Is 10 years enough for this prick?

[Bikemad]

so the turangi child rapist gets 10 years for fuckin over numerous peoples lives........not anywhere enough i say......typical NZ soft cock sentencing
http://www.facebook.com/#!/profile.php?id=100001555088344

wonder what Kim dotcom is up for

[onearmedbandit]

No amount of time is long enough. I don't care if he was abused as a kid, 'society' failed him back then so what makes us think it will work this time. As I've said before, he's cashed up his life token, no thanks for playing, good night.

[ellipsis]

....no....

[Maha]

^^...agree

[Str8 Jacket]

I too feel that 10 years isn't enough. But then I realised that I don't think he should ever be let out, guess that's not going to happen.....

[mashman]

No amount of time is long enough. I don't care if he was abused as a kid, 'society' failed him back then so what makes us think it will work this time. As I've said before, he's cashed up his life token, no thanks for playing, good night.

I'd like to see a second chance (given 10 years to think about it)... then a bullet.

[Paul in NZ]

Way too light..... NO excuses, she was 5 ffs.....

[Headbanger]

I don't consider you can apply a number to a person or crime of thgis nature.

Shoot the cunt.

And anyone who objects

[sil3nt]

Prison is only going to make him worse. In 10 years time hes going to walk out and back into gang life.

[MSTRS]

Prison is only going to make him worse. In 10 years time hes going to walk out and back into gang life.

Yep.
A rope is cheaper than a bullet. Cos it can be re-used hundreds of times. For all the other sick, evil bastards just like that prick.

[onearmedbandit]

Prison is only going to make him worse. In 10 years time hes going to walk out and back into gang life.

Problem is, it won't be 10yrs. 2/3 with good behaviour? Expect this guy out within 7 years.

[Zedder]

Ten years is not enough but let's hope he meets with an "accident" while in jail, I've heard even hardened crims don't like his type.

[Scuba_Steve]

To be honest, it's more than I was expecting from our (in)Justice system... Lets just hope he gets to meet Bubba, he'll show him some good southern(US) hospitality...
Bubba: "You're my bitch now boy!!!" :buggerd:

[Bikemad]

Problem is, it won't be 10yrs. 2/3 with good behaviour? Expect this guy out within 7 years.


Ten years is not enough but let's hope he meets with an "accident" while in jail, I've heard even hardened crims don't like his type.

and if he recovers from said accident and some of us caring KBers are still around in 7 years or so maybe we could arrange a "fishing trip" for him........you know.......... to aid his rehabilitation and that

[MadDuck]

NO! 10 years is no where near enough for this animal

[placidfemme]

Just read this in the Herald. I'm disguste, but not at all surprised.

In the Herald it looks like this kid has facial tat's. He is gang through and through. Karma better visit this guy, because we all know the NZ system will just hold his hand and give him cuddles, then when he is released way too early and re-offends they will say "but how did this happen?".

[Zedder]

and if he recovers from said accident and some of us caring KBers are still around in 7 years or so maybe we could arrange a "fishing trip" for him........you know.......... to aid his rehabilitation and that

I'm talking about a non recoverable form of accident but certainly, we could take him "fishing' or to the motorcycle "drags".

[Paul in NZ]

Just like the 'family' bears some responsibility for assault on a child within the family I think in this case his family bear some responsibility for this nasty attack on someone elses child. He has gang connections through his family on both sides but I'm not to sure they would protect him inside given his crime.

The victims family have been all class about this and my hat goes off to them. Because of them I'm restraining myself but I sure know what my preferred sentence would be.......

I know this though. We have not heard the last from this guy....

[avgas]

10 years of digging his own grave every day and filling it back up at night, being told that when the 10 are up he won't have to fill it back up again.
Then let him go on the proviso he educates other on how to benefit society.

Could break this cycle thing I keep hearing about. I break things with a sledgehammer.

[MSTRS]

Bailey Kurariki, anyone? "Poor lad, never had a chance" :brick:

[nudemetalz]

The effective range of a Barrett .50cal Sniper rifle is 1.8kms. ....
Need I say any more....

[Zedder]

Just like the 'family' bears some responsibility for assault on a child within the family I think in this case his family bear some responsibility for this nasty attack on someone elses child. He has gang connections through his family on both sides but I'm not to sure they would protect him inside given his crime.

The victims family have been all class about this and my hat goes off to them. Because of them I'm restraining myself but I sure know what my preferred sentence would be.......

I know this though. We have not heard the last from this guy....

You're absolutely right about the victim's family being all class. I don't know how they did it.

I hope what we hear further about the offender is an early death notice.

[Maha]

Bailey Kurariki, anyone? "Poor lad, never had a chance" :brick:

Yet another society louse.

[scissorhands]

What is it with Turangi?

I blame the family... cant see much in his face of any autism or ADHD, that turned up childs nose of his... and the fact he had been to 2 parties and drunk 20-30 beers......

Tauranga's Rena captain guilty too....

ALCOHOL IN EXCESS, MASSIVE FAIL AND TRAGIC OUTCOMES

[Paul in NZ]

What is it with Turangi?



You are kidding right?

Its a sort of gang retirement town and with the prison just up the road its also full of prisoner families wanting to be close to their 'man'....

[scissorhands]

You are kidding right?

Its a sort of gang retirement town and with the prison just up the road its also full of prisoner families wanting to be close to their 'man'....

thanks Paul, I wanted to know why it was always in the news...

[HenryDorsetCase]

. cant see much in his face of any autism or ADHD,


........... the fuck does that mean? you can diagnose mental illness from looking at people? Ima send you my photo, knock yourself out.

[BoristheBiter]

What is it with Turangi?

I blame the family... cant see much in his face of any autism or ADHD, that turned up childs nose of his... and the fact he had been to 2 parties and drunk 20-30 beers......


Not quite sure what you mean by this.

I think I get it but it comes across as "if you have autism or ADHD that will make you rape kids".

Just saying.

[Str8 Jacket]

cant see much in his face of any autism or ADHD, that turned up childs nose of his... and the fact he had been to 2 parties and drunk 20-30 beers......


I too don't quite get what you mean here. Care to explain?

[Scuba_Steve]

I too don't quite get what you mean here. Care to explain?

