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skdeepak88

5th March 2012, 16:22

Hi Guys,

I am Deepak. I am new to NZ and before this i was in India. India is not the place where we can find lot of Superbikes but still i reckon i am a good rider as i am riding bikes for 7 years now. One of the reasons i came to this country is to own a Superbike. I dunno where to start with it. I would like to own 600 cc bikes from one of these manufacturers (Honda, Kawasaki, Suzuki, Yamaha, Triumph). Not just any bikes but only the sports type.. Can you guys suggest which one is best to start with ?? As far as i know Triumph is purely track oriented and its is likely that i wont get on the track for racing as soon as i get one of these. Please don't say, as i am a beginer go with 250ss :) Lets forget about 250ss for now :D

speights_bud

5th March 2012, 16:27

Riiiiigggghttt........ :whistle:

Rehab

5th March 2012, 16:29

This should be amusing...

skdeepak88

5th March 2012, 16:30

Riiiiigggghttt........ :whistle:

Does that mean you are coming up with a suggestion for me ?? :)

skdeepak88

5th March 2012, 16:31

This should be amusing...
Its pretty tough to choose an option when I know less about it.. So I leave it to you guys and ll go from there!!

slofox

5th March 2012, 16:47

Go try a few out and see which you like best.

haydes55

5th March 2012, 16:52

Crasherfromwayback

5th March 2012, 17:12

Whichever bike you choose, make sure you insure it.

Str8 Jacket

5th March 2012, 17:17

Whichever bike you choose, make sure you insure it.

And maybe don't test ride it first.....

Madness

5th March 2012, 17:22

Trust me, get a black Yamaha R6 and put some red flames down the sides for that super-custom look. Then get yourself some white boots and always maintain a classy hairstyle. Do these three things and you will be a kick-arse superbike dude in no time.

Gremlin

5th March 2012, 17:23

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Wonder if they're already a member, in which case spank will identify the IP... hehe and combine identities.

Anyway, Deepak, if you want sports I suggest a Hayabusa, because you're clearly ready for it. If you didn't like sportsbikes so much I'd suggest a Triumph Rocket, it's engine is almost twice the size around 2L (the busa is only 1.3L)

onearmedbandit

5th March 2012, 17:35

Wow harsh audience in here huh. Whatever happened to 'benefit of the doubt'? The good ol' Kiwi way.

If indeed you are legit (and I have checked the 'Aliases' section in the Mod's forum and he doesn't show up there) and you have had 7yrs experience, and consider yourself a good rider, than a 600 sportsbike should be fine for you as long as you are a sensible rider. However the current laws here require you to ride a bike of 250cc or less for both your 'learners' and 'restricted' license periods so insurance and possible finance options will be limited.

However if you are still going to go buy a 600, may I recommend a CBR600RR? My fiancée rides one and it is a very easy bike to ride, one of the lightest in its class, with a reasonable mid-range as well. Good build quality, typical Honda really. Look on www.trademe.co.nz for options.

If you are a troll, then my loss. I got duped by a computer screen, woe is me.

tigertim20

5th March 2012, 17:48

BigAl

5th March 2012, 18:24

Yeah you definitely need a thou to start on, just make sure you red line it in every gear to test that the engine is reliable.

jrandom

5th March 2012, 18:49

the girlfriends 600RR

... may I recommend a CBR600RR? My fiancée rides one

Well, well, well.

:cool:

Props for not being a conformist and proposing on Valentine's Day.

jrandom

5th March 2012, 18:51

I'm actually with OAB; I think the OP is probably for real.

Marmoot

5th March 2012, 20:04

Heh, reminds me of me. I came here to own a superbike.
We don't have over 200cc where I came from.

I'd say you can't go wrong with CBR600. Hondas are always easier to ride as it is softer.

cs363

5th March 2012, 23:01

Well, well, well.

:cool:

Props for not being a conformist and proposing on Valentine's Day.

And the Sherlock Holmes award goes to.... :sherlock:

Well spotted!

ellipsis

5th March 2012, 23:30

...if yer in dorkland area i hear ya only need a scooter...next best thing after that would be the new Norton...or failing that get down to a racing club and say hello...

cams-racing.org.nz

nodrog

6th March 2012, 07:15

You should buy this (http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php/147426-FOR-SALE-2006-Suzuki-S40-Boulevard) its quicker than any sportsbike.

skdeepak88

6th March 2012, 08:41

Most bikes in India are 50-125cc, very light weight and no high speed riding. What bikes have you ridden?

You're new to NZ, the roads are different, other road users are different. Try a 250 first (I was looking at bigger bikes earlier but decided to stay with the 250's for now and haven't regretted it. Try a Honda Hornet or Suzuki Bandit.

