A haka for teacher and pupil?

[mashman]

Did anyone see the Andre Agassi School on the Sunday programme? Brilliant. A school that recites a "motto" to "galvanise" the kids together, like the cubs/scouts/girl guides/brownies etc... The adults/teachers talk to the kids like they were human beings and not pieces of shit (I'm sure they do here too :yes:). This is setup in the worst are of Vegas supposedly. They have a 100% rate of kids graduating and gaining a place at college.

They can then go home and teach the parents who never had that upbringing :innocent:.

As for the "motto", praps NZ could have a Teacher Haka and a kid Haka? That'd sound awesome belting out from schools around the country, Teachers saying, we'll teach you, please don't fuck around or I'll slice yer throat. And kids saying, we'll learn, be good Teachers and let me be me. Simple ground rules for the battle that is to commence :rofl:. Teachers and kids deserve better! (I also like the sounds of the pipes in the hills on sunday mornings, church bells (in the distance) and little tweedy birds and the sound of the V-Twins and the kid still being fast asleep etc...

If it is possible, why has it not been done? Surely every child in the country deserves a grade A education?

Wont somebody think about the children :eek5:

[Red39]

I believe the children are our future....teach them well and let them lead the way:rofl:

Have you been hitting the Glenmorangie early this morning Mashman? Or is it the sleep deprivation - pipes in the distant hills, birds singing.....:crazy:

[mashman]

I believe the children are our future....teach them well and let them lead the way:rofl:

Have you been hitting the Glenmorangie early this morning Mashman? Or is it the sleep deprivation - pipes in the distant hills, birds singing.....:crazy:

:rofl:... "Show them all the beauty they possess inside Give them a sense of pride to make it easier".

Probably getting out yesterday did it... fresh air, back roads, the company of people etc... rounded off with a great day with the kids.

I've actually got man flu. Kids have had it and they're so sweet, they shared it with me :).

It's just odd that it takes a famous tennis player to build top notch facilities in "deprived" areas, where we pay a govt to do it for us. That's not a case of let's privatise it either, it's a case of putting the money up front instead of later on. I realise that there are plenty of gotchas associated with that too, other than highly educated kids that is.

[Oscar]

The NZ educational system is ranked 7th in the world in terms of achievement by 15 year olds in Reading, Maths & Science:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/news/datablog/2010/dec/07/world-education-rankings-maths-science-reading

On the basis of his rantings above it appears that Mashmug was educated in Kyrgyztan.

[mashman]

The NZ educational system is ranked 7th in the world in terms of achievement by 15 year olds in Reading, Maths & Science:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/news/datablog/2010/dec/07/world-education-rankings-maths-science-reading

On the basis of his rantings above it appears that Mashmug was educated in Kyrgyztan.

:rofl: ... and the Agassi school has a 100% success rate with kids going ending up in College (what about NZ?). The best we can do is train up some post-grads for 6 weeks and then throw them into teaching in a low decile area. You're only 7th! Fuckin pathetic given you have 4.5 million people on the island.

I should be so lucky.

[Red39]

Probably getting out yesterday did it... fresh air, back roads, the company of people etc...

It's just odd that it takes a famous tennis player to build top notch facilities in "deprived" areas, where we pay a govt to do it for us. That's not a case of let's privatise it either, it's a case of putting the money up front instead of later on. I realise that there are plenty of gotchas associated with that too, other than highly educated kids that is.

Fresh air and back roads will do that to ya.....too much time to think;)

Ummm, perhaps we should ask a high profile sportsman to build a top notch facility in good old NZ. Not naming any names but PIRI WEEPU must be coining it in with the Coke commercials. :lol: Sure he'd spring for it!

[mashman]

Fresh air and back roads will do that to ya.....too much time to think;)

Ummm, perhaps we should ask a high profile sportsman to build a top notch facility in good old NZ. Not naming any names but PIRI WEEPU must be coining it in with the Coke commercials. :lol: Sure he'd spring for it!

heh, it was a treat.

Maybe... but what about the rest of the country's kids?

[mashman]

I believe the children are our future....teach them well and let them lead the way:rofl:

Oddly enough... on the same programme they had Lucy Lawless... she reckons Mothers are the future :yes:

[Red39]

Oddly enough... on the same programme they had Lucy Lawless... she reckons Mothers are the future :yes:

In what respect? She's a feckin numpty anyway.....much more appealing whooping it up with a leather skirt on and sword in her hand or plugging some other woman's fundamental a la Rome than spouting political shite on TV:yawn:

[Oscar]

:rofl: ... and the Agassi school has a 100% success rate with kids going ending up in College (what about NZ?). The best we can do is train up some post-grads for 6 weeks and then throw them into teaching in a low decile area. You're only 7th! Fuckin pathetic given you have 4.5 million people on the island.

