Kim Dotcom interview with JC

[jazfender]

http://ondemand.tv3.co.nz/Campbell-Live-Thursday-March-1-2012/tabid/119/articleID/5578/MCat/73/Default.aspx

May change a few opinions of the man who's supposedly responsible for "unprecedented levels of piracy".

I've heard he's a cock but he speaks sense here.

[Maha]

He is a very smart man.

[george formby]

He is a very smart man.

Tis true. I want to see JC interview the FBI now..

[scissorhands]

I believe artists should receive money for their work and not him

I have never used a file share or torrent thingy, always hire or purchase my music or video media (except youtube)

If his fortune is due to talented others, which he pimps without reimbursing them, he needs to pay them back

[Scuba_Steve]

I believe artists should receive money for their work and not him

I have never used a file share or torrent thingy, always hire or purchase my music or video media (except youtube)

If his fortune is due to talented others, which he pimps without reimbursing them, he needs to pay them back

but he doesn't receive money for their work, he receives money for a service he provides. The ones taking money from the artists are the record/studio labels

[BigAl]

KDC had some very valid arguments to support his case and if they are true then it appears he is just being made a scapegoat.

Bigger providers like Youtube, Google etc have been found not guilty of providing a similair service.

What evidence did the NZ police have to arrest and hold him, will it all come out?

Also the inconvienence to his legit customers using Megaupload as a storage repository.

Who would want to use the cloud when this type of shit happens?

[sil3nt]

I believe artists should receive money for their work and not him

I have never used a file share or torrent thingy, always hire or purchase my music or video media (except youtube)

If his fortune is due to talented others, which he pimps without reimbursing them, he needs to pay them backAnd this is the problem. People have a complete lack of understanding about how the company operates.

Youtube, in essence, is exactly the same as megaupload yet you don't seem to have any problem using that?

[Zedder]

Tis true. I want to see JC interview the FBI now..

Yes, me too.

[HenryDorsetCase]

I believe artists should receive money for their work and not him

I have never used a file share or torrent thingy, always hire or purchase my music or video media (except youtube)

If his fortune is due to talented others, which he pimps without reimbursing them, he needs to pay them back

idiot.

he provides a road, and people pay to drive on it. What sort of bike and how they acquired it, cannot be a concern to the road provider.

Did you even watch the fucking interview? Megaupload has always provided a way for people who alledge infringement of their copyright to have links removed, no questions asked.

and: Self righteous twat much?

[Katman]

I believe artists should receive money for their work and not him

I have never used a file share or torrent thingy, always hire or purchase my music or video media (except youtube)

If his fortune is due to talented others, which he pimps without reimbursing them, he needs to pay them back

It's become a bit of a prick finding workshop manuals to download.

[oneofsix]

I believe artists should receive money for their work and not him

I have never used a file share or torrent thingy, always hire or purchase my music or video media (except youtube)

If his fortune is due to talented others, which he pimps without reimbursing them, he needs to pay them back

You are paying a wealthy, greedy studio exec, not the artist. Dotcom is not charging anyone and if you had bother to watch the interview you will see he set the site up for file sharing such as manuals, technical documents etc. He provided the studio with their own access to delete their content, he is not allowed to view what others put on his site.
Get real, this is never been about the artists, it is about protecting a revenue stream for corporations that are too ingrain to change their business model.
This is the mis-use of criminal law to protect civil issues and corporate interests and the mis-use of the civil issues at that.
If it did anything to protect and encourage creativity of artists I would agree with you but as it doesn't and just promotes the raping of artists by the corporation I have to say wise up.

[george formby]

You are paying a wealthy, greedy studio exec, not the artist. Dotcom is not charging anyone and if you had bother to watch the interview you will see he set the site up for file sharing such as manuals, technical documents etc. He provided the studio with their own access to delete their content, he is not allowed to view what others put on his site.
Get real, this is never been about the artists, it is about protecting a revenue stream for corporations that are too ingrain to change their business model.
This is the mis-use of criminal law to protect civil issues and corporate interests and the mis-use of the civil issues at that.
If it did anything to protect and encourage creativity of artists I would agree with you but as it doesn't and just promotes the raping of artists by the corporation I have to say wise up.

Amen, come the revolution..

[scissorhands]

idiot.

he provides a road, and people pay to drive on it. What sort of bike and how they acquired it, cannot be a concern to the road provider.