At the very least do some motorcycle handling courses in NZ, They will teach you alot about how to ride our roads safely. I plan on doing at least one motorcycle training course before sitting my full licence and I've ridden over 30,000km on the 250's I have owned aswell as riding bikes since I was 12 (raced a 500 since I was 16). But that's racing, riding on the road. Road riding is about survival first, fun second.

That's just my opinion, would like to hear what you bike experience is. What bikes you have ridden and what sort of speeds you usually rode at? city riding or out in the country?

Wow!! Racing 500 since 16 was awesome!! I dunno if you know about Indian roads. They are 20 times busier than NZ roads so when i say i got 7 years of exp in riding its on those heavy traffic roads.
I have ridden 250s (Karizma, Pulsar) and famous yamaha R15 for a while. That is the reason i don't want to get a 250 because i know how they feels. I have never been on the track with my bikes but have done lot of illegal street racing :cool:

skdeepak88

6th March 2012, 08:41

skdeepak88

6th March 2012, 08:45

Wonder if they're already a member, in which case spank will identify the IP... hehe and combine identities.

Anyway, Deepak, if you want sports I suggest a Hayabusa, because you're clearly ready for it. If you didn't like sportsbikes so much I'd suggest a Triumph Rocket, it's engine is almost twice the size around 2L (the busa is only 1.3L)

Thats really funny!! I am not ready for 1L class.. wanna say something different this time ?

skdeepak88

6th March 2012, 08:50

skdeepak88

6th March 2012, 08:53

I have two questions
What is your blood type, and are you a donor on your licence?
I think you should just get a ZX10r - they are really learner friendly for a beginner to big bikes, and it will make you look like valentino rossi cos its so easy to ride!

I think my blood type is AB- but not sure ;) and no i am not a donor on my license.. So you reckon ZX10r ?? won't it be too much for me as i have no superbike experience before ?? I thought of starting with 600 class but it its 1L then the jump is too much.. wat do you think ??

Str8 Jacket

6th March 2012, 08:55

I think my blood type is AB- but not sure ;) and no i am not a donor on my license.. So you reckon ZX10r ?? won't it be too much for me as i have no superbike experience before ?? I thought of starting with 600 class but it its 1L then the jump is too much.. wat do you think ??

I think you should start with a 600 as onearmbandit says.... Be fun on the track too

skdeepak88

6th March 2012, 08:56

Heh, reminds me of me. I came here to own a superbike.
We don't have over 200cc where I came from.

I'd say you can't go wrong with CBR600. Hondas are always easier to ride as it is softer.

May be you are right as you are the second person to say go with CBR!! thanks for tat advice :)

skdeepak88

6th March 2012, 08:58

You should buy this (http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php/147426-FOR-SALE-2006-Suzuki-S40-Boulevard) its quicker than any sportsbike.

Sorry!! i duno if you read my actual question!! or may be you want to sell tat stuff to me!! I am sorry again i am not interested in Suzuki S40 anyways :)

skdeepak88

6th March 2012, 09:04

I think you should start with a 600 as onearmbandit says.... Be fun on the track too

So you are saying go with CBR as onearmbandit is saying!!! Well so i got 3 ppl suggesting me this machine!! :) Thanks for that!!

Katman

6th March 2012, 10:08

I have never been on the track with my bikes but have done lot of illegal street racing :cool:

You and I are going to have fun.

skdeepak88

6th March 2012, 10:25

You and I are going to have fun.

That sounds really cool :) I am trying to sort-out a proper bike for me.. We ll catchup once i got one on my hands !!!

kiwifruit

6th March 2012, 10:58

Welcome to NZ :)

yod

6th March 2012, 11:02

have done lot of illegal street racing :cool:

You and I are going to have fun.

That sounds really cool :) I am trying to sort-out a proper bike for me.. We ll catchup once i got one on my hands !!!

oh dear....

skdeepak88

6th March 2012, 11:07

Welcome to NZ :)

thanks for those links !! :)

Pumpkin Pie

6th March 2012, 13:47

welcome to KB - it's all G homes....

skdeepak88

6th March 2012, 14:15

welcome to KB - it's all G homes....

Welcome biker!!

Pumpkin Pie

6th March 2012, 14:30

i been here for aaages....i just more of a lurker than a poster

skdeepak88

6th March 2012, 14:38

i been here for aaages....i just more of a lurker than a poster

So that means you know lot about bikes, In that case what is your suggestion for me with respect to this thread ?? Thanks!!

cs363

6th March 2012, 14:57

oh dear....

Funny....exactly the phrase I used when I blinged Katman for that last post. This could get interesting..... :corn:

yod

6th March 2012, 15:17

Something simple to start with.....

259361

yod

6th March 2012, 15:21

then move up to a real bike....

259362

skdeepak88

6th March 2012, 15:46

Something simple to start with.....

259361

then move up to a real bike....

