.

I welcome reductions in this burden.

[superman]

"Sole parents on a benefit who have additional children will be required to work part-time when their baby is one."

:eek:

The government are good cunts. PUNISH THE BREEDING BENEFICIARIES!

[GingerMidget]

Sooo, how bout it :love:

:nono:
oh,
and

:nya:

[mashman]

355,000 adults (on benifit) plus their 225,000 children (600,000 of them)

That's a shit load of a burden on our taxes.

I can't afford this burden that I had no part in creating.

I welcome reductions in this burden.

Some sort of benefit. Working for families perhaps. Wonder how many of them are claiming WFF when they can well afford not to. I know of 2 personally and I could structure my affairs to make that 355,001, but I'm in the minority that gives a shit.

[TrentNz]

:nono:
oh,
and

:nya:

.... i know where you work. :clap:

[GingerMidget]

And you live in Christchurch. I'm small, and I have red hair. I also do kick boxing for fun. Game on.

[TrentNz]

I'm small, and I have red hair.
Never mind...
ill loose
gingas are crazy bitches.

[superman]

I'm small, and I have red hair. I also do kick boxing for fun. Game on.

Is it just me or does this sound like the preface to a porno...

[TrentNz]

Is it just me or does this sound like the preface to a porno...

Did i mention I'm a personal trainer

:msn-wink:

[GingerMidget]

Good for you sunshine.

See my caring face?

Wait. Me neither.

Back to topic now.

If you've been on a benefit more than 12 months, get off it, get off your lazy ass, and get a job.

[slofox]

This is why I don't want kids. I don't care enough. I'm sorry.

One day you will remember saying this.

[flyingcrocodile46]

Many (real) tax payers can't afford their own homes, yet their taxes are used to help pay the mortgages of some beneficiaries. Those houses are typically appreciating in value to provide the beneficiaries a nice little nest egg that some of the (real) tax payers will never see.

How the fuck is that seen as appropriate distribution of taxes?

[flyingcrocodile46]

Good for you sunshine.

See my caring face?

Wait. Me neither.

Back to topic now.

If you've been on a benefit more than 12 months, get off it, get off your lazy ass, and get a job.

Seconded, but make if 12 weeks

[GingerMidget]

I like the way you think.

[TrentNz]

I don't support the benefit anymore then you all do, but the fact is shit happens and sometimes you need it for a while to get back on your feet.

[mashman]

Many (real) tax payers can't afford their own homes, yet their taxes are used to help pay the mortgages of some beneficiaries. Those houses are typically appreciating in value to provide the beneficiaries a nice little nest egg that some of the (real) tax payers will never see.

How the fuck is that seen as appropriate distribution of taxes?

And their taxes are used to pay for some politicians mortgages too. They can obviously afford it with their huge, in comparison to the beneficiary, salaries and perks. Some taxes are used to bail out companies that fail, as well as paying back billions of $ plus interest to the gamblers and all because the government guaranteed them.

I don't see that as an appropriate distribution of taxes? Neither do I see legalised tax dodging as an appropriate distribution of taxes. People hit hard times, some decide to scam the system, some get back up, some struggle to make ends meet without assistance, so why make everyone else pay for the actions of a minority? especially where full employment is undesirable? Why do you feel like you're being ripped off? It's a minority, a tiny tiny minority of career bludgers. The rest are part of the "rotating work pool" and get pissed on because they don't get paid enough and have to claim for assistance. Hey ho.

[flyingcrocodile46]

I don't support the benefit anymore then you all do, but the fact is shit happens and sometimes you need it for a while to get back on your feet.

yup, but it is out of whack. Lazy bludgers have been allowed to milk the system (the generous nature of the community). It is reassuring to see a responsible government reigning them in. Softcock bleeding heart overly PC policies of previous govts (especially labour) are simply not sustainable.

[flyingcrocodile46]

And their taxes are used to pay for some politicians mortgages too. They can obviously afford it with their huge, in comparison to the beneficiary, salaries and perks. Some taxes are used to bail out companies that fail, as well as paying back billions of $ plus interest to the gamblers and all because the government guaranteed them.

I don't see that as an appropriate distribution of taxes? Neither do I see legalised tax dodging as an appropriate distribution of taxes. People hit hard times, some decide to scam the system, some get back up, some struggle to make ends meet without assistance, so why make everyone else pay for the actions of a minority? especially where full employment is undesirable? Why do you feel like you're being ripped off? It's a minority, a tiny tiny minority of career bludgers. The rest are part of the "rotating work pool" and get pissed on because they don't get paid enough and have to claim for assistance. Hey ho.

I'll tell you why.

Because by the time Petrol taxes, Alcohol taxes, tobacco taxes, ACC levies, Rates, GST and income taxes are deducted from my earnings I am lucky if the 50% I have left is enough to support my family of 4. I am not saving, I am self employed and have no kiwi saver. By the time I retire I will have little if anything with which to support myself and may well be worse off than the the beneficiaries who's mortgages I am helping to pay. It is not fair and I ain't happy about it.

I'll say it again. I simply can't afford this burden which I had no part in creating.

Cutting back is not only fairer but essential as to carry on as is, is simply unsustainable.

[blue rider]

I'll tell you why.

Because by the time Petrol taxes, Alcohol taxes, tobacco taxes, ACC levies, Rates, GST and income taxes are deducted from my earnings I am lucky if the 50% I have left is enough to support my family of 4. I am not saving, I am self employed and have no kiwi saver. By the time I retire I will have little if anything with which to support myself and may well be worse off than the the beneficiaries who's mortgages I am helping to pay. It is not fair and I ain't happy about it.

I'll say it again. I simply can't afford this burden which I had no part in creating.

Cutting back is not only fairer but essential as to carry on as is, is simply unsustainable.

the libertarian mantra

I don't want to support the military with my taxes for i am a flower power hippy chick
i don't want to support schools with my taxes for i have no children
i don't want to support research with my taxes for i am a dumb cunt
i don't want to support the national party with my taxes, or the labour party or the greens, for they are dumb cunts too
i don't want to support the national party with my taxes, or the labour party or the greens, for they are lazy welfare bumbs
i dont want my taxes support health care, the lazy cunts can get insurance.....even the new born, can't afford it must be a lazy cunt
i dont' want to support roading in any part of the country other where i live, because they are not my roads


i only want to pay taxes for what i deem a worthy cause, and only I am a worthy cause :facepalm:

lets go back to the good old times under Queen Victory with Penny Prostitutes, Poor House and Beggar Certificates.......

Dickens comes to mind.



whaaaa whaaa whaaa

[brendonjw]

Got sent the below the other day, gota say she has a point... Now some people will go on about there not being any jobs, but theres nothing stopping anyone from going out there and starting up a little business as well as just browsing trademe to see 10,500 jobs advertised on there right now, now they might not be the "ideal" job that you think your worth but its better than being on the dole..

"The problems we face today are there because the people who work for a
living are outnumbered by those who vote for a living"

This was written by a 21 yr old female who gets it. It's her future she's
worried about and this is how she feels about the social welfare system that
she's being forced to live in! These solutions are just common sense in her
opinion.


Nov 18, 2011

Put me in charge . . ..

Put me in charge of WINZ food grants. I'd get rid of cash for potato chips
or chocolate, just money for 50kg bags of rice and beans, blocks of cheese
and all the powdered milk you can haul away. If you want steak and frozen
pizza, then get a job.