Did you even watch the fucking interview? Megaupload has always provided a way for people who alledge infringement of their copyright to have links removed, no questions asked.

and: Self righteous twat much?

my bad, I'm badly informed here, its an area I have no knowledge of :Oops:

[SimJen]

the fact our gubberment has buckled to pressure from the keepers of the worlds peace is ridiculous in itself.
For us to then put someone (who we deem to be guilty by the word of the people who told us Saddam had WMD's) in prison for over a month on no real charges is just friggen unjust!
We can't be walked over by someone else's corporate interests, the Music and movie companies in the US spend millions on lobbying the politicians to stop any type of copyright infringement but fail to fathom the full concept of the internet. The FBI has just picked on KDC as a scape goat as he rightly says, he was an easy target.
Next thing we'll be sending SAS to keep the oil supply going in Iran!

[george formby]

the fact our gubberment has buckled to pressure from the keepers of the worlds peace is ridiculous in itself.
For us to then put someone (who we deem to be guilty by the word of the people who told us Saddam had WMD's) in prison for over a month on no real charges is just friggen unjust!
We can't be walked over by someone else's corporate interests, the Music and movie companies in the US spend millions on lobbying the politicians to stop any type of copyright infringement but fail to fathom the full concept of the internet. The FBI has just picked on KDC as a scape goat as he rightly says, he was an easy target.
Next thing we'll be sending SAS to keep the oil supply going in Iran!

Hark, t'is true. Modern governance stands for business. No doubt our fledgling movie industry picking up Hollywoods crumbs has been mentioned in dispatches. Big sticks & big dollars prevail.

Dotcoms comparisons in his interview certainly begs the question "Why just him?"

[avgas]

Yeah I have to admit I think its pretty poor they try and pull this shit here. Video and Music industry need to get their shit sorted rather than just doing secret handshakes to take down the likes of KDC.

Here is a paper I did a while ago at how the music industry is shot to hell and needs to wake up to the idea they can't just stomp their feet and say "its no fair anymore".

http://blindmanagement.blogspot.co.nz/2012/03/decay-growth-in-music-industry.html

[Big Dave]

idiot.

Self righteous twat much?


Sounds like you indignantly justifying what you knew to be infringing downloads to yourself.

[Big Dave]

The ones taking money from the artists are the record/studio labels

The difference is they do it with the artist's consent.

[SimJen]

The difference is they do it with the artist's consent.

Haha, not always. Plenty of bands in the 80's/90's ripped off bigtime by labels!

[HenryDorsetCase]

Sounds like you indignantly justifying what you knew to be infringing downloads to yourself.

Nah, I had a bad morning. I feel kind of bad for jumping on that guy but whatever, its the internets and I'm an asshole.

In terms of downloads, I don't download music. I do infringe copyright by ripping CD's to my HDD and then listening to them on my portable devices (yes Virginia, that shit is unlawful in EnZed, there is no "Fair use" exemption such as even the fascist state of Mrky has). I am a paying member of emusic, and I buy CD's from all over the world. I also pay download or get free downloads from artist's sites.

As for TV, I download that shit all day every day. If that makes me a hypocrite, so be it. My motivation is that I want to watch that shit when I want to watch it, not when the shaved chimps want to show it to me, so fuck them. Monetise it, make it a pay service at a reasonable price and I am all up in that shit. You know, like say Netflix, or Hulu.

Films, no. I'd rather wait a bit and buy the DVD or blu ray (basically the filesizes at decent quality are too expensive and slow here).


What really gripes me is that powerful vested commercial interests, instead of adapting to forever changed climate, embracing that, and learning how to make money from it, have inveigled legislative intervention. It is the classic Ozymandias hubris, and it gets my goat.

so, uh, there.

[Brett]

What an interesting interview. He is incredibly well spoken and well informed. He also puts his arguement forward very well. He has certainly swung my view. US authorities trying to make a statement with an easy target.

[HenryDorsetCase]

The difference is they do it with the artist's consent.

Oh come on! You've been round long enough to know that the history of the music business is the history of rich fat bastards ripping off talented people.

The way to make money in the music business is touring, and T shirts. physical media are a loss leader to get punters to a show. For consumers this is great. Not so for (say) Crosby Stills and Nash who instead of waiting for their royalty cheques every quarter have to get off their chuffs and tour again.

[george formby]

It is the classic Ozymandias hubris, and it gets my goat.

so, uh, there.