My guess is he was just trying to say in "PC" terms the guy doesn't look like a retard, so it's not mental incapacity to understand that made him do it

[Str8 Jacket]

My guess is he was just trying to say in "PC" terms the guy doesn't look like a retard, so it's not mental incapacity to understand that made him do it

I have ADHD, I am not a retard and I certainly would not commit a crime such as this.

[Drew]

I think it's too long. Hear me out before the red rep flows though.

If he gets out in a year or two, he'll still look similar to how he does now. Someone similarly minded to myself will recognise him after such a short time, and kill him, while they can still remeber the emotion the offence stirred.

Honestly, in ten years the thought of such a crimb will still turn your stomach, but the current rage will be gone.

[Drew]

I have ADHD, I am not a retard...That's right Hels, you are a very special girl indeed.

[Paul in NZ]

Don't get sidetracked - it slows us down and my burning torch is starting to splutter. I'll top it up with some of my smouldering sense of injustice but we need a bit of the draft as you get with a mob surging forwards...

Feck - its gone out now.... (and you know how hard it is to light these things)

Look - reading the story you get the sense that he didn't really stalk anyone or form an intent to go out and rape a kiddie. However, hes 16, probably not the brightest lamp in the fitting and has been raised around booze, drugs and violence. Hes pissed off his face and feelin large - tries a few car doors not really knowing if hes gunna steal one trash it or rob it and hello this caravans open...

Kid starts screaming and for some reason he does not run off and thats where it all went wrong. Even a normal (ish) criminal would have though, shit, little kids I'm off but not this idiot. He reacts violently and sexually. How the hell you would unprogramme that is beyond me.

[Drew]

How the hell you would unprogramme that is beyond me.Simple priscription. Lead pills. Run you about $2.00 each for nice ones.

[oneofsix]

Simple priscription. Lead pills. Run you about $2.00 each for nice ones.

don't forget the family


You are responsible for your actions but your whanau and extended whanau are responsible for your upbringing which has involved a young man who has committed a serious crime

[Drew]

don't forget the familyWe have a price break at 1000 pills sir, would you like to add to cart?

[oneofsix]

We have a price break at 1000 pills sir, would you like to add to cart?

yes take out the gang mentality 'community' they associated with whilst we are at it, prevent future problems with dysfunctional families

[puddytat]

258799

Best solution, & definitely final....

[Paul in NZ]

don't forget the family

Exactly - how many more like him have they bred.... ticking time bombs just waiting for booze n drugs n opportunity to go off... Track down and eliminate the bomb makers as well.

[scissorhands]

I too don't quite get what you mean here. Care to explain?

He doesnt appear to have autism or ADHD genotype is all I meant. Would you like more from me? or would you care to elaborate your concern with my comment? Amongst the PDD groupings including ASPD, many heartless atrocities, murders and crimes have occurred.

Often these are not always authentic to the offender but born of abuse and bullying.... domino effect.

This guy is ASD and a sociopathhttp://www.cesnur.org/2011/Breivik.jpg

[Scuba_Steve]

I have ADHD, I am not a retard and I certainly would not commit a crime such as this.

Go figure, looking at the symptoms, I'd be ADHD too if I were diagnosed by a doctor, but I haven't been so I'm not :D

also unfortunately you are a retard, but hey everyone's a retard by definition so it's nothing to worry about your just normal :wings:

[scissorhands]

Track down and eliminate the bomb makers as well.

Just like Guy Fawkes?

he was a bomb maker himself:wacko:

[Bikemad]

sorry people........facebook have removed his page/link..............pricks also took down my comments bout him on my page

[Drew]

Seriously though, I would only kill the imediate offender. I'm not a fan of blaming the family entirely, nor the environment in which he grew up. He knows right from wrong, or he couldn't have been tried under our justice system, (piss off Scuba Steve, it's flawed but no one wants to step up and change it, so lump it)!

So, knowing right from wrong he had a choice and he got it wrong epic style.

I would like to know, if the people who fed him booze have been charged with 'supplying a minor'. Bloody near 'reckless endangerment' on their part if I was handing out the charges. Fuck, 'reckless endangerment causing harm'. Jesus Christ, I gotta sign up for the next police intake!

[Zedder]

Seriously though, I would only kill the imediate offender. I'm not a fan of blaming the family entirely, nor the environment in which he grew up. He knows right from wrong, or he couldn't have been tried under our justice system, (piss off Scuba Steve, it's flawed but no one wants to step up and change it, so lump it)!

So, knowing right from wrong he had a choice and he got it wrong epic style.

I would like to know, if the people who fed him booze have been charged with 'supplying a minor'. Bloody near 'reckless endangerment' on their part if I was handing out the charges. Fuck, 'reckless endangerment causing harm'. Jesus Christ, I gotta sign up for the next police intake!

Don't bother with the cop intake, the bleeding heart social workers will work their spin and you'll end up being the one in trouble.

[scissorhands]

Seriously though, I would only kill the imediate offender. I'm not a fan of blaming the family entirely, nor the environment in which he grew up. He knows right from wrong....

Yeah not much else you CAN do. Put the dog down

[Drew]

Yeah not much else you CAN do. Put the dog downDog analogy is no good, they don't know right from wrong, and it should be owners getting lethal injections.

There is a word though, in the English language, that still makes the odd person actually flinch. And offends probably half those that understand it's meaning and inplication.

Shoot the CUNT!

[Drew]

Don't bother with the cop intake, the bleeding heart social workers will work their spin and you'll end up being the one in trouble.Probably, but it would at the very least cause them some inconvenience, and perhaps make them question their actions. It would also tie up the time of some of said bleeding heart social workers, and let the ones who actually do their job well, get on with it.

Win win.

[BoristheBiter]

Dog analogy is no good, they don't know right from wrong, and it should be owners getting lethal injections.

There is a word though, in the English language, that still makes the odd person actually flinch. And offends probably half those that understand it's meaning and inplication.

Shoot the CUNT!

If it had been my child, or any of my family for that matter, he wouldn't have got to trial.

[SMOKEU]

I'm surprised the little cunt got "10" years in jail. We all know he'll be out within 5 years at the most where he will then be released and start raping some other poor female.