Put me in charge of Healthcare. The first thing I'd do is to get women
Norplant birth control implants or tubal ligations. Then, we'll test
recipients for drugs, alcohol, and nicotine and document all tattoos and
piercings. If you want to reproduce or use drugs, alcohol, smoke or get tats
and piercings, then get a job.


Put me in charge of government housing.Ever live in a military barracks?
You will maintain our property in a clean and good state of repair. Your
"home" will be subject to inspections anytime and possessions will be
inventoried. If you want a plasma TV or Xbox 360, then get a job and your
own place.


Put me in charge of compulsory job search. In addition, you will either
present a check stub from a job each week or you will report to a
"government" job. It may be cleaning the roadways of trash, painting and
repairing public housing, whatever we find for you. We will sell your 22
inch rims and low profile tires and your blasting stereo and speakers and
put that money toward the "common good.."


Before you write that I've violated someone's rights, realize that all of
the above is voluntary. If you want our money, accept our rules.. Before you
say that this would be "demeaning" and ruin their "self esteem," consider
that it wasn't that long ago that taking someone else's money for doing
absolutely nothing was demeaning and lowered self esteem.


If we are expected to pay for other people's mistakes we should at least
attempt to make them learn from their bad choices. The current system
rewards them for continuing to make bad choices.


AND While you are on Gov't subsistence, you no longer can VOTE! Yes that is
correct. For you to vote would be a conflict of interest.....You will vote
for a 'welfare' Govt. only. You will voluntarily remove yourself from voting
while you are receiving a Gov't welfare check. If you want to vote, then get
a job.

[blue rider]

Got sent the below the other day, gota say she has a point... Now some people will go on about there not being any jobs, but theres nothing stopping anyone from going out there and starting up a little business as well as just browsing trademe to see 10,500 jobs advertised on there right now, now they might not be the "ideal" job that you think your worth but its better than being on the dole..

"The problems we face today are there because the people who work for a
living are outnumbered by those who vote for a living"

This was written by a 21 yr old female who gets it. It's her future she's
worried about and this is how she feels about the social welfare system that
she's being forced to live in! These solutions are just common sense in her
opinion.


Nov 18, 2011

Put me in charge . . ..

Put me in charge of WINZ food grants. I'd get rid of cash for potato chips
or chocolate, just money for 50kg bags of rice and beans, blocks of cheese
and all the powdered milk you can haul away. If you want steak and frozen
pizza, then get a job.

Meet is only for the rich........(despite it being cheaper then veggie....) to the work house


Put me in charge of Healthcare. The first thing I'd do is to get women
Norplant birth control implants or tubal ligations. Then, we'll test
recipients for drugs, alcohol, and nicotine and document all tattoos and
piercings. If you want to reproduce or use drugs, alcohol, smoke or get tats
and piercings, then get a job.

No man was ever involved in the making of children, only slutty sluts liking sex,

Put me in charge of government housing.Ever live in a military barracks?
You will maintain our property in a clean and good state of repair. Your
"home" will be subject to inspections anytime and possessions will be
inventoried. If you want a plasma TV or Xbox 360, then get a job and your
own place.

tents in the domain rentals in nz are healty, fit for human consumption and affordable


Put me in charge of compulsory job search. In addition, you will either
present a check stub from a job each week or you will report to a
"government" job. It may be cleaning the roadways of trash, painting and
repairing public housing, whatever we find for you. We will sell your 22
inch rims and low profile tires and your blasting stereo and speakers and
put that money toward the "common good.."

dear leader where are the jobs, oh there are non......lazy arses


Before you write that I've violated someone's rights, realize that all of
the above is voluntary. If you want our money, accept our rules.. Before you
say that this would be "demeaning" and ruin their "self esteem," consider
that it wasn't that long ago that taking someone else's money for doing
absolutely nothing was demeaning and lowered self esteem.


dumb cunts if ever

If we are expected to pay for other people's mistakes we should at least
attempt to make them learn from their bad choices. The current system
rewards them for continuing to make bad choices.

mass unemployment world wide, financial crisis.....equesl peoples mistakes

AND While you are on Gov't subsistence, you no longer can VOTE! Yes that is
correct. For you to vote would be a conflict of interest.....You will vote
for a 'welfare' Govt. only. You will voluntarily remove yourself from voting
while you are receiving a Gov't welfare check. If you want to vote, then get
a job.

only white property owners get to vote.....all others just pay taxes, did i say dumb cunt

and the day you need government assistance it will be a completly differnet scenario, because you and that chick was always a good taxpaying cunt. So there will still be chocolate for your kids birthday, or a toy, or new sheets or something that someone other who has got shits for brains consideres un necessary.

the fact is there is no welfare. there are assistance programmes that are paid for by taxes. all sorts of taxes. And even the welfare bumb, dole blodger, lazy breeding bitch will still pay tax, on the benefits they receive and on the GST they pay for any purchase they make.

Fact is that in a country that only offers 5 paid sick days, pretty much any major illness not covered by ACC will get one on the sickness benefit.....lazy arses

Fact is that any family with kids can apply for welfare......its called working for familys.....should keep it shut those lazy arses......if ya can't afford them why have em.....


do we really need to go on?

We need a social net, and the biggest abusers of tax payers over the last couple of years was not the single parent, the sick bugger down the road, or the guy who just lost the job at the mill.

[oneofsix]

only white property owners get to vote.....all others just pay taxes, did i say dumb cunt

and the day you need government assistance it will be a completly differnet scenario, because you and that chick was always a good taxpaying cunt. So there will still be chocolate for your kids birthday, or a toy, or new sheets or something that someone other who has got shits for brains consideres un necessary.

the fact is there is no welfare. there are assistance programmes that are paid for by taxes. all sorts of taxes. And even the welfare bumb, dole blodger, lazy breeding bitch will still pay tax, on the benefits they receive and on the GST they pay for any purchase they make.

Fact is that in a country that only offers 5 paid sick days, pretty much any major illness not covered by ACC will get one on the sickness benefit.....lazy arses

Fact is that any family with kids can apply for welfare......its called working for familys.....should keep it shut those lazy arses......if ya can't afford them why have em.....


do we really need to go on?

We need a social net, and the biggest abusers of tax payers over the last couple of years was not the single parent, the sick bugger down the road, or the guy who just lost the job at the mill.

You forgot even company directors get millions per year still get the pension if over 65. They pay it all back in taxes, but they still get it and it is a welfare payment.

[Swoop]

We need a social net
We already have one, it is unfortunately being used as a comfortable hammock to relax in.

[superman]

You forgot even company directors get millions per year still get the pension if over 65. They pay it all back in taxes, but they still get it and it is a welfare payment.

They still get ACC even though they could afford to pay for health care themselves...

[flyingcrocodile46]

the libertarian mantra I don't want to support the military with my taxes for i am a flower power hippy chick i don't want to support schools with my taxes for i have no children i don't want to support research with my taxes for i am a dumb cunt i don't want to support the national party with my taxes, or the labour party or the greens, for they are dumb cunts too i don't want to support the national party with my taxes, or the labour party or the greens, for they are lazy welfare bumbs i dont want my taxes support health care, the lazy cunts can get insurance.....even the new born, can't afford it must be a lazy cunt i dont' want to support roading in any part of the country other where i live, because they are not my roads i only want to pay taxes for what i deem a worthy cause, and only I am a worthy cause :facepalm: lets go back to the good old times under Queen Victory with Penny rostitutes, Poor House and Beggar Certificates....... Dickens comes to mind. whaaaa whaaa whaaa

Gee I hope you didn't lose your grip on the nanny state tit as you sang your silly ditty.

