Ultra-low flyby of a DC-3!

[nudemetalz]

I nearly ducked under the desk !!!! :shit::shit::shit::shit:

This is either clever flying or stupid risk of a fine aircraft..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=15DcHmuuhig

[Zedder]

Brilliant, thanks.

[george formby]

Wadio controlled DC-3 me thinks. Then again, I'm not one of the worlds great thinkers

Just watched it again, dunno....

[ellipsis]

...my bro-in-law flew those for a long time...New Guinea and such places...swears they were/are the toughest ,best aeros ever made...and from some of his tales of where they had to operate, that seems fairly standard stuff...

[Maha]

This one is...well....fuck me!


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[Zedder]

Wadio controlled DC-3 me thinks. Then again, I'm not one of the worlds great thinkers

Just watched it again, dunno....

I don't think so George, the proportion's right etc.

[george formby]

I don't think so George, the proportion's right etc.

That is what I weighed up the second time, distance, time, scenery. Not sure how they managed to get so much plane in frame so close but the change in focus looks kosher.

I had a ride in one a few years ago. My ears only stopped ringing recently.

[Zedder]

That is what I weighed up the second time, distance, time, scenery. Not sure how they managed to get so much plane in frame so close but the change in focus looks kosher.

I had a ride in one a few years ago. My ears only stopped ringing recently.

Yeah, I know what you mean, I did a scenic flight around Auckland in one. Talk about forty thousand rivets flying in loose formation!

[Ronin]

Legend has it that during the war they needed to use all aircraft on a certain field for evacuation. There was one DC3 which was missing a wing so they bolted on the nearest close fit they had and flew it out.

[Edbear]

Will these planes ever die? They seem to be timeless in their appeal, and it would be a shame if their airframes reached that point where they can't fly them anymore.

Great Barrier Airlines has this issue now with their Tri-Motors, they are finding it ever harder to locate frames. Of course they are flying regularly so not quite the same for the DC3's I guess.

[Maha]

Will these planes ever die? They seem to be timeless in their appeal, and it would be a shame if their airframes reached that point where they can't fly them anymore.

Great Barrier Airlines has this issue now with their Tri-Motors, they are finding it ever harder to locate frames. Of course they are flying regularly so not quite the same for the DC3's I guess.

I think thats what Anne and her parents flew out to NZ on, from Canada in ...1960.
Took a few stops I beleive.

[Edbear]

I think thats what Anne and her parents flew out to NZ on, from Canada in ...1960.
Took a few stops I beleive.

A Tri-Motor? I like them and so does the airline, they reckon they are the most economical plane to use for that purpose and will struggle to find a more modern plane to do the job as well. It is as though they were specifically designed with Great Barrier in mind.

[Kickaha]

Will these planes ever die? They seem to be timeless in their appeal, and it would be a shame if their airframes reached that point where they can't fly them anymore.

Great Barrier Airlines has this issue now with their Tri-Motors, they are finding it ever harder to locate frames. Of course they are flying regularly so not quite the same for the DC3's I guess.

DC3 have a fairly long airframe life a lot of this is apparently due to not be a pressurised aircraft, the guys at Ashburton Aviation museum reckon you can keep one flying pretty much for ever as spares are readily available from the USA and they don't expect that to dry up any time soon

There's also a turboprop conversion for them but I reckon it spoils the looks

[Pussy]

I had a ride in one a few years ago. My ears only stopped ringing recently.

A DC3 is VERY quiet in the cabin area compared to some.
Go for a ride in a 300hp Fletcher and find out what real noise is.

[Zedder]

This one is...well....fuck me!


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Thanks Maha, that clip always puts a smile on my dial.

Talking of old aircraft, I was really impressed with the work the old guys from Bomber Command did on the Lancaster at Motat. Apparently they met up there every week and between them played a major role in doing the old girl up to the state it's in now. It's a pity it'll never fly again though.

[martybabe]

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Nature's version, watch till the end, amazing footage.

[Zedder]

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Nature's version, watch till the end, amazing footage.

Fantastic, poetry in motion.

[Old Steve]

Legend has it that during the war they needed to use all aircraft on a certain field for evacuation. There was one DC3 which was missing a wing so they bolted on the nearest close fit they had and flew it out.

That was an evacuation from the Dutch East Indies (now Indonesia) early in WWII. The DC3 had a damaged wing so they fitted the wing from a DC2 (the DC2 was an earlier and smaller version of the DC3, one flew a commercial route for KLM Airlines and came second in the London to Melbourne air race, behind a racing De Havilland Comet). The plane in Indonesia flew out a load of evacuees in this configuration, and they called it the DC2 1/2.

[Grumph]

In my youth I was tramping in the sounds with a group from Anakiwa, we were working our way up a valley and could hear a plane in the area. As we topped the ridge, so did he....a DC3 still dropping the last of it's load and parting the tussock with it's slipstream...

It was immediate get down as flat as possible and hang on... I'm sure we scared him as much as he scared us 'cause he circled for a look at us....rude gestures on both sides,and yes, he was close enough for us to see his gestures too. Mad prick.

[Kickaha]

In my youth I was tramping in the sounds with a group from Anakiwa, we were working our way up a valley and could hear a plane in the area. As we topped the ridge, so did he....a DC3 still dropping the last of it's load and parting the tussock with it's slipstream...



Bloody hell I didn't realise those planes were that old

[Winston001]

Started with the DC 1 in 1933 built in competition for the Boeing 247, then the DC 2 which was even better, then the DC 3 in 1936. The rest is history.

[nudemetalz]

A DC3 is VERY quiet in the cabin area compared to some.
Go for a ride in a 300hp Fletcher and find out what real noise is.

Flying in the cargo hold of a Herk ain't good for the ears either....

[Tigadee]

If only they flew the DC3s like that during WW II!

[ellipsis]

If only they flew the DC3s like that during WW II!

...????????...

[2wheeled Gasman]

get past the intro.....and its not bad. 10 best flybys, and some are pretty damn low :eek5:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Dr2ZB36p9Y

[Macontour]

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Nature's version, watch till the end, amazing footage.

Wow, look at the focus in those eyes!! Last thing a rabbit or mouse in the field sees.

[Edbear]

Bloody hell I didn't realise those planes were that old

I used to love watching Fred Ladd coming in to Sandspit taking passengers to the Barrier. Went up with him once. Have loved the Grumman Widgeon's ever since.

[Grumph]

Bloody hell I didn't realise those planes were that old

Relax, Ed, it's just Kick getting in a free kick at my expense....it was 1969 and there were still a couple of DC3's being used for topdressing around NZ. That stopped a couple of years later when the first oil price crunch occurred.

And no, I'm nowhere near as old as Fred Ladd, Kick.....

[James Deuce]

Relax, Ed, it's just Kick getting in a free kick at my expense....it was 1969 and there were still a couple of DC3's being used for topdressing around NZ. That stopped a couple of years later when the first oil price crunch occurred.

And no, I'm nowhere near as old as Fred Ladd, Kick.....

There was one still operating near Dargaville in 1984. I know because it erupted over the edge of the road on the way from Dargaville to Opononi and then chandelled and dived back down the cliff face it had just flown up. I thought my car was broken. It got really loud all of a sudden, then *BAM* DC3 fills windshield. Closely followed by a stench normally associated with Mother's Rooms in malls.

[Edbear]

Relax, Ed, it's just Kick getting in a free kick at my expense....it was 1969 and there were still a couple of DC3's being used for topdressing around NZ. That stopped a couple of years later when the first oil price crunch occurred.

And no, I'm nowhere near as old as Fred Ladd, Kick.....

LoL! I was privileged to meet Fred again in Taupo a few years before he died. A real character! He was about 45 years older than me at a guess.

[martybabe]

There was one still operating near Dargaville in 1984. I know because it erupted over the edge of the road on the way from Dargaville to Opononi and then chandelled and dived back down the cliff face it had just flown up. I thought my car was broken. It got really loud all of a sudden, then *BAM* DC3 fills windshield. Closely followed by a stench normally associated with Mother's Rooms in malls.

Man can I relate: I've been involved in lots of scary shit in my life time, terrorist incidents, collapsing buildings, exploding petrol tankers and the like but the scariest of all these was after a particularly exhausting tramp in the North Wales mountains.

Walking/stumbling along the road about half a k from journeys end,wet and knackered , an RAF Harrier (I think) approached silently from behind me doing mega speed at an incredibly low altitude. I knew nothing at all about it's approach until it shot over my head with a roar and a blast something akin to Armageddon in full swing, I should imagine, it couldn't have been more than 50 metres above me. In total shock, believing it to be my last seconds on earth, I dived to the side (remember the road) a screech of brakes and an almighty thwack on my rucksack as the wing mirror of the white van sent me spiralling the the grass verge. Unharmed (apart from my dignity) I distinctly remember looking at the angry driver through the long grass and thinking, life's just too fecking hard sometimes, I wan't my Mom!

