Don't buy this.

[nonplussed]

This dodgy dealer is selling more crap he buys at turners salvage, and not telling the whole truth. He used to be cars on demand. (search it on here)

This bike has a broken frame under the headstock at the front, it's been crudely welded, I wouldn't touch it.

http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/sports/auction-453711271.htm

[tigertim20]

This dodgy dealer is selling more crap he buys at turners salvage, and not telling the whole truth. He used to be cars on demand. (search it on here)

This bike has a broken frame under the headstock at the front, it's been crudely welded, I wouldn't touch it.

http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/sports/auction-453711271.htm

all very well to give us a warning, but if you are going to state this as fact you should perhaps first state who you are, and how you know this to be fact, and how you know this is the bike you think it is - otherwise you are just some other anonymous dude bad mouthing someone on the internet.

[Crasherfromwayback]

His 100% positive feedback would mean lots of people disagree with you.

[Virago]

This dodgy dealer is selling more crap he buys at turners salvage, and not telling the whole truth. He used to be cars on demand. (search it on here)

This bike has a broken frame under the headstock at the front, it's been crudely welded, I wouldn't touch it.

http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/sports/auction-453711271.htm

Looking at your post history, it would seem that you're an obsessive stalker?

[SMOKEU]

"Runs and rides well, we have road tested it on the open highway up to 120 kph with no issues. Fast and heaps of fun "

[flyingcrocodile46]

Looking at your post history, it would seem that you're an obsessive stalker?

Maybe he took her for a bad ride? There is always a risk of disatisfaction where used bikes are concerned.

[pritch]

This bike has a broken frame under the headstock at the front, it's been crudely welded, I wouldn't touch it.



I thought cracked frames were standard on that model? :whistle:

[Crasherfromwayback]

I thought cracked frames were standard on that model? :whistle:

Only at the back where the damper mounts if the bolt/nut weren't redone under factory recall.

[GingerMidget]

I got curious. There are a lot o posts of a smilar nature from the OP, and very little evidence to back it up. Come on buddy, why the hate? Unless you have proof, I'd be very careful of what is said in a public forum. You never know who is watching.

[DrunkenMistake]

why the hate?

He rides a Harley..

[Billy]

His 100% positive feedback would mean lots of people disagree with you.

Yip,I'd agree with that,I bought a bike off him last year and thought he was good to deal with,Even opened up on the morning of a close relatives funeral so the transporter could pick it up for me,Top trader as far as Im concerned.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Yip,I'd agree with that,I bought a bike off him last year and thought he was good to deal with,Even opened up on the morning of a close relatives funeral so the transporter could pick it up for me,Top trader as far as Im concerned.

Maybe he ran away with the OP's brush.

[Hans]

IF this is the old Cars On Demand, then all the bad stuff you may hear is probably true. I have seen some of the bikes he bought from Turners and then saw what he was trying to pass them off as. IF this is the old Cars on demand, I'd run a thousand miles...

[tigertim20]

IF this is the old Cars On Demand, then all the bad stuff you may hear is probably true. I have seen some of the bikes he bought from Turners and then saw what he was trying to pass them off as. IF this is the old Cars on demand, I'd run a thousand miles...

the IF part is the problem.
looks to me like OP has a grudge and their word is worth about as much as my promise to the missus that I wont get any speeding tickets on my weekend rides . . .

[nzspokes]

Im waiting to see if my old Caldina pops up after being written off last week. :crazy:

[Milts]

IF this is the old Cars On Demand, then all the bad stuff you may hear is probably true. I have seen some of the bikes he bought from Turners and then saw what he was trying to pass them off as. IF this is the old Cars on demand, I'd run a thousand miles...

Not exactly difficult to check. See the attached images.

Cars on demand used have a lot of motorcycle listings. Now they have zero listings, but a recently created account with the same name, location, and similar style profile/listings sells exclusively motorcycles. What do you reckon the odds are that change happened around August 2011, which was probably about when all the threads on here started?

The way the auctions are run and presented seems pretty identical as well. However given the overwhelmingly positive feedback I'd say they've cleaned up their act at least a little, certainly in the motorcycle auctions anyway.

Not hard to do your own research guys :brick:

[TrentNz]

your always gonna find some wanker who complains about someone no matter how trustworthy/legit they are.

[ducatilover]

I like his stuff he's buying off eBay and selling for a massive mark up. ;)

[TrentNz]

I like his stuff he's buying off eBay and selling for a massive mark up. ;)

its called hustling
should try it some time ;)

[ducatilover]

its called hustling
should try it some time ;)
I plan to, buy the same crap and under cut him by 30% and I'd still pull a profit.

http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/parts-for-sale/lights/auction-453705364.htm

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Custom-Billet-Chrome-Headlight-for-Harley-Choppers-/110824923909?pt=Motorcycles_Parts_Accessories&hash=item19cdae2305&vxp=mtr#ht_4278wt_1063

:2thumbsup

[ellipsis]

...its mine and its a cool strong running thing and it sits in a lean-to, getting wet and cold...for a couple or more years now...you shouldn't even think about it any further...switch off now...it only has a dicky diaphragm on one carb and a reg/recs issue, and a clan tartan paint job...dont buy me ...

http://i888.photobucket.com/albums/ac85/motorcycle-mania/XLV750.jpg

[Wannabiker]

Maybe OP is the leading bidder??