You are obviously one of those thick cunts that keeps flogging the horse after it's given it's all.

I said without lie or exaggeration (as used by yourself) that I can't afford to finance YOUR soft cock idealism. You obviously think you know me and my financial situation better than I. You are wrong. You know shit.

If you want to pay more than is reasonable to support the disadvantaged and freeloaders because it gives you a rosy glow, good for you. YOU fucking pay the bill and stop looking around for someone with broad shoulders and money to do it for you. You want to row against the tide, then be a man and row your own fucking boat.

Go on, pay up if you want this level of charity available to be milked by professional deadhead sponges. Pay more yourself or shut the fuck up about what I should pay.

Wankers like you drive good taxpayers to despair with ever increasing demands of a dwindling revenue. Your model doesn't work. You only have to look at the way Greece has been ruined by soft cock politicians who pandered to their bleeding heart bone lazy voters. But of course that would require the opening of your eyes and acknowledgement of reality. Pretty fucking unlikely to happen when your reality is Barney land.

[flyingcrocodile46]

We already have one, it is unfortunately being used as a comfortable hammock to relax in.

Funny how easy it is to see the real picture when there isn't any shit obscuring the view.

Well said.

[Bikemad]

This is why I don't want kids. I don't care enough. I'm sorry.
i think i love you


Gee I hope you didn't lose your grip on the nanny state tit as you sang your silly ditty.

You are obviously one of those thick cunts that keeps flogging the horse after it's given it's all.

I said without lie or exageration (as used by yourself) that I can't afford to finance YOUR soft cock idealisim. You obviously think you know me and my finacial situation better than I. You are wrong. You know shit.

If you want to pay more than is reasonable to support the disadvanteged and freeloaders because it gives you a rosey glow, good for you. YOU fucking pay the bill and stop looking around for someone with broad shoulders and money to do it for you. You want to row against the tide, then be a man and row your own fucking boat.

Go on, pay up if you want this level of charity available to be milked by professional deadhead sponges. Pay more yourself or shut the fuck up about what I should pay.

Wankers like you drive good taxpayers to despair with ever increasing demands of a dwindling revenue. Your model doesn't work. You only have to look at the way Greece has been ruined by soft cock politicians who pandered to their bleeding heart bone lazy voters. But of course that would require the opening of your eyes and acknoweledgemnt of reality. Pretty fucking unlikely to happen when your reality is Barney land.
geez.........don't hold back Col

[flyingcrocodile46]

And even the welfare bumb, dole blodger, lazy breeding bitch will still pay tax, on the benefits they receive and on the GST they pay for any purchase they make..

That really demonstrates brainlessness on your part.

They don't pay a fucking cent of taxes out of the benefits they receive because they didn't fucking earn the money. The money they receive IS THE TAXES that other (Real) taxpayers paid on the money that they worked hard for.

The money that beneficiaries receives is OTHER PEOPLES MONEY. Professional beneficiaries live on charity because they are too fucking dumb to survive on their own.

[avgas]

http://wstoollibrary.org/files/2011/09/Shovel-pic.jpg

Dig a hole. Now fill it in.

Now you have a skill that benefits society - fuck off and get a job.
Worked for me.

[Bikemad]

That really demonstrates brainlessness on your part.

They don't pay a fucking cent of taxes out of the benefits they receive because they didn't fucking earn the money.It's just a book entry, The money they receive IS THE TAXES that other (Real) taxpayers paid on the money that they worked hard for.

The money that beneficiaries receives is OTHER PEOPLES MONEY. Professional beneficiaries live on charity because they are too fucking lazy/dumb to survive on their own.

fixed for ya mate

[flyingcrocodile46]

fixed for ya mate

Cheers :clap:

[Macontour]

Hopefully the changes work. I had part time jobs before I left school and I've always worked a second part time job since I left school in 1979. I work bloody hard for comparatively low wages, I work all sorts of crappy hours, spend time away from my family, give up weekends, statutary days and my reward for all this and trying to make life better for me and mine is to pay secondary tax!!!!

We have 10s of thousands of people aged 15 to 24 who for some reason are undereducated, unmotivated, uninterested and non contributing to the rest of society. They are also a massive drain on us because they are more than likely getting involved in illegal and or antisocial activity.

The tragedy is that these "kids" are our future!! They are the ones that I am relying on to be productive and contribute to my Super in fifteen years time.

They are the ones whose efforts we need in the work force to help grow this countrys economy.

And yet they are happy to sit back and be spoonfed off our hard work!! Why?

[Zamiam]

Here's a challenge for you. If you want the right to comment declare whether you are on a benefit of not.

I am a worker, pay taxes and NEVER been on a benefit even tho I have been out of work at times.

The 21 year old has it down to its basics. Too few of us are being RAPED to support bludgers sitting on their couches drinking energy drinks playing on their ps3's etc while the rest of us are working.

Have no problem with helping those in need BUT sky tv, tobacco, takeaways, alcohol etc. aren't the necessities of life which are actually pretty basic. The government handouts make it too easy.

I also can not afford to support these bluggers. Shit I couldn't afford to drink alcohol, live on takeaways and smoke everyday AND I earn my money.

[flyingcrocodile46]

Hopefully the changes work. I had part time jobs before I left school and I've always worked a second part time job since I left school in 1979. I work bloody hard for comparatively low wages, I work all sorts of crappy hours, spend time away from my family, give up weekends, statutary days and my reward for all this and trying to make life better for me and mine is to pay secondary tax!!!!

We have 10s of thousands of people aged 15 to 24 who for some reason are undereducated, unmotivated, uninterested and non contributing to the rest of society. They are also a massive drain on us because they are more than likely getting involved in illegal and or antisocial activity.

The tragedy is that these "kids" are our future!! They are the ones that I am relying on to be productive and contribute to my Super in fifteen years time.

They are the ones whose efforts we need in the work force to help grow this countrys economy.

And yet they are happy to sit back and be spoonfed off our hard work!! Why?

Partially because;
(a) Most parents give their kids things they ask for (some everything) without thought to the likelihood that their kids will grow up thinking that they can have whatever they want without sacrifice. Reward for effort is a lesson that simply isn't being taught to children.

(b) They look around and can see others who get paid for nothing (beneficiaries) who are able to sit at home and play Xbox or playstation all day long for every day of the week. Another fine motivating life lesson for them.

(c) They see people like Sue Bradford and blow rider staunchly promoting increases in handouts (for new game discs), to future proof their way of life and assuring them that they have the moral support of their community.

(etc, etc)

[flyingcrocodile46]

AND While you are on Gov't subsistence, you no longer can VOTE! Yes that is
correct. For you to vote would be a conflict of interest.....You will vote
for a 'welfare' Govt. only. You will voluntarily remove yourself from voting
while you are receiving a Gov't welfare check. If you want to vote, then get
a job.

That's logical and fair
No work, no vote.
In jail, no vote.
Retired, no vote.

[Zamiam]

You forgot even company directors get millions per year still get the pension if over 65. They pay it all back in taxes, but they still get it and it is a welfare payment.