Ain't heard that for a while:clap:

Yup, if I could download what I want safely & quickly for a couple of sheckels, I would be in like a rat up a drain pipe. Times that by a few 100 million & it's win win.

[Big Dave]

Oh come on! You've been round long enough to know that the history of the music business is the history of rich fat bastards ripping off talented people.

The way to make money in the music business is touring, and T shirts. physical media are a loss leader to get punters to a show. For consumers this is great. Not so for (say) Crosby Stills and Nash who instead of waiting for their royalty cheques every quarter have to get off their chuffs and tour again.


I don't think so - Not any more. The are plenty of stories of failed promoters and tours over here. Perhaps unless you are one of the acts anointed by the labels, still. The promotional Catch-22.

Self-publishing like (dare we say) 'Prince' and his ilk, or (shudder) corporate funding (OK Go) seems like the money model now. But as it's always done, it basically depends on talent.

[JimO]

his wife is a hottie as well

[Big Dave]

and it gets my goat.

I bet it doesn't get your goat as much as sweating blood over an original creative effort and then have someone use it without permission. It's not entirely about the money.

[SMOKEU]

The only reason he got arrested is because the jews are out to get him. The big music companies are run by jews, John Key is a jew and Kim is German.

[Big Dave]

download what I want safely & quickly for a couple of sheckels, I would be in like a rat up a drain pipe. Times that by a few 100 million & it's win win.


So what is stopping you? There are numerous options.

[Big Dave]

The only reason he got arrested is because the jews are out to get him. The big music companies are run by jews, John Key is a jew and Kim is German.

Cool story Bro.

[george formby]

So what is stopping you? There are numerous options.

It's more than a few sheckels & a long way off quick. True, it is getting their, though. My other hindrance is a dislike for all things Apple.

[Big Dave]

It's more than a few sheckels & a long way off quick. True, it is getting their, though. My other hindrance is a dislike for all things Apple.


Download from Amazon is still cheaper than buying CD's. Pretty quick on my box too.

[SMOKEU]

Download from Amazon is still cheaper than buying CD's. Pretty quick on my box too.

Downloading from www.torrents.to is even cheaper.

[Big Dave]

Downloading from www.torrents.to (http://www.torrents.to) is even cheaper.


Depends on the price of your conscience.

[SMOKEU]

Depends on the price of your conscience.

I don't see what having a conscience has to do with digital media piracy. It's like comparing a cheesecake to a Ducati.

[Katman]

Getting back to workshop manuals........

Who exactly am I ripping off? (Fuck Mr Haynes and Mr Clymer - their manuals contain so many mistakes you're better off doing the job blind-folded while paralytic).

For the motorcycle manufacturers to copyright their manuals and make them unavailable to the public is nothing short of trying to line their dealer's pockets.

[Big Dave]

I don't see what having a conscience has to do with digital media piracy. It's like comparing a cheesecake to a Ducati.


It's Cheesecake that someone else stole from the shop.

And even if it's only a corporate crumb, the artist doesn't get the bit they are entitled to.

[Big Dave]

Just desserts - geddit!

[TripleZee Dyno]

You are paying a wealthy, greedy studio exec, not the artist. Dotcom is not charging anyone and if you had bother to watch the interview you will see he set the site up for file sharing such as manuals, technical documents etc. He provided the studio with their own access to delete their content, he is not allowed to view what others put on his site.
Get real, this is never been about the artists, it is about protecting a revenue stream for corporations that are too ingrain to change their business model.
This is the mis-use of criminal law to protect civil issues and corporate interests and the mis-use of the civil issues at that.
If it did anything to protect and encourage creativity of artists I would agree with you but as it doesn't and just promotes the raping of artists by the corporation I have to say wise up.

Last year Megaupload started trialing Mega Box a new music distribution service with a twist
from KDC interview
That is, MegaUpload was planning to offer 90 percent of revenues back to artists, even on free downloads. Which sort of fits into a very shady revenue model that actually paid uploaders based on the number of subsequent downloads received. "We have a solution called the MegaKey that will allow artists to earn income from users who download music for free," Dotcom outlined. "Yes that's right, we will pay artists even for free downloads. The MegaKey business model has been tested with over a million users and it works."