[avgas]

...its mine and its a cool strong running thing and it sits in a lean-to, getting wet and cold...for a couple or more years now...you shouldn't even think about it any further...switch off now...it only has a dicky diaphragm on one carb and a reg/recs issue, and a clan tartan paint job...dont buy me ...
Does it have pillion pegs

[ellipsis]

...yes...and the original seat is kicking about ...

[hellokitty]

Im waiting to see if my old Caldina pops up after being written off last week. :crazy:

hahahahaha I wrote my ute off and it was beyond wrecked. Chassis seriously twisted. Imagine my horror (and acute jealousy) when I was hemmed in by traffic and saw it all fixed up, and cruising the opposite way down the road.


all very well to give us a warning, but if you are going to state this as fact you should perhaps first state who you are, and how you know this to be fact, and how you know this is the bike you think it is - otherwise you are just some other anonymous dude bad mouthing someone on the internet.

Yeah, you need to be careful - I had some dick giving me grief on an auction - his comments meant that I didn't sell a genuine bike (speedway bike - not the TL1000R listed at present). He raised so much doubt about something that had nothing to do with him.

[hellokitty]

...yes...and the original seat is kicking about ...

That paint job is so gross that it is awesome

It gets better each time I look at it

[ellipsis]

....gross is the relevant word when it comes to tartans and kilts...like the girl who told the jock that wearing no underpants with his kilt was gross..."put your hand in their ,lassie", he said "and it'll gross some more"...

[breakaway]

its called hustling
should try it some time ;)

Actually, that's called doing business.

[nzspokes]

hahahahaha I wrote my ute off and it was beyond wrecked. Chassis seriously twisted. Imagine my horror (and acute jealousy) when I was hemmed in by traffic and saw it all fixed up, and cruising the opposite way down the road.




I had given the car to my ex for the moving the kids about, It got caught in a flood and was floating in shit. And I mean real shit. Insurance co wrote it off.....

[Tigadee]

Wow, so if you describe it now as a POS, you really mean it!

[avgas]

...yes...and the original seat is kicking about ...
hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
http://www.chadhowsefitness.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/thinking_man.gif

[Drew]

I've come up with a solution.

I asked a question on the auction, and supplied a link to this thread for the vendor, and asking for a picture of the underside of the headstock.

Shall we wager, as to weather or not the picture will be posted? I've got a shiny dollar says it will.

[F5 Dave]

...its mine and its a cool strong running thing and it sits in a lean-to, getting wet and cold...for a couple or more years now...you shouldn't even think about it any further...switch off now...it only has a dicky diaphragm on one carb and a reg/recs issue, and a clan tartan paint job...dont buy me ...


That looks like a mate's old XLV750 albeit somewhat disguised. Just trying to remember if he did the pipes like that.

[Maha]

Maybe OP is the leading bidder??

You may be onto something..both the top bidder and the thread starter are from ....you guessed it...Franklin.

[nzspokes]

You may be onto something..both the top bidder and the thread starter are from ....you guessed it...Franklin.

Franklin is kinda a big place.....

[Zedder]

The whole thing sounds a bit suspectamundo.

[F5 Dave]

Hey what's all this standing up for people in absentia? Is this the KB way? Hell no! Also he might be a dealer.


Burn him, Burn him,:lol:

[ellipsis]

That looks like a mate's old XLV750 albeit somewhat disguised. Just trying to remember if he did the pipes like that.


...I stuck them on..the original ones did the big rust out...

[tigertim20]

I like his stuff he's buying off eBay and selling for a massive mark up. ;)


its called hustling
should try it some time ;)

Its called the NZ business model.

[Renegade]

well i for one have actually purchased an insurance write off motorcycle, to have it re-reged was a bit of a mission but worth it IMO.

Had to have it chassis checked at F1 engineering for straightness, had to have it checked and signed off at a bike shop for brakes, had to have the whole thing then signed off by a certified crash repair panel beater that it was all sweet.

once all that was done then it was all able to be re-regd through VTNZ.

Bit of a cost involved but it proved that it was sweet as, i sold it, but i was straight up about what had been done and had the paper work to prove it.

If this dude has done the same and can prove it then i dont see a problem.

[carburator]

Car's on demand, trading as northland Motorcycles.
GST 92-428-840
M 135024

Luke Tate..