And you forget they have paid taxes and therefore have effectively paid for their super!

[Bikemad]

Here's a challenge for you. If you want the right to comment declare whether you are on a benefit of not.

challenge accepted
i have just had the last 10 months off,my choice,with no financial assistance from the Govt at all,despite the fact i have worked and contributed taxes for 35 years.I did a course at unitec which i payed for,so i could move forward in the industry i work in.
I was also hoping it might show my daughter it's never to late to improve your own situation by further education which i am happy to pay for her........she has been unemployed since xmas but has not applied for any assistance herself because she doesn't want the stigma of the "dole bludger" label........not all kids are dropkick playstation experts

[flyingcrocodile46]

challenge accepted
i have just had the last 10 months off,my choice,with no financial assistance from the Govt at all,despite the fact i have worked and contributed taxes for 35 years.I did a course at unitec which i payed for,so i could move forward in the industry i work in.
I was also hoping it might show my daughter it's never to late to improve your own situation by further education which i am happy to pay for her........she has been unemployed since xmas but has not applied for any assistance herself because she doesn't want the stigma of the "dole bludger" label........not all kids are dropkick playstation experts


You Beaut! :clap::clap::clap: similar story to my own though not as long without an income and not so recent.

[blue rider]

Here's a challenge for you. If you want the right to comment declare whether you are on a benefit of not.

I am a worker, pay taxes and NEVER been on a benefit even tho I have been out of work at times.

The 21 year old has it down to its basics. Too few of us are being RAPED to support bludgers sitting on their couches drinking energy drinks playing on their ps3's etc while the rest of us are working.

Have no problem with helping those in need BUT sky tv, tobacco, takeaways, alcohol etc. aren't the necessities of life which are actually pretty basic. The government handouts make it too easy.

I also can not afford to support these bluggers. Shit I couldn't afford to drink alcohol, live on takeaways and smoke everyday AND I earn my money.



i work, i pay taxes on income,
i work, i pay GST
I pay taxes for stuff I don't support.
I pay taxes for people that are not mine.
I pay taxes for others peoples kids so they go to school, get health care etc. etc because we need the future generation
I pay taxes so that old people get to live their lives out in decency
I pay taxes so that roads are being maintained even if i don't use them
I pay taxes so that housing stays affordable

i pay taxes so that the society i live in is liveable for all.

We can all stop paying taxes, get rid of the politians (because than we don't need any administrators of any puplic funds), and start maintaining our own roads, school our own children, heal our own sickness etc etc.

What a wonderfull future we all will have.

[scissorhands]

These incentives will do little to entice those with disorder or difference into a hostile and bullying work environment

Morons

[mashman]

I'll tell you why.

Because by the time Petrol taxes, Alcohol taxes, tobacco taxes, ACC levies, Rates, GST and income taxes are deducted from my earnings I am lucky if the 50% I have left is enough to support my family of 4. I am not saving, I am self employed and have no kiwi saver. By the time I retire I will have little if anything with which to support myself and may well be worse off than the the beneficiaries who's mortgages I am helping to pay. It is not fair and I ain't happy about it.

I'll say it again. I simply can't afford this burden which I had no part in creating.

Cutting back is not only fairer but essential as to carry on as is, is simply unsustainable.


You're not alone in paying for those things ya know. I have 3 kids in NZ, I pay the top whack of everything, am self-employed (currently) have had about 3-4 months not working over the last year, not claiming and ran my savings into the ground. I fought with the bank for a payment holiday (total and utter bunch of wankers), couldn't sell my house coz the builder was another fuckin wanker (long story, coulda lost everything), have no kiwisaver and by the time I retire I will have little if anything to support myself and my wife. We can't afford my wife to go to work (she wants to) because it will cost a fortune in childcare (so she can't just take any old job) and I'd rather she looked after them than one of you dodgy bastards. And given 3 months unemployment at any given point in time and we could lose absolutely everything we've worked for since joining the workfarce.

It's as fair as it gets in this finacial system, get the fuck over it as there are worse off than yourself and plenty more in the same position as you. Yet you'd rather penalise the whole group in the pursuit of less than 1% of the group. Tis geniuses like you that have dragged the world down basing a persons value to society on their financial contribution. Uber fuckin fail. Sorry if that's a bit harsh, but removing one's head from one's arse may well be a good start. In the meantime there's 150,000+ jobs needed, there are maybe 50,000 in the country and probably 100,000 who want to work, where's your solution? Vote National?

Cutting back will lead to more crime. Why do you think criminals commit crime? To get more money! So sure, go ahead, squeeze them some more and let's see what happens.

[flyingcrocodile46]

You're not alone in paying for those things ya know. I have 3 kids in NZ, I pay the top whack of everything, am self-employed (currently) have had about 3-4 months not working over the last year, not claiming and ran my savings into the ground. I fought with the bank for a payment holiday (total and utter bunch of wankers), couldn't sell my house coz the builder was another fuckin wanker (long story, coulda lost everything), have no kiwisaver and by the time I retire I will have little if anything to support myself and my wife. We can't afford my wife to go to work (she wants to) because it will cost a fortune in childcare (so she can't just take any old job) and I'd rather she looked after them than one of you dodgy bastards. And given 3 months unemployment at any given point in time and we could lose absolutely everything we've worked for since joining the workfarce.

It's as fair as it gets in this finacial system, get the fuck over it as there are worse off than yourself and plenty more in the same position as you. Yet you'd rather penalise the whole group in the pursuit of less than 1% of the group. Tis geniuses like you that have dragged the world down basing a persons value to society on their financial contribution. Uber fuckin fail. Sorry if that's a bit harsh, but removing one's head from one's arse may well be a good start. In the meantime there's 150,000+ jobs needed, there are maybe 50,000 in the country and probably 100,000 who want to work, where's your solution? Vote National?

Cutting back will lead to more crime. Why do you think criminals commit crime? To get more money! So sure, go ahead, squeeze them some more and let's see what happens.

I am not against contributing to sustainable assistance for people who really need it (mostly should only be short term). BUT, the proportion of freeloaders is a hell of a lot more than 1%. (your own figures above indicate that 50,000 people don't want work... and their dependents also need to be supported by the tax payers and there is another 50,000 plus dependents who should be off welfare and into the available 50,000 jobs) If you can't see that the current culture is unsustainable then I suggest it is your own head and arse that needs attention.

Jobs/employment beget jobs. Unemployed freeloaders beget more freeloaders.

[MSTRS]

Jobs/employment beget jobs.

Really? I have a job (self-employed for 20 years) - and I've been applying for jobs for about a year now. Probably 2-3 week now. Guess what? I've had 2, count them, 2, interviews in all that time. There's no job out there that can take on the 300+ applicants it draws.

[Bassmatt]

I am not against contributing to sustainable assistance for people who really need it (mostly should only be short term). BUT, the proportion of freeloaders is a hell of a lot more than 1%. (your own figures above indicate that 50,000 people don't want work... and their dependents also need to be supported by the tax payers and there is another 50,000 plus dependents who should be off welfare and into the available 50,000 jobs) If you can't see that the current culture is unsustainable then I suggest it is your own head and arse that needs attention.

Jobs/employment beget jobs. Unemployed freeloaders beget more freeloaders.