[Zedder]

I'm surprised the little cunt got "10" years in jail. We all know he'll be out within 5 years at the most where he will then be released and start raping some other poor female.

If he survives jail....

[MSTRS]

If he survives jail....

Depends where he is sent. Or don't 'they' specialise anymore?

[Zedder]

Depends where he is sent. Or don't 'they' specialise anymore?

Possibly to Whanganui prison where Miller Haapu died after only serving 3 months of his 9 year sentence for rape etc.

[SMOKEU]

If he survives jail....

He will get put in a hotel room of his own, oops, I meant to say "prison cell" to protect him from all the big bad men who want to have their way with him.

Next thing you know his lawyer will make an appeal and his sentence will get reduced so I wouldn't be surprised if he gets paroled after 2 years in jail.

[Tigadee]

In 10 years time hes going to walk out and back into gang life.

I thought even the gangs don't like his type?

[35tickets]

I don't consider you can apply a number to a person or crime of thgis nature.

Shoot the cunt.

And anyone who objects

I couldn't agree more - piece of fucking shit...... 10 years too little for the fucking lowlife scum

[Tigadee]

If it had been my child, or any of my family for that matter, he wouldn't have got to trial.

No, that wouldn't solve anything, and will serve only to punish the family of the victim more.

Hire a hitman, preferably someone off-shore who will disappear as soon as the job's done, not trace, no clues. Plenty of ex-military types who will be happy to rub out such low-life for a small fee, no questions asked.

[newhere]

I'm talking about a non recoverable form of accident but certainly, we could take him "fishing' or to the motorcycle "drags".

I like the way you think!!

10 years isn't close to reasonable for what he's done. Sick fuck, hope he gets what he deserves in jail :mad:

[Smifffy]

If it had been my child, or any of my family for that matter, he wouldn't have got to trial.

I always think it would be better to let them do their time first.

[Zedder]

No, that wouldn't solve anything, and will serve only to punish the family of the victim more.

Hire a hitman, preferably someone off-shore who will disappear as soon as the job's done, not trace, no clues. Plenty of ex-military types who will be happy to rub out such low-life for a small fee, no questions asked.

Perhaps the hitman could do a few more jobs while he's here, there's plenty of gang members around. "Oops sorry, collateral damage....."

[SMOKEU]

Raurangi Marino's mother admits she failed her son and is responsible for a crime so horrific it sent shockwaves around the world.

"I didn't safeguard my children, and I didn't apply myself to looking after them," Lavinia Wall said yesterday.

Marino, 16, crept into a 5-year-old girl's Turangi holiday park caravan and viciously raped the girl four days before Christmas after bingeing on booze and cannabis.

The child suffered serious internal injuries and lost four teeth.

He was jailed yesterday in Rotorua District Court for 10 years for an attack which Judge Phillip Cooper said had inflicted significant emotional and physical harm on both the girl and her parents, who were visiting from Europe.

However, he noted Marino's violent upbringing punctuated with beatings and sexual abuse, and that his parents had been involved in rival gangs.

"You are solely responsible for your actions, but your whanau and external whanau are responsible for your upbringing ... of a young man who has committed a shocking crime."

Ms Wall, a former Black Power associate, said her son endured regular beatings at home.

"I wanted it to stop but I couldn't because I was a hard-out alcoholic and it was the family versus me."

She described Marino as a "good boy, a little naughty. He was just brought up too quick, too young, he got into drugs and alcohol too early. I take a lot of responsibility of what happened, and for his upbringing."

The family was angry at her, she said.

"They call me a bad mother and [say] I have brought up horrible children. I'm deeply sorry for the little girl's family, she will go through trauma for the rest of her life."

Marino's father, Mark Marino – a Taupo Mongrel Mob member – said he feared for his son's safety in prison.

Having served time himself, he knew of prisoners with similar convictions who "just disappeared" in jail.

"The sad thing is that everyone wants him to be chucked in with the lions. From my experience not all like him come out. I'm not able to help him now; he will be on his own for a while."

Mr Marino said he had written to the girl's family and apologised for his son's actions.

He agreed that his son's upbringing had been fraught.

"We all try to be good parents but we can't always be there with our children if they want to go off on their own."

Senior police officers who investigated the attack said it was the worst they had seen in 28 years.

The court was told how Marino was high on alcohol and drugs after drinking 20 to 30 bottles of beer, and RTDs, as well as smoking cannabis at a work function and party.

He stumbled to the Club Habitat holiday park and entered the unlocked caravan, intending to steal.

After raping the girl, he fled when he was discovered by her mother. He later biked to his house shirtless after throwing away his bloodstained T-shirt – "wishing he was dead, and the whole world would want him dead too", according to the summary of facts.

Immersed in a life of gang culture, Marino grew up wanting to emulate his father and join a gang, the court was told.

His childhood was bereft of role models or strong parenting, and marked by excessive violence between his parents, and from his father.

His parents separated when he was 13 and he did not see his mother for three years.

He was badly burned as a child when his siblings ran a hot bath for him, because his mother was drunk.

The injuries to his hands required extensive skin grafts.

A family member sexually assaulted him when he was 9 and again when he was 15, the court heard.

Marino left Tongariro School last May. A month before he attacked the young girl, he attempted suicide after breaking up with his girlfriend.

A pre-sentencing report said he could remember nothing of the attack because of his intoxication levels.

He will serve his sentence in the youth section of an adult prison until he turns 17. He is eligible for parole after serving a third of the sentence but has said he will not apply until he had served five years.

The girl's parents watched yesterday's sentencing from their home in Europe via a video link-up. In a statement, they said they were "relieved a part of this nightmare is finished – even if it is still just a part We would like to thank the court, the police and the people of New Zealand."

The judge said the attack was "every parent's worst nightmare". It included a high level of violence and an element of home invasion. The girl's young age had increased her vulnerability.

Crown prosecutor Fletcher Pilditch said Marino had brought "deep sense of shame to himself, to Turangi and to the country. The community was bewildered by a crime of such severity committed on a victim so young by someone 16 years old."

The girl was vulnerable, powerless and unable to protect herself, he said. She had been unable to sleep properly since.

Taupo Mayor Rick Cooper described the attack as despicable. "It is time society drew a line in the sand and nipped this sort of dysfunctional behaviour in the bud."