I personally don't know luke, but i have purchased a bike from
NML and can say the description was fair.

On the day he was helpful and professional..

[nonplussed]

I've come up with a solution.

I asked a question on the auction, and supplied a link to this thread for the vendor, and asking for a picture of the underside of the headstock.

Shall we wager, as to weather or not the picture will be posted? I've got a shiny dollar says it will.

I see your question got removed, along with two others, and no photo...... Apologies from all doubters accepted in advance.
Don't shoot the messenger, If the buyer gets killed on it next week when the weld lets go, it won't be on my conscience...

[5150]

I see your question got removed, along with two others, and no photo...... Apologies from all doubters accepted in advance.
Don't shoot the messenger, If the buyer gets killed on it next week when the weld lets go, it won't be on my conscience...

Maybe you were the party that fixed the said bike and now you questioning your mechanical skills?:cool:

[Drew]

I see your question got removed, along with two others, and no photo...... Apologies from all doubters accepted in advance.
Don't shoot the messenger, If the buyer gets killed on it next week when the weld lets go, it won't be on my conscience...

You're not a messanger, your someone with a chip on their shoulder. No one will ever listen to you unless you can provide proof as to your claims, or the reason for your indignation.


Out.

[ducatilover]

I see your question got removed, along with two others, and no photo...... Apologies from all doubters accepted in advance.
Don't shoot the messenger, If the buyer gets killed on it next week when the weld lets go, it won't be on my conscience...
How do you know the weld will let go? If it has the original rear shock the buyer will die from that long before the weld.

[tigertim20]

I see your question got removed, along with two others, and no photo...... Apologies from all doubters accepted in advance.
Don't shoot the messenger, If the buyer gets killed on it next week when the weld lets go, it won't be on my conscience...

since you continue to run your mouth - let me ask, how about posting a scanned copy of your fucking 4711 or other relevant ticket, showing that your are at least knowledgeable on, if not an expert, in the field of welding as you seem so keen on suggesting you are.

You still didnt mention how you know of this alleged dodgy weld's existence - let alone how you know for a fact that it is unsafe.

put up of fuck off and take the chip on ya shoulder with you.

[ellipsis]

...the first serious weld I ever attempted was to the new peg I put on my XV750 flat-tracker...I had severe doubts for a lap or two then forgot about it...after five years of severe abuse the only thing that hadn't bent too bad was the peg I staked my life on...funny things those welds...it was a fucking UGLY weld...

[Spearfish]

since you continue to run your mouth - let me ask, how about posting a scanned copy of your fucking 4711 or other relevant ticket, showing that your are at least knowledgeable on, if not an expert, in the field of welding as you seem so keen on suggesting you are.

You still didnt mention how you know of this alleged dodgy weld's existence - let alone how you know for a fact that it is unsafe.

put up of fuck off and take the chip on ya shoulder with you.


Was it your weld ?

or

Was it a weld done by the same hand that did a weld on your gear and now your a little nervous?...

:lol:

[tigertim20]

...the first serious weld I ever attempted was to the new peg I put on my XV750 flat-tracker...I had severe doubts for a lap or two then forgot about it...after five years of severe abuse the only thing that hadn't bent too bad was the peg I staked my life on...funny things those welds...it was a fucking UGLY weld...

funnily enough, to get your 4711 for example, they take your test piece away, cut it in half an xray the cunt to check for a good weld - you simply cannot tell simply by looking at it.

On something like a headstock, you would need to do several parallel runs with a slight overlap, it would probably look like shit for sure - but by no means does that indicate a poor weld.

[avgas]

I see your question got removed, along with two others, and no photo...... Apologies from all doubters accepted in advance.
Don't shoot the messenger, If the buyer gets killed on it next week when the weld lets go, it won't be on my conscience...

Seeing as you bought it. Doesn't that mean that you get killed?
Or am I missing some magical line where you said who you were and explaining what exactly was wrong with the weld.

[mossy1200]

Welding is so 2011 .Get with the program.

[Spearfish]

funnily enough, to get your 4711 for example, they take your test piece away, cut it in half an xray the cunt to check for a good weld - you simply cannot tell simply by looking at it.

On something like a headstock, you would need to do several parallel runs with a slight overlap, it would probably look like shit for sure - but by no means does that indicate a poor weld.

How do you tell a genuinely good weld that doesn't look so good from a shit weld?

I'm guessing the only way to be sure is talk to the welder or can someone with a welding background tell how the weld was built up?


(I'm looking at a part thats been welded)

[Drew]

How do you tell a genuinely good weld that doesn't look so good from a shit weld?

I'm guessing the only way to be sure is talk to the welder or can someone with a welding background tell how the weld was built up?


(I'm looking at a part thats been welded)
You really can't. As someone said, to get your 4711 ticket they hacksaw a sample in half and x-ray it. To check penetration of the weld material into the original bits.