What are these 50000 jobs you speak of?
The facts dont support your arguments only a small number could be considered "career beneficiaries". Typical NZ response punish the majority in order to fix the (percieved) problem.

, over two thirds of DPB recipients (67.7%) are on the DPB for less than four years. More than a quarter of them (26%) are on it for less than a year, even during the recession. If this is a lifestyle choice, it is hardly a fashionable one.

only 3.1 % of those on the DPB are under 20 years of age – and that figure has barely flickered since 2005, when the figure was 2.9 %. Put another way, 97% of the people on the DPB are NOT the ‘very young women’ of Key’s lurid imagination. There are in fact, significantly more people on the DPB over 55 years of age (5.6%) than there are ‘very young women’ receiving this benefit.

Looking across all forms of benefits, 61.4 % of recipients are benefit dependent for four years or less. Only 14.3 % are on benefits for more than ten years – and since those figures include people with chronic physical and mental disabilities, the ratio of those staying on benefits because it is a “lifetime, lifestyle choice’ is lower again

http://werewolf.co.nz/2011/02/ten-myths-about-welfare/

[oneofsix]

I am not against contributing to sustainable assistance for people who really need it (mostly should only be short term). BUT, the proportion of freeloaders is a hell of a lot more than 1%. (your own figures above indicate that 50,000 people don't want work... and their dependents also need to be supported by the tax payers and there is another 50,000 plus dependents who should be off welfare and into the available 50,000 jobs) If you can't see that the current culture is unsustainable then I suggest it is your own head and arse that needs attention.

Jobs/employment beget jobs. Unemployed freeloaders beget more freeloaders.

where did this 1% come from? Even way back in Sir Robert Muldon's day the IMF was talking 10% unemployed and then you have your old and sick on top of that. That was with a good level of employment, not in a recession designed to reduce the lower paid even further like now

[mashman]

I am not against contributing to sustainable assistance for people who really need it (mostly should only be short term). BUT, the proportion of freeloaders is a hell of a lot more than 1%. (your own figures above indicate that 50,000 people don't want work... and their dependents also need to be supported by the tax payers and there is another 50,000 plus dependents who should be off welfare and into the available 50,000 jobs) If you can't see that the current culture is unsustainable then I suggest it is your own head and arse that needs attention.


I agree with that, but forcing people into jobs they don't want is the part I have the problem with. If it's just to remove the financial strain, then I'd suggest people start looking at job sharing but with far better pay. The big problem here is the pay. If the pay is shit you're asking people to work for next to nothing and I can fully understand why people would rather take what is available from the govt and then top the rest up in "other" ways. The current culture will never be sustainable and this "new" one isn't going to do anything other than push people into getting their hands on cash instead of a piece of card that limits their choices. You're dealing with human beings here, not robots... they won't just do as they're told and I see the steps by the govt as a huge leap backwards. $10 is not an incentive, the govt aren't trying as we know those at the bottom of the pile will get around the system in any number of ways, they're politicising the issue to appease people like yourself. Again I'm not being nasty, but these "policies" are total and utter bullshit and do nothing for that 1%, ok maybe more, but is 10% worth screwing over 90% of people for? Where do you stop?

If the govt were smart they'd offer 1 brand of cigs and 1 brand of booze also. Then they can poison them, end of problem :yes: :facepalm:. They have no imagination and no will to do any better, they just have to appease you and make anyone that is unemployed seem like a vampire of the state. Looks like they've succeeded.



Jobs/employment beget jobs. Unemployed freeloaders beget more freeloaders.

Rubbish. Rubish(ish).

[mashman]

where did this 1% come from? Even way back in Sir Robert Muldon's day the IMF was talking 10% unemployed and then you have your old and sick on top of that. That was with a good level of employment, not in a recession designed to reduce the lower paid even further like now

I mentioned 1% in an earlier post in a completely different context to yours. You may wanna read back a bit numbnuts :shifty:

[flyingcrocodile46]

Really? I have a job (self-employed for 20 years) - and I've been applying for jobs for about a year now. Probably 2-3 week now. Guess what? I've had 2, count them, 2, interviews in all that time. There's no job out there that can take on the 300+ applicants it draws.

My son was in the same position. He finally got off his arse (fruitlessly applying for advertised jobs and getting no responses) and started knocking on doors like I told him to. First door and he impressed so much that he left with a job offer.

Wife has also been through the same thing, though she got one by responding to adverts after about two months.

Most employers only look at the first twenty or so applications before they run out of time or enthusiasim and select a few for interviews. I know it is difficult as I have been through the same process on numerous occasions. I find that it is far easier to get an interview (and job offer) if I front up in person (which is normally cold calling) or otherwise take the inititive (email or snail mail) and offer my services to employers before they advertise them. Staight to the head of the queue.

Good luck.

[flyingcrocodile46]

What are these 50000 jobs you speak of?


Post # 55 ;)

[Bassmatt]

Post # 55 ;)

Oh a figure pulled from thin air. Whats the address I would like to apply. :wacko:

[oneofsix]

I mentioned 1% in an earlier post in a completely different context to yours. You may wanna read back a bit numbnuts :shifty:

Don't have time to read backwards because I have a job slacker :shifty: I have enough trouble reading forward never mind backwards. :crazy:

[MSTRS]

My son was in the same position. He finally got off his arse (fruitlessly applying for advertised jobs and getting no responses) and started knocking on doors like I told him to. First door and he impressed so much that he left with a job offer.

Wife has also been through the same thing, though she got one by responding to adverts after about two months.

Most employers only look at the first twenty or so applications before they run out of time or enthusiasim and select a few for interviews. I know it is difficult as I have been through the same process on numerous occasions. I find that it is far easier to get an interview (and job offer) if I front up in person (which is normally cold calling) or otherwise take the inititive (email or snail mail) and offer my services to employers before they advertise them. Staight to the head of the queue.

Good luck.

Good luck, indeed. Don't think I haven't been doing that too...
I have no desire to sell up and move but I even made an enquiry as to the remuneration for a job in another region - I got the standard "Thank you for taking the time ... Unfortunately on this occasion you have not been successful..." WTF - I didn't actually apply, fucknuckle.
So I reply to many of the "Thank you for - but you have not" bullshit with something along the lines of "Well, that was a lucky escape. With the pittance you're offering, all you need is a trained monkey"
Just maybe one of these turkeys will actually read it - but I'm not holding my breath..

[scissorhands]

Why do you think criminals commit crime? To get more money! So sure, go ahead, squeeze them some more and let's see what happens.

the biggest crims are fully employed....
crims wear a suit too:yawn:

[Usarka]

Professional beneficiaries live on charity because they are too fucking dumb to survive on their own.

Ok so whats the solution for people that are too dumb to survive on their own? Kill them? Seriously?

[pritch]

That's logical and fair
No work, no vote.
In jail, no vote.
Retired, no vote.

"Two out of three ain't bad" - Meatloaf :whistle:

[flyingcrocodile46]

the biggest crims are fully employed....
crims wear a suit too:yawn:

The name Mark Bryers (Bluechip) springs to mind but I'm not allowed to talk about that.


Ok so whats the solution for people that are too dumb to survive on their own? Kill them? Seriously?

Not at all. There are some who genuinely have fuck all chance irrespective of what can be done to make them truly self sufficient and they must be catered for.

I just want to see and end to the inequity of a system that sees medium and long term beneficiaries having their mortgages (an appreciating asset) paid for out of taxes taken from people who themselves have no assets.