[ellipsis]

...very similar thing happened to me up in the Great Glen,RAF doing contour training out of Lossiemouth...laying on a flat rock in the sun with a hangover and one came through the gap in the hills and was gone in a flash...left me wondering if it was my heart that had just dropped through my arse or breakfast...

[Tigadee]

...????????...

:lol:

As in flying nap of earth like that and sneak up on Jerry...

[Pussy]

There was one still operating near Dargaville in 1984. I know because it erupted over the edge of the road on the way from Dargaville to Opononi and then chandelled and dived back down the cliff face it had just flown up. I thought my car was broken. It got really loud all of a sudden, then *BAM* DC3 fills windshield. Closely followed by a stench normally associated with Mother's Rooms in malls.

Super smells like sulphuric acid, Jim!
You are quite correct... the last DC 3 actively topdressing was used up till about 1985. ZK BBJ, operated mostly out of Gisborne, by pilot Bruce Thompson.

[Zedder]

Flying in the cargo hold of a Herk ain't good for the ears either....

That's probably why people keep jumping out of the bloody things with parachutes on then.....

[boman]

We used to get the Hercules fly up a valley next to home near Waiuku. The would fly up the coast, then head inland up this valley.You would be mucking around outside, then with no warning a Herky bird would pop up out of nowhere. Scared the shit outa me more than once....

Mind you, I had a pair of Skyhawks do the same, one Morning. That made me sit down and catch my breath.....

[Pussy]

I was doing a topdressing job east of Tarata in 1995.
Just approaching the top of a ridge, and got confronted with a couple of landing lights.... with an Aermacchi attached to them! Got my undivided attention!!

[quickbuck]

Flying in the cargo hold of a Herk ain't good for the ears either....

What???........

[quickbuck]

I was doing a topdressing job east of Tarata in 1995.
Just approaching the top of a ridge, and got confronted with a couple of landing lights.... with an Aermacchi attached to them! Got my undivided attention!!

You mean an anti bird strike light, and a nose leg light?
I would have worked on that one ;)

[Pussy]

You mean an anti bird strike light, and a nose leg light?
I would have worked on that one ;)

I didn't look that close.
A 400hp Fletcher at 85 knots with still about 800kg of fert onboard isn't that manouevreable! Not sure who got the biggest fright... him or me. The Macchi turned away pretty quick.

[quickbuck]

I didn't look that close.
A 400hp Fletcher at 85 knots with still about 800kg of fert onboard isn't that manouevreable! Not sure who got the biggest fright... him or me. The Macchi turned away pretty quick.

Yeah.... They could think pretty fast those boys.
I'm sure they got into more "stuff" than we ever heard about.... The reporting suystem is a lot more transparent these days.

[FJRider]

Flying in the cargo hold of a Herk ain't good for the ears either....

Try being in one when all the doors are open. (and throwing stuff out) :crazy:

I flew back from Singapore in one. Two days ... each 9 hour days. ;)

It wasn't that bad ... the in flight movies were shit though ... :innocent:

[schrodingers cat]

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Bloody Hell!

[Zedder]

All good! I just love the smell of JetA1 in the morning.

[nudemetalz]

Aviation stories are just as interesting as bike ones, IMO.
I'm sure a lot of people on here agree with that :)

[Pussy]

Aviation stories are just as interesting as bike ones, IMO.
I'm sure a lot of people on here agree with that :)

"There I was, 10,000 feet... inverted... nothing on the clock but "Smiths"...... "

[quickbuck]

"There I was, 10,000 feet... inverted... nothing on the clock but "Smiths"...... "

Shooting your watch with your hand again???

[Zedder]

Aviation stories are just as interesting as bike ones, IMO.
I'm sure a lot of people on here agree with that :)

Yep, more of them would be appreciated. Come on Pussy, any other topdressing ones?

[Pussy]

Yep, more of them would be appreciated. Come on Pussy, any other topdressing ones?

Mate... I could fill pages with it. Funnily enough, when you're actually doing the job, you don't think "pilot shit".
Sometimes you can have $2,000.00 worth of product sitting behind you, that has to be spread accurately. And that's what you focus on.
If you make a fuck-up spreading say DAP, you can leave results that even Stevie Wonder would be able to see.
You've got to remind yourself all the time that it is quite a dangerous occupation, and treat it with respect.
I have been known to have a bit of fun doing the job, however.... :whistle:

[FJRider]

Yep, more of them would be appreciated. Come on Pussy, any other topdressing ones?

I know of one group of bikers (gang actually) who chose to hassle a top-dressing pilot at a pub. (he was having lunch at his local) End result ... pilot dumped a load of fert on the moving gang as they moved on to the next pub. Police "couldn't identify" the pilot responsible ... (THEY made a complaint)

[Pussy]

I have been known to "accidentally" open the hopper doors whilst flying above some people....

[Berries]

Aviation stories are just as interesting as bike ones, IMO.
I'm sure a lot of people on here agree with that :)
I'd say far more interesting, possibly because there won't be a rozzer hiding behind the next cloud.

[Pussy]

I'd say far more interesting, possibly because there won't be a rozzer hiding behind the next cloud.

All well and good.... EXCEPT.... your first little fuck up can very well be your last.

[Winston001]

the scariest of all these was after a particularly exhausting tramp in the North Wales mountains.

Walking/stumbling along the road about half a k from journeys end,wet and knackered , an RAF Harrier (I think) approached silently from behind me doing mega speed at an incredibly low altitude....

Lovely story Marty. Many years ago I was crawling out of a tent in Pitlochry, Scotland when two Jaguars passed over at about 50 feet. It was early morning gloomy overcast and these monsterous jet aircraft simply appeared between the mountains at floor level, across the castle, up the loch and gone. In the blink of an eye.

Still sends shivers down my spine.

[nudemetalz]

Lovely story Marty. Many years ago I was crawling out of a tent in Pitlochry, Scotland when two Jaguars passed over at about 50 feet. It was early morning gloomy overcast and these monsterous jet aircraft simply appeared between the mountains at floor level, across the castle, up the loch and gone. In the blink of an eye.

Still sends shivers down my spine.

you mean like this:-
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hewtAXhWn58

and Harriers:-
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WRfDsSnLtE4

and this:-
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6bU5PTcNzc4


Doncha just love Harriers !!

[Berries]

All well and good.... EXCEPT.... your first little fuck up can very well be your last.
Just like bikes then, but much more impressive.

I remember one flight from Dunedin to Wanaka where the cloud came in and we had to follow the Clutha River at, ahem, quite a low level. Could have touched a couple of those ridges up by Clyde, in fact I think the wheels did at some point.

[FJRider]

Just like bikes then, but much more impressive.

I remember one flight from Dunedin to Wanaka where the cloud came in and we had to follow the Clutha River at, ahem, quite a low level. Could have touched a couple of those ridges up by Clyde, in fact I think the wheels did at some point.

There's an RNZAF exercise at the Alexandra airport at the moment. A Herc' is floating about at low levels ... it comes through the gorge quite low.

[Macontour]

I love aircraft low flying. The sound of the old WW2 aircraft sends a shiver up the spine as does the skills and cojones and speed of modern jets and pilots.

Years ago I managed to get to the Reno Air Races, dozens of highly worked over Mustangs, Corsairs and so on all getting thrashed around pylons out in the desert. A special visitor was an SR71 Blackbird that was returning from "a secret mission with a round trip of about 6000 miles" or something similar. It was late 80s when I was there so the guess was that was the old Russia the aircraft had been visiting.

[Swoop]

What???........
HE WAS SAYING HOW LOVELY THE 3-COURSE IN-FLIGHT MEALS ARE, WHEN RIDING IN THE BACK!!!
:(


you mean like this:-Doncha just love Harriers !!
*chuckle*
When in the UK in the late 80's I was on a certain RAF base, where there had been a declaration of "non investigation" of a certain type of incident...
If a resident complained of having their TV aerial knocked off of their roof, a payment was immediately made.

Something to do with Tornado LL exercises!

[nudemetalz]

HE WAS SAYING HOW LOVELY THE 3-COURSE IN-FLIGHT MEALS ARE, WHEN RIDING IN THE BACK!!!
:(



hahaha...all I was issued was a couple of earplugs and cargo to rest my feet on while sitting next to a window seat.
Then amazed at how short the Waiouru airstrip is and how the Herk used all of that on landing.