Welding aluminium is SOOOO fuckin hard to get pretty, but it is easier to see how well the weld material has penetrated. Basically, if the welds look porous they wont stick. They can be bubbly, wonky, humpty dumty, and nothing to worry about, but if they look like lava once it's dried it's weak.

[tigertim20]

How do you tell a genuinely good weld that doesn't look so good from a shit weld?

I'm guessing the only way to be sure is talk to the welder or can someone with a welding background tell how the weld was built up?


(I'm looking at a part thats been welded)
you cant.
You need to get it x-rayed. A more accurate gauge of how good the weld is, is seeing the welder's current certificate, and knowing that its been taken to a place with a good reputation.

The look of the weld is cosmetic - some welds will be left proud, and others can be ground down smooth and painted over so your wouldnt see it, depending on application etc etc.

[Spearfish]

You really can't. As someone said, to get your 4711 ticket they hacksaw a sample in half and x-ray it. To check penetration of the weld material into the original bits.

Welding aluminium is SOOOO fuckin hard to get pretty, but it is easier to see how well the weld material has penetrated. Basically, if the welds look porous they wont stick. They can be bubbly, wonky, humpty dumty, and nothing to worry about, but if they look like lava once it's dried it's weak.


you cant.
You need to get it x-rayed. A more accurate gauge of how good the weld is, is seeing the welder's current certificate, and knowing that its been taken to a place with a good reputation.

The look of the weld is cosmetic - some welds will be left proud, and others can be ground down smooth and painted over so your wouldnt see it, depending on application etc etc.


Thanks for the info.

I guess the more critical the weld quality has to be the deeper the investigation, lucky in my case it only has to hold oil in.

[Drew]

Thanks for the info.

I guess the more critical the weld quality has to be the deeper the investigation, lucky in my case it only has to hold oil in.

Oh dear. Because engine casings are cast, they are bloody hard to weld, couple that with the amount of oil that has leached into the material, and there is no strength in the weld at all, so if it's welded round a sump nut or a mounting bolt, it will crack and leak. Almost everytime I'm afraid.

Couple that with the amount of oil that has leached into the material,

[nzspokes]

Thanks for the info.

I guess the more critical the weld quality has to be the deeper the investigation, lucky in my case it only has to hold oil in.

If its a sump plug you cant just helicoil it?

Ignore me if that has already been suggested.

[Drew]

If its a sump plug you cant just helicoil it?

Ignore me if that has already been suggested.


It's pretty much the only way that works with sumps, for me reasons listed earlier. That's a fail on late GSX-R models though, as they break the whole threaded section out.

[sharp2183]

I don't know about this bike, but if it is the same guy that used to be Cars on Demand then I had a pretty big issue with him about 2 years ago. My old man crashed my ducati 748 and got serious spinal damage to show for it. The bike had $13,000 of assessed damage including:

Bent frame, bent subframe, broken fairing/headlight stay, smashed front fairing, dented tank, pegs broken fairings all scraped up etc. It was fucked. The frame was VISIBLY bent. i.e shit looked way out of wack.

This guy (if it is him) bought it from turners, then advertised it on trademe as 'needing only cosmetic work. Naturally I found it and wrote a question advising bidders to ensure they get it checked etc, but saying it was a good bike beforehand and offering reciepts. The guy blacklisted me and wouldn't answer my phone calls.

He sold it for $4500 to a guy in wellington who then priced everything that needed to be done ($6000 incl. second hand parts and his own labour). He was shocked, realised it was way too much work and sold it on (disclosing all info when he did.)

So in my experience this guy was willing to completely screw over the buyer to make some fast cash. On top of that, after he blacklisted me he modified the auction to say 'crashed due to inexperienced rider'. He had no idea who I was or who had been riding the bike. My dad had 30 years experience on bikes. So he was just trying to rub it in that I couldn't stop him from doing what he does.

So although I cant be sure it is the same guy, if it is then he sure as hell cant be trusted as far as I'm concerned. IF it is the same guy....

My two cents. Substantiated.

[Flip]

funnily enough, to get your 4711 for example, they take your test piece away, cut it in half an xray the cunt to check for a good weld - you simply cannot tell simply by looking at it.

On something like a headstock, you would need to do several parallel runs with a slight overlap, it would probably look like shit for sure - but by no means does that indicate a poor weld.

Why would you ever want to get anybody who has a NZS4711 ticket which is a structural steel welding qualification to weld an alumiminium casting is beyond me.

I have welded many new alumiminium fabrications onto old crank cases and have never had a problem. The guy I got to do my high strength welding worked for a company who made the aumiminium fuel road tankers, the stuff I did myself was not as tidy but I have never had any problems.

[tigertim20]

Why would you ever want to get anybody who has a NZS4711 ticket which is a structural steel welding qualification to weld an alumiminium casting is beyond me.