I ain't proposing to take ownership of the management of the distribution of the tax $ just happy to see a better approach than blindly fertilising and watering a weed garden. Obviously there is scope to convert the crop to a rose or vege garden which would be more beneficial, but that is for people cleverer or more caring than me to work on. That's what I pay my taxes for.

[avgas]

What are these 50000 jobs you speak of?
The facts dont support your arguments only a small number could be considered "career beneficiaries". Typical NZ response punish the majority in order to fix the (percieved) problem.

, over two thirds of DPB recipients (67.7%) are on the DPB for less than four years. More than a quarter of them (26%) are on it for less than a year, even during the recession. If this is a lifestyle choice, it is hardly a fashionable one.

only 3.1 % of those on the DPB are under 20 years of age – and that figure has barely flickered since 2005, when the figure was 2.9 %. Put another way, 97% of the people on the DPB are NOT the ‘very young women’ of Key’s lurid imagination. There are in fact, significantly more people on the DPB over 55 years of age (5.6%) than there are ‘very young women’ receiving this benefit.

Looking across all forms of benefits, 61.4 % of recipients are benefit dependent for four years or less. Only 14.3 % are on benefits for more than ten years – and since those figures include people with chronic physical and mental disabilities, the ratio of those staying on benefits because it is a “lifetime, lifestyle choice’ is lower again

http://werewolf.co.nz/2011/02/ten-myths-about-welfare/
Tis an interesting article. Cheers for the read.
However it does beg the question simply on the statistics.
I was once told that 40% of prison inmates will re-offend when they leave prison.
If I turned that stat around that means 60% of prison inmates don't re-offend when they get out. Does that mean the current prison system in 60% PERFECT?

Likewise is the NZ DPB system 67% PERFECT, or a 23% on it for LIFE?

[flyingcrocodile46]

"Two out of three ain't bad" - Meatloaf :whistle:

Don't fret. We can work out a deal for you to buy my vote ;)

[Bassmatt]

Tis an interesting article. Cheers for the read.
However it does beg the question simply on the statistics.
I was once told that 40% of prison inmates will re-offend when they leave prison.
If I turned that stat around that means 60% of prison inmates don't re-offend when they get out. Does that mean the current prison system in 60% PERFECT?

Likewise is the NZ DPB system 67% PERFECT, or a 23% on it for LIFE?

No but if you were to say nobody should be let out of prison because most of them will re-offend you would be wrong, as is the argument that most people choose to live on a benefit as a lifestyle choice and are therefore bludgers.

[Clockwork]

I just want to see and end to the inequity of a system that sees medium and long term beneficiaries having their mortgages (an appreciating asset) paid for out of taxes taken from people who themselves have no assets.

I must admit, I know fuck all about the benefit system but this seems very unlikely to me.

Sorry to doubt your word FC46 but can anyone else corroborate this?

[flyingcrocodile46]

I must admit, I know fuck all about the benefit system but this seems very unlikely to me.

Sorry to doubt your word FC46 but can anyone else corroborate this?

That's ok. It pays not to accept peoples claims too readily.

[mashman]

Don't have time to read backwards because I have a job slacker :shifty: I have enough trouble reading forward never mind
backwards. :crazy:

hardy hardy hardy har.


the biggest crims are fully employed....
crims wear a suit too:yawn:

yeah, nah, they're covered by the law :shifty:

[jasonu]

8 billion,,,,meeeehhh thats a drop in the ocean compared to how much these "Oldies " cost us , sitting around all day , drinking tea using the buses for free

Get a haircut gran , and get a real job

Stephen

The same ones that have probably worked and paid tax for 50 odd years???

[mashman]

The money that beneficiaries receives is OTHER PEOPLES MONEY.

The money that companies receive is other peoples money, sometimes it comes from the govt, which is other peoples money too :innocent:... they're quite generous at times too, I have received a percentage of one of those payments and it was rather handsome given I only worked 8 hours a day. That's sucks in my eyes, but damn right I won't turn it down. Go on, who's gonna be first with the hypocrite line? You will be met with :rofl: :facepalm:.

[Bikemad]

The money that companies receive is other peoples money, sometimes it comes from the govt, which is other peoples money too :innocent:...:rofl: :facepalm:.

yes but companies have to have something to offer you or the govt for you to part with your money ..........ie goods or services
beneficairies get your and my money for nothing.................hardly a fair trade off if you ask me

[mashman]

yes but companies have to have something to offer you or the govt for you to part with your money ..........ie goods or services
beneficairies get your and my money for nothing.................hardly a fair trade off if you ask me

That's very true... however beneficiaries help the country manage inflation. We need unemployment. I'd call that a service.

[scissorhands]

beneficairies get your and my money for nothing.................hardly a fair trade off if you ask me

Create an inclusive society for those with difference, rather than derision for 1%ers, and most of them will work.

Who would go to a job if the majority there gives them grief for not being like the majority??

[Bikemad]

That's very true... however beneficiaries help the country manage inflation. We need unemployment. I'd call that a service.


Create an inclusive society for those with difference, rather than derision for 1%ers, and most of them will work.

Who would go to a job if the majority there gives them grief for not being like the majority??

what drugs are you guys on........................and where can i get some

[mashman]

what drugs are you guys on........................and where can i get some

They're Wiki man (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phillips_curve)

[SPman]

"a truth about NZers, the working poor hate the beneficiary poor with the same visceral passion that racists hate people of different colour." - predictable reactions - Pavlov's dogs have nothing on you lot!

A pity the working poor are satisfied with their pittance............and aren't motivated to become involved in raising them.

So - National are using the same tried and true methods that worked, oh so well, in the 90's. Bash beneficiaries, lower wages, lower taxes for the wealthier - by borrowing if required, slash all social and public services, deprive people of the vote and sell everything of any perceived value to their mates..... By the time this little episode has finished, NZ should be at about Upper Volta's standard of living and social harmony.......

Still

carry on people..........

[GingerMidget]

Continuing an argument from two pages ago, I spent 10 months applying for EVERY full time job I could do. By the time I got an interview, I was up to over 300 applications. By the time I got the interview for the job I have now, I was at over 1000. I had 3 interviews. Two for the same job.

The job I'm in now, that wasn't actually advertisted. I applied for a different branch doing the same thing, and this job came up after I was shortlisted the first time. So I was one of two people interviewed. I walked out thinking nearly a two hour interview, I haven't got it. Two hours later it was mine.

Finding a job was my job. For ten whole months. I exhauseted my savings, and got in to debt before moving home with my parents. I'm still paying it off.

[Oscar]

"a truth about NZers, the working poor hate the beneficiary poor with the same visceral passion that racists hate people of different colour." - predictable reactions - Pavlov's dogs have nothing on you lot!

A pity the working poor are satisfied with their pittance............and aren't motivated to become involved in raising them.

So - National are using the same tried and true methods that worked, oh so well, in the 90's. Bash beneficiaries, lower wages, lower taxes for the wealthier - by borrowing if required, slash all social and public services, deprive people of the vote and sell everything of any perceived value to their mates..... By the time this little episode has finished, NZ should be at about Upper Volta's standard of living and social harmony.......

Still

carry on people..........

So what happened after the 90's?
Nine years of Labour achieved...what?