259362

Do you have something called extra real bike ?? may be i should start with that!!! Coz these 2 feels like very weak to me!! Yod dude i expect more from you!! :D

cowboyz

6th March 2012, 16:09

Do you have something called extra real bike ?? may be i should start with that!!! Coz these 2 feels like very weak to me!! Yod dude i expect more from you!! :D

anyone expecting more out of Yod will be disappointed................

EJK

6th March 2012, 16:09

You and I are going to have fun.

Where do I subscribe?

skdeepak88

6th March 2012, 16:14

anyone expecting more out of Yod will be disappointed................

I dunno you guys much so may be i take this as an opportunity !! :)

Drew

6th March 2012, 16:37

I want this guy to go buy a thou, then go out and carve up some roosters on their favourite roads.

Be funny as fuck.

sinfull

6th March 2012, 16:42

Oh my goodness gracious me !!!

haydes55

6th March 2012, 18:13

Wow!! Racing 500 since 16 was awesome!! I dunno if you know about Indian roads. They are 20 times busier than NZ roads so when i say i got 7 years of exp in riding its on those heavy traffic roads.
I have ridden 250s (Karizma, Pulsar) and famous yamaha R15 for a while. That is the reason i don't want to get a 250 because i know how they feels. I have never been on the track with my bikes but have done lot of illegal street racing :cool:

Yea I know they are way busier, Was just wondering if you had much open road riding experience. Sounds like you are well practised and all the best :cool:
Go for a 600. Be safe!

SPman

6th March 2012, 18:54

New ZX14R - that's the ticket!

or maybe a CBR600......

merv

6th March 2012, 18:56

You and I are going to have fun.

You going to meet him one night and do a few illegal street races in your usual haunts :lol: that would be fun.

yod

6th March 2012, 19:02

anyone expecting more out of Yod will be disappointed................

all ready then? http://mediarhythm.net.nz/countdown/

davebullet

6th March 2012, 19:26

haydes55

6th March 2012, 19:48

If your experience is the pulsar 180 - that's about 17hp. Most modern 600+ machines put out about 130hp. That's a hell of a jump.

I'd recommend a bike like an SV650S / ER6F if you want a sports bike to get used to:
more power - 75hp is more than enough of a step up
more weight

Also - do you have a full (class 6) NZ motorcycle license?

A hornet250 / cbr250 is about 40hp and another option.

PS: Don't do illegal street racing. It will only be a matter of time (little time infact, especially on a new bike in a new country on unfamiliar roads and driving behaviours) before you crash (or worse).

Agreed, try a V-twin bike around the 600cc area. V-twins have a smoother power curve and more forgiving, plenty of torque.

Inline 4's like R6's have less power in the low revs, then hit higher revs they have a shitload of power, can cause wheelspin if you are in the wrong gear getting on the gas to early in a corner. V-twins are more useable and practical for road use. You won't have to keep revving the shit out of it. You can always sell it and buy a more sportier bike later on.

yod

6th March 2012, 19:54

whatever you do, don't take the blue pill...err...don't get the blue powerband.....

skdeepak88

6th March 2012, 21:37

If your experience is the pulsar 180 - that's about 17hp. Most modern 600+ machines put out about 130hp. That's a hell of a jump.

I'd recommend a bike like an SV650S / ER6F if you want a sports bike to get used to:
more power - 75hp is more than enough of a step up
more weight

Also - do you have a full (class 6) NZ motorcycle license?

A hornet250 / cbr250 is about 40hp and another option.

PS: Don't do illegal street racing. It will only be a matter of time (little time infact, especially on a new bike in a new country on unfamiliar roads and driving behaviours) before you crash (or worse).

Thanks for that advice.. The reason i didnt look for SV650S and like bikes is they lack in sporty look!! May be i am doing a wrong thing here.. But before i get one i would do a test ride, may be that helps..

I have ridden Ninja 250r which is about 40 bhp and i can handle that with ease so i need more power than that for sure :)

And regarding the licence now i am on restricted so i cant get anything more than 250 but i ll get a full licence in a week or so!!

skdeepak88

6th March 2012, 21:52

Agreed, try a V-twin bike around the 600cc area. V-twins have a smoother power curve and more forgiving, plenty of torque.

Inline 4's like R6's have less power in the low revs, then hit higher revs they have a shitload of power, can cause wheelspin if you are in the wrong gear getting on the gas to early in a corner. V-twins are more useable and practical for road use. You won't have to keep revving the shit out of it. You can always sell it and buy a more sportier bike later on.

Actually my mate got a V-twin (SV650S) i have ridden it and it feels good. There is nothing hard on that bike apart from the first time when i gave the throttle like how i give it to 250cc s or less ;) But i got used to it afterwards and i liked it!! When taking about Inline 4's, i understand that it has definitely more than double the power of V-twins..

So my options now are one of those V-twins or CBR600 (as they are the forgiving machines out there in 600 class sport..). Will take them for a test ride and decide..