I should be so lucky.

???
The Aggassi school is in the US, which is ranked 17th in the world.
NZ is 7th, miles above the OECD average.

Rejoice in the fact that the country is doing summat right for a change.

[mashman]

In what respect? She's a feckin numpty anyway.....much more appealing whooping it up with a leather skirt on and sword in her hand or plugging some other woman's fundamental a la Rome than spouting political shite on TV:yawn:

She talked about more than the Greenpeace thing. Not just a pretty face I'd bet. Just a woman whose job it was to whoop whoop around to make some money. She has other concerns it would seem. But that was just my take ;)



???
The Aggassi school is in the US, which is ranked 17th in the world.
NZ is 7th, miles above the OECD average.

Rejoice in the fact that the country is doing summat right for a change.

He's shown you the model that works in the areas that you have concerns about. If you had to setup a business, you would comprise young people with that attitude. I see no reason why all schools can't be like that. A school of teaching is more than four walls filled with little robots.

100% and the school is only 17th. T'would seem that it should be ranked, at minimum, joint 1st. Meh, what would I know in regards to how they go about making their "judgements".

[avgas]

:rofl: ... and the Agassi school has a 100% success rate with kids going ending up in College (what about NZ?). The best we can do is train up some post-grads for 6 weeks and then throw them into teaching in a low decile area. You're only 7th! Fuckin pathetic given you have 4.5 million people on the island.

I should be so lucky.
No offense but what is the point?

I have a Bachelors in Engineering, a Masters in Business Administration, various other minor qualifications because I was brought up that 'College' is the way to the top by my father (who lived on the end of a shovel).

A hi-ab driver or some retard who never went to school but spent the last 20 years stacking supermarket shelves gets paid more than me.
Even half our politicians don't have respectable qualifications to run a business let alone a country.

NZ is ready to accept that University qualifications are just that - Qualifications. Its still holding onto the mantra of bricks and mortar make you a good employee.......paper is weak and useless here.

Even the army thinks its ok to call an unqualified fool an engineer -> http://farrst.blogspot.co.nz/2011/04/ever-had-your-qualification-rubbished.html

Creating more graduates in NZ will simply make more people who can't get a job because the morons at the top didn't have a qualification. Until those old farts die and are eventually replaced by someone who knows how to read......nothing is to change.

[mashman]

No offense but what is the point?

I have a Bachelors in Engineering, a Masters in Business Administration, various other minor qualifications because I was brought up that 'College' is the way to the top by my father (who lived on the end of a shovel).

A hi-ab driver or some retard who never went to school but spent the last 20 years stacking supermarket shelves gets paid more than me.
Even half our politicians don't have respectable qualifications to run a business let alone a country.

NZ is ready to accept that University qualifications are just that - Qualifications. Its still holding onto the mantra of bricks and mortar make you a good employee.......paper is weak and useless here.

Even the army thinks its ok to call an unqualified fool an engineer -> http://farrst.blogspot.co.nz/2011/04/ever-had-your-qualification-rubbished.html

Creating more graduates in NZ will simply make more people who can't get a job because the morons at the top didn't have a qualification. Until those old farts die and are eventually replaced by someone who knows how to read......nothing is to change.

Lollies, no offense taken.

The education system needs to be changed and quite heavily. Focussing on the student instead of the qualification. A respect that's hard to convey on tinternetz. Teachers are there to teach, they are there to learn. We work 8 whores a day, they do 6 hours. How we're treated there seems to be quite important as to how we learn.

As for qualifications v's experience v's reparation... pah, those days are long gone as they're no guarantee of anything.

Your soldier is probably out there because the office carer guys are dickheads.

[pete376403]

She talked about more than the Greenpeace thing. Not just a pretty face I'd bet. Just a woman whose job it was to whoop whoop around to make some money. She has other concerns it would seem. But that was just my take ;)



He's shown you the model that works in the areas that you have concerns about. If you had to setup a business, you would comprise young people with that attitude. I see no reason why all schools can't be like that. A school of teaching is more than four walls filled with little robots.

100% and the school is only 17th. T'would seem that it should be ranked, at minimum, joint 1st. Meh, what would I know in regards to how they go about making their "judgements".