[paturoa]

Years ago I managed to get to the Reno Air Races..... It was late 80s when I was there

Me too, went in 87. The open class pylon racing was mostly mustangs, a few yaks, a couple of F4Us and from what I remember a seafang (or similar)

There were flybys by B52, B1B, SR71, U2 and various dispalys by marine, air farce and navy dispaly teams. Managed to take in a couple of air bases like pensacola which was fun and saw a shuttle launch too. Lots of fossile fuels burnt on that trip!

[Zedder]

I love aircraft low flying. The sound of the old WW2 aircraft sends a shiver up the spine as does the skills and cojones and speed of modern jets and pilots.

Years ago I managed to get to the Reno Air Races, dozens of highly worked over Mustangs, Corsairs and so on all getting thrashed around pylons out in the desert. A special visitor was an SR71 Blackbird that was returning from "a secret mission with a round trip of about 6000 miles" or something similar. It was late 80s when I was there so the guess was that was the old Russia the aircraft haad been visiting.

The USA is "aircraft city". I'd never seen so many planes in number and type in my life before I went there. There were Warbirds, military and civilian aircraft literally coming out of the woodwork.

[ducatilover]

Cool stories!

I love planes, but have only ever been in one, a Cessna 172S from Feilding to Taupo and back. Not the fastest winged vehicle... nor the most agile... but I was in love.
Was like a bike on a different level.

[ellipsis]

...I visited a decommissioned USAF base in the Mojave, to see the Voyager which had just flown around the planet on a single tank of gas...I was blown away by the huge amount of aeronautical stuff going on there....so many people doing so many different aeronautical types of pastimes ...and very little of the PC/safety stuff that would probably make it impossible anywhere else...only in America...

[bungbung]

DC3 have a fairly long airframe life a lot of this is apparently due to not be a pressurised aircraft, the guys at Ashburton Aviation museum reckon you can keep one flying pretty much for ever as spares are readily available from the USA and they don't expect that to dry up any time soon

There's also a turboprop conversion for them but I reckon it spoils the looks

Here's one at Pegasus ice field with a twin otter259293:

[bungbung]

Lands on the snow using skis, which are retracted for take off on wheels.
Not much of a view from inside the back though :(

http://youtu.be/Xabr8n3bOQc

[quickbuck]

hahaha...all I was issued was a couple of earplugs and cargo to rest my feet on while sitting next to a window seat.
.
Eh??? The loadie just gave me a plastic bag with 2 marshmellows in it, and said. "Take these for the noise"....
Not really an inflight meal, but had me chewing for ages....

Were they to stop your ears popping?

[FJRider]

Eh??? The loadie just gave me a plastic bag with 2 marshmellows in it, and said. "Take these for the noise"....
Not really an inflight meal, but had me chewing for ages....



You guys get it easy ... On one of my longer flights on a Herc ... we had an outside tiolet .. :pinch:

[FJRider]

I was involved with a supply drop to Raul island ... In a Bristol Freighter (40,000 rivets in loose formation)

The rear door couldn't be opened in flight. So it was removed ... and my seat was next to the door.

Not the most fun flight I've had.

[Zedder]

You guys get it easy ... On one of my longer flights on a Herc ... we had an outside tiolet .. :pinch:

You were lucky. We lived for three months in a paper bag in a septic tank......

[pete376403]

DC3 have a fairly long airframe life a lot of this is apparently due to not be a pressurised aircraft, the guys at Ashburton Aviation museum reckon you can keep one flying pretty much for ever as spares are readily available from the USA and they don't expect that to dry up any time soon

There's also a turboprop conversion for them but I reckon it spoils the looks
I read somewhere that there is a piece in the fuselage that the wings bolt to that takes most of the stresses and which can be readily replaced. Once this is done the frame can be certified for xx more hours. Or something.

Is the CookieTime DC3 still at Mangaweka?

[Macontour]

Yep still there but if I remember correctly, it has had a repaint.

[Macontour]

I've done a Herc a few times. Auckland to the RAAF Base near Melbourne was a long one. As we came in to land all the ice that had formed in the top of the aircraft melted and rained on us. Did a Herc from Darwin to Suai in East Timor for NZBATT6 after the jet flight(can't remember if it was 727 or 757 now) from Whenuapai to Darwin.

In 1991 I went Auckland to Crete in an RNZAF 727 with overnights in Darwin, Singapore and Dubai. 3 days to get to Greece and the same on the way back. Trip of a lifetime though.

Have also done a few Iroquois flights, usually sitting in the side seats if I can wangle it but the last one I was sitting on the floor with no-one at my back. Made the sharp banked turns pretty interesting!!!

I guess soon they will be gone too and people won't get that buzz. Shame.

[quickbuck]

I've done a Herc a few times. Auckland to the RAAF Base near Melbourne was a long one. As we came in to land all the ice that had formed in the top of the aircraft melted and rained on us. Did a Herc from Darwin to Suai in East Timor for NZBATT6 after the jet flight(can't remember if it was 727 or 757 now) from Whenuapai to Darwin.

In 1991 I went Auckland to Crete in an RNZAF 727 with overnights in Darwin, Singapore and Dubai. 3 days to get to Greece and the same on the way back. Trip of a lifetime though.

Have also done a few Iroquois flights, usually sitting in the side seats if I can wangle it but the last one I was sitting on the floor with no-one at my back. Made the sharp banked turns pretty interesting!!!

I guess soon they will be gone too and people won't get that buzz. Shame.

Funny how the memory is.... As you were Batt 6 I think it was the 727 you went to Darwin on.... 757 came in to service in 2003.
Crete in the 727 would most definatly been an awesome trip. Many fuel stops on the way.

Been on a few Huey flights myself, but I always get a comfortable seat ;) Still, down the back on most occasions though.
Also been in the Sioux. I even used to engine run it.
Very soon, not too many more people can say they have done that!

S[eaking of thngs that can't be done anymore, I have had a few rides in a Macchi... Used to engine run those too.

Oh, the 757 is one very awesome aircraft to fly in too.....

[bungbung]

http://www.airforce.mil.nz/operations/whats-on/airshows-opendays/default.htm

[nudemetalz]

Funny how the memory is.... As you were Batt 6 I think it was the 727 you went to Darwin on.... 757 came in to service in 2003.
Crete in the 727 would most definatly been an awesome trip. Many fuel stops on the way.

Been on a few Huey flights myself, but I always get a comfortable seat ;) Still, down the back on most occasions though.
Also been in the Sioux. I even used to engine run it.
Very soon, not too many more people can say they have done that!

S[eaking of thngs that can't be done anymore, I have had a few rides in a Macchi... Used to engine run those too.

Oh, the 757 is one very awesome aircraft to fly in too.....

Oh yes, sat on the floor of a Huey while on exercise in the TF. Those pilots are amazing (and nuts). Low rotor RPM warning light flashing is interesting as they do the sharp banks...

And Quickbuck, they gave them to us for the noise. Didn't do much though.

[Zedder]

The Microsoft Flight Simulator X is a bit of cheap fun though.

[Swoop]

Nine hours (yes, nine!) from Whenuapai to RAAF Richmond for deployment.
Aircraft...? The lovely Andover.

[quickbuck]

Nine hours (yes, nine!) from Whenuapai to RAAF Richmond for deployment.
Aircraft...? The lovely Andover.
Got to love the Andover.... The squeel of the Rolls Royce Darts....

[quickbuck]

http://www.airforce.mil.nz/operations/whats-on/airshows-opendays/default.htm

Yup, come and say Hi.
Bring your bike, and i might even get a special park (that is nice and close) organised for you.

[nudemetalz]

Yup, come and say Hi.
Bring your bike, and i might even get a special park (that is nice and close) organised for you.

I shall be there with the Guzzi !!

[ducatilover]

The Microsoft Flight Simulator X is a bit of cheap fun though.
I have MS Combat Flight sim or something.
Spent 40min trying to fly a Spitty over the English channel and then nose dived by accident near my target :rolleyes:
I should hook the joy stick up

[awa355]

The sad thing about the DC3, is that if designed today, it would never get off the ground.

Even with almost 80 years of proving itself, doing the hard yards, the aviation experts would say it's not safe etc.

[nudemetalz]

Then neither would the Herk and the B-52, both 1950's designs, both likely to be going for many years to come.

[Zedder]

I have MS Combat Flight sim or something.
Spent 40min trying to fly a Spitty over the English channel and then nose dived by accident near my target :rolleyes:
I should hook the joy stick up

Lol, yep stuff the controlling with the keyboard option it's a pain in the butt.

[lakedaemonian]

Oh yes, sat on the floor of a Huey while on exercise in the TF. Those pilots are amazing (and nuts). Low rotor RPM warning light flashing is interesting as they do the sharp banks...

And Quickbuck, they gave them to us for the noise. Didn't do much though.

One of my favorite photos(from an old school cardboard disposable camera) is riding in the back of an RNZAF Huey on the West Coast flying NOE........the disc was catching the odd branch turning through some deep and steep valleys and reentrants. It was worth slogging thru the West Coast bush just for the helo lift out.