Fast Eddie

6th March 2012, 21:56

don't fanny about. just get this and get on with it: http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/sports/auction-451933695.htm

Rehab

6th March 2012, 22:13

The reason i didnt look for SV650S and like bikes is they lack in sporty look!! May be i am doing a wrong thing here.. But before i get one i would do a test ride, may be that helps..

Why bother with a test ride? Wouldn't a photo tell you all you need to know? (and then you won't have to explain to the shop/owner why you're riding their bike without the appropriate licence)

newhere

6th March 2012, 23:15

Double Oh dear, Im gonna keep my eye on this... for s & g's. :whistle:

quickbuck

6th March 2012, 23:28

I have ridden Ninja 250r which is about 40 bhp and i can handle that with ease so i need more power than that for sure :)

Umm, sorry to burst your bubble....
If you think a Ninja 250R has 40 HP, then you will get a real fright when you jump on a 130HP 600.
Ninjas only have 28Hp. I know because I race one.

I recommend you start small, and move up. Learn to ride on our empty open roads properly.
The best way to do this is get a smaller bike, and learn how to ride that with professional instruction. There are plenty of courses out there for this... Just look in my signature block for a good one....

Once you have mastered your smaller bike, then and only then get a 600.
The reason is if you buy one before you are ready, you will always ride in fear of it and never learn how to ride properly.

There is plenty of time, don't rush it,
You spend a long time dead if you get it wrong.

cowboyz

7th March 2012, 03:14

all ready then? http://mediarhythm.net.nz/countdown/

Was that your countdown doesnt work under FF surposed to be ironic considering I just said not to expect too much?

zmlam

7th March 2012, 07:11

Just to add something into the India/NZ differences - cost of maintenance is generally much higher here than what is in Asia, so in case of servicing, fixes - just keep that in mind.

But best you also sit on some of those bikes you are eyeing. I had a few options after some research, but after taking some of them for a ride, how it feels, comfort (or lack of), weight, etc - changes from my impressions from just reading up about them.

Also if you're new to NZ, you may want to do some touring on it - so perhaps factor in how comfy the sportbike seats are for long distance.

onearmedbandit

7th March 2012, 08:31

Most modern 600+ machines put out about 130hp.

.

Umm, sorry to burst your bubble....
, then you will get a real fright when you jump on a 130HP 600.

Bwahahahahahha. Maybe in WSS they have 130hp. You guys need to get a grip on reality. My partners '08 600RR is a complete pussy cat to ride, linear power delivery (for a 600), happy to pootle around at any speed.

Edbear

7th March 2012, 11:10

Bwahahahahahha. Maybe in WSS they have 130hp. You guys need to get a grip on reality. My partners '08 600RR is a complete pussy cat to ride, linear power delivery (for a 600), happy to pootle around at any speed.

I got a mate in the US reckons his Gixxer thou is a real pussycat to ride, too... :whistle:

They tour two-up on it a lot. Even do track days two-up! :scratch:

onearmedbandit

7th March 2012, 11:26

I got a mate in the US reckons his Gixxer thou is a real pussycat to ride, too... :whistle:

They tour two-up on it a lot. Even do track days two-up! :scratch:

TBH, my thou is a pussy cat to ride as well. But it will bite hard if you get complacent. The 600 is a lot more of a pussy cat, and unlike the thou, you have to be 'on them' a lot more to make them bite. For example, the thou will highside you from 6000rpm. The 600 you'll need to be stringing out a lot more to get it to do the same.

Edbear

7th March 2012, 11:30

TBH, my thou is a pussy cat to ride as well. But it will bite hard if you get complacent. The 600 is a lot more of a pussy cat, and unlike the thou, you have to be 'on them' a lot more to make them bite. For example, the thou will highside you from 6000rpm. The 600 you'll need to be stringing out a lot more to get it to do the same.

I'll, ummm... bear that in mind... :wacko:

quickbuck

7th March 2012, 11:40

Bwahahahahahha. Maybe in WSS they have 130hp. You guys need to get a grip on reality. My partners '08 600RR is a complete pussy cat to ride, linear power delivery (for a 600), happy to pootle around at any speed.
OAB,
To be fair, it is a real pussy cat to somebody who knows what they are doing...
I may have been a little OTT re HP, as I was comparing my race bike to a 600 SS bike... Yes, forgot they are less than that in road trim... Okay, at least 100hp for any 600... Hell, they were making that 20 years ago.... and yes, it (92 CBR600) will bite your a$$ if you get it wrong.

cowboyz

7th March 2012, 12:52

I have a 04 zx10r and recently took a 05 zx636 for a ride. I found it kinda strange to have to really rev it out but once you got the thing singing it was great to ride. Both are easy to ride... both will bite you if your an idiot.. or maybe just think.. ill pin the throttle to nip past this car and all of a sudden everything is moving way faster than your brain. I dont see any problem going to a thou striaght away if the attitude is right.. the 'ive done illegal street racing' makes me think a 250 would be more suitable.

skdeepak88

7th March 2012, 13:33

I dont see any problem going to a thou striaght away if the attitude is right.. the 'ive done illegal street racing' makes me think a 250 would be more suitable.