With MegaBox the uploaders will be the artists themselves.
Imagine if this caught on

KDC' opinion of the major labels

"These guys think an iPad is a facial treatment, the internet is the devil, and wired phones are still hip," Schmitz blasted. "They are in denial about the new realities and opportunities. They don't understand that the rip-off days are over. Artists are more educated than ever about how they are getting ripped off and how the big labels only look after themselves."

[Big Dave]

Yep - self-publishing - even like that site Fatt Max uses seem like the future.
The challenge for emerging artists is the getting the punters to the site.

It's still a long way....

[SPman]

Dotcoms comparisons in his interview certainly begs the question "Why just him?"
Well - perhaps this sums it up......


One of the key rules to winning any fight is to make sure you always pick on someone who's small enough that you can guarantee to prevail over them -- which is what the FBI seems to have done in this case.

Can you imagine the massive fallout and public reaction if the Feds had taken down YouTube in the way they took down MegaUpload?
Oh the humanity -- think of all the poor videos of cats playing the piano that would be lost forever!
Let's face it, the public outrage would have been greater than any government would ever want to create -- and the MPAA/RIAA also knew that killing YouTube would effectively produce so much resentment that their own industries would feel a possibly fatal backlash.

So they opted to knock out MegaUpload. It was big enough to represent a significant precedent but small enough that it wouldn't be a major problem to bully NZ's own law enforcement agencies into submission as an ally.

Now I'm pretty sure that, based on the events to date and our own government's unbridled enthusiasm to suck up to the USA, Dotcom will be extradited to the USA to face trial.
I am also pretty certain that he will be found guilty of at least some of the charges that have been laid against him -- not because he is guilty but because the USA's justice system is even more cheque-book driven than our own and the RIAA/MPAA have purchased some very powerful allies in the halls of power.
When this happens, the big question will have to be -- "who is next?"
When the USA effectively dismantles the carrier-indemnification aspect of the DMCA, the whole model of user-created content online will be destroyed.
No company (inside or outside of the USA) will be willing to risk being raided at gunpoint and having their management incarcerated through the actions of their users -- as has happened with Kim Dotcom.
Of course, without sites willing to host user-generated content, the freedom of speech that the Net currently provides will be well and truly quashed.
Which is perhaps another reason why the US government (and most governments in fact) are so keen to lend the Feds a hand to crush the likes of Kim Dotcom.
Enjoy your freedom while it lasts perhaps?
And -- it's goodbye to the cloud.

[tigertim20]

I believe artists should receive money for their work and not him

I have never used a file share or torrent thingy, always hire or purchase my music or video media (except youtube)

If his fortune is due to talented others, which he pimps without reimbursing them, he needs to pay them back

Really?
well lets think about that a minute.
Pimps get rich off sluts that can deepthroat.
its the same in any business. You go and get a job, your boss sends you out, and charges you at $50, 60, 70, whatever an hour, and pays you what, 15, 20, 25 an hour. Your boss, and everyone elses boss in the world is getting rich off the abilities and talents of others.

I dont see a massive difference between the two.
In the case of the artist, their songs get big as a result of radio play and massive record sales, so more often that not, their songs etc arent downloaded until after the item has already become big, and already generated a massive income.
further, look at the cost of a CD nowadays vs the cost of a taoe 10 or 15 years ago, the cost of buying music has gone up, despite the fact that producing CDs etc is generally lower than the cost of producing taoes etc years ago.
On top of that, as it is, artists continue, on a regular basis to outsell yesteryears greatest hits etc, so the sales are still increasing, the cost of buyign is going up, the cost of producing is going down . . .

and really, when you make a 3 minute song and make 25 million dollars off it, you can fuck up about some half broke cunt who downloaded your song, because he didnt want to pay $30 plus for a shit filled CD with 18 boring, mindless, shit songs on it when they only wanted one fucking song.

[Big Dave]

and really, when you make a 3 minute song and make 25 million dollars off it, you can fuck up about some half broke cunt who downloaded your song, because he didnt want to pay $30 plus for a shit filled CD with 18 boring, mindless, shit songs on it when they only wanted one fucking song.

The issue for me is the emerging artists who make a small amount from their three minute song (or Filmakers, writers, or doodle artists) - and don't get an opportunity to make another one because they were ripped off on a download site.
That punter could legally buy the one song for a buck or two now.

[HenryDorsetCase]

So what is stopping you? There are numerous options.

not realistic, not cross platform, not available in New Zealand. (referring to my recent emusic experiences.)