Canterbury University sociology professor and criminologist Greg Newbold said children who got into this sort of trouble come from the worst families.

"You don't get many happy, stable families who produce kids who do things like this."

WHAT HAPPENED

Inside the caravan, Raurangi Marino locked the door and grabbed the girl around the neck as she tried to flee.

He began to choke her in an attempt to stop her screams; he did so with such force that she passed out. Then he began to beat her about the face and body with his fists and elbows while sexually assaulting her.

The attack on the girl left her with four teeth knocked out and serious internal injuries.

Both her eyes were swollen shut and she had cuts and bruising to her face.

She was rushed to Waikato Hospital in a life-threatened condition and underwent surgery for 4½ hours.

http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/newreply.php?p=1130271485&noquote=1

[BOGAR]

I was listening to the radio and someone said his sentence was reduced due to his upbringing. The fact that he too was abused as a child (Somehow this makes it less bad?). But the point I am bring here is not that but what was said next. If this is the case and his sentence has been reduced due to this then the person who abused him should then also be charged. This person was a contributing factor in the case (sentence certainly reduced because of it). This would be bloody hard to convict but it would be a start to have some accountability for someone who may have got off completely for doing the crime in the first place. Just a thought but it seems so wrong to be able to commit a crime and get a reduced sentence just because it happened to them. Wrong is still wrong. But then it’s not a justice system it’s a legal system.
Kind of like getting caught for burglary and saying it’s not all my fault because I was robbed last year.
I know there are psychological impacts to consider and that this is a bit simplified but it struck a chord with me. That’s all, just some of my thoughts/opinions. :(

[Paul in NZ]

I was listening to the radio and someone said his sentence was reduced due to his upbringing. The fact that he too was abused as a child (Somehow this makes it less bad?). But the point I am bring here is not that but what was said next. If this is the case and his sentence has been reduced due to this then the person who abused him should then also be charged. This person was a contributing factor in the case (sentence certainly reduced because of it). This would be bloody hard to convict but it would be a start to have some accountability for someone who may have got off completely for doing the crime in the first place. Just a thought but it seems so wrong to be able to commit a crime and get a reduced sentence just because it happened to them. Wrong is still wrong. But then it’s not a justice system it’s a legal system.
Kind of like getting caught for burglary and saying it’s not all my fault because I was robbed last year.
I know there are psychological impacts to consider and that this is a bit simplified but it struck a chord with me. That’s all, just some of my thoughts/opinions. :(

There is a lot of sense in what you say. If his sentence was to be reduced because of his upbringing it should only be done if those responsible serve the 'reduction' amount of the sentence. Since it was obviously their fault they are surely liable.

[willytheekid]

:mad: [pissed my taxes will be feeding & housing this peice of shit and many more like him]

My cost saving solution & deterant-

http://allisterf.files.wordpress.com/2010/09/bullet.gif

...nuff said!

[Zedder]

There is a lot of sense in what you say. If his sentence was to be reduced because of his upbringing it should only be done if those responsible serve the 'reduction' amount of the sentence. Since it was obviously their fault they are surely liable.

Yes, a lot of sense there and I agree with the wider responsibility concept but I can't see the bleeding heart liberals, social workers and human rights activists all going for it. Thanks to their efforts, criminals have more rights than their victims.

[SMOKEU]

I was listening to the radio and someone said his sentence was reduced due to his upbringing. The fact that he too was abused as a child (Somehow this makes it less bad?). But the point I am bring here is not that but what was said next. If this is the case and his sentence has been reduced due to this then the person who abused him should then also be charged. This person was a contributing factor in the case (sentence certainly reduced because of it). This would be bloody hard to convict but it would be a start to have some accountability for someone who may have got off completely for doing the crime in the first place. Just a thought but it seems so wrong to be able to commit a crime and get a reduced sentence just because it happened to them. Wrong is still wrong. But then it’s not a justice system it’s a legal system.
Kind of like getting caught for burglary and saying it’s not all my fault because I was robbed last year.
I know there are psychological impacts to consider and that this is a bit simplified but it struck a chord with me. That’s all, just some of my thoughts/opinions. :(

If the parents are such criminals, then they should have been in jail. If they were in jail, then they wouldn't have had the opportunity to breed, and therefore this monster would never have been born.

John Key is a criminal, and the rest of idiots who make the laws are criminals as well because they ALLOW this sort of behaviour to happen. They ALLOW criminals to be free to breed the next generation of monsters, so they way I see it, the government are the ones who are even more guilty than the parents.

[Tigadee]

I really wonder if the criminal's personal history should be entered into the body of facts presented? So he was abused and neglected. Should he be held less accountable for this heinous crime? A horrific crime is a horrfic crime, what more commited against an innocent child.

What about the short history of the victim, who will now have a long scarred future? The piece of shit perp has had 16+ years to mess up his life, how can the system say "Oh, he was abused and neglected, let's give him a second chance." The victim will never have a second chance, never know peace, never know trust.

What's it say to the world about this country?
"Come to our beautiful green country and get raped and the perp gets a short sentence!"
"100% Pure New Zealand"? Where?
"Godzone"? More like Crimezone!

Does no one in power care any more about the moral and civil standards of this country? So if I grew up in the company of crooks, I should be left off lightly because it's not as bad as if I had an ideal childhood and turned to crime? :facepalm:

[nzspokes]

A lot of people have crap up bringings. Not many rape 5 year olds.

[oneofsix]

I really wonder if the criminal's personal history should be entered into the body of facts presented? So he was abused and neglected. Should he be held less accountable for this heinous crime? A horrific crime is a horrfic crime, what more commited against an innocent child.

What about the short history of the victim, who will now have a long scarred future? The piece of shit perp has had 20+ years to mess up his life, how can the system say "Oh, he was abused and neglected, let's give him a second chance." The victim will never have a second chance, never know peace, never know trust.

What's it say to the world about this country?
"Come to our beautiful green country and get raped and the perp gets a short sentence!"
"100% Pure New Zealand"? Where?
"Godzone"? More like Crimezone!