I think you misread that - the US is ranked 17th, not Agassis school.
Did you note that the kids do an extra two hours per day, every school day, which has the effect of giving them an extra 4 years education.

[pete376403]

Lollies, no offense taken.

The education system needs to be changed and quite heavily. Focussing on the student instead of the qualification. A respect that's hard to convey on tinternetz. Teachers are there to teach, they are there to learn. We work 8 whores a day, they do 6 hours. How we're treated there seems to be quite important as to how we learn. .

You get 8 whores a day? Looks like you're treated quite well.

[schrodingers cat]

A post graduate Diploma of Teaching takes 1 year of study if you have a degree or degree equivalent (appropriate trade qualification etc)

If your passion is the future of our great nation fight the good fight from the inside. Sign up today! Money is OK, short days and endless holidays.

We all know about teaching cause we've all been to school right?

Otherwise shut the fuck up.

Yours respectfully, an ex teacher.

[avgas]

Your soldier is probably out there because the office carer guys are dickheads.
I have found this to be a top-down mantra.

Very few dickheads come from the bottom, unless they are trained from someone at the top first.

[avgas]

Yours respectfully, an ex teacher.
I would sign up to be a teacher.........if I was allowed to talk to the students as if they were adults.
Until that happens I personally don't understand why people do it. And feel sorry for the teachers of today.

But then again I am a a lowly engineer who is kept out back and kicked when things go wrong elsewhere in the company.........and I doubt someone has lit a candle or shed a tear for me.

Tis a fucked up world we live in.

[Winston001]

I would sign up to be a teacher.........if I was allowed to talk to the students as if they were adults.

Until that happens I personally don't understand why people do it. And feel sorry for the teachers of today.


Understand but I don't think it works quite like that. You can't talk to primary school children as adults, they don't have the knowledge or the language. Secondary school kids lack the maturity to be treated as adults until they are at least 15yrs - in fact I bet you can think of adults who fail the maturity test. :D

I suspect what you mean is treating children with respect, not belittling them, ignoring them, not playing favourites. Well my experience is todays teachers do treat their students with respect and encouragement.

However respect runs both ways and this is where it goes wrong. Quite a few children do not respect the teachers or the school, or anybody. And worse still, their parents are equally disrespectful so the kids are on the back foot from birth.

[avgas]

However respect runs both ways and this is where it goes wrong. Quite a few children do not respect the teachers or the school, or anybody. And worse still, their parents are equally disrespectful so the kids are on the back foot from birth.
Yep your getting where I was going.
There needs to be boot camp for problem students so that the other 90% can learn because they want to.
We need a way to eliminate bad parenting from how it affects schooling.

[mashman]

Yep your getting where I was going.
There needs to be boot camp for problem students so that the other 90% can learn because they want to.
We need a way to eliminate bad parenting from how it affects schooling.

Or encourage the kids, at school, to be better than their parents? obviously that could lead to a load of kids not wanting to be with their parents, but I don't have a problem with that, although I would imagine the state will in one way or another.

[avgas]

Or encourage the kids, at school, to be better than their parents? obviously that could lead to a load of kids not wanting to be with their parents, but I don't have a problem with that, although I would imagine the state will in one way or another.
Hence 'boot camp' rather than kicking them out.

There has been substantial progress made with out of class activities that get kids more involved in school. Worked for me, I did panelbeating, automotive shop, CAD.....

I doubt you will reach these kids by simply telling them "you should learn maths to be better than your parents!". If you want encourage a young teenage boy to learn maths, give him a ruler and a welder and say you want him to make something from a set of measurements/calculations. Subliminal Maths, Stats, physics, chemistry......

Likewise get teenage girls to argue (sorry I mean 'debate') about something they have to read about. Without knowing it they have covered English, Maths, Social Studies, Communications.....

Damn sight better than getting kids to write book reports about 'Utu', sing Maori songs and paint pictures of fruit.
Lets not make the poor sods bored and depressed until they start working.

[Oscar]

Or encourage the kids, at school, to be better than their parents? obviously that could lead to a load of kids not wanting to be with their parents, but I don't have a problem with that, although I would imagine the state will in one way or another.

This presupposes that education starts at school, not at home.
Parents have a lot more influence on their children’s education than any teacher.
Excluding parents from their children’s education or belittling the parents as part of the education process is a recipe for disaster.

You may be comfortable with a stranger telling your kids that you are an idiot, but I am not.

[mashman]

Hence 'boot camp' rather than kicking them out.

There has been substantial progress made with out of class activities that get kids more involved in school. Worked for me, I did panelbeating, automotive shop, CAD.....