[HenryDorsetCase]

Getting back to workshop manuals........

Who exactly am I ripping off? (Fuck Mr Haynes and Mr Clymer - their manuals contain so many mistakes you're better off doing the job blind-folded while paralytic).

For the motorcycle manufacturers to copyright their manuals and make them unavailable to the public is nothing short of trying to line their dealer's pockets.

well, from a manufacturers perspective, isnt that the point?

[HenryDorsetCase]

The issue for me is the emerging artists who make a small amount from their three minute song (or Filmakers, writers, or doodle artists) - and don't get an opportunity to make another one because they were ripped off on a download site.
That punter could legally buy the one song for a buck or two now.

isn't the massive growth in pay download sites evidence for the proposition that most people, most of the time dont want to be criminals, or to rip off struggling artists? As I have said, (about music) I go out of my way to buy stuff when I could download it for nothing more than the cost of the internet connection. I love my rock and roll and I want the people who make it to be able to continue to make it.

But TV? The shaved chimps are going to air that shit for free, au, so why should I pay? unless I love it so much I spend $350 on DVDs (TRAILER PARK BOYS FTW)

[HenryDorsetCase]

The issue for me is the emerging artists who make a small amount from their three minute song (or Filmakers, writers, or doodle artists) - and don't get an opportunity to make another one because they were ripped off on a download site.
That punter could legally buy the one song for a buck or two now.

the converse of that of course is the struggling unknown artist who gets a song used in a TV show, or movie. They instantly get a bunch of new fans, opportunities to tour, and maybe sell a few rekkids.: two examples: Bic Runga (they used "Sway" in that movie), and my current favourite artist: Mr Rench. Rench wrote the theme song for the TV show JUSTIFIED and i like it so much I have gotten his CD (emusic) and have been spreading the word (including in the music threads here and the other boards I am on). He would never have come on my radar otherwise, and hopefully he has gained a few fans because of it.

JovA1T98IdU


I was tempted to nick something off your site and post it here but you're a fair bit bigger than me, and you might not see the humour in it. I do see your point of view, and I dont have the answers. And as a sometime producer of original content (which I have seen used by others without permission) I get both sides of the argument. What I do think is that it won't be solved in this legislative framework, and any record label or whatever that does sort this stuff out will be the leader of the new world. In the meantime, they criminalise potential customers, which just can't be good business sense.

[Katman]

well, from a manufacturers perspective, isnt that the point?

Does it make it morally right? (From the point of view of an individual trying to make a living).

Imagine the cost to an independant private workshop requiring manuals for every bike made.

[psykonosis]

It's amazing to watch as the events continue to unfold. The whole concept in New Zealand innocent until proven guilty seems be fall short when the USA claims they want to extradite a NZ resident and in doing so strip one of all their possessions. People may argue that he is a pirate but he had setup the site for a legitimate reason, to share large files. I'm sure anyone here in NZ that has tried to send a large file attachment via email can relate to what Kim talks about. The other thing in NZ is that our bandwidth is so slow it can take ages for us to get a response saying that the email wasn't able to send. Does that mean youtube and icloud and microsoft have to start watching out for the services they provide? He's got a good attitude to fight the allegations, doesn't come across as what the media describe him as. With the legal team behind him he's keen to fight this all the way!

[Big Dave]

isn't the massive growth in pay download sites evidence for the proposition that most people, most of the time dont want to be criminals, or to rip off struggling artists? As I have said, (about music) I go out of my way to buy stuff when I could download it for nothing more than the cost of the internet connection. I love my rock and roll and I want the people who make it to be able to continue to make it.



I agree - I don't think that's what we are discussing.
And as I said - it depends on the price of one's conscience.

[Big Dave]

not realistic, not cross platform, not available in New Zealand. (referring to my recent emusic experiences.)


You just have to be smarter than the computer. :-)

[Katman]

People need to see that this is extending way beyond music and movies.

There are many people disadvantaged by the knee jerk prohibition response, that don't deserve to be.

[hayd3n]

i see this in the same light as i see a shipping company or storage company
they provide the service
but they have hardly any idea what is in the containers /ship and if there was illegal stuff in them its the resposibility of the content owner/sender not the freight company /storage holder

[Berries]

Having just watched the interview I have done a complete 180. From not giving a shit about some fat kraut pirate I now think that, if everything he said was true, the NZ Government should be fucking ashamed of kowtowing to the USA. Fuckers.