Does no one in power care any more about the moral and civil standards of this country? So if I grew up in the company of crooks, I should be left off lightly because it's not as bad as if I had an ideal childhood and turned to crime? :facepalm:

Surprised he didn't get a further reduction because he was drunk and high on weed at the time.

[Tigadee]

Precisely, so why should the perp's personal history enter into the picture? Why should it be an excuse, a justification? It should never be allowed as testimony or evidence for defense...

It's like saying "I'm sorry for crashing into your car but I was drunk because I grew up in a family of drinkers, so I should be let off lightly and only pay for your headlight and not the whole front of your car... and house I also crashed into... and dead dog."

The prosecutor should tell the jury to think of their granddaughter, their daughter, little sister, niece, or cousin and then to imagine this piece of scum raping her. That will put an end to this circus!

[oneofsix]

Precisely, so why should the perp's personal history enter into the picture? Why should it be an excuse, a justification? It should never be allowed as testimony or evidence for defense...

The prosecutor should tell the jury to think of their granddaughter, their daughter, little sister, niece, or cousin and then to imagine this piece of scum raping her. That will put an end to this circus!

Suspect it started way back as circumstances that lead to the crime, she stole the food to feed the family, but lawyers have to corrupt and have turned it into any excuse to reduce the client's sentence. Therefore it is the judge's fault for considering the argument in this case, and cases like it.
If anything this crimes background suggests he is incurable and therefore be put down now.

[Zedder]

Precisely, so why should the perp's personal history enter into the picture? Why should it be an excuse, a justification? It should never be allowed as testimony or evidence for defense...

Because of a legal concept called mitigating circumstances. The principle behind it being that circumstances, while not excusing the offenders behaviour, are taken into acount out of fairness or mercy.

[Edbear]

A lot of people have crap up bringings. Not many rape 5 year olds.

Personal experience with several of the issues this raises has made me conclude that such "monsters" are created, not born. If intervention happens early enough they can be changed but their total lack of regard for others is not genetic, it is environment.

Genetics can have a small influence on what a person may be suceptable too but it is entirely upbringing from birth that creates a person capable of this horror.

Yes, he knew it was wrong, even while carrying out the act and I don't believe for a second that he can't remember what he did. I do agree his parents should be held to account for their role.

[oneofsix]

Calling all bleeding hearts.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10789028

Prison is not the right place for Raurangi Mark Marino, who was yesterday sentenced to 10 years' jail for the rape of a five-year-old girl, a Hastings District Council member says.


But Henare O'Keefe - who was named as a national local hero in the New Zealander of the Year awards for his work with combating family violence, mentoring youth, and assisting in the reintegration of prisoners - told Newstalk ZB this morning that Marino would be better off in a marae-based programme where he could learn how to change surrounded by good, solid citizens.

:mad:

They had their chance.

[SMOKEU]

Does no one in power care any more about the moral and civil standards of this country? So if I grew up in the company of crooks, I should be left off lightly because it's not as bad as if I had an ideal childhood and turned to crime? :facepalm:

The government would rather focus on people exceeding speed limits or smoking pot or getting a little bit of wheelspin in their car than focus on the real issues such as violence and dishonesty.

It's the same reason why the penalties for speeding or sustained loss of traction can be much more severe than overtaking on the wrong side of the road around a blind corner. The laws are not designed with logic, they are designed to turn ordinary people into criminals and the real criminals are somehow protected up to a certain extent.

The government doesn't really care about the well-being of the citizens in NZ, they want to screw over ordinary people and give criminals light sentences to make it appear as if they are doing something about crime. I don't blame the police, I blame the politicians as they make the laws.

[Zedder]

Calling all bleeding hearts.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10789028




:mad:

They had their chance.

Exactly, but it won't stop them trying it on!

[Tigadee]

The trouble with allowing "mitigating circumstances" is that it is all hearsay or circumstantial, based on testimony of equally guilty parties. How do we know if the parents didn't actually encourage partaking of booze and drugs?

I don't think the gangs sit around weaving baskets and making sweaters... How do we know he wasn't groomed to become a member of the gangs? We don't... We know nothing 100% except the crime he committed, and thus that is the basis he should be prosecuted on.

If a husband beats up his wife and breaks her back in two places, should he be let off [lightly] because he was drunk because his history involved drugs or alcohol or too much stress?

What happened to punishment fitting the crime? Should Hitler [if he'd been captured alive] be excused because he survived the ravages of WWI and went mad because of traumatic delayed stress? [And no one better say anything about how the two cases are different because only one little innocent girl was raped whereas Hitler killed millions! The point is that a horrific crime is a horrific crime is a horrific crime, the scale is irrelevant.]

But then if the politicians aren't held accountable and don't want to be held accountable, then why should they toughen the very laws that may put them into jail in the first place... It seems they are only patriotic and proud of New Zealand and its image when it comes to trade agreements and rugby.

[Tigadee]

I don't blame the police, I blame the politicians as they make the laws.

Politicians = criminals

[Scuba_Steve]

Prison is not the right place for Raurangi Mark Marino

- who was named as a national local hero in the New Zealander of the Year awards for his work with combating family violence, mentoring youth, and assisting in the reintegration of prisoners - told Newstalk ZB this morning that Marino would be better off in a marae-based programme where he could learn how to change surrounded by good, solid citizens.

You know I think their right... this guy should be relocated to a bed in the urupa part of a marae ASAP

[oneofsix]

The government would rather focus on people exceeding speed limits or smoking pot or getting a little bit of wheelspin in their car than focus on the real issues such as violence and dishonesty.

It's the same reason why the penalties for speeding or sustained loss of traction can be much more severe than overtaking on the wrong side of the road around a blind corner. The laws are not designed with logic, they are designed to turn ordinary people into criminals and the real criminals are somehow protected up to a certain extent.

The government doesn't really care about the well-being of the citizens in NZ, they want to screw over ordinary people and give criminals light sentences to make it appear as if they are doing something about crime. I don't blame the police, I blame the politicians as they make the laws.

But this git was smoking pot before he committed his real crime.
It is fun blaming the police because there are a few on KB that give as good as they get.
The politicians want the support of the people at elections so they make populist laws with the assistance of the media and those people who are too stupid or lazy to stop them.