I have welded many new alumiminium fabrications onto old crank cases and have never had a problem. The guy I got to do my high strength welding worked for a company who made the aumiminium fuel road tankers, the stuff I did myself was not as tidy but I have never had any problems.

in my quote you have missed the part where I said ....
"4711 for example" for example being the operative words. Im not particularly familiar with the model of bike referred to, so cannot speak as to the materials being welded, my point related to the measure of a weld's qaulity as assessed by eyesight.

[nonplussed]

You really can't. As someone said, to get your 4711 ticket they hacksaw a sample in half and x-ray it. To check penetration of the weld material into the original bits.

Welding aluminium is SOOOO fuckin hard to get pretty, but it is easier to see how well the weld material has penetrated. Basically, if the welds look porous they wont stick. They can be bubbly, wonky, humpty dumty, and nothing to worry about, but if they look like lava once it's dried it's weak.

Oh fuck, haven't you heard the saying, "it's better to keep your mouth shut and for everyone to think you're an idiot, than to open your mouth and prove it"?

I have the benefit of an honours degree in engineering and being a qualified weld inspector, let alone having worked in a metalurgy lab in Oz. So I've been asked my opinion on a few welds..

If you think lumpy welds (bubbly, wonky, humpty dumpty, to quote you) are strong by looking at them and you are able to see how well they've penetrated a closed section, i'll just throw all my x-ray gear away and employ you!

4711?? Hacksaw and x-ray? What about tensiles? charpy? macro? root/face bend? haz hardness?

More to the point, why hasn't this trader not shown the area in dispute below the headstock and not just had the questions removed? Should a crashed bike with uninspected/uncertified welding done on a structural part of the frame not be disclosed on sale? Ignorance i can forgive, a blatant cover up is criminal negligence. All it needed was a photo to prove me a liar....

I know a guy that knows the guy that had this bike, he'd bought it and didn't know about the weld, I always said it looked terrible but it never broke, he never wheelied it though... hope the new guy isn't a wheelie king... or at least he can land softly....

[Drew]

Oh fuck, haven't you heard the saying, "it's better to keep your mouth shut and for everyone to think you're an idiot, than to open your mouth and prove it"?

I have the benefit of an honours degree in engineering and being a qualified weld inspector, let alone having worked in a metalurgy lab in Oz. So I've been asked my opinion on a few welds..

If you think lumpy welds (bubbly, wonky, humpty dumpty, to quote you) are strong by looking at them and you are able to see how well they've penetrated a closed section, i'll just throw all my x-ray gear away and employ you!

4711?? Hacksaw and x-ray? What about tensiles? charpy? macro? root/face bend? haz hardness?

More to the point, why hasn't this trader not shown the area in dispute below the headstock and not just had the questions removed? Should a crashed bike with uninspected/uncertified welding done on a structural part of the frame not be disclosed on sale? Ignorance i can forgive, a blatant cover up is criminal negligence. All it needed was a photo to prove me a liar....

I know a guy that knows the guy that had this bike, he'd bought it and didn't know about the weld, I always said it looked terrible but it never broke, he never wheelied it though... hope the new guy isn't a wheelie king... or at least he can land softly....

I was refering to the question someone else asked about something he was looking to buy. Who's the idiot?

You're pretty fuckin cagey about who you are exactly, why should we trust you any more than the seller?

If you're the expert who's opinion shouldn't be questioned, why have you not contacted the MTA about the matter?

All these questions lead me, to think you're a fuckwit with a chip on your shoulder.

[mossy1200]

Oh fuck, haven't you heard the saying, "it's better to keep your mouth shut and for everyone to think you're an idiot, than to open your mouth and prove it"?

I have the benefit of an honours degree in engineering and being a qualified weld inspector, let alone having worked in a metalurgy lab in Oz. So I've been asked my opinion on a few welds..

If you think lumpy welds (bubbly, wonky, humpty dumpty, to quote you) are strong by looking at them and you are able to see how well they've penetrated a closed section, i'll just throw all my x-ray gear away and employ you!

4711?? Hacksaw and x-ray? What about tensiles? charpy? macro? root/face bend? haz hardness?

More to the point, why hasn't this trader not shown the area in dispute below the headstock and not just had the questions removed? Should a crashed bike with uninspected/uncertified welding done on a structural part of the frame not be disclosed on sale? Ignorance i can forgive, a blatant cover up is criminal negligence. All it needed was a photo to prove me a liar....

I know a guy that knows the guy that had this bike, he'd bought it and didn't know about the weld, I always said it looked terrible but it never broke, he never wheelied it though... hope the new guy isn't a wheelie king... or at least he can land softly....

Maybe you should have reported the bike to the authorities and not to Kiwibiker.
All you did was touch a very small percentage of motorcyclists in New Zealand and MAYBE changed the sale value of the bike.Posting here was never going to prevent the sale of the bike or change its safety.