757 flights have been great...and the RNZAF crews have been excellent in my experiences.

Herc flights were a bit more pedestrian......nothing like sitting in the back of a Herc baking on the tarmac in 40 degree heat...once we finally lifted off it was a battle to climb into the nook in the tail to cool off....great aircraft though.....a bit like a turbine powered HiLux with wings.

Interested in seeing one of the new NH90s in the flesh...I heard a rumor the rear ramp might be hard pressed to handle the jandle of our bigger brown bros and XL sized farm boys all tooled up.

[nudemetalz]

One of my favorite photos(from an old school cardboard disposable camera) is riding in the back of an RNZAF Huey on the West Coast flying NOE........the disc was catching the odd branch turning through some deep and steep valleys and reentrants. It was worth slogging thru the West Coast bush just for the helo lift out.

757 flights have been great...and the RNZAF crews have been excellent in my experiences.

Herc flights were a bit more pedestrian......nothing like sitting in the back of a Herc baking on the tarmac in 40 degree heat...once we finally lifted off it was a battle to climb into the nook in the tail to cool off....great aircraft though.....a bit like a turbine powered HiLux with wings.

Interested in seeing one of the new NH90s in the flesh...I heard a rumor the rear ramp might be hard pressed to handle the jandle of our bigger brown bros and XL sized farm boys all tooled up.


Wonder if an NH90 will be present at the Ohakea Airshow?

[Swoop]

...new NH90s in the flesh...I heard a rumor the rear ramp might be hard pressed to handle the jandle of our bigger brown bros and XL sized farm boys all tooled up.
I believe they were declared unsafe to use in combat at one stage.
Google "NH90 problems" and enjoy the reading...

[nadroj]

Wonder if an NH90 will be present at the Ohakea Airshow?

RNZAF Aircraft

Flying Displays:

Red Checkers
Boeing 757
Kiwi Blue Parachute Team
C-130 Hercules
P-3K Orion
UH-1H Iroquois
SH-2G Seasprite
A109 LUH
B200 King Air
Historic Flight Tiger Moth, Harvard and Sioux

Static Displays:

NH90
Upgraded C-130 Hercules (LEP)

International Aircraft

Flying and Static Displays:

Royal Australian Air Force F-18A Hornet
United States Air Force C-17

Static Displays:

Royal Australian Air Force B737 Wedgetail
Royal Australian Air Force C-17
Royal Australian Air Force C-130J
Singapore Air Force C-130
French Armed Forces of New Caledonia CASA 235
US Marine Corps KC-130
RAF A330 MRTT

Warbirds and Civilian Aircraft

Bristol Fighter
Fokker DVII

WWII types:

Spitfire IX
Spitfire Tr IX
TBM Avenger
Dakota
Auster
Anson
Beaver
2 x P-40 Kittyhawk
FG-1D Corsair
P-51 Mustang

Teams:

Yak aerobatic team
Harvard aerobatic team

Jets:

Vampire
Strikemaster
Hunter

Civilian:

MX2
Thunder Mustang
PAC750XL
Beech Texan
Gryocopters

[quickbuck]

The sad thing about the DC3, is that if designed today, it would never get off the ground.

Even with almost 80 years of proving itself, doing the hard yards, the aviation experts would say it's not safe etc.


Then neither would the Herk and the B-52, both 1950's designs, both likely to be going for many years to come.

You are both right.
From a modern design philosophy point of view there aren't many aircraft designed in the 50's and 60's that would be built that way today.

The reliability engineers and designers have discovered that an aircraft is much more reliable if you don't keep trying to fix it!
Less maintenance is more... Also means the aircraft is more productive too... Less down time, and more revenue.
As for military aircraft though, that don't have to turn a seat into a $, well it is still the same.... So according to the brochure you need less men to fix them.
Not always the case, as military aircraft don't really do "Line Haul" and have many more random failures due to the environment they operate in.

[pzkpfw]

I believe they were declared unsafe to use in combat at one stage.
Google "NH90 problems" and enjoy the reading...

"NH90" meant something like "Nato Helicopter for the 90's".

The 90's were over long before it was ready.

[Macontour]

[QUOTE=quickbuck;1130275939]Funny how the memory is.... As you were Batt 6 I think it was the 727 you went to Darwin on.... 757 came in to service in 2003.

Of course it was a 727!! I remember walking up those rear stairs under the tail.

Came back in some chartered thing though.

[nudemetalz]

Thanks Nadroj !!

Going to be an awesome airshow !!

[quickbuck]

Came back in some chartered thing though.

That would have been one of these
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ilyushin_Il-76

Well, that is what I came back on in May 2002.
Stopped in Noumea at midnight for fuel, and stocked up on mini bottles from the duty free store.
Got my passport stamped for kicks, just to tell the other half I had been there.. even though it was for an hour!

Made B-52's out of the mini bottles I got, and after 3 months of a dry camp... they went down well at 20000ft.
Landed in Ohakea at 3 am.

Was so glad to be home, and have great memories of my time there.

[Macontour]

We landed ChCh at about midnight then buses to Burnham. No meals, accom or anything organised so ended sleeping on the crusty beersoaked carpet in the rugby club/sportsmans bar. It wasn't until after breakfast that they actually told us how we were to get home to Auckland. RNZAF again to Whenuapai. And the shuttle that the system was supposed to arrange for me to get home and had been confirmed to me days prior.............probably still sitting at Auckland Airport waiting for me. Luckily one of the Air Force shuttle drivers was going to the Airport to pick up someone else so he dropped me off on the way.

Thanks for your 7 months overseas, welcome home!!!

I loved it there though. Would have happily had a week or two leave and gone back except Batt6 was the end of it. I was part of the cleanup crew for the last few weeks.

[SPman]

I have MS Combat Flight sim or something.
I've got CFS2 - with 50G of upgrades and stuff, FS2004 and FSX with the NZ high res add-on - all good fun if I ever get a chance to use them

[Macontour]

Well, that is what I came back on in May 2002.

I got there start of May. I am guessing that you were at the APOD probably supporting 3 Sqn and the Aussies. I was a truckie based in the "white tiles" at Suai. Regularly delivered water to your tanks there and often enjoyed the hospitality of your chefs. One of our guys was cooking there for a while too.

[nudemetalz]

Just got my ticket online for the RNZAF Airshow at Ohakea, From what I've read, they are limiting the crowd to 50,000 and the carparks to 15,000 to avoid huge congestion after the show. While there will be gate-sales,...I THOROUGHLY RECOMMEND getting your ticket(s) online (www.eventfinder.co.nz (http://www.eventfinder.co.nz)) so you don't miss out.
Cheap at $10 admission :)

[Usarka]

RNZAF(?) Skyhawk low fly

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kByY0KnM9xk&feature=related

[Swoop]

Time to buzz the tower!

Jets Sonic Boom The Windows Out of Brazil's Supreme Federal Court Building.

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[nudemetalz]

The pilot peeved at getting a parking ticket ??

Looked like Mirages.

[Swoop]

Some epic LL stuff here!
http://www.vintagewings.ca/VintageNews/Stories/tabid/116/articleType/ArticleView/articleId/325/language/en-CA/Lower-than-a-Snakes-Belly-in-a-Wagon-Rut.aspx

[Berries]

Not a flyby, but nice landings - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-20734048

[unstuck]

Fuck, that is crazy.:niceone:

[fuknK1W1]

I nearly ducked under the desk !!!! :shit::shit::shit::shit:

This is either clever flying or stupid risk of a fine aircraft..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=15DcHmuuhig

The link is now dead:facepalm:

[Graelin]

Warbirds over Wanaka 2012 three great days for my Brother and myself topped off by a Ride in the DC3 over the lakes and then Aerobatics over The lake at 6pm in a Tiger Moth.
Will not be our last WAW, best time we had had for years. Are there any air shows April 2013?

[dangerous]

I nearly ducked under the desk !!!! :shit::shit::shit::shit:

This is either clever flying or stupid risk of a fine aircraft..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=15DcHmuuhig


"This video has been removed by the user" got another link to it for us?

[unstuck]

Not this one is it?

<iframe width="420" height="315" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/XqK1FcM2Bus" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>:Punk:

[nudemetalz]

From memory, yes was that one.

[far queue]

... Are there any air shows April 2013? Yep, well near enough, Classic Fighters (http://www.classicfighters.co.nz/) Easter weekend, near Blenheim.

[Zedder]

From memory, yes was that one.