All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing

[Zedder]

The trouble with allowing "mitigating circumstances" is that it is all hearsay or circumstantial, based on testimony of equally guilty parties. How do we know if the parents didn't actually encourage partaking of booze and drugs?

I don't think the gangs sit around weaving baskets and making sweaters... How do we know he wasn't groomed to become a member of the gangs? We don't... We know nothing 100% except the crime he committed, and thus that is the basis he should be prosecuted on.

Stop by Turangi when you've got a chance, preferably with police backup.

[Scuba_Steve]

The government would rather focus on people exceeding speed limits or smoking pot or getting a little bit of wheelspin in their car than focus on the real issues such as violence and dishonesty.

It's the same reason why the penalties for speeding or sustained loss of traction can be much more severe than overtaking on the wrong side of the road around a blind corner. The laws are not designed with logic, they are designed to turn ordinary people into criminals and the real criminals are somehow protected up to a certain extent.

The government doesn't really care about the well-being of the citizens in NZ, they want to screw over ordinary people and give criminals light sentences to make it appear as if they are doing something about crime. I don't blame the police, I blame the politicians as they make the laws.

It's sorta a bully mentality ain't it, "it's hard to pick on real criminals so we'll pick on the defenceless instead to make ourselves feel good". But thats the sad truth its a much easier life to be a criminal in NZ than try & be law abiding

[Tigadee]

Stop by Turangi when you've got a chance, preferably with police backup.

What does that mean?:scratch:

[Zedder]

Personal experience with several of the issues this raises has made me conclude that such "monsters" are created, not born. If intervention happens early enough they can be changed but their total lack of regard for others is not genetic, it is environment.

Genetics can have a small influence on what a person may be suceptable too but it is entirely upbringing from birth that creates a person capable of this horror.

Yes, he knew it was wrong, even while carrying out the act and I don't believe for a second that he can't remember what he did. I do agree his parents should be held to account for their role.

I agree with criminals being made not born. Environment is so important.

[Swoop]

Stop by Turangi when you've got a chance, preferably with police backup.
There is good fishing and also good hunting to be had in Turangi then?

[Zedder]

What does that mean?:scratch:

Sorry, I should have been clearer. We do have information about how bad an environment Turangi is, also the disfunctional family and the gang connections. It has been published in the newspapers and posted on here. Also, police investigators would have interviews all parties involved, not just the offender, and gained the relevant evidence.

[FJRider]

There is good fishing and also good hunting to be had in Turangi then?

Some "game" you're not allowed to shoot. :(

[Tigadee]

Thanks for the clarification... I guess I shouldn't go as I might be mistaken for a politician (being clueless)... :lol:

[oneofsix]

Some "game" you're not allowed to shoot. :(

shooting trout is sooo unfair :shifty:

[Drew]

Precisely, so why should the perp's personal history enter into the picture? Why should it be an excuse, a justification? It should never be allowed as testimony or evidence for defense...

It was not given in defense. The kid pleaded guilty to all charges.

It was however offered in the statements to the judge, for his consideration at the hearing regarding sentencing.

Now, I've been pretty clear how I feel about the guy who committed the crime. And those who supplied him with drugs, for that matter. But you need to take a wider view of things.

What say, the defendants lawyer had not offered the information that he did about upbringing? The little bastard then has a very real argument for an appeal, on the bassis that his lawyer fail to meet his LEGAL obligations for his client by not presenting all relevant information.

Again, what say in two years when his remorse has ebbed from the constant beetings and maltreatment in the clink, said little bastard decides to get a lawyer (one with less scruples than other lawyers), and make his appeal? He's older now, and can put on the act of agrieved himself for his subjections.

Lawyers have to cover their own arse, more than I have capacity to comprehend. And they swear an oath to do WHATEVER they legally can for their clients. Irrespective of crime or guilt.

[BOGAR]

It was not used in his defence but it was used as a contributing factor to reduce his sentence. Because he had it done to him should in no way be a consideration for a lesser sentence. I agree on the mitigating circumstance side of things. For instance, you are found stealing food because you are hungry. Not because you had something stolen from you. I was always lead to believe 2 wrongs don't make a right. This just shows that 2 wrongs make a not so bad in the eyes of the court. If a previous crime can be used as a defence and the person who committed that crime was not convicted then a new case should be opened and he should also be convicted. If he can not be convicted because there is not enough evidence any-more, then it can not be proven in the court thus can not be used to reduce his guilty plea. If we have to work within the court system to do things then so should everyone. I know so many people who have had to bend over backwards to prove all there statements. Having someone saying that he was abused as a kid so he can get a lighter sentence is not right. The 5 year old sounds lucky to even be alive. This was a serious and disgusting crime and should have been treated as such. To the full extent of the law. Only then as a country do we stand a chance of actually starting to say we don't want this type of treatment any more.

[Drew]

Just imagining a system in which everything that was entered into evidence was investigated. Anyone suspected of guilt tried and sentenced, and so on and so fourth.

People would respect the entire system in short time I suspect. Only thing is, we'd need a shit load more cops, courts, lawyers, and judges. I think it would raise the entire standard of living for the country, required higher taxes and all!

Back on topic though, has anyone engraved a bullet for the guy yet?

[BoristheBiter]

shooting trout is sooo unfair :shifty:

Shooting trout? how do you load it?

[jaffaonajappa]

So,this 16 year old is CLEARLY a fucked up individual - a product of the society (r family) he was raised in.?

If he was 14, would 10 years be enough? What if he was 12, and committed this crime. Would 10 years be enough?

While I agree a punishment should fit the crime, and adhere to the Eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth philosophy in general....sometimes things really aren't black and white.

Oh, by the way. Cost of a 5.56mm projectile is less than one dollar. Cost of jailing this guy, probably in solitary for most of his sentence, will be several million dollars.

[Oblivion]

It's nice to know that in prison, they hate pedophiles.

Edit:

10 years in prison; 1 million$
A 5.56 round; 80c
Giving the fucker the shit that he deserves; Priceless.

[Drew]

Oh, by the way. Cost of a 5.56mm projectile is less than one dollar. Cost of jailing this guy, probably in solitary for most of his sentence, will be several million dollars.

I don't know much about firearms, but I'd pay for a 50 cal for our sniper. I have seen the range on them, (search Canadian sniper on youtube), and it gives the best chance for escape for the shooter.