Result bike is still sold.

[flyingcrocodile46]

Maybe you should have reported the bike to the authorities and not to Kiwibiker.
All you did was touch a very small percentage of motorcyclists in New Zealand and MAYBE changed the sale value of the bike.Posting here was never going to prevent the sale of the bike or change its safety.

Result bike is still sold.

Exactly. If he was motivated by concerns over the buyers safety and had any real weight to his allegations he would or should have made them known to the relevant authority.

The fact that he has approached the issue the way he has and continues to conceal any credible motives for his actions, is strongly suggestive of the matter being more about a personal grievance, lovers spat or somesuch.

[ducatilover]

Someone who is supposedly very intelligent and rides a Harley?

Does not compute.

[Drew]

Maybe you should have reported the bike to the authorities and not to Kiwibiker.
All you did was touch a very small percentage of motorcyclists in New Zealand and MAYBE changed the sale value of the bike.Posting here was never going to prevent the sale of the bike or change its safety.

Result bike is still sold.


Exactly. If he was motivated by concerns over the buyers safety and had any real weight to his allegations he would or should have made them known to the relevant authority.

The fact that he has approached the issue the way he has and continues to conceal any credible motives for his actions, is strongly suggestive of the matter being more about a personal grievance, lovers spat or somesuch.


Someone who is supposedly very intelligent and rides a Harley?

Does not compute.Well, there ya go 'nonplussed'. If I'm not the only one that thinks you're full of shit, and we're using what the onlookers think as the gauge, it would appear that you're the idiot, no?

Fuck off and peddle your personal issues with likeminded fuckwits.

[tigertim20]

Well, there ya go 'nonplussed'. If I'm not the only one that thinks you're full of shit, and we're using what the onlookers think as the gauge, it would appear that you're the idiot, no?

Fuck off and peddle your personal issues with likeminded fuckwits.

lmao, tell us what ya really think!!

If nonplussed was legit, theyd have no problem putting their name behind their claims, since they are so highly qualified and all . . .

[FROSTY]

Hey guys just to throw fuel on the fire. Don't TL thou's have pretty darn uggly welding around the headstock as factory?

[fastoyz]

He is also selling a gpx250 with a BENT FRAME, i viewed this at the insurance company, front wheel near touching the lower fairing, paint flaked around steering head welds, but the forks are straight :innocent:

http://www.trademe.co.nz/Browse/Listing.aspx?id=455673599

if any1 isnt black listed ask why the wheels so close & for a pic of the steering head welds, if he doesnt get trademe to remove it will be interesting to see what he has to say

[Fast Eddie]

hes mentioned its an insurance write off on the auction, hes stated that it needs repairs and a repair cert etc etc.

give it a break

[fastoyz]

hes mentioned its an insurance write off on the auction, hes stated that it needs repairs and a repair cert etc etc.

give it a break

hes also mentioned theres a pin dent in the tank, but i guess thats more useful info than a bent frame?

[ducatilover]

hes also mentioned theres a pin dent in the tank, but i guess thats more useful info than a bent frame?
There's front rim damage mentioned.
If you think you're buying a bike with a munted front rim and no fork damage...well, you'd have to be a bit soft in the head.

[ellipsis]

have to be a bit soft in the head.


...prerequisite for being here isn't it...

[ducatilover]

...prerequisite for being here isn't it...
:shutup: I think you may be right.
I might lick some windows now :sunny:

[Kickaha]

If you think you're buying a bike with a munted front rim and no fork damage...well, you'd have to be a bit soft in the head.

I dunno about that, I bought a damaged R1 with frontal damage, rim was toast, headstock torn out but the forks were straight

[Squiggles]

That was once my bike (2007-2009, 15 thousand k's ago). Looks like the ohlins has been taken off, Hope it isnt the stock rotary pos that I removed back in there, that was well gone when I replaced it.
I gave it a small mark on the right but it has definitely been down again since then.

Pics when I had it:
http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=116486&d=1232243913

http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=116472&d=1232243543

http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=116476&d=1232243653

[ducatilover]

I dunno about that, I bought a damaged R1 with frontal damage, rim was toast, headstock torn out but the forks were straight
I suppose I'm thinking about stupid RWU forks and not USD's :facepalm:

I'll go back to my cave :pinch:

[nonplussed]

Well, there ya go 'nonplussed'. If I'm not the only one that thinks you're full of shit, and we're using what the onlookers think as the gauge, it would appear that you're the idiot, no?

Fuck off and peddle your personal issues with likeminded fuckwits.

You really are a fool aren't you?

I reported it to the MTA but they were pretty un-interested, buyer beware etc. so apart from walking around wearing a sandwich board warning of a bike with a potentially dangerous damaged frame being sold to some un-suspecting, there's not much else i can do. I mistakenly thought NZs biggest biking community would be interested..