I think it could be this one:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F8kt2vDm3Mw

[dangerous]

Yep, well near enough, Classic Fighters (http://www.classicfighters.co.nz/) Easter weekend, near Blenheim.did every one till a couple a years back, when as usual it went all comercial in all and too many knew bout it... best year by a long shot was when the Brewster Buffalo came over, FUCK ME (no not a offer FQ) that thing sounded freaky



Not this one is it?:Punk: WTF is that? aint no radial piston power man



I think it could be this one:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F8kt2vDm3Mwthats more like it... nine guzzi engines :msn-wink:

[Zedder]

did every one till a couple a years back, when as usual it went all comercial in all and too many knew bout it... best year by a long shot was when the Brewster Buffalo came over, FUCK ME (no not a offer FQ) that thing sounded freaky


WTF is that? aint no radial piston power man


thats more like it... nine guzzi engines :msn-wink:

If you like that, have you checked out the Buffalo Airways videos on Youtube? They operate out of NorthWest Canada flying DC3, 4, and 6aircraft etc.

[paturoa]

Are there any air shows April 2013?

Bit of a trip from perth!

There is an auckland show in late jan with the nutter with the jet suit. http://www.nzairshow.com/

Can't see any warbirds in the schedule.

[dangerous]

it is quite a dangerous occupation, and treat it with respect.
I have been known to have a bit of fun doing the job, however.... :whistle:yeah aye, just like my mate guy, (moto guzzi lover) loved his job so much he left big paying post air moneys (bored him silly) to go back to dusting, till some dumb arse prick wronly fitted a part to the tail plane weakening that section so as it tore off under full load jambing the fletcher in a downwards direction... knowing Guy he would have ridden that thing right to the end, well till the engine split him in half on impact... didnt kill him tho, but the fire did, left two under 5's behind.




I used to love watching Fred Ladd coming in to Sandspit taking passengers to the Barrier. Went up with him once. Have loved the Grumman Widgeon's ever since.Didnt see bee marine use Grumman Goose's out of Dorkland harbour, why is this ringing bells?

[FJRider]

Bit of a trip from perth!

There is an auckland show in late jan with the nutter with the jet suit. http://www.nzairshow.com/

Can't see any warbirds in the schedule.

There's always this show ...

http://www.wings.org.nz/

[BMWST?]

There's always this show ...

http://www.wings.org.nz/


was just gonna post that

[Graelin]

Thanks for air shows info, I am looking at another NZ trip in April.

[Edbear]

yeah aye, just like my mate guy, (moto guzzi lover) loved his job so much he left big paying post air moneys (bored him silly) to go back to dusting, till some dumb arse prick wronly fitted a part to the tail plane weakening that section so as it tore off under full load jambing the fletcher in a downwards direction... knowing Guy he would have ridden that thing right to the end, well till the engine split him in half on impact... didnt kill him tho, but the fire did, left two under 5's behind.



Didnt see bee marine use Grumman Goose's out of Dorkland harbour, why is this ringing bells?

I was a young lad at the time. Fred went on to fly under the Harbour Bridge sometime in the 70's. I last saw him in Taupo at an Uncle's place a few years before he passed away. He was still a larriken then!

[Swoop]

There is an auckland show in late jan with the nutter with the jet suit. http://www.nzairshow.com/

Can't see any warbirds in the schedule.

That is terrible. Bugger all going on.
I thought it was going to happen at Ardmore (which would make sense after the amazing Mossie Day!) but I guess some aircraft will just stage out of Ardmore and transit to NS for their flying routine? I was at the '88 show when the Fury was the star attraction. No room for the mustang to land...

[nudemetalz]

Didnt see bee marine use Grumman Goose's out of Dorkland harbour, why is this ringing bells?

Sorry, a little off topic but here's a great ewetube of them.
Love the radials !!!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pJunmmcNBL0

[Motu]

The SeaBee Air Grumman Goose were the airlink to Waiheke Island when I lived there ('85 to '96), so they were just part of life. Those airframes took some pounding - they normally landed at Surfdale as in the video, but if it was too rough there they went over to Oneroa on the north side. I was on a flight taking off from Oneroa once - we went way out from the bay, out into the Pacific bloody Ocean, the swells were so big we were losing sight of land in the troughs. Then we took off, charging into the bay....we only just cleared the shops. They had to hand crank the wheels up and down - taxi down to the water and then crank them up for ages, same with landing, they had to crank them down to come out. We lived for a couple of years on one of the landing paths to Surfdale - I'd be in the back yard, look up and a Goose would be just a few feet above my head, feathered and silent. Magic.

Re the DC3 - one of their last commercial uses was top dressing - I remember stopping and watching one as it dressed some paddocks out Kawakawa Bay way....almost motionless close to the ground turning on a wing.

[dangerous]

Sorry, a little off topic but here's a great ewetube of them.
Love the radials !!!dont be, thats farking cool man... wonder where they ended up? tell ya what heres a dream for ya's I'd love one in the back yard (padock) turn it into a bar you know man cave, plant a couple of rusty old bikes from the era around it ohhh yeah, hohohooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

[FJRider]

Re the DC3 - one of their last commercial uses was top dressing - I remember stopping and watching one as it dressed some paddocks out Kawakawa Bay way....almost motionless close to the ground turning on a wing.

I remember watching one work out of Woodbourne in Blenheim in 1975. Taking off with a full load ... it barely cleared the fence at the end of the runway.

[Berries]

Not a DC-3 but I just watched Top Gun again init.

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[nudemetalz]

..and people get paid to fly these Tornados like this....?? :yes:

[dangerous]

If ya wana head a tad off topic well DC listen to this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v7QC55K2DrY and you thought the DC sounded cool "radial sleeve valve" dont ask me how they work kinda like a two stroke I think.

[unstuck]

Kinda sounds like an old btd6, without the muffler. Real cool.:2thumbsup

[Zedder]

I certainly don't care if it's off topic, keep 'em coming!

[unstuck]

I certainly don't care if it's off topic, keep 'em coming!

What he said.:2thumbsup

[dangerous]

I "radial sleeve valve" dont ask me how they work kinda like a two stroke I think.found this vid, buggered if I know how the barrel sleaves rotate...

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[unstuck]

Looks like a window wiper action type action making the sleeves rotate? Who the hell thinks up all this stuff. Fuck I just think up boring shit.:wacko:

[nudemetalz]

The Hawker Sea Fury had a Bristol Centaurus radial which was sleeve valve. At a flyby pass, they sound quite different to a high speed Yank poppet-valve radial.

Sea Fury

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5CFEO0cRmVk

Corsair

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=glHRIJTGwAU


I prefer the Sea Fury,...err no wait, the Corsair,..err no wait...damn they're both awesome !!! :yes:

[Zedder]

[QUOTE=dangerous;1130455208]found this vid, buggered if I know how the barrel sleaves rotate...

Very interesting, lots of interlinked parts there.

Another one is the early rotary where the crankshaft is fixed to the airframe, and the crankcase and cylinders rotate around it.

[dangerous]

The Hawker Sea Fury had a Bristol Centaurus radial which was sleeve valve.ok didnt relise they were 18cyl sleave valve... mind you they did have verious power plants in them including Rolls-Royce Griffon and Napier Sabre VII, which was capable of developing 3,400-4,000 hp watch this vid right through, my fav is the fury that super charger sound OH OH OHhhhhhh...



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[dangerous]

and this just dosnt seem right aye...

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[unstuck]

Didnt think it was gonna start. Can see why they were called ugly angels, turning up in something like that.

[Macontour]

found this vid, buggered if I know how the barrel sleaves rotate...

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I watched that animation and couldn't get my head around it. There must be good reasons for that design because it looks pretty complicated to me.

[nudemetalz]

I watched that animation and couldn't get my head around it. There must be good reasons for that design because it looks pretty complicated to me.

Check this link out
http://www.agelessengines.com/Why-Sleeve.htm

[dangerous]

Check this link out
http://www.agelessengines.com/Why-Sleeve.htmawesome, theres some telented people about... the sites great Im still bumping from link to link, Bristol Brabazon ran the same engines as the sea fury
comparable to a Boeing 767 or a DC-10, it was designed to carry only 100 passengers, albeit in roomy conditions not generally found in modern aircraft. In the end, only a single prototype was flown; it was broken up in 1953 for scrap,
funny how the pom's bust up there un used aircraft yet the yank's park em up in a bloody big feild.

[unstuck]

awesome, theres some telented people about... the sites great Im still bumping from link to link, Bristol Brabazon ran the same engines as the sea fury
comparable to a Boeing 767 or a DC-10, it was designed to carry only 100 passengers, albeit in roomy conditions not generally found in modern aircraft. In the end, only a single prototype was flown; it was broken up in 1953 for scrap,
funny how the pom's bust up there un used aircraft yet the yank's park em up in a bloody big feild.