When i said that statement, I forgot to mention that i never had a crash when i was doing that. The obvious, i am not gonna race it unless i feel good about it!! I think thats enough to clarify that i am not an idiot!! :)

skdeepak88

7th March 2012, 13:56

Some more info : "I am not a beginner" and as far as i keep the throttle in control the bike is not gonna bite me!! and i know how to do that!! All i wanted to know from this post is that which among the sporty is forgiving.. it turns out to be CBR600.. I think i got a fair idea about what is sporties all about!! Now i will read on nooks and corners, may be i will start another thread..

:2thumbsup Thanks for that guys.. Wow I am loving this Biker Forum..

baffa

7th March 2012, 14:01

Welcome, my currymunching friend.
Your experiences fighting traffic in India dont translate that well over here. High speed roads and twisty stretches, not to mention fast moving traffic are probably a little different to what happens in India.

However, I dont see any issue with anyone riding a 600 once they have some experience riding, they dont have a dangerously powerful low and mid range, so they are rather docile until you start putting the hammer down.

Oh and, thanks for the lols everyone :Playnice:

skdeepak88

7th March 2012, 14:12

Welcome, my currymunching friend.

I eat Indian food but dont mistake me for a punjabi!!! ;)

And yeh the traffic conditions are different back in India but we have open roads too, like how you guys have motorways.. Atleast you guys follow lanes while moving fast but thats not the case in India bro, they wanna move all over the road and also wanna take opposite lanes most of the times ;) Its fun and dangerous to ride on Indian roads.. But i have done and most of us have done like 140ks on those little bikes which is not made for speed.. I never had an accident so far (touch wood :)) and i dont wanna have one in future as well..

I think what ever we do, end of the day its all about sensible riding..

puddytat

7th March 2012, 14:35

259419

Dont get a Honda, they're gay.....

my recommendation would be an 04-05 YZF R6 S model...not as peaky as the later R6 & still got over a hundred hp.

skdeepak88

7th March 2012, 14:41

Dont get a Honda, they're gay.....

my recommendation would be an 04-05 YZF R6 S model...not as peaky as the later R6 & still got over a hundred hp.

You reckon the latest R6 are peaky ? But Yamaha_YZF-R6 Wiki (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yamaha_YZF-R6) says a different story.. Are you sure about what you are saying ?

jrandom

7th March 2012, 14:42

skdeepak88, why don't you just test-ride everything and buy what you like best?

skdeepak88

7th March 2012, 14:44

skdeepak88, why don't you just test-ride everything and buy what you like best?

Yes i could do that but its always good to get advice from experts.. I know little or nothing about superbikes so without knowing that how will I say x is better than y ?

nodrog

7th March 2012, 14:46

skdeepak88, why don't you just test-ride everything and buy what you like best?

Its much easier to buy what wikipedia says is best, afterall isnt that where people learn to ride as well?

puddytat

7th March 2012, 14:46

You reckon the latest R6 are peaky ? But Yamaha_YZF-R6 Wiki (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yamaha_YZF-R6) says a different story.. Are you sure about what you are saying ?

Well I have owned an o4 R6 S, but I havnt ridden a third gen 1 TBH, but my mate bruce with the grouse missus sez that they need to be revved higher to make them hussle eh au:rolleyes:

Plus (so Ive been told), the layout is a tad less radical than the 06 on, with more emphassis on road riding than the track orientation of the 06 & later..

Ender EnZed

7th March 2012, 14:49

I know little or nothing about superbikes so without knowing that how will I say x is better than y ?

The best one will be the one that you like riding the most.

skdeepak88

7th March 2012, 14:54

Well I have owned an o4 R6 S, but I havnt ridden a third gen 1 TBH, but my mate bruce with the grouse missus sez that they need to be revved higher to make them hussle eh au:rolleyes:

cool i know wat you mean!! :clap:

Maha

7th March 2012, 14:55

I thought you would spell your given name Dipak?....how are you at cricket?

skdeepak88

7th March 2012, 14:56

The best one will be the one that you like riding the most.

I will end up in doing tat anyways but now i got more points to look for when i do a test ride.. this wat i mean :)

skdeepak88

7th March 2012, 14:59

I thought you would spell your given name Dipak?....how are you at cricket?