I know i'd appreciate the heads up if i was looking at buying something over the internet.

I'm surprised kiwibikers are so ready to attack someone that supplies this info, rather than questioning a dealer that hasn't disclosed the bike has a potential fatal flaw, despite being told about it..

No skin off my nose, I'll leave you to your trolling.

[flyingcrocodile46]

You really are a fool aren't you?

I reported it to the MTA but they were pretty un-interested, buyer beware etc. so apart from walking around wearing a sandwich board warning of a bike with a potentially dangerous damaged frame being sold to some un-suspecting, there's not much else i can do. I mistakenly thought NZs biggest biking community would be interested..

I know i'd appreciate the heads up if i was looking at buying something over the internet.

I'm surprised kiwibikers are so ready to attack someone that supplies this info, rather than questioning a dealer that hasn't disclosed the bike has a potential fatal flaw, despite being told about it..

No skin off my nose, I'll leave you to your trolling.

Still no reason to believe you are anything more than a rejected ex just looking to cause damage to your ex's future. Nasty stuff:wacko:

[Millsie]

He is also selling a gpx250 with a BENT FRAME, i viewed this at the insurance company, front wheel near touching the lower fairing, paint flaked around steering head welds, but the forks are straight :innocent:

http://www.trademe.co.nz/Browse/Listing.aspx?id=455673599

if any1 isnt black listed ask why the wheels so close & for a pic of the steering head welds, if he doesnt get trademe to remove it will be interesting to see what he has to say

Sooo, I'm the idiot who bought the bike.
Is there anything I can do (or that someone could suggest) to do now?
How about frame repairs? - but I'm guessing that's impossible or far too costly.

Cheers

[Crasherfromwayback]

Sooo, I'm the idiot who bought the bike.
Is there anything I can do (or that someone could suggest) to do now?
How about frame repairs? - but I'm guessing that's impossible or far too costly.

Cheers

If the frame is indeed bent...get hold of Boyle Kawasaki ph 3846-824, they straighten frames, and it's not nearly as expensive as you'd think.

Tell them Pete from Wellington Motorcycles sent you.

[Millsie]

If the frame is indeed bent...get hold of Boyle Kawasaki ph 3846-824, they straighten frames, and it's not nearly as expensive as you'd think.

Tell them Pete from Wellington Motorcycles sent you.

MY SAVIOR! Thank you so much! I'll drop him a call and see what he can do.

[Drew]

You really are a fool aren't you?

I reported it to the MTA but they were pretty un-interested, buyer beware etc. so apart from walking around wearing a sandwich board warning of a bike with a potentially dangerous damaged frame being sold to some un-suspecting, there's not much else i can do. I mistakenly thought NZs biggest biking community would be interested..

I know i'd appreciate the heads up if i was looking at buying something over the internet.

I'm surprised kiwibikers are so ready to attack someone that supplies this info, rather than questioning a dealer that hasn't disclosed the bike has a potential fatal flaw, despite being told about it..

No skin off my nose, I'll leave you to your trolling.
You might be right about the bike being dodgy, but given that you didn't say anything about being an engineer in your opening post, or provided any proof that you inspected the bike, (anyone that did, would have whipped out a phone and taken a picture), it looks like sour grapes.

Some idea of social behavior goes a lot further than a dozen degrees will, when it comes to winning popular opinion on any forum. For instance, I have given no solid reason or evidence that you are holding a grudge, nor has anyone else. Yet this is more believable to the masses, than what you are saying.

[flyingcrocodile46]

Some idea of social behavior goes a lot further than a dozen degrees will, when it comes to winning popular opinion on any forum. For instance, I have given no solid reason or evidence that you are holding a grudge, nor has anyone else. Yet this is more believable to the masses, than what you are saying.

I wonder if he isn't a competitor who is peeved because they are bidding on the same accident damaged bikes, but the other dude is winning more because he's paying more.

[Drew]

I wonder if he isn't a competitor who is peeved because they are bidding on the same accident damaged bikes, but the other dude is winning more because he's paying more.Another more acceptable reason, than the one given by the thread starter because of his/her manner.

[fastoyz]

Sooo, I'm the idiot who bought the bike.
Is there anything I can do (or that someone could suggest) to do now?
How about frame repairs? - but I'm guessing that's impossible or far too costly.

Cheers

Your looking at about 3-$400 to get it straightened (what i usually get charged in auckland), if your lucky it wont need stripping down (some straightners will want bare frame though hope you can strip it down yourself or theres a lot more labour charge for that)
99% sure you will also need another headlight to get through the vin as the seller has put that chinese crap on it (will not be dot marked) as it didnt have a light at the insurance company when i viewed it. If you havent paid for it dont!