The fuckin pikeys would be off with them if they parked them in a big field.:lol:

[Swoop]

funny how the pom's bust up there un used aircraft yet the yank's park em up in a bloody big feild.
The "big field" is really only a holding pen for the scrapyards that operate there.
Google MASDC or AMARC.

Google images brings plenty of results as well.

[dangerous]

The "big field" is really only a holding pen for the scrapyards that operate there.
Google MASDC or AMARC.giant shit on the xmas tree... fark me dead, bloody yanks...275448 275449 275450 275451

[unstuck]

Farkinell.:eek:

[Madness]

Farkinell.:eek:

Type: davis-monthan air force base into Google Maps.

[unstuck]

Type: davis-monthan air force base into Google Maps.

Double farkinell.:eek: No wonder the states are broke.:weird:

[Usarka]

I might go pick up a warthog, phantom and a b1 for good measure. Crikey!

[dangerous]

Type: davis-monthan air force base into Google Maps.ahhh... they have heaps a spear room for more...

[nadroj]

ahhh... they have heaps a spear room for more...

It's our cuzzie bro's that have the spear room!

[pzkpfw]

giant shit on the xmas tree... fark me dead, bloody yanks...

Old B52's were being broken up, out in the open, largely so Soviet spy sats could watch them.

It was part of the verification process for some of the arms limitation treaties.



There's pictures like that, but for ships. Rows and rows of 'em, with boxes built over the guns and stuff. Never say never. The Yanks gave the Brits 50 old WWI Destroyers, in WWII, to help with the U-Boats. (In exchange for Caribbean bases).

[scumdog]

ahhh... they have heaps a spear room for more...

Leave the asagais out of it D...

Anyhoo, the USA is a whole lot bigger than a lot of us Kiwis can comprehend, I rode past a few similar sort of elephants grave-yards over there...unbelievable...:eek:

[unstuck]

I suppose it costs a shitload of $$$$ to guard the things too.

[Zedder]

Some info on the Rukuhia (Hamilton) boneyard after WW2:http://rnzaf.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=Airshows&action=print&thread=6838

[Kickaha]

The Yanks gave the Brits 50 old WWI Destroyers, in WWII, to help with the U-Boats. (In exchange for Caribbean bases).
Probably part of the shit they were still paying for up until 2006

[dangerous]

Some info on the Rukuhia (Hamilton) boneyard after WW2:http://rnzaf.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=Airshows&action=print&thread=6838It is interesting what is/was about in NZ.
I remember a doco on the Auckland heads where the very 1st ever Boeing ww1 fighters were hiden, aparently still there somewere in tunnles and caves. In the doco a woman was interviewd that remembers being taken down there for a screw and decribed what she saw.

Another such cave big enough to house aircraft is on the cashmere hill over looking Wigram air base. Now used by the university for verious things I havent ever seen them but have a mate that has.

[Swoop]

I suppose it costs a shitload of $$$$ to guard the things too.
Well, sort of.
It is an operational Air Force base so normal guarding will be in place.
Oddly, an A-10 squadron is based there.

[Zedder]

It is interesting what is/was about in NZ.
I remember a doco on the Auckland heads where the very 1st ever Boeing ww1 fighters were hiden, aparently still there somewere in tunnles and caves. In the doco a woman was interviewd that remembers being taken down there for a screw and decribed what she saw.

Another such cave big enough to house aircraft is on the cashmere hill over looking Wigram air base. Now used by the university for verious things I havent ever seen them but have a mate that has.

The North Head and Boeing story is quite interesting: http://www.thehijackofboeingone.com/index_files/Page342.htm

[Kickaha]

Another such cave big enough to house aircraft is on the cashmere hill over looking Wigram air base. Now used by the university for verious things I havent ever seen them but have a mate that has.
Cracroft cavern (http://www.ringlaser.org.nz/content/cashmere_cavern_laboratory.php), It isn't big enough for that, they used to do tours through it but when we last inquired they had pulled the pin on it

[Madness]

Slightly off topic. I see Wellington was in good form yesterday, highlight at 6:09.

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[dangerous]

The Bristol sleave again, listen to the thing and wait till the end when he opens it up... like the mega lumpy lumpy cam thing

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and for some thing different check out the workings on this, now thats mechanics http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zBMsdXGOm5A speaking of which who knows what the flat 24cyl engine is at the Wigram musume is? I thought it was Grumman but I cant find on you tube.

[unstuck]

Fark me thats cool. I want one in my driveway to wake the neighbours up with early on sunday mornings.:2thumbsup

[Pussy]

speaking of which who knows what the flat 24cyl engine is at the Wigram musume is? I thought it was Grumman but I cant find on you tube.

It's a Napier Sabre engine from a Hawker Typhoon. They are basically two flat twelves driving a common output shaft.

[Pussy]

The Napier Sabre engine was also sleeve valve. Although it is easy to think that this arrangement is over-complicated, the sleeve valve is more efficient than poppet type valves. No hot spots, and nothing in the way to inhibit gas flow.

[scumdog]

The Bristol sleave again, listen to the thing and wait till the end when he opens it up... like the mega lumpy lumpy cam thing

.

Naked arse D. it sounds just like me F100 at 'idle' - and a fair bit like it under load.

Farkme, maybe I've got a rare-as sleeve-valve Ford V8??:lol:

[dangerous]

It's a Napier Sabre engine from a Hawker Typhoon. They are basically two flat twelves driving a common output shaft.Thats the one... been you tubing and there seems to be no footage of any existing runners :weep: There is a few Napier engines that look like V8's but not the Sabre




Cracroft cavern (http://www.ringlaser.org.nz/content/cashmere_cavern_laboratory.php), It isn't big enough for that, they used to do tours through it but when we last inquired they had pulled the pin on itI was told and this is asuming I wasnt miss lead that there is room enough for small fighter aircraft in the Cracroft/Cashmear hill... a mates father was (now retired) high up in the uni, and did those tours and a lot of work in the tunnels, he said people were never showen into the bigger caves as they had a lot of equipment in there something to do with star gazing or something.



The Napier Sabre engine was also sleeve valve. Although it is easy to think that this arrangement is over-complicated, the sleeve valve is more efficient than poppet type valves. No hot spots, and nothing in the way to inhibit gas flow.yet you would think the friction of the turning sleaves would create great heat, but yes duel ports no obstructions of flow in or out.. so why was it never devloped a car engine of this design, like why did the Nips never build a 2 cycle diesel for cars instead of the slow old diesels we have.



Naked arse D. it sounds just like me F100 at 'idle' - and a fair bit like it under load.

Farkme, maybe I've got a rare-as sleeve-valve Ford V8??:lol:Bit like this one T



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or maybe this is more you

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[Pussy]

yet you would think the friction of the turning sleaves would create great heat, but yes duel ports no obstructions of flow in or out.. so why was it never devloped a car engine of this design, like why did the Nips never build a 2 cycle diesel for cars instead of the slow old diesels we have.




Very good cooling from fins as in the case of the Bristol engines, or the coolant of the Napier engines. And because the gases flowed without the obstruction of poppet valves, no localised heating as such. Good resistance to detonation with this valve arrangement.

[far queue]

I was told and this is asuming I wasnt miss lead that there is room enough for small fighter aircraft in the Cracroft/Cashmear hill... a mates father was (now retired) high up in the uni, and did those tours and a lot of work in the tunnels, he said people were never showen into the bigger caves as they had a lot of equipment in there something to do with star gazing or something.I've been in there - plenty of room for a fighter once you're in, but a little pointless. There's only a small entrance and tunnel to get into the actual carverns, so the aircraft would have to be assembled after you got the bits in there and then what are you going to do with it? "The japs are coming, quick launch the planes ... ummmm ... shit ... ummmmm ..." mind you, it does sound like our sort of military planning. No, the place was intended as a secret headquarters in the event of a jap invasion, that's all.

[Swoop]

A good photo of an elephant walk.
US and South Korean F-16's taxiing.
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[Usarka]

No idea if this is on topic or not, but what looks better than F-15's........? F-15's in high definition!



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[Kickaha]

http://youtu.be/qgd3o--LIyg

[Edbear]

[ideo]

What is it about big multi-engined prop driven planes that just seems so right? Or is it prop driven planes in general?

[unstuck]

Why the hell do I keep ducking.:sweatdrop Cool .:Punk::Punk:

[Swoop]

It's sad to see the mossie being dismantled at the moment. Into a container and onto the ship on Friday.

[dangerous]

odd thing yesterday, ended up with 10 aircraft in the back yard... Rangoira micro lite club had a run to Ashburton but it was all foged out so one landed and asked if they could all drop in and wait the fog out.
2 hang glider types the rest super lite type aircraft, some 2 strokes some 4 strokes, hell flash these days 1 even had retractable under carage
Speaking to one of them who used to race bikes reckons micro liteing is cheaper than the bikes.