I know you guys cant get Indian names rite!! Never mind :D I am not a great player but i will play cricket 2ce a week even now.. I can call myself as an intermediate !! and u ?

puddytat

7th March 2012, 14:59

Well I have owned an o4 R6 S, but I havnt ridden a third gen 1 TBH, but my mate bruce with the grouse missus sez that they need to be revved higher to make them hussle eh au:rolleyes:

Plus (so Ive been told), the layout is a tad less radical than the 06 on, with more emphassis on road riding than the track orientation of the 06 & later..

Just in case you didnt see the add on.

skdeepak88

7th March 2012, 15:03

Just in case you didnt see the add on.

I missed it really.. ummm.. okay i hear that!! thats useful then.. thanks for tat!!

Madness

7th March 2012, 18:59

Its much easier to buy what wikipedia says is best, afterall isnt that where people learn to ride as well?

Fark off! All the cool kids are downloading an App to learn to ride these days.

davebullet

9th March 2012, 19:40

Bwahahahahahha. Maybe in WSS they have 130hp. You guys need to get a grip on reality. My partners '08 600RR is a complete pussy cat to ride, linear power delivery (for a 600), happy to pootle around at any speed.

They do have 130hp at the crank. My mates R6 dyno'd 110hp at the rear wheel which would put it close to 130hp...

Anyway - an HP here or there doesn't matter too much. The guy is coming from a 17Hp 180cc machine. I would have thought a 70hp machine was a more reasonable next step. If you have experience, you can baby any size motorcycle. The problem is we don't know this guy and just to say you'll handle a 600 ss fine without knowing him might be dangerous

Marmoot

9th March 2012, 19:46

Wow I am loving this Biker Forum..

wtf?

nuts.........

Drew

9th March 2012, 19:55

They do have 130hp at the crank. My mates R6 dyno'd 110hp at the rear wheel which would put it close to 130hp...

Anyway - an HP here or there doesn't matter too much. The guy is coming from a 17Hp 180cc machine. I would have thought a 70hp machine was a more reasonable next step. If you have experience, you can baby any size motorcycle. The problem is we don't know this guy and just to say you'll handle a 600 ss fine without knowing him might be dangerous

Assuming the worst in people all the time, makes you look less than confident.

This guy might be well talented, level headed, and not a subject to his own ego. I'd rather assume that.

Ocean1

9th March 2012, 19:56

They do have 130hp at the crank. My mates R6 dyno'd 110hp at the rear wheel which would put it close to 130hp...

91.0 kW (122.0 hp) @ 14,500 rpm.

Apparently.

P'raps what oab was getting at was this: http://www.factorypro.com/dyno/true1.html

Not all horses are created equal...

Edit: but even the li'll ones can kill you.

onearmedbandit

9th March 2012, 22:11

They do have 130hp at the crank. My mates R6 dyno'd 110hp at the rear wheel which would put it close to 130hp...

Stock standard making high 90 to 100 true rear wheel hp. Crank hp doesn't matter (to me anyway), as it's rear wheel hp that actually counts.

See here...

91.0 kW (122.0 hp) @ 14,500 rpm.

Apparently.

P'raps what oab was getting at was this: http://www.factorypro.com/dyno/true1.html

Not all horses are created equal...

Edit: but even the li'll ones can kill you.

Exactly.

Anyway - an HP here or there doesn't matter too much. The guy is coming from a 17Hp 180cc machine. I would have thought a 70hp machine was a more reasonable next step. If you have experience, you can baby any size motorcycle. The problem is we don't know this guy and just to say you'll handle a 600 ss fine without knowing him might be dangerous

Assuming the worst in people all the time, makes you look less than confident.

This guy might be well talented, level headed, and not a subject to his own ego. I'd rather assume that.

Exactly. He hasn't come on here wanting an opinion on an R1 etc, but a 600 that is best suited to road riding. Nowhere does he ask which one wheelies the best, pulls the most girls or has the highest speed.

cowboyz

10th March 2012, 09:24

Nowhere does he ask which one wheelies the best, pulls the most girls or has the highest speed.

some people just dont know how to ask the right questions..

pritch

11th March 2012, 14:10

Drew

13th March 2012, 15:21

BIKE magazine says of the CBR600RR,
"The best balanced bike ever? Quite possibly. Even if you've never wanted a sportsbike, ride one - it's sublime."

And I sure as Hell would like to ride one, even if I did look like Humpty Dumpty.

Don't listen to bike reviews. I haven't read a bad review on any bike for ten years, but I've ridden some fuckin bad ones in that time.

CBR600RR, Balanced they say? How can that be when you have so much weight on your arms and you can look nearly straight down and see the headlight.

L2 GSXR 750. EVERYONE who rides it, says it's fuckin awesome in every way.

slowpoke

13th March 2012, 22:02

Don't listen to bike reviews. I haven't read a bad review on any bike for ten years, but I've ridden some fuckin bad ones in that time.

CBR600RR, Balanced they say? How can that be when you have so much weight on your arms and you can look nearly straight down and see the headlight.