[Millsie]

Your looking at about 3-$400 to get it straightened (what i usually get charged in auckland), if your lucky it wont need stripping down (some straightners will want bare frame though hope you can strip it down yourself or theres a lot more labour charge for that)
99% sure you will also need another headlight to get through the vin as the seller has put that chinese crap on it (will not be dot marked) as it didnt have a light at the insurance company when i viewed it. If you havent paid for it dont!

But how can I get out of it?
Since I've won the auction what else can I do, aren't I legally required to make the sale? :\

Okay, if you were to estimate how much it would cost to get on the road...
Repairs + repairs + 700 (on road costs)?

Cheers again

[tigertim20]

You really are a fool aren't you?

.
no, you are. if you are as highly qualified as you claim to be, why not put your name and reputation up against the sellers? - or perhaps you arent sure enough to do that?
anyone can go right ahead and make claims behind the anonymity of a keyboard on the internet.

But how can I get out of it?
Since I've won the auction what else can I do, aren't I legally required to make the sale? :\

Okay, if you were to estimate how much it would cost to get on the road...
Repairs + repairs + 700 (on road costs)?

Cheers again

a cheap e marked headlight in a similar style to whats on it will not cost too much - look through ebay and trademe, youll probably find something.

as for not going through with the sale - you are legally obligated to follow through with the purchase, unless you can PROVE that the seller withheld information about it.

[flyingcrocodile46]

Sooo, I'm the idiot who bought the bike.
Is there anything I can do (or that someone could suggest) to do now?
How about frame repairs? - but I'm guessing that's impossible or far too costly.

Cheers


Eat it up like a man. In for a penny in for a pound. You have 137000 pennies invested now. Even if it ain't a great buy, you might be able to part it out and recover most of your money (assuming the frame is bent and it is too costly to repair that and other items).

[ducatilover]

But how can I get out of it?
Since I've won the auction what else can I do, aren't I legally required to make the sale? :\

Okay, if you were to estimate how much it would cost to get on the road...
Repairs + repairs + 700 (on road costs)?

Cheers again
Strip it yourself if you're worried about the money.
Bag/label everything and have an owners manual handy.

If you do go ahead with this and get stuck with anything put a thread up on here or send me an email (I'll send you my email shortly) I will help you out where I can.
There are a fair few chaps in the Wellington area who are very helpful and very knowledgeable so don't be afraid to ask.

[jasonu]

Tell them Pete from Wellington Motorcycles sent you.

Will that make it cheaper or more expensive???

[Crasherfromwayback]

Will that make it cheaper or more expensive???

Probably ten times the price!

[Drew]

Word from a source I do trust, is that the bike was fucked. The weld should be tested.

My bad for thinking the worst of the thread starter, and not wanting to think the worst of the seller.

Nonplussed, you still strike me as less than credible with the delivery you have chosen to bring this to our attention.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Word from a source I do trust, is that the bike was fucked. The weld should be tested.

My bad for thinking the worst of the thread starter, and not wanting to think the worst of the seller.

Nonplussed, you still strike me as less than credible with the delivery you have chosen to bring this to our attention.

The 'Claytons' apology.

[jasonu]

The 'Claytons' apology.

Do you think anyone here knows what you are talking about?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a3yvqHRA6r4

[Katman]

<img src="http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lf8gw7fUBz1qzsw38o1_500.jpg"/>

[Crasherfromwayback]

Do you think anyone here knows what you are talking about?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a3yvqHRA6r4

Only old cunts like me.

[yod]

<img src="http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lf8gw7fUBz1qzsw38o1_500.jpg"/>

You saw the post, ran to the kitchen, fried an egg, ran outside and snagged a passer-by and conned him into your house to take a photo of you with the afore-mentioned egg plastered to your face?

That's dedication :niceone:

[ellipsis]

...welded to his face...in all honesty it did just resemble another KB thread...and responded to accordingly...the weld bits were kinda un-enlighteningly, enlightening...

[Drew]

The 'Claytons' apology.If it was meant to be an apology, it would have sounded like one.

I make no apology for my comments, I only admit I took the wrong side of the fence on this one. Story of my life really.

[Padmei]

Word from a source I do trust, is that the bike was fucked. The weld should be tested.

My bad for thinking the worst of the thread starter, and not wanting to think the worst of the seller.

Nonplussed, you still strike me as less than credible with the delivery you have chosen to bring this to our attention.

I've reread this thread a few times (yes sad i know but there is no good movies on tonite). I think that if nonplussed did indeed give a more accurate description of their involvement with this bike & engineering knowledge then maybe instead of it turning into a shooting match, the real issue would have been addressed. That would be that bikes are being sold from this vendor (albeit at $1 reserves) with incomplete & sometimes inaccurate descriptions. That is fine if they're going to be wrecked for parts but to mislead someone that they are buying a bike that may have structural damage is not a good look.

Maybe the next time around some more information initially may save someone from buying a lemon.