[Usarka]

The Making of the CAF DMWT Commercial

Nice! I could only find this one, were there any more?

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[Swoop]

Dismantling the Mossie...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M0JIjVqSR4c&sns=em

[Swoop]

Just a simply amazing flight! Fantastic cockpit footage.


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[paturoa]

Can't get any lower than actually landing, but this is unbelievabe STOL.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cWTcCtYl5Cs

[Usarka]

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..........

[Brett]

[QUOTE=Usarka;1130482495]No idea if this is on topic or not, but what looks better than F-15's........? F-15's in high definition!


Shit but that looked like an incredible amount of fun. (The dog fighting). I am incredibly envious of those guys flying those things.

[pzkpfw]

[QUOTE=Usarka;1130482495]No idea if this is on topic or not, but what looks better than F-15's........? F-15's in high definition!


Shit but that looked like an incredible amount of fun. (The dog fighting). I am incredibly envious of those guys flying those things.

Those things (love 'em) have an awesome combat record, but simulated combat with F22's has shown it takes six of them to take out one F22. Sadly, they really are last generation. (Though maybe that's a stupid thing to say in a thread mostly full of old aircraft).

[Swoop]

High-tech and expensive?
The latest generation of aircraft are of stealthy design and materials. The manoeuvrability can be slightly compromised in favour of stealth and the first-strike capability.
The F-35 is still having the bugs worked out of the various sub-types, but this aircraft is WAY over budget and delivery times are suffering and orders being cancelled. The USAF has now had to implement an upgrade program for the F-15’s so they will remain airworthy in the interim.

Stealthy aircraft are detectable. It is a question of WHEN they are detected and this is accomplished by computing power analysing the data from the sensors (radar).
Moore’s law (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moore's_law)states that computing power doubles every 18 months, so the concept of a stealthy airframe is rapidly diminishing once it enters service.
The paint used on an aircraft also requires special attention to help reduce radar signature.
No aircraft is invisible to radar. Whether it shows up as a seagull or a finch is the issue.
An F-18 Growler (http://www.flightglobal.com/blogs/the-dewline/2009/02/growler-power-ea-18g-boasts-f-.html#comments)has a kill of an F-22 painted on the cockpit side as a demonstration of its dogfighting abilities.

The Russian approach has been to ignore high-end stealth and go for a good all-round aircraft that can put up a good fight once the longer-range missiles and radar have been passed; superiority of numbers certainly helps here.

China has simply stolen technologies from America and attempted to create something that works, according to their own concepts of what is needed in the combat arena.

The question is “is stealth worth it”? Most certainly on the B-2 Spirit and similar first-strike designs, but for the run-of-the-mill fighter, is manoeuvrability more important?

It seems that different nations have pursued different pathways here.

[Berries]

And to lighten the thread again -

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[Swoop]

Just out of interest...

Is anyone else watching "Aviators" on ChoiceTV?
Monday nights at 9pm. Hosted by Martin Shaw.http://www.choicetv.co.nz/martin-shaw


This series follows Martin Shaw (Judge John Deed, George Gently) as he sets about restoring his Boeing Stearman bi-plane and along the way meeting pilots of other remarkable aircraft. Mondays 9PM

Apart from keeping an eye on the restoration he spends the series meeting pilots of other remarkable aircraft and, when he's lucky, getting a flight in some of them including a DC3 and a Lightning. The series also includes an interview with Prince Michael Of Kent a balloon race across South Devon; an interview with airline operator Stelios and another young airline operator,a look at the incredible Hovercam flying camera platform), a peep at the jetpack setting an altitude record for Smirnoff; an interview with rocket-builder Steve Bennett and a look at Parajet, the flying machine you can keep in the boot of your car and fly virtually anywhere (legally) without a licence

[far queue]

I'm recording it and will watch it over a couple of days once I've got it all.

[Swoop]

*Heave* ... right, dredge this thread up from the depths...


Check this out!
Dan Mills would be impressed!

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Guess what happened to the pilot a few weeks later...

[ellipsis]

Guess what happened to the pilot a few weeks later...

...I suppose it had to happen...eventually...

[nadroj]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=lsY4G-NS0Hc

[nudemetalz]

That Connie pass rocks !! :)

[BMWST?]

That Connie pass rocks !! :)


beautiful planes the streamlining looks more radical than the current shapes!

[Swoop]

Well, of all the threads to dredge up, it might as well be this one...

A topical piece that gets more amazing the more you look at what this guy is doing! Stuffed if I can work out how he has made some of those parts (ok, MOST of those parts...)
http://www.flickr.com/photos/lucaiaconistewart/sets/72157632208677161/

[ellipsis]

...that sure as hell is fine work...crazy is only a relative term I suppose...that Constellation pass was fantastic...the crowd appreciated it too...I was at the Farnborough Air Show on a couple of occasions...I seem to remember screaming the same kind of unintelligible shit that that bloke was...

[george formby]

A small plane flying exceedingly low. What could possibly go wrong?

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[unstuck]

A small plane flying exceedingly low. What could possibly go wrong?



Now move the flags out onto the mown bit. :2thumbsup

That was cool and ridiculous at the same time.:crazy:

[Swoop]

Aviation related: I note the first of the modified BUFF's has emerged from upgrade. Looks like they are heading towards a 100yr lifespan!:shit:

[Swoop]

While we were sleeping last night...


Sends shivers down the back! AVRO's 3 sisters. CRANK the volume!!

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[dangerous]

while we were sleeping last night...
Sends shivers down the back! Avro's 3 sisters. Crank the volume!!


fuck yes...

[Swoop]

Nice to see that VeRA has almost made it home to Canada. A long Atlantic flight.

Now, for some spectacular low level formation work...
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-29352781

[husaberg]

While we were sleeping last night...


Sends shivers down the back! AVRO's 3 sisters. CRANK the volume!!


Easy to forget how huge the Vulcan is
I watched the doco on the Falkland's raid with the Vulcan the other day.... it was an eye opener.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=40knj0qg_Us

[Swoop]

Easy to forget how huge the Vulcan is

If you ever get to stand underneath one... It gets quite dark! A massive wing.
The Black Buck raids on Stanley were a complete waste of resources. A very nice chance to show off by the light-blue brigade though.

[husaberg]

If you ever get to stand underneath one... It gets quite dark! A massive wing.
The Black Buck raids on Stanley were a complete waste of resources. A very nice chance to show off by the light-blue brigade though.


I don't agree it shut the airport, moved the air support to the mainland, but realistically could have been done with the SAS far cheaper, agreed. but tankers fueling tankers fueling tankers fueling tankers fueling strike craft, all done on the magic of a calculator.
it gave them headlines and I guess served a political purpose.

[george formby]

I don't agree it shut the airport, moved the air support to the mainland, but realistically could have been done with the SAS far cheaper, agreed. but tankers fueling tankers fueling tankers fueling tankers fueling strike craft, all done on the magic of a calculator.
it gave them headlines and I guess served a political purpose.

:laugh:Most advanced thing on the plane was a casio calculator. Great doco.

[BuzzardNZ]

[QUOTE=husaberg;1130775235]Easy to forget how huge the Vulcan is
I watched the doco on the Falkland's raid with the Vulcan the other day.... it was an eye opener.

Enjoyed watching that. Cheers :2thumbsup

[Swoop]

I don't agree it shut the airport, moved the air support to the mainland, but realistically could have been done with the SAS far cheaper
2 x SHAR with 3x 0.5k ea. Job done.
Dark blu: 1.
Light blue: 0. (PR machine works overtime & = Light blue :~8).

[BuzzardNZ]

[QUOTE=husaberg;1130775235]Easy to forget how huge the Vulcan is
I watched the doco on the Falkland's raid with the Vulcan the other day.... it was an eye opener.

Enjoyed watching that. Cheers :2thumbsup

[husaberg]

2 x SHAR with 3x 0.5k ea. Job done.
Dark blu: 1.
Light blue: 0. (PR machine works overtime & = Light blue :~8).

worst thing is the militants would just make do with the one civilian tanker (read airliner)

[dangerous]

some good shit there... cheers, look up the book "Avro 407"

[Swoop]

From low level, to "all sorts of levels"! The A-10 Stormchaser.

Looking at some of the battle damage inflicted during the gulf wars, a good solid choice!


The U.S. Air Force is providing the NSF (National Science Foundation) with a working A-10 ground attack aircraft for conversion to a storm (tornado or hurricane) chaser. The A-10 will have all its weapons and military electronics removed. The NSF is providing $13 million to install electronics (in place of the fire control system) that will enable the A-10 to monitor weather conditions in the immediate vicinity more accurately and also launch small sensors into a storm. The aircraft will be ready later in 2014, in time for late season hurricanes.