I doubt you will reach these kids by simply telling them "you should learn maths to be better than your parents!". If you want encourage a young teenage boy to learn maths, give him a ruler and a welder and say you want him to make something from a set of measurements/calculations. Subliminal Maths, Stats, physics, chemistry......

Likewise get teenage girls to argue (sorry I mean 'debate') about something they have to read about. Without knowing it they have covered English, Maths, Social Studies, Communications.....

Damn sight better than getting kids to write book reports about 'Utu', sing Maori songs and paint pictures of fruit.
Lets not make the poor sods bored and depressed until they start working.

I agree wholeheartedly. Whatever it takes :yes:. The entire school system and private industry would have to change pretty quickly if the "kids"decided to behave themselves. I don't see "kids" as being unreasonable, just stubborn. "Kids" are easy (:rofl:) , you just got to help point them in a direction they want to go.

I see nothing wrong with a bit of culture.

[mashman]

This presupposes that education starts at school, not at home.
Parents have a lot more influence on their children’s education than any teacher.
Excluding parents from their children’s education or belittling the parents as part of the education process is a recipe for disaster.

You may be comfortable with a stranger telling your kids that you are an idiot, but I am not.

True. Isn't that what they mean when they say that the child just fell through the cracks?
True. No reason for the child not to receive an education though?
True.

[Squiggles]

short days and endless holidays

I must be at the wrong school. :doh:

[avgas]

I see nothing wrong with a bit of culture.
I do when it is being forced.

Culture is something that develops naturally, and is picked up on ones own behalf.
To force culture onto people is quite simply Suppression of onces own individual culture.

Culture is actually I wonderful thing when you pursue it of you own free will.
Make the subjects optional and you will see kids who really want to learn in the class. Or get hot teachers.

[Ronin]

Or encourage the kids, at school, to be better than their parents? obviously that could lead to a load of kids not wanting to be with their parents, but I don't have a problem with that, although I would imagine the state will in one way or another.

Honestly, without the support of the parents you are on an uphill battle. We have 3 kids in the school system at the moment, all at different schools. Without fault the first time we turn up at a parent teacher meeting and are seen to be taking an active interest in our kids education we are met with surprise and delight. It is not the norm now for this to happen. Even when we finish the numbers etc and we ask, "now what type of person are they"?

Until parents attitudes change, the teachers are fighting an uphill battle.

[mashman]

I do when it is being forced.

Culture is something that develops naturally, and is picked up on ones own behalf.
To force culture onto people is quite simply Suppression of onces own individual culture.

Culture is actually I wonderful thing when you pursue it of you own free will.
Make the subjects optional and you will see kids who really want to learn in the class. Or get hot teachers.

Fair enough... suits et al drive me mad too :shifty:. We are forced to do things at school we'd rather not do and it carries on into adulthood, so being forced to adopt A (singular) cultural greeting would be a little more palatable?. Whilst optional culture is the only way to go, especially from an individual point of view, getting hot teachers into a grass skirt isn't going to happen by itself and it will likely need a helping hand to push it in through the back door.

All I'm really talking about is A "cultural" greeting between students and teachers (we're in NZ, a "haka" seemed sensible), praps only once a week, praps every morning, dunno... but it's more about confirming the ground rules for the daily interaction between student and teacher... the majority of students would take it "seriously"? or at least "heed" the message? and on that basis hopefully the students won't need the teachers to babysit them as they will know they have support etc...? it most probably is a garbage idea... however it's 1 way to offer respect for each others "job".



Honestly, without the support of the parents you are on an uphill battle. We have 3 kids in the school system at the moment, all at different schools. Without fault the first time we turn up at a parent teacher meeting and are seen to be taking an active interest in our kids education we are met with surprise and delight. It is not the norm now for this to happen. Even when we finish the numbers etc and we ask, "now what type of person are they"?

Until parents attitudes change, the teachers are fighting an uphill battle.

Completely agreed, but there are parents that are going to ignore anything that's happening in the "kids" life, but the kid still needs to learn the "respect" lesson. Where Home fails, School should be able to provide a backup? The Agassi school is set in a hole where there are undoubtedly more than a couple of bad parents, yet it still works. It would seem that it is the school that is making the difference...

The above shows that whilst parents are important they aren't the be all and end all in regards to student outcome. Granted that's not a hard, thick, fast rule, but it does show that something else is at work... and it must be the school environment?

[schrodingers cat]

I must be at the wrong school. :doh:

Certainly not one where sarcasm is on the curriculum.

Or you're doing it wrong.