And for a German he came across quite well.

[Virago]

Having just watched the interview I have done a complete 180. From not giving a shit about some fat kraut pirate I now think that, if everything he said was true, the NZ Government should be fucking ashamed of kowtowing to the USA. Fuckers...

It was the price we paid for The Hobbit. Good deal, eh?

[scumdog]

Having just watched the interview I have done a complete 180. From not giving a shit about some fat kraut pirate I now think that, if everything he said was true, the NZ Government should be fucking ashamed of kowtowing to the USA. Fuckers.


And for a German he came across quite well.

'Don't mention the war

I did once - I think I got away with it'

You would think with all those brains he would figure out what made him into Mr Blimp Zeppilin.

[Big Dave]

i see this in the same light as i see a shipping company or storage company
they provide the service
but they have hardly any idea what is in the containers /ship and if there was illegal stuff in them its the resposibility of the content owner/sender not the freight company /storage holder

Hmmm - that makes sense too. It's the user's call.

[riffer]

i see this in the same light as i see a shipping company or storage company
they provide the service
but they have hardly any idea what is in the containers /ship and if there was illegal stuff in them its the resposibility of the content owner/sender not the freight company /storage holder

That's a fairly interesting analogy.

Say for example you intended to smuggle 100kgs of heroin into the country hidden inside some furniture, for example. Customs find it at the docks, and DB Schenker owners are arrested because their company arranged the shipping to New Zealand.

Doesn't work that way does it?

[PeeJay]

Hmmm - that makes sense too. It's the user's call.

Exactly. When they find drugs/whatever being sent via the postal system do they shut the post office and arrest the postman?

Safety deposit boxes in banks, full of dodgy stuff,

The yanks are having a go at an Aussie guy as well, sold some bits and pieces to an Iranian guy

http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/political-news/us-accuses-local-supplier-of-selling-weapons-to-iran-20120301-1u5yu.html

[jaffaonajappa]

Last year Megaupload started trialing Mega Box a new music distribution service with a twist
from KDC interview
That is, MegaUpload was planning to offer 90 percent of revenues back to artists, even on free downloads. Which sort of fits into a very shady revenue model that actually paid uploaders based on the number of subsequent downloads received. "We have a solution called the MegaKey that will allow artists to earn income from users who download music for free," Dotcom outlined. "Yes that's right, we will pay artists even for free downloads. The MegaKey business model has been tested with over a million users and it works."

With MegaBox the uploaders will be the artists themselves.
Imagine if this caught on

KDC' opinion of the major labels

"These guys think an iPad is a facial treatment, the internet is the devil, and wired phones are still hip," Schmitz blasted. "They are in denial about the new realities and opportunities. They don't understand that the rip-off days are over. Artists are more educated than ever about how they are getting ripped off and how the big labels only look after themselves."

Interesting post.
I imagine the MPAA(?) and music distributors would be very interested in finding a way to prevent this. Their middle-man funding would disappear overnight otherwise.

Oh wait. Perhaps they found a way.....

[Big Dave]

I was tempted to nick something off your site and post it here but you're a fair bit bigger than me, and you might not see the humour in it.

I don't put anything online I would mind a friend using or someone getting benefit from. It is nice to asked, but not obligatory.

When I have been paid a fee for it and a publisher still owns the rights, then it pisses me off if they are undermined by seeing it republished without permission. But I don't put it online in that case.

Speaking of - check this! - I scored the lead story in this month's Heavy Duty Mag.

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7068/6799897344_df51642b9c.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/bigdavespics/6799897344/)
Heavy Duty Cover = Lead Story by BD (http://www.flickr.com/photos/bigdavespics/6799897344/) by Big Daves Pics (http://www.flickr.com/people/bigdavespics/), on Flickr

Chuffed as a chuffed thing on national chuffing day.

[Berries]

It was the price we paid for The Hobbit. Good deal, eh?
Yeah, films about mystical midgets hold my attention.

[sinfull]

It's become a bit of a prick finding workshop manuals to download.

I have a couple

[sinfull]

I support the cunt 100%, no way i'd like to see the FBI (paid by corporates no doubt) beat this guy down !

Freedom of speech would be next, our rights have dwindled so much in the last 20 yrs !
Soon no-one will know nothing of whats going on around them, bar what the media is allowed to portray and the fact that they are finding it hard to make ends meet !