The basic A-10 is a 1960s design that has been upgraded a lot since it first appeared in the 1970s. The A-10 is a 23 ton, twin engine, single seat aircraft whose primary weapon is a multi-barrel 30mm cannon originally designed to fire armoured piercing shells at Russian tanks. In addition, the A-10 can carry seven tons of bombs and missiles. Cruising speed is 560 kilometres an hour and the A-10 can slow down to about 230 kilometres an hour. In Afghanistan two drop tanks are usually carried, to give the aircraft more fuel and maximum time over the battlefield. The storm chaser version will still have the hard points on the wings so it can carry more wing tanks in addition to the small bomb-like sensor devices (that broadcast what they detect) that are dropped into storms. Removing the 30mm cannon leaves space for cameras, special radars and whatever.

The A-10 was built to withstand a lot of ground fire and be a stable gun platform when flying close to the ground (where the weather can be rather bumpier for aircraft.) Storms tend to generate high winds and hail and close to the ground the winds can send a lot of small objects moving around at high speed. The A-10 can handle this sort of thing and carry enough fuel to stay in the air for six hours or more.

[george formby]

That sounds very feasible. Hands up who wants to fly it.

The 3 sisters. Was speaking to me Mam in August & she told me about her pub lunch. Right in the middle of her lasagne & salad a Lancaster just about knocked the chimneys of the pub. Place went wild.
The pilots must really maximise their air time over a large area. Awesome.

[husaberg]

While we were sleeping last night...


Sends shivers down the back! AVRO's 3 sisters. CRANK the volume!!


I just clicked no Shakleton...........

They must have a few of them left, it wasn't that long ago they went out of service was it?
Will have to google. 1951-1990

[george formby]

I just clicked no Shakleton...........

They must have a few of them left, it wasn't that long ago they went out of service was it?
Will have to google.

Was not the UK using Shackleton's as early warning & weather planes during the Cold war?

[husaberg]

Was not the UK using Shackleton's as early warning & weather planes during the Cold war?

pretty much same role as an Orion only with what looks like a Lancaster airframe and sexier engines, RR Griffin
1951-1990
http://www.kitkrazy.com/images/items/shack.jpghttp://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41NzwptAGBL._SX425_.jpg
.........................Shakleton .....................................Lancaster a bit of family resemblance in the tail at least

[Swoop]

Lancaster a bit of family resemblance in the tail at least
The Shackleton was developed from the Lincoln bomber. The Lincoln was developed from the Lanc.

Shac also had contra-rotating props.
When they went out of service, quite a few engines were used in spitfire rebuilds.

[Swoop]

Oooh yeah! 440kn ias engine failure. Very well handled indeed!


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[george formby]

Not strictly speaking a fly by. Landing in Queenstown. Rather cool vid I thought.

Very pretty (http://www.chonday.com/Videos/pilotnewzdalnd1)

[unstuck]

Not strictly speaking a fly by. Landing in Queenstown. Rather cool vid I thought.

Very pretty[/URL]

Much better than looking out the side windows thats for sure.:2thumbsup

[dangerous]

Not strictly speaking a fly by. Landing in Queenstown. Rather cool vid I thought.

Very pretty (http://www.chonday.com/Videos/pilotnewzdalnd1)
fuck yeah, awesome... aint much runway left at the end of that :no:

[unstuck]

fuck yeah, awesome... aint much runway left at the end of that :no:

Never seems to be much runway left in Qtown every time I land there. Must be a little shorter than normal.

[Swoop]

Damn! Another aircraft type now fully retired.
The A-7 Corsair II. A great bomb-truck in its time.
http://www.warbirdsnews.com/warbirds-news/a-7-corsair-ii-officially-warbird-haf-finally-retires-service.html

[Swoop]

Take a few mins to find out more about AMARG.

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[R650R]

Interesting read from the guy who designed F-16 and A-10

http://russia-insider.com/en/military/2014/11/04/02-05-14pm/latest_russian_fighter_jet_blows_americas_away

[R650R]

Take a few mins to find out more about AMARG.


cheers that was a good watch and only 8mins

[pete376403]

Take a few mins to find out more about AMARG.

aka Pick-a-Part.

[Swoop]

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Nice porn!

[husaberg]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uKOrpyO0z48

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o3xZV5q44d4

[Berries]

More thrust please captain -

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[husaberg]

<iframe width="554" height="310" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/je4PLZI8jEE" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>
If you have ever seen a Hercules close up doing terrain flying in little river valleys it is a site you never forget.

[dangerous]

Ok so yesterday I spent the day with a few school mums... ohh and 30 kids, anyway went to the wigram musume hangers 2-3 were the resto work is done and aircraft not on show. There was a bristol Fraighter with what I consider as the best sounding engines ever radial sleave (no valves) Huculeas now there was a engine on display, awesome looking thing twin exhaust port very fine cooling fins... mean

What wasent so mean is every single aircraft in there I have seen fly, now they are grounded, guess one day Ill be grounded to.
wasp, andover, cataleaner, soux, seaspright, dc3, bristol, skyhawk, strikemaste,r dove and a Hudson

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[ellipsis]

Ok so yesterday I spent the day with a few school mums...



...that must be the 20 miles from home and before 3pm club?...

[husaberg]

Ok so yesterday I spent the day with a few school mums... ohh and 30 kids, anyway went to the wigram musume hangers 2-3 were the resto work is done and aircraft not on show. There was a bristol Fraighter with what I consider as the best sounding engines ever radial sleave (no valves) Huculeas now there was a engine on display, awesome looking thing twin exhaust port very fine cooling fins... mean

What wasent so mean is every single aircraft in there I have seen fly, now they are grounded, guess one day Ill be grounded to.
wasp, andover, cataleaner, soux, seaspright, dc3, bristol, skyhawk, strikemaste,r dove and a Hudson



Out of interest How many of the 3 o'clock Taxis had on puffer jackets?
I remember there was a broken Bristol freighter fuselage at Ferrymead when I was a kid. Chathams Air I think still might have been flying them then.

Anyway here is the donk.
Count how many gears.
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[dangerous]

ohh yeah I mean think biout it what or who ever designed that farking thing.. awesome

[george formby]

:crazy: Barnstorming indeed.

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[Swoop]

The RNZAF are still flying!

This shot is taken out in the "death star trench" area.
315469


Here we have a shot of a 3rd, 4th and 5th Generation of fighter aircraft.
315470

[dangerous]

found this vid, its a long one but well worth the look, awesome beast and a mish to fly... hows that bombadeers view for ya.

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Now I sent the link to my step father you can tell he knows his shit this is what he had to say about the 29er

Old FIFI the only B29 flying these days as I understand it, though there is one in Wichita that may end up being airworthy as well, I believe around 3500 to 3600 were built.

By all accounts bitches of things to fly, and taxi, no nose wheel steering, nose wheel pivoted controlled by using main wheel brakes. A consequence of this was throttle controls outboard of the pilot and co pilots seats used only on take off, because the rudder did not take effect till around 35 knots, differential throttle application was required by the pilot to stop the aircraft pulling to one side of the runway as power was applied for the take off roll. All other input such as prop pitch, fuel rich, was done by the Flight Engineer, as was throttle settings for various stages of flight, approach and landing.

Big 18 cylinder radials Wright Cyclones 2200 HP each aircraft fully laden was just over 60 tons a bit lighter than a B737-200.

As mentioned these things flew like a brick apparently, no power boost or servo tabs assisting flight control movement, and to keep the Muthatruka straight on approach for landing especially with crosswinds huge aileron and rudder input was needed as they wallowed over the fence at around 100 knots, obviously strong arm and leg muscles were needed!!

Flight engineers were used up to and including B747-200, DC10 , B727, B707 era aircraft and all early multi piston engine aircraft, they are an extinct species now with modern aircraft. The DC10 that crashed into Mt Erebus in the Antarctic, the last recorded words of the Captain was a command to the Flight Engineer saying " Go Round Power Please"

The flight engineer on the B29 is a busy person, controls fuel off/ on, rich/ lean, prop pitch, engine synchronisation, hence the power and fuel levers not quite aligned as each engine required a slightly different control input to match each engines performance and prop RPM. You could see and hear him making the power adjustments once he got it right he pulsating of the engines became an even beat. A very interesting video.

[Swoop]

Old FIFI the only B29 flying these days as I understand it, though there is one in Wichita that may end up being airworthy as well
He's referring to "Doc".
A stunning rebuild and she should be flying already. Just waiting for FAA paperwar...

I posted something recently about the WW2 Pacific bombing campaign and it went into what the flight engineer had to do. The planning that went into each bombing mission over Japan was quite involved, from the fighter escorts (& their specific nav aircraft) to the rescue areas of ocean and pickup aircraft dedicated to each ditching area.