[oneofsix]

So,this 16 year old is CLEARLY a fucked up individual - a product of the society (r family) he was raised in.?


Been thinking about how fucked up he is. He was sexually abused by his family, was that the Black Power Side or the Mongrel Mob side that is a bunch of homosexual kiddy fiddlers or are the woman so butt ugly that they can't even get their leg over with pissed drugged out gang bangers?

[Drew]

Why was it we can't create eunuchs out of this type of person anymore?

I'm just thinking, it'd cost a little bit to feed them hormones for the rest of their lives, but since they have a bit of a debt to society, we can put them to work helping in womens refuges and the like to pay for it.

[Swoop]

You are correct regarding the lawyers being more pedantic on covering their arses. I was with my lawyer last night and the documents he had prepared had much more "arse covering" going on than the last time I used his services.

Back on topic though, has anyone engraved a bullet for the guy yet?
Why wast money on engraving?
Just send him the normal "to whom it may concern" type.:ar15:

[Zedder]

Lock 'n' load.....

[Tigadee]

The sad thing is this is the sort of thing that strengthens religious fanatics that [western or modern] society has decayed to the extent that religious laws need to be imposed or created to separately govern the nation, e.g. Afghanistan, Pakistan, Iran.

After all, if civil law is failing the people, what alternative is there? Soon there'll be Mormon Courts, Destiny Courts or Islamic Courts, etc... :facepalm: Stupid politicians, lawyers and courts don't seem to understand that - A legal system is not meant to exclude justice but to enforce it!

And do they get a big laugh from calling it Criminal Law when it's more built to protect the guilty and traumatise the innocent?

[Goblin]

Mr Bently has the right idea. The little shit should be castrated!
http://apnregionalnz.newspaperdirect.com/epaper/viewer.aspx

[Drew]

And do they get a big laugh from calling it Criminal Law when it's more built to protect the guilty and traumatise the innocent?

The basis of our system, is spot on. Innocent untill proven guilty. It's the execution of that foundation where we are falling short.

[SMOKEU]

The basis of our system, is spot on. Innocent untill proven guilty. It's the execution of that foundation where we are falling short.

Then explain to me why someone who gets accused of sustained loss of traction gets their vehicle impounded on the spot for 28 days. That's guilty until proven innocent.

Or someone who gets accused by a copyright holder for downloading pirated material. Same deal. Guilty until proven innocent.

Or someone who exceeds a permanent speed limit by more than 40kmh or a temporary one by more than 50kmh. Instant loss of license for 28 days.

The "innocent until proven guilty" thing is only there to protect criminals. The "guilty until proven innocent" is there to screw over ordinary people. The government is run by criminals, for criminals.

[Zedder]

The basis of our system, is spot on. Innocent untill proven guilty. It's the execution of that foundation where we are falling short.

Interesting word that "execution".

[SMOKEU]

Instead of the "bullet method", the chainsaw execution seems good. Look at this:

NOT SAFE FOR WORK!

http://www.bestgore.com/beheading/chainsaw-beheading-video-sinaloa-cartel-members-decapitated-mexico/

[Scuba_Steve]

The basis of our system, is spot on. Innocent untill proven guilty. It's the execution of that foundation where we are falling short.

and if you ignore foundation laws the rest are worthless. It's like building a house but ignoring the foundation, sooner or later the house will collapse. This is what we have in NZ they are constantly building a bigger house of laws while at the same time slowly removing the foundation they rest on.

[Drew]

Then explain to me why someone who gets accused of sustained loss of traction gets their vehicle impounded on the spot for 28 days. That's guilty until proven innocent.The police have been given authority, by our justice system, to remove an obvious threat to public safety when they witness the act of a burnout being staged.

You have the right to argue your case in court, but the only time the cops will use that power, is if they witnessed you doing it. In which case, I can't see why you have a problem with it.


Or someone who gets accused by a copyright holder for downloading pirated material. Same deal. Guilty until proven innocent. If a copyright holder accusses you for downloading their content unlawfully, they first have to make a case to a judge for your prosecution I understand. System being followed their.


Or someone who exceeds a permanent speed limit by more than 40kmh or a temporary one by more than 50kmh. Instant loss of license for 28 days. Same as the burnout thing, you know the rule, you broke it on purpose, a cop saw ya do it, try and get out of it in court.


The "innocent until proven guilty" thing is only there to protect criminals. The "guilty until proven innocent" is there to screw over ordinary people. The government is run by criminals, for criminals.Try for a moment to understand the implication of this sentance. Innocent untill proven guilty.

Simply put, you are not CONVICTED of a crime, untill such time as the evidence proves beyond reasonable doubt that you are in fact, the guilty party.

You might be inconvenienced, but you are not guilty.

[Tigadee]

The basis of our system, is spot on. Innocent untill proven guilty. It's the execution of that foundation where we are falling short.

That's great if the guilty - when found guilty in the end - are held accountable. Are they? A little girl's life and body has been damaged - possibly for the rest of her life - and the perp gets 10 years (probably less)?

Why? Because he was damaged in the first place? And will those who damaged him be held responsible? No. So is the system really working then?

We have 'evolved' from stoning and hanging crims with some collateral damage where a few wrongly-accused innocents are hurt, to holiday camps for most crims where all innocents (that's society at large) are hurt... Innocent despite being Guilty.

[HenryDorsetCase]

If a copyright holder accusses you for downloading their content unlawfully, they first have to make a case to a judge for your prosecution I understand. System being followed their.




Not so. there are two points I object to about the skynet law: the first is that it criminalises a civil wrong, for no good reason I can see, and the second is that all that is required is a copyright holders ASSERTION that their rights are being breached, but no actual "proof in a court of lor to a standard of even balance of probabilitites". Thats your fascist state right there.

What it has done is, instead of focussing the minds of copyright holders on how to deal with new technologies, how to monetise it, how to benefit both their creators and their consumers, it has given legislative penalty, under threat of criminal conviction, to a dinosaur business model. Not only wrong, but stupid too.