Dotcomoi !!! Let's protest ?

[Macontour]

Yes, he is a very smart guy. He seemed to have solid answers to every question and there was no hesitation or dodging of the questions. i also thought of the example of the storage facility owner not being responsible for what actually happens in the lockups he provides.

KDC also pointed out the ability of the big companies to remove stuff they didn't want there, somewhere in the millions had already been removed. 800 files per second going through his site. How is anyone supposed to police that??

He seemed a genuine nice guy with an awesome grasp of colloquial Kiwi English.

And if the music and movie industries stopped using their "old business model" of releasing movies etc at differing times globally that would probably stop much of the "piracy" that happens.

And the extradition hearing is still 6 months away. If he is that big a criminal how come he didn't get put on the first flight to US and A?

[sinfull]

And the extradition hearing is still 6 months away. If he is that big a criminal how come he didn't get put on the first flight to US and A?
Because NZ is the model country !

Been the testing ground for everything from cell phones to plastic money since the 60's

Why not try this shit on a country of 4 mill before they test it anywhere else where there's 4 mill per city !

Set a precedent they must, to keep feeding the corporate machine and it's greedy engineers and where better to find all the pitfalls in a case like this than in gods-own where the apathetic reign !

I say stop them taking him !
NZ let him come to NZ because of the money he brung wid him ??? But not good enough to protect like a NZ citizen ??? Pfffft NZ citizen, more like lambs waiting to feed a corporate function !!!

Roll over John Key, big brother says so !

[jazfender]

Yep - self-publishing - even like that site Fatt Max uses seem like the future.
The challenge for emerging artists is the getting the punters to the site.

It's still a long way....

This, although the future is already here.

A lot of bands self-publish through sites like soundcloud, bandcamp, last.fm, dropbox etc. As well as the billion different mixtape sites.

Getting people to the site is mainly the provider's job which works in a nice kind of harmony with the artists.

Artists paying for the service not only get to self-publish, they also get the flow-on advantage of wider audiences through the site's traffic. In turn, the artists promote the site.

Everybody wins, except for the old model suits and the RIAA. Boohoo.

[tigertim20]

And if the music and movie industries stopped using their "old business model" of releasing movies etc at differing times globally that would probably stop much of the "piracy" that happens.



This comment right here is bang on the money I reckon. why the fuck do I have to wait 6 months to watch a movie my sister can watch tonight? its dumb.

Im not real keen on the NZ govt bowing down and sucking the FBI's cock. He is in NZ, and from what I see in the media, it looks like the FBI are demanding that, on NZ soil, we should treat this guy according to American law. theres a serious problem here if thats whats going on

[The Lone Rider]

Someone in my family happens to be his lawyer (or one of them).

He'll walk, is what I reckon.

[Swoop]

Someone in my family happens to be his lawyer (or one of them).

He'll walk, is what I reckon.
Hopefully with a shitload of compensation for what he has been put through.

[ducatilover]

Interesting interview, KDC is very well spoken and even laughed, odd for a Kraut...

I agree that he isn't responsible for the piracy, there were obviously systems for the rightful owners to remove files. Also, picking him was a good choice (from a cunty corporate fascist regime view) because he has a history of hacking and fraud.

[avgas]

The only reason he got arrested is because the jews are out to get him. The big music companies are run by jews, John Key is a jew and Kim is German.
So were most of the Jews once.
What you wanted to say was KDC was a Nazi.

But you find it hard to understand that not all Germans are Nazi and not all Jews hate Germans.
Double-Dutch?:lol:

[avgas]

Hopefully with a shitload of compensation for what he has been put through.
Would you pay for it?
Because guess who is going to pay him settlement. Won't be the US......they didn't arrest him. The crown did.

[avgas]

I was tempted to nick something off your site and post it here but you're a fair bit bigger than me, and you might not see the humour in it. I do see your point of view
Leaving content on a public (or even 'semi-public') website is like leaving the keys in the ignition at the petrol station.

Have a cry about it because
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_Iu0cg9oIfo8/SzTDeJwUMYI/AAAAAAAAEU8/q-iolyeRBaw/s400/Who+you+gonna+call%3F.jpg

[SMOKEU]

So were most of the Jews once.
What you wanted to say was KDC was a Nazi.

But you find it hard to understand that not all Germans are Nazi and not all Jews hate Germans.
Double-Dutch?:lol:

The jews have been pissed off ever since the NSDAP came to fruition, now they're out to take over the world.