[Oscar]

They're Wiki man (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phillips_curve)

My favourite line in that reference (just about sums you up):


This article needs additional citations for verification. Please help improve this article by adding citations to reliable sources.
(My italics)

And the there's this:


Most economists no longer use the Phillips curve in its original form because it was shown to be too simplistic.

[mashman]

My favourite line in that reference (just about sums you up):


(My italics)

And the there's this:

citation related to


this has not been observed in the long run

Of course it's simplistic, but they still use it, just not in its current form i.e. tarted up to give more friendly results.

[ducatilover]

There's no cake in here.

Fuck you all.

[Bikemad]

Of course it's simplistic, but they still use it, just not in its current form i.e. tarted up to give more friendly results.

and you have evidence to support the above statement?...........and please........not unconfirmed shit on wiki again

[mashman]

and you have evidence to support the above statement?...........and please........not unconfirmed shit on wiki again

Other than open your eyes :shifty:?

'When the RBNZ seeks to cool inflation, it raises interest rates. This essentially reduces the demand for goods and services relative to supply, which contains prices. The reduction in demand works through a number of channels. First, saving is encouraged by higher deposit rates. Second, borrowing and investment is discouraged through the higher cost of borrowing. Together, money is reallocated from consumption to saving and investment is reduced. A higher interest rate will also typically lead to an appreciation in the exchange rate. This reduces exports as each unit of exports now earns the New Zealand producer less. So a rise in the interest rate leads to a reduction in consumption, investment and exports. As activity reduces, so does employment, wage growth and inflation." (http://nzier.org.nz/economics/monetary-policy) ... sound familiar?

There are a few very long winded documents on the Reserve Bank site, but it still seems to hold true.

[Bikemad]

thats a better effort...........i still don't want those bludging pricks gettin my tax dollars for nothin though

[mashman]

thats a better effort...........i still don't want those bludging pricks gettin my tax dollars for nothin though

:rofl: :facepalm:

They're not doing nothing. They're keeping your $ worth more. I'd love to see you all get your wish of full employment so that the opposite happens :yes:

[Bikemad]

ok........well how bout you give me some of your money and i will stay off work and be really productive doing nothing

[mashman]

ok........well how bout you give me some of your money and i will stay off work and be really productive doing nothing

Oh if I had a $ for every time someone said that to me... so I can only say in return, go on the dole and you will be getting my money. As far as productive goes, I agree with you... but if by productive that means that they have to spend more money than they usually would getting to and from their place of productivity, then no, I wouldn't expect them to be productive, it ain't like they can afford it (t'would be akin to slave wages). In regards to cigs and booze being taken away from the bad bad bludgers, they're just gonna find other ways to get it. Oi mate, let me pay for the groceries on your list and you buy my smokes and booze for me. Nothing will change, other than the govt will be appeasing those who believe that such bullshit is for the good of society and that their tax $ is being spent more wisely. Hook, line and sinker.

[RDJ]

:rofl:... you're not alone.

So, ah, who'll help pay for and care for you when you're old? what's Plan B?

[Brian d marge]

"a truth about NZers, the working poor hate the beneficiary poor with the same visceral passion that racists hate people of different colour." - predictable reactions - Pavlov's dogs have nothing on you lot!

A pity the working poor are satisfied with their pittance............and aren't motivated to become involved in raising them.

So - National are using the same tried and true methods that worked, oh so well, in the 90's. Bash beneficiaries, lower wages, lower taxes for the wealthier - by borrowing if required, slash all social and public services, deprive people of the vote and sell everything of any perceived value to their mates..... By the time this little episode has finished, NZ should be at about Upper Volta's standard of living and social harmony.......

Still

carry on people..........

agreed , this has been tried and tested throughout history , demonize one group against another ...at the end of the day as I have said untill im blue in the face , it isnt national labour or the screaming lord such party
its people with money Always FOLLOW THE MONEY

in this case america via australia

I can see how the treasury ( advising ) the government are in a bind ,,,,, small increases, tend to compound and get intrenched and once intrenced impossible to remove

Now I woyuld like to introduce to you . The french ...1776 to be precise , how many ministers of finance? three , four and all said the same thing..... tax fairly incl the rich

I kind of feel kind of sorry for Marie being born Austrian an all ....

anyway, at the end of the day Mac cawbers principle holds true , 19,6 happy 20,01 result misery ,,,and that needs to happen at our level ,

Dont borrow , and live within your means , buy NZ

and a few other thing which ill post later ...to be honest Im tired of repeating the same thing again and again only to be proved right ( by succesive loonies in wellington)

Sorry that these posts are disjointed and not fully explained ,,but it does get tiresome

in the meantime, work ...
should be something you like ,,,, income doesnt need to be money .........

stephen

[jrandom]

You only have to look at the way Greece has been ruined by soft cock politicians who pandered to their bleeding heart bone lazy voters.

Some might say that it was ruined by German banks offering unsustainably cheap credit to Greece as a way of keeping markets open for German producers.

But I guess y'all don't hold with that sort of book-larnin' logic.


"a truth about NZers, the working poor hate the beneficiary poor with the same visceral passion that racists hate people of different colour."

Yes.

Stupid people are stupid, no matter what they do of a weekday.

I wonder how many of those who rail against 'dole bludgers' have ever actually met one.

[jrandom]

I am awesome because it took me 10 months to find a job and I didn't need a benefit because I have middle-class white parents who fed me when I ran out of money.

If only we had more like you.

[flyingcrocodile46]

Some might say that it was ruined by German banks offering unsustainably cheap credit to Greece as a way of keeping markets open for German producers.


Yes, some might. However the Greeks had to spend it.



Stupid people are stupid, no matter what they do of a weekday.

I wonder how many of those who rail against 'dole bludgers' have ever actually met one.

I do. One on the dole for almost a year now (with soft head problems) and one on the DPB for (though recently off) for about 13 years. (That's a big chunk of the 20 year mortgage repayment gone). Also done it hard myself on numerous occasion and once on the dole for about 6 weeks (after all my savings were exhausted during a 5 month period of unemployment). Also had dealings with some on work schemes (who really didn't want to be there).

[MSTRS]

Continuing an argument from two pages ago, I spent 10 months applying for EVERY full time job I could do. By the time I got an interview, I was up to over 300 applications. By the time I got the interview for the job I have now, I was at over 1000. I had 3 interviews. Two for the same job.

The job I'm in now, that wasn't actually advertisted. I applied for a different branch doing the same thing, and this job came up after I was shortlisted the first time. So I was one of two people interviewed. I walked out thinking nearly a two hour interview, I haven't got it. Two hours later it was mine.

Finding a job was my job. For ten whole months. I exhauseted my savings, and got in to debt before moving home with my parents. I'm still paying it off.

Now that's dedication.
It shouldn't be that hard to get a job...but I know it is.
And another thing I know? The one who gets the job is not necessarily the perfect candidate...nope...they'll just be good at interviews.
I know this because I am constantly 'amazed' at the utter incompetence displayed by so many people who have jobs...

[avgas]

Now that's dedication.
It shouldn't be that hard to get a job...but I know it is.
And another thing I know? The one who gets the job is not necessarily the perfect candidate...nope...they'll just be good at interviews.
I know this because I am constantly 'amazed' at the utter incompetence displayed by so many people who have jobs...
Consider yourself lucky.