[Bikemad]

how bout we have a whip round...........raise some money and offer it as a reward to any crim inside that can get to this prick and ..........you can fill in the rest

[Zedder]

how bout we have a whip round...........raise some money and offer it as a reward to any crim inside that can get to this prick and ..........you can fill in the rest

And "take him fishing"?

As tempting as it sounds, I don't think it's the right way.

[oneofsix]

Not so. there are two points I object to about the skynet law: the first is that it criminalises a civil wrong, for no good reason I can see, and the second is that all that is required is a copyright holders ASSERTION that their rights are being breached, but no actual "proof in a court of lor to a standard of even balance of probabilitites". Thats your fascist state right there.

What it has done is, instead of focussing the minds of copyright holders on how to deal with new technologies, how to monetise it, how to benefit both their creators and their consumers, it has given legislative penalty, under threat of criminal conviction, to a dinosaur business model. Not only wrong, but stupid too.

:Offtopic: but... they don't even have to prove they are the copyright holder. A lot of their cases fail when they had to take them to court as it transpired they did really hold the copyright. It is a bit like say I'm a shoplifting victim because someone shoplifted at the supermarket I go to.

Now back to the real criminals

[Scuba_Steve]

Now back to the real criminals

Na we're talking about child abusing rapist, not "speeders" :shutup:

[Zedder]

:Offtopic: but... they don't even have to prove they are the copyright holder. A lot of their cases fail when they had to take them to court as it transpired they did really hold the copyright. It is a bit like say I'm a shoplifting victim because someone shoplifted at the supermarket I go to.

Now back to the real criminals

It's interesting that you wrote "now back to the real criminals" OO6 because I thought you'd be up in arms about the fact that Government can change a civil wrong to a criminal act arbitrarily and seemingly without thought for the innocent who will be caught up in this Skynet debacle.

[Drew]

"It is better that ten guilty men go free, than one innocent man go to jail".

I concur. Because if I was the one innocent man in a different system, I'd come out of prison a real fuckin psycopath. I doubt I'd ever get over the time lost with my kids and other loved ones. An Christ as my witness, scociety would pay through the nose.

[Tigadee]

Right now, it's ten guilty men go free and a hundred innocents go through hell, because a crime does not only affect the immediate victim...

[HenryDorsetCase]

how bout we have a whip round...........raise some money and offer it as a reward to any crim inside that can get to this prick and ..........you can fill in the rest

give him counselling?

[HenryDorsetCase]

"It is better that ten guilty men go free, than one innocent man go to jail".

I concur. Because if I was the one innocent man in a different system, I'd come out of prison a real fuckin psycopath. I doubt I'd ever get over the time lost with my kids and other loved ones. An Christ as my witness, scociety would pay through the nose.

wasn't Jebus all about the brotherly love and turning the other cheek?

[Maha]

A law expert said yesterday that the charges laid (added together) ment a jail term of 44 years.
Judge was considering 18 years but reduced that to 10 years and he'll be out in 5 years (if he is a good chap whilst inside)
He will be out in time for his 21st birthday.

39 year gap right there.

[nudemetalz]

A law expert said yesterday that the charges laid (added together) ment a jail term of 44 years.
Judge was considering 18 years but reduced that to 10 years and he'll be out in 5 years (if he is a good chap whilst inside)
He will be out in time for his 21st birthday.

39 year gap right there.

Is that a rifle bolt I hear cocking....?

[Kickaha]

While he's inside his dad can look after him http://nz.news.yahoo.com/a/-/mp/13065675/child-rapists-dad-charged-with-assault/ maybe they can share a cell (if he does time)

[Bikemad]

give him counselling?

exactly.............with a cricket bat and a pair of size 10 hobnails

[Tigadee]

wasn't Jebus all about the brotherly love and turning the other cheek?

Well, He certainly meant the other cheek on your face, not your butt cheek! :spanking:

[Drew]

wasn't Jebus all about the brotherly love and turning the other cheek?I'm not religeous, I was using the reference blasphemically. (Is that even a word? I think it should be if it isn't).

[Number One]

Feck how many threads does this little prick get?! As for the sentence 10 years isn't long enough and its likely he won't even serve half of that! Grr

[Drew]

Feck how many threads does this little prick get?! As for the sentence 10 years isn't long enough and its likely he won't even serve half of that! GrrTopics of high contention always get lots of threads. They all end up the same though, theoretical discussion (read uninformed argument), on what SHOULD have happened.

It aint just Kiwibiker though, non internet warriors know that any large group of people act in exactly the same way.

[Number One]

Topics of high contention always get lots of threads. They all end up the same though, theoretical discussion (read uninformed argument), on what SHOULD have happened.

It aint just Kiwibiker though, non internet warriors know that any large group of people act in exactly the same way.

Usually the threads get merged here though...

[caspernz]

Can't defend the young fella, but talk about product of a poor environment...

Guys like him tend to get additional punishment from fellow inmates while behind bars, at least if my prison officer brothers' comments are anything to go by. I don't condone that mind you...

[sil3nt]

http://www.whaleoil.co.nz/2012/03/blaming-the-victim/

seriously WTF.

[thecharmed01]

http://www.whaleoil.co.nz/2012/03/blaming-the-victim/

seriously WTF.

Wow.
Just wow.

I know families are supposed to stick together and all.... but that just sounds delusional!
And her claim that "no rape took place because there wasn't semen" ummmm WTF? Of course there wasn't cause he was interrupted!!!!! She has to be totally off her rocker....

[Number One]

Wow.
Just wow.

I know families are supposed to stick together and all.... but that just sounds delusional!
And her claim that "no rape took place because there wasn't semen" ummmm WTF? Of course there wasn't cause he was interrupted!!!!! She has to be totally off her rocker....

This is not at all surprising to me.

I've watched it in my own fathers family. Denial, rationalisation, minimisation...they are cut from the same cloth though aren't they...if they believe the shocking truth for themselves then what does it say about them?

I don't consider any of my fathers siblings crazy or bad either but I have worked my arse off to ensure they are in NO DOUBT about what their 'model citizen' brother got up to with his grandson.

It's sad, and it's sick but it's how they are coping with it. PLUS he told them all kinds of watered down bullshit about what actually happened...even stooping to telling them that he thought 'maybe he MIGHT have embarrassed my son' but that was all.... TUI please!