[Virago]

The jews have been pissed off ever since the NSDAP came to fruition, now they're out to take over the world.

http://images.wikia.com/wikiality/images/5/52/Baby_hitler.jpg

[SMOKEU]

LMFAO that's awesome!

[Big Dave]

Leaving content on a public (or even 'semi-public') website is like leaving the keys in the ignition at the petrol station.




I call it advertising. :blip:

[scumdog]

i see this in the same light as i see a shipping company or storage company
they provide the service
but they have hardly any idea what is in the containers /ship and if there was illegal stuff in them its the resposibility of the content owner/sender not the freight company /storage holder

Hmm drawing a long bow there - if you said the shippers knew what they were shipping was illegal but it wasn't actually for themselves you would be closer to the mark imho...

[k14]

Hmm drawing a long bow there - if you said the shippers knew what they were shipping was illegal but it wasn't actually for themselves you would be closer to the mark imho...
No, he is spot on. The postal service would never do that because it is impractical to do so on the volume of parcels/letters that go through it. Same thing for megaupload, 800 files per second and it would be very difficult if not impossible to have a foolproof way of doing it unless a human looked at every single one.

[Big Dave]

You tube does it electronically. Data matching software.

I've received a 'do you have a licence for this music?' less than a minute after it was uploaded.

The answer was yes, but they still stuck ads on the video till the reply was processed.

They also removed one of my vids of riding a Gold Wing - because a few bars of Bon Jovi was playing on the bike's stereo as I rode along. Also electronically matched - even over the wind noise.

[k14]

You tube does it electronically. Data matching software.

I've received a 'do you have a licence for this music?' less than a minute after it was uploaded.

The answer was yes, but they still stuck ads on the video till the reply was processed.

They also removed one of my vids of riding a Gold Wing - because a few bars of Bon Jovi was playing on the bike's stereo as I rode along. Also electronically matched - even over the wind noise.
Yeah sure its possible but far from 100% accurate. And I will be very surprised if the ways of matching movies and tv shows are even remotely as advanced.

[ducatilover]

The jews have been pissed off ever since the NSDAP came to fruition, now they're out to take over the world.
Does being born a Jew mean you're genetically predisposed to being a money hungry coont?

[nosebleed]

Does being born a Seth Efrikan mean you're genetically predisposed to being a coont?

Fixed that for ya.

Yes.

[SMOKEU]

Does being born a Jew mean you're genetically predisposed to being a money hungry coont?

Pretty much.

[HenryDorsetCase]

You tube does it electronically. Data matching software.

I've received a 'do you have a licence for this music?' less than a minute after it was uploaded.

The answer was yes, but they still stuck ads on the video till the reply was processed.

They also removed one of my vids of riding a Gold Wing - because a few bars of Bon Jovi was playing on the bike's stereo as I rode along. Also electronically matched - even over the wind noise.

some might applaud one less iteration of bon jovi anywhere in the world as being a GOOD THING

[scumdog]

Does being born a Jew mean you're genetically predisposed to being a money hungry coont?


And does being a money hungry coont automatically make you a Jew?:confused::shifty:

And if you're not a money hungry coont what does that make you? - a Yarpie?

[Big Dave]

some might applaud one less iteration of bon jovi anywhere in the world as being a GOOD THING

It was on the radio, although there are some on my playlists. There are a few good ones - and some dross.

[Swoop]

Would you pay for it?
Because guess who is going to pay him settlement. Won't be the US......they didn't arrest him. The crown did.
Two preferred options.
1. The US, who pressed the prosecution forward.
2. The NZ Police budget. If their prosecutions fail, then it comes out of their budget. Same for all domestic prosecutions as well.

[ducatilover]

Fixed that for ya.

Yes.
My mistake, my superior white fingers got muddled up.


Pretty much.
Thank fuck I'm not a Jew then (mind you, if I was, I could buy some wicked bikes)

And does being a money hungry coont automatically make you a Jew?:confused::shifty:

And if you're not a money hungry coont what does that make you? - a Yarpie?

Not being money hungry makes you a Yarpie? We're all screwed.
Bloody Jews, really have got us beat.

[Berries]

2. The NZ Police budget. If their prosecutions fail, then it comes out of their budget. Same for all domestic prosecutions as well.
Hmmmm. A minus 4 km/h tolerance?