L2 GSXR 750. EVERYONE who rides it, says it's fuckin awesome in every way.

Haha, you're gettin' old Drew! The Ulysses membership is in the post ol' fulla.......:Pokey:

Oh yeah, have you tried the pommy Performance Bikes? Not cheap but worth it if you're into real world performance bikes/mods and real world opinions. More IoM than MotoGp, which suits me just fine.

pritch

14th March 2012, 15:58

Don't listen to bike reviews. I haven't read a bad review on any bike for ten years, but I've ridden some fuckin bad ones in that time.

CBR600RR, Balanced they say? How can that be when you have so much weight on your arms and you can look nearly straight down and see the headlight.

L2 GSXR 750. EVERYONE who rides it, says it's fuckin awesome in every way.

BIKE will mention problems, one was to the effect "We didn't think anybody made bad bikes anymore but.....*
They went on to detail what they didn't like and then mentioned that none of the testers even wanted to ride it.

I don't think that's what they mean by "balanced". But I still want to ride one.

The GSXR 750 is great and has for some time been a choice of discerning riders :whistle:

* I'll leave out the manufacturer & model because I don't want to upset the poor unfortunate buggers that own one.

cowboyz

14th March 2012, 16:00

BIKE will mention problems, one was to the effect "We didn't think anybody made bad bikes anymore but.....*
They went on to detail what they didn't like and then mentioned that none of the testers even wanted to ride it.

* I'll leave out the manufacturer & model because I don't want to upset the poor unfortunate buggers that own one.

Why? the people who already own one already know! Let the rest of us in on it?!

pritch

14th March 2012, 19:22

Why? the people who already own one already know!

Maybe not, and I don't want to burst their bubble. Don't worry, you haven't got one:no:

Drew

16th March 2012, 11:05

Maybe not, and I don't want to burst their bubble. Don't worry, you haven't got one:no:
Umm, the '04 zx10 has a fantastic motor. Delivery is raw but manageable.

Brakes are strong.

Mid turn stability is up with the best.

Aaaaaaannnd then there's corner exit... Just a touch unpredictable with the swingarm being so short, and the bike trying to turn itself inside out as soon as you turn the throttle. Just ask Mr Bradford, (sugilite).

So, on the '05 they extended the swingarm to try and balance the thing. Result? A slow turning version of the same, that's twice as hard to wheelie. I think mostly due to rear linkage geometry not being suited to the swingarm length, (but that's a total guess).

Can't focus on the bad totally though. The ten is a very fun bike to ride, and for the most part comfortable over most distances. Aggressively styled and appealing to hoons the world over.

Madness

4th April 2012, 18:14

Hey, Deepak. You still alive? Time for an update I think.

haydes55

4th April 2012, 18:39

Hey, Deepak. You still alive? Time for an update I think.

:killingme

But seriously :Pokey:

skdeepak88

10th April 2012, 11:54

Hey, Deepak. You still alive? Time for an update I think.

Thanks for your concern bro!! Yes im alive!! Do i have to say tat :facepalm: Ok never mind!

Just an update: I did a trip to West Auckland upto Shelly Beach covering 160 ks up and down (the roads with twist and turns was awesome). Different experience though!! I enjoyed it.. It was a safe riding on one of my friend's 250cc.. This is my first long trip in NZ.. Feeling wow about it :)

haydes55

10th April 2012, 17:52

Thanks for your concern bro!! Yes im alive!! Do i have to say tat :facepalm: Ok never mind!

Just an update: I did a trip to West Auckland upto Shelly Beach covering 160 ks up and down (the roads with twist and turns was awesome). Different experience though!! I enjoyed it.. It was a safe riding on one of my friend's 250cc.. This is my first long trip in NZ.. Feeling wow about it :)

What was the bike you did that ride on?

Been on any test rides yet?

skdeepak88

10th April 2012, 19:47

What was the bike you did that ride on?

The bike was a old suzuki 250cc. I don't know the model or anything.. That wasn't a sport just a cruiser..

Been on any test rides yet?

Yes Suzuki SV650S, since it is S version i liked the seating position. The bike is a V-Twin so highly manageable. I found it very smooth even on the first ride on it. But i couldn't get hold of any of the inline 4s out there.

haydes55

10th April 2012, 20:01

The bike was a old suzuki 250cc. I don't know the model or anything.. That wasn't a sport just a cruiser..

Yes Suzuki SV650S, since it is S version i liked the seating position. The bike is a V-Twin so highly manageable. I found it very smooth even on the first ride on it. But i couldn't get hold of any of the inline 4s out there.

GN250 would be my guess.
SV650S would be ideal for getting into the big power game. Smooth is great for rolling on the power out of a corner. Do you really want any more power than that?

skdeepak88

10th April 2012, 20:07

GN250 would be my guess.