I got called 'cocky' recently for asking questions pertaining to the role. (what markets they operate in? how strong are their competitors etc)
Turns out everyone they wanted a 'yes man' who doesn't ask question and doesn't do their job.

Next interview I am going to die my hair grey, stick on a santa beard and say I am 55. That way they can't call me cocky, I would be called "experienced". :eek5:

[avgas]

So what happened after the 90's?
Nine years of Labour achieved...what?
SSDD as far as I am concerned.
See that is the problem with politicians. Politics.

What we need is some kind of "Run-the-country-properly-because-its-your-job" superheroes.

[MSTRS]

Next interview I am going to die my hair grey, stick on a santa beard and say I am 55. That way they can't call me cocky, I would be called "experienced". :eek5:

Fuck you. I'm not 55. Yet. ;)

[avgas]

That's very true... however beneficiaries help the country manage inflation. We need unemployment. I'd call that a service.
Errr not always.

1990's Japan anyone.

[oneofsix]

Consider yourself lucky.

I got called 'cocky' recently for asking questions pertaining to the role. (what markets they operate in? how strong are their competitors etc)
Turns out everyone they wanted a 'yes man' who doesn't ask question and doesn't do their job.

Next interview I am going to die my hair grey, stick on a santa beard and say I am 55. That way they can't call me cocky, I would be called "experienced". :eek5:

Go for 45, at 55 you might be considered too old and stuck in your ways, also 55 is too close to retirement so your mind is on retirement and not the next ten years. :weird:

[avgas]

No but if you were to say nobody should be let out of prison because most of them will re-offend you would be wrong, as is the argument that most people choose to live on a benefit as a lifestyle choice and are therefore bludgers.
So what happens if we change "most" to "many"?
Will that help addressing a genuine problem rather than sweep it under the mat?

[MSTRS]

Go for 45, at 55 you might be considered too old and stuck in your ways, also 55 is too close to retirement so your mind is on retirement and not the next ten years. :weird:

Come say that to my face...

[avgas]

Go for 45, at 55 you might be considered too old and stuck in your ways, also 55 is too close to retirement so your mind is on retirement and not the next ten years. :weird:
Ha - sad but true. Seems 35-45 is the perfect time to change jobs/careers. Before or after your fucked

[oneofsix]

Come say that to my face...

Not saying it is true of the applicant, just suggesting that it is an attitude of employers hence the emotocon. I know from my own view point that there is a lot I wont to achieve before I make it to the official retirement age but ageism does exist.

[scissorhands]

I know this because I am constantly 'amazed' at the utter incompetence displayed by so many people who have jobs...

maybe they have certain skills.... cocksucking cums to mind, something we could all benefit bye bye honesty

hello, sycophantic two faced suck ups.... I think its called 'capture bonding' or sumting...

........all the character and nobility in the world counts for little nowadays, they just want you to fondle their balls

[Zedder]

maybe they have certain skills.... cocksucking cums to mind, something we could all benefit bye bye honesty

hello, sycophantic two faced suck ups.... I think its called 'capture bonding' or sumting...

........all the character and nobility in the world counts for little nowadays, they just want you to fondle their balls

I take it the job was in the sex industry then? But seriously, all the sycophantic behaviour is a bit of a problem these days. It's probably due to HR causing people to worry about their jobs though.

[jasonu]

That's very true... however beneficiaries help the country manage inflation. We need unemployment. I'd call that a service.

Then hell, sign me up! I'd like to get paid for doing fuck all too.

[oneofsix]

Then hell, sign me up! I'd like to get paid for doing fuck all too.

Try it, from reports you will not like it. The hit to the ego etc it isn't a pleasure ride and nothing like a holiday.

[jasonu]

maybe they have certain skills.... cocksucking cums to mind, something we could all benefit bye bye honesty

hello, sycophantic two faced suck ups.... I think its called 'capture bonding' or sumting...

........all the character and nobility in the world counts for little nowadays, they just want you to fondle their balls

A bit like these 2 blokes???
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ajEW9kjufM

[mashman]

Then hell, sign me up! I'd like to get paid for doing fuck all too.

The option has been open to you for years. What's been stopping you?


Try it, from reports you will not like it. The hit to the ego etc it isn't a pleasure ride and nothing like a holiday.

Yeah, nah, from what I've seen it ain;t all bad... just a lack of money. Ditch the ego then ;)

[mashman]

So, ah, who'll help pay for and care for you when you're old? what's Plan B?

I'll find out when I get there, as there's no Plan A mate. I'll probably just get a gun and start shooting people, as that should see me looked after when I'm older.


Errr not always.

1990's Japan anyone.

Sure there are exceptions and I'm going to pull an Oscar on ya :eek5:, Japan isn't NZ :rofl:

[jasonu]

The option has been open to you for years. What's been stopping you?



I like to earn a decent days pay for a decent days work which is what I have always done since joining the work force.

[mashman]

I like to earn a decent days pay for a decent days work which is what I have always done since joining the work force.

Me too. So would the majority of people on the dole. Praps those who won't have too high expectations... or enjoy the time more than the money. Either way the jobs aren't there, may as well have the ones that are filled with people who want to work.

[avgas]

Sure there are exceptions and I'm going to pull an Oscar on ya :eek5:, Japan isn't NZ :rofl:
Better warn the RBNZ then.
Because the lack of inflation/increase in OCR and other things........its starting to look like 90's Japan.
Even the houses are too expensive.

[scissorhands]

Its who you know;)

Being from the wrong side of the tracks makes things hard:yawn:

Most of youse fellas in the same circumstances would be the same useless bludgers... you just dont see it yet is all:sweatdrop

[jasonu]

Me too. So would the majority of people on the dole. Praps those who won't have too high expectations... or enjoy the time more than the money. Either way the jobs aren't there, may as well have the ones that are filled with people who want to work.

Agreed (first time I think).

[SPman]

So what happened after the 90's?
Nine years of Labour achieved...what?

Not anywhere near as much as they should have.....and a lot they shouldn't!

Labour, National, left wing, right wing, - still wings of the same tired old bird!

Until politicians care less about vested self interest, and more about serving the needs of the people that put them in office, and until the voting population actually give a shit about how their lives are governed and take an informed, active interest in who they are voting for and what they propose to do if in office, then things will only get worse.

Unfortunately, I can't see things changing in any way, in the foreseeable future - unless the government pushes too far in misjudging the mood of the population and causes an actual uprising - it might happen, but not in NZ - most people are too cowed and seem to like being kicked - the yearning for a "strong" leader so they don't have to think!

"Timid men prefer the calm of despotism to the tempestuous sea of liberty."

[mashman]

Better warn the RBNZ then.
Because the lack of inflation/increase in OCR and other things........its starting to look like 90's Japan.
Even the houses are too expensive.

:killingme, praps they know... I'll say no more :shifty:... after all, they go with what the know


Agreed (first time I think).

:rofl:... that's because you were thinking this time... J/K. I'll try not to let it happen again :niceone:

[mashman]

Something Mrs Mash pointed out. As the dolies will work their way around not being along ciggies and booze and things won't really change, how much is the card system gonna cost? Cost of cards, card readers and card chargers etc...

[ducatilover]

Something Mrs Mash pointed out. As the dolies will work their way around not being along ciggies and booze and things won't really change, how much is the card system gonna cost? Cost of cards, card readers and card chargers etc...
They use a normal eftpos thingy to read them.