Yeh may be, i dunno.... :)

SV650S would be ideal for getting into the big power game. Smooth is great for rolling on the power out of a corner. Do you really want any more power than that?

I would be lying if i say, yes i need more power. I still didn't use the full out of it.. But the only thing bothers me is the look of it. It looks naked.. If there is huge difference between SV650 and inline 4s (600ccs) then i think i should reconsider my option. But ultimately SV650 has got more power on it, and i should agree that..

haydes55

10th April 2012, 20:19

I would be lying if i say, yes i need more power. I still didn't use the full out of it.. But the only thing bothers me is the look of it. It looks naked.. If there is huge difference between SV650 and inline 4s (600ccs) then i think i should reconsider my option. But ultimately SV650 has got more power on it, and i should agree that..

I've always said having fun and a good ride is more important than what it looks like, after all when you're riding, you don't look at your bike. (and if you're trying to pull chicks they generally just see a motorbike and most I know would have no idea between a ducati and a kawasaki). :laugh:

skdeepak88

10th April 2012, 20:25

(and if you're trying to pull chicks they generally just see a motorbike and most I know would have no idea between a ducati and a kawasaki). :laugh:

:rofl: But its not just about that.. I never thought of chicks while choosing my ride.. If it was tat i could get a r125 and change the graphics like r6 :D.. I want a beautiful ride that suits me and never let me down :)

Ender EnZed

10th April 2012, 20:58

I would be lying if i say, yes i need more power. I still didn't use the full out of it.. But the only thing bothers me is the look of it. It looks naked.

You can get lower fairing sections for the SV650. Some of them already have it.

Example. (http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/sports/auction-465477018.htm)

Deano

11th April 2012, 09:42

Yeh may be, i dunno.... :)

I would be lying if i say, yes i need more power. I still didn't use the full out of it.. But the only thing bothers me is the look of it. It looks naked.. If there is huge difference between SV650 and inline 4s (600ccs) then i think i should reconsider my option. But ultimately SV650 has got more power on it, and i should agree that..

there is a huge difference in power between an sv650 and an il4 600.

ducatilover

11th April 2012, 09:46

I like this thread.

Get a TL1000S, an early one with a standard rear shock. It'll keep you amused, trust me.

haydes55

12th April 2012, 17:40

I like this thread.

Get a TL1000S, an early one with a standard rear shock. It'll keep you amused, trust me.

Trying to kill the guy now?

Marmoot

12th April 2012, 18:29

I like this thread.

Get a TL1000S, an early one with a standard rear shock. It'll keep you amused, trust me.

Trying to kill the guy now?

ducatilover

12th April 2012, 18:29

Trying to kill the guy now?

:innocent: Me? No way mate

EJK

12th April 2012, 18:46

I like this thread.

Get a TL1000S, an early one with a standard rear shock. It'll keep you amused, trust me.

Trying to kill the guy now?

ducatilover

12th April 2012, 20:44

I think I can see a pattern forming here?

Nzpure

12th April 2012, 22:58

Busa.....or am i just biased now? Its superer then a superbike.

ducatilover

12th April 2012, 23:05

Busa.....or am i just biased now? Its superer then a superbike.

Hyperbike :Punk:

I still stand by my TL idea.

The Singing Chef

13th April 2012, 00:29

I like this thread.

Get a TL1000S, an early one with a standard rear shock. It'll keep you amused, trust me.

Trying to kill the guy now?

ducatilover

13th April 2012, 12:02

What about a Kwak 750 H1?

The Singing Chef

13th April 2012, 12:19

What about a Kwak 750 H1?

Trying to kill the guy now?

ducatilover

13th April 2012, 12:28

Guzzi V8 then?

haydes55

13th April 2012, 20:52

have a test ride on a vfr800 :cool: nice looking bike, sport tourer.

Drew

14th April 2012, 11:13

Trying to kill the guy now?

Trying to kill the guy now?

Trying to kill the guy now?

Trying to kill the guy now?I reckon those early TL's are fucken awesome, the rotary damper is no good for constant hot laps on the track, and could some times overheat on the road too, but it was never deadly.

Yes, I do get the joke you're all trying to make, but it's based on a sore point with me.

What about a Kwak 750 H1?I know where we can get two or three of them.

haydes55

14th April 2012, 11:22

How about Kawasaki 1500 H2 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V_2lqoobl6s&feature=related)?

ducatilover

14th April 2012, 15:16

I reckon those early TL's are fucken awesome, the rotary damper is no good for constant hot laps on the track, and could some times overheat on the road too, but it was never deadly.

Yes, I do get the joke you're all trying to make, but it's based on a sore point with me.

I know where we can get two or three of them.
I really want a TL1kS, my favourite Jap twin. No, I fucking need one.

I know where one real nice H1 is, I'll steal it eh?

How about Kawasaki 1500 H2 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V_2lqoobl6s&feature=related)?

Trying to kill the guy now?